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[03:43] <PanzerMKZ_> yo
[04:12] <PanzerMKZ_> so might someone help me with the main diff between server and desktop kernel?
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[04:31] <Pumpernickel> Multi-tasking latency vs. batch-oriented settings.
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[04:39] <PanzerMKZ_> ok
[04:40] <PanzerMKZ_> so which is which then
[04:40] <PanzerMKZ_> ?
[04:42] <Pumpernickel> The one for the desktop, where you generally want multi-tasking and visual responsiveness, is the one optimized for latency.
[04:43] <PanzerMKZ_> oh ok
[04:43] <Pumpernickel> The one for the server, where you generally have 'jobs' that you run in 'batches', is the one optimized for that.
[04:43] <PanzerMKZ_> thanks
[04:43] <PanzerMKZ_> but still good on smp yes?
[04:43] <Pumpernickel> They'll both work on smp systems.
[04:44] <PanzerMKZ_> ok
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[10:20] <Paul_UK> hey all, has anyone got working ubuntu-server and ltsp?
[10:21] <shawarma> All our ltsp experts hang out in #edubuntu
[10:21] <Paul_UK> thanks
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[10:29] <qiyong> how to know what sasl implementation the postfix is using?
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[11:35] <dsdg> currently i am doing a restart of mysql and apache every morning at 5am, and it works but isnt there a better way?
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[12:49] <Stonekeepe1> Hi! I'm getting real problems installing server 6.06.1 on an Intel server. Firstly I had the dreaded "mp-bios bug 8254 timer not connected to io-apic" error. I got rid of that by adding "noapic no lapic" to the boot params, however, it's just hanging the same minus the error now. Any ideas?
[12:49] <Stonekeepe1> *nolapic   not   no lapic
[12:59] <ivoks> mmconf=off
[12:59] <ivoks> or...
[12:59] <ivoks> pci=nommconf
[01:00] <ivoks> right, pci=nommconf
[01:06] <Stonekeepe1> pci=nommconf?
[01:06] <Stonekeepe1> never heard that one
[01:08] <ivoks> hehe
[01:09] <ivoks> try it, without nolapic and noapic
[01:09] <Stonekeepe1> tried both
[01:09] <Stonekeepe1> nommconf hangs too :(
[01:09] <ivoks> hm
[01:09] <Stonekeepe1> this is insane. I just *cannot* get it to boot with Ubuntu
[01:09] <ivoks> what MB is that?
[01:10] <Stonekeepe1> It's an old intel SMP mainboard
[01:10] <ivoks> chipset?
[01:10] <Stonekeepe1> i'm trying to find out how to determin the model
[01:11] <Stonekeepe1> i wish i knew. You think trying to boot the desktop version may work, then get chipset from that?
[01:11] <ivoks> did you tri nocpi (this would disable SMP, but worth a try)
[01:11] <ivoks> s/tri/try
[01:11] <ivoks> noacpi
[01:12] <Stonekeepe1> on it's own?
[01:12] <ivoks> yes
[01:12] <Stonekeepe1> will try now
[01:12] <Stonekeepe1> I read that older SMP boards have a nsty bug in them
[01:13] <Stonekeepe1> noacpi on it's own doesn't work either
[01:14] <ivoks> try disabling ioapic in bios
[01:15] <Stonekeepe1> it's not an option in the bios :(
[01:15] <Stonekeepe1> recovery mode shoots through!
[01:16] <ivoks> phone
[01:16] <Stonekeepe1> Hangs on : "Begin: Witing for root file system...."
[01:19] <ivoks> that's ok :)
[01:20] <ivoks> but it booted, right?
[01:20] <ivoks> then, try booting regular kernel, and just remove quiest and splash
[01:23] <ivoks> it should stop on the same place as 'rescue' mode
[01:24] <ivoks> and that would means that everything is OK with acpi/apic/mmconf, problem is root device :)
[01:24] <ivoks> s/means/mean
[01:25] <Stonekeepe1> will try! :D
[01:26] <ivoks> in grub, root points to what device? root=?
[01:27] <Stonekeepe1> on the install cd?
[01:27] <ivoks> is this install CD or you allready installed?
[01:28] <Stonekeepe1> you are entirely right pal! thanks!
[01:28] <Stonekeepe1> install cd
[01:28] <ivoks> oh... :/
[01:28] <Stonekeepe1> i think the raid is broken
[01:28] <ivoks> root on install CD is RAM
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[01:28] <Stonekeepe1> yeah, it's the harddisks
[01:29] <Stonekeepe1> hey man, thanks for your time
[01:29] <ivoks> np
[01:30] <ivoks> i'm not sure problem is with disks
[01:30] <ivoks> if installer doesn't boot at all
[01:31] <Stonekeepe1> it hangs on waiting for root filesystem
[01:31] <Stonekeepe1> ...
[01:32] <ivoks> right... that's not good
[01:32] <ivoks> you have 6.06.1 server iso?
[01:32] <Stonekeepe1> yeah
[01:32] <ivoks> and you've burned it on CDROM like an iso, right?
[01:32] <Stonekeepe1> yeah, i works for other hardware
[01:33] <ivoks> hm
[01:33] <ivoks> and you have quiet splash in grub, as an options?
[01:33] <ivoks> hey!
[01:33] <ivoks> you have grub?!
[01:34] <ivoks> or is it isolinux?
[01:34] <ivoks> (just making sure you aren't booting from disks :)
[01:36] <Stonekeepe1> yeah
[01:36] <Stonekeepe1> grub
[01:37] <ivoks> grub is not boot loader on install CD
[01:37] <Stonekeepe1> no no :) disks are formatted :D
[01:37] <Stonekeepe1> um..................
[01:37] <Stonekeepe1> o.O
[01:37] <Stonekeepe1> hang on, I'm going mad... yeah, it's booting off HD
[01:37] <Stonekeepe1> sorry!
[01:37] <ivoks> when you boot, do you get ubuntu logo?
[01:37] <ivoks> :)
[01:37] <Stonekeepe1> lol
[01:37] <Stonekeepe1> I'm going mad
[01:38] <Stonekeepe1> yeah, it's installed on HD, reboot then hangs on waiting for root FS
[01:38] <Stonekeepe1> so it's the disks right?
[01:38] <ivoks> ok, then we will fix it
[01:38] <ivoks> what does root= says? (in grub)
[01:39] <Stonekeepe1> ok, will reboot. These mainboards take ages to reboot
[01:39] <Stonekeepe1> it's /dev/cp/rd00010 or something
[01:39] <ivoks> um..? :)
[01:39] <Stonekeepe1> thing is, the raid bios magically made a raid 1 from 3 disks o.O 
[01:40] <Stonekeepe1> 3x34 gig disks and it gives 50G raid 1
[01:40] <Stonekeepe1> sounds dodgy to me
[01:40] <Stonekeepe1> (nearly there)
[01:40] <Stonekeepe1> here we go:
[01:41] <Stonekeepe1> root=/dev/rd/c0d0p1
[01:41] <ivoks> rd?
[01:41] <Stonekeepe1> however, there is a "ro" option o.O
[01:41] <ivoks> hm...
[01:41] <ivoks> that's ok
[01:41] <Stonekeepe1> it's a mylex raid
[01:42] <ivoks> did you install special modules for it?
[01:42] <Stonekeepe1> shall i take one disk out, get a standard raid 1, format from bios then reinstall?
[01:42] <Stonekeepe1> no
[01:42] <ivoks> just let it boot...
[01:42] <ivoks> when it stops, wait...
[01:42] <ivoks> it will eventualy give up and give you a shell
[01:42] <Stonekeepe1> yes ok
[01:42] <Stonekeepe1> booting now
[01:43] <Stonekeepe1> btw, whilst it's booting, I have some other servers with a 3rd party module. How can i insert that at install time on 6.06?
[01:43] <Stonekeepe1> in feisty they have the new "3rd party driver" option, buit not 6.06
[01:43] <ivoks> :)
[01:43] <ivoks> alt+f2
[01:44] <Stonekeepe1> insmod then?
[01:44] <ivoks> welll
[01:44] <ivoks> cp it to /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/
[01:44] <ivoks> depmod
[01:44] <ivoks> modprobe it
[01:44] <ivoks> that way it will end up in initrd
[01:44] <Stonekeepe1> alt-f2 at which point?
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[01:44] <Stonekeepe1> language select?
[01:45] <ivoks> after it downloads additional commponents from CD
[01:45] <ivoks> when it says that it can't find disks
[01:45] <Stonekeepe1> ah ok, then <back>
[01:45] <Stonekeepe1> and redo that bit?
[01:45] <ivoks> no
[01:46] <ivoks> yes :)
[01:46] <ivoks> so... yes is my finall answer :)
[01:46] <ivoks> did you change partition table with ubuntu installer while installing on this server?
[01:47] <ivoks> if yes, there is some strange thing with mylex
[01:47] <ivoks> You have to reboot after altering the partition table, if you have any partitions on that drive mounted.
[01:47] <ivoks> http://linuxmafia.com/faq/VALinux-kb/hardware-raid-partitioning.html
[01:48] <Stonekeepe1> they weren't mounted, unless the installer does?
[01:48] <Stonekeepe1> it's booted
[01:49] <ivoks> ok, so you've got the shell?
[01:49] <ivoks> go in /etc/rd
[01:49] <ivoks> and checkout what you have there
[01:50] <Stonekeepe1> will do
[01:50] <Stonekeepe1> rd?
[01:50] <Stonekeepe1> rd.0 ?
[01:50] <Stonekeepe1> rd.3?
[01:50] <Stonekeepe1> omg
[01:50] <Stonekeepe1> there isn't even init.d
[01:50] <Stonekeepe1> ah, we're not on the root partition
[01:51] <ivoks> sorry, by bad
[01:51] <ivoks> my bad
[01:51] <Stonekeepe1> ok
[01:51] <ivoks>  /dev/rd
[01:51] <Stonekeepe1> i see the issue
[01:51] <Stonekeepe1> yeah, the partition doesn't exist
[01:51] <Stonekeepe1> omg /dev/rd doesn't exist!
[01:51] <ivoks> beh...
[01:52] <Stonekeepe1> mylex driver not installed?
[01:52] <Stonekeepe1> yet it installs...
[01:52] <ivoks> what's the name of that module/driver?
[01:53] <Stonekeepe1> not sure.. let me see
[01:54] <ivoks> dac960
[01:54] <Stonekeepe1> yeah it is
[01:55] <Stonekeepe1> accelaraid 352
[01:57] <ivoks> i don't know the name of the module
[01:57] <ivoks> :/
[01:58] <Stonekeepe1> I'm sure DAC960 messages come up
[01:59] <ivoks> yeah, i know, but we need to find out name of the driver
[02:00] <ivoks> ah...
[02:00] <ivoks> found it
[02:00] <Stonekeepe1> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=355912
[02:00] <ivoks> try modprobe DAC960
[02:01] <Stonekeepe1> module not found
[02:01] <ivoks> hehe nice :)
[02:01] <ivoks> go to /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/block
[02:01] <ivoks> is there anything?
[02:02] <ivoks> there should be DAC960.ko
[02:02] <ivoks> if not, we can fix this (but that includes reinstall)
[02:02] <Stonekeepe1> no
[02:02] <Stonekeepe1> there are 2 mods in that dir: 
[02:02] <ivoks> or... you can do this...
[02:02] <Stonekeepe1> cciss cpqarray
[02:02] <ivoks> boot installation 
[02:03] <Stonekeepe1> i got the install cd in drive now
[02:03] <ivoks> and go with it all the way till partitioning
[02:03] <Stonekeepe1> ok
[02:03] <ivoks> when it comes to partitioning - stop
[02:04] <Stonekeepe1> ok
[02:04] <Stonekeepe1> do you think that 3disk raid 1 is bad?
[02:04] <Stonekeepe1> because i may as well sort that out first
[02:04] <ivoks> then you'll have to resintall it :)
[02:04] <ivoks> but, if you want something else, do it
[02:05] <Stonekeepe1> i will reinstall
[02:06] <Stonekeepe1> ok, what do i do when i get to partitioning?
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[02:09] <ivoks> continue with partitioning :)
[02:09] <ivoks> since you are doing reinstall :)
[02:09] <ivoks> if i disapear in the meantime, check out http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2754170#post2754170
[02:11] <Stonekeepe1> hay, thanks for your time
[02:11] <Stonekeepe1> i'm just ensuring that the raid configuration is totally correct before i continue
[02:12] <Stonekeepe1> bug in installer?
[02:12] <ivoks> well, it can be called as a bug :)
[02:12] <ivoks> one more thing... if you have /boot on separate partition, *mount* it too, before doing chroot
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[02:13] <Stonekeepe1> sure
[02:13] <Stonekeepe1> thanks man, you're a life saver
[02:14] <ivoks> np
[02:14] <ivoks> with next kernel update, you shouldn't expirience any problems, since initrd would include DAC960
[02:15] <Stonekeepe1> doesn't updates d/l new initrds?
[02:15] <ivoks> no, it generates it
[02:15] <ivoks> with update-initrd -u
[02:16] <ivoks> this way every machine can have its own initrd
[02:16] <Stonekeepe1> right ok
[02:16] <Stonekeepe1> I was just thinking about the other servers i have to do with the custom module
[02:17] <Stonekeepe1> i thought kernel upgrades would kill the module because of kernel module magic number
[02:17] <ivoks> if new kernel doesn't have module you need, then you'll have to build it for it
[02:18] <Stonekeepe1> yeah, on suse it used to do kernel updates like normal package updates
[02:19] <Stonekeepe1> really annoying - am glad ubuntu server holds kernel updates back
[02:20] <Stonekeepe1> should i report this bug?
[02:20] <ivoks> about dac?
[02:20] <Stonekeepe1> yeah
[02:20] <ivoks> wouldn't hurt, yes
[02:21] <Stonekeepe1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/31035
[02:23] <Stonekeepe1> hey ivoks, seriously, thanks for your time on this
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[02:23] <ivoks> sure... ok :)
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[02:47] <Stonekeepe1> omg
[02:47] <Stonekeepe1> i dont have /etc/initramfs-tools
[02:47] <ivoks> you didn't chroot
[02:48] <Stonekeepe1> i did!
[02:48] <ivoks> oh.
[02:48] <ivoks> it's /etc/mkinitramfs on 6.06
[02:48] <Stonekeepe1> oh :)
[02:48] <Stonekeepe1> few
[02:48] <Stonekeepe1> phew
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[03:01] <ivoks> any luck? :)
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[03:24] <Stonekeepe1> yeah!!!! THANKS!!!!
[03:24] <Stonekeepe1> it's doing background initialisation now
[03:24] <Stonekeepe1> i never really understood what that was
[03:25] <Stonekeepe1> i've got a conclusive howto here now
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[03:45] <ivoks> great
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[05:18] <ivoks> hi
[05:21] <ivoks> shawarma: need help with ubuntu-server-tasks?
[05:21] <shawarma> ivoks: Input is always welcome.
[05:21] <ivoks> i would like to work on mail part
[05:23] <ivoks> or something like smb+afp+ftp
[05:25] <Panzer_> afp?
[05:26] <shawarma> ivoks: That would be great.
[05:27] <ivoks> Panzer_: yeah, for macs
[05:27] <Panzer_> ok so that is the mac file server service then?
[05:28] <ivoks> yes
[05:28] <ivoks> for macs < osx
[05:28] <ivoks> but is also great for osx
[05:30] <ivoks> but i doubt netatalk would get accepted in main :)
[05:31] <ivoks> since it is a technology that is passing away :/
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[05:33] <shawarma> ivoks: I just took over the spec today, I think. Last time I read it was at UDS in Paris, so it's been a while. AFAIR it's just tasks. No configuration or anything like that. 
[05:34] <ivoks> :)
[05:34] <shawarma> ivoks: I'm somewhat doubtful of the usefulnes, actually, but people seem to like it.
[05:34] <ivoks> ok
[05:35] <ivoks> i'm planing to offer a product, based on ubuntu, light server without fancy stuff
[05:35] <shawarma> It basically just boils down to a set of packages that someone has said are good to perform certain tasks. In order to actually get them to do said tasks, you have to configure them yourself.
[05:35] <ivoks> so, whatever comes out of it, i would be more than happy to bring ti back into ubuntu
[05:35] <Panzer_> for me I am new to linux and I picked up ubuntu server first.
[05:36] <shawarma> Panzer_: Yes? Did you find the DNS or LAMP server tasks useful?
[05:36] <ivoks> we have dns stuff? :))
[05:36] <shawarma> Those are the two tasks we have now.
[05:36] <shawarma> bind9 ftw.
[05:36] <ivoks> i didn't install non-dapper server yet :)
[05:37] <shawarma> Dapper had the LAMP install option on the boot screnn, right?
[05:37] <ivoks> yes
[05:39] <Panzer_> well I have not a lamp server up yet
[05:39] <Panzer_> mostly it is my dapper file server
[05:39] <Panzer_> smb
[05:40] <shawarma> Ok.
[05:40] <Panzer_> it forces me to use the command line
[05:41] <shawarma> It does.
[05:41] <ivoks> and that's a very good thing
[05:41] <Panzer_> oh yea
[05:41] <shawarma> I'm working on a project to make at least file/print services more accessible.
[05:41] <ivoks> shawarma: trough another client?
[05:41] <shawarma> (Think web interfaces)
[05:41] <Panzer_> well for me once someone showed me what was going on it was easy
[05:42] <ivoks> it would be great to have a client-server app
[05:42] <shawarma> ivoks: Ah, no, I meant configuration of them.
[05:42] <ivoks> i see
[05:42] <ivoks> well, that's what i'm talking about, client GUI app to conect to server
[05:42] <ivoks> just for configuration
[05:43] <ivoks> web based is also great... i just prefere gui app out of the server :)
[05:43] <shawarma> ivoks: Oh, we're not going to be putting x libraries or gtk or anything on servers.
[05:43] <shawarma> ivoks: But we want it to be shiny, easy and simple. Hence: web.
[05:44] <ivoks> server:port -> client:app
[05:44] <ivoks> so, another ubuntu/windows mashine fires up gui app which configures services on server
[05:44] <shawarma> ivoks: That would be an option, too.
[05:44] <ivoks> no X stuff on server
[05:45] <shawarma> ivoks: The major problem is that we'd have to support all sorts of different clients. Not just Ubuntu ones.
[05:45] <ivoks> right
[05:45] <shawarma> ivoks: And *everyone* can do web.
[05:45] <ivoks> pygtk :)
[05:46] <shawarma> ivoks: pygtk on windows... /me shudders
[05:46] <ivoks> :)
[05:46] <shawarma> ivoks: The advantages of going the web way greatly outweighs the downsides.
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[05:47] <ivoks> well, that's fine with me :)
[05:48] <ivoks> if you need second pair of hands on that project, i'm interested in helping
[05:49] <ivoks> what do you plan to integrate in it?
[05:50] <shawarma> ivoks: It's likely going to be based on eBox.
[05:50] <shawarma> ivoks: http://www.ebox-platform.com/
[05:50] <ivoks> taking a look...
[05:50] <shawarma> It's... /me shudders... perl.
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[05:51] <ivoks> doh... you can't have everything :)
[05:53] <ivoks> lots of features...
[05:53] <ivoks> hm, but i think it could use some UI love
[05:55] <ivoks> i like the choosen software
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[06:04] <ph1zzle> hey guys, I am trying to find mod_auth_imap or mod_auth_mysql for apache2 on ubuntu feisty server and so far I have not seen it in packages.ubuntu.com or anywhere else I have looked
[06:05] <ivoks> libapache2-mod-auth-mysql
[06:05] <shawarma> libapache2-mod-auth-mysql
[06:05] <shawarma> heh..
[06:06] <shawarma> Don't know about imap.
[06:06] <ivoks> auth over imap?
[06:06] <ivoks> some people have lots of free time :)
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[06:21] <Panzer_> what is only 1100 
[06:21] <Panzer_> you can't call it a day now
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[08:32] <FlyingSquirrel32> When i try to start Sendmail (sudo /etc/init.d/sendmail start), it just hangs. no errors. Where can I find logs on what's going wrong.
[08:35] <FlyingSquirrel32> that's a question ^   :)
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[08:42] <leonel> FlyingSquirrel32: check the dns config   or your gateway 
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[08:53] <kronus> hi
[08:53] <kronus> i installed ubuntu-server on a box, and it didn't autoconfigure eth0
[08:53] <kronus> when the box starts up, ifconfig just shows lo
[08:54] <kronus> how do I get it to do a DHCP request on startup?
[08:55] <mralphabet> kronus: look at /etc/network/interfaces
[08:55] <kronus> bash sez: not a directory
[08:55] <kronus> that is...because it is a file?
[08:55] <kronus> in any case, it's empty
[08:56] <kronus> oh wait, found it
[08:56] <kronus> what should I do here?
[08:58] <mralphabet> kronus: does it have anything for eth0?
[08:58] <kronus> no
[08:59] <kronus> adding 'iface eth0 inet dhcp' shoudl do it?
[09:02] <mralphabet> think so
[09:02] <kronus> nope, no interface
[09:03] <mralphabet> dmesg | grep eth
[09:04] <kronus> shows up
[09:04] <kronus> if I do dhclient eth0, it comes up fine
[09:04] <mralphabet> that should show something like
[09:04] <mralphabet> [   43.257603]  eth0: RealTek RTL8139 at 0xf8846800, 00:11:2f:08:54:0c, IRQ 20
[09:04] <kronus> yep
[09:04] <mralphabet> [   43.257606]  eth0:  Identified 8139 chip type 'RTL-8101'
[09:04] <mralphabet> [   52.481558]  eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x45E1
[09:04] <kronus> only 1 line, though
[09:05] <mralphabet> what kind of card?
[09:05] <kronus> is multiline paste fine?
=== kronus hopes so
[09:06] <kronus> [   33.345935]  e100: eth0: e100_probe: addr 0x82100000, irq 9, MAC addr 00:90:27:AA:AE:7F
[09:06] <kronus> [  247.028228]  ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready
[09:06] <kronus> [  247.038096]  e100: eth0: e100_watchdog: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex
[09:06] <kronus> [  247.058060]  ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth0: link becomes ready
[09:06] <kronus> [  257.426224]  eth0: no IPv6 routers present
[09:07] <mralphabet> huh
[09:07] <kronus> card is a no-name
[09:07] <kronus> it works fine, if i connect a keyboard and run sudo dhclient eth0
[09:07] <mralphabet> interesting
[09:07] <kronus> i just want it to do that when it starts up
[09:07] <kronus> since it's going to be a headless box
[09:07] <mralphabet> as a short term fix you could put that in rc.local
[09:08] <kronus> the one in /etc or in /etc/init.d
[09:08] <mralphabet> but that's not the right answer for you, I just don't know the right answer
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[09:09] <kronus> well, thanks anyway
[09:09] <mralphabet> etc
[09:09] <kronus> i'll try that
[09:09] <mralphabet> etc/init.d/rc.local is for things that get restarted (odd services or whatever)
[09:10] <mralphabet> I take that back
[09:10] <kronus> rc.local gets run at root, right?
[09:10] <kronus> as*
[09:10] <kronus> seems to have worked
[09:10] <mralphabet> etc/init.d/rc.local processes etc/rc.local
[09:10] <mralphabet> yes
[09:11] <kronus> thanks very much :D
[09:11] <mralphabet> again, not the right answer, you will want to continue looking for the right way to do it
[09:11] <kronus> it's probably an /etc/network/interfaces issue
[09:11] <kronus> this file looks a lot more fleshed out than mine : http://david.decotigny.free.fr/libre/ibook2-debian/etc/network/interfaces
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[09:12] <mralphabet> heh, a bit
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