[12:16] <Riddell> Lure: done
[12:17] <Lure> Riddell: thanks, have subscribed ubuntu-archive
[12:19] <Riddell> fabo: what creates .version files in the guidance package?
[12:37] <Daskreech> manchicken: They do release a lot of code as well
[12:37] <manchicken> Daskreech: What now?
[12:38] <Daskreech> Google
[12:38] <Daskreech> They do release internal code to oss
[12:38] <Daskreech> Just boring stuff :)
[12:38] <Riddell> they do?
[12:39] <Riddell> I've never noticed that, except where they have to
[12:40] <mhb> I'm happy with them paying the SoC :o)
[12:41] <Daskreech> http://code.google.com/projects.html
[12:43] <Riddell> ah, right, spose so
[12:43] <manchicken> Daskreech: I don't recall saying anything about Google today.
[12:43] <Daskreech> manchicken: me either
[12:44] <Daskreech> I thought it about time :-)
[12:44] <manchicken> Oh.  Googles contributions are insufficient to make up for the privacy and freedom violations they've committed.
[12:44] <Riddell> I've not noticed any of them either
[12:45] <manchicken> I've noticed a lot of proprietary stuff and a lot of disingenuous grooming of the Free Software community. :)
[02:27] <Daskreech> manchicken: yeah I said they were boring stuff :0
[02:50] <jjesse> was someone looking for me?
[02:52] <Daskreech> hi kwwii
[02:53] <jjesse> hello Daskreech
[02:53] <Daskreech> hi jjesse :)
[02:53] <Daskreech> How are you?
[02:54] <jjesse> good, frustrated at my dog, who insists he has to go outside and then nothing
[02:54] <kwwii> hi Daskreech, jjesse, all
[02:55] <Daskreech> jjesse: maybe he wants to walk
[02:55] <jjesse> its not time for that yet
[02:55] <kwwii> or maybe he is messing with your mind
[02:55] <jjesse> he goes at nine thirty
[02:55] <jjesse> every day
[02:55] <jjesse> loading up a gutsy vm right now :)
[02:55] <kwwii> dogs are a lot smarter than you think :-)
[02:56] <Daskreech> :-)
[03:10] <claydoh> my 3 dogs are definitely smarter than me
[03:12] <claydoh> they can tell when I am  faking sleep early in the am
[03:12] <nosrednaekim> I read on your wiki that some apps needed to be programmed. Are any of these apps in Python?
[03:14] <Daskreech> claydoh: They know your mensis :-)
[03:16] <claydoh> maybe, but it still suck if I acidently wake up at 4 a,m, they all wanna go outside
[03:19] <Daskreech> Oh that yeah
[03:22] <Daskreech> wait that gets developed?
[03:23] <Daskreech> ha ha :)
[03:24] <claydoh> 0.9 has, get this, wizard driven online banking setup that *works*!!
[03:25] <Daskreech> Joking
[03:25] <Daskreech> it pretends to be IE? :)
[03:34] <claydoh> lol I have yet to use IE7
[03:34] <nosrednaekim> hi, I'm not sure if this is the place to ask, but i'm trying to register up on kubuntu.org, and its stalling.
[03:36] <Daskreech> claydoh: how nice is it to use?
[03:36] <Daskreech>  I was going to use it a while back for personal finances then I ran out of finances to manage :(
[03:37] <claydoh> well it works, in stable versions, but ofx was always hit and miss
[03:38] <claydoh> being too lazy to manually enter transactions makes a working ofx very handy
[03:39] <claydoh> OFX direct connectis broken/missing in Feisty/edgy
[03:40] <Daskreech> so you can od ofx and it catalogs them automatically?
[03:40] <claydoh> hadn't tried it in a long time, so I decided to compile from cvs instead of stable, and viola
[03:40] <claydoh> yes
[03:41] <claydoh> before, I had to set Konq file association for manually downloaded ofx files
[03:41] <claydoh> now, it is Just Like Quicken
[03:42] <claydoh> kinda
[03:42] <claydoh> missing a big "download transactions" button tho
[03:43] <claydoh> quicken was the last win app Ikept, until they removed support for it and force me to buy the new version
[03:43] <claydoh> 2003 i think
[03:43] <Daskreech> yeah
[03:43] <Daskreech> with the subscriptions
[03:48] <claydoh> when i say my last windows app of course does not mean games :)
[03:48] <Daskreech> :-P
[03:48] <Daskreech> Yeah
[03:48] <Daskreech> Duh
[04:18] <ryanakca> exit
[04:18] <ryanakca> oops, sorry
[04:23] <Daskreech> :-)
[04:32] <RadiantFire> mhb?
[04:32] <jjesse> grin :)
[04:32] <jjesse> nice one Daskreech
[04:32] <Daskreech> jjesse: Which one? :)
[04:33] <jjesse> the exit :)
[04:33] <Daskreech> ah
[04:43] <jjesse> slow night??
[04:47] <Daskreech> yeah
[05:46] <Hobbsee> hi all
[05:47] <Daskreech> hi Hobbsee
[05:47] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:49] <Daskreech> how are you
[05:50] <Hobbsee> meh
[05:50] <Hobbsee> i'm attemtping to summon the energy to get up and actually do anything
[05:50] <Hobbsee> and knetworkmanager is being painful
[05:53] <Daskreech> Yeah it does that
[05:53] <Hobbsee> which is surprising, as it didnt used to
[05:57] <Daskreech> Hobbsee: What about posting with a language?
[05:57] <Hobbsee> Daskreech: sorry?
[06:00] <Daskreech> Hobbsee: You had a blog post a few days ago
[06:01] <Daskreech> something about posting in a different language that sounded too much like it was something you had hit in RL
[06:10] <Hobbsee> Daskreech: i dont understand
[06:10] <Hobbsee> oh, the harassment one?
[06:10] <Daskreech> Yeah
[06:11] <Hobbsee> i have hit most of that in real life, yes
[06:12] <Daskreech> Someone being offensive because of speaking a different language?
[06:13] <Daskreech>  or pretending to not be offensive by speaking a different language?
[06:13] <Hobbsee> i didnt say that in a blog post
[06:13] <Hobbsee> i said "just because something is OK in one culture, does that mean it's okay in all of them?" type idea
[06:14] <Daskreech> Yeah you also said before that that at what point in a post do you decide that it's not the language barrier that the person is just being rude
[06:14] <Daskreech>  type
[06:15] <Daskreech> idea. sounded like something specific :)
[06:15] <Hobbsee> true that
[06:15] <Hobbsee> sure.  didnt you see \sh's sexy lady from au post?
[06:16] <Daskreech> Nope
[06:16] <Daskreech> was it on planet ubuntu?
[06:18] <Hobbsee> it was
[06:19] <Hobbsee> Daskreech: http://linux.blogweb.de/
[06:20] <Hobbsee> Daskreech: specifically http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/301-Ubuntu-is-going-to-be-sexy....html
[06:21] <nixternal> holy jeebus...writing cmake files aren't all that fun
[06:21] <nixternal> Hobbsee: I don't care what people say, Kubuntu is secksy
[06:22] <nixternal> and I am still pissed that I wasn't considered secksy!
[06:22] <Hobbsee> nixternal: heh
[06:22] <nixternal> haha, or better yet, Fat Bastard
[06:22] <nixternal> get in ma belly
[06:23] <Hobbsee> nixternal: you really want the guys to think of you as sexy?
[06:24] <nixternal> hey, better then me thinking I am just to curb the lonelyness
[06:24] <nixternal> ;p
[06:24] <nixternal> haha
[06:24] <Daskreech> Hobbsee: is that link right?
[06:25] <Hobbsee> yes
[06:25] <Hobbsee> if you take teh whole link
[06:25] <Daskreech> as in append .html ?
[06:25] <Daskreech> duh
[06:25] <Hobbsee> take the whole link, as is, including the 4 .'s
[06:25] <Daskreech> not htlm
[06:25] <Hobbsee> indeed
[06:25] <Hobbsee> you could just copy paste it
[06:26] <Daskreech> one dot works as well ...
[06:26] <Daskreech> but ok
[06:27] <Hobbsee> ah right
[06:27] <Hobbsee> i have no idea why it was done that way
[06:27] <Hobbsee> hi mhb
[07:55] <Jucato> Hobbsee: but you are secksy! (and nixternal isn't) :P
[07:55] <Hobbsee> Jucato: :P
[07:59] <crimsun> poor Vista user he is :\
[08:03] <Hobbsee> yeah
[08:03] <Hobbsee> crimsun: nixternal isnt serious aobut anything except his pointy-clicky Vista love.  he said so last night.
[09:08] <Tonio_> hey
[09:12] <Lure> hi Tonio_
[09:13] <Tonio_> hey lure :)
[09:29] <Tonio_> Lure: little question concerning libdvdread
[09:29] <Tonio_> Lure: debian added the builddep to add dvd ripping function to k3b
[09:29] <Tonio_> Lure: shouldn't we try to get libdvdread in main to do the same ?
[09:29] <Lure> Tonio_: that would be great
[09:30] <Tonio_> Lure: I think so....
[09:30] <Tonio_> Lure: yeah I know, I did the medibuntu package :)
[09:30] <Tonio_> Lure: okay let's add this to todo again then.....
[09:30] <Tonio_> Lure: still no internet connection at home........
[09:30] <Tonio_> :'(
[09:30] <Lure> Tonio_: it looks like french ISP suck
[09:30] <Lure> ;-)
[09:31] <Tonio_> Lure: no they globally rock, as long as you don't have a problem
[09:32] <Tonio_> the problem is that there are 2 telecom services, and each one pretends this is the others fault
[09:32] <Tonio_> the issue is that I have to go through the all process of validating everything even if I know where the problem is
[09:32] <Tonio_> it takes one hour to fix, not more........
[09:33] <Tonio_> but they have to test this, and that, and then this again etc.......
[09:33] <Tonio_> Lure: f*cking bureaucraty.......;
[09:33] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: last i knew, libdvdread was in main
[09:34] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: it's in universe.......
[09:34] <Tonio_> maybe demoted or so, I don't know....;
[09:34] <Hobbsee> okay, when i last modified it, it was in main
[09:35] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: so it would be easy to get it in main then....
[09:43] <Hobbsee> true
[09:43] <Hobbsee> i've no idea hwy it was demoted
[09:45] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: maybe because there is no more application in main using this ? :)
[09:45] <Hobbsee> quite possibly
[09:45] <Tonio_> hum, I have a couple of improvements for kds too....... let's upload
[09:45] <Hobbsee> :)
[09:46] <Tonio_> I found a few things to improve while working for the french parliament :)
[09:46] <Hobbsee> what are they?
[09:46] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: can do alt+print to catch the window and not the full screen
[09:46] <Tonio_> for example
[09:47] <Hobbsee> in ksnapshot?
[09:47] <Tonio_> yup
[09:47] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[09:47] <Tonio_> well using ksnapshot -c in fact
[09:47] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: do you know what is the status for the new usb stuff unmount thing from fdoving ?
[09:48] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: we should upload the package to revu right now, then get it in universe, and then in main etc.......
[09:48] <Tonio_> will be long, so we should start right now
[09:48] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i believe he said it was going thru you
[09:48] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: it is
[09:48] <Hobbsee> it looks good ot me, but mine keeps erroring out with the newest block anyway
[09:48] <Tonio_> but as I have no internet connection for at least 10 days........
[09:48] <Hobbsee> yeah, fair enough
[09:48] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I haven't been very active due to that recently
[09:49] <Hobbsee> yeah, fair enough
[09:49] <Tonio_> one month without a connection
[09:49] <Tonio_> my girlfriend is happy of this, I'm not :)
[09:49] <Hobbsee> i thought it was already on revu?
[09:49] <Hobbsee> haha
[09:49] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: it isn't, bt I'll upload today, will you revu this ?
[09:49] <Hobbsee> get fdoving to upload it, if you want
[09:49] <Hobbsee> in fact, i thought it might already be there.
[09:50] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: well I think there was a couple of things to fix in fdoving package.....
[09:50] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: will do that today
[09:50] <Tonio_> I'd like to get that in soon
[09:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[09:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have a fix, as you know, for the usplash on shutdown
[09:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: but I'd like to discuss with you about the way to implement this
[09:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: as this requires touching init.d files....
[09:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: dpkg-divert seems the nice way to do it, but that means beeing carefully to provide a file that feets the latest provided by kdm and the usplash packages.......
[09:52] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ah, koay
[09:52] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: there's a meeting tomorrow, btw.
[09:52] <Hobbsee> where tomorrow may equal anything in your tz
[09:53] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: you can upload, and you only need one other ack.  i'm fine to do that other ack, once on a linux-based system.
[09:53] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: which time ?
[09:53] <Tonio_> the meeting ?
[09:54] <_marseillais> 23 heures
[09:54] <Tonio_> tomorrow or today ?
[09:54] <_marseillais> today
[09:54] <Hobbsee> ^ topic
[09:54] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hum, right :)
[09:55] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I can't be there, as there is no internet home......
[09:56] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: are we deciding the new council toonight ?
[09:56] <Hobbsee> proposing, at least,  ithnk
[09:56] <Hobbsee> got suggestions?
[09:57] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: well I'm undecided if I wanna stay a member or not...
[09:57] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'd like too but we need to rotate people....
[09:57] <Hobbsee> why so?
[09:57] <Hobbsee> if we're rotatingn half...
[09:57] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: well who are we rotating then ?
[09:57] <Hobbsee> i'd still like to see you on there
[09:57] <Tonio_> toma and ?
[09:57] <Hobbsee> allee, toma, raphink, iirc
[09:58] <Tonio_> hum, well raphink makes sense as he doesn't have that much free time now
[09:58] <Tonio_> I think we should keep allee
[09:58] <Tonio_> but that's my opinion
[09:58] <Tonio_> allee thinks I should be prior to him.......
[09:58] <raphink> I told Riddell that I might not be very useful in the council aznymore
[09:58] <Tonio_> undecision sucks :)
[09:58] <raphink> given my poor contributions lately
[09:58] <Hobbsee> hehe.  both of you think they should step down.
[09:59] <raphink> well I'm not being very useful there
[09:59] <raphink> I'm more useful mentoring in the MOTU team
[09:59] <raphink> or contributing to upstream projects
[09:59] <raphink> that's what I'm doing mostly lately, and it's easier for me because that's where I work
[09:59] <Hobbsee> you remind me of some people at work.  "oh, i'll pay" "no i'll pay"  (rinse and repeat 10x).  "oh just give me hte flipping money..."
[10:00] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: the point is that if I'm not a member of the council, who will force the decision to remove kexi ? ^_^
[10:00] <Tonio_> I should stay a member at least till kexi is removed from the cd :)
[10:00] <Hobbsee> hehe
[10:01] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: well btw I'd like to stay there as I think I can be usefull on that point
[10:01] <Hobbsee> it's not like you cant make decions bing on there
[10:01] <Hobbsee> ooh...lag
[10:01] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i think so too
[10:01] <Tonio_> but I'll leave if we need to rotate one more people
[10:10] <Hobbsee> we'll see
[10:15] <fabo> Riddell: yes, it is dh_pysupport.
[10:35] <Riddell> fabo: but how do I make it stop?
[10:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: hi ;)
[10:39] <Hobbsee> morning Riddell
[10:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: talking about the fix for the usplash on shutdown, are you okay with 2 init.d files provided with kds and dpkg-divert rules ?
[10:44] <Riddell> Tonio_: why two?
[10:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: because to get the complete usplash we need to patch init.d/kdm and init.d/usplash
[10:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: second part of the shutdown process is done via usplash
[10:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: in case we only patch one, we don't get the all shutdown graphically
[10:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: tested on 1000 pcs, that works :)
[10:46] <Riddell> ok, so edit those files, why the need for the diverts?
[10:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: because touching etc files is a policy violation
[10:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: and those files are provided by packages, so touching then requires human action to approve or reject at every update of usplash of kdm
[10:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: divert them makes upgrade silent, and is respecfull reguarding to the debian policy :)
[10:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: btw, I think we should consider doing a divert for the kdmrc and backgroundrc files too, instead of doing a sed....
[10:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: what I did for the french parliament is a third binary package from kds
[10:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: kind of kubuntu-etc-files
[10:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: and doing divert for those files
[10:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: we should consider this for kubuntu in my opinion no ?
[10:49] <Riddell> what's wrong with editing init.d/kdm and init.d/usplash in the packaging?
[10:50] <fabo> Riddell: why do you want to make it stop ? we need .version to support specific python version
[10:51] <Riddell> fabo: because it creates the .version file in all three packages so it overlaps
[10:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: ho you mean in the packaging ?
[10:51] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes
[10:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum nothing's wrong there, except I'd like to be sure touching usplash doesn't create any issue
[10:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: that can impact gnome too
[10:51] <Riddell> well write it in such a way that it doesn't :)
[10:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: lol
[10:52] <Riddell> kdm will get installed by gnome users too, including those that still use gdm
[10:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: well it shouldn't cause any trouble btw
[10:52] <Riddell> if it doesn't cause any trouble then change the init file installed by usplash
[10:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: yup
[10:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll also have to remove your kdm patch for usplash
[10:53] <Riddell> of course
[10:53] <Tonio_> let's go then :)
[10:53] <Riddell> but but, I spent two days on that patch!
[10:53] <Riddell> (and it's still crap)
[11:06] <mhb> good morning
[11:06] <fabo> Riddell: i asked python-support dev. POV, but i wonder why i've got it only in powermanager ...
[11:21] <Riddell> fabo: by the way I changed mv powermanager/*.py $(PYSUPPORT_PATH)  to   cp powermanager/*.py $(PYSUPPORT_PATH)
[11:22] <Riddell> since mv was changing the sources
[11:25] <morn|eri> Riddell: out of curiosity, how's python and spurious CPU wakeups? :)
[11:26] <morn|eri> anyone here tried powertop on kubuntu already?
[11:26] <morn|eri> and what results?
[11:27] <Riddell> morn|eri: I havn't, although we included Kretz's patch for arts from his powertop searching
[11:27] <Riddell> I don't see why python in general would be bad for cpu wakeups
[11:28] <fabo> i applied matthias patch on arts for infos. nothing to report atm.
[11:29] <morn|eri> Riddell: i have noticed some interpreter stuff in powertop when running amarok, from the scripts
[11:29] <morn|eri> Riddell: may or may not be case with other scripted apps
[11:30] <fabo> Riddell: i wonder if the bug is to use PYSUPPORT_PATH everywhere ... it must use /usr/share/python-support/$PACKAGE
[11:31] <Riddell> fabo: for now I've worked around it by just not using pyversions
[11:32] <fabo> i'll do the test to confirm
[11:37] <morn|eri> but the powertop thing is really great
[11:37] <morn|eri> running a tickless kernel with the funky patches and doing some userspace tuning -does- improve battery life
[11:38] <Lure> morn|eri: I run powertop
[11:38] <morn|eri> 2 hours on wireless already and still 3.5h left
[11:38] <Lure> morn|eri: there are still other offenders before powermanager ;-)
[11:38] <morn|eri> ~12 watt
[11:39] <Lure> morn|eri: my bigest problem is usb (bluetooth)
[11:39] <morn|eri> autosuspend seems to work here
[11:39] <morn|eri> no bt tho
[11:39] <Lure> morn|eri: it does 100 wakeups/sec when inactive (but turned on due to wireless)
[11:39] <morn|eri> icky
[11:40] <RadiantFire> Riddell: I have read somewhere that the python interactive shell wakes up ever 100 ms or something
[11:41] <Lure> RadiantFire: me to, but powermanager (python up) doe not get powertop list at all...
[11:41] <Lure> RadiantFire: I suspect python in ubuntu already has fix
[11:48] <Riddell> Tonio_: launchpad doesn't let me change the status of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-bluetooth
[11:48] <Riddell> Tonio_: if you think it's ready, please change to "pending approval"
[11:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure
[11:48] <Riddell> Tonio_: ah, wait
[11:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: scott approved it, sorted
[11:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: yep, that's what I saw
[11:54] <Riddell> ah yes, powertop doesn't like me because I'm not using acpi
[11:59] <Lure> Riddell: what do you use?
[12:00] <Riddell> Lure: a crappy laptop
[12:16] <kwwii> lol, should I suggest that JRT work on Kubuntu?
[12:17] <Riddell> kwwii: see when I said yesterday about you not doing art any more, it was a joke!  we love you!  don't leave us to JRT!
[12:21] <Riddell> kwwii: well, if he does rant again I think that's a good time to unsubscribe him from the list
[12:21] <Lure> Riddell: JRT?
[12:22] <Riddell> Lure: KDE's most famous non-contributor
[12:41] <kwwii> Riddell: :-) I sent a nice email asking him to stop - if he doesn't listen he is gone
[12:41] <kwwii> he is legally blind but wants to tell us how to do artwork :p
[12:59] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I was considering applying for kubuntu membership later today
[12:59] <Jucato> oh... the meeting's tomorrow :/
[01:00] <Riddell> _StefanS_: great!
[01:00] <Riddell> _StefanS_: make sure you make yourself a wiki page
[01:00] <Lure> _StefanS_: go for it! you have my support!
[01:00] <_StefanS_> Riddell: err, was the meeting yesterday ? :D
[01:00] <Lure> _StefanS_: not that I count ;-)
[01:00] <Riddell> _StefanS_: 10 hours time
[01:01] <_StefanS_> Riddell: okay, I will create a wiki
[01:01] <_StefanS_> Lure: thanks ;)
[01:23] <marseillai> Riddell: i've done a debdiff for this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/90801 with a patch i've found here : www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/openSUSE+KDE+Tweaks?content=59337 but i can't test it because i don't have a running gutsy
[01:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 90801 in kdebase "moving desktop icons on kde" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[01:24] <marseillai> do you want i give it to you or what should i do with it?
[01:26] <Riddell> marseillai: sure, attach the debdiff to the bug report
[01:26] <marseillai> oki
[01:33] <marseillai> done
[02:04] <Riddell> marseillai: by the way you can make gutsy in a chroot and run from there
[02:04] <marseillai> Riddell: i've tryed
[02:04] <Riddell> marseillai: what happened?
[02:04] <marseillai> my desktop is too old for this
[02:04] <Riddell> well yes, that's why you need the chroot
[02:04] <marseillai> it is really slow
[02:05] <jjesse> morning
[02:05] <Riddell> things won't be any slower in a chroot
[02:05] <Riddell> good morning jjesse
[02:05] <jjesse> morning Riddell or its probablly close to afternono for u
[02:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: FYI, due to missing internet connection at home, I'll not be there toonight
[02:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: can you during the meeting send to messages for me ?
[02:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: first is that I +1 marseillai for membership
[02:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: second is that as long as there is no problem to find the people to rotate, I think I can be usefull as member of the council for one more year, so I am candidate :)
[02:16] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: ready to approve kio-umountwrapper from fdoving ?
[02:17] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: will be on revu in 2 minutes
[02:18] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: -EWINDOWSXP
[02:19] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: is that a problem to approve the packaging ?
[02:19] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: works and builds, believe in me :)
[02:19] <Hobbsee> yes, because i'm not sure waht the password is
[02:19] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: ah
[02:19] <Hobbsee> feel free to upload and i'll ack late, if you like
[02:20] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: shame on you, vmware is free don't you remember ? ;)
[02:20] <Hobbsee> this is true
[02:20] <Tonio_> virtualbox too is, and works like a charm on kubuntu
[02:20] <Tonio_> that's the way I do my windows stuff now :)
[02:21] <Hobbsee> how is it performance-wise?
[02:21] <Lure> Tonio_: I can look at it
[02:23] <Tonio_> Lure: great, thanks :)
[02:23] <Tonio_> Lure: I forgot you were motu now :)
[02:28] <Lure> Tonio_: license in COPYING has wrong FSF address
[02:29] <Tonio_> Lure: ah ?
[02:29] <Lure> Tonio_: just something fdoving can fix in next upstream relase
[02:30] <Lure> Tonio_: same in some source files
[02:30] <Tonio_> Lure: well we'll tell him, but that's no reason to reject the package :)
[02:30] <Lure> Tonio_: right, just do not know why I cannot comment in revu
[02:30] <Lure> Tonio_: do I need to be in some special group?
[02:31] <Tonio_> Lure: no you just need to be motu afaik
[02:31] <Tonio_> Lure: are you authenticated ?
[02:31] <Tonio_> Lure: are you in the motu lp group ?
[02:31] <Tonio_> should work in that case afaik
[02:32] <Lure> Tonio_: I am logged in with my @ubuntu.com address and I am in MOTU in LP
[02:32] <Tonio_> Lure: you should ping siretart then
[02:33] <Tonio_> Lure: okay I don't wanna waste time on this :)
[02:34] <Tonio_> Lure: I approve on revu and upload, can you just add your comment when you get the permissions ?
[02:34] <Lure> Tonio_: yep, just do it - will do
[02:37] <siretart> Tonio_: sprry?
[02:38] <Tonio_> siretart: hey ;)
[02:38] <Tonio_> siretart: Lure is motu but doesn't appear to have commenting permissions on revu
[02:38] <Tonio_> siretart: what can explain that ?
[02:38] <siretart> Tonio_: that I need to set its level in revu's postgresdatabase? ;)
[02:39] <siretart> s/its/his/
[02:39] <Tonio_> siretart: ho you do that manually ? :) fun !
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> Lure: I get the information from /proc/acpi/battery
[02:41] <Riddell> there must be a way to get it from hal
[02:41] <Lure> nosrednaekim: not available through "lshal"?
[02:41] <Lure> nosrednaekim: we do not want to read /proc unless really important
[02:41] <Lure> Tonio_: add my support to revu
[02:41] <nosrednaekim> Ok. I'm looking to see if its in lshal
[02:42] <Tonio_> siretart: talking about ffmpeg, I just saw that latest version is in the repos for a few days
[02:42] <siretart> Tonio_: /srv/revu1-production/scripts/alter_user.py -lreviewer -elure@ubuntu.com
[02:43] <siretart> that's the command btw i need to issue
[02:43] <nosrednaekim> Lure: Riddell confirmed, its in lshal.
[02:43] <Tonio_> siretart: shold we wait for xine-lib to build or isn't that better to just reupload ?
[02:43] <siretart> Tonio_: the problem is that ffmpeg source is in main, but not the binaries
[02:43] <Lure> nosrednaekim: ok, great - they you can add it to popup by looking at other code
[02:44] <siretart> Tonio_: we need to have the binaries moved to main, and give back xine to the buildds
[02:44] <Tonio_> siretart: yes but that shouldn't impact the build right ?
[02:44] <Lure> nosrednaekim: send me a patch (lure@u.c) and I can review it and include in kde svn
[02:44] <siretart> Tonio_: 'giving back' means to let the buildds retry a previously failed build
[02:44] <nosrednaekim> Lure: Riddell in fact, you can even tell the current in hal while the AC adapter is plugged in..
[02:44] <nosrednaekim> which is nice.
[02:44] <nosrednaekim> Lure: ok.
[02:44] <siretart> Tonio_: feel free to ask an ftpmaster to do that
[02:44] <Tonio_> siretart: sure
[02:45] <Lure> nosrednaekim: do you maybe have some non-laptop batteries (wireless mouse, ups...)?
[02:45] <nosrednaekim> Lure: nope
[02:45] <Lure> nosrednaekim: we want to add support for that, but I am always to lazy to start that (as I do not have HW) ;-)
[02:45] <nosrednaekim> for what..UPS?
[02:46] <Lure> nosrednaekim: ups or mouse battery yes
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> I have a UPS ( but not on the computer)
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> (this
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> *this... can't type this morning
[02:46] <Lure> nosrednaekim: if it would be connected to computer and supported by HAL, we could easily add support for it
[02:46] <Lure> nosrednaekim: there is bug about it
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> mouse battery... that reports to hal? interesting.
[02:47] <Lure> nosrednaekim: bug 82277
[02:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 82277 in kde-guidance "[Feisty]  guidance-power-manager doesn't work for UPS on a desktop system" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82277
[02:48] <nosrednaekim> ah... ok...well maybe i'll see what I can do. The UPS is not attached to a ubuntu machine ( its my brother's gentoo box)
[02:48] <nosrednaekim> but I should be able to pull the hal output and see how to do it.
[02:52] <Riddell> Tonio_: gutsy not feisty!  also if you're uploading kdebase you could look at marseillai's patch on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/90801
[02:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 90801 in kdebase "moving desktop icons on kde" [Undecided,Fix committed] 
[02:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: argh, I missed that one......
[02:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's dch's fault ! ;)
[03:47] <Tonio_> siretart: just tried to build xine-lib on feisty, fails due to ghostscript broken
[03:48] <siretart> Tonio_: not my fault :)
[03:48] <Tonio_> I know :)
[03:48] <Tonio_> siretart: just to let you know as the maintainer :)
[03:51] <siretart> Tonio_: do you have a buildlog for me? feel free to bounce it to my ubuntu address
[03:58] <Tonio_> siretart: sure
[04:34] <fdoving> Tonio_: did you look at the kio-umountwrapper package yet? revu etc.
[04:37] <Tonio_> fdoving: yup
[04:37] <Tonio_> fdoving: it is in the main queue
[04:37] <Tonio_> New queue sorry
[04:37] <Tonio_> once in universe, I'll write the main inclusion report
[04:41] <Lure> fdoving: you may only want to update GPL licenses to point to new address of FSF, otherwise good work!
[04:47] <fdoving> Tonio_: did you see that comment from lure ? :)
[04:47] <fdoving> Lure: ok, thanks :)
[04:47] <Tonio_> fdoving: yep :)
[04:47] <Lure> fdoving: thank you!
[04:47] <fdoving> Tonio_: great. keep up the good work. i'll have to run again. more work. see you :)
[04:49] <fdoving> Tonio_: btw. the don't refresh desktop-icons-kdeeject-hack leaves old icons around the desktop if you umount from media:/ - or it did that once here. do you experience that too?
[04:49] <fdoving> i have not tested it very much. i just noticed it once.
[04:49] <fdoving> anyway.. have to run. bye.
[04:50] <Tonio_> fdoving: yep, but we're not supposed to have media:/ :)
[06:16] <Riddell> Tonio_: shall I merge kdebluetooth?
[06:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: well we'll probably look at packaging kdebluetooth-dbus-integration no ?
[06:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: if so, merging kdebluetooth might be a waste of time
[06:35] <Riddell> Hobbsee: you need to give me your phone number again if you need a wake up call
[06:35] <Hobbsee> sure
[06:35] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i never got your message from UDS, btw
[06:36] <DaSkreech> hi Hobbsee Jucato
[06:36] <Hobbsee> heya DaSkreech
[06:36] <Jucato> hi DaSkreech
[06:36] <DaSkreech> how goes?
[06:36] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee! (still up?)
[06:36] <DaSkreech> sup?
[06:37] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yeah, stupidly.  i'll go to bed soon
[06:37] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i found i had so many assignments, and there was interesting stuff in the ubuntu dev meeting.
[06:37] <Jucato> er... I just realized that the meeting is just about 4 hours away?
[06:37] <DaSkreech> kubuntu meeting?
[06:37] <Jucato> yeah
[06:38] <Hobbsee> yep
[06:39] <Lure> is it just me, or kdm still does not have kubuntu theme in gutsy?
[06:40] <Jucato> hm... I just noticed mhb's proposal to turn off power manager's notification isn't in the agenda? was that resolved or withdrawn?
[06:40] <Jucato> DaSkreech: there is
[06:41] <DaSkreech> Bydefault?
[06:41] <Jucato> there's one in kde-look. Kubuntu user list
[06:41] <DaSkreech> oh yeah saw that one.
[06:41] <Jucato> I think we will be considering that for feisty... dunno w/ kwwi
[06:41] <Riddell> Lure: it doesn't?
[06:41] <Lure> Riddell: it never did for me since upgrade from feisty (a week ago)
[06:42] <Lure> Riddell: and system settings crashes :-(
[06:42] <Lure> Riddell: also only noticed this today ;-)
[06:42] <Lure> DaSkreech: that kind of theme I have now (with user selection ;-))
[06:42] <Jucato> what's new? :)
[06:43] <DaSkreech> Lure: :-) I was thinking that a choice like that should be given with the default packages
[06:43] <Lure> Jucato: it was discussed on ML, do not remeber if it was on agenda
[06:43] <Jucato> Lure: ok. just remembered it :)
[06:43] <Lure> DaSkreech: I am fine with that being changed - you need to talk to kwwii to design something nice
[06:44] <DaSkreech> Yeah I spoke with him after dapper
[06:44] <DaSkreech> forgot about it since then
[06:44] <Lure> Jucato: what about your kmilo enhancement - will we upload it (I got used to it - it is much nicer)
[06:44] <Jucato> Lure: you'll have to ask mhb. it was originally his request. I just put it on the agenda :)
[06:44] <Jucato> (somehow he had the idea that because he already had an agenda topic, he can't add others :)
[06:45] <Lure> Jucato: good
[06:45] <Lure> Jucato: he can add as many as he want
[06:45] <Jucato> mhb: heard that? :P
[06:46] <Hobbsee> Lure: does that apply to me too?
[06:46] <Lure> Hobbsee: of course
[06:46] <Jucato> btw, the KDM theme on kde-look I mentioned earlier uses kwwi's theme, just modified a bit to include a user list
[06:46] <Jucato> Hobbsee: no one dares limit the powers of the LongPointyStick :)
[06:46] <Hobbsee> haha
[06:46] <abattoir> the meeting is in around 4 hours 15 minutes, right?
[06:46] <nixternal> yup
[06:47] <Lure> Hobbsee: so you do not plan any sleep before meeting?
[06:47] <Hobbsee> Lure: i do plan to sleep, i think, and i'll hope like crazy that i wake up
[06:47] <Lure> Jucato: you are from similar timezone as Hobbsee, right?
[06:47] <Hobbsee> not sure how coherant i'll be, though, for a while
[06:47] <DaSkreech> maybe someone can call you?
[06:47] <Jucato> Lure: nope. +8 UTC. making the meeting 5:00 AM over here :)
[06:47] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: Riddell will
[06:48] <Jucato> he usually does :)
[06:48] <Lure> Jucato: auch even worse
[06:48] <Jucato> heh no worries. it's not like we have meetings every month :P
[06:48] <nixternal> that was a low blow ;p
[06:48] <jjesse> are we going to have meetings more frequently hten?
[06:49] <DaSkreech> Hmm?
[06:49] <Jucato> Hobbsee: you might want to take just a short nap, not more than 30 or 45 minutes. might be better than sleeping
[06:49] <jjesse> i ment are we going to have more regular meetings ?
[06:49] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i tend to wake up pretty groggy
[06:49] <Hobbsee> jjesse: yes
[06:49] <Riddell> jjesse: hope so
[06:49] <Hobbsee> jjesse: it's a problem of hobbseeslackness.
[06:49] <jjesse> good, cause i can't make this one
[06:49] <Jucato> nixternal: lower than you not being secksy? :P
[06:50] <Hobbsee> but no idea about in hte next week or so, as... at last count, there's 2 opto200 assignments 1 opto230 assignment, 3 electronics assignments, the last one being due in a week, 3 physics assignments, 1 report, 1 lab....
[06:50] <Hobbsee> most of which to do before next friday.
[06:51] <DaSkreech> Sounds like you need a minion
[06:51] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:51] <Hobbsee> it looks like i'm goign to say "too bad" to 2.5 of the physics assignments, and a whole heap of electronics
[06:52] <Hobbsee> opto ones i can hand in next semester, i think, report is for over the break
[06:52] <Hobbsee> so i might cope
[06:54] <Jucato> poor Hobbsee :`(
[06:54] <Hobbsee> yay, UDS, and getting sick afterwards
[07:01] <yuriy> Hobbsee: what kind of stuff are you doing in electronics?
[07:01] <Hobbsee> yuriy: op amps, at the moment.  linear stuff
[07:02] <Hobbsee> linear circuits
[07:02] <Hobbsee> stuff i dont really understand much
[07:04] <yuriy> i think i understand opamps, but i may very well not remember anything at this point
[07:04] <nixternal> Hobbsee: op amps are fun though
[07:05] <Hobbsee> heh
[07:05] <Hobbsee> true
[07:05] <Hobbsee> i just dont understand much of the complex ones
[07:05] <Hobbsee> and the non ideal cases and such
[07:05] <nixternal> ya, I would have to brush up on them myself
[07:05] <Jucato> all I remember about electronics is getting burned with the soldering iron :)
[07:05] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:05] <nixternal> hahahahahahaha
[07:05] <nixternal> I just burnt myself the other day actually not paying attention
[07:05] <nixternal> been a while since I did that last
[07:07] <Hobbsee> i cant sleep if not tired, though.
[07:08] <Hobbsee> which is hte problem
[07:09] <yuriy> Hobbsee: i don't htink we went that in-depth
[07:09] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[07:10] <yuriy> we made analog adders and subtractors with them, and some sort of feedback circuit, that's about it
[07:16] <Hobbsee> hehe, i'm looking forward to seeing that
[07:16] <DaSkreech> Raptor is so going to own :)
[07:19] <Jucato> hm... there are updates in tb?
[07:20] <Hobbsee> tb?
[07:20] <Jucato> techbase
[07:20] <Jucato> sorry to lazy to type.. fingers hurt already :)
[07:21] <Hobbsee> ahhhh
[07:21] <DaSkreech> No they have a meeting going on now I'm sitting in
[07:21] <DaSkreech> and I've been reading http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Plasma/Menu
[07:22] <Jucato> ah ok
[07:22] <Jucato> I was under the impression that raptor was qutie dormant. glad to see it alive again
[07:22] <Jucato> although not really sure I know enough about it to root for it as *the* next K Menu :)
[07:26] <DaSkreech> It sounds roxors
[07:42] <marseillai> first episode of first season of heroes! a woman is using kde and kopete! :)
[07:42] <DaSkreech> marseillai: Yeah thats how I found out about heros :)
[07:42] <DaSkreech> I've only watched that episode though :(
[07:42] <marseillai> DaSkreech: honnestly
[07:43] <marseillai> i prefer the girl that kde .... :p
[07:43] <DaSkreech> marseillai: yeah it was on the dot the day after Heroes debuted
[07:43] <marseillai> but it's good to see kde and linux more often in films
[07:43] <marseillai> oh
[07:43] <marseillai> didn't saw it
[07:43] <marseillai> true that i don't read every days the dot.
[07:44] <Jucato> sssh no spoilers please :)
[07:44] <n8k99> hehe
[07:48] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Umm ok there is no Flash of Blue and kopete in there .. .at all..
[07:48] <DaSkreech> Oh and Al gore doesn't guest star
[07:49] <Jucato> I've seen the first 2 episodes :)
[07:50] <n8k99> in the third episode there is a young kde developer from manila who has the power to melt motherboards
[07:50] <RadiantFire> of course there is
[07:50] <RadiantFire> the most useful power ever...
[07:50] <Jucato> yay!!! :)
[07:51] <Jucato> fortunately, I'm not in manila bwahahaha
[07:51] <Jucato> (but quite close)
[07:53] <RadiantFire> imagine, being able to solder chips onto the board with the power of your mind... dead useful
[07:55] <RadiantFire> mmm... focus follows dream... almost like focus follows mind
[07:55] <DaSkreech> RadiantFire: wouldn't that be nsfw most of the time?
[07:55] <RadiantFire> perhaps
[08:00] <yuriy> marseillai: really?? cool
[08:30] <mhb> Jucato: I know that ... but I did not want to have the only two agenda points at that time :o)
[08:59] <ubuntu__> hii hunger
[08:59] <hunger> hi there.
[08:59] <DaSkreech> Khalkhi is stalled?
[09:00] <hunger> DaSkreech: Last thing I heared friedrich said he won't have time for it.
[09:00] <DaSkreech> right I saw a "final" release on KDE apps
[09:00] <hunger> which kind of sucks as that stalls decibel...
[09:02] <DaSkreech> Does he have roadmap as to what needs to be done?
[09:03] <hunger> Dunno. When I last talked to him in March he was still on it. Only got a mail a couple of days later about having RL interfeer.
[09:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: just fyi, I'm currently working on kdesudo code
[09:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: I've made it to work correctly
[09:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: it remembers the password, respects sudo rules etc....
[09:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: needs a bit of polishing, but I'll release a tarball soon
[09:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: hopefully we could use it as a kdesu replacement
[09:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: talking about the code, it isn't really outdated, as very simple and light
[09:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: it should resolve most of the issues we have with kdesu
[09:25] <yuriy> what exactly is kdesudo?
[09:26] <yuriy> it's just like kdesu but by someone else?
[09:40] <toma> am i on time?
[09:42] <nixternal> nope
[09:42] <nixternal> you are early
[09:42] <nixternal> ;D
[09:42] <toma> omg
[09:43] <nixternal> haha
[09:43] <toma> how much too early? 15 minutes?
[09:43] <jjesse> an hour right?
[09:43] <hunger_t> too early for what?
[09:43] <jjesse> @time detroit
[09:43] <ubotu> Current time in America/Detroit: May 31 2007, 15:43:52 - Next meeting: Kubuntu Developers in 1 hour 16 minutes
[09:44] <toma> @time culemborg
[09:45] <toma> ok, then i can see an episode of prison break
[10:06] <marseillai_> there is currently a big storm here
[10:07] <jjesse> where is here?
[10:07] <marseillai_> my home marseille
[10:07] <marseillai_> i hope i'll be able to come to meeting
[10:07] <marseillai_> but i can't be certain of that
[10:08] <nixternal> heh, there is a big storm here as well
[10:08] <marseillai_> where ?
[10:08] <nixternal> chicago
[10:08] <jjesse> chicago
[10:09] <marseillai_> you are both from chicago ?
[10:09] <nixternal> although, I am thinking it is about over
[10:09] <nixternal> marseillai_: he is from across the pond ;)
[10:09] <jjesse> no, nixternal is i'm from michagn
[10:09] <nixternal> I am from Michigan too!!! :)
[10:09] <jjesse> acording to weather.com it looks like it is still comming in to the chi-town area
[10:09] <nixternal> well originally, born there at least and live the first 4 years of my life there
[10:09] <nixternal> ya, but it seems to be dying out and turning into rain
[10:09] <nixternal> I haven't heard thunder for a bit now
[10:10] <nixternal> and from where I am sitting, I can see the skies have lightened up a bit
[10:11] <marseillai_> me is just in the storm
[10:11] <marseillai_> and i know my house and my net doesn't like storm
[10:13] <nixternal> I have been lucky with the storms and not knocking me out
[10:15] <yuriy>  [[1=1] (status) [2=2] #ubuntu-massachusetts [3=3] #guru [4=4] #kubuntu [5=5] #kubuntu-devel [6=6] #ubuntu-us-ne [7=7] #ubuntu+1    ] 
[10:16] <yuriy>  [[1=1] (status) [2=2] #ubuntu-massachusetts [3=3] #guru [4=4] #kubuntu [5=5] #kubuntu-devel [6=6] #ubuntu-us-ne [7=7] #ubuntu+1    ] 
[10:16] <yuriy> sorry, crappy kvm screwed with the mouse
[10:16] <mhb> no storm here :o)
[10:18] <DaSkreech> dell took Ubuntu off the front page
[10:18] <dregorth> figures
[10:19] <nixternal> knew that was coming
[10:19] <nixternal> they just took some bad publicity on CNBC about the whole deal
[10:19] <Paulx4> write spain?
[10:19] <RadiantFire> really?
[10:19] <nixternal> umm, Ubuntu is still on the front page
[10:20] <nixternal> By Popular Demand.
[10:20] <nixternal> Ubuntu Has Arrived.
[10:20] <jjesse> i think you have to wait for the right screen of flash
[10:20] <nixternal> ya, they were talking about the whole price thing
[10:20] <dregorth> oh it's that random ad one i think
[10:20] <DaSkreech> nixternal: gimmie URL
[10:20] <nixternal> jjesse: you are correct, it changes
[10:20] <nixternal> their header changes each reload
[10:21] <RadiantFire> yeah, i just checked 2/5 were the ubuntu add
[10:21] <DaSkreech> nixternal: I've been reloading it for two hours now
[10:21] <nixternal> http://i.dell.com/images/global/brand/billboard/728/hp_linux_728x228.jpg
[10:21] <DaSkreech> I guess they don't like jamaica
[10:21] <nixternal> lol
[10:21] <dregorth> hehe
[10:21] <DaSkreech>  I got it this morning though
[10:21] <nixternal> how could they not like Jamaica?
[10:22] <DaSkreech> Well obviously we deserve to pay for Vista
[10:22] <DaSkreech>  I keep getting that one
[10:22] <nixternal> I need to get back out to Negril one of these days
[10:22] <dregorth> ick vista...
[10:22] <nixternal> heh, I don't get the Vista one
[10:22] <nixternal> I get the Energy Smart one quite a bit
[10:26] <dregorth> after 7 refreshes i got the ubuntu ad heh
[10:26] <dregorth> mainly got the ones for windows server 2k8 and the energy
[10:26] <dregorth> like i need a server... ^^
[10:26] <nixternal> Windows Server 2008
[10:26] <nixternal> just got that one
[10:27] <nixternal> I can't believe we are sitting here refreshing that page...don't we have something else better to do :P
[10:27] <dregorth> lol nope
[10:27] <dregorth> not me anyway
[10:27] <repete> kwwii: ping
[10:27] <DaSkreech> hi kwwii
[10:27] <kwwii> repete: pong
[10:27] <kwwii> howdy DaSkreech
[10:27] <dregorth> g/f just got outta school but i found out 10 mins ago she has to go back for some stuff :/
[10:27] <dregorth> so nope, nothing better at all
[10:27] <dregorth> lol
[10:28] <nixternal> uh oh, it is that art dude
[10:28] <kwwii> :p
[10:29] <Tonio_> I have to go back home...
[10:29] <mhb> nixternal: we don't, we are all waiting for the meeting
[10:29] <DaSkreech> kwwii: have you given thought to having a userlist KDM login?
[10:29] <Tonio_> see you tomorrow, and sorry for not beeing there toonight.....
[10:29] <nixternal> mhb: I think you are right
[10:29] <nixternal> I am going to shower first...back in a few
[10:29] <dregorth> nixternal: ya, showers are always a plus lol
[10:30] <dregorth> mhb: what meeting is this, eh?
[10:30] <jjesse> kubuntu meeting
[10:31] <mhb> nixternal: shower's a great idea, will keep me awake during the meeting :o)
[10:31] <dregorth> ahh i believe i was reading about a meeting yesterday somewhere on a site for (k)ubuntu
[10:31] <dregorth> interesting
[10:31] <kwwii> DaSkreech: yepp, but there is no code to support that
[10:32] <DaSkreech> kwwii: there is one on KDE apps I heat
[10:32] <DaSkreech> hear
[10:32] <dregorth> saw it required you to be a member tho and have a wiki page and all that kinda stuff so i figured i wouldn't do it seeing as how i don't have anything interesting to put about myself in the wiki
[10:32] <kwwii> DaSkreech: it is based on the suse stuff I worked on a long time ago I bet and that is a total hack
[10:32] <jjesse> you can attend the mtg w/o being a member
[10:32] <dregorth> and don't have any significant contributions to anything related to (k)ubuntu
[10:32] <dregorth> oh really?
[10:32] <DaSkreech> ok
[10:32] <dregorth> i guess i missed that part lol
[10:32] <jjesse> if you want to be a kubuntu team member then you have to have a wiki page, etc
[10:33] <DaSkreech> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Kubuntu+Feisty+UserList++?content=56914
[10:33] <DaSkreech> kwwii: ^^^ Guess there is an easy way to finid out
[10:34] <dregorth> oh well when is this meeting then?
[10:34] <kwwii> DaSkreech: I'll look into it - it does not appear to be the same hack, as it is only 312KB
[10:35] <DaSkreech>  I just thought it would be nice to have a home friendly option to ship in Gibbon
[10:35] <dregorth> lol ty Jucato
[10:35] <Jucato> er /topic
[10:36] <kwwii> DaSkreech: definitely, as long as it does not do anything screwey with code
[10:36] <dregorth> sheesh. brain definitely isn't working today ;)
[10:40] <ypsila> moin
[10:41] <kwwii> DaSkreech: looks pretty straight forward, unless some problem arises that I cannot see now I do not see why we cannot do that
[10:41] <DaSkreech> Wheee :)
[10:41] <ypsila> kwwii: :-D
[10:41] <ypsila> kwwii: you are not in Franken!
[10:42] <kwwii> right, I am in Bamberg!
[10:42] <ypsila> kwwii: you are in Oberfranken :-)
[10:42] <kwwii> better than franken
[10:42] <neversfelde> Mittelfranken rocks :D
[10:42] <kwwii> I like to call it Ueberfranken
[10:42] <neversfelde> hello all
[10:42] <neversfelde> rofl
[10:42] <ypsila> kwwii: pschhttt, don't tell them what kind of beer we have and knodels ;-)
[10:42] <kwwii> ;-)
[10:43] <ypsila> they will invase us :-D
[10:43] <kwwii> it seem somehow fitting that germans take over kubuntu :p
[10:43] <mhb> ypsila: everyone knows the best beer and kndels come from Czech Rep.
[10:43] <kwwii> after 7+ years at suse I just thought that all kde devs are german
[10:43] <ypsila> mhb: wrong! the czechs do consume more beer :-)
[10:44] <kwwii> beer originated in belgium, so we both lose
[10:44] <mhb> heh
[10:44] <dregorth> although german beer is definitely comparable
[10:44] <kwwii> but there are more breweries in franken per capita than anywhere else in the world
[10:44] <ypsila> mhb: my grandmother was born in czechoslovakia, so I adopted a lot about kndel
[10:45] <kwwii> bhmische kndel is my favorite :-)
[10:45] <neversfelde> uh
[10:45] <mhb> that reminds me ... everytime somebody says ubuntu is an african distribution I tell them kubuntu is scottish
[10:45] <ypsila> kwwii: how are they made? I love semmelkndel
[10:45] <Lure> mhb: lol
[10:45] <dregorth> lol
[10:45] <neversfelde> hehe
[10:46] <kwwii> ypsila: it is very similar to a semmelkndel - you might know it as serviertklo
[10:46] <ypsila> mhb: scottish? isn't that the country where men do wear no underwear?
[10:46] <DaSkreech> ypsila: Or do they???
[10:46] <dregorth> good old kilts
[10:46] <dregorth> never would wear one myself tho ><
[10:46] <ypsila> kwwii: okeh, I love them, in case you need a pracicable recipe, I deveopped one for microwave!
[10:47] <kwwii> the best part was their tendency to eat magic mushrooms before they went to war
[10:47] <dregorth> lol made it more interesting i'm sure
[10:47] <ypsila> pruhust
[10:47] <kwwii> lol, I would like to see that recipe - I still do it in a double boiler
[10:47] <ypsila> kwwii: gimme your mail it is "dev-proof" :-)
[10:48] <kwwii> kwwii at kubuntu dot com
[10:48] <DaSkreech> anyone want to confirm a crash in adept?
[10:48] <ypsila> 8 mins ready to serve!
[10:48] <ypsila> kwwii: promised
[10:48] <manchicken> Grumble.  KDE 3.5.7 has a bad kpilot version.
[10:48] <kwwii> ypsila: as long as it doesn't turn into a bouncing bread ball, I will try it
[10:48] <manchicken> The version in our repos does that is.
[10:49] <neversfelde> DaSkreech: in which situation crashes it?
[10:50] <ypsila> kwwii: my grandmother was born in Czechoslovakia, and made the world greatest Semmelkndel, I only ported it to micro-wave-ovens ;-)
[10:50] <kwwii> other than bread, onions, eggs, nutmeg, parsly, salt and pepper, what is in it?
[10:50] <DaSkreech> neversfelde: adept -> manage repos -> Change server -> Find fastest server -> KRASH!!
[10:52] <kwwii> one of the best meals ever: a nice beef filet steak with semmelkndel and chanterelle mushroom sauce (pfifferlingsoe)
[10:53] <kwwii> ok, back to linux ;-)
[10:53] <ypsila> kwwii: nutmweg?
[10:53] <kwwii> muskatnuss
[10:53] <neversfelde> DaSkreech: I do have "Find Best Server" and it freezes, i#ll give it a second try
[10:53] <jjesse> kwwii: we are grilling tuna steaks marinated in a lime cilantro sauce w/ a nice wine to go along with it
[10:53] <ypsila> ah nothing!
[10:53] <jjesse> :)
[10:53] <kwwii> jjesse: sounds excellent - can't get cilantro here
[10:53] <jjesse> kwwii: why not?  just curious
[10:53] <ypsila> jjesse: for the one who stands at the grill
[10:54] <kwwii> a pretty good replacement is a bit of oregano
[10:54] <ypsila> cilantro ist what?
[10:54] <kwwii> as cilantro is basically mexican oregano
[10:54] <ypsila> Zitronengras?
[10:54] <jjesse> oh didn't know that
[10:54] <kwwii> I can get it from a wholesale place but I have to buy like 5K of it
[10:54] <jjesse> wow
[10:54] <kwwii> well, it is still not the same
[10:54] <kwwii> but close
[10:54] <ypsila> kwwii: it is Koriander in Germany
[10:55] <kwwii> ypsila: no, it is not
[10:55] <kwwii> trust me
[10:55] <jjesse> we are growing cilantro, basil, jalepeno peppers and three types of tomatoes in our garden
[10:55] <kwwii> koriander is pretty close too though
[10:55] <ypsila> google says it is
[10:55] <kwwii> lol
[10:55] <Jucato> someone wake up Hobbsee :)
[10:55] <kwwii> ach du scheisse, leo says the same thing
[10:56] <kwwii> but that is not right
[10:56] <ypsila> kwwii: so? what is cilantro?
[10:56] <ryanakca> aren't koriander/coriander and cilantro the same thing?
[10:56] <ypsila> jjesse: I grow a lot of that in my garden
[10:56] <ryanakca> ypsila: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriander
[10:56] <ypsila> and I love dried seeds
[10:56] <jjesse> ypsila: yeah we are trying to grow it, if it doesn't die
[10:56] <ryanakca> ypsila: that's cilantro. and that's coriander.
[10:56] <jjesse> my wife and aren't the greatest gardeners
[10:57] <kwwii> but coriander in america is not cilantro
[10:57] <kwwii> funky, you learn something new every day
[10:57] <ypsila> jjesse: it depends on the yeats, I arrived to die three thyms in three years
[10:57] <neversfelde> DaSkreech: I can confirm it
[10:57] <DaSkreech> neversfelde: thanks
[10:57] <ryanakca> hmmm
[10:57] <kwwii> ryanakca: I take that back, you are right
[10:58] <kwwii> coriander = cilantro
[10:58] <kwwii> it is late here
[10:58] <kwwii> well, late for me
[10:58] <ryanakca> :)
[10:58] <jjesse> coriander is the seed of the cilantro plant
[10:58] <ryanakca> kwwii: staying for the meeting?
[10:58] <jjesse> so my wife the food expert says
[10:58] <ypsila> kwwii: you will get that at every good market, and even the seeds to plant them
[10:58] <ypsila> jjesse: ???
[10:59] <kwwii> ahaa- one is the seeds and the other is the leaves
[10:59] <ypsila> kwwii: fresh at any asia-shop
[10:59] <jjesse> i asked my wife if corriander and cilantro was the same thing and she said that corriander is the seed
[10:59] <kwwii> ypsila: exactly
[10:59] <ypsila> the leaves look like persil
[10:59] <kwwii> the leaves have a much more lemon-like taste
[10:59] <Riddell> ** kubuntu meeting in a couple of minutes in #ubuntu-meeting
[10:59] <ypsila> h?
[11:00] <kwwii> ryanakca: yes, I'll be at the meeting
[11:00] <ypsila> Riddell: are you kidding?
[11:00] <Riddell> ypsila: nope
[11:00] <jjesse> check the /topic
[11:00] <ryanakca> ypsila: meeting at 2100UTC, today
[11:01] <ypsila> can someone pls explain that to me?
[11:02] <ryanakca> ypsila: it's at 9 PM in the UTC timezone
[11:02] <ryanakca> ypsila: so, 9PM in the UK...
[11:03] <yuriy> oops joined on the wrong server. need to get used to irssi more
[11:03] <DaSkreech> Someone called Hobbsee?
[11:04] <Jucato> _StefanS_ssssssssss!!!!
[11:34] <DaSkreech> Jucato: seen the stats for #ubuntu ?
[11:34] <Hobbsee_> DaSkreech: no, no one called me
[11:34] <Jucato> aw.. :(
[11:34] <DaSkreech> :-P
[11:34] <mhb> nixternal: good to have someone on the council who can be blamed
[11:34] <Jucato> DaSkreech: yeah. can't believe intelikey finally overtook me :(
[11:34] <nixternal> hahaha
[11:34] <DaSkreech> Jucato: No #ubuntu
[11:34] <DaSkreech> Ubotu is the one to rule them all
[11:34] <Jucato> lol
[11:34] <fdoving> DaSkreech: if that is my ubuntu stat, it's not accurate, i haven't been in there all the time.. :)
[11:35] <DaSkreech> fdoving: Nope mostly at night :)
[11:35] <Riddell> seele: about?
[11:37] <nixternal> Jucato: ya, exactly what toma said in the meeting! you definitely deserve it!
[11:38] <Jucato> nixternal: but I would have felt a bit awkward, as I would be the only non-contributing member
[11:38] <mhb> Jucato: I'll vote for you next time :o)
[11:38] <Jucato> by contributing, I mean tech stuff :)
[11:44] <fdoving> Jucato: hah, you're probably one of the most contributing members ever! EOD.
[11:44] <Jucato> lol :)
[11:44] <Jucato> er... flattered
[11:45] <fdoving> #kubuntu is important for kubuntu, and you're one of the few who helps in there.
[11:46] <fdoving> it's not like you make a package and go do other stuff, you sitt there waiting for new questions, keep up the great work :)
[11:46] <fdoving> packaging/hacking/docs is not the only way to contribute.
[11:46] <fdoving> building communtity and happy users is important too.
[11:46] <nixternal> fdoving: he is about the only one, oh and lets not forget #kde
[11:47] <marseillai_> nixternal: for kima don't care i follow it because 0.2 is buggy! 0.3 is in svn for the moment... if you want i let it to you
[11:47] <fdoving> nixternal: i'm not in #kde, wouldn't know anything about it.
[11:47] <nixternal> he does just as much there..he is nuts with the IRC support...like a hamster on crack...or the energizer bunny
[11:47] <fdoving> even better :)
[11:47] <nixternal> marseillai_: need to check and see if it is in Debian
[11:47] <Jucato> roflmao! yeah energizer :)
[11:47] <nixternal> that is you
[11:48] <Jucato> hehehe
[11:48] <Jucato> although I needed to take some breaks lately... just enough so that I could finish 2-3 chapters of C++ :/
[11:50] <ryanakca> Jucato: ever thought of joining the New User Network?
[11:51] <Jucato> oh... :(
[11:51] <Jucato> kinda forgotten about that ever since I sort of vanished from the classroom
[11:58] <Jucato> ryanakca: I can't comit myself to NUN right now. I'm trying hard as I can to study C++ on my own. which will eventually lead to Qt and finally KDE development. trying to focus on that.. and planning to learn about packing on the sides...
[11:58] <ryanakca> okies
[11:59] <Jucato> but if NUN has any projects that will involve IRC and KubuntuForums.Net users, feel free to inform me and I will advertise :)
[12:00] <ryanakca> ok
[12:02] <Riddell> ypsila: did I remember you were thinking about membership once?
[12:09] <kwwii> DaSkreech: so what do you mean exactly?
[12:09] <DaSkreech> kwwii: What's the policy on artwork?
[12:09] <kwwii> not sure what you mean exactly
[12:09] <DaSkreech> if changes are made to something should they be pushed back upstream?
[12:09] <kwwii> most of the changes we do are kubuntu specific, but anything generic enough can go upstream, yes
[12:10] <kwwii> note that /me is upstream :p
[12:10] <DaSkreech> for Polyester Domino and QTcurve?