[03:21] <nixternal> hiya jono
[03:21] <jono> hey :)
[03:21] <nixternal> how goes the traveling?
[03:21] <jono> not been bad, off to Germany tomorrow :)
[03:21] <nixternal> and Aaron told me in this latest interview with him, he said you were crying that Matt left..he said he hand to email you a tissue ;p
[03:22] <nixternal> s/hand/had
[03:25] <jono> nixternal: no such tears hehe
[03:26] <nixternal> hehe
[06:54] <nixternal> mdke: I was wondering if it would be at all possible for at least the Kubuntu docs to go back to a dual license or GFDL/GPL seeing KDE docs are that way and being CC-by-SA I can't pull information from them.
[07:04] <Admiral_Chicago> oh nose...licenses.
[07:20] <Admiral_Chicago> hey there jjesse
[07:29] <jjesse> hiya Admiral_Chicago
[07:50] <mdke> nixternal: do you actually need to pull information from them? Can't you just integrate the documents alongside the distro ones? That's what we do with the Gnome docs, which are also under another license. This jumping around with licenses is pretty worrying, tbh. It's difficult to accomodate every potential source
[08:17] <nixternal> mdke: sure we can do that, however I don't know about Yast, but utilizing KHelpCenter, if I link to the KDE documentation and a user clicks the link, it takes them away from the Kubuntu documentation for one
[08:18] <nixternal> if I can just take a snippet of the documentation from KDE and include it with Kubuntu documentation, then I don't have to do this, and the user doesn't lose their location within the Kubuntu documentation
[08:37] <mdke> nixternal: to be honest, I don't think that the user is likely to make a distinction between locations. There should be one location, with all documents integrated so that you don't have this problem
[08:38] <nixternal> how would you go about integrating them into one location?
[08:38] <nixternal> that sounds promising actually
[08:38] <jjesse> hiya nixternal
[08:38] <nixternal> hiya jjesse
[08:38] <jjesse> that does sound really cool
[08:39] <mdke> nixternal: aren't any kde docs already slotted into the existing system?
[08:39] <nixternal> they are in KHelpCenter yes, but they are not in Kubuntu docs due to the licensing now
[08:39] <mdke> how do you define "kubuntu docs" if not "everything in khelpcenter"
[08:39] <nixternal> I removed all of the stuff from KDE docs that were in the Desktop Guide when transferring over to the tbh layout
[08:40] <nixternal> kubuntu docs is just a small portion of the documentation within Kubuntu/KDE
[08:40] <nixternal> a very small portion actually
[08:40] <mdke> yes, of course
[08:40] <mdke> and all of that documentation is accessed through the same location, right?
[08:40] <nixternal> correct
[08:40] <mdke> or is it kept separate?
[08:41] <nixternal> it is all accessible via the front page of KHelpCenter in a TOC
[08:41] <mdke> ok. I'm finding it quite hard to understand what the problem is
[08:42] <nixternal> well if I link to a KDE document just so the user can read a small snippet to understand further what I am trying to say, it takes them away from the Kubuntu doc they are/were reading
[08:42] <nixternal> then when they are done reading a small snippet, then they have to relocate where they were previously
[08:42] <mdke> but they are still within the help center. That sounds like pretty standard behaviour, tbh
[08:42] <nixternal> annoying, yet not life threatening
[08:42] <jjesse> is there a "back button" that would bring them back to what they were reading/
[08:43] <nixternal> not in KHelpCenter for 3.5.x
[08:43] <mdke> take Ubuntu; at https://help.ubuntu.com/ you have the TOC. the third and fourth bullet points are primarily upstream docs. If the user clicks on one of them, then wants to see the TOC again, they have to go back, that's kinda normal
[08:43] <nixternal> either do I, I would love to just use Konqueror for help
[08:44] <nixternal> yes, but from a usability standpoint, they shouldn't be taken away from where they were originally..heck if a user could right click on a link and open it in a new tab would make me happy
[08:44] <nixternal> would be nice if there were more KHTML parts in KHelpCenter..that would curb a lot of things
[08:45] <mdke> sounds to me like you are simply missing a back and forward button
[08:45] <jjesse> but they don't neccasrily know they are leaving things,
[08:45] <mdke> opening links in the same window is standard practise for browsing
[08:45] <jjesse> i agree w/ mdke
[08:45] <nixternal> jjesse: correct
[08:45] <nixternal> mdke: you just gave me an idea with the back/forward buttons...that means more hacking in khelpcenter..yay ;)
[08:47] <mdke> :)
[08:51] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: did you see what we are doing over at xubuntu docs...
[08:51] <Admiral_Chicago> were you able to launch that python thing
[08:51] <Admiral_Chicago> err. what jim and i were thinking (not what we were doing)
[08:52] <nixternal> I haven't messed with it yet
[08:52] <nixternal> seems I have started a poop storm with khelpcenter and kde4 devs :)
[09:05] <Super_Cat_Frog_> hi - does anybody know where i can get an 'all in one page' version of the ubuntu official docs for feisty?
[09:12] <LaserJock> I don't think that exsits currently
[09:12] <LaserJock> *exists
[09:16] <mdke> we should ship
[09:16] <mdke> a tarball with everything, for offline browsing on windows
[09:17] <mdke> if we move everything to the wiki, we can look into providing something like that
[09:19] <LaserJock> yeah
[09:19] <LaserJock> if I had time I'd probably dedicate almost all of my doc team efforts into HTML and PDF forms
[09:20] <LaserJock> I'm usually either not in Ubuntu or not in the version I need to read about
[09:20] <LaserJock> I like the PDF/HTML versions
[09:20] <jjesse> i do too
[09:20] <LaserJock> not that the on-system documentation is less important
[09:21] <LaserJock> it's just with the TBH it's not as easy to get good online/PDF docs built
[10:27] <ryanakca> nixternal (or anybody else): since moin2docbook won't work, would you mind firing up gobby and "mentoring" me some day?
[10:28] <nixternal> ryanakca: sure...I am getting ready for a KDE meeting and then school...so possibly tomorrow, or maybe this weekend
[10:28] <ryanakca> nixternal: okies
[10:28] <ryanakca> thanks
[10:29] <nixternal> no prob