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| defcon | what is the correct syntax to apt-get dist-upgrade to gutsy | 03:10 |
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| RAOF | "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"? | 03:10 |
| defcon | dont work | 03:11 |
| RAOF | Or, more completely, "sudo sed -i s/feisty/gutsy/g /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade" | 03:11 |
| defcon | RAOF, how is gutsy for u | 03:12 |
| defcon | does gutsy still have apt | 03:17 |
| defcon | what are the differences anyways | 03:18 |
| RAOF | Yes, of course. | 03:18 |
| RAOF | Gutsy has newer stuff. | 03:18 |
| crdlb | heh | 03:18 |
| defcon | nice | 03:18 |
| RAOF | If you don't want to file bugs, or do Ubuntu development, you *don't* want to be using Gutsy at this point | 03:18 |
| crimsun | no, gutsy dropped dpkg and apt for ebuild, checkinstall, and rpm all in a shiny toy called PONY. | 03:18 |
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| crimsun | PINK PONY! | 03:19 |
| defcon | cool, i'll file bugs | 03:19 |
| defcon | brb | 03:19 |
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| defcon | how is the new gnome | 03:23 |
| RAOF | Pretty much the same as the old gnome? | 03:24 |
| RAOF | Although there's new, shiny compiz. | 03:25 |
| crimsun | meet the new boss, same as the old boss. | 03:25 |
| RAOF | Oh, I suppose that Xserver 1.3 might be new and interesting for some people. XRandR 1.2. Wooo! | 03:27 |
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| defcon | for some reason in gutsy the update manager says the update index is broken | 05:14 |
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| DanaG | argh, my kcontrol is empty, and Gnome won't log in. | 05:30 |
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| DanaG | ** ERROR **: file window-list.c: line 517 (applet_size_request): assertion failed: (maximum_size >= 0) | 05:30 |
| DanaG | Hmm, dana@m685:/etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications-merged$ sudo mv kde-essential.menu.dpkg-new kde-essential.menu | 05:34 |
| DanaG | see if that fixes it.... | 05:35 |
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| DanaG | Nope, still borked. | 05:40 |
| Toma- | Has anyone run gutsy kernel on feisty and had nvidia work? | 05:40 |
| DanaG | module-assistant has nvidia-new missing... | 05:41 |
| DanaG | kcontrol: WARNING: No K menu group with X-KDE-BaseGroup=settings found ! Defaulting to Settings/ | 05:41 |
| crimsun | Toma-: yes, presuming you've pulled down the other dependencies. | 05:42 |
| Toma- | yeh the kernel doesnt depend on anything | 05:43 |
| crimsun | if you plan to not use l-r-m. | 05:44 |
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| Toma- | yeh | 05:47 |
| Toma- | ive got the restricted modules installed, but nvidia cant load. should i be getting nvidia-glx for gutsy too? | 05:47 |
| DanaG | I wonder why my kcontrol is empty... | 05:47 |
| Hobbsee | DanaG: got kde-guidance installed? | 05:49 |
| DanaG | Nope. | 05:50 |
| Hobbsee | that may well be why | 05:51 |
| Toma- | hmm nvidia-glx needs libc6.. | 05:51 |
| DanaG | Why isn't that a dependency, then? | 05:51 |
| Hobbsee | DanaG: it is. | 05:51 |
| DanaG | Still empty. | 05:51 |
| Hobbsee | of kubuntu-desktop | 05:51 |
| crimsun | Toma-: yes, you have to. | 05:51 |
| Hobbsee | apparently seems to be a recommends and a depends | 05:52 |
| DanaG | I'm using just kdebase-* and kdelibs-* | 05:52 |
| Toma- | crimsun: shucks :< | 05:52 |
| Hobbsee | that's why, then. | 05:52 |
| crimsun | Toma-: the other way, of course, is to recompile the source package on 7.04. | 05:52 |
| Toma- | sounds easy enough | 05:52 |
| Toma- | so recompile nvidia-glx or lrm? | 05:53 |
| Hobbsee | DanaG: still empty even with kde-guidance, which provides system-settings, installed? hmmm. | 05:53 |
| crimsun | Toma-: the latter provides the former. You have to recompile the latter. You can't recompile the former, because it doesn't exist as a source package. | 05:54 |
| DanaG | systemsetting gives a segfault. | 05:54 |
| Toma- | ahh just noticed that | 05:54 |
| Hobbsee | DanaG: true that. but i would have thought kcontrol would run | 05:55 |
| Hobbsee | with the correct stuff in it | 05:55 |
| DanaG | It's still empty. | 05:55 |
| Toma- | crimsun: i cant have nvidia-glx compiled for feisty kernel with the gutsy kernel on the same system right? | 05:55 |
| DanaG | kcontrol in console gives this: kcontrol: WARNING: No K menu group with X-KDE-BaseGroup=settings found ! Defaulting to Settings/ | 05:55 |
| crimsun | Toma-: come again? | 05:55 |
| defcon | anyone have problems with system update saying database is broken? | 05:56 |
| crimsun | Toma-: you certainly can have 2.6.20-1[56] -generic alongside 2.6.22-6-generic | 05:56 |
| Toma- | nvidia-glx(feisty) cant co exist with another package built for gusty nvidia-glx(gutsy) | 05:56 |
| Toma- | ahh ok | 05:56 |
| Toma- | so the package versions wont conflict? | 05:56 |
| crimsun | Toma-: the 3 important pieces are linux-image-2.6.22-6-generic, linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-6-generic, and nvidia-glx | 05:57 |
| DanaG | Or -new, if you need it. | 05:57 |
| Toma- | crimsun: ok, 2/3 way there :) | 05:57 |
| crimsun | seeing how two of those critical pieces don't yet exist for the latest gutsy kernel, you're SOL. | 05:57 |
| crimsun | [unless of course you compiled them by hand, but then you wouldn't be asking this] | 05:58 |
| DanaG | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/80444 | 05:58 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 80444 in kdebase "kcontrol is empty" [Low,Confirmed] | 05:58 |
| Toma- | I could just whack 2.6.22 into a feisty build and not bother with gutsy.. but thats a pain :< | 05:59 |
| Toma- | damn shame we cant keep up to date with kernel fixes | 05:59 |
| crimsun | err, what? | 05:59 |
| crimsun | 2.6.20-16 very much is full of fixes | 05:59 |
| Toma- | Lots of nvidia bugs are fixed in .21 (I still get masses of Xid's on .20) and my network drivers are fixed in .22, iirc | 06:00 |
| crimsun | those aren't kernel fixes, those are driver fixes | 06:00 |
| Toma- | yeh | 06:00 |
| Toma- | sorry D: | 06:01 |
| DanaG | Crimsun backports lots of things in the packaged kernels. | 06:01 |
| DanaG | s/things/fixes/ | 06:01 |
| DanaG | as I discovered with part of ALSA. | 06:01 |
| crimsun | unlucky me. | 06:01 |
| crimsun | seems I have little sanity remaining. | 06:01 |
| defcon | i have 7 broken ruby packages, know of any work arounds? | 06:01 |
| crimsun | defcon: they're not broken, they're replaced by newer ones. | 06:02 |
| defcon | crimsun, why does synaptic say broken packages? should I remove them? | 06:02 |
| crimsun | defcon: because you likely have packages that depend on the obsoleted ruby ones. | 06:02 |
| DanaG | I like powertop. | 06:02 |
| DanaG | Try aptitude -- it's better at suggesting solutions, in my experience. | 06:03 |
| crimsun | the ruby packages themselves are not broken. They're fixed. The applications depending on the older ruby ones are broken. | 06:03 |
| DanaG | Run aptitude with no parameters. | 06:03 |
| crimsun | hence Synaptic will attempt to keep everything working | 06:03 |
| defcon | crimsun, gnome-art and gnome-splash-screenmanager need it | 06:04 |
| Toma- | Ill test the network driver bug :S see if its fixed. if not ill leave 2.6.22 be for now | 06:04 |
| Toma- | thanks again crimsun | 06:04 |
| Toma- | you have the patience of a saint :) | 06:04 |
| defcon | also, update manager says "software index is broken" | 06:05 |
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| defcon | any ideas why my software index is broken? | 06:05 |
| === DanaG is glad to have e1000 and ipw3945, rather than Realtek-something-or-other and Broadcom / ndiswrapper. | ||
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| DanaG | My bigger issue, actually, is the fact that Gnome won't start. | 06:10 |
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| DanaG | I'm not sure, but it may be gconf or glib that's broken. | 06:17 |
| DanaG | ***MEMORY-WARNING***: gnome-session[11556] : GSlice: g_thread_init() must be called before all other GLib functions; memory corruption due to late invocation of g_thread_init() has been detected; this program is likely to crash, leak or unexpectedly abort soon... | 06:18 |
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| DanaG | Hmm, I don't think Edgy->Feisty had these sorts of issues for me. | 06:22 |
| DanaG | I mean, during alpha. | 06:22 |
| Hobbsee | no, they had "my computer doesnt boot" problems | 06:23 |
| Hobbsee | did you run it this early, either? | 06:24 |
| Hobbsee | we're still in the middle of merge season here, and the first cd isnt out | 06:24 |
| Hobbsee | this is the earliest i've ever run it, too | 06:24 |
| DanaG | I think I first tried it when I saw that it had the 2.6.20 kernel. | 06:24 |
| DanaG | I'm lucky to have missed most of the not-booting issues (jmicron and such), due to my system using the AHCI driver. | 06:25 |
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| DanaG | The only exception was when the "fstype" function in an init script (in initrd) was broken; I fixed it by commenting that section out so it'd use vol_id instead. | 06:26 |
| Hobbsee | most people had to chroot in and update at least once during feisty cycle | 06:27 |
| Hobbsee | even on nice hardware | 06:27 |
| Hobbsee | it's still very early | 06:28 |
| Hobbsee | doesnt seem lik eit, as ther'es not too much breakage | 06:28 |
| === Hobbsee should break some more | ||
| crimsun | I can make snd.ko go crunch | 06:28 |
| crimsun | soundcore.ko would be more useful | 06:28 |
| Hobbsee | nooo! i like my sound, tyvm. | 06:29 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: break gnome. | 06:29 |
| crimsun | heh, speaking of chrooting, I wasn't even able to boot normally (without break=mount) until the week before 7.04 released | 06:29 |
| Hobbsee | ouch! | 06:30 |
| Hobbsee | you know, i'm glad we dont backport kernels | 06:30 |
| Hobbsee | apart from the sheer insanity of doing it, it'd maek telling the release a lot harder | 06:30 |
| crimsun | but interestingly enough, some drivers are backported | 06:31 |
| Hobbsee | true that | 06:31 |
| crimsun | I kinda threw up a little when I saw that, but I think it's useful for LTS | 06:31 |
| === DanaG used to be able to cause a panic by removing and reinserting the cardbus Audigy. | ||
| DanaG | Oh, dock.ko has a bug: no remove function. Look in dmesg. | 06:31 |
| DanaG | Then try to modprobe -r it, but make sure to use '&' to background it because it WILL super-hang. | 06:32 |
| crimsun | hmm, it's probably a bug that it's even modularisable. | 06:32 |
| crimsun | I'd expect things to break if dock support went away. | 06:33 |
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| DanaG | Oh, and I haven't remembered to test capture on my STAC9250. | 06:36 |
| === Hobbsee wishes kguitar would just go release a new upstream | ||
| crimsun | cp old.orig.tar.gz new.orig.tar.gz; dch -i; debuild -S -sa; dput ubunut foo_source.changes. Win! | 06:37 |
| crimsun | look, a new version of kguitar1 | 06:37 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: *grin* | 06:38 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: i'd love to just file a removal request for our package, then get the debian's sync'd across. but i probably should keep fakesyncing it | 06:38 |
| crimsun | oh, another md5sum issue? | 06:39 |
| Hobbsee | yeah. we packaged it before debian | 06:39 |
| crimsun | ah | 06:39 |
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| DanaG | How do I run gdm in xnest? There's no longer a menu item for it. | 06:42 |
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| crimsun | gdmflexiserver -n | 06:43 |
| Niriven | So if xubuntu-desktop doesnt install due to requiring an old feisty dependency, how would i go about fixing it myself, and submitting a patch? | 06:44 |
| crimsun | what dependency(ies)? | 06:44 |
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| Niriven | crimsun: xubuntu-desktop requires xfce4-mixer, which will not be installed, because its an older dependency no logner in the repo | 06:44 |
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| crimsun | hmm? | 06:45 |
| crimsun | crimsun@Box.pts/1.~ apt-cache madison xfce4-mixer | 06:45 |
| crimsun | xfce4-mixer | 1:4.4.1-1ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Packages | 06:45 |
| crimsun | xfce4-mixer | 1:4.4.1-1ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Sources | 06:45 |
| DanaG | Oh, just download the relevant debs from Feisty. | 06:45 |
| Hobbsee | twitch | 06:45 |
| DanaG | There's the -alsa package -- find the two with matching versions. | 06:45 |
| Niriven | crimsun: its looking for 1:4.4-0-0ubuntu1 | 06:45 |
| Hobbsee | xfce4-mixer doesnt install atm, iirc | 06:46 |
| DanaG | !info xfce-mixer-alsa | 06:46 |
| ubotu | Package xfce-mixer-alsa does not exist in gutsy | 06:46 |
| Niriven | DanaG: I could do that, yes, but its a dep that has to be fixed later. Can i fix it and submit a deb or something? | 06:46 |
| crimsun | we don't accept debs, no | 06:46 |
| crimsun | we accept debdiffs | 06:46 |
| crimsun | source-only changes | 06:46 |
| Niriven | crimsun: I dont think this would be a source change though, just a recompile against the new versioned dependency, right? | 06:47 |
| === DanaG is not a dev, just a person who likes being on the "bleeding edge" -- but only on software, and only when I also have other OSes. | ||
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| DanaG | Bleeding-edge hardware can be painful. | 06:47 |
| DanaG | (nyuk...) | 06:47 |
| Niriven | DanaG: Haha, so true :-/ | 06:47 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: do you know offhand how up to date MOM is? | 06:48 |
| Hobbsee | it's either on crack, or hasnt run in a while | 06:48 |
| crimsun | Hobbsee: I know it was showing strange things due to Priority having been removed from seemingly random source packages with an earlier LP rollout | 06:48 |
| Hobbsee | right | 06:49 |
| crimsun | don't know offhand if it has run recently, though | 06:49 |
| Hobbsee | it's saying that i still need to merge sword, yet the merge is already done, and the newer version is already in launchpad + in the archive | 06:49 |
| Hobbsee | hmm. it seems to have - no idae about for every package | 06:49 |
| DanaG | !info feisty xfce-mixer-alsa | 06:50 |
| ubotu | Package feisty does not exist in gutsy | 06:50 |
| DanaG | er, wrong order. | 06:50 |
| Niriven | crimsun: Eh sorry if i sound stupid, im a windows .net integration developer, might as well stab me now :P | 06:50 |
| DanaG | !info xfce-mixer-alsa feisty | 06:50 |
| ubotu | Package xfce-mixer-alsa does not exist in feisty | 06:50 |
| DanaG | Did I miss a '4' there somewhere? | 06:50 |
| Niriven | Hmmph, ill just go with ubuntu-desktop for now | 06:50 |
| Niriven | xfce4- | 06:51 |
| Niriven | !info xfce4-mixer-alsa feisty | 06:51 |
| ubotu | xfce4-mixer-alsa: Xfce4 Mixer ALSA backend. In component main, is optional. Version 1:4.4.0-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 66 kB, installed size 140 kB | 06:51 |
| Niriven | !info xfce4-mixer-alsa gutsy | 06:51 |
| ubotu | xfce4-mixer-alsa: Xfce4 Mixer ALSA backend. In component main, is optional. Version 1:4.4.0-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 66 kB, installed size 140 kB | 06:51 |
| DanaG | Hah, I try to run "keyboard" to get a tab-complete, and I get this: | 06:51 |
| DanaG | http://ww11.charter.net/search?qo=keyboard&rn=Sc8xkx6yEReaURt | 06:51 |
| Hobbsee | http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/gutsy_probs.html | 06:51 |
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| DanaG | Don'tcha love trampling on DNS? | 06:52 |
| === Hobbsee looks into the xfce stuff | ||
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| Hobbsee | crimsun: i agree wtih you. alsa is evil | 06:56 |
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| Niriven | !info wine gutsy | 06:59 |
| ubotu | wine: Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.37-0ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 9788 kB, installed size 45320 kB | 06:59 |
| Amaranth | i love powertop | 07:00 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: err...can you help me? | 07:00 |
| crimsun | sup? | 07:01 |
| Amaranth | with it i've discovered the perfect setup for having non-sucky battery life and all the features i want | 07:01 |
| Niriven | Amaranth: Oh? | 07:01 |
| Amaranth | turns out i can choose between having wireless or having both cores active if i want to reach C3 | 07:01 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: if package a is conflicting and replacing package b, and package b is conflicting and replacing package a, and package c depends on a | b, what should happen? | 07:01 |
| Hobbsee | (xfce-mixer) | 07:01 |
| Amaranth | so i've got the second core turned off :) | 07:01 |
| Hobbsee | it sounds very much like circular dependancies | 07:01 |
| Amaranth | too bad playing music kicks me back out of C3 | 07:01 |
| crimsun | Hobbsee: it should pull whichever fulfills the dependencies | 07:02 |
| crimsun | Hobbsee: nah, those C/R are for older versions | 07:02 |
| crimsun | currently installing xfce4-mixer works, because xfce4-mixer-oss is installable | 07:02 |
| crimsun | I'm chasing down why -alsa isn't | 07:02 |
| Niriven | So, this could be a poetentail fix and i could get xubuntu-desktop working tonight, or unlikely? | 07:03 |
| Hobbsee | possibly | 07:03 |
| Hobbsee | depends if crimsun fixes | 07:03 |
| Hobbsee | it | 07:03 |
| Amaranth | i've got compiz, wireless, xchat-gnome, pidgin, and epiphany running and still get an awesomely low number of wakeups | 07:03 |
| Amaranth | http://www.realistanew.com/random/powertop.png | 07:04 |
| crimsun | I'll go ahead and merge 4.4.1-3 | 07:04 |
| Amaranth | and spend large amounts of time in C3 | 07:04 |
| === DanaG has nvidia -- no PowerMizer. :( | ||
| Amaranth | i've got nvidia too | 07:04 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: that works. | 07:04 |
| DanaG | Windows battery life: 2 hours 10 minutes. Linux: 1 hour 45-50 minutes. | 07:04 |
| DanaG | Plus, I still run Beryl even on battery. | 07:04 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: what confuses me though, is why they've both got conflicts on each other, which are unversioned | 07:05 |
| Hobbsee | i guess users are supposed to knwo which one they need | 07:05 |
| Hobbsee | seeing it's not the "replacing old versions" case | 07:05 |
| DanaG | I found out how to make Windows give you a bit more battery life by turning off one core: use the /ONECPU flag as an alternate option in boot.ini. | 07:05 |
| Amaranth | sudo sh -c 'echo 0 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/online' | 07:06 |
| Amaranth | well, that's going to complicate things on airplanes | 07:07 |
| Niriven | Hobbsee: So whats the technical problem here? I dont understand. Both look like they require the same version. | 07:07 |
| DanaG | Oh, and emu10k1, tifm_7xx1, and i8021 all take a lot. | 07:07 |
| Amaranth | wireless kill switch doesn't work and unloading the ipw3945 module doesn't kill the light | 07:07 |
| Amaranth | i knew the BIOS update would break something | 07:07 |
| Amaranth | i8042 is your mouse and keyboard :) | 07:08 |
| === DanaG had a BIOS update break suspend (or more specifically, the resume), even under XP. | ||
| Amaranth | tifm_7xx1 shares with your audio | 07:08 |
| DanaG | I rolled back to an older BIOS. | 07:08 |
| Amaranth | so it's probably audio killing you, not the little card reader | 07:08 |
| DanaG | aah. | 07:08 |
| Amaranth | although i unloaded that module too | 07:08 |
| Amaranth | dude what laptop do you have? | 07:08 |
| DanaG | Gateway M685. | 07:08 |
| Amaranth | nvidia, dual core, tifm_7xx1 | 07:09 |
| DanaG | No extra battery. | 07:09 |
| Amaranth | i have those things too :) | 07:09 |
| DanaG | And my hostname is boring: m685. | 07:09 |
| Amaranth | turn off the second core | 07:09 |
| DanaG | But better on Service-Discovery-Applet than "Jone Doe's 14" Powerbook G4". | 07:09 |
| DanaG | er, john. Or more verbosely, "Jonathan". | 07:10 |
| Amaranth | brb, going to see how much better it gets when i kill wireless | 07:10 |
| DanaG | OOpsie, I'm in the -21 kernel. No dynticks. | 07:10 |
| DanaG | Time to reboot, and watch my TTYs not work. | 07:10 |
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| Amaranth | damnit | 07:13 |
| Amaranth | i had hoped the BIOS update would fix this | 07:13 |
| Amaranth | randomly the computer will start running hot | 07:13 |
| Amaranth | Wakeups-from-idle per second : 25036.2 | 07:13 |
| Amaranth | and powertop will say something like that, or worse | 07:13 |
| Amaranth | killing the second core kills the wakeups but not the heat | 07:14 |
| DanaG | My bios is buggy: sometimes the ACPI temperature goes to 71 C and sticks there, but the "coretemp" module with lm-sensors shows it at 38 C. | 07:14 |
| Amaranth | i could never get lm-sensors to work | 07:14 |
| Amaranth | i need a "For Dummies" guide | 07:14 |
| Amaranth | Probing for `Maxim MAX6648/MAX6692'... Success! | 07:16 |
| Amaranth | (confidence 8, driver `to-be-written') | 07:16 |
| Amaranth | oh | 07:16 |
| Hobbsee | Niriven: not sure exactly. crimsun should know | 07:16 |
| Hobbsee | either way, he's fixing t | 07:16 |
| DanaG | And by "sticks there", I mean the fan speeds up to OMGWTFHOT speeds, and the temperature indicated never again changes, until the next reboot (or perhaps suspend and resume). | 07:16 |
| Niriven | Hobbsee: Just curious, im not pushing or impatient for a fix, im just happy to be using ubuntu :P | 07:17 |
| Hobbsee | Niriven: package a is conflicting and replacing package b, and package b is conflicting and replacing package a, and package c depends on a | b. so it dies in there somewhere, when it cant find one of the packages | 07:17 |
| Amaranth | well, that's pretty useless | 07:19 |
| Amaranth | `sensors` just tells me the same thing as `acpi` | 07:19 |
| Niriven | Hobbsee: Ah | 07:19 |
| Amaranth | temp1: +62C (high = +100C) | 07:19 |
| Niriven | Hobbsee: So what do you use, gnome, xfce, kde? | 07:19 |
| Hobbsee | kde | 07:19 |
| Niriven | Hobbsee: Ill take a guess and say kde | 07:19 |
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| Niriven | Knew it! :-0 | 07:19 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 07:19 |
| Niriven | Googling Hobbsee comes up with kubuntu :-0 | 07:20 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 07:20 |
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| Hobbsee | crimsun: could you sponsor an upload for me? | 07:24 |
| Hobbsee | if so, would you prefer a debdiff, or a .dsc/.diff.gz/.source_changes? | 07:24 |
| === Hobbsee test builds, while waiting for an answer | ||
| crimsun | Hobbsee: new upstream version? | 07:25 |
| crimsun | if so, the latter | 07:25 |
| crimsun | if not a new upstream version, the former | 07:25 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: not a new upstream | 07:26 |
| DanaG | aah: Some CPUs or memory controllers may also contain embedded sensors. | 07:26 |
| DanaG | AMD K8 thermal sensors... No | 07:26 |
| DanaG | Intel Core family thermal sensor... Success! | 07:26 |
| DanaG | (driver `coretemp') | 07:26 |
| DanaG | Intel AMB FB-DIMM thermal sensor... No | 07:26 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: http://hobbsee.ubuntuwire.com/gtk-qt-engine.debdiff | 07:27 |
| Niriven | Heh, ubuntu-desktop is also broken, oh well | 07:27 |
| Hobbsee | Niriven: yeha, but i think that's something else | 07:28 |
| Hobbsee | that may be poppler | 07:28 |
| crimsun | yeah, poppler. | 07:28 |
| Hobbsee | Niriven: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/gutsy_probs.html is the broken stuff in main | 07:28 |
| Hobbsee | hah. kubuntu-desktop is installable | 07:28 |
| Niriven | Hobbsee: I dont see anything about poppler in there | 07:28 |
| Niriven | Hobbsee: Ghostscript | 07:29 |
| Hobbsee | which will depend on poppler, yes | 07:29 |
| Amaranth | wow, that can't be right | 07:29 |
| Niriven | Hobbsee: Ah. | 07:29 |
| Hobbsee | most likely | 07:29 |
| Amaranth | apparently i have a fill rate of 1B pixels/sec | 07:29 |
| Amaranth | oh, i guess that can be right | 07:30 |
| Amaranth | damn that's a lot | 07:30 |
| crimsun | Hobbsee: gtk-qt-engine_0.8~svn-rev36-2ubuntu2_source.changes: done. | 07:31 |
| crimsun | Successfully uploaded packages. | 07:31 |
| Niriven | Hobbsee: Well, depends on ghostscript, ghostscript ends in dpkg with no real error except exit status 1 | 07:31 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: thanks very much | 07:32 |
| crimsun | np | 07:32 |
| Hobbsee | Niriven: which is masking a real error | 07:32 |
| crimsun | Niriven: if you want to see the error, use dpkg -D3773 -i | 07:33 |
| crimsun | caveat: that's the most verbose spew possible. | 07:33 |
| Niriven | crimsun: Not really a valid argument | 07:33 |
| crimsun | hmm? | 07:34 |
| crimsun | dpkg -D3773 -i ghostscript*.deb | 07:34 |
| Niriven | Oh. | 07:34 |
| Niriven | Right | 07:34 |
| crimsun | Right. :) | 07:34 |
| Hobbsee | hooray. closing bugs by changelog | 07:34 |
| crimsun | yeah, that's sweet. | 07:35 |
| Niriven | Ehck. | 07:35 |
| Niriven | No poppler in that error :P | 07:36 |
| Hobbsee | what's the error? | 07:36 |
| Hobbsee | pastebin it | 07:36 |
| Niriven | Well, i cant, | 07:36 |
| Niriven | I have no network on the machine at the moment | 07:37 |
| Niriven | Err, wait. | 07:37 |
| crimsun | ah, it's a packaging error that cdbs exposes | 07:37 |
| Hobbsee | ooh, more poppler buggery | 07:38 |
| Hobbsee | Face of Albert Astals Cid (TSDgeos)Today i released poppler 0.5.9 aka 0.6 Release Candidate 1, this is the first time i do a release on the poppler project, so hope i did it right :-D | 07:38 |
| Hobbsee | We are targetting 27th June for 0.6 release, but that may slip depending on feedback from this release. | 07:38 |
| Hobbsee | so all this can break again! | 07:38 |
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| Niriven | Well for now, i think im headed back to 7.04 :-0 | 07:39 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 07:39 |
| Hobbsee | smart | 07:39 |
| Hobbsee | give it a few months | 07:39 |
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| Niriven | Whats going to happen when you move over to pidgin, how do you manage something if it renames? | 07:40 |
| crimsun | what do you mean by "renames"? | 07:40 |
| crimsun | the gaim -> pidgin conversion was transparent | 07:41 |
| crimsun | are you referring to packages needing to be renamed, or..? | 07:41 |
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| Niriven | Well im just wondering how it's handled. I dont know much about this stuff | 07:42 |
| Niriven | If a package is renamed. | 07:43 |
| crimsun | to what does "it" refer? | 07:43 |
| crimsun | ah, then we have to change the source package | 07:43 |
| Niriven | Well yes, but what about previously installed packages registered with dpkg, do you have scripts to remove first, then reinstall? | 07:43 |
| stdin | there are "tags" in the package that will say that it conflicts/replaces the previous package name | 07:45 |
| Niriven | Ah | 07:46 |
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| Niriven | I'm a wannabe linux developer :-0 | 07:47 |
| DanaG | Hmm, installed ubuntu-desktop and rebooted... still empty kcontrol. | 07:47 |
| DanaG | Oh, and my consoles are blank, yet I can blindly log in and sudo usplash -c -- and it shows up. | 07:48 |
| DanaG | All my kcontrol things are under "Lost and found" in the K menu. | 07:48 |
| DanaG | And gnome won't start. | 07:48 |
| Hobbsee | DanaG: i'm surprised you thought ubuntu-desktop would be the solveall -surely kuubntu-desktop would, seeing as it's kde? | 07:49 |
| DanaG | I mis-typed. | 07:49 |
| DanaG | I installed kubuntu-desktop. | 07:49 |
| DanaG | Oh well, time to switch to KDE for a while, then. | 07:49 |
| stdin | reminds me of an early feisty bug | 07:50 |
| === DanaG likes the KDE2 windeco. | ||
| === DanaG wishes there were a QT-GTK engine for running QT apps (Amarok is the only one) under Gnome. | ||
| DanaG | Or at the very least, a QT theme to match Ubuntulooks / Human. | 07:51 |
| === Niriven doesnt like human. | ||
| DanaG | Hmm, there's no Kubuntu preset theme-manager theme. | 07:51 |
| Amaranth | DanaG: there is but it's for Qt4 | 07:51 |
| Amaranth | it's called cleanlooks or something | 07:52 |
| Hobbsee | there's qtcurve, too | 07:52 |
| Hobbsee | if it's gone thru NEW | 07:52 |
| DanaG | Argh, I try to run qtconfig-qt4 | 07:52 |
| === Hobbsee cant stand human | ||
| DanaG | I get this: http://ww11.charter.net/search?qo=qtconfig-qt4&rn=5rwZxGqCkUT4an7 | 07:53 |
| DanaG | Damn trampled DNS. | 07:53 |
| DanaG | What color scheme does Kubuntu use by default? | 07:53 |
| Hobbsee | purpley-blue, atm | 07:53 |
| stdin | it just so happens to match the LEDs of my laptop | 07:54 |
| stdin | which I was quite pleased about :p | 07:54 |
| === DanaG remembers another thing about his laptop: | ||
| DanaG | The mildly-OMGbright (as in, only OMG if the room is very dark) LEDs are toggleable with a BIOS-based hotkey. | 07:55 |
| DanaG | What KDE themes do you use? I can never find anything I persistently like. | 07:56 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: is there anything worth installing in gnome? apart from firefox? | 07:56 |
| Hobbsee | polyester / crystal here | 07:56 |
| DanaG | When in Windows, I use the Eminence windowblinds theme -- I've never found anything else nearly as wonderful. | 07:56 |
| === Hobbsee uses parts from each | ||
| === DanaG thinks crystal is overused. But Polyester IS nice. | ||
| Hobbsee | DanaG: http://buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee/misc/background2.png | 07:57 |
| Hobbsee | is what my desktop tends to look like | 07:57 |
| Hobbsee | oh wait, i'ts changed now | 07:57 |
| DanaG | The default theme schemas could not be found on your system. This means that you probably don't have metacity installed, or that your gconf is configured incorrectly. | 07:57 |
| DanaG | Oh.... | 07:57 |
| DanaG | WTF? | 07:57 |
| Hobbsee | the theme is right, anyway. kicker has changed a bit | 07:58 |
| DanaG | What color scheme is set by default? | 08:00 |
| DanaG | My battery tells me that I can get as low as 23 watts power usage. Should I believe it? | 08:01 |
| Amaranth | 23 is a lot | 08:01 |
| DanaG | Core Duo 1.83GHz, 1GB DDR2-667, 80GB 5400RPM drive, 17" but matte and dim panel. | 08:01 |
| Amaranth | ah, 17" | 08:02 |
| Amaranth | the powertop website shows a laptop pulling 13 | 08:02 |
| DanaG | I thought the CPU alone would be 20. | 08:02 |
| Amaranth | nah | 08:02 |
| Amaranth | your power brick probably only does 85 | 08:03 |
| DanaG | It's a 120 watt brick, | 08:03 |
| Amaranth | huh | 08:03 |
| DanaG | because Gateway also offers the system with a Go 7600 and a 1680x1050 LCD. | 08:03 |
| DanaG | er, 7900. | 08:03 |
| Amaranth | where does it read that info from, do you know? | 08:04 |
| DanaG | I have a 7600 (128MB, bad for Beryl . :( ) and a 1440x900 | 08:04 |
| Amaranth | i'd like to know how many watts i'm pulling | 08:04 |
| DanaG | ACPI controller tells you. | 08:04 |
| DanaG | Powertop tells you, too. | 08:04 |
| Amaranth | powertop tells me it can't get the info :/ | 08:04 |
| DanaG | Sudo it. | 08:05 |
| Amaranth | same | 08:05 |
| DanaG | And be on 2.6.21 or above. | 08:05 |
| Amaranth | uh | 08:05 |
| Amaranth | not stupid ;) | 08:05 |
| Amaranth | http://www.realistanew.com/random/powertop.png | 08:05 |
| DanaG | Hmm, perhaps it only works with Intel. | 08:05 |
| Amaranth | i have intel.... | 08:05 |
| Amaranth | Computer: sorrow | Distro: Ubuntu 7.10 "gutsy" | Processor: 2.00Ghz | Model: Intel T2500 @ 2.00GHz | Memory: 1009MB Free: 688MB [ ] | Diskspace: 91.90GB Free: 33.50GB | Video: nVidia GeForce Go 7400 @ 1440x900 (24 bpp) | Net: Down: 25.00MB Up: 1.29MB | Battery: 100% | 08:05 |
| Amaranth | ack why does it say 2Ghz both times? | 08:05 |
| DanaG | That bar thingy reminds me of something: | 08:06 |
| Amaranth | that means the CPU is running full tilt | 08:06 |
| DanaG | /* */ | 08:07 |
| Amaranth | neat | 08:07 |
| Amaranth | no ACPI power usage estimate available | 08:08 |
| DanaG | Oh wow, negative 6774 wakeups per second. | 08:08 |
| DanaG | When unplugging AC. | 08:08 |
| DanaG | around 700 wakeups per second. | 08:10 |
| DanaG | yenta, tifm_7xx1, ipw3945 are 29%. | 08:10 |
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| DanaG | Woah, 2.2 hours left? I can hardly believe it. | 08:10 |
| Amaranth | i idle at around 120 | 08:10 |
| DanaG | Must be the spinning down of the drive. | 08:10 |
| Amaranth | wakeups per second | 08:10 |
| DanaG | Now down to 300. | 08:10 |
| Amaranth | yeah, stop moving the mouse and typing :) | 08:11 |
| DanaG | Also, toggle off the wireless. | 08:11 |
| Amaranth | no need | 08:11 |
| Amaranth | kill the second core instead | 08:11 |
| DanaG | how, again? | 08:11 |
| Amaranth | you're fully up-to-date gutsy using powertop 1.5, right? | 08:11 |
| DanaG | Yeah. | 08:11 |
| Amaranth | sudo sh -c 'echo 0 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/online' | 08:12 |
| Amaranth | also, typing is far less taxing than moving the mouse :) | 08:12 |
| Amaranth | the lowest thing on my list of top causes is 5.6 wakeups per second | 08:13 |
| Amaranth | the highest is nvidia pumping out slightly more interrupts than my refresh rate | 08:13 |
| Amaranth | 67 wakeups | 08:13 |
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| DanaG | System locked up, | 08:16 |
| Amaranth | dang | 08:16 |
| DanaG | but magic-sysrq was able to sync before I had to hard-button it. | 08:16 |
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| DanaG | I like my LED-toggle button. | 08:16 |
| Amaranth | i wish powertop would check the gnome-power-manager version before telling me it's costing me power and telling me to kill it | 08:17 |
| DanaG | Oh yeah, another odd thing on this notebook: AC on == Fan on. No way around it. | 08:17 |
| Amaranth | on their website they say it makes xorg do more work but i'm not getting extra wakeups when i have it running | 08:17 |
| Amaranth | actually i think i'm getting less | 08:17 |
| DanaG | Don'tcha love trampling DNS? | 08:17 |
| DanaG | Mis-type a command, you get this: http://www11.charter.net | 08:18 |
| Amaranth | also, use the powersave cpufreq governor | 08:18 |
| DanaG | I have been doing that one thing for years. | 08:18 |
| DanaG | In WIndows with RMCLock, too. | 08:18 |
| Amaranth | kills about 20 wakeups ondemand uses to check if it needs to scale | 08:18 |
| DanaG | Oh, but no touchpad-disable button. :( /me wishes he could've gotten an HP. | 08:20 |
| DanaG | Oh, and now I'm using kwin instead of Beryl. | 08:20 |
| DanaG | yenta, tifm_7xx1, ipw3945 -- taking 20.2% of wakeups. | 08:21 |
| DanaG | Argh, ksynaptics makes my scroll zone take up half of my touchpad. | 08:28 |
| DanaG | It's funny, at my school I downloaded something from mirrors.kernel.org over the wired network. | 08:29 |
| DanaG | I got at least 7000 kilobytes per second. | 08:29 |
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| DanaG | Aah, I found out why it crashed: | 08:37 |
| DanaG | You need echo -n. | 08:37 |
| crimsun | heh, yeah, \n is bad | 08:38 |
| DanaG | That reminds me of a funny Debian bug: | 08:39 |
| DanaG | combining -n, -e, and \n, to make a non-portable thing, where if all three worked, they canceled each other out. | 08:39 |
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| DanaG | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=419619 | 08:40 |
| ubotu | Debian bug 419619 in gsfonts "gsfonts: postinst/prerm echo -e" [Minor,Closed] | 08:40 |
| DanaG | Gaah, guidance-powermanager ALSO turns off m backlight between discrete brightness levels. | 08:41 |
| DanaG | Every step decreases or increases the brightness by 0%. Lovely. | 08:42 |
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| _4str1 | yop yop | 10:47 |
| cyrill62 | Bonjour tout le monde | 10:58 |
| cyrill62 | Quelqu'un sait-il comment passer de gcc-4.1 gcc-4.2 en version par dfaut de gcc? | 10:59 |
| cyrill62 | (donc du mme coup g++, cpp, gccbug, etc...) | 10:59 |
| cyrill62 | oops! in English sorry | 11:00 |
| cyrill62 | lol | 11:00 |
| cyrill62 | Hi everybody | 11:00 |
| cyrill62 | Nobody know how to switch gcc to gcc-4.2 version? | 11:01 |
| cyrill62 | and in the same time g++, cpp, gccbug... | 11:01 |
| Fjodor | apt-get seems to complain that packages to be installed cannot be authenticated. Does anyone know if the key for dk.archive.ubuntu.com is the same as for archive.ubuntu.com, and where/how to get/install it? | 11:22 |
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| defcon | anyone manage to get truecrypt installed on gutsy | 11:32 |
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| defcon | where is the gutsy kernel source dir | 11:40 |
| kekZpriester | i didn't see that cyrill62 wrote the same in english some lines below... and i translates all the text properly with the litte french i learnt in 2 years in school | 11:41 |
| defcon | nm | 11:41 |
| defcon | where do I download the gutsy kernel source | 11:47 |
| crimsun | apt-get source linux-2.6.22 | 11:48 |
| crimsun | err | 11:48 |
| crimsun | apt-get source linux-source-2.6.22 | 11:48 |
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| defcon | thnx | 11:58 |
| defcon | gutsy works great | 11:59 |
| defcon | so far I dont notice a difference other than the speed | 12:00 |
| defcon | is it normal for it to boot up saying decompressing kernel "" | 12:00 |
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| defcon | truecrypt compile worked very easily on gutsy | 12:09 |
| defcon | im supprised someone hasnt made a .deb for it yet | 12:09 |
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| johnnybuoy | hi all! | 12:17 |
| johnnybuoy | M$ stole lowfat from macslow! I can't believe it! | 12:18 |
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| defcon | does kubuntu work on gutsy? | 01:51 |
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| rashid | hello | 04:04 |
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| Jazon | hi guys :) | 06:28 |
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| Jazon | i am installing feisty on a mates desktop, and am running into a problem i can't seem to get past. | 06:29 |
| Jazon | he has a belkin usb wifi | 06:29 |
| Jazon | it shows up as wlan0 | 06:29 |
| Jazon | :-D | 06:29 |
| gnomefreak | Jazon: join #ubuntu for feisty support | 06:29 |
| Hobbsee | no problem with that, per se, and this is not the feisty channel | 06:29 |
| Jazon | gnomefreak: ahhhhh ok.. thx gnomefreak | 06:30 |
| Jazon | what is +1 for now then? i thought it was for feisty (???) | 06:30 |
| Jazon | gutsy | 06:30 |
| Jazon | lol | 06:30 |
| gnomefreak | gutsy please read topic | 06:30 |
| Jazon | heh - my bad sorry guys hehe | 06:31 |
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| CarlFK | qemu -boot n hda.qcow2 = No valid PXE rom found for network device | 06:41 |
| CarlFK | guessing this is a packaging problem | 06:41 |
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| borschty_ | i have the problem, that the o-umlaut () is rendered very narrow and pretty different from the normal "o" in some font sizes, sometimes even the second dot on the top is missing | 11:48 |
| borschty_ | is this a problem of my font-settings or a general problem affecting all users | 11:49 |
| gnomefreak | borschty_: feisty? | 11:50 |
| borschty_ | no, gutsy | 11:50 |
| gnomefreak | borschty_: its normal atm. please file a bug report/check if ther eis one already filed | 11:50 |
| borschty_ | 86 dpi, monospace 12 | 11:50 |
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| borschty_ | i just wanted to know if it could be, because i changed some font settings recently (activated and then deactivated autohinter) | 11:51 |
| gnomefreak | borschty_: i have seen many the same issue. please file bug report on it | 11:51 |
| gnomefreak | borschty_: dont know why its like that. i dont work on fonts (thankfully) | 11:51 |
| borschty_ | ok, what do you think i should file against, it seems pango has nothing to do with it, since it happens in epiphany's gecko backend (pango disabled), too | 11:52 |
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| gnomefreak | borschty_: try fonts | 11:52 |
| gnomefreak | or libfont. or just ubuntu it will be placed where it needs to be | 11:53 |
| borschty_ | should i add a screenshot? | 11:53 |
| gnomefreak | yes all info you can give | 11:53 |
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