[12:28] <profoX`> kiko-afk: hi; are you there?
[12:28] <profoX`> kiko-afk: (ping)
[12:58] <LaserJock> cprov: OK, question. in the binary .changes files the Maintainer: is set to the buildd
[12:59] <cprov> LaserJock: yes, are you checking the dogfood UI ?
[12:59] <LaserJock> cprov: so for amd64 I get Maintainer: Ubuntu/amd64 Build Daemon <buildd@>
[12:59] <LaserJock> for i386 I get Maintainer: Ubuntu/i386 Build Daemon <buildd@rubidium.ppa>
[01:00] <cprov> LaserJock: oops, selenium.ppa (amd64) isn't building a correct changesfile...
[01:01] <elmo> cprov: fix /home/buildd/.sbuildrc - unfortunately you'll need to do this everytime you reinstall sbuild
[01:01] <elmo> err, launchpad-buildd.deb I mean
[01:02] <elmo> cprov: our xen-guest-create-instance script fixes it, but subsequent installs of launchpad-buildd.deb will break the file again
[01:02] <elmo> cprov: I'll ask adam to look at fixing launchpad-buildd.deb
[01:02] <cprov> elmo: thank you !
[01:04] <elmo> [we should probably consider fixing that 'Ubuntu/' hardcodedness at somepoint too, to be PPA/ instead] 
[01:54] <profoX`> kiko-afk: [ping] 
[05:53] <jml> I just got an email from Launchpad asking me to approve a new member of a dev team I'm on
[05:53] <jml> The email's 'To: ' header included all of the other admin's email addresses.
[05:54] <jml> That seems vaguely distasteful.
[05:54] <Hobbsee> this is a problem?
[05:54] <jml> Hobbsee: not really. It's just a little surprising.
[05:54] <Hobbsee> any admin can approve or decline a new member
[05:54] <mpt> How many admins are there?
[05:54] <jml> Hobbsee: well, it's more than their email addresses were visible to me
[05:54] <jml> mpt: six
[05:54] <Hobbsee> they tend to be on LP anyway.
[05:54] <Hobbsee> hi mpt 
[05:55] <mpt> In theory if you're a team admin you should be able to see the e-mail address of any current/prospective member anyway
[05:55] <jml> Hobbsee: yeah, but I don't normally get auto-generated bulk email that includes lots of email addresses.
[05:55] <mpt> (e.g. to ask "why do you want to join this team?")
[05:55] <jml> mpt: yeah, I don't think it's a problem per se
[05:55] <mpt> hi Hobbsee :-)
[05:55] <Hobbsee> :)
[09:25] <carlos> morning
[09:43] <Hobbsee> morning carlos 
[09:44] <carlos> Hobbsee: hey
[09:58] <SteveA> morning!
[09:58] <Hobbsee> morning SteveA!!!
[10:11] <HampusW> How long do you need to wait for your rosetta translation to get reviewed? Is there any way to get it approved faster?
[10:18] <carlos> HampusW: do you mean your contributed translations as suggestions? or a file upload?
[10:19] <HampusW> I mean an uploaded pot-file.
[10:20] <carlos> HampusW: we are a bit behind with that. I'm catching up this week, usually, it should not take more than a couple of days to get an approval or an email from us asking for more info. 
[10:20] <carlos> HampusW: which project are we talking about? I can do the review right no
[10:20] <carlos> now
[10:20] <HampusW> Wubi
[10:21] <HampusW> Ok. Everything is hosted on launchpad, so there's no risk for duplicate translations or anything at least...
[10:22] <HampusW> thanks in advance!
[10:22] <carlos> HampusW: I guess you are one of its maintainers, aren't you?
[10:23] <HampusW> yep
[10:23] <carlos> indeed, most active user in Launchpad for that project ;-)
[10:23] <carlos> do you have any translation already?
[10:24] <carlos> if you do, please upload them too
[10:24] <HampusW> carlos: yep, a couple.
[10:24] <HampusW> Ok, we will do. They had some errors in them before though.
[10:24] <carlos> translation errors or syntax errors?
[10:24] <HampusW> I am an admin for Wubi, but it seems only the registrant can upload translation files?
[10:24] <HampusW> encoding errors
[10:25] <carlos> HampusW: your .pot file is approved, it should be imported any time in next hour
[10:25] <HampusW> ok, thanks alot!
[10:25] <HampusW> we will be able to upload new files without approval now? some po-files for example...
[10:25] <carlos> HampusW: initial upload and .pot updates is restricted to the registrant
[10:26] <carlos> HampusW: translation uploads are restricted to the teams doing translations 
[10:26] <HampusW> ok
[10:26] <carlos> if you use OPEN permissions, anyone will be able to do it
[10:26] <HampusW> ok, thanks for all the info!
[10:26] <carlos> HampusW: yeah, if you upload them to the correct template I just approved, they will be automatically approved
[10:26] <carlos> well, if you use the right language code as file name for the .po file
[10:26] <HampusW> ok
[10:27] <carlos> about the encoding problems, if you give me more information I could try to help you solving those issues
[10:28] <HampusW> I have already solved it. Just converted a file that was expected to be in latin-1, but was in utf-8, to a po-file.
[10:28] <HampusW> I wrote some scripts to convert between po-files and nsis scripts =)
[10:29] <carlos> nsis scripts?
[10:29] <HampusW> the Wubi installer is written in NSIS (NullSoft Install Script)
[10:30] <HampusW> NSIS doesn't natively support gettext, but now we can use it anyway. Quite nice!
[10:30] <carlos> indeed :-)
[10:33] <HampusW> I just uploaded a po-file for swedish. It has to be approved too?
[10:34] <carlos> HampusW: no, it will be imported automatically
[10:35] <HampusW> ok, nice.
[10:35] <HampusW> You are a rosetta developer? or just launchpad overall?
[10:36] <carlos> HampusW: Rosetta developer
[10:37] <HampusW> ok. cool project.
[10:37] <HampusW> You don't need any more developers, do you?
[10:38] <carlos> HampusW: for Rosetta, we are right now already three developers
[10:38] <HampusW> ok, nice
[10:40] <HampusW> I'll stick with wubi then. Just ask if you need help with something though...
[10:41] <carlos> HampusW: sure, thank you!
[10:56] <HampusW> carlos: just one more question. I uploaded a swedish po-file. When I view the translation page for swedish there are 0 msgs and 0 to do... is this the way it should be?
[10:57] <carlos> that's due to a bug in our UI that shows the template before it's actually imported
[10:57] <HampusW> I chose "Published upload" when uploading... might just take more time...
[10:57] <HampusW> ok, so I just wait?
[10:57] <carlos> yeah
[10:57] <HampusW> ok, no problem then!
[10:57] <carlos> for the .pot file you will not get a notification email if it works (we have a bug to fix this, we should notify you always)
[10:58] <HampusW> ok
[10:58] <carlos> once the .po file is imported you will get an email either with a failure error or a successful one
[10:58] <HampusW> that's nice
[10:59] <HampusW> can I upload a bunch of po-files at once? without being the registrant I mean...
[11:03] <carlos> hmm, only if you are the owner of the template
[11:04] <carlos> HampusW: you can create a team and give it the ownership of that template if you don't want to use a Team as the registrant of your project
[11:04] <HampusW> carlos: ok, cool.
[11:05] <HampusW> carlos: Thank you for all the help! I think I kind of know what's going on now :)
[11:06] <carlos> np
[11:54] <mantiena> Hi all
[11:54] <HampusW> hi
[11:57] <mantiena> SteveA: labas
[12:11] <mantiena> pochu: hi
[12:11] <pochu> hi mantiena 
[12:13] <mantiena> maybe today there are some launchpad admins, who can register new Baltix distro  release ? I know only kiko and SteveA, but now both are away :(
[12:15] <mantiena> Hobbsee:  hi, maybe you have needed rights to register new Baltix distro release - http://launchpad.net/baltix/+addrelease ?
[12:16] <pochu> mantiena: she doesn't.
[12:16] <Hobbsee> what?
[12:16] <Hobbsee> no, i dont
[12:16] <mantiena> :(
[12:16] <pochu> mantiena: this might help you: https://launchpad.net/~admins/+members
[12:16] <mantiena> pochu: thanks
[12:21] <SteveA> mantiena: sveikas!
[12:23] <mantiena> SteveA: :)
[12:24] <mantiena> SteveA: I can't use launchpad as bug tracking system for Baltix, because I can't register nor new release, nor new milestone  for about 1 year :(
[12:24] <mantiena> SteveA: please, help us
[12:25] <SteveA> mantiena: I don't really know the implications of doing that.  This is something kiko and statik need to discuss with you.
[12:28] <mantiena> SteveA: ok, I will talk with statik and kiko-afk
[12:29] <mantiena> SteveA: you will come to Lithuania this summer ?
[12:30] <ubotu> New bug: #117929 in soyuz "Distribution's PPA page says "PPA of Ubuntu"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117929
[12:45] <mantiena> btw, how PPA works in launchpad ? When I press on PPA in launchpad.net/baltix I get an empty page :(
[12:49] <BjornT> mantiena: cprov is the one to talk to about PPA. he should come online in a few hours.
[12:50] <mantiena> ok
[01:01] <SteveA> mantiena: I'll be at europython
[01:30] <ubotu> New bug: #117940 in malone "mono memory corruption g-thread (dup-of: 117774)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117940
[02:08] <cprov> morning, guys.
[02:10] <Hobbsee> morning cprov 
[02:12] <cprov> Hobbsee: hey, how are you today ?
[02:18] <Hobbsee> cprov: i'm fighting labview, but otherwise good )
[02:19] <cprov> Hobbsee: I've never tried it on linux. 
[02:20] <Hobbsee> this is on XP, as that's where i happen to have a cd for
[02:20] <statik> mantiena: hi
[02:22] <cprov> Hobbsee: :P 
[02:22] <Hobbsee> it's....well, it's windows.
[02:22] <Hobbsee> enough said, really
[02:23] <Hobbsee> but there is putty, so it's livable.
[02:23] <Hobbsee> in small doses.
[02:25] <cprov> Hobbsee: let's just drop this conversation :)
[02:26] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:33] <mantiena> statik:  so, maybe you have needed rights to register new Baltix distro release - http://launchpad.net/baltix/+addrelease ?
[02:33] <mantiena> statik: I can't use launchpad as bug tracking system for Baltix, because I can't register nor new release, nor new milestone  for about 1 year :(
[02:33] <statik> mantiena: I was just asking you to explain the situation in a privmsg, why did you switch to here?
[02:34] <mantiena> statik: sorry, it was easier to repeat my messages there ;)
[02:51] <mantiena> ubotu: bug #58250
[02:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 58250 in launchpad "Unofficial distribution releases should not be allowed to use milestones" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/58250
[03:36] <ubotu> New bug: #117958 in malone "Passing a list in the bug search crashes the widget" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117958
[03:59] <SteveA> Welcome to this week's Launchpad development meeting.  For the next 45 minutes or so, we'll be coordinating about Launchpad development.
[03:59] <SteveA> who is here today?
[03:59] <barry> me
[03:59] <matsubara> me
[03:59] <kiko> em
[03:59] <Rinchen> me
[03:59] <allenap> me
[03:59] <mwh> me
[03:59] <mpt> me
[03:59] <salgado> me
[03:59] <sinzui> me
[03:59] <mthaddon> me
[03:59] <statik> me
[03:59] <ddaa> me
[03:59] <SteveA> jknowles sends apologies. he\s not well today
[03:59] <BjornT> me
[04:00] <carlos> me
[04:00] <bigjools> me
[04:00] <mrevell> me
[04:01] <danilos> me
[04:01] <SteveA> jtv?
[04:01] <flacoste> me
[04:01] <matsubara> SteveA: salgado needs to be afk for 10 min.
[04:01] <SteveA> thanks matsubara 
[04:01] <SteveA> stub?
[04:01] <cprov> me
[04:01] <danilos> SteveA: he's out, holiday in Thailand or something
[04:01] <danilos> SteveA: probably the same with stub
[04:01] <kiko> thai holidays
[04:01] <carlos> same for Stub
[04:01] <jamesh> me
[04:01] <SteveA> ah.  they should note that on the MeetingAgenda page, ideally.
[04:02] <bac> me
[04:02] <schwuk> me
[04:02] <SteveA> I stub 
[04:02] <SteveA> Hi stub 
[04:03] <stub> hi
[04:03] <stub> me
[04:03] <SteveA> == Agenda ==
[04:03] <SteveA>  * Roll call
[04:03] <SteveA>  * Agenda
[04:03] <SteveA>  * Next meeting
[04:03] <SteveA>  * Actions from last meeting
[04:03] <SteveA>  * Oops report (Matsubara)
[04:03] <SteveA>  * Bug report ([wiki:JoeyStanford/topweeklybugs Current Top Items] )
[04:03] <SteveA>  * Bug tags
[04:03] <SteveA>  * Operations report (mthaddon)
[04:03] <SteveA>  * DBA report (stub)
[04:03] <SteveA>  * Sysadmin requests ([wiki:JoeyStanford/toprtrequests Current Queue] )
[04:03] <SteveA> ----
[04:03] <SteveA>  * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell)
[04:03] <SteveA>  * How pre-implementation phone calls are going (barry)
[04:03] <SteveA>  * (other items)
[04:03] <SteveA> ----
[04:03] <SteveA>  * Team three sentences ([wiki:ProjectTeams Team List] )
[04:03] <SteveA> 
[04:03] <SteveA> Rinchen: ?
[04:03] <SteveA> ah
[04:03] <SteveA> you said "me"
[04:03] <SteveA> cool
[04:03] <Rinchen> I can see me again :-) 
[04:04] <SteveA> next meeting -- same time next week?
[04:04] <SteveA> any national holidays?
[04:04] <SteveA> vacations?
[04:04] <flacoste> the answer tracker team (me and sinzui) will be sprinting
[04:04] <matsubara> SteveA: next thursdays is a Brazilian national holiday
[04:04] <kiko> SteveA, matsubara: I am likely to be around
[04:05] <SteveA> ok, arrange for *someone* to do the oops report
[04:05] <Rinchen> I think I owe matsubara a cover or two.
[04:05] <SteveA> the next meeting will be this time next week
[04:05] <SteveA> actions from last meeting...
[04:05] <SteveA>  * kiko to get [https://launchpad.net/bugs/86185 bug 86185]  (Librarian "500 Internal server error"s (when uploading) should generate an OOPS, and include the OOPS code in the error to the client) scheduled for some release soon, pretty please
[04:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 86185 in launchpad "Librarian "500 Internal server error"s (when uploading) should generate an OOPS, and include the OOPS code in the error to the client." [Undecided,Confirmed]  
[04:06] <kiko> I did that
[04:06] <SteveA> thanks
[04:06] <SteveA>  * stub to discuss rationale for voice calls as opposed to other mediums with SteveA and report
[04:06] <stub> Not done
[04:06] <SteveA> ok
[04:06] <kiko> SteveA, who's the assignee for that fix? it's 1.1.6
[04:06] <SteveA> is anyone other that stub concerned about the strength of rationale for voice calls?
Higher bandwidth</rationale>, no?
[04:07] <SteveA> that's part of it, but I don't want to discuss this now
[04:07] <kiko> SteveA, I think stub is crying because he's in thailand. :)
[04:07] <SteveA> I want to know whether this is an issue just between me and stub
[04:07] <SteveA> or whether it is a wider issue
[04:07] <SteveA> flacoste: not convinced of the value of voice calls?
[04:07] <ddaa> No issue, but curious to see the rationale laid out.
[04:07] <flacoste> SteveA: the value of using a voice call every time
[04:07] <stub> I find voice a terrible medium for discussing technical stuff. Similar to reading URLs over a telephone
[04:08] <stub> Ok for vagaries, but details better over IRC or email.
[04:08] <bigjools> I find a combination of voice and IRC to be quite good
[04:08] <SteveA> the voice call is primarily to confirm things.  email or specs for the tech details
[04:08] <danilos> I feel about the same, nothing if not a combination of the two
[04:08] <flacoste> SteveA: for simple bugs, a simple irc chat could be enough
[04:08] <SteveA> I think it's important to have the voice call available, offered each time
[04:09] <SteveA> it should be skipped because it would be literally a no-op, not because it's inconvenient or any other reason
[04:09] <jamesh> I definitely find that some things are better over voice and some things better over IRC
[04:10] <SteveA> one important thing about having voice calls is to discuss the issue a little and trigger those associations
[04:10] <SteveA> with other parts of the system, or issues not considered yet
[04:10] <SteveA> which don't get voiced when you just read some spec
[04:10] <SteveA> so, to make it clear, I'm not saying "the discussion takes place via a voice call only@
[04:11] <SteveA> "
[04:11] <stub> Its easier to pretend your not drunk when typing too
[04:11] <SteveA> I'm saying "the discussion must involve a voice call"
[04:11] <SteveA> stub: what do they call robutussin in thailand?
[04:11] <stub> I don't know what they all it anywhere...
[04:11] <SteveA> it can cause memory loss
[04:12] <barry> maybe we should let the market decide?  iow, the two people in the review should agree on the best medium or combination of media, with the additional burden of reporting back to the team on the success or problems with their choice.  then after a couple of weeks we can get a better sense of the natural and most effective way to communicate?
[04:12] <SteveA> the rule is, a voice call must always be offered, explicitly
[04:13] <SteveA> let's see how that goes and report back
[04:13] <SteveA> moving along...
[04:13] <mpt> My current branch seemed simple enough just to discuss on IRC, so that's what I did, and now it's over 2000 lines, and a voice call might have avoided that. IMO.
[04:13] <SteveA>  * Oops report (Matsubara)
[04:13] <matsubara> Thanks flacoste for fixing bug 116920
[04:13] <matsubara> Today's oops report is about bugs 117452, 86361 
[04:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 116920 in launchpad-answers "Empty search on answers.launchpad.net causes oops" [Critical,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/116920 - Assigned to Francis J. Lacoste (flacoste)
[04:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 117452 in malone "Code that parses bugtracker urls need to handle urls with no protocol specified" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117452
[04:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 86361 in malone "Search for duplicate and similar bugs on +filebug sometimes timeout" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86361 - Assigned to Stuart Bishop (stub)
[04:13] <matsubara> Anyone from the Bugs team want to take bug 117452?
[04:13] <matsubara> stub, news about 86361?
[04:13] <stub> Haven't looked at it
[04:14] <BjornT> matsubara: how often does the oops in bug 117452 happen?
[04:14] <matsubara> BjornT: not often.
[04:14] <matsubara> stub: could you look at it this week?
[04:15] <matsubara> stub: after the +translations timeout, it's the next top timeout oops
[04:15] <stub> Yes. I should have looked at it this week sorry, as it was brought up at last weeks meeting.
[04:15] <stub> There may be a magic wand in this case, which I might try...
[04:16] <kiko> stub, repacking etc? :)
[04:16] <stub> Changing our old GIST indexes to newer GIN indexes available in PG 8.2
[04:16] <BjornT> matsubara: i'd say mark it as fix-it-friday and leave it unassigned until someone has time to fix it (or it starts happening more frequently)
[04:16] <stub> Slower inserts, much faster selects
[04:16] <matsubara> BjornT: will do.
[04:16] <kiko> BjornT, such an easy bugfix though..
[04:17] <matsubara> thanks stub and BjornT.
[04:17] <matsubara> SteveA: I'm done here.
[04:17] <SteveA> thanks matsubara 
[04:18] <BjornT> kiko: yeah, it is. i can probably get to it quite soon.
[04:18] <SteveA>  * Bug report ([wiki:JoeyStanford/topweeklybugs Current Top Items] )
[04:18] <Rinchen> Congrats to jamesh and stub for fixing bug 90384, Contrats (again) to flacoste for fixing bug 116920, Congrats to bigjools for fixing Bug 117723
[04:18] <ubotu> Bug 90384 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/90384 is private
[04:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 117723 in soyuz "override generation broken for gutsy" [Critical,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117723 - Assigned to Julian Edwards (julian-edwards)
[04:18] <Rinchen> Bug #65800, first reported on 2006-10-12  - Launchpad, Critical, unassigned. mthaddon, can you take this?
[04:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 65800 in launchpad "staging. and demo. should obviously be demos" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/65800
[04:18] <Rinchen> Bug #107912, first reported on 2007-04-19, (Private), mthaddon - Critical, in progress. mthaddon, Staging is working and production seems to be ok. What further actions are needed to close this?
[04:18] <ubotu> Bug 107912 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/107912 is private
[04:18] <mthaddon> sure
[04:18] <jamesh> Rinchen: stub takes credit for the last bit of 90384
[04:19] <cprov> 117723 cherrypicked in drescher
[04:19] <kiko> cprov, which one is that? the fix for cjwatson?
[04:19] <bigjools> and cjwatson takes credit for spotting the problem in 117723
[04:19] <mthaddon> Rinchen: need to rollout out cherry pick and apply apache config updates for 107912 - expected done within the next few days
[04:19] <cprov> kiko: yes
[04:19] <Rinchen> mthaddon, thanks.   
[04:20] <kiko> thanks bigjools and cprov for that
[04:20] <Rinchen> I'd also like to publicly thank mthaddon for all of his efforts. I think he's doing a great job.  
[04:20] <Rinchen> SteveA, done.
[04:20] <SteveA> thanks Rinchen 
[04:20] <SteveA> we note mthaddon's efforts
[04:20] <SteveA>  * Bug tags
[04:21] <SteveA> no new proposed tags
[04:21] <SteveA>  * Operations report (mthaddon)
[04:21] <mthaddon> Production rollout and move to new release cycle
[04:21] <mthaddon> Had an outage yesterday on DB server (email thread explains)
[04:21] <mthaddon> Demo now using mpt's fonts branch
[04:22] <mthaddon> Langpack restore back to every day
[04:22] <kiko> thanks mpt!
[04:22] <mthaddon> SteveA: that's it from me
[04:22] <SteveA> mthaddon, jamesh: what's the story on the app server db reconnection code?
[04:22] <SteveA> do we need to add more logging there to see what happened?
[04:22] <SteveA> can we test it out on staging?
[04:23] <mthaddon> I think that would be a good idea (testing on staging)
[04:23] <SteveA> please can we get a bug filed on "db reconnection code didn't work"
[04:23] <jamesh> SteveA: it probably indicates a hang withing psycopg or libpq
[04:23] <SteveA> so we can track this issue
[04:23] <kiko> didn't work eh?
[04:23] <jamesh> I'd love to know how to reproduce ...
[04:23] <ddaa> demo fonts, love it
[04:23] <mthaddon> should it have worked for that long of an outage? (15 mins)
[04:23] <SteveA> bullet through the db server
[04:24] <flacoste> mthaddon: what about the current requested cherry pick?
[04:24] <mthaddon> flacoste: if you mean yours, it hasn't been approved yet
[04:24] <flacoste> (i requested a cherry pick for bug 
[04:24] <flacoste>  116920
[04:24] <flacoste> 
[04:25] <flacoste> bug 116920
[04:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 116920 in launchpad-answers "Empty search on answers.launchpad.net causes oops" [Critical,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/116920 - Assigned to Francis J. Lacoste (flacoste)
[04:25] <jamesh> mthaddon: after the meeting, can we discuss how to collect some data on the problem next time?
[04:25] <mthaddon> jamesh: sounds good
[04:25] <flacoste> kiko, do you approve that cherry-pick?
[04:25] <kiko> flacoste, yes
[04:26] <flacoste> mthaddon: there it's approved ;-)
[04:26] <mthaddon> flacoste: ok, I'll apply it today if you can update the page to show kiko's approval
[04:26] <kiko> thanks
[04:26] <flacoste> mthaddon: already done
[04:26] <mthaddon> thx
[04:26] <SteveA>  * DBA report (stub)
[04:27] <stub> Apart from wanting to change our full text indexes to the newer version, nothing to reprot.
[04:27] <SteveA> thanks stub 
[04:27] <SteveA>  * Sysadmin requests ([wiki:JoeyStanford/toprtrequests Current Queue] )
[04:27] <Rinchen> I'm tracking one open high priority, 27951 - statik's prototyping machine.  We had a large number of tickets close this week and a few older ones arrive from the incoming queue. 
[04:27] <statik> Rinchen: we've got that machine now
[04:28] <statik> Rinchen: dunno whether the ticket is closed or not, but it's completed from my perspective
[04:28] <ddaa> Thumper has an outstanding RT against securing the http service on vostok (RT 28084). We are going to need a resolution to this before 1.1.6.
[04:28] <Rinchen> ok, thanks. the ticket is still open.
[04:28] <SteveA> Rinchen: do you have access to alter the launchpad RT queue yet?
[04:28] <Rinchen> SteveA, no.
[04:28] <SteveA> Rinchen: ok, that's a top priority, so you can effectively manage these requests.
[04:28] <Rinchen> SteveA, that ticket is 27320
[04:29] <SteveA> thanks
[04:29] <Rinchen> ddaa, got that. I'll add that to the list.
[04:29] <Rinchen> Anything else?
[04:29] <Rinchen> SteveA, done.
[04:29] <SteveA> thanks
[04:30] <SteveA>  * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell)
[04:30] <mrevell> Before and during my holiday, there was an interesting discussion on launchpad-users regarding a possible Launchpad etiquette document. A strong view was expressed by three participants, in particular, that anonymity is an important way to avoid harassment from other Launchpad users. SteveA suggested a Launchpad community team to act as a contact point for people experiencing harassment.
[04:30] <mrevell> After some discussion about the community team, I'll draft the first version of the etiquette guide. I'd also like to try to understand how big a problem harassment via Launchpad is.
[04:30] <mrevell> Any feedback the team has would be most appreciated on the launchpad-users list.
[04:30] <mrevell> Thanks
[04:30] <SteveA> mrevell: I'm going to summarize on that launchpad-users thread
[04:30] <SteveA> mrevell: I don't want to encourage more discussion on there
[04:30] <mrevell> SteveA: Great, thanks.
[04:31] <kiko> mrevell, I don't think harassment is actually a concrete problem.
[04:31] <mrevell> ok
[04:31] <SteveA> mrevell: I think it's time to draw the thread to a close, not discuss more
[04:31] <kiko> I think it's a handwavy potential risk
[04:31] <kiko> my 2c
[04:31] <mrevell> I've not heard reports of actual harassment, only the fear of its potential.
[04:31] <SteveA> kiko: I think it's important we have a point of contact if people are harassed.  That is enough for now.
[04:31] <mrevell> cool
[04:32] <ddaa> my understanding is that personal information visible in launchpad can lead to harassement outside of launchpad
[04:32] <SteveA> mrevell and I will draft something minimal that reflects what we need.
[04:32] <SteveA> we don't need to discuss this issue any more here today.
[04:32] <SteveA>  * How pre-implementation phone calls are going (barry)
[04:33] <kiko> exposure to sunlight can also increase the risk of skin cancer.
[04:33] <kiko> etc
[04:33] <barry> SteveA: i haven't heard much feedback from people, either positive or negative.  i don't know how many have actually been conducted
[04:33] <SteveA> how can we find this out, moving forward?
[04:33] <barry> has anybody actually /had/ pre-impl phone calls yet?
[04:34] <salgado> not me
[04:34] <flacoste> jtv had one with me
[04:34] <BjornT> i had with jtv, abel and schwuk (as a reviewer)
[04:34] <cprov> not me
[04:34] <ddaa> stuff I'll be working on has already been discussed at length with thumper and jml on a variety of medium including IRL...
[04:34] <barry> reviewers should be asking their branch submitters about this, so i think we need to report on this during the reviewers meetings
[04:34] <bigjools> not really started anything that required one yet
[04:34] <ddaa> I've seen thumper express the same situation
[04:35] <ddaa> that he lacked preimpl call for something that he discussed at length with other people, but not with an official "preimpl" call.
[04:36] <barry> ddaa: i think that's okay.  i think all  of the branches i've reviewed were started before we asked for pre-impl reviews
[04:36] <SteveA> bigjools: sometimes I only find out something benefited from a call after I'd had the call.
[04:36] <BjornT> barry: i'll bring it up on the au meeting
[04:36] <barry> BjornT: awesome, thanks
[04:37] <barry> BjornT: i try to at least read the email reports you send out! :)
[04:37] <bigjools> SteveA: what I mean is that I've not started a new branch other than a very quick fix that needed to be done yesterday
[04:37] <SteveA> ddaa: if something has been discussed, and it wasn't called "a pre-implementation call", but on reflection, that was what it was about
[04:37] <bigjools> SteveA: otherwise I've been working on an existing branch
[04:37] <SteveA> ddaa: then we can still call that a "pre implementation discussion"
[04:37] <barry> SteveA: agreed. 
[04:38] <cprov> bigjools: but even for those simple fixes we always discuss the basic directions on IRC/Gobby, it's just not on phone
[04:38] <barry> i say we defer this for now.  we'll have more new branches next week
[04:38] <bigjools> cprov: yes indeed
[04:38] <cprov> I usually have such brainstorms with kiko before starting a new task
[04:39] <barry> ok, done
[04:39] <SteveA> thanks barry 
[04:39] <SteveA>  * Team three sentences ([wiki:ProjectTeams Team List] )
[04:40] <matsubara> TEAM: infrastructure
[04:40] <matsubara> DONE: triage, oops reports, staging testing before rollout, fixed oops in product release traversal, production rollout, database config rework to allow getting rid of zopeless DA, SSO planning and code reviews, fix Librarian front page copyright dates.
[04:40] <matsubara> TODO: triage, oops reports, implement launchpadlibrarian domain, apache load balancer on beta, ORM integration, more SSO work
[04:40] <matsubara> BLOCKED: no.
[04:40] <mpt> TEAM: UI
[04:40] <mpt> DONE: bug page work (mpt), tour work (Victor)
[04:40] <mpt> TODO: login/registration redesign, bug page (mpt); bug 94323 (Victor)
[04:40] <mpt> BLOCKED: bug 117917 / bug 117921 is a small problem for Victor
[04:40] <barry> TEAM: mailing lists
[04:40] <barry> DONE: merged 2.1 upstream to sourcecode/mailman; phase 3 spec completed; review by stevea; 1 of 3 reviews by sabdfl
[04:40] <barry> TODO: 2 more reviews w/sabdfl; incorporate latest round of comments
[04:40] <barry> BLOCKED: no
[04:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 94323 in launchpad "Large headings appear under tabs or push search field under tabs" [High,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/94323 - Assigned to Victor Zambrano (victor-choosebrilliant)
[04:40] <ubotu> Bug 117917 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/117917 is private
[04:40] <flacoste> TEAM: answer-tracker
[04:40] <flacoste> DONE: next release cycle planning, much discussion about specs, work on filtering languages in question searches, many bugs fixed (#94094, #116920, #51433, #116790)
[04:40] <flacoste> TODO: answer tracker sprint
[04:40] <flacoste> BLOCKED: no
[04:40] <ubotu> Bug 117921 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/117921 is private
[04:40] <salgado> TEAM: FOAF
[04:40] <salgado> DONE: Landed fix for bug 53637, planning for 1.1.6 and lots of discussions 
[04:40] <salgado> TODO: Finish fix for bug 70519
[04:40] <salgado> BLOCKED: no
[04:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 53637 in launchpad "Adding team 'Foo' as a member of team 'Bar' should require confirmation from one of the administrators of 'Foo'" [High,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/53637 - Assigned to Guilherme Salgado (salgado)
[04:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 70519 in launchpad "Need to allow team members to renew their own membership once it gets close to the membership's expiration date" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/70519 - Assigned to Guilherme Salgado (salgado)
[04:40] <BjornT> TEAM: bug tracker
[04:40] <BjornT> DONE: Trying to get the fix for bug 81014, implemented MotuBugPermissions spec, started working on bug 6572 and 58388.
[04:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 81014 in malone "Don't assume entered package is a binary package" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81014 - Assigned to Gavin Panella (allenap)
[04:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 6572 in malone "In distribution bug searches, it should be possible to filter out bugs with open upstream tasks" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6572 - Assigned to abel (adeuring)
[04:40] <statik> TEAM: Commercialization
[04:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 58388 in malone "Implement a tag command in the email interface" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/58388 - Assigned to Dave Murphy (schwuk)
[04:40] <statik> DONE: vacation, reviews, salesforce integration, 1.1.6 specs, recruiting, prototyping, monitoring, customer interactions
[04:40] <statik> TODO: salesforce integration, reviews, 1.17 specs, 
[04:40] <statik> BLOCKED: no. 
[04:40] <BjornT> TODO: Bjorn and Gavin will be sprinting and start working on BugWorkflow, David and Abel will continue fixing bugs.
[04:40] <BjornT> BLOCKED: bug 81014 can't be landed before intermittent errors in buildd-queuebuilder.txt are resolved (pending answer from cprov)
[04:40] <Rinchen> mpt blocked. Bjorn blocked.
[04:40] <danilos> TEAM: Translations
[04:40] <danilos> DONE: Gutsy translation opening tested and started, bug #88873 postmerge review, 1.1.6 planning, TranslationImportQueuePriorities, #116196 in review, #116197 landed, #116200 in review, #46156 in review, #32471 in review.
[04:40] <danilos> TODO: finish open stuff (bugs #40550, #46156, #32471, #116200, #116196), document new distro release opening for translations, work on new suggestions filter, plan 1.1.7.
[04:40] <danilos> BLOCKED: No
[04:40] <cprov> TEAM: Soyuz
[04:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 88873 in rosetta "Add a way to hide all translations for a distro releases" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88873 - Assigned to Carlos Perell Marn (carlos)
[04:40] <cprov> DONE: general fixing, keep PPA-beta
[04:40] <cprov> TODO: 1.1.6
[04:40] <cprov> BLOCKED: None
[04:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 40550 in rosetta "Further filtering options for the Queue" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/40550 - Assigned to Carlos Perell Marn (carlos)
[04:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 46156 in rosetta "Broken .po file format export for Quanta" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/46156 - Assigned to   (danilo)
[04:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 32471 in rosetta "display differences from upstream" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/32471 - Assigned to   (danilo)
[04:40] <ubotu> Bug 116200 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/116200 is private
[04:40] <ddaa> DONE: launchpad smart-server in review, private branches progressing on target, code-import doc and specs, fixed a few loggerhead bugs
[04:40] <ddaa> TODO: retarget existing codehosting tests to test both sftp and bzr protocols (will catch gaps in smart-server implementation), more private branch tests, more code-import speccing, code-import content-type and views.
[04:40] <ddaa> BLOCKED: no (except for RT mentioned before)
[04:41] <bigjools> cprov: you forgot my upload-notifications change :)
[04:41] <cprov> bigjools: general-fixing, but yes, I should have done something more accurate, sorry.
[04:42] <cprov> BjornT: I'm answering that. The tests pass on my machine
[04:42] <SteveA> mpt: noted about 117921
[04:42] <cprov> BjornT: I'm not sure what to do about that.
[04:43] <BjornT> cprov: ok
[04:43] <SteveA> cprov: is it a sort-order problem?
[04:43] <cprov> SteveA: no, that's an extra/unexpected result 
[04:44] <SteveA> ok
[04:44] <cprov> SteveA: the sorting thing was in poppy tests and I think mthaddon has *sorted* it already
[04:44] <SteveA> that's all folks
[04:44] <SteveA> thanks for being here and keeping it on topic
[04:44] <SteveA> MEETING ENDS
[04:44] <carlos> thanks
[04:44] <stub> Infrastructure call 15 mins?
[04:44] <SteveA> yep
[04:45] <BjornT> allenap: re the test failure, do the tests fail on a fresh rocketfuel branch as well?
[05:52] <mantiena> cprov: BjornT told me, that I should ask you about PPA, so, I'm asking:
[05:52] <mantiena> cpov: how PPA works in launchpad ? When I press on PPA in launchpad.net/baltix I get an empty page :(
[05:53] <cprov> mantiena: just a second, I'm on meeting.
[05:53] <mantiena> ok
[05:55] <ubotu> New bug: #117977 in launchpad-answers "Who added an answer contact should be tracked" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117977
[06:07] <cprov-lunch> mantiena: I will talk to you when I'm back, ok ?
[06:14] <mantiena> cprov-lunch: ok
[06:55] <ubotu> New bug: #117993 in launchpad "Database reconnection code can get stuck" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117993
[07:00] <cprov> mantiena: ping
[07:14] <eudoxos2> Hello, I am from yade-team on launchpad, we just started using bzr. Is  there a way to have e-mails sent to some special address after each commit? (I found the bzr-email project, but I was not able to see whether it is deplyed at launchpad.net or not?)
[07:15] <gnomefreak> if you subscribe to a branch it should ask if you want to get emails about changes and give you a couple of choices
[07:16] <eudoxos2> thanks, gnomefreak, will check that out.
[07:16] <gnomefreak> yw im going on memory so it might have changed
[07:27] <jcs> with blueprints, is a project expected to have its own wiki for posting specs on, or is there an area on launchpad for this?
[07:29] <salgado> jcs, they're expecte to have their own wikis
[08:01] <eudoxos2> One more question, without wanting to start some flame. Compared to SVN, launchpad's bzr seems very slow on checkout, even --lightweight. We got to 30kb/s which is not much. Is it that the server is overloaded?
[08:06] <ubotu> New bug: #118007 in launchpad "comment spam" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118007
[08:10] <ubotu> New bug: #117914 in launchpad "Step by step howto instead of Launchpad scattered answers.  " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117914
[08:30] <ubotu> New bug: #108091 in hplip "Dist-upgrade from Edgy to Feisty: could not install 'hplip'" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/108091
[08:34] <profoX`> kiko: ping?
[09:01] <beuno> welcome DrainBamage
[09:10] <ubotu> New bug: #118016 in launchpad-answers "There is no search portlet on an Answer ticket" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118016
[09:16] <carlos> enjoy!
[09:28] <mantiena> cprov: pong
[09:29] <cprov> mantiena: wonna talk about PPA ? 
[09:33] <mantiena> yea
[09:34] <mantiena> cprov: and you ? ;)
[09:34] <cprov> mantiena: yup
[09:38] <kiko> profoX`, pong.
[09:38] <profoX`> kiko: oh there you are.. :) do you remember me, from the mailing list?
[09:39] <kiko> profoX`, I'm only half-here, but sure I do
[09:39] <cprov> mantiena: did you get my pvt messages ?
[09:40] <profoX`> kiko: hey, if you're too busy, it can wait..
[09:40] <kiko> profoX`, yeah, it would be better to chat tomorrow.
[09:40] <profoX`> kiko: okay :)
[09:44] <kiko> profoX`, oh, you're wesley!
[09:44] <kiko> hang on there.
[09:44] <profoX`> kiko: yea I am
[09:45] <kiko> profoX`, launchpad.net/~wesley is now free. take it!
[09:47] <profoX`> kiko: wow, thanks :) ! I got it..
[09:47] <kiko> enjoy
[09:47] <profoX`> kiko-afk: great; now I can have a good looking email forward ^^ thanks
[09:47] <kiko-afk> :)
[10:01] <ubotu> New bug: #118033 in rosetta "@@/remove and the link to +remove are not denoted as requiring special access" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118033
[10:25] <bdmurray> what is the preferred way to report spammed bugs?
[11:16] <Rinchen> bdmurray, comment spam or spam via bounced messages?
[11:19] <bdmurray> comment spam
[11:20] <Rinchen> I suppose there are two methods: 1) contact an admin on this channel or 2) file an aswers ticket against the Bug Tracker with the bug number in question.
[11:21] <Rinchen> I think the people with super powers to handle that are not around at the moment.
[11:21] <Rinchen> You can also post it to launchpad-users if you feel that would be better.
[11:22] <bdmurray> being subscribed to the ubuntu-bugs mailing list I see it a bit and wanted to know how to report it
[11:23] <Rinchen> basically we'd have to identify if it was intentional or not and if it was a single user or wide spread.
[11:23] <Rinchen> So, we'd need bug reports that have examples of the spam
[11:23] <Rinchen> i.e. bug numbers
[11:24] <bdmurray> bug 56816 is one
[11:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 56816 in ubiquity "Installer Crashed" [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/56816
[11:42] <Rinchen> bdmurray, thanks. I'll contact someone about that.
[11:42] <bdmurray> cool, thank you
[11:44] <Rinchen> bdmurray, I actually found a bug with the exact issue
[11:44] <Rinchen> bug 56816
[11:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 56816 in ubiquity "Installer Crashed" [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/56816
[11:44] <Rinchen> bdmurray, 118007 seems to be the bug report on that so you can subscribe to that one