=== norsetto [n=norsetto@host59-216-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === norsetto [n=norsetto@host59-216-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has left #ubuntu-classroom [] === blueyed [n=daniel@pdpc/supporter/active/blueyed] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === porthose [n=charliej@72.24.69.50] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === Tiradin [n=fragment@bas8-toronto63-1096782738.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [01:33] Hello === iShock [n=ubuntu@64.255.118.147] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [01:33] Tiradin: hey [01:33] Walk me through installing grub someone please? === mseney [n=mseney@cpe-74-76-58-88.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [01:33] jrib: Am i right in assuming that i'll be editing fstab? [01:34] yes [01:34] your pastebin looks a little funny, can you check that line 9 is right? [01:34] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23346/ [01:34] jrib do u no how to install dis grub? [01:35] it does look a little funny. [01:35] iShock: not really but I can point you to the documentation, try #ubuntu [01:35] !grub > iShock (see the private message from ubotu) [01:35] jrib, i need halp wid it, dat makes no cents to me [01:35] I need to remove it toally [01:35] jrib: I think it just formatted it funny. [01:36] well line 9 has no device [01:36] I need to remove it toally jrib plz halp [01:36] Are you talking specifically about the format of the text or something in the way /media/hda2 is represented? [01:36] iShock: what do you want to replace it with? [01:36] oh [01:36] Tiradin: well, it should be: [01:36] you mean that big space...yes that's in my fstab. [01:36] [01:36] jrib i need to run windows [01:36] but you have no [01:37] iShock: grub can load windows [01:37] wow dat lks confuzing [01:37] I got error 22 jrib [01:37] you mean that there is no UUID= in the fstab? [01:37] And it dont boot [01:37] Tiradin: right [01:37] Tiradin: do you know what hda2 is? [01:37] jrib: it should be my drive designated "collective", but apparently it is not. [01:37] jrib pls halp [01:37] Tiradin: /dev/hda5 is Collective [01:38] That might be why then... [01:38] Tiradin: pastebin one more thing: blkid [01:38] jrib i got error 22 wif dis grub and windows wont start [01:38] how kan i fix dat? [01:38] I think I may have a solution from looking at it. [01:38] iShock: does ubuntu start? [01:38] ony da live cd === leonel [n=leonel@189.155.154.187] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [01:39] iShock: I don't know, try #ubuntu. More people there can help you [01:39] jrib no one answers [01:39] jrib: I have 4 HDA's, designated hda1, hda3, hda6, and hda5, in that order. The reason for this might be because of the way I partitioned the drive. The linux partitions exist BETWEEN the two NTFS partitions... I'm not sure if that matters, [01:39] jrib, ishock is electricity [01:39] check his IP [01:40] no im not [01:40] jrib: I think I mis-informed about my issue. [01:40] /whowas Electricity [01:40] that command doesn't work here... [01:40] do i look like my name is electrcity? [01:40] nicks can change all the time [01:40] np [01:41] so bcuz ppl share same fking net it makes dem same pplz [01:41] ? [01:41] mode (+b *!*@64.255.118.147 [01:41] Nick: iShock [01:41] Username: n=ubuntu@64.255.118.147 [01:41] so myb we r usn same net? [01:41] first line is from #ubuntu when jrib had Electricity banned. [01:41] not to mention electricit is still on nubs [01:41] So all the sudden your speech becomes un-impaired and your attitude becomes similar to his? [01:42] that's ok, he's welcomed here if he is more friendly this time [01:42] Indeed.. [01:42] Sorry jrib.. [01:42] in any case [01:42] im nt fking electricity whois him nubs, he still on, and im on, meaning i aint same 1 [01:42] jrib, u no how to install grub? [01:42] no [01:43] i tink i is banned from #ubuntu === mode/#ubuntu-classroom [+o jrib] by ChanServ === mode/#ubuntu-classroom [-o jrib] by jrib [01:43] wat kind of classroom is dis? [01:44] jrib: I would like the two ntfs partitions to be immediately useable and available upon startup. /dev/hda1 (one of the NTFS partitions) is available immediately and shows up on my desktop upon startup. The other, (/dev/hda5) does not and I would like it to. [01:44] iShock: classrooms about linux happen here sometimes [01:44] Tiradin: k, pastebin "blkid" [01:44] jrib, i r not allwoed to tlk in ubuntu wtf? [01:45] jrib: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23352/ [01:45] jrib kan u unban my ip from ubuntu i cnt tlk [01:46] iShock: no [01:46] y da fk not? [01:46] wtf did i do? [01:46] i get banned 4 sittin dere? [01:46] iShock: this isn't the right place to talk about it, feel free to discuss it in #ubuntu-ops [01:46] iShock: your attitude is not helping you at all [01:47] dis is bullsht....banned for fking idling...whores.. === mode/#ubuntu-classroom [+o nalioth] by ChanServ === mode/#ubuntu-classroom [+b *!*@64.255.118.147] by nalioth === iShock [n=ubuntu@64.255.118.147] has left #ubuntu-classroom [requested] === mode/#ubuntu-classroom [-o nalioth] by nalioth [01:47] Tiradin: erm ok, do you want to use the uuid? or is /dev/hda5 fine? [01:47] /dev/hda5 is fine [01:48] Tiradin: ok since line 9 isn't doing much anyway, the easiest way to do it is to change line 9 from: [01:48] /media/hda2 ntfs defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0 1 [01:48] to: [01:48] /dev/hda5 /media/Collective ntfs defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0 0 [01:48] notice that 1 at the end was changed to a 0 [01:49] you should do that for all the ntfs stuff (line 8 too) [01:49] ok. [01:51] jrib: this is line 8: [01:51] # /dev/hda1 /media/hda1 ntfs defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0 0 [01:51] and this is line 9: [01:51] /dev/hda5 /media/Collective ntfs defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0 0 [01:52] sorry for the spam. [01:52] Tiradin: you got rid of uuid in line 8 and commented it? [01:52] it was already commented :/ [01:52] hmm, not in your pastebin [01:52] no? [01:52] That is very odd. [01:53] /dev/hda6 is commented in my fstab too... [01:53] ah yes [01:53] that is just a comment so you know what the uuid corresponds to [01:53] oh ok [01:53] but if you replace the uuid with /dev/foo then you don't want it commented [01:53] ok [01:53] so either or is fine... I see [01:53] so should that work now? (I removed the comment from /dev/hda1 [01:53] hmm [01:54] I just realized we are doing this the hard way, there is a gui tool called ntfs-config in feisty now. But we're done now so it's ok [01:54] lol... [01:54] Tiradin: yeah that should work, do this: sudo umount /dev/hda5 && sudo mount -a [01:54] that's alright, learn to walk before you run :P [01:55] umm.. [01:55] stupid error, one second. [01:55] mount: mount point /media/Collective does not exist [01:55] ah, sudo mkdir /media/Collective [01:56] umount: /dev/hda5: not mounted [01:56] k, just do: sudo mount -a [01:56] so is that going to be from start up now? [01:56] yep [01:57] Because when I start up, I had to type in a password before accessing /media/Collective :P [01:57] Tiradin: /media/hda1 was working fine right? without password? [01:57] alright, well i'm going to reboot and then join back in here to tell you how it goes... Thank you jrib :) [01:57] yup [01:57] yeah, should be good then === Kioshen [n=kioshen@modemcable125.151-80-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === Tiradin [n=fragment@bas8-toronto63-1096782738.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [02:00] Jrib: it works fine, thank you very much :) [02:00] Tiradin: great === StevenK [n=stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [02:09] just a quick check ... am I an hour too soon for the MOTU Q&A ? [02:10] Kioshen: date --utc .. [02:10] leonel: thanks [02:18] is the Q&A to 0:00 or 1:00? UTC [02:18] 0:00 acoording to the mail [02:18] supposed to be 0:00 UTC [02:18] hmm === Martinp23 wonders where everyone is === merriam_ [n=merriam@85-211-245-180.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [02:19] have any questions ? [02:21] Well, I would really like to get involved in MOTU but I'm afraid to screw up [02:22] Don't be afraid of screwing up. We're all human. [02:22] Kioshen: that's why there are sponsors and we all make mistakes [02:23] Do I have to do something special to have somebody prod me in the right direction when I'm lost [02:23] because i've looked up the documentation but it's really vast [02:23] I have to start somewhere like helping out in mergings [02:24] Kioshen: I would suggest you join #ubuntu-motu, and don't be afraid of asking questions. [02:24] but i'm not too sure how to procede and certainly not make angry a Debian dev because of a bad merge [02:25] I don't see that as being too much of a concern. [02:25] StevenK: mkay [02:26] I know there was a new section in LP about mentoring or something [02:26] I already have an LP account but do I need something more to list myself ? [02:28] I don't know much of anything about the mentoring side of LP, sorry. === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [02:29] StevenK: No problem I guess I should have searched first : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentoring [02:31] So basically I should read up in the MOTU section of the wiki, read the packaging guide [02:31] If i'm not too sure (that will probably come up often) i go at #ubuntu-motu and ask what I don't understand === Kioshen feels like i'm stealing the stage here ... [02:33] Sounds sensible. Even if you just lurk in #ubuntu-motu you'll pick stuff up. [02:33] Do you use bazaar constantly to manage patches ? [02:33] or Quilt is another one that comes up often [02:34] Actually, what I see most often is dpatch and cdbs's simple patch system. [02:35] as for the automated merging software ... does MOTUs still use MoM or DaD ? [02:36] Yes. Often. === Kioshen_ [n=kioshen@modemcable125.151-80-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [02:38] ugh sorry my wifi broke down [02:38] anyway ... so is MoM deprecated now that DaD is online or they both complement each other as of now === kab [n=abarrera@148.229.1.11] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [02:44] leonel talked about sponsors earlier ... do I ask in #ubuntu-motu for a review and at the same time for a sponsor or I put it in bug report ? [02:44] regarding a patch on a package or publishing a merge [02:46] You can put your merge onto REVU, or you can file a bug with a debdiff and subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors. [02:47] from the wiki page it says that I need a GPG key for uploading to REVU [02:47] Yes, that's correct. [02:47] do I need to have it signed first in a key signing party or one that I create will be okay at first [02:48] You also need one to upload to the archive, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. :-) [02:49] yes since i will need training wheels first [02:49] I would suggest you get your key signed first. [02:49] I'll be going to the Ottawa Linux Symposium ... I guess I'll be able to find someone to sign mine there [02:50] You might also want to join the ubuntu-ca team in LP. [02:51] Any requirements except being Canadian ? [02:51] I think that's the only requirement. [02:52] a gpg key is mainly need for uploading packages but nothing prevents me for submitting patches right ? [02:53] That's right. === Kioshen_ is now known as Kioshen [02:55] how do I join a team in LP. I've tried searching for ubuntu-ca in LP but it doesn't bring up anything. I tried checking out an option in my profile but didn't see anything either [02:56] If you know the name of the team or person: https://launchpad.net/~ [02:57] You can search by using https://launchpad.net/people [02:57] okay thanks [02:57] hum from the page : This is a moderated team; all subscriptions are subjected to approval by one of the team's administrators. [02:57] I guess I'll have to introduce myself in #ubuntu-ca first then ? [02:58] By all means. In the case of ubuntu-au, I clicked the join button and was approved within 24 hours. [03:02] so if I get everything correctly ... read the documentation available in the wiki and practice up the craft, create a GPG key and upload it to LP, apply to ubuntu-ca, check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/TODO once in a while for pointers on where to go, ask questions in #ubuntu-motu and have fun [03:03] Sounds like you've covered everything. :-) [03:03] great thanks a bunch :) [03:04] No problem. :-) === RAOF [n=Chris_@matht464.maths.unsw.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has left #ubuntu-classroom [] === StevenK [n=stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has left #ubuntu-classroom [] === ke4nt [n=viny1@dialup-4.89.249.163.Dial1.Dallas1.Level3.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === _neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db446d8.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === mseney [n=mseney@cpe-74-76-58-88.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === porthose_ [n=charliej@72.24.69.50] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [05:46] when is the next MOTU Q&A [05:47] did I miss it [05:51] 12:00 utc [05:52] thanks === poningru [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === evand [n=evand@ubuntu/member/evand] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === n2diy [n=darryl@ppp-42d42844.wlks.losch.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === elkbuntu [n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === yharrow_ [n=sysadmin@h-68-164-34-89.nycmny83.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === tonyy [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === _neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db44405.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-classroom.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === Topic for #ubuntu-classroom: Ubuntu Open Week is now over; Information and Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek === Topic (#ubuntu-classroom): set by apokryphos at Sun Apr 29 00:25:57 2007 === hedix [i=usr6187@c1.edrana.lt] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === manv [n=manuel@p549D4014.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === manv [n=manuel@p549D4014.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #ubuntu-classroom [] === munckfish [n=munckfis@217.150.115.62] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === th1nk [n=s_wich01@CUBALIBRE.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === trommas [n=tomas@169.84-48-93.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === _neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db447a2.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [11:52] did I miss the event? === zween [n=zween@ASt-Lambert-153-1-57-148.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === hedix [i=usr7100@c1.edrana.lt] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === PWill [n=paul@unaffiliated/pwill] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === EDVINAS_ [i=usr7528@c1.edrana.lt] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === th1nk [n=s_wich01@CUBALIBRE.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === porthose [n=charliej@72.24.69.50] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === Hobbsee [n=user@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === StevenK [n=stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === dholbach [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/dholbach] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === agoliveira [n=adilson@200.146.40.6.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === Belutz [n=belutz@ubuntu/member/belutz] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [01:51] elkbuntu, hi :) === leonel [n=leonel@189.155.118.165] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === imtheface [i=imthefac@ubuntu/member/imtheface] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [01:55] imtheface :D === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === rpedro [n=rpedro@87-196-5-50.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === andika [n=andika@202.155.139.195] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [02:00] Hello everybody! Welcome to the MOTU Q&A session! [02:00] do we have some MOTUs in here? [02:00] Nope. === StevenK chuckles. === pochu [n=emilio@ubuntu/member/pochu] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === ScottK looks for one. === dholbach counts 4 or more - that's a good start :) === pochu waves [02:01] Just Eager Cadets :) === ccm [n=damokles@lilith.spinnenwerk.de] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [02:01] hi all [02:01] first of all, I'd like to invite everybody who's interested in becoming a MOTU at some stage, to sign up for https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu-mentors - it's still quite low traffic and it'll be a good place to ask questions, get a mentor etc === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [02:02] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentoring explains a bit about mentoring and what you should do become part of the process [02:02] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Recipes and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Documentation are quite good to get started too === Hobbsee isnt here. definetly not. [02:02] does anybody have some quetsions already? :) === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [02:02] dholbach: can i have a pony? === highvoltage [n=highvolt@ubuntu/member/highvoltage] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [02:02] Do you any other resources that explain how to use debconf and dbconf-common other than the man pages [02:02] Hobbsee: No pony for you! [02:02] dholbach, what if i don't have a good programming skill? === Hobbsee cries [02:03] Hobbsee: hehe, do I look like Santa Claus? :-) [02:03] dholbach: YES!!!! [02:03] Belutz: Programming skill is not required for packaging. [02:03] Hobbsee: NO :-) [02:03] ScottK: except a bit of bash helps [02:03] Belutz: There are certainly lots of times it helps, but it's not a hard requirement. [02:03] dholbach: awwww === Hobbsee cries [02:03] porthose: There are some good guides and tutorials for debconf usage, but I'm not sure about dbconfig-common. [02:03] Belutz: And what Hobbsee said is right. [02:04] ScottK, then what skills are required to be a part of MOTU team? [02:04] porthose: as for all packaging I recommend looking at existing packages and see how they deal with it [02:04] It's shell scripting, not bash scripting. The two are different, since bash has bash-only features. [02:04] Belutz: Learn about the Debian packaging system [02:04] porthose: I'll make a note about assembling a list of 'example packages' [02:04] Belutz: A basic understanding of Makefiles is also useful. [02:04] Belutz: mostly interest in making things work, motivation and being able to cope with pioneer atmosphere :-) [02:04] Belutz: Often a good way to get started is to look for bugs in Launchpad tagged bitesized and packaging. [02:05] ScottK: excellent point... we have links to those lists on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Bugs [02:05] Belutz: And feel free to stop by #ubuntu-motu and ask us questions. [02:05] :-) === Bixente [i=bixente@80.247.232.217] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [02:06] any more questions? maybe about the processes? specific questions? === Belutz definetly will sign up :-) [02:06] What controls the postinst and the postrm [02:06] great Belutz [02:07] Belutz: The only signing up you really have to do, is get assigned to a mentor, if thats the route you want to take. [02:07] porthose: I'm not sure I understand your question [02:07] porthose: Controls in what sense? [02:07] and read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentoring/Contributor carefully [02:07] porthose: They get created by debhelper scripts usually, but can also be included in the debian/ directory if specific additional action is required. [02:07] TheMuso, yes, I really do need a mentor [02:08] does debconf invoke postinst? [02:08] No. [02:08] Debconf is separate to postinst/postrm. [02:08] Belutz: You can also just show up, dive in, and get to work learning if that's your style. [02:08] porthose: No, you invoke the debconf "confmodule" from the postinst. [02:08] k [02:08] They get called when the package is installed regardless, if they exist. [02:08] And what StevenK said. [02:08] ScottK, is slow internet connection could be a problem? [02:08] Belutz: Certainly not! [02:09] Belutz: Depends on how big the packages are that you work on/ [02:09] ooooh ok [02:09] But usually not. [02:09] Belutz: You might end up cursing it if you upload/download something big, but that's about it. [02:09] Belutz: I think that as long it's *stable*... velocity is not a big deal. [02:10] also if you don't have a download quota [02:10] ok [02:10] fortunately i don't have a download quota :D [02:10] (you might have to download packages from the newest development release) [02:11] ok... who in here is vaguely interested in becoming ubuntu-dev at some stage? === evand raises hand === Hobbsee raises hand === Martinp23 too === Belutz raises hand === StevenK three === dholbach hugs Hobbsee [02:11] (seeing as ajmitch isnt here) === Hobbsee hugs dholbach [02:11] nice... did you all check out some docs already and tried to do some packaging before? [02:11] still hug day? [02:11] All this is showing is that the MOTU are a bunch of children. :-P [02:11] :) [02:11] dholbach, not yet :( [02:12] did you have many difficulties along the way? [02:12] dholbach: I'm doing the Hildon/Maemo ones and, as Tollef said, I was thown into to the deep side of the pool :) [02:13] I tried a merge yesterday. It was a little confusing at first, but asking in -motu helped quite a bit. [02:13] agoliveira: I can imagine that - if you should ever need help along the way, let me know - also if you find documentation to be wrong/broken/etc - it's really important we improve things as we go, so people don't have to go through the same ordeal wtice [02:14] evand: super - if you need a review or something, let us know [02:14] thanks dholbach [02:14] What about working on packages that have a previous maintainer. Is that considered stepping on their toes? [02:15] Err uploader [02:15] evand: not at all - we inherit most packages from debian, so it's group maintenance anyway [02:15] evand: There is no real such thing as maintainer for universe in Ubuntu. [02:15] evand: Many uploaders welcome this. It's polite to check with the last uploader, but most are fairly busy. [02:15] dholbach: Indeed, right now we are in a packaging frenzy due to time constrains so to be sincere I'm paying attention to details but I expect to be able to do it once we manage to have the first wave beatten. [02:15] But if you want to take care of a package that you like using/want to keep up to date, thats fine too. [02:15] evand: if you encounter a dedicated ubuntu maintainer in the maintainer field you might want to ask first [02:15] gotcha, thanks [02:15] Does anyone know of other good examples of packaging php web apps like gallery2, roundcube [02:16] agoliveira: if you can write a small list and send that off to the mentor list, that helps us a lot - even if it's just bullet points === asac [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [02:16] hi [02:16] hi asac [02:16] porthose: hi charlie... now I recognize you. welcome! :-) [02:16] Hi [02:16] porthose: did you talk to shawarma (Sren Hansen) about that? [02:16] i am late i guess ... sorry got to some adminstrative stuff [02:17] we can answer specific packaging questions too - is anybody blocked on a packaging problem at the moment? [02:17] He showed me roundcube and I was wondering if there were other examples I didn't know about [02:18] porthose: at the moment I can't think of any - as I've never touched any of those... but that might be a good question for the mentoring list - that way you reach more people and they can make up their mind before they reply [02:18] trying to learn by example [02:18] will do === xxxxx1 [n=will@44125.static.fln.virtua.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === icf7 [n=chatzill@WL-POOL00-36.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [02:19] as I said... I'll try to make a MOTU/ExamplePackages page or something where we can list good examples for 1) python packaging, 2) cdbs, 3) debconf, ... === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [02:19] that way we can point to reference packages === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [02:20] so what apart from the merging process seemed complicated and hard to understand for you? === effie_jayx [n=valles@190.37.175.48] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === siretart [i=siretart@ubuntu/member/siretart] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [02:21] I think that one of the biggest problems of new contributors is to find out where they can help out or what might be appropriate for their skill set [02:21] did anybody experience that already? [02:22] dholbach: i guess maybe an introduction on how to interpret conflicts during merge might help === leonel_ [n=leonel@189.155.118.165] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [02:22] e.g. how are the conflicts marked ... what does that mean [02:22] asac: good idea - what do you think would help in the documentation? [02:23] asac: an example maybe? [02:23] dholbach: actually i have no idea ... but an introduction on what the syntax means might be a good start [02:24] dholbach: yes ... and example is mandatory [02:24] ok... I'll start off a thread on ubuntu-motu{,-mentors}@ about that [02:24] our documentation about merging is a bit ... confusing [02:24] dholbach: actually the main problem is that when it comes down to tricky things, you have to understand the code [02:24] thanks asac [02:25] right [02:25] so asking people who merged or changed the package before is a good idea too [02:25] but i think that is one challange that motus should and actually want to face/tackle [02:25] who in here had trouble with merges already? === dholbach raises hand === ScottK too === evand also raises hand [02:26] it'd be nice to have your input on the thread too [02:26] ok [02:26] we have some people in here who are being mentored at the moment - what are you working on currently? are you all supplied with tasks? [02:26] i had problems to understand the docs ... so i did it based on what appeared sane === Martinp23 is looking for a task [02:27] seb128: have a desktop task for Martinp23? :-) [02:28] https://launchpad.net/%7Edesktop-bugs/+mentoring ? [02:28] anything in the list ;) [02:28] Martinp23: I have vte on my "to update" list - although I can't promise that it will be easy to do, but I'd help you out if you'd like to do that [02:29] although there might be some universe desktop merges left (camorama for example) [02:30] dholbach: Hmm ok - should I give camorama a go, and then try vte? [02:30] excellent - let me know how it goes, I'm happy to assist [02:30] nobody else being mentored? [02:30] xxxxx1: I believe siretart is your mentor, right? [02:31] dholbach: yes [02:31] i'm working with him in ecryptfs [02:31] what has your mentoring experience been until now? [02:31] and.. opencryptoki, trousers, tpm-tools [02:32] oh wow - how's it coming a long? [02:32] amazing experience. [02:33] that's nice to hear :-) [02:33] siretart is a good mentor. we're working together discussing some fixes and enhancements with upstream authors [02:33] dholbach, I am fairly new to the motu world, I started triaging bugs... what's the next step? [02:34] not like Im done with triaging bugs ;) === dholbach pats siretart on the back [02:34] effie_jayx: I'd suggest you look at bitesize and packaging tagged bugs on Launchpad. === Kioshen [n=kioshen@MTLXPQAK-1168109941.sdsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [02:34] Kioshen: I missed some questions earlier, did I? :-) [02:34] xxxxx1: anything you're unhappy about or would like to know? [02:35] effie_jayx: you could also take a look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Recipes and play with the tools we use a bit [02:35] StevenK: nah i'm fine ... i'm here for checking out questions from others ;) === siretart hugs both xxxxx1 and dholbach [02:35] dholbach: absolutely not. we're doing a good work. [02:35] dholbach: just read your e-mail about the recipes thanks for building up that page :) [02:35] dholbach: ;) [02:36] xxxxx1: thanks a lot for helping out [02:36] StevenK, sorry if this is too uch of a noob question.. but How can one tell if they are packaging tagged? [02:36] Kioshen: thanks :-) [02:36] dholbach: we are testing your proposal with reviewing packages managed in bzr branches on lp [02:36] effie_jayx: we have lists of bugs at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Bugs [02:36] dholbach: lp's subscription feature is indeed very handy here [02:36] effie_jayx: packaging bugs, bitesize bugs, etc are linked from there [02:37] dholbach, thanks :D [02:37] siretart: I hope we can use bzr in a broader scope soon [02:38] I expected more packaging related questions to be honest... :-) [02:38] i think the review process in lp with bzr is more flexible than revu. [02:38] What's the proper protocol for getting a package that's already packaged for Ubuntu, but in upstream's personal repository, into Universe? [02:39] evand: Firstly, upload it to REVU. [02:39] evand: Secondly, bug people to review it. [02:39] evand: If upstream did a good job, it's just an upload, but often is requires some repackaging before being uploaded to REVU. [02:39] evand: Thirdly, keep bugging people, if necessary. :-P [02:40] heh, thanks [02:40] evand: Once it has two MOTU say it's fine, it should be uploaded. [02:41] who of the new contributors wants to get a simple task assigned to start helping out or do you all think you'll find something easy to work on yourself? :-) [02:41] xxxxx1: any link to this proposal I think i missed it ... ? [02:41] dholbach: I know I do :) [02:41] dholbach: I think I could use a directed task. [02:42] anybody have a task they'd agree to review afterwards? [02:42] pothose raises hand [02:42] porthose: /me is fun [02:42] persia, ScottK, asac, TheMuso, Hobbsee? [02:43] Aww. dholbach always forgets about me. === persia looks [02:43] StevenK? :) === StevenK sniffs in the corner. [02:43] I'm sure you all complain about having too much to do? :-) === Kioshen pats StevenK in the back [02:43] dholbach: i need someone who can code some php (or any other web tech) [02:43] dholbach: Sorry not at the moment. [02:43] dholbach: I'd be happy to give a merge of mine to someone. [02:43] Kioshen: Ouch! In the back? [02:43] And would be happy to review it. [02:44] dholbach: its for the firefox plugin web-service [02:44] TheMuso: Kioshen, evand and porthose would be willing to work on a task [02:44] TheMuso: I'll take one of yours and you can review it afterward. :-P [02:44] dholbach, me too :S [02:44] StevenK: hardy har har. [02:44] great [02:44] asac: I think porthose works on PHP stuff [02:44] StevenK: as in encouragement probably lost in translation i guess :) [02:44] porthose: you wanna help? [02:44] sure if I can [02:44] porthose: its about server side of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/firefox-distro-addon-support [02:44] Kioshen: I know. :-) It's the "on the back", in the back being painful. :-) [02:44] I'm sure seb128 wouldn't mind if somebody took care of the easytag merge [02:45] Ok. Who wants to merge plib? [02:45] ^who wants that one? [02:45] dholbach: I take it back. clamav needs a merge. If someone wants to try that, I'll review it. [02:45]