[02:50] <gwar> does anyone know about "perl: warning: setting locale failed" while running ltsp-build-kernel on a powerpc
[02:50] <gwar> ?
[03:02] <gwar> does anyone know about "perl: warning: setting locale failed" while running ltsp-build-kernel on a powerpc
[03:02] <gwar> ?
[04:57] <_46> On another box, I was installing edubuntu, at % a notice saidmemory too low mode80
[04:58] <_46> so, I shut the install down and now the monitor is blank, does that mean my CR2032 battery on mother board id dead?
[05:30] <mindslant> Hi, I'm working on a proposal for a school I was just hired into to finally use all there donated computers.  Of course I chose edubuntu (it's wonderful)  Does anyone know of any resources I might use for the presentation?
[05:31] <mindslant> I guess first things first, is anyone here?
[05:33] <kgoetz> hang around, someoen might be abel to help you
[05:34] <mindslant> I can for a bit
[05:35] <mindslant> I've never run a large network either.  I'm thinking I'll need to plug the modem into an edubuntu server, server to big switch box, to all the clients.  I'm guessing at spending about $300.
[05:35] <mindslant> I'm I kinda close or way off
[05:35] <mindslant> *Am I
[05:36] <kgoetz> depends how many clients, if you have cables, what teh switch is, etc
[05:36] <mindslant> Yeah, I figured a lot of variable would come into it
[05:37] <mindslant> I'm thinking ~20-30 clients per room (i.e. server) on cables (cat-5)
[05:37] <kgoetz> switches come in 24 then 48 ports
[05:38] <mindslant> If I'm not running a thin-client scenario, what is the purpose of the server?
[05:38] <kgoetz> usually +2 or +4 for uplinks
[05:38] <mindslant> I know there a lot of noob questions, I've just never run large networks
[05:38] <kgoetz> there isnt one. unless you create a erason
[05:38] <kgoetz> and you can run all the rooms back to a central serrver, if thats sane for you, otherwise  aserver per room or set of rooms
[05:39] <mindslant> So just modem to big switch box huh?  Much simpler.  I'm gaining confidence by the second.  Uh...+2 or  +4 <---what do the numbers mean?
[05:39] <mindslant> No big server, no budget
[05:40] <kgoetz> +2 or +4 ports on switches
[05:40] <kgoetz> depends on the switch
[05:40] <mindslant> Oh okay
[05:40] <kgoetz> what sort of modem?
[05:40] <kgoetz> servers can also == proxies
[05:40] <kgoetz> which may be important in a schooll......
[05:40] <mindslant> I appreciate you answering all my silly little quandries.  Proxies are?
[05:41] <kgoetz> used for filtering and speeding up the connection
[05:41] <kgoetz> questions are ok, if they help you make a good impression :)
[05:42] <mindslant> Well right now I'm the 6-9 social studies guy.  They saw my comp. sci background and want a computer guy.  I want to be a linux guy.  It's all coming together
[05:42] <mindslant> So a high speed line comes into the building.  I put that in a proxie.  The Proxie hooks up to switches which hook up to more switches which are located in each class room?
[05:43] <kgoetz> if i wasnt at work, i'd be able to just help you atm
[05:43] <mindslant> Your at work now...thx for the dedication helping
[05:43] <kgoetz> im sort of flicking back and forth between you and our servers ;)
[05:45] <mindslant> So does the reasoning above make sense?
[05:46] <kgoetz> more or less. not knowing any details of the network i cant be 100% 'yeh thats it' of course
[05:47] <mindslant> Yeah, I know I'm just trying to get the concept.
[05:47] <kgoetz> thats abotu it
[05:48] <mindslant> Well good news, I really appreciate it.  I'll just figure out how proxies work and I'm in business kind of
[05:49] <kgoetz> look at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/SquidGuard
[05:49] <kgoetz> it should be pretty much it :)
[05:50] <kgoetz> i used that and a bit extra at my work
[05:50] <kgoetz> my other work ;)
[05:50] <mindslant> Thx :).  I wikipediad Proxies and I get their purpose, now for the details.
[05:51] <kgoetz> see above:)
[05:52] <mindslant> I think I can stumble along quickly enough that they won't realize I'm not sure what I"m doing and fire me.
[05:53] <kgoetz> remember to come and ask. its teh key thing. and loko in the wiki. fair bit of help there and teh site above
[05:54] <mindslant> Can do sir.  I'll let you get back to your real work.  Really, thanks a lot.
[05:54] <kgoetz> its ok, i'm working atm ;)
[05:54] <kgoetz> and if your asking for help, expect to wait a bit
[05:54] <kgoetz> people arnt always around
[05:55] <mindslant> Do you work for ubuntu?  Or a school?
[05:55] <kgoetz> i use ubuntu at a community centre
[05:56] <mindslant> Either it stays open late or your accross the ocean from Texas
[05:56] <kgoetz> heh. the world does corss teh water ;)
[05:56] <kgoetz> *cross
[05:59] <mindslant> I meant you've got to live on another continent
[05:59] <kgoetz> yes, i'm in australia
[06:00] <mindslant> We think of Australia as the bigger Texas
[06:01] <kgoetz> ... i'im not sure how i'mi going to take that
[06:02] <mindslant> It's a compliment.  Every Australian I've met I've naturally got along with.  We love you guys
[06:02] <mindslant> Lots of similar mindsets usually
[06:03] <kgoetz> long as its a good thing
[06:04] <mindslant> I hope to visit someday.
[06:05] <mindslant> It's late here though, I just needed to spitball some ideas to make sure I wasn't about to bite off more than I could chew or that I wasn't way off track.  I really appreciate all the help. g'night sir.
[06:06] <kgoetz> later mate, sleep well :)
[07:34] <fxch> I just got a problem when I install Edubuntu yesterday. Could anybody help me?
[07:35] <kgoetz> tell us teh problem, and if someone is able and available tehy will help you
[07:38] <fxch> After I configured the keyboard, the installer checked the CD and told me the CD didn't contain a complete distro
[07:39] <fxch> It happened before the picture of 'IP address' of http://www.edubuntu.org/GettingStarted
[07:40] <kgoetz> is it a custom cd?
[07:40] <fxch> What do you mean 'custom cd'?
[07:41] <fxch> I received them from 'shipit.kubuntu.com'
[07:41] <kgoetz> edubuntu from kubuntu shipit?
[07:41] <fxch> Sorry, it is 'shipit.edubuntu.com'
[07:45] <fxch> Does anyone can solve this problem?
[07:45] <fxch> Sorry, poor english
[07:45] <kgoetz> i'm confused by your error - i havent heard of it before
[07:46] <fxch> I even can't believe it. But it happened
[09:30] <RichEd> hey nixternal ... doin' okay ?
[09:31] <LaserJock> hi RichEd
[09:31] <LaserJock> he seems to be having issues today
[09:31] <RichEd> hi LaserJock ... I picked up your comment on the doc spec yesterday.
[09:32] <LaserJock> mhm
[09:32] <RichEd> I must go through it, but my request to Will was basically:
[09:33] <RichEd> draw up a timeline based process for each dev cycle that indicates what doc work must be done and when, with "triggers" to make sure we start the work in good time.
[09:33] <RichEd> It should include things like "prepare release notes" "ensure that old dosc on wiki / web are updated" "clean out old LP specs that are no longer relevant" etc.
[09:34] <RichEd> Not just tech doc, but all docs asociated with a cycle.
[09:34] <LaserJock> yeah, you can get a bit more detailed like that
[09:34] <RichEd> And the "rule is" dock into ubuntu processes, try not to splinter.
[09:34] <LaserJock> yes
[09:34] <LaserJock> we got that going at the end of Feisty I think pretty well
[09:34] <RichEd> Same as artwork one basically, all about making a sausage machine, and less of a ad hoc seat of the panties.
[09:35] <LaserJock> we just had to blow off the doc string freeze because we were trying to get the first release going
[09:35] <LaserJock> but things like release notes and wiki updating is good
[09:35] <LaserJock> probably will need website update as well
[09:36] <LaserJock> RichEd: did you or ogra happen to prioritize the specs on the Roadmap wiki page?
[09:36] <LaserJock> I was going to suggest when he had his list of high, medium, and low that we should actually do that in the wiki page as well
[09:39] <LaserJock> blah, I gotta get to bed
[09:39] <LaserJock> silly research
[09:39] <LaserJock> don't they know I've got specs to impliment? ;-)
[09:41] <RichEd-1> *reset
 we just had to blow off the doc string freeze because we were trying to get the first release going
[09:42] <RichEd> did I miss anything after that ?
[09:43] <LaserJock> but things like release notes and wiki updating is good
[09:44] <LaserJock> probably will need website update as well
[09:44] <LaserJock> RichEd: did you or ogra happen to prioritize the specs on the Roadmap wiki page?
[09:44] <LaserJock> I was going to suggest when he had his list of high, medium, and low that we should actually do that in  the wiki page as well
[09:44] <LaserJock> blah, I gotta get to bed
[09:44] <LaserJock>  silly research
[09:44] <LaserJock> don't they know I've got specs to impliment? ;-)
[09:44] <RichEd> yep ... the more defined tasks we have, the more places that volunteers can pick up a ball to help
[09:44] <LaserJock> there, that's what you midded
[09:44] <LaserJock> *missed
[09:57] <pips1> good morning
[10:04] <RichEd> hi pips1 nixternal HedgeMage
[10:05] <HedgeMage> hi RichEd
[10:05] <pips1> hi all
[10:09] <RichEd> ping pips1
[10:10] <pips1> pong RichEd
[10:28] <Paul_UK> hi, is there much difference between edubuntu and ubuntu server 7.04, with server edition having ltsp installed?
[10:30] <RichEd> Paul_UK: ogra can answer that best ... te main difference is the \education apps
[10:30] <RichEd> *the
[10:31] <Paul_UK> ok, its just that i have a server running, ltsp is installed and im using the quickstart guide, but now i cant run any clients because of errors, such as : yeah - warning : xrdb command not found; X resources not merged and unable to start X session --- no "/home/paul/.xsession" file, no session managers, no windows managers, no terminal emulators found
[10:31] <Paul_UK> not sure where to go next.
[10:39] <Paul_UK> does edubuntu come with a gui, or is it cli based ?
[10:43] <pips1> Paul_UK: what do you mean by gui? do you mean a desktop environment and graphical applications?
[10:44] <Paul_UK> yep
[10:44] <pips1> There is the edubuntu-desktop debian package... which will provide a gnome desktop environment and educational applications
[10:44] <RichEd> Paul_UK: let me get you the link for the LTSP documentation
[10:45] <Paul_UK> RichEd: you mean the quickstart guide?
[10:45] <RichEd> the whole list ... brb ...\
[10:45] <Paul_UK> RichEd: ok cool
[10:45] <RichEd> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP
[10:46] <RichEd> there you go ...
[10:46] <RichEd> note also that you can get good help in #ltsp as this is the core LTSP we bundle
[10:46] <Paul_UK> oh, i know abot that
[10:46] <Paul_UK> *about
[10:46] <RichEd> most folks there are on US time though
[10:46] <Paul_UK> no disrespect, but that documentation is a joke
[10:47] <RichEd> Paul_UK: none taken ... give us feedback ... what's good what's bad what's ugly
[10:47] <Paul_UK> i got an ubuntu server up and running, got dhcp setup and installed ltsp following the quickstart guide.  but now i have a client starting up with pxe and its looking like there is no x-session manager installed.  of which i cant find no mention, of how to administrate "published" thin client desktops.
[10:48] <Paul_UK> coming from a citrix background, well after an hour of working with ubuntu server and ltsp, i wanted to beat someone in the street lol.
[10:48] <Paul_UK> 1 thin client doesnt work because of this : warning : xrdb command not found; X resources not merged and unable to start X session --- no "/home/paul/.xsession" file, no session managers, no windows managers, no terminal emulators found
[10:48] <Paul_UK> so any help would be greatly appricated, otherwise i will download edubuntu
[10:49] <RichEd> our tech types take stuff for granted ... do to them beiing close to the coal face
[10:49] <RichEd> what I can tell you is that LTSP was born in Edubuntu ... and was built as a one process Edubuntu install
[10:49] <RichEd> LTSP is now being generalised to Ubuntu ... and you are in the cusp period
[10:50] <RichEd> the focus on this is ramping up
[10:50] <RichEd> So *my suggestion* would be to install Edubuntu LTSP ... and play around with that ...
[10:50] <Paul_UK> hmm, yeah i understand that.  its just i would love to have this installed in a production environment for next month
[10:50] <RichEd> Then go vanilla Ubuntu if you need to as a 2nd attempt.
[10:51] <RichEd> And by all means, bitch about the missing links ... but do so via email to the edubuntu-devel mail list so we can address.
[10:51] <pips1> Paul_UK: if you want to setup an LTSP server setup, it might be easier to go via edubuntu just now
[10:52] <Paul_UK> pips1: thats the conclusion im coming to, so yeah will just do that
[10:52] <RichEd> Paul_UK: I've been asked to clarify my broad statement above ...
[10:52] <Paul_UK> clarify?
[10:52] <RichEd> The Ubuntu effort to build an LTSP environment stared with the education project  - ogra to be precise
[10:53] <RichEd> We did not start LTSP ... which my earlier comment seemed to imply
[10:53] <Paul_UK> oh i realise that.
[10:53] <Paul_UK> I find its great you guys picked up LTSP and are wanting to bundle it with Ubuntu.
[10:53] <RichEd> Ubuntu tackled getting an LTSP implementation into place to address low spec h/w in resource strapped schools.
[10:54] <Paul_UK> Its just that, going to the server page, it states that LTSP is ready to go for server edition.
[10:54] <Paul_UK> maybe the wording needs to be changed.
[10:54] <RichEd> The distro team is in the process of taking on an LTSP dedicated reource for Ubuntu ...
[10:54] <RichEd> *resource
[10:55] <RichEd> He will look at some of those gaps
[10:55] <Paul_UK> ok, well let me take a look at Edubuntu and then monitor the progress made for the server + ltsp
[10:55] <RichEd> Right now, ogra would be able to help you ... and if somone could document the hand-holding required, that would give us a good Gap analysis
[11:21] <cbx33> anyone got any experience with firewalls?
[11:27] <ogra> Paul_UK, sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[11:27] <ogra> Paul_UK, you need a desktop session to log in to ...
[11:29] <ogra> unless you want something special like a fullscreen xterm or something, then just set LDM_REMOTECMD=xterm or so ...
[11:29] <ogra> (in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf)
[11:35] <Paul_UK> ok, thanks will take a look
[11:36] <ogra> Paul_UK, the docs we have are suited for any normal ubuntu desktop install indeed sorry, its an assumption that users knw they need a desktop on the server side, i will fix the docs
[11:36] <Paul_UK> ogra, its cool.  i knew i needed a desktop, but didnt know how to go about it.  im totally new to ubuntu and ltsp, can really only do basic stuff with linux lol
[11:38] <Paul_UK> ogra, does edubuntu have this all configured and a desktop ready to go?
[11:39] <ogra> we're workig on a solution or the server CD by adding the necessary packages but there are some business related probs with that (desktop on long term supported releases will have only 3 years of support while server has 5 so puting these on a CD together is problematic) once these are properly solved we will just have an "install LTSP server" in the server installer
[11:39] <ogra> Paul_UK, yep, if yu have a two network card setup everything will work out of th box in edubuntu
[11:40] <ogra> if you have only one NIC you need to configure /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to match the IP of that one NIC
[11:42] <Paul_UK> ogra: good news to hear about the install LTSP option.  also i have 2 networking cards in the box.  another question, is the LTSP manager in edubuntu or do i need to download and install that?
[11:43] <ogra> ltsp manager isnt functional yet
[11:43] <ogra> its only a proof of concept mockup
[11:43] <Paul_UK> ahhh ok
[11:43] <Paul_UK> hehe just noticed the alpha comment
[11:44] <ogra> in feisty we introduced python-ltsp, it provides all backend functions for ltsp manager, in gutsy i'll connect the gui with the backend stuff
[11:44] <ogra> so in october there will be something functional
[11:44] <Paul_UK> cool
[11:45] <Paul_UK> ok well im downloading edubuntu, hopefully i can get something working soon. i really need up to 40/50 thinclients locally and maybe 20 clients remotely by july.
[11:59] <cbx33> ogra: did I tell you we have someone interested in working on the KDE front end to TCM?
[12:22] <ogra> cbx33, i met some people in spain who expressed interest, who is it ?
[12:31] <cbx33> Yuriy
[12:37] <ogra> ah, right he said that before in here i think
[12:42] <cbx33> yeh
[01:35] <rc55> Hello! :) - I'm working for a small youth club with 10 Windows XP systems and I need a way to block adult / myspace style sites - does anyone have any suggestions? I could quite easily put in a new server to act as a proxy if needed.
[01:36] <rc55> I was just curious as to whether there was a standard way of doing things.
[01:41] <Paul_UK> rc55, your router could have a word list to use to block sites.  otherwise use something like dansguardian with squid proxy
[01:44] <rc55> Paul_UK: funnily enough I could possibly use Ubuntu Christian Edition!
[06:52] <LaserJock> ogra: get my gcompris email?
[08:52] <ogra> LaserJock, i'll get to that tonight, currently i'm poking around in ltsp
[09:21] <Paul_UK> hey there, is there anyway to troubleshoot dhcp server not starting up?  i've change the interface to eth1, eth1 has a static ip, and the dhcpd.conf is setup.  but its not working.  can anyone suggest anything?
[09:22] <Paul_UK> *its not starting up
[09:22] <ogra> it should autodetect the right interace if you didnt fiddle around in /etc/defaults
[09:22] <ogra> *interface
[09:23] <Paul_UK> :) ok will remove what i put in
[09:23] <ogra> paste your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf and the ourput of ifconfig -a to a pastebot
[09:23] <ogra> *output
[09:25] <Paul_UK> ah, theres me editing /etc/dhcpd3/dhcpd.conf
[09:26] <Paul_UK> and now dhcpd3 starts
[09:26] <LaserJock> ogra: great, I think as soon as gcompris and tuxpaint go through I'll submit my core-dev application
[09:27] <Paul_UK> and now my pxe client boots up
[09:27] <Paul_UK> thanks ogra
[09:27] <ogra> :)
[09:31] <Paul_UK> well since you are on.  any documentation to setup thinclients?  i have the same issue where i need to install the desktop, so im guessing its yum install ubuntu-desktop?
[09:31] <ogra> well
[09:32] <ogra> s/yum/apt-get/ :)
[09:32] <LaserJock> ogra: you sure you don't want to use yum?
[09:32] <LaserJock> it's tasty
[09:32] <Paul_UK> is the client the same as the desktop iso?
[09:32] <ogra> LaserJock, never tried to be honest, i'm happy with what i got
[09:33] <LaserJock> ogra: I don't blame you :-)
[09:33] <ogra> gar, ltsp-build-client fails on usplash
[09:35] <Paul_UK> ogra? is the apt-get ubuntu-desktop the same as getting the iso?  as im sure i'll break the server and dont want to keep on downloading 470mb
[09:35] <ogra> Paul_UK, ubuntu-desktop is on the alternate CD, get that one
[09:36] <Paul_UK> cool thanks
[09:36] <ogra> *sigh*
[09:36] <LaserJock> uh oh
[09:36] <Paul_UK> good luck
[09:37] <LaserJock> ah, cool
[09:38] <Paul_UK> so ogra, is there some documentation or do people bug you all the time :P
[09:39] <ogra> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-users/2007-May/001059.html
[09:39] <ogra> Paul_UK, ^^^
[09:41] <tristan_> lala
[09:41] <tristan_> do you ppl only talk about edubuntu?
[09:41] <Paul_UK> yes
[09:41] <tristan_> :(
[09:42] <tristan_> so when i bother you with news about my gaybike you kick my ass?
[09:42] <tristan_> actually gaybike isn't a good name
[09:42] <tristan_> have to give it another name
[09:42] <Paul_UK> gaylord bike?
[09:42] <tristan_> http://fotos.marktplaats.nl/kopen/e/31/z.133bcfee7cac89eb036125488464ec2e.jpg <= that one
[09:43] <tristan_> thought about spacebike too
[09:43] <tristan_> to confuse the police
[09:43] <tristan_> :P
[09:43] <tristan_> so I don't need insurance and license crap
[09:44] <tristan_> and a vehicle registration plate
[09:45] <tristan_> ok
[09:45] <tristan_> sorry for this offtopic shit
[09:45] <tristan_> how do I run ubuntu on it? :P
[09:45] <tristan_> edubuntu, sorry
[09:45] <tristan_> ohw wait.. I have stickers :)
[09:57] <LaserJock> mmmm, free hotdogs and hamburgers at the uni today
[09:57] <Paul_UK> hmm nice
[09:57] <Paul_UK> wish i was there
[09:59] <Paul_UK> oooooohhh yes
[09:59] <Paul_UK> i have a thin client
[10:03] <Paul_UK> ogra, am i right in saying, the thinclients take their desktop from the server?
[10:04] <ogra> right
[10:04] <Paul_UK> ok.
[10:05] <Paul_UK> oh ogra, two more things.  have you ever used thinstation with this and what protocol does edubuntu use, rdp, ica, nx ?
[10:06] <ogra> ssh
[10:07] <sbalneav> Paul_UK: X tunnelled over ssh
[10:08] <Paul_UK> right, i have no way to compare that, as i dont know x over ssh..  is it heavy on the bandwidth?
[10:08] <Paul_UK> and can you turn off the ssh?  to save on that bandwidth consumption?
[10:10] <sbalneav> Well, I guess the first question is, what are you trying to run over, a lan?
[10:10] <sbalneav> X is pretty bandwidth intensive.
[10:10] <Paul_UK> damn
[10:11] <sbalneav> Stub your toe?
[10:11] <Paul_UK> hehe yeah pretty much
[10:11] <Paul_UK> its over a lan, but really wanting something lightweight like rdp or ica
[10:12] <LaserJock> I think in general over lan X is faster
[10:13] <sbalneav> Well, RDP is a Windows only protocol, and ICA is not only windows only, but propriatary to Citrix.
[10:14] <Paul_UK> sbalneav: ica is used by 2x, as far as i know.
[10:14] <sbalneav> If you're worried about bandwidth on your main backbone, the simplest, and easiest way around that is simply to put two ethernet cards in one machine.  Hang the terminals off the second lan card.
[10:15] <sbalneav> Paul_UK: they're using the "free" ica client to connect to windows citrix boxes.
[10:15] <Paul_UK> yeah
[10:15] <sbalneav> You can't connect to a Linux machine with ica.
[10:16] <Paul_UK> i agree with the 2nd card, thats what im doing, but im going to have 40 thinclients, but also wanting to do voip as well.
[10:16] <sbalneav> Well, either way, you'd be looking at updating your backbone.
[10:16] <sbalneav> Is is gigE now?
[10:17] <Paul_UK> if it needs to be, its max 4GB
[10:20] <sbalneav> Well, that should be ok
[10:42] <Paul_UK> hey silly question, whilst i think about it.  can you set specific desktops to groups?
[10:44] <lynn_> i'm having trouble w/ ltsp
[10:45] <lynn_> anybody know how to netboot a powerpc thinclient?
[10:45] <Paul_UK> thru pxe?
[10:45] <ogra> you need a special dhcpd.conf
[10:46] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/dhcpd.conf
[10:46] <ogra> use that one as base
[10:46] <ogra> lynn_, ^^^
[10:46] <lynn_> thanks, i'll try it
[10:46] <ogra> :)
[10:47] <Paul_UK> ogra, is there a way to turn off ssh?
[10:47] <ogra> Paul_UK, you can use XDMCP with the loss odf all security and most of the features (sound/local devices)
[10:47] <Paul_UK> oh need the sound.
[10:48] <Paul_UK> ok last question, can you set a desktop to a group?
[10:57] <lynn_> ogra, do you know what command i should use to boot the thin-client?
[10:57] <lynn_> from yaboot?
[10:58] <ogra> there is a key combo you have to press to make  ppc netboot, i dont know it from the top of my head its a while ago i had to poke on ppc
[11:02] <lynn_> i held down "n", and it flashed a globe for a sec, but then fell back to the hard-drive
[11:12] <lynn_> ogra, did that dhcpd.conf work for you?
[11:16] <ogra> lynn_, yes
[11:16] <john_s> Hi all,
[11:17] <ogra> hey
[11:17] <john_s> Are they're any LTSP guru's local to the NW US on this channel?
[11:17] <john_s> Hey Ogra
[11:17] <john_s> Thanks for the help yesterday
[11:17] <ogra> NW like in north west ?
[11:17] <john_s> yes
[11:18] <ogra> there are some in the east ... maine michigan etc
[11:18] <john_s> I am wondering if anyone else is doing this thing within eyeball distance of me
[11:18] <john_s> yeah, I know that LTSP isn't folks main focus here, but I thought I would ask :)
[11:19] <ogra> well, i just dont know any from the westcoast but that doesnt mean there arent any :)
[11:20] <john_s> yeah
[11:20] <john_s> fair enough
[11:21] <john_s> what part of the world are you in?
[11:21] <lynn_> ogra, did you have to have to specify the hosts specifically in the dhcpd.conf?
[11:23] <ogra> lynn_, i used the file i gave to you 1:1
[11:24] <ogra> john_s, germany
[11:24] <ogra> but 1/3 of the year travelling arond (at least it feels like that)
[11:24] <john_s> Lucky you! I won't bug you anymore sounds like your busy and so am I
[11:24] <john_s> Ah well hopefully thats fun for you?
[11:25] <ogra> indeed it is
[11:25] <john_s> kewl
[11:25] <ogra> building edubuntu and promoting it is the best job i can imagine ;)
[11:25] <john_s> I would imagine so, it seems like a neat, eclectic crowd
[11:26] <john_s> also good for the world, which is a rare and happy thing
[11:26] <john_s> ok, bye and thanks!
[11:27] <lynn_> ogra, did you get it working with a mac?  i may be doing something else wrong
[11:27] <Meshezabeel> heya, I am creating some language learning software and need to use the Canadian Aboriginal Unicode fonts that are under Character Map. In edubuntu 6.10 none of them show up, in 7.04, some of them show up, but not all of them. What do I need to do to get all of them to show up? For example 1401 through 1406 show up, then 1407 to 1409 are missing, etc.
[11:27] <ogra> lynn_, yes, i got it working with a mac ... what did you do so far ?
[11:28] <ogra> Meshezabeel, if you know font names (instead of numbers) you might be able to find them in synaptic
[11:30] <lynn_> i got an i386 thin client running properly, then did the ltsp-build-kernel on an old mac, it said it built it successfully, but we can't get the ppc thin-clients running
[11:30] <Meshezabeel> ogra, in Character map it shows up as "Canadian Aboriginal" doesn't this mean the font is installed on the computer if it knows it's name?
[11:31] <lynn_> i replaced the dhcp.conf with the one u gave me, restarted the dhcp3-server successfully, but still cannot boot any macs
[11:32] <ogra> Meshezabeel, try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=170141
[11:33] <ogra> lynn_, how did you build your client for the ppc ?
[11:34] <lynn_> i mounted the /opt/ltsp file on a powerpc from the server, then ran ltsp-build-client
[11:34] <ogra> ok
[11:35] <ogra> you need ltsp-server installed on your server as well
[11:35] <ogra> and run ltsp-update-kernels and ltsp-udate-sshkeys
[11:36] <lynn_> i think i already did that, but i'll try again, thanks
[11:36] <ogra> http://elliot.ecowizards.com/wp/archives/2006/05/18/ltsp-booting-old-mac-hardware/
[11:36] <ogra> thats a bit better than the wii doc
[11:37] <ogra> *wiki
[11:38] <ogra> seems the wiki instructions dont wokr on all macs (they are from an G4 ibook)
[11:39] <lynn_> ok ogra, i just tried what u said and i got a "can't read elf" error.  I'll check out that wiki
[11:39] <Meshezabeel> thanks ogra
[11:39] <ogra> cant read elf ? that sounds like a wrong architecture
[11:39] <ogra> are yu sure you got a powerpc chroot in /opt/ltsp ? not i386 ?
[11:40] <lynn_> both folders are in there, how do I make it point to ppc?
[11:41] <ogra> the dhcpd.conf "root-path" needs to point to powerpc for the ppc clients
[11:42] <lynn_> i'm using the one u gave me and it does that for sure
[11:46] <racter> ogra do you have a sample yaboot.conf that you used?
[11:47] <racter> could it be a problem w/that?  we are just using whatever was generated by ltsp-build-client
[11:47] <ogra> hmm, not handy, the script should have generated one though
[11:48] <ogra> so how far does your boot get ? do you see any kernel messages or does it already hang in openfirmware ?
[11:48] <lynn_> can't read elf
[11:48] <racter> it just hangs in open firmware
[11:49] <ogra> (read since 7 months or so)
[11:50] <ogra> racter, i think there is a way t boot from opefirmware in verbose mode so you could see more errors (not sure though)
[11:50] <tristan_> anyone here who can help me with something offtopic?
[11:50] <tristan_> I'm looking for a new haircut
[11:50] <ogra> also check the server logs if you even get requests from the client
[11:51] <tristan_> I was thinking of shaving linux backwards on the back of my head
[11:52] <racter> ogra: we are definitely getting requests showing up in /var/log/syslog
[11:54] <ogra> on tftp as well or only for dhcp ?
[11:54] <racter> how can we check tftp?
[11:54] <racter> i'd like to check that out
[11:54] <ogra> it should show up in syslog
[11:54] <racter> o ok - nothing there
[11:54] <racter> ps aux | grep tftp is empty also
[11:54] <racter> should it be running?
[11:54] <racter> sorry n/m it's running
[11:55] <racter> /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot
[11:58] <ogra> no, it shouldnt
[11:58] <racter> sorry?
[11:58] <ogra> it wil break if you run it as a static daemon, it needs to run from inetd to serve kernel and initramfs
[11:59] <ogra> ltsp-server should have set that up for ou during install ...
[12:00] <racter> ok it's set up in inetd; not sure how it got running as a daemon but i killed it
[12:00] <racter> but still can't read elf
[12:01] <ogra> do you see tftp requests now ?
[12:01] <racter> no still no requests in syslog
[12:01] <racter> nothing about tftp in there
[12:03] <ogra> well, that your tftpd was running is a bt strange
[12:03] <ogra> make sure you have disabled it in /etc/default so it doesnt break in the future
[12:04] <lynn_> ok done
[12:08] <racter> any idea what would stop the client from requesting a rom by tftp?
[12:09] <Meshezabeel> tristan_: nah, if you want a decent haircut then you should shave into it supercalifragilelisticexpiealladocious.
[12:12] <Meshezabeel> er, I guess it's spelt: Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
[12:15] <racter> ok i tried running a little tftp session independent of netbooting and there are no messages in syslog about it