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[08:22] hey Hobbsee === tonyy [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jonibo [n=jonas@ua-83-227-144-18.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === luisbg [n=d33p@87.217.145.66] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F7275C.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:52] Mithrandir, ping === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-devel.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with gutsy; not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/edgy/feisty | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Gutsy open, go ape! === Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by siretart at Sun May 27 17:27:58 2007 [08:56] viviersf: You sent me a contentless ping. This is a contentless pong. Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I am around. [08:57] bitten by contentlessping.pl... [08:57] lol [08:58] Mithrandir, i spoke to you about uswsusp a while back and i was just wondering if it was goign to be standard on gutsy ? [08:58] viviersf: nobody has picked it up and run with it, so I would be surprised if that happens. [08:59] Mithrandir, okay cool thx [09:02] seriously, why cant windows software just work? that includes labview. [09:02] grrr. [09:05] umm, because it's windows? [09:06] Hobbsee, cos then you wouldnt need to buy updated versions ? === Tonio_ [n=tonio@81.185.112.75] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:07] mmm. *grumbles a bit more* [09:07] i think i'm actually using a more updated version than what's on the lab computers anyway === zerbero3 [n=jga@pd9e613ec.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:10] viviersf, Mithrandir: I've been merging it for Gutsy, but that's about it. [09:11] StevenK, i know ive filed sum bugs on it with patches for you [09:11] StevenK, i got an issue with it when upgrading kernels :( [09:12] Don't suspend if you're going to boot a new kernel. [09:13] Hobbsee: you working on Labview today? [09:13] LaserJock: yeah. attempting to. but the ppt that i was working from doesnt seem to wish to open === bonii [n=boni@unaffiliated/bonii] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=thekorn@a81-14-186-197.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:18] Mithrandir: can you give-back strigiapplet on i386 (not sure why only i386 got old version of libstrigihtmlgui-dev) [09:19] Lure: given-back [09:19] Mithrandir: thanks [09:22] StevenK, i know that :) === shiyee [n=Shiyee@homer.cs.aau.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@canonical/launchpad/carlos] has joined #ubuntu-devel === saispo [n=saispo@ryu.zarb.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lool_ is now known as lool === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@c-71-194-189-213.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:34] I got a strange effect: I can log into my box in X, all the apps from my session start up fine. But I can not have new apps connect to the X server anymore... [09:34] DISPLAY is set, I am running gutsy. === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:38] Sorry... my mistake: Mounted /tmp over the X server named pipes:-) === Zdra [n=zdra@cable-85.28.95.83.coditel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mitsuhiko [n=nblackbi@ubuntu/member/mitsuhiko] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:46] doko: got a second? [09:47] dholbach: gnome-orca's uninstallable on the CDs because it depends on libgnome-speech3 rather than the current libgnome-speech7. I had a look at the source but the control file has weird hardcoded dependencies and I wasn't sure I could safely touch it. Could you sort it out? [09:48] cjwatson: sure [09:49] thanks [09:50] mitsuhiko: sure === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:51] doko: i recently encountered some problems with pycentral. really, really strange ones [09:51] bug number? [09:51] i then contacted Piotr Oarowski who maintains my python packages in debian and he had no idea [09:51] i haven't filed a bug because i don't have any information to offer [09:52] the only thing i know is that it broke completely after i installed a python 3000 build === zerbero_2 [n=jga@pd9e606d9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:53] i can file a bug if wanted, but the only thing i know is that most of the prerm scripts now break because they are unable to locate the python version [09:53] symlink of python points to python2.5 [09:54] and also this: [09:54] $ pycentral showdefault [09:54] in/python2.5 [09:55] pycentral showdefault is deprecated; pyversions -d should replace it [09:55] I haven't tested the support tool with python3000 yet [09:55] where is python3000 installed? === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:02] doko: i have removed it in the meantime [10:02] it was in /usr/local [10:02] doko: i know that it's deprecated, but it shouldn't fail tough [10:03] is there some database pycentral has? [10:04] because even reinstalling pycentral hasn't fixed the problems [10:05] no state information [10:06] ls -l /usr/bin/python ? [10:06] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2007-05-13 16:11 /usr/bin/python -> /usr/bin/python2.5 [10:07] (interesting permissions Oo) [10:07] symlinks are always like that [10:07] okay [10:08] doko: also pyversions -i only shows python2.4 and python2.5 although i have python2.3 too [10:10] alright. i have more information now [10:11] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2007-05-24 17:29 /usr/bin/python -> python2.5 [10:11] looks like pycentral doesn't like the /usr/bin/ on the front [10:11] http://beta.paste.pocoo.org/show/168 [10:11] mitsuhiko: you did change things manually? [10:12] doko: i changed the python symlink a couple of times i guess [10:12] and my python3 installation of course. but i now use that only in my local folder [10:13] s/local/~/p3yk/ [10:13] mitsuhiko: pycentral could be a more robust, but changing anything in /usr, which is not in /usr/local or /etc may break your system [10:13] so this should make it work again: ln -sf python2.5 /usr/bin/python [10:14] doko: yeah. that works indeed [10:17] doko: awesome. thanks :D === bmon__ [n=monnahan@221.pool85-55-25.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i59F761EA.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zerbero4 [n=jga@pd9e61e54.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-85-27-113-187.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Revellion [n=revellio@h-243-92.A182.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bonii [n=boni@unaffiliated/bonii] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === munckfish [n=munckfis@217.150.115.62] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@81.185.112.75] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tsmithe [n=toby@ubuntu/member/tsmithe] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:06] Keybuk: yay, esr hot potato for you! [11:06] jdub: he's been hanging out on #upstart for a few days [11:07] his chkconfig thing does look useful [11:09] Keybuk: just be careful, you might just end up on ELER ;) [11:15] I love petunias, don't you? [11:17] Mithrandir: there is something fishy with ffmpeg, the source is in main, but the binaries are in universe. could you please move libavcode-dev, libpostproc-dev, libavformat plus their dependencies on the respective library packages to main and give back xine-lib on all archs? === zerbero_1 [n=jga@pd9e62823.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === aigarius [n=aigarius@87.226.72.210] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@81.185.112.75] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Chipzz_ is now known as Chipzz [11:28] doko: your ia32-libs upload seems to be missing a replaces on ia32-libs-gtk, or it should not include libXcursor. [11:29] Mithrandir: I didn't merge that, or is this an earlier upload? [11:29] doko: hm, I thought it was you [11:30] ah, pitti is the uploaded. [11:30] heh, it's universe now :-) [11:30] uploader, even [11:30] doko: that doesn't help when it's still installed on lots of systems. [11:31] Mithrandir: yes, that was pitti. i've been meaning to bug him about that, as it meant one of my packages ftbfs [11:31] Mithrandir: oh, will fix [11:31] there's a few related bug reports for those packages [11:31] siretart: ^ maybe you can incorporate this small change into your prepared upload which merges the games stuff? [11:33] Mithrandir: so, I'll coordinate this with siretart to avoid two uploads of that huge beast in a row [11:35] pitti: sure, thanks. [11:35] I just noticed it's been like that for a few days, and getting it fixed would be good === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:40] Mithrandir: I think we'll just fix it for good and merge ia32-libs and -gtk [11:40] Hobbsee: you ping'd? [11:41] Keybuk: indeed. [11:42] Keybuk: MOM appears not to have picekd up that i merged sword a while ago. i've recently been notified that the new patch is not on patches.ubuntu.com. I'm not sure where the proceedure is breaking down, but it being broken isnt so great. [11:42] and i've got no idea who to poke about it not beign on p.u.c - perhaps you could deal with it and/or pass it on? [11:42] patches.ubuntu.com is MoM [11:43] point. then it's your domain, i believe. [11:43] which sword package? [11:43] (full source package name) [11:44] er, sword. [11:44] no such source package [11:44] it is the source package name. [11:44] try again :) [11:44] it's listed on MOM as sword [11:44] hmm [11:44] oh [11:44] it's blacklisted === Hobbsee stops herself before trying to put "madison sword" into cmd.exe [11:44] ah right [11:45] removed it from the blacklist, it'll show up soon [11:45] great :) [11:45] tollef blacklisted it because it caused a sync problem [11:45] ahhh [11:45] yes, differing tarballs [11:45] one day, hopefully upstream will release a new tarball, and it can stay synced forever more. [11:45] Keybuk: Is MoM able to show something is blacklisted? [11:45] same to kguitar. [11:46] i just look forward to that day. [11:46] StevenK: it's a general archive blacklist [11:46] http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/sync-blacklist.txt [11:46] Ah [11:46] I should find some free time to nuke the top of the blacklist [11:49] hotplug # all hail udevd === StevenK chuckles === chand| [n=rsamson@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:50] Hah, there's one worse. === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:52] I'm glad someone cleaned up that file before publicizing it - the version in the dak tree had err, much more interesting comments [11:53] elmo: Actually, you're in it with "elmo, comment lost" a little bit [11:54] yeah, I know [11:54] the original version of that, f.e. was: [11:54] # old MOTU removals - use to have reasons, but I trashed the blacklist file by mistake. go me. [JT] [11:54] Muahaha [11:54] I'm curious about some of these much more interesting comments, though. :-) [11:55] they' [11:55] argh [11:55] it is possible that we artificially lost some of those reasons [11:55] they're actually lost, not just put in revision control. [11:55] cjwatson: *cough*. :-P [11:56] haha [11:56] cjwatson: data loss bug. totally coincidental. [11:56] and the backups failed. [11:57] we use the Linus Backup Strategy, didn't you know? [11:57] publish your stuff on an ftp site and let the world mirror it. [11:58] lol === pochu [n=emilio@168.Red-83-57-161.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:00] speaking of madison, anyone fancy porting rmadison to Ubuntu? madison.php is available from debian-qa CVS, and I'm sure it could be run easily enough on rookery or somewhere else with a full mirror [12:01] Must it be PHP? :-) [12:02] I'm no PHP fan, but it's what's there; at least it should have a compatible interface === Keybuk thought "elmo, comment lost" was "CENSORED" [12:02] rmadison already supports multiple backends [12:02] there was certainly a pert turn of phrase we used in some cases [12:03] hm, what does rmadison do again? [12:03] remote madison; talks to a CGI [12:04] ah, ok. [12:04] debian-qa CVS> I mean svn these days [12:04] my ~/bin/madison is ssh merkel.debian.org madison "$@" [12:07] ooh, there's a perl implementation [12:07] I might just spend ten minutes deploying that this afternoon [12:07] you have 10 minutes of CFT? you clearly don't have enough to do === StevenK [n=stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:08] you just work for ten more minutes in the evening :P === Zdra [n=zdra@195.244.169.43] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:08] Finally. Memory usage isn't 100% [12:09] cjwatson: David knows where the circuit breakers are [12:09] Keybuk: 10 hours of battery life and neighbour with wifi. :-P [12:09] I have one, but not the other. Pity. [12:10] my neighbours use *my* WiFI [12:10] Figure out which neighbours and bill them? === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=user@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zerbero4 [n=jga@pD9E62059.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === luisbg [n=d33p@87.217.144.74] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mrsn0 [n=sno_@cpc3-blfs6-0-0-cust294.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:19] heh, another good removal message... [12:19] ltsp-utils # ogra wails like a girl if this gets sync'd [12:19] heh === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:20] pitti: right, I think we should just merge all three of ia32-libs{,-gtk,-sdl} [12:20] siretart: I agree; easier to maintain and update [12:20] Hobbsee, how did you know :) [12:21] Hobbsee, but its a) blacklisted and b) i talked to the DD who agreed to drop it from debian [12:21] ogra: Hobbsee was reciting from the sync-blacklist. [12:21] ogra: haha [12:22] siretart: hmm, you already added some GTKish bits to your version, didn't you? does -gtk actually contain anything on top of that? [12:22] Mithrandir, ah === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Revellion [n=revellio@h-243-92.A182.cust.bahnhof.se] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:27] pitti: I've added the packages that where comment out in the previous version of the package [12:27] pitti: the comment was that they were in universe. most probably some of them are in ia32-libs-gtk as well [12:27] siretart: ah, ok; do you feel like merging -gtk, too, or do you want to send me your current patch and I finish it for -gtk? === Spads [n=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:28] pitti: If you have time now, I'd prefer to send you my patch [12:28] (/me at work now and has to fight a lot with perl :/) [12:28] siretart: not now, probably on Monday [12:28] ah, ok. [12:29] siretart: tomorrow might work too if archive stuff doesn't keep me busy all the day [12:29] so either I find the time tomorrow or I'll send you the patch [12:29] siretart: good luck with Perl :) [12:29] siretart: so, if you can send me the patch, then I'll look into it ASAP unless you IRC-ping me about it and beat me to it [12:29] pitti: you said that running fetch-source.sh with BUILD=0 was okay, right? === lfittl [n=lfittl@213.129.230.12] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:29] siretart: fetch-and-build.sh, yes [12:30] err, yes. okay [12:30] siretart: those are perfectly valid buildd generated .debs, so I don't see a reason to not use them [12:30] okay [12:30] I'll add a note to the readme about that === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:44] cjwatson: http://merges.ubuntu.com/stats.txt === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:45] Keybuk: Should you comment out events that fall off the front of the graph like Edgy Release and Edgy's archive being open? === zerbero_ [n=jga@pd9e60913.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:48] the code should remove them, IMO === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lfittl_ [n=lfittl@2001:6f8:107e:30:216:36ff:fe17:3cef] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lfittl [n=lfittl@2001:6f8:107e:30:216:36ff:fe17:3cef] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra_ [n=zdra@195.244.169.43] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lfittl_ [n=lfittl@2001:6f8:107e:30:216:36ff:fe17:3cef] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lfittl [n=lfittl@2001:6f8:107e:30:216:36ff:fe17:3cef] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lfittl_ [n=lfittl@2001:6f8:107e:30:216:36ff:fe17:3cef] has joined #ubuntu-devel === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === agoliveira [n=adilson@200.146.40.6.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gicmo [n=gicmo@p5491e49f.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Watersevenub [n=Watersev@242-207.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:04] Seveas: ping? === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AlinuxOS [n=vsichi@host122-198-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pbn [i=pbn@wopr.geekshells.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:09] so it is safe to upgrade gutsy with the new lvm/raid stuff? [01:10] or can i expect the world to explode? === zerbero__2 [n=jga@pd9527ec2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jonibo [n=jonas@ua-83-227-144-18.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === pbn [i=pbn@wopr.geekshells.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:15] $ scripts/rmadison.pl -u ubuntu -s gutsy -c main -a i386 man-db man-db | 2.4.4-3 | gutsy | i386 [01:15] excellent [01:15] (ignoring stupid irssi line-wrapping; anyone know how to turn that off?) [01:16] $ scripts/rmadison.pl -u ubuntu -s gutsy -c main -a i386 man-db [01:16] man-db | 2.4.4-3 | gutsy | i386 [01:16] better; /set paste_join_multiline off === lfittl [n=lfittl@2001:6f8:107e:30:216:36ff:fe17:3cef] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:18] cjwatson: Oh neat. I've been wondering how to stop irssi doing that. [01:19] cjwatson: How many lines is rmadison.pl ? [01:20] 233 === tsmithe [n=toby@ubuntu/member/tsmithe] has joined #ubuntu-devel === EtienneG [n=etienne@ubuntu/member/EtienneG] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:29] mjg59: can we trade merges? I'd like to avoid breaking laptop-mode-tools and hand this off to you, and in return grab dhcdbd from you [01:29] mergebay again! [01:29] yay [01:30] pitti: if you can let exiv2 and libkdcraw past binary NEW it would make new digikam build ;-) [01:31] Lure: looking [01:31] pitti: thanks [01:31] Lure: there's no exiv2 in NEW [01:32] neither is kdcraw [01:32] exiv2 | 0.14-1 | gutsy | source [01:32] exiv2 | 0.14-1 | gutsy/universe | amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc, sparc [01:32] pitti: I accepted them before lunch, why? [01:32] looks current [01:32] seb128: ah :) [01:33] seb128: because Lure asked [01:33] ah, k [01:33] why does our tzdata package ask me questions in it's postinst ? [01:33] like, not even with debconf === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:34] elmo: erm, it's not supposed to; we fixed the debconfishness right at the beginning of gutsy [01:34] elmo: what does it ask? [01:34] pitti: ok, this is feisty [01:34] Your current time zone is set to Unknown [01:34] Do you want to change that? [n] : [01:34] elmo: right, it didn't have any debconf stuff in feisty yet [01:34] if [ "$USER" = "*elmo*" ] ; then debconf_ask_random_question; fi [01:34] pitti: ok, as long as it'll go away at some point [01:35] elmo: is that true? I. e. did you really not have a TZ set before? or is that an upgrade bug? [01:35] pitti: it's a chroot [01:35] pitti: I probably didn't have a TZ set [01:35] ah, I see [01:35] (ronne's feisty-amd64 chroot to be precise) [01:35] elmo: in gutsy that's properly debconfified now [01:35] cool [01:36] pitti: sorry, seb128 was too fast [01:36] pitti: so libkdcraw is fine for main inclusion? [01:36] Lure: I didn't look at it yet === StevenK waits for exiv2 to hit archive.u.c [01:37] (I need to upload a build1 of a rdepends) === Lure waits for libkdcraw to hit main ;-) [01:37] StevenK: great - I was just preparing the list for Riddell ;-) [01:38] Lure: And what did main ever do to it? [01:38] I didn't think that was much that depends on exiv2 [01:39] BenC: FYI, I don't NEW the new kernel as long as it's FTBFS on powerpc, to avoid unnecessary ABI bumps in case the powerpc build fix needs to change ABI [01:40] pitti: sure things, I have another upload ready [01:40] BenC: oh, good morning. Early bird :) [01:41] hey BenC [01:41] BenC: upload? please pull the gfs2 stuff from kernel.org pretty please? [01:41] BenC: and add the 3 extra symbols? [01:42] BenC: and re-enable gfs1? :P [01:42] (don't pull from my tree.. it's borked) [01:42] fabbione: I'll see what I can do, I didn't want to have to go through another round of build/boot tests...but for you, I might :) [01:42] BenC: ok.. if it's not this one, can you please make sure it's queued for the next? [01:42] BenC: i can't build userland without the new headers [01:43] definitely [01:43] and i need to start doing some QA on that stuff before we find that the world crashes 2 days before release [01:43] need to get some coffee, just rolled out of bed [01:43] ehhe [01:43] enjoy [01:43] yay Priority: headers! /me hugs cjwatson; gutsy debootstrap works again [01:44] yeah, it's healthier now === zerbero_1 [n=jga@pD9527493.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:57] MOTU Q&A session in 3 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom === Tonio_ [n=tonio@81.185.112.75] has joined #ubuntu-devel === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@81.185.112.75] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blackskad [n=blackska@latex.ugent.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blackskad [n=blackska@latex.ugent.be] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === hggdh [n=hggdh@118.sub-70-216-21.myvzw.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nuu [n=neuro@host119-68-static.104-82-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nuu [n=neuro@host119-68-static.104-82-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has left #ubuntu-devel ["I] === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:14] Keybuk: ping? [02:15] /etc/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules <- rewriting config files, isn't that a policy violation? [02:15] no [02:15] rewriting conffiles is a policy violation [02:15] conffiles is :) [02:15] rewriting config files is entirely valid [02:16] even though the definition in the policy is not very precise there, i often have that discussion with DDs as well [02:17] anyway that script is buggy... [02:17] a lot :) [02:17] it's breaking my decnet setup... === bonii [n=boni@unaffiliated/bonii] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:18] how can i live without decnet ? [02:18] :P [02:19] hmm? [02:19] what's the bug? [02:19] Keybuk: i am kidding.. it's not serious.. === nosrednaekim [n=michael@03-122.200.popsite.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:19] it's an upstream script, so we should probably fix it if it's broken for something [02:20] decnet protocol changes mac address on the interface in a very consistent way to define the "node address" (similar to the ip address) [02:20] that creates 2 entries in the rules [02:20] hello,does anyone know what language the restricted manager is written in? I would like to port it to kubuntu [02:20] and the interface that was named eth0 all of a sudden becomes eth1 [02:21] decnet setup can break and so does the ip because there might be no entry for eth1 in interfaces [02:21] fabbione: they're named eth* ? [02:21] decnet breaks because you can specify what interface to use [02:21] nosrednaekim: Python, and its core functionality is separate from the UI, so it should be somewhat trivial. [02:21] Keybuk: yes.. [02:21] nosrednaekim: we already have someone working on that [02:21] ion_: cool, I know Python! [02:21] Keybuk: there is no reason to change iface name.. just the mac address [02:21] fabbione: we can add a rule to skip the script if we know a little more about it [02:21] Riddell: great minds think alike.. oh well [02:22] nosrednaekim: although there are other programmes to be ported if you feel the urge [02:22] Keybuk: second.. let me gather enough info... [02:22] or we can add decnet support to the script [02:22] Riddell: ok,like what? I really only know python [02:22] Keybuk: dnet-common or dnet-progs use /etc/default/decnet. [02:23] Keybuk: in that file there is: DNET_INTERFACES="" [02:23] nosrednaekim: ltsp-manager for example https://wiki.kubuntu.org/EdubuntuKDE [02:23] if empty .. decnet won't run [02:23] fabbione: oh, it's a software thing and not a kernel thing? [02:23] all = get all interfaces in decnet mode/mac [02:23] nope.. it's all userland.. well the part that interest us at least [02:23] or a list of iface/ifaces [02:23] so you can do decnet on any ethernet card? [02:23] yes [02:24] it's enough you can change the mac address [02:24] i am no decnet expert.. really. what i found was by mistake [02:24] i thought it was worth mentioning it [02:24] I'll raise it upstream :) === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-76-113.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:24] there might be other protocols doing stuff like this [02:24] yup.. fair enough.. [02:25] best fix would be to identify the cards participating in decnet by some other means than their mac address [02:26] well you have that config file [02:26] and the initscript for decnet to look at [02:26] that config file takes interface names [02:26] which aren't stable unless you have this config file [02:26] right... [02:26] which would change the names assigned by that config file [02:26] chicken [02:26] egg [02:26] cluck [02:26] bzzzt [02:26] no.. they solved that problem a while ago [02:26] Riddell: I was also thinking about adding a wattmeter to guidance-power-manager [02:26] /. for it [02:26] hmm [02:26] :) [02:27] you use decnet? [02:27] not yet.. i installed the packages to do some testing [02:27] unless I'm mistaken here (tracking workflow) [02:27] this will work just fine [02:27] 1) kernel adds network interface [02:27] 2) udev renames it according to its hardware mac address [02:28] 3) decnet picks up interface from DNET_INTERFACES according to its udev-fixed name [02:28] yes... [02:28] 4) decnet changes mac address [02:28] udev won't change the name again, because it's already set [02:28] that's what the NAME!="?*" thing is for [02:28] 5) network manager takes down the interface and reset it... [02:28] ooh, ooh, debmake is up for demotion since dmapi stopped using it [02:28] fabbione: network manager only downs the interface [02:28] nosrednaekim: interesting idea, although I do wonder if the best place for it is ksysguard [02:28] *clicketyclick* [02:28] it doesn't pull out the card [02:28] 6) udev picks an up/down and rename it [02:28] nosrednaekim: but I'm sure if you did that we'd include it [02:28] cjwatson: Yay! === zerbero__2 [n=jga@pd9e62708.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:29] no, udev picks up hardware insertion/removal [02:29] not interface config changes [02:29] that's HAL-land [02:29] Keybuk: well something is renaming it and once i cleaned the 70*.rule i got my eth0 back [02:29] you'd have a suspend/resume issue, since the hardware does get removed and re-inserted [02:29] [ 51.927759] skge eth0: addr 00:13:d4:85:0f:a4 [02:29] [ 90.967360] skge eth1: enabling interface [02:29] notice this in dmesg [02:30] 39 seconds in between [02:30] this is a clean boot [02:30] but after the resume, the card would have its hardware mac again, so you'd need to reapply dnet again [02:30] sure [02:30] it'll get renamed to a persistent name [02:30] that just means that last time you booted, some other card had eth0 [02:30] Riddell: it only works on very new machines which have acpi 2, but I have the python framework which prints out the readings to the command line. If you are interested [02:30] so that card is "eth1", and should be referred to as such in DNET_INTERFACES [02:30] it won't get renamed after dnet tarts [02:30] in the rule file I had eth0 with the decnet mac address [02:30] and eth1 with the real address [02:30] rule file? [02:30] oh [02:30] the 70-generated... === johanbr [n=j@blk-224-156-151.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:31] that probably *is* a postinst bug [02:31] in that the postinst ran while you were using decnet, and seeded the initial copy of the file [02:31] oooooo... [02:31] that's just a temporary hack anyway [02:31] yeps.. ok.. then we are at the same page [02:31] I meant to copy iftab in, and let the others fix at reboot time [02:31] ok.because i had iftab.. and it was ignored [02:31] but didn't get around to fully testing the perl, so went with the hack for now [02:31] ok.. [02:31] fair enough [02:32] at the next update i will see how it explodes :) [02:32] the actual proper udev rule stuff shouldn't break [02:32]