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| Tiradin | Hello | 01:33 |
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| jrib | Tiradin: hey | 01:33 |
| iShock | Walk me through installing grub someone please? | 01:33 |
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| Tiradin | jrib: Am i right in assuming that i'll be editing fstab? | 01:33 |
| jrib | yes | 01:34 |
| jrib | your pastebin looks a little funny, can you check that line 9 is right? | 01:34 |
| jrib | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23346/ | 01:34 |
| iShock | jrib do u no how to install dis grub? | 01:34 |
| Tiradin | it does look a little funny. | 01:35 |
| jrib | iShock: not really but I can point you to the documentation, try #ubuntu | 01:35 |
| jrib | !grub > iShock (see the private message from ubotu) | 01:35 |
| iShock | jrib, i need halp wid it, dat makes no cents to me | 01:35 |
| iShock | I need to remove it toally | 01:35 |
| Tiradin | jrib: I think it just formatted it funny. | 01:35 |
| jrib | well line 9 has no device | 01:36 |
| iShock | I need to remove it toally jrib plz halp | 01:36 |
| Tiradin | Are you talking specifically about the format of the text or something in the way /media/hda2 is represented? | 01:36 |
| jrib | iShock: what do you want to replace it with? | 01:36 |
| Tiradin | oh | 01:36 |
| jrib | Tiradin: well, it should be: | 01:36 |
| Tiradin | you mean that big space...yes that's in my fstab. | 01:36 |
| jrib | <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass> | 01:36 |
| iShock | jrib i need to run windows | 01:36 |
| jrib | but you have no <file system> | 01:36 |
| jrib | iShock: grub can load windows | 01:37 |
| iShock | wow dat lks confuzing | 01:37 |
| iShock | I got error 22 jrib | 01:37 |
| Tiradin | you mean that there is no UUID= in the fstab? | 01:37 |
| iShock | And it dont boot | 01:37 |
| jrib | Tiradin: right | 01:37 |
| jrib | Tiradin: do you know what hda2 is? | 01:37 |
| Tiradin | jrib: it should be my drive designated "collective", but apparently it is not. | 01:37 |
| iShock | jrib pls halp | 01:37 |
| jrib | Tiradin: /dev/hda5 is Collective | 01:37 |
| Tiradin | That might be why then... | 01:38 |
| jrib | Tiradin: pastebin one more thing: blkid | 01:38 |
| iShock | jrib i got error 22 wif dis grub and windows wont start | 01:38 |
| iShock | how kan i fix dat? | 01:38 |
| Tiradin | I think I may have a solution from looking at it. | 01:38 |
| jrib | iShock: does ubuntu start? | 01:38 |
| iShock | ony da live cd | 01:38 |
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| jrib | iShock: I don't know, try #ubuntu. More people there can help you | 01:39 |
| iShock | jrib no one answers | 01:39 |
| Tiradin | jrib: I have 4 HDA's, designated hda1, hda3, hda6, and hda5, in that order. The reason for this might be because of the way I partitioned the drive. The linux partitions exist BETWEEN the two NTFS partitions... I'm not sure if that matters, | 01:39 |
| mseney | jrib, ishock is electricity | 01:39 |
| mseney | check his IP | 01:39 |
| iShock | no im not | 01:40 |
| Tiradin | jrib: I think I mis-informed about my issue. | 01:40 |
| Tiradin | /whowas Electricity | 01:40 |
| Tiradin | that command doesn't work here... | 01:40 |
| iShock | do i look like my name is electrcity? | 01:40 |
| Tiradin | nicks can change all the time | 01:40 |
| mseney | np | 01:40 |
| iShock | so bcuz ppl share same fking net it makes dem same pplz | 01:41 |
| iShock | ? | 01:41 |
| Tiradin | mode (+b *!*@64.255.118.147 | 01:41 |
| Tiradin | Nick: iShock | 01:41 |
| Tiradin | Username: n=ubuntu@64.255.118.147 | 01:41 |
| iShock | so myb we r usn same net? | 01:41 |
| Tiradin | first line is from #ubuntu when jrib had Electricity banned. | 01:41 |
| iShock | not to mention electricit is still on nubs | 01:41 |
| Tiradin | So all the sudden your speech becomes un-impaired and your attitude becomes similar to his? | 01:41 |
| jrib | that's ok, he's welcomed here if he is more friendly this time | 01:42 |
| Tiradin | Indeed.. | 01:42 |
| Tiradin | Sorry jrib.. | 01:42 |
| Tiradin | in any case | 01:42 |
| iShock | im nt fking electricity whois him nubs, he still on, and im on, meaning i aint same 1 | 01:42 |
| iShock | jrib, u no how to install grub? | 01:42 |
| jrib | no | 01:42 |
| iShock | i tink i is banned from #ubuntu | 01:43 |
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| iShock | wat kind of classroom is dis? | 01:43 |
| Tiradin | jrib: I would like the two ntfs partitions to be immediately useable and available upon startup. /dev/hda1 (one of the NTFS partitions) is available immediately and shows up on my desktop upon startup. The other, (/dev/hda5) does not and I would like it to. | 01:44 |
| jrib | iShock: classrooms about linux happen here sometimes | 01:44 |
| jrib | Tiradin: k, pastebin "blkid" | 01:44 |
| iShock | jrib, i r not allwoed to tlk in ubuntu wtf? | 01:44 |
| Tiradin | jrib: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23352/ | 01:45 |
| iShock | jrib kan u unban my ip from ubuntu i cnt tlk | 01:45 |
| jrib | iShock: no | 01:46 |
| iShock | y da fk not? | 01:46 |
| iShock | wtf did i do? | 01:46 |
| iShock | i get banned 4 sittin dere? | 01:46 |
| jrib | iShock: this isn't the right place to talk about it, feel free to discuss it in #ubuntu-ops | 01:46 |
| nalioth | iShock: your attitude is not helping you at all | 01:46 |
| iShock | dis is bullsht....banned for fking idling...whores.. | 01:47 |
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| jrib | Tiradin: erm ok, do you want to use the uuid? or is /dev/hda5 fine? | 01:47 |
| Tiradin | /dev/hda5 is fine | 01:47 |
| jrib | Tiradin: ok since line 9 isn't doing much anyway, the easiest way to do it is to change line 9 from: | 01:48 |
| jrib | /media/hda2 ntfs defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0 1 | 01:48 |
| jrib | to: | 01:48 |
| jrib | /dev/hda5 /media/Collective ntfs defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0 0 | 01:48 |
| jrib | notice that 1 at the end was changed to a 0 | 01:48 |
| jrib | you should do that for all the ntfs stuff (line 8 too) | 01:49 |
| Tiradin | ok. | 01:49 |
| Tiradin | jrib: this is line 8: | 01:51 |
| Tiradin | # /dev/hda1 /media/hda1 ntfs defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0 0 | 01:51 |
| Tiradin | and this is line 9: | 01:51 |
| Tiradin | /dev/hda5 /media/Collective ntfs defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0 0 | 01:51 |
| Tiradin | sorry for the spam. | 01:52 |
| jrib | Tiradin: you got rid of uuid in line 8 and commented it? | 01:52 |
| Tiradin | it was already commented :/ | 01:52 |
| jrib | hmm, not in your pastebin | 01:52 |
| Tiradin | no? | 01:52 |
| Tiradin | That is very odd. | 01:52 |
| Tiradin | /dev/hda6 is commented in my fstab too... | 01:53 |
| jrib | ah yes | 01:53 |
| jrib | that is just a comment so you know what the uuid corresponds to | 01:53 |
| Tiradin | oh ok | 01:53 |
| jrib | but if you replace the uuid with /dev/foo then you don't want it commented | 01:53 |
| Tiradin | ok | 01:53 |
| Tiradin | so either or is fine... I see | 01:53 |
| Tiradin | so should that work now? (I removed the comment from /dev/hda1 | 01:53 |
| jrib | hmm | 01:53 |
| jrib | I just realized we are doing this the hard way, there is a gui tool called ntfs-config in feisty now. But we're done now so it's ok | 01:54 |
| Tiradin | lol... | 01:54 |
| jrib | Tiradin: yeah that should work, do this: sudo umount /dev/hda5 && sudo mount -a | 01:54 |
| Tiradin | that's alright, learn to walk before you run :P | 01:54 |
| Tiradin | umm.. | 01:55 |
| Tiradin | stupid error, one second. | 01:55 |
| Tiradin | mount: mount point /media/Collective does not exist | 01:55 |
| jrib | ah, sudo mkdir /media/Collective | 01:55 |
| Tiradin | umount: /dev/hda5: not mounted | 01:56 |
| jrib | k, just do: sudo mount -a | 01:56 |
| Tiradin | so is that going to be from start up now? | 01:56 |
| jrib | yep | 01:56 |
| Tiradin | Because when I start up, I had to type in a password before accessing /media/Collective :P | 01:57 |
| jrib | Tiradin: /media/hda1 was working fine right? without password? | 01:57 |
| Tiradin | alright, well i'm going to reboot and then join back in here to tell you how it goes... Thank you jrib :) | 01:57 |
| Tiradin | yup | 01:57 |
| jrib | yeah, should be good then | 01:57 |
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| Tiradin | Jrib: it works fine, thank you very much :) | 02:00 |
| jrib | Tiradin: great | 02:00 |
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| Kioshen | just a quick check ... am I an hour too soon for the MOTU Q&A ? | 02:09 |
| leonel | Kioshen: date --utc .. | 02:10 |
| Kioshen | leonel: thanks | 02:10 |
| Martinp23 | is the Q&A to 0:00 or 1:00? UTC | 02:18 |
| leonel | 0:00 acoording to the mail | 02:18 |
| Kioshen | supposed to be 0:00 UTC | 02:18 |
| Martinp23 | hmm | 02:18 |
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| leonel | have any questions ? | 02:19 |
| Kioshen | Well, I would really like to get involved in MOTU but I'm afraid to screw up | 02:21 |
| StevenK | Don't be afraid of screwing up. We're all human. | 02:22 |
| leonel | Kioshen: that's why there are sponsors and we all make mistakes | 02:22 |
| Kioshen | Do I have to do something special to have somebody prod me in the right direction when I'm lost | 02:23 |
| Kioshen | because i've looked up the documentation but it's really vast | 02:23 |
| Kioshen | I have to start somewhere like helping out in mergings | 02:23 |
| StevenK | Kioshen: I would suggest you join #ubuntu-motu, and don't be afraid of asking questions. | 02:24 |
| Kioshen | but i'm not too sure how to procede and certainly not make angry a Debian dev because of a bad merge | 02:24 |
| StevenK | I don't see that as being too much of a concern. | 02:25 |
| Kioshen | StevenK: mkay | 02:25 |
| Kioshen | I know there was a new section in LP about mentoring or something | 02:26 |
| Kioshen | I already have an LP account but do I need something more to list myself ? | 02:26 |
| StevenK | I don't know much of anything about the mentoring side of LP, sorry. | 02:28 |
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| Kioshen | StevenK: No problem I guess I should have searched first : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentoring | 02:29 |
| Kioshen | So basically I should read up in the MOTU section of the wiki, read the packaging guide | 02:31 |
| Kioshen | If i'm not too sure (that will probably come up often) i go at #ubuntu-motu and ask what I don't understand | 02:31 |
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| StevenK | Sounds sensible. Even if you just lurk in #ubuntu-motu you'll pick stuff up. | 02:33 |
| Kioshen | Do you use bazaar constantly to manage patches ? | 02:33 |
| Kioshen | or Quilt is another one that comes up often | 02:33 |
| StevenK | Actually, what I see most often is dpatch and cdbs's simple patch system. | 02:34 |
| Kioshen | as for the automated merging software ... does MOTUs still use MoM or DaD ? | 02:35 |
| StevenK | Yes. Often. | 02:36 |
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| Kioshen_ | ugh sorry my wifi broke down | 02:38 |
| Kioshen_ | anyway ... so is MoM deprecated now that DaD is online or they both complement each other as of now | 02:38 |
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| Kioshen_ | leonel talked about sponsors earlier ... do I ask in #ubuntu-motu for a review and at the same time for a sponsor or I put it in bug report ? | 02:44 |
| Kioshen_ | regarding a patch on a package or publishing a merge | 02:44 |
| StevenK | You can put your merge onto REVU, or you can file a bug with a debdiff and subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors. | 02:46 |
| Kioshen_ | from the wiki page it says that I need a GPG key for uploading to REVU | 02:47 |
| StevenK | Yes, that's correct. | 02:47 |
| Kioshen_ | do I need to have it signed first in a key signing party or one that I create will be okay at first | 02:47 |
| StevenK | You also need one to upload to the archive, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. :-) | 02:48 |
| Kioshen_ | yes since i will need training wheels first | 02:49 |
| StevenK | I would suggest you get your key signed first. | 02:49 |
| Kioshen_ | I'll be going to the Ottawa Linux Symposium ... I guess I'll be able to find someone to sign mine there | 02:49 |
| StevenK | You might also want to join the ubuntu-ca team in LP. | 02:50 |
| Kioshen_ | Any requirements except being Canadian ? | 02:51 |
| StevenK | I think that's the only requirement. | 02:51 |
| Kioshen_ | a gpg key is mainly need for uploading packages but nothing prevents me for submitting patches right ? | 02:52 |
| StevenK | That's right. | 02:53 |
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| Kioshen | how do I join a team in LP. I've tried searching for ubuntu-ca in LP but it doesn't bring up anything. I tried checking out an option in my profile but didn't see anything either | 02:55 |
| StevenK | If you know the name of the team or person: https://launchpad.net/~<name> | 02:56 |
| StevenK | You can search by using https://launchpad.net/people | 02:57 |
| Kioshen | okay thanks | 02:57 |
| Kioshen | hum from the page : This is a moderated team; all subscriptions are subjected to approval by one of the team's administrators. | 02:57 |
| Kioshen | I guess I'll have to introduce myself in #ubuntu-ca first then ? | 02:57 |
| StevenK | By all means. In the case of ubuntu-au, I clicked the join button and was approved within 24 hours. | 02:58 |
| Kioshen | so if I get everything correctly ... read the documentation available in the wiki and practice up the craft, create a GPG key and upload it to LP, apply to ubuntu-ca, check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/TODO once in a while for pointers on where to go, ask questions in #ubuntu-motu and have fun | 03:02 |
| StevenK | Sounds like you've covered everything. :-) | 03:03 |
| Kioshen | great thanks a bunch :) | 03:03 |
| StevenK | No problem. :-) | 03:04 |
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| porthose | when is the next MOTU Q&A | 05:46 |
| porthose | did I miss it | 05:47 |
| leonel | 12:00 utc | 05:51 |
| porthose | thanks | 05:52 |
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| trommas | did I miss the event? | 11:52 |
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| Belutz | elkbuntu, hi :) | 01:51 |
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| Belutz | imtheface :D | 01:55 |
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| dholbach | Hello everybody! Welcome to the MOTU Q&A session! | 02:00 |
| dholbach | do we have some MOTUs in here? | 02:00 |
| StevenK | Nope. | 02:00 |
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| === ScottK looks for one. | ||
| === dholbach counts 4 or more - that's a good start :) | ||
| === pochu waves | ||
| agoliveira | Just Eager Cadets :) | 02:01 |
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| imtheface | hi all | 02:01 |
| dholbach | first of all, I'd like to invite everybody who's interested in becoming a MOTU at some stage, to sign up for https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu-mentors - it's still quite low traffic and it'll be a good place to ask questions, get a mentor etc | 02:01 |
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| dholbach | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentoring explains a bit about mentoring and what you should do become part of the process | 02:02 |
| dholbach | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Recipes and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Documentation are quite good to get started too | 02:02 |
| === Hobbsee isnt here. definetly not. | ||
| dholbach | does anybody have some quetsions already? :) | 02:02 |
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| Hobbsee | dholbach: can i have a pony? | 02:02 |
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| porthose | Do you any other resources that explain how to use debconf and dbconf-common other than the man pages | 02:02 |
| StevenK | Hobbsee: No pony for you! | 02:02 |
| Belutz | dholbach, what if i don't have a good programming skill? | 02:02 |
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| dholbach | Hobbsee: hehe, do I look like Santa Claus? :-) | 02:03 |
| Hobbsee | dholbach: YES!!!! | 02:03 |
| ScottK | Belutz: Programming skill is not required for packaging. | 02:03 |
| dholbach | Hobbsee: NO :-) | 02:03 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: except a bit of bash helps | 02:03 |
| ScottK | Belutz: There are certainly lots of times it helps, but it's not a hard requirement. | 02:03 |
| Hobbsee | dholbach: awwww | 02:03 |
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| StevenK | porthose: There are some good guides and tutorials for debconf usage, but I'm not sure about dbconfig-common. | 02:03 |
| ScottK | Belutz: And what Hobbsee said is right. | 02:03 |
| Belutz | ScottK, then what skills are required to be a part of MOTU team? | 02:04 |
| dholbach | porthose: as for all packaging I recommend looking at existing packages and see how they deal with it | 02:04 |
| StevenK | It's shell scripting, not bash scripting. The two are different, since bash has bash-only features. | 02:04 |
| ScottK | Belutz: Learn about the Debian packaging system | 02:04 |
| dholbach | porthose: I'll make a note about assembling a list of 'example packages' | 02:04 |
| persia | Belutz: A basic understanding of Makefiles is also useful. | 02:04 |
| dholbach | Belutz: mostly interest in making things work, motivation and being able to cope with pioneer atmosphere :-) | 02:04 |
| ScottK | Belutz: Often a good way to get started is to look for bugs in Launchpad tagged bitesized and packaging. | 02:04 |
| dholbach | ScottK: excellent point... we have links to those lists on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Bugs | 02:05 |
| StevenK | Belutz: And feel free to stop by #ubuntu-motu and ask us questions. | 02:05 |
| Belutz | :-) | 02:05 |
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| dholbach | any more questions? maybe about the processes? specific questions? | 02:06 |
| === Belutz definetly will sign up :-) | ||
| porthose | What controls the postinst and the postrm | 02:06 |
| dholbach | great Belutz | 02:06 |
| TheMuso | Belutz: The only signing up you really have to do, is get assigned to a mentor, if thats the route you want to take. | 02:07 |
| dholbach | porthose: I'm not sure I understand your question | 02:07 |
| StevenK | porthose: Controls in what sense? | 02:07 |
| dholbach | and read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentoring/Contributor carefully | 02:07 |
| persia | porthose: They get created by debhelper scripts usually, but can also be included in the debian/ directory if specific additional action is required. | 02:07 |
| Belutz | TheMuso, yes, I really do need a mentor | 02:07 |
| porthose | does debconf invoke postinst? | 02:08 |
| TheMuso | No. | 02:08 |
| TheMuso | Debconf is separate to postinst/postrm. | 02:08 |
| ScottK | Belutz: You can also just show up, dive in, and get to work learning if that's your style. | 02:08 |
| StevenK | porthose: No, you invoke the debconf "confmodule" from the postinst. | 02:08 |
| porthose | k | 02:08 |
| TheMuso | They get called when the package is installed regardless, if they exist. | 02:08 |
| TheMuso | And what StevenK said. | 02:08 |
| Belutz | ScottK, is slow internet connection could be a problem? | 02:08 |
| StevenK | Belutz: Certainly not! | 02:08 |
| TheMuso | Belutz: Depends on how big the packages are that you work on/ | 02:09 |
| porthose | ooooh ok | 02:09 |
| TheMuso | But usually not. | 02:09 |
| StevenK | Belutz: You might end up cursing it if you upload/download something big, but that's about it. | 02:09 |
| agoliveira | Belutz: I think that as long it's *stable*... velocity is not a big deal. | 02:09 |
| dholbach | also if you don't have a download quota | 02:10 |
| Belutz | ok | 02:10 |
| Belutz | fortunately i don't have a download quota :D | 02:10 |
| dholbach | (you might have to download packages from the newest development release) | 02:10 |
| dholbach | ok... who in here is vaguely interested in becoming ubuntu-dev at some stage? | 02:11 |
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| === Hobbsee raises hand | ||
| === Martinp23 too | ||
| === Belutz raises hand | ||
| === StevenK three | ||
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| Hobbsee | (seeing as ajmitch isnt here) | 02:11 |
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| dholbach | nice... did you all check out some docs already and tried to do some packaging before? | 02:11 |
| ccm | still hug day? | 02:11 |
| StevenK | All this is showing is that the MOTU are a bunch of children. :-P | 02:11 |
| ccm | :) | 02:11 |
| Belutz | dholbach, not yet :( | 02:11 |
| dholbach | did you have many difficulties along the way? | 02:12 |
| agoliveira | dholbach: I'm doing the Hildon/Maemo ones and, as Tollef said, I was thown into to the deep side of the pool :) | 02:12 |
| evand | I tried a merge yesterday. It was a little confusing at first, but asking in -motu helped quite a bit. | 02:13 |
| dholbach | agoliveira: I can imagine that - if you should ever need help along the way, let me know - also if you find documentation to be wrong/broken/etc - it's really important we improve things as we go, so people don't have to go through the same ordeal wtice | 02:13 |
| dholbach | evand: super - if you need a review or something, let us know | 02:14 |
| evand | thanks dholbach | 02:14 |
| evand | What about working on packages that have a previous maintainer. Is that considered stepping on their toes? | 02:14 |
| evand | Err uploader | 02:15 |
| dholbach | evand: not at all - we inherit most packages from debian, so it's group maintenance anyway | 02:15 |
| TheMuso | evand: There is no real such thing as maintainer for universe in Ubuntu. | 02:15 |
| persia | evand: Many uploaders welcome this. It's polite to check with the last uploader, but most are fairly busy. | 02:15 |
| agoliveira | dholbach: Indeed, right now we are in a packaging frenzy due to time constrains so to be sincere I'm paying attention to details but I expect to be able to do it once we manage to have the first wave beatten. | 02:15 |
| TheMuso | But if you want to take care of a package that you like using/want to keep up to date, thats fine too. | 02:15 |
| dholbach | evand: if you encounter a dedicated ubuntu maintainer in the maintainer field you might want to ask first | 02:15 |
| evand | gotcha, thanks | 02:15 |
| porthose | Does anyone know of other good examples of packaging php web apps like gallery2, roundcube | 02:15 |
| dholbach | agoliveira: if you can write a small list and send that off to the mentor list, that helps us a lot - even if it's just bullet points | 02:16 |
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| asac | hi | 02:16 |
| highvoltage | hi asac | 02:16 |
| dholbach | porthose: hi charlie... now I recognize you. welcome! :-) | 02:16 |
| porthose | Hi | 02:16 |
| dholbach | porthose: did you talk to shawarma (Sren Hansen) about that? | 02:16 |
| asac | i am late i guess ... sorry got to some adminstrative stuff | 02:16 |
| dholbach | we can answer specific packaging questions too - is anybody blocked on a packaging problem at the moment? | 02:17 |
| porthose | He showed me roundcube and I was wondering if there were other examples I didn't know about | 02:17 |
| dholbach | porthose: at the moment I can't think of any - as I've never touched any of those... but that might be a good question for the mentoring list - that way you reach more people and they can make up their mind before they reply | 02:18 |
| porthose | trying to learn by example | 02:18 |
| porthose | will do | 02:18 |
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| dholbach | as I said... I'll try to make a MOTU/ExamplePackages page or something where we can list good examples for 1) python packaging, 2) cdbs, 3) debconf, ... | 02:19 |
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| dholbach | that way we can point to reference packages | 02:19 |
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| dholbach | so what apart from the merging process seemed complicated and hard to understand for you? | 02:20 |
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| dholbach | I think that one of the biggest problems of new contributors is to find out where they can help out or what might be appropriate for their skill set | 02:21 |
| dholbach | did anybody experience that already? | 02:21 |
| asac | dholbach: i guess maybe an introduction on how to interpret conflicts during merge might help | 02:22 |
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| asac | e.g. how are the conflicts marked ... what does that mean | 02:22 |
| dholbach | asac: good idea - what do you think would help in the documentation? | 02:22 |
| dholbach | asac: an example maybe? | 02:23 |
| asac | dholbach: actually i have no idea ... but an introduction on what the syntax means might be a good start | 02:23 |
| asac | dholbach: yes ... and example is mandatory | 02:24 |
| dholbach | ok... I'll start off a thread on ubuntu-motu{,-mentors}@ about that | 02:24 |
| dholbach | our documentation about merging is a bit ... confusing | 02:24 |
| asac | dholbach: actually the main problem is that when it comes down to tricky things, you have to understand the code | 02:24 |
| dholbach | thanks asac | 02:24 |
| dholbach | right | 02:25 |
| dholbach | so asking people who merged or changed the package before is a good idea too | 02:25 |
| asac | but i think that is one challange that motus should and actually want to face/tackle | 02:25 |
| dholbach | who in here had trouble with merges already? | 02:25 |
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| dholbach | it'd be nice to have your input on the thread too | 02:26 |
| evand | ok | 02:26 |
| dholbach | we have some people in here who are being mentored at the moment - what are you working on currently? are you all supplied with tasks? | 02:26 |
| asac | i had problems to understand the docs ... so i did it based on what appeared sane | 02:26 |
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| dholbach | seb128: have a desktop task for Martinp23? :-) | 02:27 |
| seb128 | https://launchpad.net/%7Edesktop-bugs/+mentoring ? | 02:28 |
| seb128 | anything in the list ;) | 02:28 |
| dholbach | Martinp23: I have vte on my "to update" list - although I can't promise that it will be easy to do, but I'd help you out if you'd like to do that | 02:28 |
| dholbach | although there might be some universe desktop merges left (camorama for example) | 02:29 |
| Martinp23 | dholbach: Hmm ok - should I give camorama a go, and then try vte? | 02:30 |
| dholbach | excellent - let me know how it goes, I'm happy to assist | 02:30 |
| dholbach | nobody else being mentored? | 02:30 |
| dholbach | xxxxx1: I believe siretart is your mentor, right? | 02:30 |
| xxxxx1 | dholbach: yes | 02:31 |
| xxxxx1 | i'm working with him in ecryptfs | 02:31 |
| dholbach | what has your mentoring experience been until now? | 02:31 |
| xxxxx1 | and.. opencryptoki, trousers, tpm-tools | 02:31 |
| dholbach | oh wow - how's it coming a long? | 02:32 |
| xxxxx1 | amazing experience. | 02:32 |
| dholbach | that's nice to hear :-) | 02:33 |
| xxxxx1 | siretart is a good mentor. we're working together discussing some fixes and enhancements with upstream authors | 02:33 |
| effie_jayx | dholbach, I am fairly new to the motu world, I started triaging bugs... what's the next step? | 02:33 |
| effie_jayx | not like Im done with triaging bugs ;) | 02:34 |
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| StevenK | effie_jayx: I'd suggest you look at bitesize and packaging tagged bugs on Launchpad. | 02:34 |
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| StevenK | Kioshen: I missed some questions earlier, did I? :-) | 02:34 |
| dholbach | xxxxx1: anything you're unhappy about or would like to know? | 02:34 |
| dholbach | effie_jayx: you could also take a look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Recipes and play with the tools we use a bit | 02:35 |
| Kioshen | StevenK: nah i'm fine ... i'm here for checking out questions from others ;) | 02:35 |
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| xxxxx1 | dholbach: absolutely not. we're doing a good work. | 02:35 |
| Kioshen | dholbach: just read your e-mail about the recipes thanks for building up that page :) | 02:35 |
| xxxxx1 | dholbach: ;) | 02:35 |
| dholbach | xxxxx1: thanks a lot for helping out | 02:36 |
| effie_jayx | StevenK, sorry if this is too uch of a noob question.. but How can one tell if they are packaging tagged? | 02:36 |
| dholbach | Kioshen: thanks :-) | 02:36 |
| siretart | dholbach: we are testing your proposal with reviewing packages managed in bzr branches on lp | 02:36 |
| dholbach | effie_jayx: we have lists of bugs at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Bugs | 02:36 |
| siretart | dholbach: lp's subscription feature is indeed very handy here | 02:36 |
| dholbach | effie_jayx: packaging bugs, bitesize bugs, etc are linked from there | 02:36 |
| effie_jayx | dholbach, thanks :D | 02:37 |
| dholbach | siretart: I hope we can use bzr in a broader scope soon | 02:37 |
| dholbach | I expected more packaging related questions to be honest... :-) | 02:38 |
| xxxxx1 | i think the review process in lp with bzr is more flexible than revu. | 02:38 |
| evand | What's the proper protocol for getting a package that's already packaged for Ubuntu, but in upstream's personal repository, into Universe? | 02:38 |
| StevenK | evand: Firstly, upload it to REVU. | 02:39 |
| StevenK | evand: Secondly, bug people to review it. | 02:39 |
| persia | evand: If upstream did a good job, it's just an upload, but often is requires some repackaging before being uploaded to REVU. | 02:39 |
| StevenK | evand: Thirdly, keep bugging people, if necessary. :-P | 02:39 |
| evand | heh, thanks | 02:40 |
| StevenK | evand: Once it has two MOTU say it's fine, it should be uploaded. | 02:40 |
| dholbach | who of the new contributors wants to get a simple task assigned to start helping out or do you all think you'll find something easy to work on yourself? :-) | 02:41 |
| Kioshen | xxxxx1: any link to this proposal I think i missed it ... ? | 02:41 |
| Kioshen | dholbach: I know I do :) | 02:41 |
| evand | dholbach: I think I could use a directed task. | 02:41 |
| dholbach | anybody have a task they'd agree to review afterwards? | 02:42 |
| porthose | pothose raises hand | 02:42 |
| StevenK | porthose: /me is fun | 02:42 |
| dholbach | persia, ScottK, asac, TheMuso, Hobbsee? | 02:42 |
| StevenK | Aww. dholbach always forgets about me. | 02:43 |
| === persia looks | ||
| dholbach | StevenK? :) | 02:43 |
| === StevenK sniffs in the corner. | ||
| dholbach | I'm sure you all complain about having too much to do? :-) | 02:43 |
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| asac | dholbach: i need someone who can code some php (or any other web tech) | 02:43 |
| ScottK | dholbach: Sorry not at the moment. | 02:43 |
| TheMuso | dholbach: I'd be happy to give a merge of mine to someone. | 02:43 |
| StevenK | Kioshen: Ouch! In the back? | 02:43 |
| TheMuso | And would be happy to review it. | 02:43 |
| asac | dholbach: its for the firefox plugin web-service | 02:44 |
| dholbach | TheMuso: Kioshen, evand and porthose would be willing to work on a task | 02:44 |
| StevenK | TheMuso: I'll take one of yours and you can review it afterward. :-P | 02:44 |
| effie_jayx | dholbach, me too :S | 02:44 |
| TheMuso | StevenK: hardy har har. | 02:44 |
| evand | great | 02:44 |
| dholbach | asac: I think porthose works on PHP stuff | 02:44 |
| Kioshen | StevenK: as in encouragement probably lost in translation i guess :) | 02:44 |
| asac | porthose: you wanna help? | 02:44 |
| porthose | sure if I can | 02:44 |
| asac | porthose: its about server side of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/firefox-distro-addon-support | 02:44 |
| StevenK | Kioshen: I know. :-) It's the "on the back", in the back being painful. :-) | 02:44 |
| dholbach | I'm sure seb128 wouldn't mind if somebody took care of the easytag merge | 02:44 |
| TheMuso | Ok. Who wants to merge plib? | 02:45 |
| dholbach | ^who wants that one? | 02:45 |
| ScottK | dholbach: I take it back. clamav needs a merge. If someone wants to try that, I'll review it. | 02:45 |
| StevenK | ScottK: That's mean. | 02:45 |
| dholbach | ScottK: how hard do you think it is? | 02:45 |
| seb128 | dholbach: I think easytag can be synced | 02:45 |
| asac | porthose: if you want you can join #ubuntu-mozillateam channel ... where i usually do mentoring for all things around firefox/mozilla | 02:45 |
| ScottK | dholbach: It's actually a very easy one now. | 02:45 |
| persia | If anyone wants the merge of kstreamripper, I'd be happy to review. | 02:45 |
| seb128 | dholbach: I would not mind somebody else maintaining it though :p | 02:45 |
| porthose | k will do | 02:45 |
| dholbach | seb128: doing a merge is a first good step | 02:46 |
| xxxxx1 | guys, i have a work meeting now. thanks dholbach ! | 02:46 |
| ScottK | StevenK: Debian clamav package recently got a makeover that makes it a lot easier. There's only one Ubuntu unique change now. | 02:46 |
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| dholbach | bye xxxxx1_away | 02:46 |
| dholbach | so who does clamav? | 02:46 |
| seb128 | dholbach: right, I just think it's syncable directly | 02:46 |
| StevenK | Hrm. I have one universe merge left, and I have a package that's nearly ready to upload. | 02:46 |
| effie_jayx | dholbach, me | 02:46 |
| dholbach | who does easytag? | 02:46 |
| dholbach | thanks seb128 | 02:46 |
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| ScottK | effie_jayx: ping me on #ubuntu-motu if you need help or when you have something. I'll be mostly here for the next 7 hours. | 02:47 |
| dholbach | xawtv might be easy too | 02:47 |
| seb128 | dholbach: people can help with GNOME 2.19.3 updates coming if they want | 02:47 |
| effie_jayx | ScottK, will do | 02:47 |
| dholbach | yes, ping me next week if you want to help out with gnome 2.19.3 updates - I'm happy to review updates | 02:47 |
| StevenK | seb128: Most of them being main, though? | 02:47 |
| dholbach | StevenK: that's no problem | 02:47 |
| seb128 | StevenK: right, we can sponsor them | 02:47 |
| dholbach | bluez-hcidump might be easy too | 02:48 |
| seb128 | we did it for most of the merges on gutsy opening | 02:48 |
| dholbach | so everybody grabbed a merge/update? | 02:48 |
| seb128 | gdeskcal has a 1.01 upstream and we have an outdated version | 02:48 |
| seb128 | if somebody wants to do the update I'm happy to sponsor it | 02:49 |
| seb128 | I'm "maintaining" the package for Debian but didn't update it for quite some time | 02:49 |
| StevenK | If no-one takes it, I can do it, and I don't need sponsorship. | 02:49 |
| StevenK | I can even NMU it for you, seb128. :-P | 02:49 |
| seb128 | StevenK: you can take over it if you want ;) | 02:50 |
| dholbach | excellent, seems everybody has grabbed a task - if not ping me later and we'll sort something out | 02:50 |
| StevenK | I'm not quite that glutton for punishment. | 02:50 |
| evand | Did anyone take plib? | 02:50 |
| evand | I missed it | 02:50 |
| TheMuso | evand: You can take it if you want. | 02:50 |
| dholbach | I guess it's yours now :) | 02:51 |
| TheMuso | Unless someone else said they did. | 02:51 |
| evand | Will do | 02:51 |
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| TheMuso | unless someone else has it | 02:51 |
| Kioshen | dholbach: is there a page for the gnome update ? | 02:52 |
| dholbach | http://mail.gnome.org/archives/ftp-release-list/2007-May/thread.html | 02:52 |
| dholbach | we grab them from the list as they come in | 02:53 |
| Kioshen | dholbach: okay and afterwards it's the normal merge process ? | 02:53 |
| dholbach | we mostly just update the packages | 02:53 |
| dholbach | in the past seb128 and I have been doing one merge with debian once the archive opened for the new release and another one before feature freeze or some time around that | 02:54 |
| dholbach | so there's no need to merge every debian change at any given time | 02:54 |
| seb128 | We do sometime a merge when Debian has interesting changes | 02:54 |
| seb128 | when they just update to new version like they just did to GNOME 2.18.2 there is no need to merge the new changelog entry | 02:55 |
| Kioshen | so basically you can the old package, take the new upstream tarball, rev it up, upload to revu and poke people | 02:55 |
| dholbach | yes, roughly using the process outlined on the Recipes page ... roughly :) | 02:56 |
| Kioshen | okay and gnome 2.19.3 is scheduled next week so i'll give time to read up on the subject then | 02:56 |
| dholbach | excellent | 02:57 |
| dholbach | just hop into #ubuntu-desktop and let us know | 02:57 |
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| dholbach | I prefer to review than to do it myself, so I can help up with issues as they creep up | 02:57 |
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| dholbach | do we have any other questions? | 02:58 |
| Kioshen | i'm in the process of moving out of my current appartment but i'll do my best | 02:58 |
| Kioshen | no from me since i've poked a lot StevenK yesterday | 02:58 |
| StevenK | Heh, it wasn't yesterday here. :-) | 02:59 |
| icf7 | how can I test a package for gutsy? just configure pbuilder with gutsy instead of feisty? | 02:59 |
| StevenK | icf7: That's one way, yes. | 02:59 |
| dholbach | icf7: that's for a build test, yes | 02:59 |
| dholbach | icf7: you can mostly install a gutsy package on feisty to test it, but it's not optimal | 03:00 |
| StevenK | icf7: You can test the package builds in the gutsy pbuilder, and then log into the gutsy pbuilder to test install as well. | 03:00 |
| icf7 | thank you! | 03:00 |
| Kioshen | come to think of it, will I need a full gusty installation if I want to test unstable gnome packages ? | 03:00 |
| dholbach | we should have some documentation about 1) chroots, 2) installations on separate partitions, 3) stuff like vmware, etc | 03:00 |
| StevenK | Kioshen: Not really. | 03:00 |
| agoliveira | After messing up my chroot twice I went for vmware and I'm a happy camper now :) | 03:01 |
| Kioshen | StevenK: Why ? it's mostly graphical applications or we can run them from a chroot | 03:01 |
| StevenK | Kioshen: They can be run from a chroot, yes. | 03:02 |
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| StevenK | Kioshen: As agoliveira, a VMware instance of Gutsy could work, too | 03:02 |
| StevenK | Er, as agoliveira said | 03:02 |
| Kioshen | StevenK: great thanks | 03:03 |
| dholbach | any other questions? | 03:05 |
| Kioshen | oh yes gpg keys | 03:06 |
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| dholbach | ah yes | 03:06 |
| Kioshen | do we need them signed first ? | 03:06 |
| persia | Kioshen: It's stongly encouraged, but not required. | 03:06 |
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| dholbach | I'm very happy with how the Q&A session went - thanks everybody for coming here | 03:10 |
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| dholbach | we should do this regularly - so what about doing them in 2 weeks again? | 03:10 |
| evand | thank you to everyone who helped | 03:10 |
| dholbach | same time? other date and time? | 03:10 |
| Kioshen | well at least this time I wasn't the only one asking questions hehe | 03:10 |
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| StevenK | Muahaha | 03:10 |
| asac | dholbach: 2 weeks is fine | 03:11 |
| hunger | Wow... that took me long to figure out. | 03:11 |
| agoliveira | dholbach: That would be nice. I'm still a bit at large due the huge workload but for sure I'll get more involved as soon as the things settle down a bit. | 03:11 |
| asac | dholbach: maybe people that are out of task can add some info about them to a wiki page so we can take a look a day in advance and think about suitable tasks? | 03:11 |
| dholbach | asac: we should always have those tasks ready | 03:11 |
| asac | dholbach: point is... we don't know the skills | 03:12 |
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| dholbach | asac: but still it's good to have a bunch of tasks at hand, if somebody asks you | 03:12 |
| dholbach | I'll try to make that part of my daily workflow: adding bugs to my 'easy tasks' list | 03:13 |
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| dholbach | ok, thanks everybody for coming - be sure to hang out in #ubuntu-motu and ubuntu-motu-mentors@lists.ubuntu.com and ask questions there | 03:14 |
| dholbach | have a nice day :) | 03:14 |
| evand | thanks dholbach | 03:14 |
| asac | thanks all | 03:14 |
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| Kioshen | thanks everybody | 03:14 |
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| agoliveira | dholbach: Thank you! | 03:15 |
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| dholbach | thanks :) | 03:15 |
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