[03:10] <defcon> what is the correct syntax to apt-get dist-upgrade to gutsy
[03:10] <RAOF> "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"?
[03:11] <defcon> dont work
[03:11] <RAOF> Or, more completely, "sudo sed -i s/feisty/gutsy/g /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade"
[03:12] <defcon> RAOF, how is gutsy for u
[03:17] <defcon> does gutsy still have apt
[03:18] <defcon> what are the differences anyways
[03:18] <RAOF> Yes, of course.
[03:18] <RAOF> Gutsy has newer stuff.
[03:18] <crdlb> heh
[03:18] <defcon> nice
[03:18] <RAOF> If you don't want to file bugs, or do Ubuntu development, you *don't* want to be using Gutsy at this point
[03:18] <crimsun> no, gutsy dropped dpkg and apt for ebuild, checkinstall, and rpm all in a shiny toy called PONY.
[03:19] <crimsun> PINK PONY!
[03:19] <defcon> cool, i'll file bugs
[03:19] <defcon> brb
[03:23] <defcon> how is the new gnome
[03:24] <RAOF> Pretty much the same as the old gnome?
[03:25] <RAOF> Although there's new, shiny compiz.
[03:25] <crimsun> meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
[03:27] <RAOF> Oh, I suppose that Xserver 1.3 might be new and interesting for some people.  XRandR 1.2.  Wooo!
[05:14] <defcon> for some reason in gutsy the update manager says the update index is broken
[05:30] <DanaG> argh, my kcontrol is empty, and Gnome won't log in.
[05:30] <DanaG> ** ERROR **: file window-list.c: line 517 (applet_size_request): assertion failed: (maximum_size >= 0)
[05:34] <DanaG> Hmm, dana@m685:/etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications-merged$ sudo mv kde-essential.menu.dpkg-new kde-essential.menu
[05:35] <DanaG> see if that fixes it....
[05:40] <DanaG> Nope, still borked.
[05:40] <Toma-> Has anyone run gutsy kernel on feisty and had nvidia work?
[05:41] <DanaG> module-assistant has nvidia-new missing...
[05:41] <DanaG> kcontrol: WARNING: No K menu group with X-KDE-BaseGroup=settings found ! Defaulting to Settings/
[05:42] <crimsun> Toma-: yes, presuming you've pulled down the other dependencies.
[05:43] <Toma-> yeh the kernel doesnt depend on anything
[05:44] <crimsun> if you plan to not use l-r-m.
[05:47] <Toma-> yeh
[05:47] <Toma-> ive got the restricted modules installed, but nvidia cant load. should i be getting nvidia-glx for gutsy too?
[05:47] <DanaG> I wonder why my kcontrol is empty...
[05:49] <Hobbsee> DanaG: got kde-guidance installed?
[05:50] <DanaG> Nope.
[05:51] <Hobbsee> that may well be why
[05:51] <Toma-> hmm nvidia-glx needs libc6..
[05:51] <DanaG> Why isn't that a dependency, then?
[05:51] <Hobbsee> DanaG: it is.
[05:51] <DanaG> Still empty.
[05:51] <Hobbsee> of kubuntu-desktop
[05:51] <crimsun> Toma-: yes, you have to.
[05:52] <Hobbsee> apparently seems to be a recommends and a depends
[05:52] <DanaG> I'm using just kdebase-* and kdelibs-*
[05:52] <Toma-> crimsun: shucks :<
[05:52] <Hobbsee> that's why, then.
[05:52] <crimsun> Toma-: the other way, of course, is to recompile the source package on 7.04.
[05:52] <Toma-> sounds easy enough
[05:53] <Toma-> so recompile nvidia-glx or lrm?
[05:53] <Hobbsee> DanaG: still empty even with kde-guidance, which provides system-settings, installed?  hmmm.
[05:54] <crimsun> Toma-: the latter provides the former.  You have to recompile the latter.  You can't recompile the former, because it doesn't exist as a source package.
[05:54] <DanaG> systemsetting gives a segfault.
[05:54] <Toma-> ahh just noticed that
[05:55] <Hobbsee> DanaG: true that.  but i would have thought kcontrol would run
[05:55] <Hobbsee> with the correct stuff in it
[05:55] <DanaG> It's still empty.
[05:55] <Toma-> crimsun: i cant have nvidia-glx compiled for feisty kernel with the gutsy kernel on the same system right?
[05:55] <DanaG> kcontrol in console gives this: kcontrol: WARNING: No K menu group with X-KDE-BaseGroup=settings found ! Defaulting to Settings/
[05:55] <crimsun> Toma-: come again?
[05:56] <defcon> anyone have problems with system update saying database is broken?
[05:56] <crimsun> Toma-: you certainly can have 2.6.20-1[56] -generic alongside 2.6.22-6-generic
[05:56] <Toma-> nvidia-glx(feisty) cant co exist with another package built for gusty nvidia-glx(gutsy)
[05:56] <Toma-> ahh ok
[05:56] <Toma-> so the package versions wont conflict?
[05:57] <crimsun> Toma-: the 3 important pieces are linux-image-2.6.22-6-generic, linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-6-generic, and nvidia-glx
[05:57] <DanaG> Or -new, if you need it.
[05:57] <Toma-> crimsun: ok, 2/3 way there :)
[05:57] <crimsun> seeing how two of those critical pieces don't yet exist for the latest gutsy kernel, you're SOL.
[05:58] <crimsun> [unless of course you compiled them by hand, but then you wouldn't be asking this] 
[05:58] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/80444
[05:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 80444 in kdebase "kcontrol is empty" [Low,Confirmed] 
[05:59] <Toma-> I could just whack 2.6.22 into a feisty build and not bother with gutsy.. but thats a pain :<
[05:59] <Toma-> damn shame we cant keep up to date with kernel fixes
[05:59] <crimsun> err, what?
[05:59] <crimsun> 2.6.20-16 very much is full of fixes
[06:00] <Toma-> Lots of nvidia bugs are fixed in .21 (I still get masses of Xid's on .20) and my network drivers are fixed in .22, iirc
[06:00] <crimsun> those aren't kernel fixes, those are driver fixes
[06:00] <Toma-> yeh
[06:01] <Toma-> sorry D:
[06:01] <DanaG> Crimsun backports lots of things in the packaged kernels.
[06:01] <DanaG> s/things/fixes/
[06:01] <DanaG> as I discovered with part of ALSA.
[06:01] <crimsun> unlucky me.
[06:01] <crimsun> seems I have little sanity remaining.
[06:01] <defcon> i have 7 broken ruby packages, know of any work arounds?
[06:02] <crimsun> defcon: they're not broken, they're replaced by newer ones.
[06:02] <defcon> crimsun, why does synaptic say broken packages? should I remove them?
[06:02] <crimsun> defcon: because you likely have packages that depend on the obsoleted ruby ones.
[06:02] <DanaG> I like powertop.
[06:03] <DanaG> Try aptitude -- it's better at suggesting solutions, in my experience.
[06:03] <crimsun> the ruby packages themselves are not broken.  They're fixed.  The applications depending on the older ruby ones are broken.
[06:03] <DanaG> Run aptitude with no parameters.
[06:03] <crimsun> hence Synaptic will attempt to keep everything working
[06:04] <defcon> crimsun, gnome-art and gnome-splash-screenmanager need it
[06:04] <Toma-> Ill test the network driver bug :S see if its fixed. if not ill leave 2.6.22 be for now
[06:04] <Toma-> thanks again crimsun
[06:04] <Toma-> you have the patience of a saint :)
[06:05] <defcon> also, update manager says "software index is broken"
[06:05] <defcon> any ideas why my software index is broken?
[06:10] <DanaG> My bigger issue, actually, is the fact that Gnome won't start.
[06:17] <DanaG> I'm not sure, but it may be gconf or glib that's broken.
[06:18] <DanaG> ***MEMORY-WARNING***: gnome-session[11556] : GSlice: g_thread_init() must be called before all other GLib functions; memory corruption due to late invocation of g_thread_init() has been detected; this program is likely to crash, leak or unexpectedly abort soon...
[06:22] <DanaG> Hmm, I don't think Edgy->Feisty had these sorts of issues for me.
[06:22] <DanaG> I mean, during alpha.
[06:23] <Hobbsee> no, they had "my computer doesnt boot" problems
[06:24] <Hobbsee> did you run it this early, either?
[06:24] <Hobbsee> we're still in the middle of merge season here, and the first cd isnt out
[06:24] <Hobbsee> this is the earliest i've ever run it, too
[06:24] <DanaG> I think I first tried it when I saw that it had the 2.6.20 kernel.
[06:25] <DanaG> I'm lucky to have missed most of the not-booting issues (jmicron and such), due to my system using the AHCI driver.
[06:26] <DanaG> The only exception was when the "fstype" function in an init script (in initrd) was broken; I fixed it by commenting that section out so it'd use vol_id instead.
[06:27] <Hobbsee> most people had to chroot in and update at least once during feisty cycle
[06:27] <Hobbsee> even on nice hardware
[06:28] <Hobbsee> it's still very early
[06:28] <Hobbsee> doesnt seem lik eit, as ther'es not too much breakage
[06:28] <crimsun> I can make snd.ko go crunch
[06:28] <crimsun> soundcore.ko would be more useful
[06:29] <Hobbsee> nooo!  i like my sound, tyvm.
[06:29] <Hobbsee> crimsun: break gnome.
[06:29] <crimsun> heh, speaking of chrooting, I wasn't even able to boot normally (without break=mount) until the week before 7.04 released
[06:30] <Hobbsee> ouch!
[06:30] <Hobbsee> you know, i'm glad we dont backport kernels
[06:30] <Hobbsee> apart from the sheer insanity of doing it, it'd maek telling the release a lot harder
[06:31] <crimsun> but interestingly enough, some drivers are backported
[06:31] <Hobbsee> true that
[06:31] <crimsun> I kinda threw up a little when I saw that, but I think it's useful for LTS
[06:31] <DanaG> Oh, dock.ko has a bug: no remove function.  Look in dmesg.
[06:32] <DanaG> Then try to modprobe -r it, but make sure to use '&' to background it because it WILL super-hang.
[06:32] <crimsun> hmm, it's probably a bug that it's even modularisable.
[06:33] <crimsun> I'd expect things to break if dock support went away.
[06:36] <DanaG> Oh, and I haven't remembered to test capture on my STAC9250.
[06:37] <crimsun> cp old.orig.tar.gz new.orig.tar.gz; dch -i; debuild -S -sa; dput ubunut foo_source.changes.  Win!
[06:37] <crimsun> look, a new version of kguitar1
[06:38] <Hobbsee> crimsun: *grin*
[06:38] <Hobbsee> crimsun: i'd love to just file a removal request for our package, then get the debian's sync'd across.  but i probably should keep fakesyncing it
[06:39] <crimsun> oh, another md5sum issue?
[06:39] <Hobbsee> yeah.  we packaged it before debian
[06:39] <crimsun> ah
[06:42] <DanaG> How do I run gdm in xnest?  There's no longer a menu item for it.
[06:43] <crimsun> gdmflexiserver -n
[06:44] <Niriven> So if xubuntu-desktop doesnt install due to requiring an old feisty dependency, how would i go about fixing it myself, and submitting a patch?
[06:44] <crimsun> what dependency(ies)?
[06:44] <Niriven> crimsun: xubuntu-desktop requires xfce4-mixer, which will not be installed, because its an older dependency no logner in the repo
[06:45] <crimsun> hmm?
[06:45] <crimsun> crimsun@Box.pts/1.~ apt-cache madison xfce4-mixer
[06:45] <crimsun> xfce4-mixer | 1:4.4.1-1ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Packages
[06:45] <crimsun> xfce4-mixer | 1:4.4.1-1ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Sources
[06:45] <DanaG> Oh, just download the relevant debs from Feisty.
[06:45] <Hobbsee> twitch
[06:45] <DanaG> There's the -alsa package -- find the two with matching versions.
[06:45] <Niriven> crimsun: its looking for 1:4.4-0-0ubuntu1
[06:46] <Hobbsee> xfce4-mixer doesnt install atm, iirc
[06:46] <DanaG> !info xfce-mixer-alsa
[06:46] <ubotu> Package xfce-mixer-alsa does not exist in gutsy
[06:46] <Niriven> DanaG: I could do that, yes, but its a dep that has to be fixed later. Can i fix it and submit a deb or something?
[06:46] <crimsun> we don't accept debs, no
[06:46] <crimsun> we accept debdiffs
[06:46] <crimsun> source-only changes
[06:47] <Niriven> crimsun: I dont think this would be a source change though, just a recompile against the new versioned dependency, right?
[06:47] <DanaG> Bleeding-edge hardware can be painful.
[06:47] <DanaG> (nyuk...)
[06:47] <Niriven> DanaG: Haha, so true :-/
[06:48] <Hobbsee> crimsun: do you know offhand how up to date MOM is?
[06:48] <Hobbsee> it's either on crack, or hasnt run in a while
[06:48] <crimsun> Hobbsee: I know it was showing strange things due to Priority having been removed from seemingly random source packages with an earlier LP rollout
[06:49] <Hobbsee> right
[06:49] <crimsun> don't know offhand if it has run recently, though
[06:49] <Hobbsee> it's saying that i still need to merge sword, yet the merge is already done, and the newer version is already in launchpad + in the archive
[06:49] <Hobbsee> hmm.  it seems to have - no idae about for every package
[06:50] <DanaG> !info feisty xfce-mixer-alsa
[06:50] <ubotu> Package feisty does not exist in gutsy
[06:50] <DanaG> er, wrong order.
[06:50] <Niriven> crimsun: Eh sorry if i sound stupid, im a windows .net integration developer, might as well stab me now :P
[06:50] <DanaG> !info xfce-mixer-alsa feisty
[06:50] <ubotu> Package xfce-mixer-alsa does not exist in feisty
[06:50] <DanaG> Did I miss a '4' there somewhere?
[06:50] <Niriven> Hmmph, ill just go with ubuntu-desktop for now
[06:51] <Niriven> xfce4-
[06:51] <Niriven> !info xfce4-mixer-alsa feisty
[06:51] <ubotu> xfce4-mixer-alsa: Xfce4 Mixer ALSA backend. In component main, is optional. Version 1:4.4.0-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 66 kB, installed size 140 kB
[06:51] <Niriven> !info xfce4-mixer-alsa gutsy
[06:51] <ubotu> xfce4-mixer-alsa: Xfce4 Mixer ALSA backend. In component main, is optional. Version 1:4.4.0-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 66 kB, installed size 140 kB
[06:51] <DanaG> Hah, I try to run "keyboard" to get a tab-complete, and I get this:
[06:51] <DanaG> http://ww11.charter.net/search?qo=keyboard&rn=Sc8xkx6yEReaURt
[06:51] <Hobbsee> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/gutsy_probs.html
[06:52] <DanaG> Don'tcha love trampling on DNS?
[06:56] <Hobbsee> crimsun: i agree wtih you.  alsa is evil
[06:59] <Niriven> !info wine gutsy
[06:59] <ubotu> wine: Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.37-0ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 9788 kB, installed size 45320 kB
[07:00] <Amaranth> i love powertop
[07:00] <Hobbsee> crimsun: err...can you help me?
[07:01] <crimsun> sup?
[07:01] <Amaranth> with it i've discovered the perfect setup for having non-sucky battery life and all the features i want
[07:01] <Niriven> Amaranth: Oh?
[07:01] <Amaranth> turns out i can choose between having wireless or having both cores active if i want to reach C3
[07:01] <Hobbsee> crimsun: if package a is conflicting and replacing package b, and package b is conflicting and replacing package a, and package c depends on a | b, what should happen?
[07:01] <Hobbsee> (xfce-mixer)
[07:01] <Amaranth> so i've got the second core turned off :)
[07:01] <Hobbsee> it sounds very much like circular dependancies
[07:01] <Amaranth> too bad playing music kicks me back out of C3
[07:02] <crimsun> Hobbsee: it should pull whichever fulfills the dependencies
[07:02] <crimsun> Hobbsee: nah, those C/R are for older versions
[07:02] <crimsun> currently installing xfce4-mixer works, because xfce4-mixer-oss is installable
[07:02] <crimsun> I'm chasing down why -alsa isn't
[07:03] <Niriven> So, this could be a poetentail fix and i could get xubuntu-desktop working tonight, or unlikely?
[07:03] <Hobbsee> possibly
[07:03] <Hobbsee> depends if crimsun fixes
[07:03] <Hobbsee> it
[07:03] <Amaranth> i've got compiz, wireless, xchat-gnome, pidgin, and epiphany running and still get an awesomely low number of wakeups
[07:04] <Amaranth> http://www.realistanew.com/random/powertop.png
[07:04] <crimsun> I'll go ahead and merge 4.4.1-3
[07:04] <Amaranth> and spend large amounts of time in C3
[07:04] <Amaranth> i've got nvidia too
[07:04] <Hobbsee> crimsun: that works.
[07:04] <DanaG> Windows battery life: 2 hours 10 minutes.  Linux: 1 hour 45-50 minutes.
[07:04] <DanaG> Plus, I still run Beryl even on battery.
[07:05] <Hobbsee> crimsun: what confuses me though, is why they've both got conflicts on each other, which are unversioned
[07:05] <Hobbsee> i guess users are supposed to knwo which one they need
[07:05] <Hobbsee> seeing it's not the "replacing old versions" case
[07:05] <DanaG> I found out how to make Windows give you a bit more battery life by turning off one core:  use the /ONECPU flag as an alternate option in boot.ini.
[07:06] <Amaranth> sudo sh -c 'echo 0 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/online'
[07:07] <Amaranth> well, that's going to complicate things on airplanes
[07:07] <Niriven> Hobbsee: So whats the technical problem here? I dont understand. Both look like they require the same version.
[07:07] <DanaG> Oh, and emu10k1, tifm_7xx1, and i8021 all take a lot.
[07:07] <Amaranth> wireless kill switch doesn't work and unloading the ipw3945 module doesn't kill the light
[07:07] <Amaranth> i knew the BIOS update would break something
[07:08] <Amaranth> i8042 is your mouse and keyboard :)
[07:08] <Amaranth> tifm_7xx1 shares with your audio
[07:08] <DanaG> I rolled back to an older BIOS.
[07:08] <Amaranth> so it's probably audio killing you, not the little card reader
[07:08] <DanaG> aah.
[07:08] <Amaranth> although i unloaded that module too
[07:08] <Amaranth> dude what laptop do you have?
[07:08] <DanaG> Gateway M685.
[07:09] <Amaranth> nvidia, dual core, tifm_7xx1
[07:09] <DanaG> No extra battery.
[07:09] <Amaranth> i have those things too :)
[07:09] <DanaG> And my hostname is boring: m685.
[07:09] <Amaranth> turn off the second core
[07:09] <DanaG> But better on Service-Discovery-Applet than "Jone Doe's 14" Powerbook G4".
[07:10] <DanaG> er, john.  Or more verbosely, "Jonathan".
[07:10] <Amaranth> brb, going to see how much better it gets when i kill wireless
[07:10] <DanaG> OOpsie, I'm in the -21 kernel.  No dynticks.
[07:10] <DanaG> Time to reboot, and watch my TTYs not work.
[07:13] <Amaranth> damnit
[07:13] <Amaranth> i had hoped the BIOS update would fix this
[07:13] <Amaranth> randomly the computer will start running hot
[07:13] <Amaranth> Wakeups-from-idle per second : 25036.2
[07:13] <Amaranth> and powertop will say something like that, or worse
[07:14] <Amaranth> killing the second core kills the wakeups but not the heat
[07:14] <DanaG> My bios is buggy: sometimes the ACPI temperature goes to 71 C and sticks there, but the "coretemp" module with lm-sensors shows it at 38 C.
[07:14] <Amaranth> i could never get lm-sensors to work
[07:14] <Amaranth> i need a "For Dummies" guide
[07:16] <Amaranth> Probing for `Maxim MAX6648/MAX6692'...                      Success!
[07:16] <Amaranth>     (confidence 8, driver `to-be-written')
[07:16] <Amaranth> oh
[07:16] <Hobbsee> Niriven: not sure exactly.  crimsun should know
[07:16] <Hobbsee> either way, he's fixing t
[07:16] <DanaG> And by "sticks there", I mean the fan speeds up to OMGWTFHOT speeds, and the temperature indicated never again changes, until the next reboot (or perhaps suspend and resume).
[07:17] <Niriven> Hobbsee: Just curious, im not pushing or impatient for a fix, im just happy to be using ubuntu :P
[07:17] <Hobbsee> Niriven: package a is conflicting and replacing package b, and package b is conflicting and replacing package a, and package c depends on a | b.  so it dies in there somewhere, when it cant find one of the packages
[07:19] <Amaranth> well, that's pretty useless
[07:19] <Amaranth> `sensors` just tells me the same thing as `acpi`
[07:19] <Niriven> Hobbsee: Ah
[07:19] <Amaranth> temp1:       +62C  (high =  +100C)
[07:19] <Niriven> Hobbsee: So what do you use, gnome, xfce, kde?
[07:19] <Hobbsee> kde
[07:19] <Niriven> Hobbsee: Ill take a guess and say kde
[07:19] <Niriven> Knew it! :-0
[07:19] <Hobbsee> :)
[07:20] <Niriven> Googling Hobbsee comes up with kubuntu :-0
[07:20] <Hobbsee> :)
[07:24] <Hobbsee> crimsun: could you sponsor an upload for me?
[07:24] <Hobbsee> if so, would you prefer a debdiff, or a .dsc/.diff.gz/.source_changes?
[07:25] <crimsun> Hobbsee: new upstream version?
[07:25] <crimsun> if so, the latter
[07:25] <crimsun> if not a new upstream version, the former
[07:26] <Hobbsee> crimsun: not a new upstream
[07:26] <DanaG> aah: Some CPUs or memory controllers may also contain embedded sensors.
[07:26] <DanaG> AMD K8 thermal sensors...                                   No
[07:26] <DanaG> Intel Core family thermal sensor...                         Success!
[07:26] <DanaG>     (driver `coretemp')
[07:26] <DanaG> Intel AMB FB-DIMM thermal sensor...                         No
[07:27] <Hobbsee> crimsun: http://hobbsee.ubuntuwire.com/gtk-qt-engine.debdiff
[07:27] <Niriven> Heh, ubuntu-desktop is also broken, oh well
[07:28] <Hobbsee> Niriven: yeha, but i think that's something else
[07:28] <Hobbsee> that may be poppler
[07:28] <crimsun> yeah, poppler.
[07:28] <Hobbsee> Niriven: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/gutsy_probs.html is the broken stuff in main
[07:28] <Hobbsee> hah.  kubuntu-desktop is installable
[07:28] <Niriven> Hobbsee: I dont see anything about poppler in there
[07:29] <Niriven> Hobbsee: Ghostscript
[07:29] <Hobbsee> which will depend on poppler, yes
[07:29] <Amaranth> wow, that can't be right
[07:29] <Niriven> Hobbsee: Ah.
[07:29] <Hobbsee> most likely
[07:29] <Amaranth> apparently i have a fill rate of 1B pixels/sec
[07:30] <Amaranth> oh, i guess that can be right
[07:30] <Amaranth> damn that's a lot
[07:31] <crimsun> Hobbsee:   gtk-qt-engine_0.8~svn-rev36-2ubuntu2_source.changes: done.
[07:31] <crimsun> Successfully uploaded packages.
[07:31] <Niriven> Hobbsee: Well, depends on ghostscript, ghostscript ends in dpkg with no real error except exit status 1
[07:32] <Hobbsee> crimsun: thanks very much
[07:32] <crimsun> np
[07:32] <Hobbsee> Niriven: which is masking a real error
[07:33] <crimsun> Niriven: if you want to see the error, use dpkg -D3773 -i
[07:33] <crimsun> caveat: that's the most verbose spew possible.
[07:33] <Niriven> crimsun: Not really a valid argument
[07:34] <crimsun> hmm?
[07:34] <crimsun> dpkg -D3773 -i ghostscript*.deb
[07:34] <Niriven> Oh.
[07:34] <Niriven> Right
[07:34] <crimsun> Right. :)
[07:34] <Hobbsee> hooray.  closing bugs by changelog
[07:35] <crimsun> yeah, that's sweet.
[07:35] <Niriven> Ehck.
[07:36] <Niriven> No poppler in that error :P
[07:36] <Hobbsee> what's the error?
[07:36] <Hobbsee> pastebin it
[07:36] <Niriven> Well, i cant,
[07:37] <Niriven> I have no network on the machine at the moment
[07:37] <Niriven> Err, wait.
[07:37] <crimsun> ah, it's a packaging error that cdbs exposes
[07:38] <Hobbsee> ooh, more poppler buggery
[07:38] <Hobbsee> Face of Albert Astals Cid (TSDgeos)Today i released poppler 0.5.9 aka 0.6 Release Candidate 1, this is the first time i do a release on the poppler project, so hope i did it right :-D
[07:38] <Hobbsee> We are targetting 27th June for 0.6 release, but that may slip depending on feedback from this release.
[07:38] <Hobbsee> so all this can break again!
[07:39] <Niriven> Well for now, i think im headed back to 7.04 :-0
[07:39] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:39] <Hobbsee> smart
[07:39] <Hobbsee> give it a few months
[07:40] <Niriven> Whats going to happen when you move over to pidgin, how do you manage something if it renames?
[07:40] <crimsun> what do you mean by "renames"?
[07:41] <crimsun> the gaim -> pidgin conversion was transparent
[07:41] <crimsun> are you referring to packages needing to be renamed, or..?
[07:42] <Niriven> Well im just wondering how it's handled. I dont know much about this stuff
[07:43] <Niriven> If a package is renamed.
[07:43] <crimsun> to what does "it" refer?
[07:43] <crimsun> ah, then we have to change the source package
[07:43] <Niriven> Well yes, but what about previously installed packages registered with dpkg, do you have scripts to remove first, then reinstall?
[07:45] <stdin> there are "tags" in the package that will say that it conflicts/replaces the previous package name
[07:46] <Niriven> Ah
[07:47] <Niriven> I'm a wannabe linux developer :-0
[07:47] <DanaG> Hmm, installed ubuntu-desktop and rebooted... still empty kcontrol.
[07:48] <DanaG> Oh, and my consoles are blank, yet I can blindly log in and sudo usplash -c  -- and it shows up.
[07:48] <DanaG> All my kcontrol things are under "Lost and found" in the K menu.
[07:48] <DanaG> And gnome won't start.
[07:49] <Hobbsee> DanaG: i'm surprised you thought ubuntu-desktop would be the solveall -surely kuubntu-desktop would, seeing as it's kde?
[07:49] <DanaG> I mis-typed.
[07:49] <DanaG> I installed kubuntu-desktop.
[07:49] <DanaG> Oh well, time to switch to KDE for a while, then.
[07:50] <stdin> reminds me of an early feisty bug
[07:51] <DanaG> Or at the very least, a QT theme to match Ubuntulooks / Human.
[07:51] <DanaG> Hmm, there's no Kubuntu preset theme-manager theme.
[07:51] <Amaranth> DanaG: there is but it's for Qt4
[07:52] <Amaranth> it's called cleanlooks or something
[07:52] <Hobbsee> there's qtcurve, too
[07:52] <Hobbsee> if it's gone thru NEW
[07:52] <DanaG> Argh, I try to run qtconfig-qt4
[07:53] <DanaG> I get this: http://ww11.charter.net/search?qo=qtconfig-qt4&rn=5rwZxGqCkUT4an7
[07:53] <DanaG> Damn trampled DNS.
[07:53] <DanaG> What color scheme does Kubuntu use by default?
[07:53] <Hobbsee> purpley-blue, atm
[07:54] <stdin> it just so happens to match the LEDs of my laptop
[07:54] <stdin> which I was quite pleased about :p
[07:55] <DanaG> The mildly-OMGbright (as in, only OMG if the room is very dark) LEDs are toggleable with a BIOS-based hotkey.
[07:56] <DanaG> What KDE themes do you use?  I can never find anything I persistently like.
[07:56] <Hobbsee> crimsun: is there anything worth installing in gnome?  apart from firefox?
[07:56] <Hobbsee> polyester / crystal here
[07:56] <DanaG> When in Windows, I use the Eminence windowblinds theme -- I've never found anything else nearly as wonderful.
[07:57] <Hobbsee> DanaG: http://buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee/misc/background2.png
[07:57] <Hobbsee> is what my desktop tends to look like
[07:57] <Hobbsee> oh wait, i'ts changed now
[07:57] <DanaG> The default theme schemas could not be found on your system.  This means that you probably don't have metacity installed, or that your gconf is configured incorrectly.
[07:57] <DanaG> Oh....
[07:57] <DanaG> WTF?
[07:58] <Hobbsee> the theme is right, anyway.  kicker has changed a bit
[08:00] <DanaG> What color scheme is set by default?
[08:01] <DanaG> My battery tells me that I can get as low as 23 watts power usage.  Should I believe it?
[08:01] <Amaranth> 23 is a lot
[08:01] <DanaG> Core Duo 1.83GHz, 1GB DDR2-667, 80GB 5400RPM drive, 17" but matte and dim panel.
[08:02] <Amaranth> ah, 17"
[08:02] <Amaranth> the powertop website shows a laptop pulling 13
[08:02] <DanaG> I thought the CPU alone would be 20.
[08:02] <Amaranth> nah
[08:03] <Amaranth> your power brick probably only does 85
[08:03] <DanaG> It's a 120 watt brick,
[08:03] <Amaranth> huh
[08:03] <DanaG> because Gateway also offers the system with a Go 7600 and a 1680x1050 LCD.
[08:03] <DanaG> er, 7900.
[08:04] <Amaranth> where does it read that info from, do you know?
[08:04] <DanaG> I have a 7600 (128MB, bad for Beryl .  :(   ) and a 1440x900
[08:04] <Amaranth> i'd like to know how many watts i'm pulling
[08:04] <DanaG> ACPI controller tells you.
[08:04] <DanaG> Powertop tells you, too.
[08:04] <Amaranth> powertop tells me it can't get the info :/
[08:05] <DanaG> Sudo it.
[08:05] <Amaranth> same
[08:05] <DanaG> And be on 2.6.21 or above.
[08:05] <Amaranth> uh
[08:05] <Amaranth> not stupid ;)
[08:05] <Amaranth> http://www.realistanew.com/random/powertop.png
[08:05] <DanaG> Hmm, perhaps it only works with Intel.
[08:05] <Amaranth> i have intel....
[08:05] <Amaranth> Computer: sorrow | Distro: Ubuntu 7.10 "gutsy" | Processor: 2.00Ghz | Model: Intel T2500 @ 2.00GHz | Memory: 1009MB Free: 688MB [     ]  | Diskspace: 91.90GB Free: 33.50GB | Video: nVidia GeForce Go 7400 @ 1440x900 (24 bpp) | Net: Down: 25.00MB Up: 1.29MB | Battery: 100%
[08:05] <Amaranth> ack why does it say 2Ghz both times?
[08:06] <DanaG> That bar thingy reminds me of something:
[08:06] <Amaranth> that means the CPU is running full tilt
[08:07] <DanaG> /*  */
[08:07] <Amaranth> neat
[08:08] <Amaranth> no ACPI power usage estimate available
[08:08] <DanaG> Oh wow, negative 6774 wakeups per second.
[08:08] <DanaG> When unplugging AC.
[08:10] <DanaG> around 700 wakeups per second.
[08:10] <DanaG> yenta, tifm_7xx1, ipw3945 are 29%.
[08:10] <DanaG> Woah, 2.2 hours left?  I can hardly believe it.
[08:10] <Amaranth> i idle at around 120
[08:10] <DanaG> Must be the spinning down of the drive.
[08:10] <Amaranth> wakeups per second
[08:10] <DanaG> Now down to 300.
[08:11] <Amaranth> yeah, stop moving the mouse and typing :)
[08:11] <DanaG> Also, toggle off the wireless.
[08:11] <Amaranth> no need
[08:11] <Amaranth> kill the second core instead
[08:11] <DanaG> how, again?
[08:11] <Amaranth> you're fully up-to-date gutsy using powertop 1.5, right?
[08:11] <DanaG> Yeah.
[08:12] <Amaranth> sudo sh -c 'echo 0 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/online'
[08:12] <Amaranth> also, typing is far less taxing than moving the mouse :)
[08:13] <Amaranth> the lowest thing on my list of top causes is 5.6 wakeups per second
[08:13] <Amaranth> the highest is nvidia pumping out slightly more interrupts than my refresh rate
[08:13] <Amaranth> 67 wakeups
[08:16] <DanaG> System locked up,
[08:16] <Amaranth> dang
[08:16] <DanaG> but magic-sysrq was able to sync before I had to hard-button it.
[08:16] <DanaG> I like my LED-toggle button.
[08:17] <Amaranth> i wish powertop would check the gnome-power-manager version before telling me it's costing me power and telling me to kill it
[08:17] <DanaG> Oh yeah, another odd thing on this notebook:  AC on == Fan on.  No way around it.
[08:17] <Amaranth> on their website they say it makes xorg do more work but i'm not getting extra wakeups when i have it running
[08:17] <Amaranth> actually i think i'm getting less
[08:17] <DanaG> Don'tcha love trampling DNS?
[08:18] <DanaG> Mis-type a command, you get this: http://www11.charter.net
[08:18] <Amaranth> also, use the powersave cpufreq governor
[08:18] <DanaG> I have been doing that one thing for years.
[08:18] <DanaG> In WIndows with RMCLock, too.
[08:18] <Amaranth> kills about 20 wakeups ondemand uses to check if it needs to scale
[08:20] <DanaG> Oh, but no touchpad-disable button.  :(  /me wishes he could've gotten an HP.
[08:20] <DanaG> Oh, and now I'm using kwin instead of Beryl.
[08:21] <DanaG> yenta, tifm_7xx1, ipw3945 -- taking 20.2% of wakeups.
[08:28] <DanaG> Argh, ksynaptics makes my scroll zone take up half of my touchpad.
[08:29] <DanaG> It's funny, at my school I downloaded something from mirrors.kernel.org over the wired network.
[08:29] <DanaG> I got at least 7000 kilobytes per second.
[08:37] <DanaG> Aah, I found out why it crashed:
[08:37] <DanaG> You need echo -n.
[08:38] <crimsun> heh, yeah, \n is bad
[08:39] <DanaG> That reminds me of a funny Debian bug:
[08:39] <DanaG> combining -n, -e, and \n, to make a non-portable thing, where if all three worked, they canceled each other out.
[08:40] <DanaG> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=419619
[08:40] <ubotu> Debian bug 419619 in gsfonts "gsfonts: postinst/prerm echo -e" [Minor,Closed] 
[08:41] <DanaG> Gaah, guidance-powermanager ALSO turns off m backlight between discrete brightness levels.
[08:42] <DanaG> Every step decreases or increases the brightness by 0%.  Lovely.
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[10:47] <_4str1> yop yop
[10:58] <cyrill62> Bonjour tout le monde
[10:59] <cyrill62> Quelqu'un sait-il comment passer de gcc-4.1  gcc-4.2 en version par dfaut de gcc?
[10:59] <cyrill62> (donc du mme coup g++, cpp, gccbug, etc...)
[11:00] <cyrill62> oops! in English sorry
[11:00] <cyrill62> lol
[11:00] <cyrill62> Hi everybody
[11:01] <cyrill62> Nobody know how to switch gcc to gcc-4.2 version?
[11:01] <cyrill62> and in the same time g++, cpp, gccbug...
[11:22] <Fjodor> apt-get seems to complain that packages to be installed cannot be authenticated. Does anyone know if the key for dk.archive.ubuntu.com is the same as for archive.ubuntu.com, and where/how to get/install it?
[11:32] <defcon> anyone manage to get truecrypt installed on gutsy
[11:40] <defcon> where is the gutsy kernel source dir
[11:41] <kekZpriester> i didn't see that cyrill62 wrote the same in english some lines below... and i translates all the text properly with the litte french i learnt in 2 years in school
[11:41] <defcon> nm
[11:47] <defcon> where do I download the gutsy kernel source
[11:48] <crimsun> apt-get source linux-2.6.22
[11:48] <crimsun> err
[11:48] <crimsun> apt-get source linux-source-2.6.22
[11:58] <defcon> thnx
[11:59] <defcon> gutsy works great
[12:00] <defcon> so far I dont notice a difference other than the speed
[12:00] <defcon> is it normal for it to boot up saying decompressing kernel ""
[12:09] <defcon> truecrypt compile worked very easily on gutsy
[12:09] <defcon> im supprised someone hasnt made a .deb for it yet
[12:17] <johnnybuoy> hi all!
[12:18] <johnnybuoy> M$ stole lowfat from macslow! I can't believe it!
[01:51] <defcon> does kubuntu work on gutsy?
[04:04] <rashid> hello
[06:28] <Jazon> hi guys :)
[06:29] <Jazon> i am installing feisty on a mates desktop, and am running into a problem i can't seem to get past.
[06:29] <Jazon> he has a belkin usb wifi
[06:29] <Jazon> it shows up as wlan0
[06:29] <Jazon> :-D
[06:29] <gnomefreak> Jazon: join #ubuntu for feisty support
[06:29] <Hobbsee> no problem with that, per se, and this is not the feisty channel
[06:30] <Jazon> gnomefreak: ahhhhh ok..   thx gnomefreak
[06:30] <Jazon> what is +1 for now then?  i thought it was for feisty (???)
[06:30] <Jazon> gutsy
[06:30] <Jazon> lol
[06:30] <gnomefreak> gutsy please read topic
[06:31] <Jazon> heh - my bad sorry guys hehe
[06:41] <CarlFK> qemu -boot n hda.qcow2 = No valid PXE rom found for network device
[06:41] <CarlFK> guessing this is a packaging problem
[11:48] <borschty_> i have the problem, that the o-umlaut () is rendered very narrow and pretty different from the normal "o" in some font sizes, sometimes even the second dot on the top is missing
[11:49] <borschty_> is this a problem of my font-settings or a general problem affecting all users
[11:50] <gnomefreak> borschty_: feisty?
[11:50] <borschty_> no, gutsy
[11:50] <gnomefreak> borschty_: its normal atm. please file a bug report/check if ther eis one already filed
[11:50] <borschty_> 86 dpi, monospace 12
[11:51] <borschty_> i just wanted to know if it could be, because i changed some font settings recently (activated and then deactivated autohinter)
[11:51] <gnomefreak> borschty_: i have seen many the same issue. please file bug report on it
[11:51] <gnomefreak> borschty_: dont know why its like that. i dont work on fonts (thankfully)
[11:52] <borschty_> ok, what do you think i should file against, it seems pango has nothing to do with it, since it happens in epiphany's gecko backend (pango disabled), too
[11:52] <gnomefreak> borschty_: try fonts
[11:53] <gnomefreak> or libfont. or just ubuntu it will be placed where it needs to be
[11:53] <borschty_> should i add a screenshot?
[11:53] <gnomefreak> yes all info you can give