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| mojonixon | we'll I can duplicate it.... Looks like the install is complete but aptitude is zombied. | 07:32 |
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| mojonixon | If I kill it's parent process, the install completes w/o problems.... | 07:32 |
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| tepsipakki | mojonixon: I've seen that too | 08:26 |
| tepsipakki | but only on certain machines (which are identical to others) | 08:27 |
| tepsipakki | I haven't seen it with edgy/feisty | 08:27 |
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| mojonixon | I can duplicate the problem on a vmware machine on physical hardware under dapper. | 09:12 |
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| tepsipakki | mojonixon: what package makes it hang? | 09:23 |
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| cjwatson | evand: ok, there's a daily alternate build of gutsy up now | 03:29 |
| cjwatson | evand: kernel installation will break though - see the linux-meta upload I just did, which should unbreak that | 03:29 |
| evand | ok, thanks | 03:30 |
| cjwatson | oh, meh, udeb seeds are busted too | 03:30 |
| cjwatson | excuse me while I fix up a load of stuff | 03:30 |
| cjwatson | :-) | 03:30 |
| cjwatson | evand: do you have a seed checkout? (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement) | 03:30 |
| evand | haha | 03:31 |
| cjwatson | we need to update the Kernel-Version bits in the installer seed each time d-i is uploaded for a new kernel version | 03:31 |
| cjwatson | kernel ABI, rather | 03:31 |
| evand | negative, I'll take care of that now | 03:31 |
| cjwatson | you'll be able to write to it once you're in ubuntu-core-dev | 03:31 |
| evand | ok | 03:32 |
| cjwatson | ok, seeds are happy, linux-meta will take two publisher cycles | 03:39 |
| evand | cjwatson: link to the linux-meta upload? I'm having a hard time finding it. | 03:47 |
| cjwatson | evand: only just uploaded, so may not be visible yet | 03:49 |
| evand | ah, gotcha | 03:50 |
| cjwatson | evand: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/gutsy-changes/2007-May/002430.html | 03:50 |
| evand | thanks | 03:51 |
| evand | is the d-i daily build process documented anywhere? | 03:59 |
| evand | cjwatson: also, what was wrong with the udeb seeds? Sorry if I'm being overly inquisitive | 04:06 |
| cjwatson | evand: build process> the place to start there is probably by checking out http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/cdimage/mainline/ and also each of the pieces in configs/devel once you've checked that out | 04:08 |
| cjwatson | there's a README in there with some information, and then RTFS :) | 04:08 |
| cjwatson | inquisitive> you cannot be overly inquisitive ;-) | 04:08 |
| cjwatson | udeb seeds> the Kernel-Version was set to 2.6.20-15, so feisty's kernel udebs were still being pulled in | 04:08 |
| evand | wonderful | 04:08 |
| cjwatson | onto the CD | 04:08 |
| evand | oh ok, that's where I got confused | 04:09 |
| mojonixon | aptitude hangs (zombie) after installing all packages... | 04:10 |
| mojonixon | sorry that las message was a reply to one from about 7hrs ago... | 04:13 |
| tepsipakki | mojonixon: but the log should tell you which one it was installing (alt+F4) | 04:14 |
| mojonixon | actually the last package installed was openssh-server, but it is fully installed. | 04:15 |
| tepsipakki | ok, here it always hung when installing some package, and it was always the same package for that machine | 04:17 |
| cjwatson | yeah, it was right at the end of the process | 04:17 |
| cjwatson | somebody needs to strace it to figure out what's failing to reap it | 04:17 |
| cjwatson | probably strace -f -s 1024 the whole pkgsel process, dumping to a file on disk as it'll be a lot of output | 04:17 |
| tepsipakki | at least the counter fell behind every time | 04:17 |
| mojonixon | If I change the package list it still failes. | 04:17 |
| mojonixon | If you'll give me a clue as how to strace the pkgsel process, I'll do it and send the results. | 04:21 |
| mojonixon | I can get the machine back to that stage of the install fairly quickly... | 04:22 |
| cjwatson | one sec | 04:22 |
| cjwatson | mojonixon: so, you're going to have to be fairly quick, although not superman-speed | 04:28 |
| mojonixon | np.... I've got the command lines of the process tree leading up to the failure if that helps. | 04:28 |
| cjwatson | mojonixon: run through the install until the "Installing the base system" step starts | 04:29 |
| cjwatson | mojonixon: as soon as that starts, switch to tty2 and look through 'ps x' for the main-menu process, and get its process id | 04:29 |
| cjwatson | then 'strace -f -s 1024 -o /target/tmp/main-menu.trace -p PID' where PID is that process id | 04:29 |
| cjwatson | the next two things main-menu does after that point are apt-setup and pkgsel, so if you leave that running until the failure you should have an adequate trace | 04:30 |
| cjwatson | it is of course possible that it will go away under strace :-/ | 04:30 |
| mojonixon | ok... I'll add debconf/priority select low to the preseed and try it... | 04:31 |
| mojonixon | Of course it will go away under trace :) | 04:31 |
| cjwatson | no, please don't use expert mode | 04:33 |
| cjwatson | I'm not sure what other subtle things that might affect | 04:33 |
| mojonixon | the failure happens the same either way..... | 04:34 |
| cjwatson | ok | 04:34 |
| cjwatson | in that case that would give you a better window, yes | 04:34 |
| cjwatson | you could just start the strace right before selecting "Select and install software" | 04:34 |
| mojonixon | ok... | 04:36 |
| mojonixon | ok, I gotta zombie... | 04:43 |
| mojonixon | I also got a [tcb table full] message from strace. | 04:43 |
| mojonixon | ok, I got 2.9MB of trace, where do you want it? | 04:45 |
| mojonixon | you should be able to get the trace here.... http://www.vircio.com/main-menu.trace.bz2 | 04:48 |
| cjwatson | thanks, grabbing | 04:50 |
| mojonixon | please let me know what you're looking for so that I can follow along.... | 04:50 |
| cjwatson | that's odd, I don't think that's complete | 04:52 |
| cjwatson | there's no mention of aptitude in there | 04:52 |
| cjwatson | well, no non-trivial mention | 04:53 |
| mojonixon | ok, I can try it again.... | 04:54 |
| mojonixon | this is the command I used to generate the trace: | 04:56 |
| mojonixon | where 2051 is the pid of /usr/bin/main-menu | 04:56 |
| mojonixon | Actually aptitude is mentioned under process 2544 | 05:03 |
| cjwatson | yes, but not relevantly | 05:04 |
| cjwatson | I'm looking for an execve of aptitudde | 05:04 |
| cjwatson | aptitude | 05:04 |
| mojonixon | ko... | 05:04 |
| cjwatson | as in, the process actually running | 05:04 |
| cjwatson | the tcb thing is very weird, and possibly an strace bug, which is less than convenient | 05:05 |
| cjwatson | try -f -F ? | 05:05 |
| cjwatson | (without the ?) | 05:05 |
| mojonixon | ok... will do give me a sec. | 05:06 |
| mojonixon | of course it didn't fail this time.... I'll do it again.... | 05:14 |
| mojonixon | I got a 329MB trace file though :) | 05:19 |
| cjwatson | sounds better | 05:22 |
| cjwatson | but yeah, would need it to fail | 05:22 |
| mojonixon | of course | 05:23 |
| mojonixon | interesting.... did a snapshot of the machine at the "Select and install software point" | 05:35 |
| mojonixon | Then, I continued on without strace and the install hung. | 05:36 |
| mojonixon | Now, I'm running strace -F f and the install works.... dohh... | 05:36 |
| mojonixon | Then, I reverted the machine to the snapshot and tried again w/o strace and it hangs. | 05:39 |
| cjwatson | annoying | 05:41 |
| mojonixon | If I use strace -F (without -f) it hangs but of course the trace is useless. | 05:43 |
| mojonixon | ok any suggestions, I cannot get it to fail with strace -F -f | 05:55 |
| mojonixon | how do I install the strace udeb? I've got the following in my preseed.cfg but it doesn't work | 06:25 |
| mojonixon | d-i anna/choose_modules multiselect openssh-client-udeb, strace-udeb | 06:26 |
| blackskad | cjwatson: can I safely reject bug 68298 ? | 06:31 |
| blackskad | cjwatson: the initial reporter can't reproduce it anymore | 06:31 |
| blackskad | cjwatson: but bdmurray said you might be able to do something with the logs that are already attached | 06:31 |
| evand | cjwatson: any chance of getting another cd out today since linux-meta finished building? | 06:44 |
| cjwatson | mojonixon: you could run 'anna-install strace-udeb' on tty2 | 06:51 |
| cjwatson | it was in universe in dapper, though | 06:51 |
| cjwatson | what I always used to do was 'udpkg -i /cdrom/pool/main/s/strace/strace_*.deb' | 06:51 |
| cjwatson | (which is horrible, but works) | 06:51 |
| cjwatson | blackskad: yeah, it was really a kernel bug but we already got a slew of bugs crashing in zlib_inflate and I think we fixed that | 06:52 |
| cjwatson | it's probably dependent on CD read errors, hence the poor reproducibility | 06:53 |
| cjwatson | feel free to reject that one | 06:53 |
| blackskad | cjwatson: ok, thanks :) | 06:53 |
| cjwatson | evand: sure, one moment | 06:53 |
| evand | thanks | 06:53 |
| cjwatson | I was busy doing interviews | 06:53 |
| cjwatson | hmm, linux-meta doesn't seem to have been accepted on all architectures | 06:54 |
| mojonixon | got it... thx. | 06:54 |
| evand | whoops | 06:54 |
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| cjwatson | evand: never mind, my mistake, it's there | 06:56 |
| cjwatson | CDs building | 06:56 |
| evand | great | 06:56 |
| evand | hrm, what exactly is the standard procedure for translated strings conflicts in merges? | 07:09 |
| cjwatson | run in circles, scream and shout | 07:10 |
| cjwatson | the Ubuntu changes are typically Ubuntu branding of some sort | 07:10 |
| cjwatson | so s/Debian/Ubuntu/ - normally, I take the new Debian side and re-brand it | 07:10 |
| cjwatson | unfortunately some languages transliterate, decline, or otherwise mangle the word "Debian" | 07:11 |
| cjwatson | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributionDefaultsAndBranding records (down at the end) some of the lore I've picked up about this | 07:11 |
| evand | haha | 07:11 |
| evand | thanks | 07:12 |
| cjwatson | after a bzr merge conflict, .OTHER is the Debian side | 07:12 |
| cjwatson | if you use vim, I have some vim macros to help | 07:13 |
| cjwatson | map ,u RUbuntu<Esc> | 07:13 |
| cjwatson | map ,z :let savelast=@/<CR>j?^msgid<CR>:let @/=savelast<CR>O#, fuzzy<Esc> | 07:13 |
| cjwatson | ,u just replaces the next six characters with Ubuntu (a surprising time-saver), while ,z marks the current string as fuzzy in case you don't know how to deal with the branding (that's the case for a lot of Arabic and Indic languages) | 07:13 |
| evand | nice! | 07:14 |
| evand | any particular reason why you don't maintain (or haven't published) kbd-chooser in bzr? | 07:14 |
| cjwatson | it's obsoleted by console-setup, so I just haven't bothered to import it | 07:15 |
| cjwatson | I basically just ignore it :) | 07:15 |
| evand | heh | 07:16 |
| cjwatson | one of these days I will either do something with the merge or remove the package entirely, but it's not worth much attentioon | 07:17 |
| cjwatson | -o | 07:17 |
| cjwatson | evand: new alternate dailies built | 07:18 |
| evand | great! | 07:18 |
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| evand | heh, I probably should've read this first: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily/20070530.2/report.html | 08:13 |
| cjwatson | actually neither of those should be a serious problem | 09:20 |
| cjwatson | (also, cdimages.u.c is deprecated, cdimage. is preferred) | 09:20 |
| cjwatson | -amd64-generic is a transitional metapackage, and gnome-orca is optional | 09:20 |
| evand | ah, I'll remember that for future reference. It dies on gnome-orca. | 09:23 |
| evand | To clarify: gnome-orca depends on libgnome-speech3 but is not installable -> broken packages -> aptitude failed (100) | 09:27 |
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| cjwatson | evand: mm, odd that it's being installed unless you asked for accessibility though | 10:52 |
| evand | I don't believe I did | 10:55 |
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| evand | hrmm, it might be working this time around. Odd. | 11:04 |
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| evand | I stand corrected | 11:04 |
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| evand | same problem | 11:05 |
| cjwatson | clearly gnome-orca ought to be fixed either way | 11:05 |
| cjwatson | evand: does the newt interface seem unusually laggy to you? | 11:06 |
| cjwatson | I'm wondering whether it's just this vmware run | 11:06 |
| evand | no, quite quick actually | 11:06 |
| cjwatson | odd | 11:06 |
| cjwatson | it seems to lag in responding to keystrokes | 11:06 |
| cjwatson | relative to feisty, I mean | 11:06 |
| cjwatson | oh, gnome-orca is a recommends of desktop | 11:07 |
| cjwatson | my bad | 11:07 |
| evand | I blame vmware | 11:08 |
| evand | about the lag, not the dependencies | 11:08 |
| cjwatson | gnome-orca has weird hardcoded dependency lines | 11:09 |
| cjwatson | I'm going to run away from this and ask dholbach about it next time I see him | 11:10 |
| evand | haha, ok | 11:10 |
| evand | had a chance to look over that email? | 11:10 |
| cjwatson | evand: mailed you back now | 11:20 |
| evand | thanks! | 11:23 |
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