[01:33] <Tiradin> Hello
[01:33] <jrib> Tiradin: hey
[01:33] <iShock> Walk me through installing grub someone please?
[01:33] <Tiradin> jrib: Am i right in assuming that i'll be editing fstab?
[01:34] <jrib> yes
[01:34] <jrib> your pastebin looks a little funny, can you check that line 9 is right?
[01:34] <jrib> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23346/
[01:34] <iShock> jrib do u no how to install dis grub?
[01:35] <Tiradin> it does look a little funny.
[01:35] <jrib> iShock: not really but I can point you to the documentation, try #ubuntu
[01:35] <jrib> !grub > iShock (see the private message from ubotu)
[01:35] <iShock> jrib, i need halp wid it, dat makes no cents to me
[01:35] <iShock> I need to remove it toally
[01:35] <Tiradin> jrib: I think it just formatted it funny.
[01:36] <jrib> well line 9 has no device
[01:36] <iShock> I need to remove it toally jrib plz halp
[01:36] <Tiradin> Are you talking specifically about the format of the text or something in the way /media/hda2 is represented?
[01:36] <jrib> iShock: what do you want to replace it with?
[01:36] <Tiradin> oh
[01:36] <jrib> Tiradin: well, it should be:
[01:36] <Tiradin> you mean that big space...yes that's in my fstab.
[01:36] <jrib> <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[01:36] <iShock> jrib i need to run windows
[01:36] <jrib> but you have no <file system>
[01:37] <jrib> iShock: grub can load windows
[01:37] <iShock> wow dat lks confuzing
[01:37] <iShock> I got error 22 jrib
[01:37] <Tiradin> you mean that there is no UUID= in the fstab?
[01:37] <iShock> And it dont boot
[01:37] <jrib> Tiradin: right
[01:37] <jrib> Tiradin: do you know what hda2 is?
[01:37] <Tiradin> jrib: it should be my drive designated "collective", but apparently it is not.
[01:37] <iShock> jrib pls halp
[01:37] <jrib> Tiradin: /dev/hda5 is Collective
[01:38] <Tiradin> That might be why then...
[01:38] <jrib> Tiradin: pastebin one more thing:  blkid
[01:38] <iShock> jrib i got error 22 wif dis grub and windows wont start
[01:38] <iShock> how kan i fix dat?
[01:38] <Tiradin> I think I may have a solution from looking at it.
[01:38] <jrib> iShock: does ubuntu start?
[01:38] <iShock> ony da live cd
[01:39] <jrib> iShock: I don't know, try #ubuntu.  More people there can help you
[01:39] <iShock> jrib no one answers
[01:39] <Tiradin> jrib: I have 4 HDA's, designated hda1, hda3, hda6, and hda5, in that order. The reason for this might be because of the way I partitioned the drive. The linux partitions exist BETWEEN the two NTFS partitions... I'm not sure if that matters,
[01:39] <mseney> jrib, ishock is electricity
[01:39] <mseney> check his IP
[01:40] <iShock> no im not
[01:40] <Tiradin> jrib: I think I mis-informed about my issue.
[01:40] <Tiradin> /whowas Electricity
[01:40] <Tiradin> that command doesn't work here...
[01:40] <iShock> do i look like my name is electrcity?
[01:40] <Tiradin> nicks can change all the time
[01:40] <mseney> np
[01:41] <iShock> so bcuz ppl share same fking net it makes dem same pplz
[01:41] <iShock> ?
[01:41] <Tiradin> mode (+b *!*@64.255.118.147
[01:41] <Tiradin> Nick: iShock
[01:41] <Tiradin> Username: n=ubuntu@64.255.118.147
[01:41] <iShock> so myb we r usn same net?
[01:41] <Tiradin> first line is from #ubuntu when jrib had Electricity banned.
[01:41] <iShock> not to mention electricit is still on nubs
[01:41] <Tiradin> So all the sudden your speech becomes un-impaired and your attitude becomes similar to his?
[01:42] <jrib> that's ok, he's welcomed here if he is more friendly this time
[01:42] <Tiradin> Indeed..
[01:42] <Tiradin> Sorry jrib..
[01:42] <Tiradin> in any case
[01:42] <iShock> im nt fking electricity whois him nubs, he still on, and im on, meaning i aint same 1
[01:42] <iShock> jrib, u no how to install grub?
[01:42] <jrib> no
[01:43] <iShock> i tink i is banned from #ubuntu
[01:43] <iShock> wat kind of classroom is dis?
[01:44] <Tiradin> jrib: I would like the two ntfs partitions to be immediately useable and available upon startup. /dev/hda1 (one of the NTFS partitions) is available immediately and shows up on my desktop upon startup. The other, (/dev/hda5) does not and I would like it to.
[01:44] <jrib> iShock: classrooms about linux happen here sometimes
[01:44] <jrib> Tiradin: k, pastebin "blkid"
[01:44] <iShock> jrib, i r not allwoed to tlk in ubuntu wtf?
[01:45] <Tiradin> jrib: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23352/
[01:45] <iShock> jrib kan u unban my ip from ubuntu i cnt tlk
[01:46] <jrib> iShock: no
[01:46] <iShock> y da fk not?
[01:46] <iShock> wtf did i do?
[01:46] <iShock> i get banned 4 sittin dere?
[01:46] <jrib> iShock: this isn't the right place to talk about it, feel free to discuss it in #ubuntu-ops
[01:46] <nalioth> iShock: your attitude is not helping you at all
[01:47] <iShock> dis is bullsht....banned for fking idling...whores..
[01:47] <jrib> Tiradin: erm ok, do you want to use the uuid? or is /dev/hda5 fine?
[01:47] <Tiradin> /dev/hda5 is fine
[01:48] <jrib> Tiradin: ok since line 9 isn't doing much anyway, the easiest way to do it is to change line 9 from:
[01:48] <jrib>                 /media/hda2     ntfs    defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0       1
[01:48] <jrib> to:
[01:48] <jrib> /dev/hda5        /media/Collective     ntfs    defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0       0
[01:48] <jrib> notice that 1 at the end was changed to a 0
[01:49] <jrib> you should do that for all the ntfs stuff (line 8 too)
[01:49] <Tiradin> ok.
[01:51] <Tiradin> jrib: this is line 8:
[01:51] <Tiradin> # /dev/hda1 /media/hda1     ntfs    defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0    0
[01:51] <Tiradin> and this is line 9:
[01:51] <Tiradin> /dev/hda5 /media/Collective ntfs defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46  0      0
[01:52] <Tiradin> sorry for the spam.
[01:52] <jrib> Tiradin: you got rid of uuid in line 8 and commented it?
[01:52] <Tiradin> it was already commented :/
[01:52] <jrib> hmm, not in your pastebin
[01:52] <Tiradin> no?
[01:52] <Tiradin> That is very odd.
[01:53] <Tiradin> /dev/hda6 is commented in my fstab too...
[01:53] <jrib> ah yes
[01:53] <jrib> that is just a comment so you know what the uuid corresponds to
[01:53] <Tiradin> oh ok
[01:53] <jrib> but if you replace the uuid with /dev/foo then you don't want it commented
[01:53] <Tiradin> ok
[01:53] <Tiradin> so either or is fine... I see
[01:53] <Tiradin> so should that work now? (I removed the comment from /dev/hda1
[01:53] <jrib> hmm
[01:54] <jrib> I just realized we are doing this the hard way, there is a gui tool called ntfs-config in feisty now.  But we're done now so it's ok
[01:54] <Tiradin> lol...
[01:54] <jrib> Tiradin: yeah that should work, do this: sudo umount /dev/hda5 && sudo mount -a
[01:54] <Tiradin> that's alright, learn to walk before you run :P
[01:55] <Tiradin> umm..
[01:55] <Tiradin> stupid error, one second.
[01:55] <Tiradin> mount: mount point /media/Collective does not exist
[01:55] <jrib> ah, sudo mkdir /media/Collective
[01:56] <Tiradin> umount: /dev/hda5: not mounted
[01:56] <jrib> k, just do: sudo mount -a
[01:56] <Tiradin> so is that going to be from start up now?
[01:56] <jrib> yep
[01:57] <Tiradin> Because when I start up, I had to type in a password before accessing /media/Collective :P
[01:57] <jrib> Tiradin: /media/hda1 was working fine right?  without password?
[01:57] <Tiradin> alright, well i'm going to reboot and then join back in here to tell you how it goes... Thank you jrib :)
[01:57] <Tiradin> yup
[01:57] <jrib> yeah, should be good then
[02:00] <Tiradin> Jrib: it works fine, thank you very much :)
[02:00] <jrib> Tiradin: great
[02:09] <Kioshen> just a quick check ... am I an hour too soon for the MOTU Q&A ?
[02:10] <leonel> Kioshen:   date  --utc ..
[02:10] <Kioshen> leonel: thanks
[02:18] <Martinp23> is the Q&A to 0:00 or 1:00? UTC
[02:18] <leonel> 0:00  acoording to the mail
[02:18] <Kioshen> supposed to be 0:00 UTC
[02:18] <Martinp23> hmm
[02:19] <leonel> have any questions ?
[02:21] <Kioshen> Well, I would really like to get involved in MOTU but I'm afraid to screw up
[02:22] <StevenK> Don't be afraid of screwing up. We're all human.
[02:22] <leonel> Kioshen: that's why there are sponsors  and  we all make mistakes
[02:23] <Kioshen> Do I have to do something special to have somebody prod me in the right direction when I'm lost
[02:23] <Kioshen> because i've looked up the documentation but it's really vast
[02:23] <Kioshen> I have to start somewhere like helping out in mergings
[02:24] <StevenK> Kioshen: I would suggest you join #ubuntu-motu, and don't be afraid of asking questions.
[02:24] <Kioshen> but i'm not too sure how to procede and certainly not make angry a Debian dev because of a bad merge
[02:25] <StevenK> I don't see that as being too much of a concern.
[02:25] <Kioshen> StevenK: mkay
[02:26] <Kioshen> I know there was a new section in LP about mentoring or something
[02:26] <Kioshen> I already have an LP account but do I need something more to list myself ?
[02:28] <StevenK> I don't know much of anything about the mentoring side of LP, sorry.
[02:29] <Kioshen> StevenK: No problem I guess I should have searched first : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentoring
[02:31] <Kioshen> So basically I should read up in the MOTU section of the wiki, read the packaging guide
[02:31] <Kioshen> If i'm not too sure (that will probably come up often) i go at #ubuntu-motu and ask what I don't understand
[02:33] <StevenK> Sounds sensible. Even if you just lurk in #ubuntu-motu you'll pick stuff up.
[02:33] <Kioshen> Do you use bazaar constantly to manage patches ?
[02:33] <Kioshen> or Quilt is another one that comes up often
[02:34] <StevenK> Actually, what I see most often is dpatch and cdbs's simple patch system.
[02:35] <Kioshen> as for the automated merging software ... does MOTUs still use MoM or DaD ?
[02:36] <StevenK> Yes. Often.
[02:38] <Kioshen_> ugh sorry my wifi broke down
[02:38] <Kioshen_> anyway ... so is MoM deprecated now that DaD is online or they both complement each other as of now
[02:44] <Kioshen_> leonel talked about sponsors earlier ... do I ask in #ubuntu-motu for a review and at the same time for a sponsor or I put it in bug report ?
[02:44] <Kioshen_> regarding a patch on a package or publishing a merge
[02:46] <StevenK> You can put your merge onto REVU, or you can file a bug with a debdiff and subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors.
[02:47] <Kioshen_> from the wiki page it says that I need a GPG key for uploading to REVU
[02:47] <StevenK> Yes, that's correct.
[02:47] <Kioshen_> do I need to have it signed first in a key signing party or one that I create will be okay at first
[02:48] <StevenK> You also need one to upload to the archive, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. :-)
[02:49] <Kioshen_> yes since i will need training wheels first
[02:49] <StevenK> I would suggest you get your key signed first.
[02:49] <Kioshen_> I'll be going to the Ottawa Linux Symposium ... I guess I'll be able to find someone to sign mine there
[02:50] <StevenK> You might also want to join the ubuntu-ca team in LP.
[02:51] <Kioshen_> Any requirements except being Canadian ?
[02:51] <StevenK> I think that's the only requirement.
[02:52] <Kioshen_> a gpg key is mainly need for uploading packages but nothing prevents me for submitting patches right ?
[02:53] <StevenK> That's right.
[02:55] <Kioshen> how do I join a team in LP. I've tried searching for ubuntu-ca in LP but it doesn't bring up anything. I tried checking out an option in my profile but didn't see anything either
[02:56] <StevenK> If you know the name of the team or person: https://launchpad.net/~<name>
[02:57] <StevenK> You can search by using https://launchpad.net/people
[02:57] <Kioshen> okay thanks
[02:57] <Kioshen> hum from the page : This is a moderated team; all subscriptions are subjected to approval by one of the team's administrators.
[02:57] <Kioshen> I guess I'll have to introduce myself in #ubuntu-ca first then ?
[02:58] <StevenK> By all means. In the case of ubuntu-au, I clicked the join button and was approved within 24 hours.
[03:02] <Kioshen> so if I get everything correctly ... read the documentation available in the wiki and practice up the craft, create a GPG key and upload it to LP, apply to ubuntu-ca, check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/TODO once in a while for pointers on where to go, ask questions in #ubuntu-motu and have fun
[03:03] <StevenK> Sounds like you've covered everything. :-)
[03:03] <Kioshen> great thanks a bunch :)
[03:04] <StevenK> No problem. :-)
[05:46] <porthose> when is the next MOTU Q&A
[05:47] <porthose> did I miss it
[05:51] <leonel> 12:00 utc
[05:52] <porthose> thanks
[11:52] <trommas> did I miss the event?
[01:51] <Belutz> elkbuntu, hi :)
[01:55] <Belutz> imtheface :D
[02:00] <dholbach> Hello everybody! Welcome to the MOTU Q&A session!
[02:00] <dholbach> do we have some MOTUs in here?
[02:00] <StevenK> Nope.
[02:01] <agoliveira> Just Eager Cadets :)
[02:01] <imtheface> hi all
[02:01] <dholbach> first of all, I'd like to invite everybody who's interested in becoming a MOTU at some stage, to sign up for https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu-mentors - it's still quite low traffic and it'll be a good place to ask questions, get a mentor etc
[02:02] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentoring explains a bit about mentoring and what you should do become part of the process
[02:02] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Recipes and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Documentation are quite good to get started too
[02:02] <dholbach> does anybody have some quetsions already? :)
[02:02] <Hobbsee> dholbach: can i have a pony?
[02:02] <porthose> Do you any other resources that explain how to use debconf and dbconf-common other than the man pages
[02:02] <StevenK> Hobbsee: No pony for you!
[02:02] <Belutz> dholbach, what if i don't have a good programming skill?
[02:03] <dholbach> Hobbsee: hehe, do I look like Santa Claus? :-)
[02:03] <Hobbsee> dholbach: YES!!!!
[02:03] <ScottK> Belutz: Programming skill is not required for packaging.
[02:03] <dholbach> Hobbsee: NO :-)
[02:03] <Hobbsee> ScottK: except a bit of bash helps
[02:03] <ScottK> Belutz: There are certainly lots of times it helps, but it's not a hard requirement.
[02:03] <Hobbsee> dholbach: awwww
[02:03] <StevenK> porthose: There are some good guides and tutorials for debconf usage, but I'm not sure about dbconfig-common.
[02:03] <ScottK> Belutz: And what Hobbsee said is right.
[02:04] <Belutz> ScottK, then what skills are required to be a part of MOTU team?
[02:04] <dholbach> porthose: as for all packaging I recommend looking at existing packages and see how they deal with it
[02:04] <StevenK> It's shell scripting, not bash scripting. The two are different, since bash has bash-only features.
[02:04] <ScottK> Belutz: Learn about the Debian packaging system
[02:04] <dholbach> porthose: I'll make a note about assembling a list of 'example packages'
[02:04] <persia> Belutz: A basic understanding of Makefiles is also useful.
[02:04] <dholbach> Belutz: mostly interest in making things work, motivation and being able to cope with pioneer atmosphere :-)
[02:04] <ScottK> Belutz: Often a good way to get started is to look for bugs in Launchpad tagged bitesized and packaging.
[02:05] <dholbach> ScottK: excellent point... we have links to those lists on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Bugs
[02:05] <StevenK> Belutz: And feel free to stop by #ubuntu-motu and ask us questions.
[02:05] <Belutz> :-)
[02:06] <dholbach> any more questions? maybe about the processes? specific questions?
[02:06] <porthose> What controls the postinst and the postrm
[02:06] <dholbach> great Belutz
[02:07] <TheMuso> Belutz: The only signing up you really have to do, is get assigned to a mentor, if thats the route you want to take.
[02:07] <dholbach> porthose: I'm not sure I understand your question
[02:07] <StevenK> porthose: Controls in what sense?
[02:07] <dholbach> and read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentoring/Contributor carefully
[02:07] <persia> porthose: They get created by debhelper scripts usually, but can also be included in the debian/ directory if specific additional action is required.
[02:07] <Belutz> TheMuso, yes, I really do need a mentor
[02:08] <porthose> does debconf invoke postinst?
[02:08] <TheMuso> No.
[02:08] <TheMuso> Debconf is separate to postinst/postrm.
[02:08] <ScottK> Belutz: You can also just show up, dive in, and get to work learning if that's your style.
[02:08] <StevenK> porthose: No, you invoke the debconf "confmodule" from the postinst.
[02:08] <porthose> k
[02:08] <TheMuso> They get called when the package is installed regardless, if they exist.
[02:08] <TheMuso> And what StevenK said.
[02:08] <Belutz> ScottK, is slow internet connection could be a problem?
[02:08] <StevenK> Belutz: Certainly not!
[02:09] <TheMuso> Belutz: Depends on how big the packages are that you work on/
[02:09] <porthose> ooooh ok
[02:09] <TheMuso> But usually not.
[02:09] <StevenK> Belutz: You might end up cursing it if you upload/download something big, but that's about it.
[02:09] <agoliveira> Belutz: I think that as long it's *stable*... velocity is not a big deal.
[02:10] <dholbach> also if you don't have a download quota
[02:10] <Belutz> ok
[02:10] <Belutz> fortunately i don't have a download quota :D
[02:10] <dholbach> (you might have to download packages from the newest development release)
[02:11] <dholbach> ok... who in here is vaguely interested in becoming ubuntu-dev at some stage?
[02:11] <Hobbsee> (seeing as ajmitch isnt here)
[02:11] <dholbach> nice... did you all check out some docs already and tried to do some packaging before?
[02:11] <ccm> still hug day?
[02:11] <StevenK> All this is showing is that the MOTU are a bunch of children. :-P
[02:11] <ccm> :)
[02:11] <Belutz> dholbach, not yet :(
[02:12] <dholbach> did you have many difficulties along the way?
[02:12] <agoliveira> dholbach: I'm doing the Hildon/Maemo ones and, as Tollef said, I was thown into to the deep side of the pool :)
[02:13] <evand> I tried a merge yesterday.  It was a little confusing at first, but asking in -motu helped quite a bit.
[02:13] <dholbach> agoliveira: I can imagine that - if you should ever need help along the way, let me know - also if you find documentation to be wrong/broken/etc - it's really important we improve things as we go, so people don't have to go through the same ordeal wtice
[02:14] <dholbach> evand: super - if you need a review or something, let us know
[02:14] <evand> thanks dholbach
[02:14] <evand> What about working on packages that have a previous maintainer.  Is that considered stepping on their toes?
[02:15] <evand> Err uploader
[02:15] <dholbach> evand: not at all - we inherit most packages from debian, so it's group maintenance anyway
[02:15] <TheMuso> evand: There is no real such thing as maintainer for universe in Ubuntu.
[02:15] <persia> evand: Many uploaders welcome this.  It's polite to check with the last uploader, but most are fairly busy.
[02:15] <agoliveira> dholbach: Indeed, right now we are in a packaging frenzy due to time constrains so to be sincere I'm paying attention to details but I expect to be able to do it once we manage to have the first wave beatten.
[02:15] <TheMuso> But if you want to take care of a package that you like using/want to keep up to date, thats fine too.
[02:15] <dholbach> evand: if you encounter a dedicated ubuntu maintainer in the maintainer field you might want to ask first
[02:15] <evand> gotcha, thanks
[02:15] <porthose> Does anyone know of other good examples of packaging php web apps like gallery2, roundcube
[02:16] <dholbach> agoliveira: if you can write a small list and send that off to the mentor list, that helps us a lot - even if it's just bullet points
[02:16] <asac> hi
[02:16] <highvoltage> hi asac
[02:16] <dholbach> porthose: hi charlie... now I recognize you. welcome! :-)
[02:16] <porthose> Hi
[02:16] <dholbach> porthose: did you talk to shawarma (Sren Hansen) about that?
[02:16] <asac> i am late i guess ... sorry got to some adminstrative stuff
[02:17] <dholbach> we can answer specific packaging questions too - is anybody blocked on a packaging problem at the moment?
[02:17] <porthose> He showed me roundcube and I was wondering if there were other examples I didn't know about
[02:18] <dholbach> porthose: at the moment I can't think of any - as I've never touched any of those... but that might be a good question for the mentoring list - that way you reach more people and they can make up their mind before they reply
[02:18] <porthose> trying to learn by example
[02:18] <porthose> will do
[02:19] <dholbach> as I said... I'll try to make a MOTU/ExamplePackages page or something where we can list good examples for 1) python packaging, 2) cdbs, 3) debconf, ...
[02:19] <dholbach> that way we can point to reference packages
[02:20] <dholbach> so what apart from the merging process seemed complicated and hard to understand for you?
[02:21] <dholbach> I think that one of the biggest problems of new contributors is to find out where they can help out or what might be appropriate for their skill set
[02:21] <dholbach> did anybody experience that already?
[02:22] <asac> dholbach: i guess maybe an introduction on how to interpret conflicts during merge might help
[02:22] <asac> e.g. how are the conflicts marked ... what does that mean
[02:22] <dholbach> asac: good idea - what do you think would help in the documentation?
[02:23] <dholbach> asac: an example maybe?
[02:23] <asac> dholbach: actually i have no idea ... but an introduction on what the syntax means might be a good start
[02:24] <asac> dholbach: yes ... and example is mandatory
[02:24] <dholbach> ok... I'll start off a thread on ubuntu-motu{,-mentors}@ about that
[02:24] <dholbach> our documentation about merging is a bit ... confusing
[02:24] <asac> dholbach: actually the main problem is that when it comes down to tricky things, you have to understand the code
[02:24] <dholbach> thanks asac
[02:25] <dholbach> right
[02:25] <dholbach> so asking people who merged or changed the package before is a good idea too
[02:25] <asac> but i think that is one challange that motus should and actually want to face/tackle
[02:25] <dholbach> who in here had trouble with merges already?
[02:26] <dholbach> it'd be nice to have your input on the thread too
[02:26] <evand> ok
[02:26] <dholbach> we have some people in here who are being mentored at the moment - what are you working on currently? are you all supplied with tasks?
[02:26] <asac> i had problems to understand the docs ... so i did it based on what appeared sane
[02:27] <dholbach> seb128: have a desktop task for Martinp23? :-)
[02:28] <seb128> https://launchpad.net/%7Edesktop-bugs/+mentoring ?
[02:28] <seb128> anything in the list ;)
[02:28] <dholbach> Martinp23: I have vte on my "to update" list - although I can't promise that it will be easy to do, but I'd help you out if you'd like to do that
[02:29] <dholbach> although there might be some universe desktop merges left (camorama for example)
[02:30] <Martinp23> dholbach: Hmm ok - should I give camorama a go, and then try vte?
[02:30] <dholbach> excellent - let me know how it goes, I'm happy to assist
[02:30] <dholbach> nobody else being mentored?
[02:30] <dholbach> xxxxx1: I believe siretart is your mentor, right?
[02:31] <xxxxx1> dholbach: yes
[02:31] <xxxxx1> i'm working with him in ecryptfs
[02:31] <dholbach> what has your mentoring experience been until now?
[02:31] <xxxxx1> and.. opencryptoki, trousers, tpm-tools
[02:32] <dholbach> oh wow - how's it coming a long?
[02:32] <xxxxx1> amazing experience.
[02:33] <dholbach> that's nice to hear :-)
[02:33] <xxxxx1> siretart is a good mentor. we're working together discussing some fixes and enhancements with upstream authors
[02:33] <effie_jayx> dholbach,  I am fairly new to the motu world, I started triaging bugs... what's the next step?
[02:34] <effie_jayx> not like Im done with triaging bugs ;)
[02:34] <StevenK> effie_jayx: I'd suggest you look at bitesize and packaging tagged bugs on Launchpad.
[02:34] <StevenK> Kioshen: I missed some questions earlier, did I? :-)
[02:34] <dholbach> xxxxx1: anything you're unhappy about or would like to know?
[02:35] <dholbach> effie_jayx: you could also take a look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Recipes and play with the tools we use a bit
[02:35] <Kioshen> StevenK: nah i'm fine ... i'm here for checking out questions from others ;)
[02:35] <xxxxx1> dholbach: absolutely not. we're doing a good work.
[02:35] <Kioshen> dholbach: just read your e-mail about the recipes thanks for building up that page :)
[02:35] <xxxxx1> dholbach: ;)
[02:36] <dholbach> xxxxx1: thanks a lot for helping out
[02:36] <effie_jayx> StevenK,  sorry if this is too uch of a noob question.. but How can one tell if they are packaging tagged?
[02:36] <dholbach> Kioshen: thanks :-)
[02:36] <siretart> dholbach: we are testing your proposal with reviewing packages managed in bzr branches on lp
[02:36] <dholbach> effie_jayx: we have lists of bugs at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Bugs
[02:36] <siretart> dholbach: lp's subscription feature is indeed very handy here
[02:36] <dholbach> effie_jayx: packaging bugs, bitesize bugs, etc are linked from there
[02:37] <effie_jayx> dholbach,  thanks :D
[02:37] <dholbach> siretart: I hope we can use bzr in a broader scope soon
[02:38] <dholbach> I expected more packaging related questions to be honest... :-)
[02:38] <xxxxx1> i think the review process in lp with bzr is more flexible than revu.
[02:38] <evand> What's the proper protocol for getting a package that's already packaged for Ubuntu, but in upstream's personal repository, into Universe?
[02:39] <StevenK> evand: Firstly, upload it to REVU.
[02:39] <StevenK> evand: Secondly, bug people to review it.
[02:39] <persia> evand: If upstream did a good job, it's just an upload, but often is requires some repackaging before being uploaded to REVU.
[02:39] <StevenK> evand: Thirdly, keep bugging people, if necessary. :-P
[02:40] <evand> heh, thanks
[02:40] <StevenK> evand: Once it has two MOTU say it's fine, it should be uploaded.
[02:41] <dholbach> who of the new contributors wants to get a simple task assigned to start helping out or do you all think you'll find something easy to work on yourself? :-)
[02:41] <Kioshen> xxxxx1: any link to this proposal I think i missed it ... ?
[02:41] <Kioshen> dholbach: I know I do :)
[02:41] <evand> dholbach: I think I could use a directed task.
[02:42] <dholbach> anybody have a task they'd agree to review afterwards?
[02:42] <porthose> pothose raises hand
[02:42] <StevenK> porthose: /me is fun
[02:42] <dholbach> persia, ScottK, asac, TheMuso, Hobbsee?
[02:43] <StevenK> Aww. dholbach always forgets about me.
[02:43] <dholbach> StevenK? :)
[02:43] <dholbach> I'm sure you all complain about having too much to do? :-)
[02:43] <asac> dholbach: i need someone who can code some php (or any other web tech)
[02:43] <ScottK> dholbach: Sorry not at the moment.
[02:43] <TheMuso> dholbach: I'd be happy to give a merge of mine to someone.
[02:43] <StevenK> Kioshen: Ouch! In the back?
[02:43] <TheMuso> And would be happy to review it.
[02:44] <asac> dholbach: its for the firefox plugin web-service
[02:44] <dholbach> TheMuso: Kioshen, evand and porthose would be willing to work on a task
[02:44] <StevenK> TheMuso: I'll take one of yours and you can review it afterward. :-P
[02:44] <effie_jayx> dholbach,  me too :S
[02:44] <TheMuso> StevenK: hardy har har.
[02:44] <evand> great
[02:44] <dholbach> asac: I think porthose works on PHP stuff
[02:44] <Kioshen> StevenK: as in encouragement probably lost in translation i guess :)
[02:44] <asac> porthose: you wanna help?
[02:44] <porthose> sure if I can
[02:44] <asac> porthose: its about server side of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/firefox-distro-addon-support
[02:44] <StevenK> Kioshen: I know. :-) It's the "on the back", in the back being painful. :-)
[02:44] <dholbach> I'm sure seb128 wouldn't mind if somebody took care of the  easytag  merge
[02:45] <TheMuso> Ok. Who wants to merge plib?
[02:45] <dholbach> ^who wants that one?
[02:45] <ScottK> dholbach: I take it back.  clamav needs a merge.  If someone wants to try that, I'll review it.
[02:45] <StevenK> ScottK: That's mean.
[02:45] <dholbach> ScottK: how hard do you think it is?
[02:45] <seb128> dholbach: I think easytag can be synced
[02:45] <asac> porthose: if you want you can join #ubuntu-mozillateam channel ... where i usually do mentoring for all things around firefox/mozilla
[02:45] <ScottK> dholbach: It's actually a very easy one now.
[02:45] <persia> If anyone wants the merge of kstreamripper, I'd be happy to review.
[02:45] <seb128> dholbach: I would not mind somebody else maintaining it though :p
[02:45] <porthose> k will do
[02:46] <dholbach> seb128: doing a merge is a first good step
[02:46] <xxxxx1> guys, i have a work meeting now. thanks dholbach !
[02:46] <ScottK> StevenK: Debian clamav package recently got a makeover that makes it a lot easier.  There's only one Ubuntu unique change now.
[02:46] <dholbach> bye xxxxx1_away
[02:46] <dholbach> so who does clamav?
[02:46] <seb128> dholbach: right, I just think it's syncable directly
[02:46] <StevenK> Hrm. I have one universe merge left, and I have a package that's nearly ready to upload.
[02:46] <effie_jayx> dholbach,  me
[02:46] <dholbach> who does easytag?
[02:46] <dholbach> thanks seb128
[02:47] <ScottK> effie_jayx: ping me on #ubuntu-motu if you need help or when you have something.  I'll be mostly here for the next 7 hours.
[02:47] <dholbach> xawtv might be easy too
[02:47] <seb128> dholbach: people can help with GNOME 2.19.3 updates coming if they want
[02:47] <effie_jayx> ScottK,  will do
[02:47] <dholbach> yes, ping me next week if you want to help out with gnome 2.19.3 updates - I'm happy to review updates
[02:47] <StevenK> seb128: Most of them being main, though?
[02:47] <dholbach> StevenK: that's no problem
[02:47] <seb128> StevenK: right, we can sponsor them
[02:48] <dholbach> bluez-hcidump might be easy too
[02:48] <seb128> we did it for most of the merges on gutsy opening
[02:48] <dholbach> so everybody grabbed a merge/update?
[02:48] <seb128> gdeskcal has a 1.01 upstream and we have an outdated version
[02:49] <seb128> if somebody wants to do the update I'm happy to sponsor it
[02:49] <seb128> I'm "maintaining" the package for Debian but didn't update it for quite some time
[02:49] <StevenK> If no-one takes it, I can do it, and I don't need sponsorship.
[02:49] <StevenK> I can even NMU it for you, seb128. :-P
[02:50] <seb128> StevenK: you can take over it if you want ;)
[02:50] <dholbach> excellent, seems everybody has grabbed a task - if not ping me later and we'll sort something out
[02:50] <StevenK> I'm not quite that glutton for punishment.
[02:50] <evand> Did anyone take plib?
[02:50] <evand> I missed it
[02:50] <TheMuso> evand: You can take it if you want.
[02:51] <dholbach> I guess it's yours now :)
[02:51] <TheMuso> Unless someone else said they did.
[02:51] <evand> Will do
[02:51] <TheMuso> unless someone else has it
[02:52] <Kioshen> dholbach: is there a page for the gnome update ?
[02:52] <dholbach> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/ftp-release-list/2007-May/thread.html
[02:53] <dholbach> we grab them from the list as they come in
[02:53] <Kioshen> dholbach: okay and afterwards it's the normal merge process ?
[02:53] <dholbach> we mostly just update the packages
[02:54] <dholbach> in the past seb128 and I have been doing one merge with debian once the archive opened for the new release and another one before feature freeze or some time around that
[02:54] <dholbach> so there's no need to merge every debian change at any given time
[02:54] <seb128> We do sometime a merge when Debian has interesting changes
[02:55] <seb128> when they just update to new version like they just did to GNOME 2.18.2 there is no need to merge the new changelog entry
[02:55] <Kioshen> so basically you can the old package, take the new upstream tarball, rev it up, upload to revu and poke people
[02:56] <dholbach> yes, roughly using the process outlined on the Recipes page ... roughly :)
[02:56] <Kioshen> okay and gnome 2.19.3 is scheduled next week so i'll give time to read up on the subject then
[02:57] <dholbach> excellent
[02:57] <dholbach> just hop into #ubuntu-desktop and let us know
[02:57] <dholbach> I prefer to review than to do it myself, so I can help up with issues as they creep up
[02:58] <dholbach> do we have any other questions?
[02:58] <Kioshen> i'm in the process of moving out of my current appartment but i'll do my best
[02:58] <Kioshen> no from me since i've poked a lot StevenK yesterday
[02:59] <StevenK> Heh, it wasn't yesterday here. :-)
[02:59] <icf7> how can I test a package for gutsy? just configure pbuilder with gutsy instead of feisty?
[02:59] <StevenK> icf7: That's one way, yes.
[02:59] <dholbach> icf7: that's for a build test, yes
[03:00] <dholbach> icf7: you can mostly install a gutsy package on feisty to test it, but it's not optimal
[03:00] <StevenK> icf7: You can test the package builds in the gutsy pbuilder, and then log into the gutsy pbuilder to test install as well.
[03:00] <icf7> thank you!
[03:00] <Kioshen> come to think of it, will I need a full gusty installation if I want to test unstable gnome packages ?
[03:00] <dholbach> we should have some documentation about 1) chroots, 2) installations on separate partitions, 3) stuff like vmware, etc
[03:00] <StevenK> Kioshen: Not really.
[03:01] <agoliveira> After messing up my chroot twice I went for vmware and I'm a happy camper now :)
[03:01] <Kioshen> StevenK: Why ? it's mostly graphical applications or we can run them from a chroot
[03:02] <StevenK> Kioshen: They can be run from a chroot, yes.
[03:02] <StevenK> Kioshen: As agoliveira, a VMware instance of Gutsy could work, too
[03:02] <StevenK> Er, as agoliveira said
[03:03] <Kioshen> StevenK: great thanks
[03:05] <dholbach> any other questions?
[03:06] <Kioshen> oh yes gpg keys
[03:06] <dholbach> ah yes
[03:06] <Kioshen> do we need them signed first ?
[03:06] <persia> Kioshen: It's stongly encouraged, but not required.
[03:10] <dholbach> I'm very happy with how the Q&A session went - thanks everybody for coming here
[03:10] <dholbach> we should do this regularly - so what about doing them in 2 weeks again?
[03:10] <evand> thank you to everyone who helped
[03:10] <dholbach> same time? other date and time?
[03:10] <Kioshen> well at least this time I wasn't the only one asking questions hehe
[03:10] <StevenK> Muahaha
[03:11] <asac> dholbach: 2 weeks is fine
[03:11] <hunger> Wow... that took me long to figure out.
[03:11] <agoliveira> dholbach: That would be nice. I'm still a bit at large due the huge workload but for sure I'll get more involved as soon as the things settle down a bit.
[03:11] <asac> dholbach: maybe people that are out of task can add some info about them to a wiki page so we can take a look a day in advance and think about suitable tasks?
[03:11] <dholbach> asac: we should always have those tasks ready
[03:12] <asac> dholbach: point is... we don't know the skills
[03:12] <dholbach> asac: but still it's good to have a bunch of tasks at hand, if somebody asks you
[03:13] <dholbach> I'll try to make that part of my daily workflow: adding bugs to my 'easy tasks' list
[03:14] <dholbach> ok, thanks everybody for coming - be sure to hang out in #ubuntu-motu and ubuntu-motu-mentors@lists.ubuntu.com and ask questions there
[03:14] <dholbach> have a nice day :)
[03:14] <evand> thanks dholbach
[03:14] <asac> thanks all
[03:14] <Kioshen> thanks everybody
[03:15] <agoliveira> dholbach: Thank you!
[03:15] <dholbach> thanks :)
[11:29] <Tobster> Hi