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[03:11] dont work [03:11] Or, more completely, "sudo sed -i s/feisty/gutsy/g /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade" [03:12] RAOF, how is gutsy for u [03:17] does gutsy still have apt [03:18] what are the differences anyways [03:18] Yes, of course. [03:18] Gutsy has newer stuff. [03:18] heh [03:18] nice [03:18] If you don't want to file bugs, or do Ubuntu development, you *don't* want to be using Gutsy at this point [03:18] no, gutsy dropped dpkg and apt for ebuild, checkinstall, and rpm all in a shiny toy called PONY. === jrib wonders what recursive acronym PONY is [03:19] PINK PONY! [03:19] cool, i'll file bugs [03:19] brb === crdlb is very interested in gutsy now [03:23] how is the new gnome [03:24] Pretty much the same as the old gnome? [03:25] Although there's new, shiny compiz. [03:25] meet the new boss, same as the old boss. [03:27] Oh, I suppose that Xserver 1.3 might be new and interesting for some people. XRandR 1.2. Wooo! === RAOF considers trying out the nouveau XRandR 1.2 branch. === bullgard4 [n=detlef@p54bf34b5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu+1 === binarydigit [n=bdigit@unaffiliated/binarydigit] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Zambezi [n=Hideit@bnc.from.tx-shells.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === False_Courage [n=False_Co@c-24-14-254-177.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DerekS [n=DerekS@cpe-66-108-44-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === bcstv [n=franklin@dpc6714288019.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Zambezi [n=Hideit@bnc.from.tx-shells.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DerekS [n=DerekS@cpe-66-108-44-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DerekS [n=DerekS@cpe-66-108-44-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === False_Courage [n=False_Co@c-24-14-254-177.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === defcon [n=ion@VDSL-130-13-152-155.PHNX.QWEST.NET] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:14] for some reason in gutsy the update manager says the update index is broken === DerekS [n=DerekS@cpe-66-108-44-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DerekS is now known as derekS === DanaG [n=DanaG@24-205-228-241.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:30] argh, my kcontrol is empty, and Gnome won't log in. === DerekS [n=DerekS@cpe-66-108-44-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:30] ** ERROR **: file window-list.c: line 517 (applet_size_request): assertion failed: (maximum_size >= 0) [05:34] Hmm, dana@m685:/etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications-merged$ sudo mv kde-essential.menu.dpkg-new kde-essential.menu [05:35] see if that fixes it.... === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DerekS [n=DerekS@cpe-66-108-44-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Toma- [n=e17@203-59-66-158.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:40] Nope, still borked. [05:40] Has anyone run gutsy kernel on feisty and had nvidia work? [05:41] module-assistant has nvidia-new missing... [05:41] kcontrol: WARNING: No K menu group with X-KDE-BaseGroup=settings found ! Defaulting to Settings/ [05:42] Toma-: yes, presuming you've pulled down the other dependencies. [05:43] yeh the kernel doesnt depend on anything [05:44] if you plan to not use l-r-m. === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:47] yeh [05:47] ive got the restricted modules installed, but nvidia cant load. should i be getting nvidia-glx for gutsy too? [05:47] I wonder why my kcontrol is empty... [05:49] DanaG: got kde-guidance installed? [05:50] Nope. [05:51] that may well be why [05:51] hmm nvidia-glx needs libc6.. [05:51] Why isn't that a dependency, then? [05:51] DanaG: it is. [05:51] Still empty. [05:51] of kubuntu-desktop [05:51] Toma-: yes, you have to. [05:52] apparently seems to be a recommends and a depends [05:52] I'm using just kdebase-* and kdelibs-* [05:52] crimsun: shucks :< [05:52] that's why, then. [05:52] Toma-: the other way, of course, is to recompile the source package on 7.04. [05:52] sounds easy enough [05:53] so recompile nvidia-glx or lrm? [05:53] DanaG: still empty even with kde-guidance, which provides system-settings, installed? hmmm. [05:54] Toma-: the latter provides the former. You have to recompile the latter. You can't recompile the former, because it doesn't exist as a source package. [05:54] systemsetting gives a segfault. [05:54] ahh just noticed that [05:55] DanaG: true that. but i would have thought kcontrol would run [05:55] with the correct stuff in it [05:55] It's still empty. [05:55] crimsun: i cant have nvidia-glx compiled for feisty kernel with the gutsy kernel on the same system right? [05:55] kcontrol in console gives this: kcontrol: WARNING: No K menu group with X-KDE-BaseGroup=settings found ! Defaulting to Settings/ [05:55] Toma-: come again? [05:56] anyone have problems with system update saying database is broken? [05:56] Toma-: you certainly can have 2.6.20-1[56] -generic alongside 2.6.22-6-generic [05:56] nvidia-glx(feisty) cant co exist with another package built for gusty nvidia-glx(gutsy) [05:56] ahh ok [05:56] so the package versions wont conflict? [05:57] Toma-: the 3 important pieces are linux-image-2.6.22-6-generic, linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-6-generic, and nvidia-glx [05:57] Or -new, if you need it. [05:57] crimsun: ok, 2/3 way there :) [05:57] seeing how two of those critical pieces don't yet exist for the latest gutsy kernel, you're SOL. [05:58] [unless of course you compiled them by hand, but then you wouldn't be asking this] [05:58] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/80444 [05:58] Launchpad bug 80444 in kdebase "kcontrol is empty" [Low,Confirmed] [05:59] I could just whack 2.6.22 into a feisty build and not bother with gutsy.. but thats a pain :< [05:59] damn shame we cant keep up to date with kernel fixes [05:59] err, what? [05:59] 2.6.20-16 very much is full of fixes [06:00] Lots of nvidia bugs are fixed in .21 (I still get masses of Xid's on .20) and my network drivers are fixed in .22, iirc [06:00] those aren't kernel fixes, those are driver fixes [06:00] yeh [06:01] sorry D: [06:01] Crimsun backports lots of things in the packaged kernels. [06:01] s/things/fixes/ [06:01] as I discovered with part of ALSA. [06:01] unlucky me. [06:01] seems I have little sanity remaining. [06:01] i have 7 broken ruby packages, know of any work arounds? [06:02] defcon: they're not broken, they're replaced by newer ones. [06:02] crimsun, why does synaptic say broken packages? should I remove them? [06:02] defcon: because you likely have packages that depend on the obsoleted ruby ones. [06:02] I like powertop. [06:03] Try aptitude -- it's better at suggesting solutions, in my experience. [06:03] the ruby packages themselves are not broken. They're fixed. The applications depending on the older ruby ones are broken. [06:03] Run aptitude with no parameters. [06:03] hence Synaptic will attempt to keep everything working [06:04] crimsun, gnome-art and gnome-splash-screenmanager need it [06:04] Ill test the network driver bug :S see if its fixed. if not ill leave 2.6.22 be for now [06:04] thanks again crimsun [06:04] you have the patience of a saint :) [06:05] also, update manager says "software index is broken" === DerekS [n=DerekS@cpe-66-108-44-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:05] any ideas why my software index is broken? === DanaG is glad to have e1000 and ipw3945, rather than Realtek-something-or-other and Broadcom / ndiswrapper. === Tomcat_` [n=Tomcat@p5b15f335.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === der0b [n=s0d_0ff@c-66-31-142-244.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:10] My bigger issue, actually, is the fact that Gnome won't start. === poningru [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ushineko [n=nverenin@cpe-75-80-147-91.san.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === bicycledaave [n=daave@159.226.71.203] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DerekS [n=DerekS@cpe-66-108-44-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Zambezi [n=Hideit@bnc.from.tx-shells.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:17] I'm not sure, but it may be gconf or glib that's broken. [06:18] ***MEMORY-WARNING***: gnome-session[11556] : GSlice: g_thread_init() must be called before all other GLib functions; memory corruption due to late invocation of g_thread_init() has been detected; this program is likely to crash, leak or unexpectedly abort soon... === poningru` [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === voidmage-away [n=voidmage@adsl-068-209-120-161.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:22] Hmm, I don't think Edgy->Feisty had these sorts of issues for me. [06:22] I mean, during alpha. [06:23] no, they had "my computer doesnt boot" problems [06:24] did you run it this early, either? [06:24] we're still in the middle of merge season here, and the first cd isnt out [06:24] this is the earliest i've ever run it, too [06:24] I think I first tried it when I saw that it had the 2.6.20 kernel. [06:25] I'm lucky to have missed most of the not-booting issues (jmicron and such), due to my system using the AHCI driver. === DerekS [n=DerekS@cpe-66-108-44-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:26] The only exception was when the "fstype" function in an init script (in initrd) was broken; I fixed it by commenting that section out so it'd use vol_id instead. [06:27] most people had to chroot in and update at least once during feisty cycle [06:27] even on nice hardware [06:28] it's still very early [06:28] doesnt seem lik eit, as ther'es not too much breakage === Hobbsee should break some more [06:28] I can make snd.ko go crunch [06:28] soundcore.ko would be more useful [06:29] nooo! i like my sound, tyvm. [06:29] crimsun: break gnome. [06:29] heh, speaking of chrooting, I wasn't even able to boot normally (without break=mount) until the week before 7.04 released [06:30] ouch! [06:30] you know, i'm glad we dont backport kernels [06:30] apart from the sheer insanity of doing it, it'd maek telling the release a lot harder [06:31] but interestingly enough, some drivers are backported [06:31] true that [06:31] I kinda threw up a little when I saw that, but I think it's useful for LTS === DanaG used to be able to cause a panic by removing and reinserting the cardbus Audigy. [06:31] Oh, dock.ko has a bug: no remove function. Look in dmesg. [06:32] Then try to modprobe -r it, but make sure to use '&' to background it because it WILL super-hang. [06:32] hmm, it's probably a bug that it's even modularisable. [06:33] I'd expect things to break if dock support went away. === os2mac [n=jim@209.193.53.178] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:36] Oh, and I haven't remembered to test capture on my STAC9250. === Hobbsee wishes kguitar would just go release a new upstream [06:37] cp old.orig.tar.gz new.orig.tar.gz; dch -i; debuild -S -sa; dput ubunut foo_source.changes. Win! [06:37] look, a new version of kguitar1 [06:38] crimsun: *grin* [06:38] crimsun: i'd love to just file a removal request for our package, then get the debian's sync'd across. but i probably should keep fakesyncing it [06:39] oh, another md5sum issue? [06:39] yeah. we packaged it before debian [06:39] ah === Niriven [n=None@c-68-34-171-215.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:42] How do I run gdm in xnest? There's no longer a menu item for it. === bpaterni [n=bpaterni@grnl-06-0920.dsl.iowatelecom.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ushineko [n=nverenin@cpe-75-80-147-91.san.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:43] gdmflexiserver -n [06:44] So if xubuntu-desktop doesnt install due to requiring an old feisty dependency, how would i go about fixing it myself, and submitting a patch? [06:44] what dependency(ies)? === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:44] crimsun: xubuntu-desktop requires xfce4-mixer, which will not be installed, because its an older dependency no logner in the repo === stdin [i=stdin@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:45] hmm? [06:45] crimsun@Box.pts/1.~ apt-cache madison xfce4-mixer [06:45] xfce4-mixer | 1:4.4.1-1ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Packages [06:45] xfce4-mixer | 1:4.4.1-1ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Sources [06:45] Oh, just download the relevant debs from Feisty. [06:45] twitch [06:45] There's the -alsa package -- find the two with matching versions. [06:45] crimsun: its looking for 1:4.4-0-0ubuntu1 [06:46] xfce4-mixer doesnt install atm, iirc [06:46] !info xfce-mixer-alsa [06:46] Package xfce-mixer-alsa does not exist in gutsy [06:46] DanaG: I could do that, yes, but its a dep that has to be fixed later. Can i fix it and submit a deb or something? [06:46] we don't accept debs, no [06:46] we accept debdiffs [06:46] source-only changes [06:47] crimsun: I dont think this would be a source change though, just a recompile against the new versioned dependency, right? === DanaG is not a dev, just a person who likes being on the "bleeding edge" -- but only on software, and only when I also have other OSes. === ushineko [n=nverenin@cpe-75-80-147-91.san.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:47] Bleeding-edge hardware can be painful. [06:47] (nyuk...) [06:47] DanaG: Haha, so true :-/ [06:48] crimsun: do you know offhand how up to date MOM is? [06:48] it's either on crack, or hasnt run in a while [06:48] Hobbsee: I know it was showing strange things due to Priority having been removed from seemingly random source packages with an earlier LP rollout [06:49] right [06:49] don't know offhand if it has run recently, though [06:49] it's saying that i still need to merge sword, yet the merge is already done, and the newer version is already in launchpad + in the archive [06:49] hmm. it seems to have - no idae about for every package [06:50] !info feisty xfce-mixer-alsa [06:50] Package feisty does not exist in gutsy [06:50] er, wrong order. [06:50] crimsun: Eh sorry if i sound stupid, im a windows .net integration developer, might as well stab me now :P [06:50] !info xfce-mixer-alsa feisty [06:50] Package xfce-mixer-alsa does not exist in feisty [06:50] Did I miss a '4' there somewhere? [06:50] Hmmph, ill just go with ubuntu-desktop for now [06:51] xfce4- [06:51] !info xfce4-mixer-alsa feisty [06:51] xfce4-mixer-alsa: Xfce4 Mixer ALSA backend. In component main, is optional. Version 1:4.4.0-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 66 kB, installed size 140 kB [06:51] !info xfce4-mixer-alsa gutsy [06:51] xfce4-mixer-alsa: Xfce4 Mixer ALSA backend. In component main, is optional. Version 1:4.4.0-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 66 kB, installed size 140 kB [06:51] Hah, I try to run "keyboard" to get a tab-complete, and I get this: [06:51] http://ww11.charter.net/search?qo=keyboard&rn=Sc8xkx6yEReaURt [06:51] http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/gutsy_probs.html === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-185-45.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:52] Don'tcha love trampling on DNS? === Hobbsee looks into the xfce stuff === ushineko [n=nverenin@cpe-75-80-147-91.san.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:56] crimsun: i agree wtih you. alsa is evil === thomax_ [n=thomas@217-148-245-136.happymany.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:59] !info wine gutsy [06:59] wine: Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.37-0ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 9788 kB, installed size 45320 kB [07:00] i love powertop [07:00] crimsun: err...can you help me? [07:01] sup? [07:01] with it i've discovered the perfect setup for having non-sucky battery life and all the features i want [07:01] Amaranth: Oh? [07:01] turns out i can choose between having wireless or having both cores active if i want to reach C3 [07:01] crimsun: if package a is conflicting and replacing package b, and package b is conflicting and replacing package a, and package c depends on a | b, what should happen? [07:01] (xfce-mixer) [07:01] so i've got the second core turned off :) [07:01] it sounds very much like circular dependancies [07:01] too bad playing music kicks me back out of C3 [07:02] Hobbsee: it should pull whichever fulfills the dependencies [07:02] Hobbsee: nah, those C/R are for older versions [07:02] currently installing xfce4-mixer works, because xfce4-mixer-oss is installable [07:02] I'm chasing down why -alsa isn't [07:03] So, this could be a poetentail fix and i could get xubuntu-desktop working tonight, or unlikely? [07:03] possibly [07:03] depends if crimsun fixes [07:03] it [07:03] i've got compiz, wireless, xchat-gnome, pidgin, and epiphany running and still get an awesomely low number of wakeups [07:04] http://www.realistanew.com/random/powertop.png [07:04] I'll go ahead and merge 4.4.1-3 [07:04] and spend large amounts of time in C3 === DanaG has nvidia -- no PowerMizer. :( [07:04] i've got nvidia too [07:04] crimsun: that works. [07:04] Windows battery life: 2 hours 10 minutes. Linux: 1 hour 45-50 minutes. [07:04] Plus, I still run Beryl even on battery. [07:05] crimsun: what confuses me though, is why they've both got conflicts on each other, which are unversioned [07:05] i guess users are supposed to knwo which one they need [07:05] seeing it's not the "replacing old versions" case [07:05] I found out how to make Windows give you a bit more battery life by turning off one core: use the /ONECPU flag as an alternate option in boot.ini. [07:06] sudo sh -c 'echo 0 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/online' [07:07] well, that's going to complicate things on airplanes [07:07] Hobbsee: So whats the technical problem here? I dont understand. Both look like they require the same version. [07:07] Oh, and emu10k1, tifm_7xx1, and i8021 all take a lot. [07:07] wireless kill switch doesn't work and unloading the ipw3945 module doesn't kill the light [07:07] i knew the BIOS update would break something [07:08] i8042 is your mouse and keyboard :) === DanaG had a BIOS update break suspend (or more specifically, the resume), even under XP. [07:08] tifm_7xx1 shares with your audio [07:08] I rolled back to an older BIOS. [07:08] so it's probably audio killing you, not the little card reader [07:08] aah. [07:08] although i unloaded that module too [07:08] dude what laptop do you have? [07:08] Gateway M685. [07:09] nvidia, dual core, tifm_7xx1 [07:09] No extra battery. [07:09] i have those things too :) [07:09] And my hostname is boring: m685. [07:09] turn off the second core [07:09] But better on Service-Discovery-Applet than "Jone Doe's 14" Powerbook G4". [07:10] er, john. Or more verbosely, "Jonathan". [07:10] brb, going to see how much better it gets when i kill wireless [07:10] OOpsie, I'm in the -21 kernel. No dynticks. [07:10] Time to reboot, and watch my TTYs not work. === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:13] damnit [07:13] i had hoped the BIOS update would fix this [07:13] randomly the computer will start running hot [07:13] Wakeups-from-idle per second : 25036.2 [07:13] and powertop will say something like that, or worse [07:14] killing the second core kills the wakeups but not the heat [07:14] My bios is buggy: sometimes the ACPI temperature goes to 71 C and sticks there, but the "coretemp" module with lm-sensors shows it at 38 C. [07:14] i could never get lm-sensors to work [07:14] i need a "For Dummies" guide [07:16] Probing for `Maxim MAX6648/MAX6692'... Success! [07:16] (confidence 8, driver `to-be-written') [07:16] oh [07:16] Niriven: not sure exactly. crimsun should know [07:16] either way, he's fixing t [07:16] And by "sticks there", I mean the fan speeds up to OMGWTFHOT speeds, and the temperature indicated never again changes, until the next reboot (or perhaps suspend and resume). [07:17] Hobbsee: Just curious, im not pushing or impatient for a fix, im just happy to be using ubuntu :P [07:17] Niriven: package a is conflicting and replacing package b, and package b is conflicting and replacing package a, and package c depends on a | b. so it dies in there somewhere, when it cant find one of the packages [07:19] well, that's pretty useless [07:19] `sensors` just tells me the same thing as `acpi` [07:19] Hobbsee: Ah [07:19] temp1: +62C (high = +100C) [07:19] Hobbsee: So what do you use, gnome, xfce, kde? [07:19] kde [07:19] Hobbsee: Ill take a guess and say kde === bullgard4 [n=detlef@p54bf11d1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:19] Knew it! :-0 [07:19] :) [07:20] Googling Hobbsee comes up with kubuntu :-0 [07:20] :) === elkbuntu [n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Spec [n=nwheeler@ubuntu/member/spec] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:24] crimsun: could you sponsor an upload for me? [07:24] if so, would you prefer a debdiff, or a .dsc/.diff.gz/.source_changes? === Hobbsee test builds, while waiting for an answer [07:25] Hobbsee: new upstream version? [07:25] if so, the latter [07:25] if not a new upstream version, the former [07:26] crimsun: not a new upstream [07:26] aah: Some CPUs or memory controllers may also contain embedded sensors. [07:26] AMD K8 thermal sensors... No [07:26] Intel Core family thermal sensor... Success! [07:26] (driver `coretemp') [07:26] Intel AMB FB-DIMM thermal sensor... No [07:27] crimsun: http://hobbsee.ubuntuwire.com/gtk-qt-engine.debdiff [07:27] Heh, ubuntu-desktop is also broken, oh well [07:28] Niriven: yeha, but i think that's something else [07:28] that may be poppler [07:28] yeah, poppler. [07:28] Niriven: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/gutsy_probs.html is the broken stuff in main [07:28] hah. kubuntu-desktop is installable [07:28] Hobbsee: I dont see anything about poppler in there [07:29] Hobbsee: Ghostscript [07:29] which will depend on poppler, yes [07:29] wow, that can't be right [07:29] Hobbsee: Ah. [07:29] most likely [07:29] apparently i have a fill rate of 1B pixels/sec [07:30] oh, i guess that can be right [07:30] damn that's a lot [07:31] Hobbsee: gtk-qt-engine_0.8~svn-rev36-2ubuntu2_source.changes: done. [07:31] Successfully uploaded packages. [07:31] Hobbsee: Well, depends on ghostscript, ghostscript ends in dpkg with no real error except exit status 1 [07:32] crimsun: thanks very much [07:32] np [07:32] Niriven: which is masking a real error [07:33] Niriven: if you want to see the error, use dpkg -D3773 -i [07:33] caveat: that's the most verbose spew possible. [07:33] crimsun: Not really a valid argument [07:34] hmm? [07:34] dpkg -D3773 -i ghostscript*.deb [07:34] Oh. [07:34] Right [07:34] Right. :) [07:34] hooray. closing bugs by changelog [07:35] yeah, that's sweet. [07:35] Ehck. [07:36] No poppler in that error :P [07:36] what's the error? [07:36] pastebin it [07:36] Well, i cant, [07:37] I have no network on the machine at the moment [07:37] Err, wait. [07:37] ah, it's a packaging error that cdbs exposes [07:38] ooh, more poppler buggery [07:38] Face of Albert Astals Cid (TSDgeos)Today i released poppler 0.5.9 aka 0.6 Release Candidate 1, this is the first time i do a release on the poppler project, so hope i did it right :-D [07:38] We are targetting 27th June for 0.6 release, but that may slip depending on feedback from this release. [07:38] so all this can break again! === compengi [n=compengi@85.112.69.192] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:39] Well for now, i think im headed back to 7.04 :-0 [07:39] hehe [07:39] smart [07:39] give it a few months === Zdra [n=zdra@cable-85.28.95.83.coditel.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:40] Whats going to happen when you move over to pidgin, how do you manage something if it renames? [07:40] what do you mean by "renames"? [07:41] the gaim -> pidgin conversion was transparent [07:41] are you referring to packages needing to be renamed, or..? === Niriven [n=None@c-68-34-171-215.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:42] Well im just wondering how it's handled. I dont know much about this stuff [07:43] If a package is renamed. [07:43] to what does "it" refer? [07:43] ah, then we have to change the source package [07:43] Well yes, but what about previously installed packages registered with dpkg, do you have scripts to remove first, then reinstall? [07:45] there are "tags" in the package that will say that it conflicts/replaces the previous package name [07:46] Ah === DanaG [n=DanaG@24-205-228-241.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:47] I'm a wannabe linux developer :-0 [07:47] Hmm, installed ubuntu-desktop and rebooted... still empty kcontrol. [07:48] Oh, and my consoles are blank, yet I can blindly log in and sudo usplash -c -- and it shows up. [07:48] All my kcontrol things are under "Lost and found" in the K menu. [07:48] And gnome won't start. [07:49] DanaG: i'm surprised you thought ubuntu-desktop would be the solveall -surely kuubntu-desktop would, seeing as it's kde? [07:49] I mis-typed. [07:49] I installed kubuntu-desktop. [07:49] Oh well, time to switch to KDE for a while, then. [07:50] reminds me of an early feisty bug === DanaG likes the KDE2 windeco. === DanaG wishes there were a QT-GTK engine for running QT apps (Amarok is the only one) under Gnome. [07:51] Or at the very least, a QT theme to match Ubuntulooks / Human. === Niriven doesnt like human. [07:51] Hmm, there's no Kubuntu preset theme-manager theme. [07:51] DanaG: there is but it's for Qt4 [07:52] it's called cleanlooks or something [07:52] there's qtcurve, too [07:52] if it's gone thru NEW [07:52] Argh, I try to run qtconfig-qt4 === Hobbsee cant stand human [07:53] I get this: http://ww11.charter.net/search?qo=qtconfig-qt4&rn=5rwZxGqCkUT4an7 [07:53] Damn trampled DNS. [07:53] What color scheme does Kubuntu use by default? [07:53] purpley-blue, atm [07:54] it just so happens to match the LEDs of my laptop [07:54] which I was quite pleased about :p === DanaG remembers another thing about his laptop: [07:55] The mildly-OMGbright (as in, only OMG if the room is very dark) LEDs are toggleable with a BIOS-based hotkey. [07:56] What KDE themes do you use? I can never find anything I persistently like. [07:56] crimsun: is there anything worth installing in gnome? apart from firefox? [07:56] polyester / crystal here [07:56] When in Windows, I use the Eminence windowblinds theme -- I've never found anything else nearly as wonderful. === Hobbsee uses parts from each === DanaG thinks crystal is overused. But Polyester IS nice. [07:57] DanaG: http://buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee/misc/background2.png [07:57] is what my desktop tends to look like [07:57] oh wait, i'ts changed now [07:57] The default theme schemas could not be found on your system. This means that you probably don't have metacity installed, or that your gconf is configured incorrectly. [07:57] Oh.... [07:57] WTF? [07:58] the theme is right, anyway. kicker has changed a bit [08:00] What color scheme is set by default? [08:01] My battery tells me that I can get as low as 23 watts power usage. Should I believe it? [08:01] 23 is a lot [08:01] Core Duo 1.83GHz, 1GB DDR2-667, 80GB 5400RPM drive, 17" but matte and dim panel. [08:02] ah, 17" [08:02] the powertop website shows a laptop pulling 13 [08:02] I thought the CPU alone would be 20. [08:02] nah [08:03] your power brick probably only does 85 [08:03] It's a 120 watt brick, [08:03] huh [08:03] because Gateway also offers the system with a Go 7600 and a 1680x1050 LCD. [08:03] er, 7900. [08:04] where does it read that info from, do you know? [08:04] I have a 7600 (128MB, bad for Beryl . :( ) and a 1440x900 [08:04] i'd like to know how many watts i'm pulling [08:04] ACPI controller tells you. [08:04] Powertop tells you, too. [08:04] powertop tells me it can't get the info :/ [08:05] Sudo it. [08:05]