| superm1 | well we can always target 7.10 instead | 12:29 |
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| superm1 | and just have several betas between | 12:29 |
| superm1 | i think this auto detection stuff would be really awesome to have in if possible | 12:29 |
| DaveMorris | I've not looked (doing it Thurs) however we will need a database of cobos for it to work | 12:29 |
| superm1 | cobos? | 12:29 |
| DaveMorris | combos | 12:30 |
| superm1 | oh right :) | 12:30 |
| superm1 | well this will be directly related to some udev work keescook is doing | 12:30 |
| superm1 | about card order and generic naming schemes | 12:30 |
| DaveMorris | and I was wondering if it would be betetr to preahps have a button on the completed install asking if they want to submit there setup, which we can use within the database | 12:30 |
| superm1 | this database may not be "necessary" for that exact reason ^(above) | 12:31 |
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| Daviey | still could have a feedback button that basically submits lspci or lshal - just to see what we are working with | 12:32 |
| Daviey | but not sure of it's merits tho | 12:32 |
| keescook | well, I'm not sure if I can actually detect specifically which type of myth device a /dev/video* devnode is, but I'm hoping to at least give unique names to the cards as they're detected | 12:32 |
| superm1 | well /dev/video* nodes are always analog tuners | 12:32 |
| superm1 | /dev/dvb nodes are always digital | 12:32 |
| superm1 | and the only ones that need special support are the pvr's, correct? | 12:33 |
| Daviey | my backend has a /dev/video1 | 12:33 |
| Daviey | not sure why... | 12:33 |
| superm1 | can the nova do analogue too? | 12:33 |
| Daviey | no | 12:33 |
| DaveMorris | mine are /dev/dvb | 12:34 |
| Daviey | /dev/video1 | 12:34 |
| Daviey | 0 and 2 | 12:34 |
| Daviey | odd | 12:34 |
| Daviey | although my nova's show up as /dev/dvb/* | 12:34 |
| superm1 | Well so for the purposes of these udev rules though,i guess rules for both analog and digtial necessary. For analog to have their own names would be the /dev/video* devices so as to not mix a pvr-xxb with a bttv card. for digital so that your order of cards doesnt get mixed if you say do QAM and OTA or have DVB-S and DVB-T | 12:36 |
| Daviey | So are we trying automate 'mythtv-setup' | 12:38 |
| superm1 | well investigate automation of it at least | 12:38 |
| Daviey | hmm... didn't really think about it | 12:38 |
| superm1 | mythdora and knoppmyth have some level of automation - which DaveMorris and bendailey are looking into | 12:38 |
| Daviey | I didn't realise that | 12:38 |
| superm1 | keescook, perhaps you were thinking about udev rule naming schemes. can you query the PCI ids and the PCI database that lspci uses? | 12:38 |
| Daviey | Haven't tried knoppmyth in well over a year | 12:39 |
| superm1 | and perhaps just a generic /dev/v4l/vendor-model-# ? | 12:39 |
| superm1 | or perhaps get that same info from /sysfs | 12:39 |
| keescook | superm1: oooh, I can! I need to write a small utility to do produce the right output. that's a _great_ idea! | 12:39 |
| Daviey | How can you find the relationship between lspic output and /dev/location | 12:40 |
| keescook | I was going to use the v4l "name" that a v4l driver sets, but maybe pci would be better | 12:40 |
| keescook | the details are already in the udev environment for a given node. | 12:40 |
| superm1 | well perhaps then you can take it this step further, and put symlinks in say /dev/v4l to all the devices as they are created | 12:40 |
| superm1 | and make sure myth *only* uses /dev/v4l and /dev/dvb/something | 12:40 |
| superm1 | for populating its lists in mythtv-setup | 12:41 |
| keescook | e.g. sudo udevinfo -a -p $(udevinfo -q path -n /dev/video0) | 12:41 |
| keescook | ATTRS{subsystem_device}=="0x3000" | 12:41 |
| keescook | ATTRS{subsystem_vendor}=="0x7063" | 12:41 |
| superm1 | that works??? | 12:41 |
| superm1 | wow | 12:41 |
| superm1 | yea just mapping that over to the PCI database would work wonderfully then | 12:41 |
| keescook | yeah, this is what I was looking at: | 12:41 |
| keescook | ATTR{name}=="cx88_0_ video _pcHDTV HD3000 HD" | 12:41 |
| keescook | vs | 12:41 |
| keescook | ATTR{name}=="ivtv0 encoder MPEG" | 12:41 |
| keescook | the 2nd ivtv would be "ivtv1 encoder MPEG" and the 2nd cx88 would be cx88_1_ .... | 12:42 |
| superm1 | and then have a fallback to that hex word if no info is avail in PCI database? | 12:42 |
| Daviey | keescook: worth noting that when i run that on my dvb/nova box - it shows them up | 12:42 |
| Daviey | so for some reason /dev/video0 IS also /dev/dvb | 12:42 |
| Daviey | don't think it's a symlink tho | 12:42 |
| keescook | Daviey: can you pastebin the output of the udevinfo for the device? | 12:43 |
| Daviey | sure | 12:43 |
| Daviey | http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org/253 | 12:44 |
| keescook | very cool, so that's the cx88 too. sweet. | 12:44 |
| Daviey | :) | 12:45 |
| keescook | though it seems the "name" is cut short like my pcHDTV card too | 12:45 |
| Daviey | I would have thought that: sudo udevinfo -a -p $(udevinfo -q path -n /dev/dvb/adapter0) would work - but it doesn't | 12:45 |
| keescook | [ 50.241584] CORE cx88[0] : subsystem: 7063:3000, board: pcHDTV HD3000 HDTV [card=22,autodetected] | 12:45 |
| keescook | vs "pcHDTV HD3000 HD" | 12:45 |
| keescook | Daviey: I think subdirs are specifically reserved for symlinks, and for -n you need the "real" node or something? I'm still learning my way around udev | 12:46 |
| keescook | Daviey: what does your dmesg say dmesg | grep Nova ? | 12:46 |
| Daviey | heh - i made my first udev rule last week. That's the only experience i have with it | 12:46 |
| Daviey | returns nothing | 12:47 |
| superm1 | dmesg | grep cx88 | 12:47 |
| superm1 | perhaps? | 12:47 |
| keescook | oh. dmesg | grep board: ? yeah, or cx88? | 12:47 |
| Daviey | yep | 12:47 |
| Daviey | pastebin? | 12:47 |
| keescook | sure | 12:47 |
| Daviey | hmm 2000 lines | 12:48 |
| Daviey | http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org/254 | 12:49 |
| DaveMorris | I think I have the same cards as Daviey | 12:49 |
| keescook | oooh. | 12:49 |
| Daviey | disclaimer - it is an edgy box | 12:49 |
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| keescook | Daviey: I think it scrolled off, try sudo grep Nova /var/log/kern.log | tail -1 | 12:49 |
| DaveMorris | actually its edgy, 2.6.17 | 12:50 |
| superm1 | tail -1? | 12:50 |
| superm1 | what does -1 do? | 12:50 |
| DaveMorris | 1 line | 12:50 |
| keescook | last line. I should really get in the habit of tail -n 1 | 12:50 |
| Daviey | keescook: that was > to file then copied. Crappy pastebin cut it off | 12:50 |
| keescook | Daviey: no, i mean I think the cx88 init string I'm looking for has scrolled out of the kernel dmesg buffer. | 12:51 |
| keescook | anyway, I gotta run. cya guys later | 12:51 |
| superm1 | cya keescook | 12:51 |
| Daviey | $ sudo grep cx88 /var/log/kern.log | tail -n 1 | 12:51 |
| Daviey | May 29 23:30:25 server kernel: [18402464.800000] cx88[0] /2: cx8802_restart_queue: queue is empty | 12:51 |
| Daviey | see ya keescook | 12:51 |
| keescook | Daviey: grep for Nova instead of cx88? | 12:51 |
| Daviey | blank | 12:51 |
| keescook | what's your uptime? | 12:52 |
| Daviey | 14 days :( | 12:52 |
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| keescook | okay, last try: (sudo zcat /var/log/kern*gz; sudo cat /var/log/kern.log.0) | grep Nova | tail -1 ? | 12:53 |
| keescook | (based on your cx88 output, I bet your logs are _huge_) | 12:53 |
| superm1 | DaveMorris, I was thinking more about this, depending on how this auto configure script is implemented, it can maybe even be put into the regular packages. I can see a lot of it possibly moved to debconf and then probing these new directories that are created by symlinks for udev stuff. Then if someone adds a new card, dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-backend catching it | 12:53 |
| Daviey | yep | 12:53 |
| Daviey | keescook: do you want it? | 12:53 |
| keescook | Daviey: nah, I just want to see the Nova line if you get it. | 12:54 |
| keescook | I'm just curious if v4l is cutting off your board's name like it's doing for me | 12:54 |
| Daviey | May 15 19:48:16 server kernel: [17179592.448000] input: cx88 IR (Hauppauge Nova-T DVB-T as /class/input/input2 | 12:54 |
| Daviey | That's the ir module tho | 12:55 |
| keescook | hm, (sudo zcat /var/log/kern*gz; sudo cat /var/log/kern.log.0) | grep CORE | grep Nova | tail -1 ? | 12:55 |
| superm1 | perhaps that same above command without the tail and pipe | 12:55 |
| keescook | superm1: yeah, that too | 12:55 |
| Daviey | May 15 19:48:16 server kernel: [17179592.236000] CORE cx88[1] : subsystem: 0070:9002, board: Hauppauge Nova-T DVB-T [card=18,autodetected] | 12:56 |
| DaveMorris | http://www.pastebin.ca/520457 | 12:56 |
| keescook | cool | 12:56 |
| keescook | yeah, yours gets cut off too. I'd love to get the _whole_ name into the udev symlink. okay, I'm gone. thanks for hunting that up. | 12:57 |
| Daviey | np - ttfn | 12:57 |
| gardenhermit | hey there | 12:57 |
| gardenhermit | superm1: you therE? | 12:57 |
| DaveMorris | hi | 12:57 |
| superm1 | Hi gardenhermit | 12:57 |
| gardenhermit | superm1: i managed to check out that mythbuntu branch but there was no mythweather patch. i' | 12:58 |
| gardenhermit | s/i'// | 12:58 |
| superm1 | the mythweather patch is on the mythtv branch. I've got the packages built for it for feisty though on my repo space | 12:59 |
| superm1 | at www.mythbuntu.org/~supermario/personal | 12:59 |
| gardenhermit | ah | 12:59 |
| gardenhermit | i'll extract $stuff from your .diff.gz then | 12:59 |
| gardenhermit | got to go bed now.. sorry for missing the CC meeting, i thought it was next week :( | 12:59 |
| superm1 | wait gardenhermit are you gardengnome? | 12:59 |
| superm1 | i'm confused... | 01:00 |
| superm1 | :) | 01:00 |
| gardenhermit | yes | 01:01 |
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| gardengnome | :) | 01:01 |
| gardengnome | ornamental hermits are fun. | 01:01 |
| gardengnome | i've got to go to bed now | 01:01 |
| DaveMorris | I'm off as well | 01:01 |
| DaveMorris | night all | 01:01 |
| superm1 | night guys | 01:02 |
| DaveMorris | when we release we should ask popey for screencasts of installing/using mythbuntu | 01:02 |
| DaveMorris | http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/07/05/29/2244233.shtml | 01:02 |
| Daviey | I'm going to be aswell | 01:03 |
| Daviey | night all | 01:03 |
| DaveMorris | and that article tells me mythdora dosen't automate MythTV setup | 01:05 |
| superm1 | still to determine knoppmyth though | 01:05 |
| superm1 | :) | 01:05 |
| DaveMorris | yep | 01:05 |
| DaveMorris | night | 01:05 |
| superm1 | night | 01:05 |
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| defendguin | superm1: you got a sec? | 04:59 |
| defendguin | or would anyone know how to determine the password that ubuntu creates for the mythtv user account | 05:02 |
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| defendguin | hey mario | 05:09 |
| superm1_ | hey | 05:09 |
| defendguin | how can i tell what the password is for the mythtv user account that fedora creates? | 05:10 |
| defendguin | that ubuntu creates | 05:10 |
| superm1_ | well for the account, it doesnt create a known password | 05:11 |
| superm1_ | its intended to be random | 05:11 |
| defendguin | lol | 05:11 |
| defendguin | how do i ssh into the box as mythtv user? | 05:11 |
| superm1_ | so that you only use the mythtv account for running the BE | 05:11 |
| superm1_ | or for auto login to the FE | 05:11 |
| superm1_ | you ssh in as the normal user | 05:12 |
| defendguin | well i need to manually run the mythfilldb command | 05:12 |
| defendguin | don't i need to be the mythtv user for that? | 05:12 |
| superm1_ | Nope | 05:13 |
| superm1_ | just in the mythtv group | 05:13 |
| defendguin | hmmm | 05:13 |
| defendguin | usermod -g mythtv myusername | 05:15 |
| defendguin | G | 05:15 |
| superm1_ | arent you on feisty packages/ | 05:15 |
| defendguin | yeah | 05:15 |
| superm1_ | then after you run mythtv-setup | 05:16 |
| superm1_ | it adds you | 05:16 |
| superm1_ | automatically | 05:16 |
| defendguin | ohh hmm | 05:16 |
| defendguin | i get an error when i try to run mythfill | 05:16 |
| superm1_ | whats the error? | 05:16 |
| defendguin | 2007-05-29 23:01:52.577 Unable to connect to database! | 05:16 |
| defendguin | 2007-05-29 23:01:52.577 Driver error was [1/1045] : | 05:16 |
| defendguin | QMYSQL3: Unable to connect | 05:16 |
| defendguin | Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES) | 05:17 |
| superm1_ | okay is there a ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt | 05:17 |
| superm1_ | for your user? | 05:17 |
| superm1_ | (not mythtv) | 05:17 |
| defendguin | 2007-05-29 22:58:57.084 Unable to read configuration file mysql.txt | 05:18 |
| defendguin | 2007-05-29 22:58:57.084 Trying to create a basic mysql.txt file | 05:18 |
| defendguin | 2007-05-29 22:58:57.100 Writing settings file /home/justin/.mythtv/mysql.txt | 05:18 |
| superm1_ | okay | 05:18 |
| defendguin | from the first time i tried to run it | 05:18 |
| superm1_ | you dont want that | 05:18 |
| superm1_ | you must not be in the mythtv group still | 05:18 |
| superm1_ | you ran mythtv-setup, it will add you | 05:18 |
| defendguin | i did run it when i first setup the box | 05:18 |
| superm1_ | as the regular user? | 05:18 |
| defendguin | i can't be positive of that | 05:19 |
| superm1_ | well remove ~/.mythtv | 05:19 |
| superm1_ | and run mythtv-setup again | 05:19 |
| superm1_ | and it will handle making sure groups are right | 05:19 |
| defendguin | :-) | 05:23 |
| defendguin | i just changed cable providers and i edited my settings at zap2it an hour ago and i'm trying to get the programming guide right | 05:24 |
| defendguin | i went and ssh in as my user ran mythtv-setup it added me to the group and asked me to logout and log back in | 05:25 |
| defendguin | i did so and am trying to run mythtv-setup from my ssh session with the gui displaying here but i dont think it is going well | 05:25 |
| defendguin | just a blue screen | 05:26 |
| defendguin | superm1: should i go through the setup again or should i just run mythfill again will that work well enough? | 05:28 |
| superm1 | blue screen? | 05:29 |
| superm1 | when forwarding over X? | 05:29 |
| defendguin | yeah the wavy blue screen | 05:31 |
| defendguin | no widgets buttons or boxes | 05:31 |
| superm1 | are you forwarding over wifi? | 05:31 |
| defendguin | yeah | 05:31 |
| superm1 | that'd be it | 05:31 |
| superm1 | X forwarding is slow as hell on wifi | 05:32 |
| defendguin | i guess just updating the DB wouldn't work | 05:32 |
| defendguin | seems the channel data is still wrong | 05:32 |
| superm1 | you have to switch channel layouts in mythtv-setup and delete the old channels | 05:32 |
| superm1 | and such | 05:32 |
| defendguin | ahh | 05:32 |
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| defendguin_ | now i'm connected via a wired connection and it seems to be about the same | 05:36 |
| superm1 | give it a min or so | 05:36 |
| superm1 | it should ventually come up | 05:36 |
| superm1 | (and much faster than wifi would have) | 05:36 |
| defendguin_ | ok i can do that | 05:36 |
| defendguin_ | 2007-05-29 23:34:35.827 Using NV NPOT texture extension is the last thing it said in the term window | 05:38 |
| superm1 | if it doesn't come up, you can do "-O ThemePainter=qt" at the end of the command line | 05:39 |
| superm1 | perhaps its trying to use opengl | 05:39 |
| superm1 | which you cant do over ssh | 05:39 |
| defendguin_ | i don't have a nvidia card on this pc would that make a difference? | 05:39 |
| superm1 | did you set it to opengl painter before> | 05:39 |
| defendguin_ | 2007-05-29 23:34:30.205 Using the OpenGL painter | 05:39 |
| defendguin_ | yeah i did | 05:39 |
| superm1 | thats it | 05:40 |
| superm1 | so do it | 05:40 |
| superm1 | mythtv-setup -O ThemePainter=qt | 05:40 |
| defendguin_ | much better | 05:40 |
| defendguin_ | hmmm for direct data lineup it says tx62678 | 05:42 |
| superm1 | blow away the dd info i say | 05:45 |
| superm1 | and just put the new stuff in | 05:45 |
| defendguin_ | i forget do i need to hit the retrieve lineups button now? | 05:46 |
| defendguin_ | probably | 05:46 |
| defendguin_ | but nothing comes up in the drop down box after i do | 05:47 |
| superm1 | then username/pass is likely wrong | 05:47 |
| superm1 | if nothing comes up | 05:47 |
| defendguin_ | hmmm nada and i logged into the zap2it site to double check | 05:49 |
| superm1 | the term should tell you why thats happenin then | 05:49 |
| defendguin_ | 2007-05-29 23:50:14.805 Fetching lineups from Tribune Media Zap2It... | 05:50 |
| defendguin_ | 2007-05-29 23:50:14.814 Grabbing channel data | 05:50 |
| defendguin_ | --23:50:14-- http://datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com/tvlistings/xtvdService | 05:50 |
| defendguin_ | => `-' | 05:50 |
| defendguin_ | Resolving datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com... failed: Name or service not known | 05:50 |
| defendguin_ | hmm | 05:51 |
| defendguin_ | i can't ping that address maybe they are having issues | 05:52 |
| defendguin_ | superm1: can you ping that address? | 05:53 |
| superm1 | nope cant ping it either | 05:53 |
| superm1 | but it is resolving | 05:53 |
| defendguin_ | 206.18.98.160 | 05:53 |
| superm1 | yup | 05:53 |
| superm1 | perhaps DD is having issues | 05:54 |
| defendguin_ | maybe we need to flush out dns entries | 05:54 |
| defendguin_ | http://datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com/tvlistings/ this page comes up when i try in a browser | 05:57 |
| defendguin_ | looks like an error page though so i have no clue | 06:02 |
| defendguin_ | and i deleted my video source so no tv even with the wrong data lol | 06:03 |
| superm1 | I think zap2it is just having issues | 06:08 |
| defendguin_ | oh well | 06:08 |
| superm1 | try again in an hour or so i say | 06:08 |
| defendguin_ | sounds like a plan | 06:08 |
| superm1 | did you pick up a dvi-hdmi cable yet? | 06:09 |
| defendguin_ | should be in the mail tomorrow | 06:09 |
| superm1 | ah vg | 06:09 |
| defendguin_ | http://bb.labs.zap2it.com/viewtopic.php?t=791 | 06:15 |
| defendguin_ | nm thats old | 06:16 |
| defendguin_ | but i guess its still happening | 06:21 |
| superm1 | have you tried to reboot to let all web info be flushed out (DNS cache, conntrack tables, and anything else) | 06:25 |
| defendguin_ | still nada | 06:29 |
| defendguin_ | i term served into my computer at work and it didn't work there either | 06:29 |
| defendguin_ | pinging that address | 06:30 |
| superm1 | well you can get to the site from a web browser though | 06:35 |
| superm1 | so i dunno what to thikn | 06:35 |
| superm1 | i say go to #mythtv-users and see if you can grab someone else to try to update zap2it data | 06:35 |
| superm1 | (my backend isnt accessible to me atm) | 06:36 |
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| superm1 | imbrandon, would you be able to revu a package tonight? | 07:50 |
| superm1 | imbrandon, if you get a chance: http://revu.tauware.de./details.py?upid=5325 (libhdhomerun) | 07:51 |
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| gardengnome | morning | 10:19 |
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| mattfletcher | hello, is this the right room to ask about mythbuntu? | 03:23 |
| superm1_ | Yup mattfletcher | 03:23 |
| mattfletcher | cool. it sounds exciting. i've always wanted to try mythtv on my winmce machine, but it always looked so complex. i just wanted to know if my mce remote will work with it out of the box, as well as my nova-t pci card | 03:24 |
| superm1_ | once we are at release, the nova-t will. atm it requires manually loading a module | 03:25 |
| superm1_ | we are depending on another team's work for lirc support though, so depending on how far they make it by our release, the remote may require extra work or may not | 03:25 |
| gardengnome | morning guys :) | 03:26 |
| superm1_ | morning gardengnome | 03:26 |
| mattfletcher | i see, so with a bit of legwork, they can both run already, but not out of the box? | 03:32 |
| superm1_ | Exactly | 03:33 |
| tritium | superm1_: I haven't yet had a chance to try the image you wanted me to test | 03:33 |
| superm1_ | ook tritium | 03:33 |
| tritium | I'll get to it as soon as possible | 03:33 |
| mattfletcher | and i can do that legwork on a live cd before i decide whether to replace win mce or not just yet? | 03:34 |
| superm1_ | Well unfortunately no. The livecd will only function as a frontend | 03:34 |
| superm1_ | the biggest reason is because the backend needs to have somewhere to write to | 03:34 |
| superm1_ | but there are a few other technical reasons keeping it from running the backend | 03:35 |
| superm1_ | The most ideal thing to do - if you have an extra hard drive (Say 40 gigs), throw that in there | 03:36 |
| superm1_ | and do a quick install | 03:36 |
| superm1_ | !mythtv | 03:36 |
| ubotu | MythTV is a TV framework for Linux - Instructions for using with Ubuntu at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV | 03:36 |
| superm1_ | will walk you through doing it | 03:36 |
| gardengnome | !boobs | 03:38 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about boobs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | 03:38 |
| gardengnome | oh. sad. | 03:38 |
| superm1_ | tritium, if your tv does indeed only do 640x480, I anticipate things won't look right or be legible. I toyed with the resolution in a VM, and 640x480 is very very difficult to read | 03:46 |
| tritium | superm1_: I'll verify. it's either 640x480 or 800x600 before I install nvidia-glx | 03:47 |
| tritium | Then I get 1280x720 | 03:47 |
| superm1_ | 800x600 would be much better | 03:49 |
| tritium | Yes, but still not enough for the big ubiquity windows, which can't be resized | 03:50 |
| superm1_ | well they do scale the text to the resolution | 03:50 |
| tritium | The issue isn't clarity, it's being able to click "Next" to continue the installation | 03:50 |
| superm1_ | so if your maximize the window, it should all show up | 03:50 |
| superm1_ | but you'll see | 03:50 |
| tritium | Or, rather, _not_ being able to | 03:50 |
| tritium | No, maximizing doesn't work | 03:51 |
| tritium | Anyway, I'm at work, and need to get back to being productive. | 03:52 |
| tritium | I'll be on this evening... | 03:52 |
| superm1_ | Okay. see ya | 03:52 |
| tritium | See you :) | 03:52 |
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| superm1 | rogue780|mythser, you there? | 06:40 |
| rogue780|mythser | superm1, I am now | 07:32 |
| superm1 | hi rogue780|mythser | 08:00 |
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| rogue780|mythser | superm1, I'm having the same issure with the new mythbuntu build...when it finishes the usplash the screen goes blank and says out of raneg | 08:00 |
| rogue780|mythser | *range | 08:01 |
| superm1 | out of range | 08:01 |
| superm1 | can you boot in safe graphics mode? | 08:01 |
| rogue780|mythser | nope. the monitor just goes to standby after the usplash | 08:01 |
| superm1 | after the usplash? | 08:02 |
| superm1 | or the first splash | 08:02 |
| superm1 | with the meny | 08:02 |
| superm1 | menu | 08:02 |
| rogue780|mythser | the usplash. | 08:02 |
| rogue780|mythser | I see the menu, then once I select an option I see the usplash w/the throbber for a few minutes then blackness | 08:02 |
| superm1 | well if you choose safe graphics at the first menu though, any more luck? | 08:02 |
| rogue780|mythser | nope | 08:02 |
| superm1 | does an ordinary ubuntu disk work? | 08:03 |
| rogue780|mythser | and I might add that the computer I'm testing it on runs feisty just fine | 08:03 |
| superm1 | have you tried particularly - a feisty live disk? | 08:04 |
| superm1 | to see if it comes up | 08:04 |
| rogue780|mythser | yes | 08:05 |
| rogue780|mythser | works fine | 08:05 |
| superm1 | now *that* is bizarre | 08:05 |
| superm1 | because we use the same packages as them | 08:05 |
| superm1 | have you checked your ISO md5sum? | 08:05 |
| superm1 | to make sure it matches the same thing on the mythbuntu server | 08:06 |
| rogue780|mythser | they match | 08:07 |
| superm1 | does the disk check come out okay? | 08:07 |
| superm1 | on the disk? | 08:07 |
| superm1 | i'm not sure if it will at this point | 08:07 |
| superm1 | i havent looked much into properly creating it, but i think it should | 08:08 |
| rogue780|mythser | although when I run the disk check it says it finds errors in 3 files | 08:09 |
| superm1 | which 3? | 08:09 |
| rogue780|mythser | it doesn't say. it merely states that it found errors in 3 files | 08:10 |
| superm1 | could you boot it up in a vm by chance? | 08:11 |
| superm1 | and compare | 08:11 |
| superm1 | see if it still finds those 3 errors? | 08:11 |
| superm1 | i dont have a vm accessible to me here right now (at work) | 08:11 |
| superm1 | just so as to rule out problems with the burn | 08:13 |
| rogue780|mythser | not on this computer (I've had issues with VM destroying ubuntu...I'll try it in a little bit on a computer besides my server) | 08:15 |
| superm1 | with a VM destroying ubuntu? | 08:15 |
| superm1 | woah | 08:15 |
| superm1 | what happened? | 08:16 |
| rogue780|mythser | well it broke apt anyway | 08:16 |
| superm1 | which vm package did you use? | 08:16 |
| rogue780|mythser | it never installed properly, and everything I tried to use apt it kept trying to finish the install of vmware. no matter how I tried to uninstall, remove, or make apt forget about vm...it stayed. | 08:16 |
| rogue780|mythser | I thought I had fixed it at one point, but I actually put the final bullet in apt | 08:17 |
| superm1 | vmware player i'm thining? | 08:17 |
| rogue780|mythser | 's head and had to reinstall ubuntu | 08:17 |
| superm1 | not server | 08:17 |
| rogue780|mythser | yeah | 08:17 |
| superm1 | i had a similar issue at a point with it | 08:17 |
| superm1 | one of the big reasons i switched to virtualbox | 08:17 |
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| rogue780|mythser | virtualbox? | 08:18 |
| superm1 | http://www.virtualbox.org/ | 08:18 |
| superm1 | they have debs on their site | 08:18 |
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| superm1 | rogue780|mythser, also i was going to ask you for a next venture: | 09:04 |
| superm1 | a gdm screen | 09:04 |
| superm1 | I'm not sure what has to go into making one as of yet though, so might have to investigate | 09:05 |
| superm1 | but in the screen, a very simple method of switching sessions needs to be present. (this is essential) | 09:08 |
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| grndslm | k guys...i can't get mythbackend to run at start!!! | 09:40 |
| grndslm | this happens with every release of ubuntu...how is this not fixed, or what am i doing wrong? | 09:40 |
| waldo323 | what version of ubunut are you running? | 09:41 |
| waldo323 | ubuntu* | 09:41 |
| grndslm | before i just added "/usr/bin/mythbackend -d -l /var/log/wherever.log" to the end of /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend...but even that's not working | 09:41 |
| grndslm | feisty | 09:41 |
| superm1 | Hi grndslm, can you start it via the init script manually? | 09:41 |
| superm1 | without your modification | 09:41 |
| grndslm | superm1: no, it won't start | 09:41 |
| grndslm | without | 09:41 |
| superm1 | have you manually changed passwords for the mythtv user or mysql mythtv account? | 09:42 |
| grndslm | even with at startup....but if i run it with the modification at terminal it finally starts | 09:42 |
| grndslm | yup | 09:42 |
| superm1 | and updated /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt? | 09:42 |
| grndslm | hmm....pretty sure, but now that you mention it... | 09:42 |
| superm1 | well the way you should do it is this | 09:42 |
| superm1 | sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database | 09:42 |
| superm1 | and then sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common | 09:43 |
| superm1 | make sure the info is right there too | 09:43 |
| superm1 | and it will update all necessary files and debconf databases | 09:43 |
| superm1 | by updating the debconf databases, there won't be a chance for it to break next release | 09:43 |
| grndslm | hmm...well, i edited mysql.txt, init script still didn't work! | 09:45 |
| grndslm | superm1: i will try dpkg-reconfigure | 09:45 |
| superm1 | what does /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log say when you are trying? | 09:45 |
| superm1 | perhaps something about permissions to the recordings directory? | 09:45 |
| grndslm | ahh, yes...thank you superm1: i did chmod that directory, but it wasn't recursively | 09:49 |
| grndslm | i think i'm good to go now | 09:50 |
| superm1 | i should have said permissions the first time around, its the most common problem with starting the backend | 09:50 |
| grndslm | well, you were right both times ;-) | 09:50 |
| rogue780|mythser | superm1, I think I might be able to rustle something up | 10:03 |
| superm1 | what i'd ideally like is something simlar to a face browswer | 10:05 |
| superm1 | theme | 10:05 |
| superm1 | you know how it lets you choose user names | 10:05 |
| superm1 | but instead have a session browser | 10:05 |
| superm1 | that can show the automatic login as well as the special system administration session we will be shipping | 10:05 |
| rogue780|mythser | so instead of a username list, it would be a session list? | 10:06 |
| superm1 | if its possible | 10:06 |
| superm1 | i'm not sure if it is | 10:06 |
| rogue780|mythser | well, might have to modify gdm to do it | 10:06 |
| superm1 | well if it comes down to us having to modify gdm, we can of course do that, but it'd be preferable not to | 10:07 |
| superm1 | the less applications we have to modify, the better :) | 10:07 |
| rogue780|mythser | indeed | 10:17 |
| rogue780|mythser | I've gotta go give my wife her ID...she left it behind. bbl | 10:17 |
| superm1 | k | 10:18 |
| rogue780|mythser | superm1, how do I use virtual box once it's installed? it's not in the menu | 10:39 |
| superm1 | Sure it is | 10:39 |
| gardengnome | run VirtualBox | 10:39 |
| superm1 | its under system tools | 10:40 |
| superm1 | I think its entitled Innotek Virtualbox | 10:40 |
| superm1 | under that menu | 10:40 |
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| superm1 | virtualbox didn't kill your session did it? | 10:41 |
| rogue780|mythser | no | 10:57 |
| rogue780|mythser | I killed it so that magically the menu item would appear | 10:57 |
| rogue780|mythser | how do I get out of fullscreen in virtualbox? | 10:57 |
| superm1 | oh its like rtctrl-entre | 10:58 |
| superm1 | or something like that | 10:58 |
| DaveMorris | does anyone here use mythtMusic and find it dosen't load all of there music up? | 11:00 |
| rogue780|mythser | anyway, mythbuntu runs fine in virtualbox | 11:01 |
| superm1 | rogue780|mythser, does it check out fine htough? | 11:01 |
| superm1 | the disk check | 11:01 |
| superm1 | in virtualbox | 11:02 |
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| rogue780|mythser | it found 3 errors with virtualbox | 11:03 |
| superm1 | Ok. well then that will be something that needs to be fixed yet (the disk check) | 11:04 |
| superm1 | i'm wondering why it doesnt boot for your computer though | 11:04 |
| superm1 | or moreover why the regular feisty disk would | 11:04 |
| DaveMorris | what kernels are been used on them? | 11:04 |
| superm1 | well the one on mythbuntu is the very very latest feisty kernel | 11:05 |
| superm1 | 2.6.20-16 | 11:05 |
| superm1 | the one on the feisty disk is likely 2.6.20-15 | 11:05 |
| gardengnome | what about those realtime kernels? would they be beneficial? | 11:05 |
| rogue780|mythser | I dunno. I'm running a Sempron64 2800, 1Gig'o'ram, nvidia fx5200 | 11:05 |
| DaveMorris | I've had problems where my mini-itx boards haven't loaded the generic kernel, but loads the 383 kernel | 11:06 |
| superm1 | gardengnome, are they in ubuntu yet? | 11:06 |
| superm1 | err 386 kernel :) | 11:06 |
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| rogue780|mythser | I's about to say...I'd never heard of the 383 | 11:06 |
| gardengnome | superm1: i think i saw them, but i'm not too sure. might have been universe | 11:07 |
| DaveMorris | yeah 386 | 11:07 |
| superm1 | i think they'd be more trouble than worth atm | 11:07 |
| superm1 | maybe as a future option though | 11:07 |
| DaveMorris | and my main PC won;t boot a 386 kernel only the generic one | 11:07 |
| gardengnome | virtualbox won't boot those server kernels | 11:08 |
| gardengnome | ;) | 11:08 |
| superm1 | oh really? | 11:08 |
| gardengnome | no | 11:08 |
| gardengnome | http://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/289 | 11:08 |
| gardengnome | ^^ | 11:08 |
| superm1 | ah | 11:19 |
| superm1 | keescook, could you comment at all about the source package naming in question in -motu at all given your core-dev and debianness? | 11:48 |
| keescook | superm1: one sec | 11:50 |
| keescook | superm1: I'm not able to follow the discussion, which package is in question? | 11:52 |
| superm1 | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5325 libhdromerun | 11:52 |
| superm1 | its a package that was put up on revu, but the upstream package is named libhdhomerun. | 11:53 |
| superm1 | the binary developed is hdhomerun-config | 11:53 |
| keescook | I would also recommend against libhdromerun, just to avoid confusion. most packagers are expecting a lib* package to produce some .h and .a files, etc. | 12:04 |
| superm1 | even though it will cause confusion with new versions? | 12:04 |
| keescook | what do you mean by new version confusion? | 12:05 |
| superm1 | well when new versions of libhdhomerun are released, it would require renaming the upstream tarball again | 12:06 |
| keescook | well, you always have to rename the tarball -- no one releases with the suffix .orig.tar.gz. Also, the version you're using is 0.{date}, but they use just {data} so you'd have to rename it for that too. | 12:07 |
| superm1 | oh good point. | 12:07 |
| keescook | So, end of the day, I think it's worth naming it with a less confusing source package name | 12:07 |
| keescook | random other comments: I think you can leave lgpl.txt out of "docs" since you already mention where to find it in the copyright | 12:08 |
| superm1 | well that has been an item of discussion | 12:08 |
| superm1 | as crimsun had mentioned during mythbuntu-artwork-usplash | 12:08 |
| superm1 | that a COPYING file | 12:08 |
| superm1 | needs to be shipped *in* the package | 12:08 |
| keescook | ah, in that case, go with what the more experienced motus say. :) | 12:08 |
| superm1 | and contain the entire GPL or LGPL | 12:08 |
| keescook | great, the rest of the package looks fine. nice and simple. :) | 12:09 |
| superm1 | yea, i'm really stating to love cdbs | 12:09 |
| superm1 | i want to do more packages with it instead :) | 12:09 |
| keescook | I use it whenever I can. Unfortunately the last few things have been totally insane stuff like lirc and apparmor. :) | 12:11 |
| superm1 | oh did you get lirc straightend out with a sru for that serial patch? | 12:12 |
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