[12:15] so I need to look at python distutils, and work out how to get it all working with that first : then do the correct packaging... [12:15] yeah [12:15] OK this si good info [12:16] there are quite a few applications in ubuntu that you can download with 'apt-get source packagename' if you have source repositories enabled [12:16] It does work now as a package, even on LIVE CD's, but I can see why I need it distro unspeific [12:16] Ta Ill try that [12:16] you've got some very distro-specific stuff in there, like python-support directories [12:16] that should be all handled automatically by debian helper scripts [12:16] Yes I want to lose them [12:17] they do nothing atm anyway [12:17] There from the Package I was copying [12:17] it looks like you looked at a binary package, rather than the source === theCore [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:18] looking at the source package would probably have made your job much easier: ) [12:18] Yes I bet [12:18] I had to hand make the package : check my build.xml and build.sh :P [12:19] Some nightmares making the Hashes of all the files [12:19] I knew I was doing ot wrong === jamyskis_ [n=dlecount@dslb-084-061-001-000.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:20] OK thanks for all the Help, I have other commitments tonight, but ill be trying all this tomorrow : keep your eyes on the REVU for it ---- Steve === etank [n=etank@ubuntu/member/etank] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pochu [n=emilio@ubuntu/member/pochu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pochu [n=emilio@168.Red-83-57-161.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-014-103.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:36] LaserJock: you around? === pgquiles [n=pgquiles@62.43.226.52.static.user.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === AlinuxOS [n=vsichi@host122-198-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:43] gnight all [12:43] Hey, nigbt === marcin_ant [n=marcin@194.114.146.126] has joined #ubuntu-motu === concept10 [n=concept1@adsl-70-250-185-253.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:59] imbrandon: gnight, thanks, i got membership [12:59] LaserJock: same to you, thanks very much [12:59] ScottK: and you, thanks [12:59] pochu: thanks to you as well :D === _Enchained [n=cyrille@set25-1-88-166-169-102.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:01] <_Enchained> hi motus [01:01] <_Enchained> can anyone remove this package from revu : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5252 ? [01:02] <_Enchained> and review this one : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5323 :p === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:09] man it has been a long day === LaserJock points -motu to the Fridge :-) === Knightlust [n=Dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:18] hokay, lets see if the gutsy upgrade works today. === jekil [n=alessand@host158-58-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:22] joejaxx: youre day is TEENY compared to mine === ampache [n=charliej@72.24.69.50] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:23] jekil: keep your feisty kernel lol [01:23] grr [01:23] jmg: * [01:23] i am running gutsy with the feisty kernel [01:23] sacater: :P [01:24] joejaxx: but im trying to test to see if a bug is fixed in the gutsy kernel [01:24] joejaxx: i havnt slept for 38 hours [01:24] go me [01:24] sacater: that is nothing :P [01:25] joejaxx: go on... === joejaxx is a recovering insomniac [01:26] joejaxx: what is that, ive heard it but never actually looked it up [01:26] a chronis inability to sleep [01:27] s/chronis/chronic/ [01:27] ooh === mathiaz [n=mathiaz@dsl-151-121.aei.ca] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [01:27] I most definately don't have insomnia [01:27] I get 8-10 hrs of sleep [01:27] sacater: yeah it is not fun either [01:28] :( [01:28] otherwise I'm toast the whole day [01:28] its not hard to never sleep, provided you know what you are doing [01:28] well i get 9 hours more development time i guess you could say [01:28] heh [01:28] i mean, there is one guy who hasnt slept for a decade [01:29] his body takes second-cycle naps i assure you [01:30] about the only time I've gone more than 24hrs is silly trips to UDSs [01:30] there is no way he could stay up with no rest/sleep/hibernation/whateveryouwanttocallit for 10 years [01:30] LaserJock: you should see the picture of me on the first day haha [01:31] i look so bad [01:31] i never thought i looked that tired [01:31] heh [01:31] I arrived in Sevilla around noon on the first day of UES [01:32] so I went from the plane straight into BOFs [01:32] heh [01:32] oh wow === txwikinger [n=txwiking@sblug/member/txwikinger] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch arrived about midnight on the saturday, so managed to get a good nights sleep (comparatively) === fernando [i=c8b8a8e2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-462e141dca3017c3] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jml [n=jml@203-113-250-169-static.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:41] i can't wait til i'm in a position to fly around the world attending linux conferences and suchlike, at the moment i [01:41] 'm pretty bogged down === reggaemanu__ [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-33-181.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:09] ScottK, ping === Jucato [n=jucato@124.106.178.144] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RAOF [n=Chris_@matht464.maths.unsw.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === macd [n=d@cl-116.atl-01.us.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-195-12.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jwhitlark [n=jwhitlar@h-67-102-70-2.snfccasy.covad.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:02] can someone please review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5314 ? [03:05] ryanakca: did you package this one from scratch? [03:06] never mind [03:06] * Initial release :) [03:06] is it in Debian yet? === TLE [n=kenneth@217.74.211.126] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:08] and that answer would be no as well. since you got the hang of it for this package, why don't you create one for Debian Unstable and then file an ITP (once it has been OK'd of course)..and then you can just request a sync === nixternal just remembered you can't build packages on SLED 10.2 [03:09] forgot I was using a lab machine for a sec [03:09] <_Enchained> this package is waiting also for a review ;) http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5323 [03:09] <_Enchained> if anyone has a little time === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:39] superm1: Pong [03:40] Hi ScottK. I updated that package's debian/copyright. i wanted to see if I could get you to look it over again? [03:41] dabaR: sorry, was called away to a meeting. Any progress? [03:41] superm1: I have a little time I think. What's the link to the new version? [03:41] ScottK, http://revu.tauware.de./details.py?upid=5324 === ScottK looks [03:44] superm1: debian/copyright looks much better. Please wrap lines to be less than 80 characters. [03:45] ah me and my spoiled 1600x1200 laptop display :) [03:45] superm1: Why are you installing lgpl.txt in debian/docs? [03:45] because it was shipped with the package [03:45] just like a COPYING file would be installed [03:45] (and have the same contents) as what lgpl.txt had [03:47] But we already have a copy of lgpl in /usr/share/common-licenses/LGPL. I suppose that makes sense. Don't change it if no one else complains I guess (I'm a new MOTU, so I'm not yet all knowing). [03:50] well on my last package, it was indicated that a full copy of the GPL or LGPL or what not needs to be provided *with* the package [03:50] (have to distribute copies of whatever licenses under which the source, etc., is) [03:50] OK. Leave it then. === concept10 [n=concept1@adsl-70-250-185-253.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:50] hello ScottK .. [03:51] hello leonel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:01] ScottK: is there a wiki page with the clamav status ? === fbond [n=fab@pool-71-161-220-43.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:08] evening all [04:09] hi LaserJock === LaserJock points to Fridge, again [04:09] hello LaserJock [04:10] hi Hobbsee and ajmitch [04:12] shame I'll probably be busy or asleep for the Q&A sessions [04:12] 00:00UTC is 12:00 here, so it'll be just in my lunchtime when I head out [04:12] maybe at some point we could do an OpenDay [04:13] having Q&A sessions with MOTU School sessions [04:13] just send your questions to LaserJock; he'll answer them -and- send a pony! [04:13] yay ponies! [04:13] uggg [04:13] mmm...ponies [04:13] omg ponnies! [04:13] crimsun: you severly underestimate my knowledge :-) [04:14] you're right, I know you're part of the MOTU trinity, so I shouldn't doubt you. [04:14] blah :( [04:15] I can't even think [04:15] he answers questions before they are asked? [04:15] s/underestimate/overestimate/ [04:15] ;) [04:15] see, I can't be a deity with typos like that === jml_ [n=jml@121.44.221.16] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:17] although that is very deity like to correct your mistake with a regex, LaserJock [04:19] he's just testing us, anyhow. === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vorian [n=grrr@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jucato [n=jucato@124.106.178.144] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nxvl [n=nxvl@barovia.aureal.com.pe] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pleia2 [n=lyz@clockbot.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === racarr [n=robb@pool-71-163-244-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === torkel [i=torkel@matilda.hpc2n.umu.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nothlit [n=nothlit@fluxbuntu/developer/nothlit] has joined #ubuntu-motu === popey [n=alan@bishop.popey.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === AndrewB [n=andy@ubuntu/member/pdpc.student.AndrewB] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lutin [n=Lutin@ubuntu/member/lutin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blueyed [n=daniel@h170368.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === wolfeon [n=wolfeon@alpha.wolfeon.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asac [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === siretart [i=siretart@tauware.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === popey_ [n=alan@bishop.popey.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blueyed_ [n=daniel@h170368.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-195-12.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === effie_jayx [n=valles@190.37.175.48] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mdz [n=mdz@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === stgraber [n=stgraber@ubuntu/member/stgraber] has joined #ubuntu-motu === popey [n=alan@ubuntu/member/popey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blueyed [n=daniel@pdpc/supporter/active/blueyed] has joined #ubuntu-motu === elmargol [n=elmargol@host52-60.pool8248.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === [PUPPETS] Gonzo [n=gonzo@80.69.47.16] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asw [n=asw@karuna.med.harvard.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buxy [n=nnnnnnnn@arrakeen.ouaza.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === G0SUB [i=ghoseb@ubuntu/member/gosub] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _[PUPPETS] Gonzo [i=gonzo@80.69.47.16] has joined #ubuntu-motu === stgraber [n=stgraber@dakara.stgraber.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fbond [n=fab@pool-71-161-220-43.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === G0SUB [i=ghoseb@ubuntu/member/gosub] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fbond [n=fab@pool-71-161-220-43.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === aanderse [n=aaron@CPE0015e916db19-CM001225d7436c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:45] ScottK, that one line that was > 80 lines was shrunk and uploaded, if you did a build, could you leave some comments/advocating or not advocating on revu? === stgraber [n=stgraber@dakara.stgraber.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === [PUPPETS] Gonzo [i=gonzo@80.69.47.16] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-195-12.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mdz [n=mdz@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === elmargol [n=elmargol@host52-60.pool8248.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asw [n=asw@karuna.med.harvard.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buxy [n=nnnnnnnn@arrakeen.ouaza.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [i=zenrox@pool-71-115-195-12.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mdz [n=mdz@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asw [n=asw@karuna.med.harvard.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buxy [n=nnnnnnnn@arrakeen.ouaza.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === elmargol [n=elmargol@host52-60.pool8248.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1_ [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:18] superm1_: Probably not tonight. It's getting late and I'm not sure I know enough yet to advocate that package. I will try and take a look at it tomorrow and see. [05:18] great thanks ScottK i appreciate it === javierder [n=javier@41-108-235-201.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cypher1 [n=cypher1@c-68-83-184-230.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [05:32] any of you all see this? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas [05:33] of course ;-) === man-di [n=mkoch@dyndsl-080-228-197-066.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:34] oi oi MOTU land [05:34] LaserJock, could I bug you for a little for a revu? [05:34] not tonight sorry [05:35] LaserJock is special. Remember that not only is he a part of the MOTU trinity, he's the MOTU liaison to the LP dev team. [05:35] you can assume he knows about "it" already. [05:35] heh [05:35] Fujitsu usually knows twice as much as I do when it comes to LP [05:35] he knew about it before you pressed enter on that dput line === Fujitsu awakens. [05:35] but I've got my connections ;-) [05:36] he is telepathic [05:36] or is it psychopathic [05:36] the latter I'm sure [05:36] aren't we all though [05:36] siretart caught a good PPA bug today though [05:37] the main one? [05:37] That was a nice bug, yes. [05:37] haha, tonight my instructor fell for the Church of Emacs and St. Ignucious and how I am not allowed to use Microsoft software [05:37] holy smokes I about died [05:37] nixternal_: Hahah. [05:37] nixternal_: heh [05:37] I even gave her the link tot he Church of Emacs site [05:37] silly netsploits === rexbron [n=rexbron@142.179.60.195] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:38] darn, why has nixternal changed color in my irssi :/ === nixternal eyeballs a new package for both debian and ubuntu [05:38] how annoying [05:38] haha [05:38] I am colorpathic [05:38] you were orange [05:38] now you're blue [05:38] good, Kubuntu blue! [05:38] muhehe [05:39] hmm, that reminds me [05:39] I don't think I've really been in KDE since Feisty was released [05:39] LaserJock: remember Edgy? :p [05:39] he should remember edgy. That's when he was appointed to the trinity. === LaserJock bows [05:40] was he appointed or did he just automagically (either by the grace of a higher being or by...Linux for Humans!) [05:40] gah [05:40] hit enter to soon [05:40] I ruined that one [05:40] lol [05:42] ok, gimme a sec === [PUPPETS] Gonzo [i=gonzo@80.69.47.16] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:45] phew, back [05:45] now in KDE === Fujitsu files a PPA bug (latest uploads for a distro links to PPA uploads in the normal distro location) [05:46] awesome, my CPU is 0MHz [05:46] think of all the battery I'm saving [05:46] Heh. [05:46] I have no idea what you just said [05:46] Yes, it was very badly put. [05:47] actually there is a bug in ppa already === stgraber [n=stgraber@ubuntu/member/stgraber] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:47] Good night all. [05:47] https://launchpad.net/fedora/+ppas [05:47] example^ [05:47] night ScottK [05:47] this hit 'n' run "please help" business doesn't not compute. [05:47] 'night === jsmidt [n=jsmidt@128.187.145.163] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:48] The `Latest Uploads' part of a distro page show PPA uploads with the rest, and links to /ubuntu/gutsy/+source/package/release-that's-only-in-ppa, so being a 404. [05:48] Is Hobbsee around? [05:48] jsmidt: somewhat, yes. [05:48] Fujitsu: oops [05:48] TheMuso: ping [05:48] Hobbsee: You sent me a contentless ping. This is a contentless pong. Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I am around. [05:49] lol [05:49] Hobbsee: Heya. [05:49] Hobbsee, I was wondering, you rejected my bug which was fine saying it was a sync not a merge. But dont you requests syncs through bug reports too? [05:49] I am wondering what I did incorrectly [05:49] jsmidt: i did - you'll see a filed one later. i used the requestsync script [05:49] nothing - it's just easier to use a script to file the sync request, rather than letting you manually write one, and going back to ack that [05:50] Okay, should I use that script in the future? [05:51] you could - but if you do, change the code so it subscribes ubuntu-universe-sponsors, instead of ubuntu-archive, as you're not a MOTU [05:51] TheMuso: hi! [05:52] Hobbsee: How goes it? [05:52] Okay, thanks Hobbsee [05:52] TheMuso: assignmenst and such. i really should go into uni, but hte wifi there is dead [05:52] heh === theCore [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:54] jsmidt: no problem [05:54] jsmidt: i requested the sync of kile originally, and knew it didnt end up building - it's one of the packages we maintain inside debian, and just sync across [05:55] prior knowledge about a package helps - that happens for a fair few of the kde packages in ubuntu [05:55] Makes sense. === macd [n=d@cl-116.atl-01.us.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ampache [n=charliej@72.24.69.50] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-185-45.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:39] ok, I need some expert advice [06:39] I'm removing the gnuchess building from gcompris [06:40] is it best to comment out all building parts [06:41] LaserJock: You can go either way. Doing either of commenting it out or removing it will show it has changed. I find it's up to personal preference. [06:42] I tend to comment out unless I know it's just not going to be used again, and then I note as much in debian/changelog. [06:42] but yes, very much preference [06:42] but do I need to take out all references === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-014-103.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:43] s/need/should/ [06:43] "all references"? [06:43] across the source package? [06:43] i.e., what's the scope of your change? [06:44] I took everything out of the configure{,.in} and Makefile.{am,in} [06:44] gcompris has a chess game that uses gnuchess [06:45] I need to stop it from building that part [06:45] hmm, there's no --disable-gnuchess or --with-gnuchess=no ? [06:46] heh, you'd think so, but no [06:46] this package basically doesn't use configure flags like it should [06:46] it only has the generic flags [06:47] well, you can do as you've done (which may invoke an autoreconf [or its effects] due to timestamp skew - haven't looked at the actual source package) [06:47] doesn't ultimately matter, I suppose, since you'll have to regenerate configure regardless [06:47] blah [06:48] I'll just try to build it and see [06:48] that's kind of gross [06:48] worth an upstream wishlist bug report IMO [06:48] well, you'd think they'd do something [06:49] you can't install gnome-games and gcompris at the same time [06:50] oh geez [06:51] and so I gotta hack away at gcompris [06:51] since they don't provide any configure flags [06:52] why not provide a patch upstream to have a configure flag? [06:52] well, that would be nice [06:53] is there no configure.ac? [06:53] Hrm. I don't have any autobork foo to suggest how to do that. [06:54] crimsun: no === morphir [n=morphir@adsl-sna1-098.nett.nteb.no] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:00] blah blah blah [07:00] ok, I'm not current with the gnome-games situation [if there's any conflict at hand] [07:01] it seems Sid's source package generates an additional binary package that Gutsy's doesn't, but Gutsy has a newer source version. That's not relevant, is it? [07:01] gnome-games has a conflicts/replaces with gnuchess [07:01] so gnuchess was dumped to Universe [07:01] gcompris is in Main and deps on gnuchess, therefore FTBFS, boom [07:02] do you mean build-deps or deps? [07:02] build-deps [07:02] if it's only a deps, it certainly shouldn't FTBFS [07:02] ah [07:03] nasty. So gcompris can either dep on gnome-games and thus drag in the gnome stack, or... [07:04] ah, edubuntu-desktop already Recommends gnome-games [07:05] gcompris doesn't build with gnome-games [07:05] so without the configure hook, is gnuchess functionality still enabled in gcompris? [07:05] what physically is configure seeking (should be noted in config.log)? [07:06] LongPointyStick: [07:06] hmm. still exists [07:06] that's going to time out as soon as i go out, i'm s ure it is. [07:08] crimsun: gimme a sec, it's a 100MB source package [07:12] ok, I need an un[ ,well less-] biased opinion if anyone has time. Suppose that a user accuses the dist-upgrade process of muting a fairly standard mixer element that's visible in nearly all known audio configurations via KMix, the GNOME volume applet, etc., e.g., 'PCM'. User then says that the dist-upgrade broke his/her sound but doesn't check the mixer setting. Are you more inclined to think this is a PEBKAC or a failure in the dist [07:12] crimsun: here's the relevant section of the configure http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23215/ [07:13] crimsun: PEBKAC. Mixer settings can change arbitrarily, and users should really look there first. [07:13] crimsun: well, the dist shouldnt mute the sound midupgrade [07:13] It's fairly obvious to me that it's a PEBKAC, but I'm a bit too entrenched and thus biased, so I'm seeking opinions. [07:13] although basic troubleshooting is good [07:13] The upgrade shouldn't do it, but it's OK. [07:14] depends if you're aiming to "Just work" [07:14] right, I'm trying to establish whether "Just work" should -always- be the mantra. [07:14] well, I'd be annoyed [07:15] but I would probably check the mixer first before filing a bug [07:15] right, but should I presume that the user will? [07:15] should I presume, even, that the user -should-? === jellyfish2002 [n=Miranda@bb116-14-71-131.singnet.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:16] ideally it'd be nice to fix that kind of thing [07:16] but it'd be wishlist for me [07:17] crimsun: it looks like it's just finding the gnuchess binary, but I'm not sure [07:17] I'd like to avoid 1) treating the user as an idiot by assuming (s)he doesn't know what (s)he's doing and thereby proactively sanitising all mixer elements and levels on every boot; 2) not doing "enough" to have sound "Just work". === StevenK_ [n=stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:18] One problem is that I really don't know whether an app or a new kernel or the user himself/herself muted the mixer element(s) in question. [07:18] mhm === LongPoin1yStick [n=user@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:20] LaserJock: that's what it seems. I'd just kill that entire section and regenerate configure, then use a hard Depends on gnome-games. [07:20] now there's two...double trouble! [07:20] or does gnome-games not suffice even as a runtime dep? === Fujitsu steals one. [07:20] crimsun: I honestly have no idea === LongPointyStick stabs Fujitsu [07:20] i.e., meaning does gcompris -have- to use gnuchess? === Fujitsu retaliates with the recently-collided stick. [07:21] I was just going to kill the chess game from gcompris [07:21] but maybe I can s/gnuches/glchess/ [07:21] I think glchess is what's produced by gnome-games [07:21] LaserJock: careful, killing that could be a regression from 6.06 LTS ;-) [07:21] like I care [07:22] oops, was that out loud/ [07:22] ? [07:22] yes [07:22] I didn't see anything [07:22] hahaha === crimsun whistles === fraco [n=fraco@213.219.134.250.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:22] crimsun: whistle blowing is bad! [07:23] nixternal: it is? [07:23] why [07:23] bah, this stupid package is just so big [07:23] whistle blowing == snitching or telling on someone [07:24] 40MB just to install the .deb [07:24] damn [07:24] ***MEMORY-WARNING***: glchess[16911] : GSlice: g_thread_init() must be called before all other GLib functions; memory corruption due to late invocation of g_thread_init() has been detected; this program is likely to crash, leak or unexpectedly abort soon... [07:24] nice. [07:24] umm, where did that come from? [07:24] I invoked glchess from zsh [07:25] (gutsy) [07:25] hmm [07:25] sounds like a winner [07:25] note that gnome-games binary contains /usr/games/glchess and /usr/games/gnome-gnuchess [07:26] hmm [07:26] not being familiar w/ either, it looks like the latter is used by the former [07:26] I wonder if I should talk with gcompris upstream [07:27] this went from a simple sync to messy and not fun real quick [07:27] LaserJock: Fun, innit? [07:28] Doesn't Debian have the new gnome-games? [07:28] yep [07:28] Oh, demoted to universe. [07:28] that's where we got the packages I think [07:28] so people are going to hit this sooner or later [07:29] well, the first thing I'd establish is whether gcompris has a hard runtime dependency on gnuchess. If so, does build-depending on gnome-games and using /usr/games/gnome-gnuchess as $GNUCHESS suffice? [07:29] it just looks like Edubuntu is the first [07:29] crimsun: right, that makes sense [07:30] if you absolutely can't hack gcompris's build to use gnome-games, then I'd have a conf call with gcompris and gnome-games [07:30] err, not conf call, but ... you get the idea [07:30] heh [07:31] if, in fact, you -can- get gcompris to work with gnome-games, I'd just kill the crap in configure* anyhow. [07:31] You shouldn't have to build-dep on gnome-games. [07:32] I guess this will go in my core-dev resume :-) [07:32] definitely some gross, not shiny, crack [07:32] mmm....crack... === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C1A48C.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee crunches on people's bones in the background [07:33] mmm [07:33] hmm, it does look like it's just providing a wrapper around gnuchess [07:33] gnuchess_bin = g_build_filename( exec_prefix, "bin", "gnuchess", NULL); [07:34] eww. [07:34] you could hack that to use gnome-gnuchess from gnome-games [07:35] mhm [07:35] gnuchess_bin = g_build_filename( exec_prefix, "games", "gnome-gnuchess", NULL); [07:35] tehehe [07:37] I guess I could do the same with the ./configure [07:37] but I'm not sure why it's a build-dep [07:37] I guess maybe to get the path right? [07:38] it looks like bin/gnuchess is hardcoded, though [07:38] it's a pointless build-dep === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:41] alrighty, I've got to get to bed [07:41] 'night [07:41] but I think I know what I need to try/do [07:41] thanks crimsun [07:41] np [07:42] aiee, the evil badger song... === crevette [n=crevette@man06-2-88-167-44-76.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:47] crimsun: how did you go with that review of mnemosyne? [07:48] jussi01: haven't yet. [07:49] don't worry, it's queued. === jussio1 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-185-45.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:02] ok, I dont know if my last question got through, (connection sucks) but crimsun, how did you go with the review of mnemosyne yesterday? [08:03] [15:48] jussi01: haven't yet. [08:03] [15:49] don't worry, it's queued. [08:04] Hobbsee: crimsun thanks [08:04] :D === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu === popey_ is now known as popey === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C1A48C.access.telenet.be] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Ash-Fox [i=UNKNOWN@fgd182.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #Ubuntu-motu === superm1_ [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === davromaniak [n=cyril@AFontenayssB-152-1-14-17.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Admiral_Chicago_ [n=freddy@adsl-68-255-99-153.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === stijn_pol [n=stijn@d54C18E1E.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === stijn_pol [n=stijn@d54C18E1E.access.telenet.be] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-motu === anibal [n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Admiral_Chicago [n=freddy@ubuntu/member/admiral-chicago] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Admiral_Chicago_ [n=freddy@adsl-68-255-99-153.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Admiral_Chicago_ [n=freddy@adsl-68-255-99-153.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:57] crimsun: hah, I just did one s/gnuchess/gnome-gnuchess/ in the ./configure and it finds gnome-gnuchess and builds fine [08:57] LaserJock: Aren't you in bed? [08:58] Fujitsu: laptops ftw :) === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-30-65.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:01] highvoltage: exactly === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C1A48C.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:04] anybody running gutsy? [09:13] LaserJock: I am; for what do you wish? === Admiral_Chicago [n=freddy@adsl-68-255-99-153.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:16] Fujitsu, a million dollars, kthxbai === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vil [n=lada@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fredix [n=fredix@86.67.45.158] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bashelie1 [n=bashelie@gov91-1-82-234-91-6.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:25] darn it, he left [09:26] who? [09:26] Fujitsu [09:27] ah i found my way over to MOTU by some odd chance === Admiral_Chicago waves === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F7041D.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:35] good morning [09:36] hi dholbach [09:37] LaserJock: heya - great that the MOTU announcements made it to the fridge! your work, I suppose? [09:37] yeah, they just made me a Fridge editor [09:37] because of Behind MOTU [09:37] so I'm trying to liven things up a bit ;-) [09:37] ROCK ON [09:38] yeah, the hits to Behind MOTU tripled after putting that article on there [09:38] I was a bit surprised [09:38] rock and roll :) [09:38] so for sure putting stuff on Fridge is a good thing [09:39] if we get some sort of weekly or monthly report going I'd like to put that on the Fridge [09:40] I suggest we stick to UWN - keeping a report regular is not very easy if people on that team are busy with stuff already [09:41] yes, I remember our old MOTU Report [09:42] exactly [09:42] I tried it with the bughelper reports too and they were a good thing, I'm just to busy to keep them going === SWAT__ [n=SWAT@a80-100-68-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nrpil [n=nrpil@s5591f679.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:43] things are a tad easier I think now [09:43] reporting REVU uploads and SRUs on -motu provides some info [09:44] new MOTU, teams, etc. are good === SWAT [n=SWAT@ubuntu/member/swat] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:45] I think I'll do a call for wiki-ing more regularly [09:46] there's a lot we can do to improve the situation by writing things done - even if it's just a "hey, somebody should write a blurb on - I don't find useful information and explained it at least 4 times already" or "the guy I mentor had problems with ... - let's write something down" [09:48] for sure [09:49] Wikis are useful because it additionally means the person can figure out what todo when there isn't a 'mentor' === pgquiles [n=pgquiles@62.43.226.52.static.user.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:50] exactly [09:50] I'll also ask the people I mentor to write things down they found hard to do, which will give us more QA for mentoring === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-85-27-113-187.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vorian [n=grrr@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkibras1-ff55c300-121.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:17] LaserJock: yes, but if you already know that's all it needs -at run-time-, then just kill the build-dep [10:17] how do I check with which flags something in Ubuntu has been compiled with? for example, I'd like to check whether libsasl2 was compiled with "--with-ldap" [10:17] any tips? [10:18] highvoltage: apt-get source libsasl2; more foo/debian/rules [10:18] crimsun: ah, thanks! [10:18] (presuming you have the deb-src entry for main active) === highvoltage is putting it in as we speak [10:19] you can also inspect the diff.gz for debian/rules === nrpil [n=nrpil@a62-216-24-247.adsl.cistron.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i59F7275C.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === SWAT [n=SWAT@ubuntu/member/swat] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === morphir [n=morphir@adsl-sna1-098.nett.nteb.no] has joined #ubuntu-motu === stijn_pol [n=stijn@d54C18E1E.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === stijn_pol [n=stijn@d54C18E1E.access.telenet.be] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === morphir [n=morphir@adsl-sna1-098.nett.nteb.no] has joined #ubuntu-motu === BugMaN [n=BugMaN@151.100.133.15] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:38] is it possible to write comments on packages in REVU without being MOTU? [11:40] Sure, on your own uploads. [11:41] no, on some others package [11:41] Only if you're a reviewer. [11:42] but then you need to be a motu [11:43] at least according to the wiki [11:51] some people are reviewer without being motu [11:53] those people are extraspeshallike. === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:00] whooooo - lots of people signing up for ubuntu-motu-mentors === bersace [n=bersace@81.185.32.206] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:01]