[12:43] <Merchelo> hmm, i wouldn't recommend it
[12:47] <bkw> Is it possible to with Xubuntu install all the educational packages such as games for kids etc.. from edubuntu without too mych trouble?
[12:50] <Eagle_101> bkw: should not be too hard
[12:51] <bkw> the "edubuntu-desktop" will prolly get the whole desktop including wm and a lot more for you, but that's not what I want.
[01:01] <Eagle_101> bkw: right, so you can just use apt-get install your app here
[01:01] <Merchelo> no
[01:02] <Merchelo> use synaptic package manager, or aptitude
[01:02] <Eagle_101> those are nicer :)
[01:07] <wonderl00t> having troubles getting crossover to play nice with xubuntu.  applications run fine until i have to browse the"drive c" and then they cant see the files. any ideas on this guys??
[01:56] <W8TAH> i installed a couple of the ubuntu-studio meta packages the other day -- a couple of them i no longer need -- how can i uninstall the metapackages and all it dragged in with it?
[02:35] <Jester45> ok... if i wanted to replace my /home partition all i would need to do is backup all the data there then mount a new parition there and it will work fine?] 
[02:51] <wonderl00t> does anybodu know why xfce/thunar do not play nice with my crossover pro?
[04:19] <peepsalot> where are font settings in xfce?
[04:28] <peepsalot> nevermind
[04:30] <evilxhwnd> Hello, does anyone know why my machine resumes from suspend to ram as soon as it enters it?
[04:47] <floedel> heya
[06:03] <Jester45> !xfs
[06:03] <ubotu> xfs is a high-performance journaling filesystem originally developped by Silicon Graphics for their IRIX OS. It is now fully supported by Linux so you can install Ubuntu on it if you wish. More info at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFS
[06:03] <Jester45> !jfs
[06:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jfs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:04] <TheSheep> or google ;)
[06:04] <Jester45> would you know if jfs is journaled
[06:05] <TheSheep> no idea, but wikipedia might know
[06:06] <tonyyarusso> I believe it is, offhand
[06:06] <tonyyarusso> wikipedia does know - that I'm sure of
[06:06] <tonyyarusso> Comparison_of_Filesystems, or some such page
[06:06] <Jester45> yea figured irc might be a bit faster
[06:06] <Jester45> its 64bit... darn
[06:07] <Jester45> i didnt think fs would be 32/64 seprated
[06:08] <Jester45> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems good guess or good googleing
[06:09] <tonyyarusso> Memory, actually.
[06:09] <TheSheep> and RandomWikipediaBrowsing
[06:10] <TheSheep> gets you into scary pages
[06:10] <tonyyarusso> indeed
[06:10] <TheSheep> Freud would love it, I suppose
[06:12] <Jester45> what would you guys sugest for a low cpu using fs thats journaled and good for mid size files
[06:12] <TheSheep> Jester45: ext3
[06:12] <Jester45> mid to small
[06:15] <TheSheep> Jester45: firefox would use it all anyways ;)
[06:15] <Jester45> no*
[06:15] <TheSheep> Jester45: why would swap give you speed up?
[06:15] <Jester45> figured it might give a bit
[06:16] <TheSheep> Jester45: how?
[06:16] <Jester45> mem manager putting more stuff there that is unused
[06:16] <TheSheep> Jester45: it won't start putting things into swap until it runs out of physical memory
[06:16] <TheSheep> Jester45: no you don't
[06:17] <Jester45> TheSheep: yea but when it would it that the new program opening would take longer even if one of the program open has been used in 3 weeks
[06:17] <TheSheep> Jester45: how much ram do you have?
[06:18] <Jester45> 2gb
[06:18] <TheSheep> Jester45: how much of it is actually used by your applications?
[06:18] <TheSheep> Jester45: I have 512MB and had the swap used only twice
[06:18] <Jester45> right now... ~1700mb
[06:18] <TheSheep> omg
[06:18] <Jester45> hehe
[06:19] <Jester45> thos java apps are buggers
[06:19] <TheSheep> this is sick
[06:19] <TheSheep> Jester45: then again, java vm calculates the mount of ram to use from how much ram you have in total
[06:20] <TheSheep> Jester45: so, had you less ram, these apps would use up less
[06:20] <Jester45> im not sure about that
[06:20] <Jester45> azureus uses alot all the time
[06:20] <TheSheep> Jester45: java has a bad habit of allocating much more ram than the application needs, so that it can garbage-collect rarer
[06:21] <Niriven> How do you all like xubuntu as compared to ubuntu (Well, gnome vs kde), just curiuos.
[06:21] <Jester45> i like the ui better
[06:21] <Jester45> gnome is to basic and kde has to much stuff
[06:22] <TheSheep> Niriven: xubuntu doesn't use kde
[06:22] <Niriven> Does xfce have nifty addins for say, laptop battery, wireless, updates, etc?
[06:22] <Niriven> TheSheep: Oops, gnome vs xfce :)
[06:22] <Jester45> Niriven: yes it does
[06:22] <TheSheep> Niriven: and it's possible to use the gnome's panel applets too
[06:22] <Niriven> Mmm
[06:22] <TheSheep> Niriven: although they are usually memory-hungry
[06:23] <Niriven> Well im doing a base server install, so i suppose i can try it, it has a meta package in apt, xubuntu-desktop
[06:23] <TheSheep> Niriven: servers don't need no gui :)
[06:23] <Niriven> TheSheep: Im donig a server install, which means, i just get the base system and build from there, im building a desktop machine from the server minimal
[06:23] <TheSheep> Niriven: ah, ok :)
[06:23] <Jester45> its better not to have them for better performance, but you mgiht need to use one to set it up if you not good with cli
[06:24] <Niriven> Xfce just scares me because it used to mimic cde
[06:24] <TheSheep> Jester45: every not needed application on a server is an additional  slim chance of a security hole
[06:25] <Niriven> TheSheep: Main reason for this way, is that i can update to gutsy before it does anything else.
[06:25] <Jester45> TheSheep: you can remove after setup
[06:25] <TheSheep> Niriven: cde was a great desktop :)
[06:25] <Niriven> Anyone here got any screenshots? :-0
[06:26] <Jester45> TheSheep: ok im making that swap partition into ext3 and in fstab should i copy the premade one from / but chagne the mountpoint and uuid
[06:26] <Jester45> Niriven: you can customize the desktop a lot
[06:27] <Niriven> Jester: Lots of config files or more customization through interfaceS?
[06:27] <Jester45> http://vidd.homelinux.net:8080/pics/Screenshot.png
[06:28] <TheSheep> Jester45: yes, and you might want to change the fsck-ing settings
[06:28] <Jester45> depends on what you want you can change it with config files or with a ui
[06:28] <TheSheep> Niriven: http://sheep.art.pl/misc/shot.png
[06:28] <Jester45> ^mine is the defualt theme
[06:28] <TheSheep> mine ain't ;)
[06:29] <Niriven> Nice :-0
[06:30] <Jester45> TheSheep:  so ext3  /home   defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[06:30] <Jester45> would work fine
[06:30] <TheSheep> Jester45: 1 1 would be probably saner
[06:30] <Jester45> k
[06:31] <TheSheep> Jester45: or 0 0 if you don't want it checked
[06:31] <Jester45> and this auto mounted
[06:31] <TheSheep> Jester45: yes
[06:31] <Jester45> wich is faster
[06:31] <TheSheep> Jester45: add 'noauto' if you don't want it to be automounted
[06:31] <Jester45> or.. how long does checking take
[06:31] <TheSheep> Jester45: no, mounting is same speed whether it's at startup or on demand
[06:32] <Jester45> no the 0 0 and 1 1
[06:32] <TheSheep> Jester45: a short while, after a hard reboot or once in 35 mounts
[06:32] <Jester45> o
[06:33] <Jester45> i remeber that, made me much angry
[06:33] <TheSheep> Jester45: better that than suddenly discover your disk is corrupted
[06:33] <Jester45> be only my /home
[06:34] <Jester45> so, how do i go about replacing /home just move the old mount and copy it back?
[06:35] <TheSheep> yes, if you don't care about permissions and file ownership
[06:36] <Niriven> anyone here familer with dpkg?
[06:36] <Jester45> well im the only user so... it should be all mine
[06:36] <TheSheep> if you do, use cp -p for copying
[06:36] <TheSheep> !ask | Niriven
[06:36] <ubotu> Niriven: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[06:37] <Niriven> Alright well, if something in dpkg --get-selections is marked as deinstall, whats that mean?
[06:38] <TheSheep> Niriven: that it will be uninstalled (or already is)
[06:38] <Niriven> oh, it keeps logs of previously uninstalled stuff?
[06:39] <TheSheep> Niriven: yes, you can see it in /var/lib/dpkg/status
[06:39] <Jester45> sudo cp -p /home /home_old
[06:39] <Jester45> cp: omitting directory `/home'
[06:39] <Jester45> TheSheep: how do i fix that one
[06:40] <TheSheep> Jester45: you want to do:  mv /home /home_old; mount -a; cp -rp /home_old/* /home/
[06:41] <Niriven> Doh, gutsy xubuntu-desktop is broken.
[06:41] <TheSheep> Niriven: no wonder, it's pretty young still
[06:41] <TheSheep> Niriven: not even the first alpha yet
[06:42] <Jester45> alpha right?
[06:42] <Jester45> or not
[06:42] <Jester45> TheSheep: HELP
[06:43] <TheSheep> it works fine (at least for me) if you upgrade from feisty and leave the feisty repos
[06:43] <Jester45> TheSheep: i moved home to home_old
[06:43] <Jester45> but now thunar will not open becuase (maybe) /home isnt there but mount cant mount becuase there is no /home
[06:43] <TheSheep> mkdir /home
[06:44] <Myrtti> mv wasn't a good idea
[06:44] <Myrtti> cp -R would've been
[06:44] <TheSheep> Myrtti: it was a good idea -- all already opened files are still opened
[06:45] <TheSheep> Myrtti: but where would you mount the new home then?
[06:45] <TheSheep> Myrtti: over the old one?
[06:47] <Jester45> ok mount will not mount
[06:47] <Jester45> should the entry be
[06:48] <Jester45> "filesystem" "mountpoint" "type" "options" "dump" "pass"
[06:48] <Jester45> but i have
[06:48] <Jester45> ext3 /home defaults 0 0
[06:49] <Jester45> o missing the "type" what should it be?
[06:49] <TheSheep> no
[06:49] <TheSheep> the first should be disk
[06:49] <TheSheep> "device" "filesystem" "mountpoint" "type" "options" "dump" "pass"
[06:50] <Myrtti> *grumble* GPRS
[06:50] <TheSheep> wrong, sorry
[06:50] <Jester45> can i check what the dev is from cli
[06:50] <Jester45> i know its hda but not the partiton
[06:51] <TheSheep> Jester45: first ois the device, then mount point, then filesystem, options, etc.
[06:51] <TheSheep> Jester45: fdsik -l
[06:51] <TheSheep> fdisk -l;
[06:54] <Jester45> sterling is having problems
[06:54] <Jester45> so how do i copy /home_old over /home
[06:55] <Jester45> cp -rp
[06:58] <TheSheep> Jester45: you have /home mounted?
[06:59] <Jester45> yea
[06:59] <TheSheep> cp -rp /home_old/* /home/
[06:59] <TheSheep> as root
[07:00] <Jester45> k its done
[07:00] <Jester45> thanks
[07:02] <Jester45> now... i got a icon for the volume do you know how to remove that
[07:03] <TheSheep> Jester45: mount it
[07:03] <Jester45> it is
[07:04] <TheSheep> then it shoudn't show up
[07:04] <TheSheep> shouldn't
[07:04] <TheSheep> Jester45: what does 'mount' say?
[07:04] <Jester45> brb
[07:32] <Adross> i am trying to vnc into another network computer and start an xfce session. For some reason, logging in only yields a gray screen and an x cursor. Thoughts?
[07:34] <TheSheep> Adross: create an .xsession file and put 'xfce4-session' in it
[07:37] <Adross> in ~?
[07:38] <Adross> GRR, still a gray screen
[07:40] <TheSheep> Adross: seems like you need to check the documentation for the vnc server
[07:40] <Adross> been doing it all day, the most relevant thing i found was it was a bug on ubuntu's vnc
[07:51] <TheSheep> Adross: there should be a place somewhere to specify what to run when you connect
[08:06] <BFTD> Hi all, I got a laptop and I'm installing Xubuntu on it, but its using only the center of the screen...is this just during the install?
[08:06] <BFTD> also it detected my wireless card, but would'nt connect to my router
[08:19] <BFTD> so anyone?
[08:25] <Myrtti> BFTD: try wifiradar
[08:26] <Myrtti> BFTD: which laptop do you have?
[08:26] <BFTD> Inspiron 1100
[08:28] <Myrtti> I had similar problems with my FS Lifebook E 6624
[08:28] <Myrtti> usplash was in a small square in the middle
[08:28] <Myrtti> but once gdm started, it was fullscreen
[08:29] <bulltitan> wow after 2 online upgrades xubuntu feisty works like a charm
[08:29] <Myrtti> you did the install with desktop or alternative?
[08:29] <bulltitan> i love it
[08:30] <bulltitan> finally after 1 year of waiting i can leave xp with no regrets
[08:32] <BFTD> argh, I have no sound too
[08:32] <bulltitan> maybe u can use this info but my system is really a low spec system actually a laptop presario 1700 intel 600 xubuntu was distro upgraded 2 times with no problems and still going ok
[08:34] <bulltitan> and if anyone can use this info too,.. my sound card shows up like ess allegro 1
[08:37] <bulltitan> ho and if anyone of u have problems compiling the ati driver for match64 tell me i just have some patch to fix it (it is not mine from ubuntu forums to be honest)
[08:39] <bulltitan> gotta go, if you need this solution to get 3d accel just search ati rage m1 in ubuntu forums, i hope this help
[08:39] <bulltitan> tata
[08:45] <BFTD> well this sucks
[08:46] <BFTD> I'm gonna have to find a different OS
[08:49] <TheSheep> BFTD: I recomment VMS :)
[08:49] <BFTD> VMS?
[08:50] <Pumpernickel> bahaha
[08:50] <TheSheep> yeah, no more directories, they are pass
[08:51] <BFTD> eh
[08:51] <BFTD> then how would i use my media player?
[08:51] <TheSheep> BFTD: I doubt VMS has a media player :)
[08:52] <BFTD> !!
[08:52] <BFTD> I was using the 6.10 disc
[08:52] <BFTD> not the 7.04 one
[08:52] <BFTD> stupid me
[08:54] (BFTD/#xubuntu) same problem though
[10:34] <r0bert> lo
[10:34] <r0bert> any1 around having trouble with amarok/kde-progs, too?
[10:35] <r0bert> specifically: i am in trouble loading files/directories containing "umlauts"
[10:35] <r0bert> such as   
[10:36] <r0bert> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/76938
[10:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 76938 in amarok "Amarok fails to load files with non-ascii filenames" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[11:07] <TehRealNexGe1> hi when i try to burn a cd i get the following problem http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x194/TehRealNexGen/screenshot1.png. Could anyone help?
[11:15] <kumamoto> TehRealNexGe1: looks like something else is using the device
[11:15] <r0bert> kumamoto = sherlock holmes
[11:15] <r0bert> <:
[11:15] <TehRealNexGe1> err except the device only has a blank cd in it
[11:16] <TehRealNexGe1> r0bert: lol
[11:18] <kumamoto> just my 2cents and see it before so maybe u case is different
[11:20] <TehRealNexGe1> what happened last time?
[11:29] <kumamoto> I just did the usually ps auxw and found another program accessing the cdrw too and killed and started my faithful k3b
[11:29] <kumamoto> i was one of the gnome thingies
[11:36] <TehRealNexGe1> how do you know if a process is accessing the same device?
[11:55] <kumamoto> TehRealNexGe1: most probably ps aux will help on the CLI
[11:55] <TehRealNexGe1> k
[12:56] <meatballhat> anybody have the an SVG of the Xubuntu banner?  (and yes, I already looked all over the wiki)  :)
[12:57] <meatballhat> s/the/ /g
[01:08] <desmond123> can some1 help me with my sound problem? i don't have sound when i paly a game or a song and there also is no card founded if i use the program for mixer settings
[01:20] <desmond123> my computer can't find my onboard realtek hd audio that is build in with my asus m2v mainboard
[02:35] <Amon-san> hi
[02:35] <Amon-san> what program would i use to list available wireless-lnetworks?
[02:42] <Amon-san> anyone?
[02:42] <aldin> which package contains xubuntu 7.04 wallpaper?
[02:44] <TheSheep> xubuntu-artwork
[02:48] <aldin> TheSheep: nope, in installed files i dont see any .png?
[02:51] <TheSheep> aldin: dpkg -L xubuntu-artwork
[02:52] <aldin> TheSheep: there ya go http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/23418/
[02:53] <TheSheep> aldin: gutsy?
[02:53] <aldin> feisty
[02:54] <aldin> Release:        7.04
[02:54] <aldin> Codename:       feisty
[02:54] <TheSheep> that's weird
[02:55] <TheSheep> aldin: there is also xfce4-artwork, but it shuld only contain the images distributed with xfce by default
[02:55] <aldin> TheSheep: could u find by hand ur wallpaper
[02:55] <aldin> i dont have limti i would download xubuntu-desktop... and would find it
[02:55] <TheSheep> aldin: I don't have it installed
[02:55] <TheSheep> wait
[02:56] <aldin> TheSheep: i will download xubuntu-default-settings
[02:56] <aldin> it mentione GDM themes
[02:59] <aldin> TheSheep: http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/23420/
[03:00] <TheSheep> sheep@ghostwheel:~$ dpkg -S /usr/share/xfce4/backdrops/xubuntu-jmak.png
[03:00] <TheSheep> xubuntu-default-settings: /usr/share/xfce4/backdrops/xubuntu-jmak.png
[03:00] <TheSheep> yup
[03:00] <TheSheep> that's pretty weird
[03:29] <darrend> anyone know why middle-click paste would not be working?  where is the config that controls this?  (to be clear, middle-click IS pasting something, but never what is highlighted)
[03:30] <TheSheep> darrend: if you have the clipboard manager on your panel, right-click it, select 'preferences' and uncheck 'ignore selections'
[04:21] <kumamoto> anyone using any dev apps like bluefish or scite eclipse
[04:28] <Merchelo> I use eclipse
[04:29] <kumamoto> are u able to open a file using url?
[04:30] <Merchelo> within eclipse?
[04:30] <kumamoto> yeah
[04:40] <Merchelo> nope
[04:42] <grazie> kumamoto: I use both scite and bluefish...great
[04:42] <Amon-san> what program would i use to list available wireless-lnetworks?
[04:47] <kumamoto> grazie: would you assist me in getting to use the 'open url' option?
[04:48] <kumamoto> mine crashes bluefish
[04:50] <grazie> kumamoto: I can try....seems ok for me...what url are you trying to open?
[04:53] <kumamoto> grazie: it is a website that is not public it is on a private network
[04:53] <kumamoto> grazie: it is just any url it crashes
[04:53] <kumamoto> ftp httpd smb
[04:53] <kumamoto> nothing works
[04:56] <grazie> kumamoto: I don't think I can help....I'll be away from the keyboard for a while now
[04:58] <darrend> TheSheep: sry, got waylaid for an hour and a half there.  No, the clipboard panel applet is not being used.
[04:58] <grazie> kumamoto: did you read the manual? >> http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/manual/ch05s12.html
[04:59] <kumamoto> oh yeah
[05:00] <kumamoto> first I didn't work at all it ignored it then when I read the manual and did what it said it then it crashed
[05:00] <kumamoto> I know am missing some modules from gnome2-vfs or libgnome2-vfs but can't find the packages to install them
[05:06] <Jester45> dpes bluefish support ftp?
[05:30] <somerville32> :)
[05:31] <Jester45> hi
[05:33] <Pumpernickel> Amon-san: iwlist, or wifi-radar.
[05:37] <somerville32> Giya :)
[05:37] <somerville32> *Hiya
[06:15] <Jester45> how can i test is my audio output is oss or alsa
[06:18] <r0bert> open ur favorite musicplayer and switch output to alsa? <:
[06:18] <r0bert> or oss
[06:19] <Jester45> this is for mpd
[06:21] <Amon-san> Pumpernickel: what is the packet name of iwlist?
[06:22] <somerville32> Jester45: It is most likely ALSA if the card is PCI
[06:22] <Pumpernickel> Amon-san: It should be installed by default.
[06:23] <Jester45> somerville32: thanks
[06:27] <Amon-san> oh, indeed it is, ijust tried it in the comamndline
[06:27] <Amon-san> unfortunately no wlans available in my basement
[07:01] <sigmamu188> how do you config twinview with nvidia i cant set which moniter i want on wich side
[07:01] <sigmamu188> i wont even let me access nvidia-glx
[07:01] <sigmamu188> like it used to
[07:02] <sigmamu188> i just did a fresh install and upgrade to feisty
[07:02] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: nvidia-glx is just a package ... you don't get access to it, you get access to nvidia-settings the application though
[07:03] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: actually .... what do you mean by "access to"?
[07:03] <sigmamu188> it wouldnt let me run the command
[07:03] <sigmamu188> but i trying to run a package
[07:03] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: yeah, nvidia-glx isn't a command, try "sudo nvidia-settings"
[07:03] <sigmamu188> now
[07:03] <sigmamu188> lol
[07:04] <maxamillion> well actually, do "gksudo nvidia-settings" (both will work, but gksudo will apply the permissions for the gui better)
[07:04] <shijirou> hi guys
[07:05] <shijirou> this may sound odd but do any of you know how to display the volume icon on the taskbar?
[07:05] <sigmamu188> ok time to reboot and see if that worked
[07:05] <shijirou> im on a fresh install of xubuntu
[07:05] <sigmamu188> thanks
[07:05] <sigmamu188> brb
[07:06] <maxamillion> shijirou: right click the panel and click "add new item" and scroll down and select "
[07:06] <maxamillion> "volume control"*
[07:06] <shijirou> oh thanks
[07:06] <maxamillion> np
[07:09] <sigmamu188> sweet it workd
[07:10] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: :)
[07:10] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: for the record, you never have to reboot in linux unless you have a kernel update
[07:10] <sigmamu188> maxamillion, was that you helping me
[07:10] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: yeah
[07:10] <sigmamu188> maxamillion, i didnt even look at the name
[07:10] <sigmamu188> lol
[07:10] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: nice
[07:10] <sigmamu188> maxamillion, sometimes when im trying to get somethign done i dont care who has the advice
[07:11] <sigmamu188> maxamillion, nice to have you back in the room dude
[07:11] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: yeah, you only have to restart the X server which can be done a number of ways ... most popular on debian/ubuntu systems is the key combo ctrl+alt+backspace
[07:11] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: yeah, i just moved into a new house this past weekend and i don't have internet yet and AT&T fails at life so it might be up to like 2 weeks or something
[07:11] <sigmamu188> yea
[07:12] <sigmamu188> have you played with ctrl+alt+"+"
[07:12] <sigmamu188> or"-"
[07:12] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: nope
[07:12] <maxamillion> hiya vidd_laptop
[07:12] <sigmamu188> maxamillion: try it
[07:12] <vidd_laptop> hey maxamillion
[07:12] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: didn't do anything
[07:13] <sigmamu188> maxamillion: hold Ctrl+Alt and hit the + a few times
[07:13] <sigmamu188> it zoom's me in and out
[07:13] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: ahhhh, ok ....
[07:13] <sigmamu188> now - to back out
[07:13] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: well, technically i think it is just changing the resolution of the current screen
[07:13] <sigmamu188> maxamillion: that is the weirdest feature i have found so far
[07:14] <sigmamu188> maxamillion: you can use you mouse to scroll around the page that is offscreen
[07:14] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: well xfce has its wonderful features and then a couple that i personally feel are just kept around because they were available in older versions (such as the one you just showed me)
[07:14] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: ahhhh, ok
[07:15] <sigmamu188> well im glad you online. im trying to set up a box that i can sream media to across my network to my other boxes
[07:16] <sigmamu188> without having to download the file to the other computer
[07:17] <vidd_laptop> maxamillion, i just got my mysql to work...and i now have a forum up and running on my site....
[07:18] <vidd_laptop> it works...but there is no content there ...yet
[07:18] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: one step at a time :)
[07:18] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: you should put up a wiki .... i like wikis :)
[07:18] <vidd_laptop> sure...why not?
[07:19] <maxamillion> cool
[07:19] <vidd_laptop> i will soon have a blog up and running too.....
[07:19] <maxamillion> i dunno why, i just think wikis are really cool .... i plan to start hacking around with them eventually
[07:19] <vidd_laptop> do wiki's run off php?
[07:19] <maxamillion> sweet
[07:19] <maxamillion> wikis run off whatever you want .... just get one written in the language you want
[07:19] <maxamillion> php, perl, python, C, etc.
[07:20] <maxamillion> not many are written in C though ...... they seem to stick with interpreted languages for wikis
[07:20] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_wiki_software
[07:21] <vidd_laptop> off to smoke
[07:21] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: for python, i like moinmoin .... for perl, i like twiki and for php ... uhmmm.... tikiwiki
[07:21] <maxamillion> ah ok
[07:31] <sigmamu188> whats the best way to stream media across my network?
[07:31] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: define "media"
[07:31] <sigmamu188> video, music
[07:31] <sigmamu188> if the shit in the ftp folder
[07:31] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: you want to have a server that feeds it and have a client that connects or you just want a remote mount that can be accessed and played from?
[07:31] <maxamillion> !language | sigmamu188
[07:31] <ubotu> sigmamu188: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[07:32] <sigmamu188> sorry
[07:32] <maxamillion> no worries
[07:32] <sigmamu188> server client
[07:32] <maxamillion> hmmm..... that one i am not entirely familiar with to be honest, you might want to ask in a larger channel like "#ubuntu"
[07:32] <sigmamu188> i want to be able to view it on the other computers around the house without having to d/l it from the tower in my room
[07:41] <grazie> sigmamu188: vlc does that well, also there's another good client/server app I'm thinking about, but I can't rememer the name. Might be for audio only though...I'm sure hyper_ch and TheSheep both use it.
[07:44] <grazie> sigmamu188: I was thinking of mpd, but it is for audio only
[08:05] <tidrion> anyone have a link for the flash emulator for PPC linux?
[08:13] <hyper_ch> sigmamu188: you're looking for audio/video?
[08:15] <hyper_ch> sigmamu188: hello?
[08:42] <canas> how i can change settings of keyboard
[08:42] <canas> i have laptop ibm
[08:50] <kali|php> canas, What about Applications->Settings->Keyboard?
[08:50] <cjae> anyone here just using the generic kernels not a custom??
[08:50] <canas> yes
[08:51] <canas> i tried
[08:51] <canas> generic 105 italian
[08:51] <canas> intl
[08:51] <canas> but doesn work
[08:51] <kali|php> cjae, Yep,  2.6.20-16-generic
[08:51] <canas> i unchecked use x conf
[08:51] <cjae> kali|php, ok so your upgrade when well??
[08:52] <cjae> kali|php, this upgrade was just the other day
[08:52] <kali|php> cjae, Possibly there is some flaw in it. But I have few time to investigate currently.
[08:53] <cjae> kali|php, ya mine just froze @ boot time so I had to revert to-15-generic
[08:53] <canas> another question
[08:53] <hyper_ch> canas: maybe you need to restart the x server before it works
[08:54] <canas> only when i started openoff 2.2 wordproc
[08:54] <canas> i have problem with graphics
[08:54] <canas> tell me the command to restart xserver
[08:54] <hyper_ch> canas: hmmm, there are various ways
[08:54] <hyper_ch> canas: you could reboot
[08:54] <kali|php> I had two gui freezes recently after the upgrade. Did you have that, too?
[08:54] <canas> i already reboot
[08:54] <hyper_ch> canas: you could kill the xserver and restart it
[08:55] <hyper_ch> canas: oh ok :)
[08:55] <cjae> kali|php, l also it never asked me to restart the box manually which is the case during a kernel upgrade
[08:55] <kali|php> Actually it *might* have to do with gtk because I updated that, too.
[08:55] <hyper_ch> canas: so it's still not working?
[08:55] <canas> nope
[08:55] <Jester45>   vidd_laptop im back
[08:55] <hyper_ch> cjae: using generic
[08:55] <hyper_ch> canas: what does not work?
[08:55] <kali|php> cjae, I never got a 'please restart' message after a kernel update. :/
[08:56] <canas> -
[08:56] <canas> +
[08:56] <cjae> hyper_ch, yes
[08:56] <hyper_ch> kali|php: I think you get that when you upgrade with synpatic
[08:56] <canas> remake the xorg.conf
[08:56] <canas> which is the command
[08:56] <hyper_ch> cjae: I meant to say I use the generic
[08:56] <canas> to remake
[08:56] <slow-motion> hallo
[08:56] <kali|php> hyper_ch, Nope. I do use synaptic for updates.
[08:56] <hyper_ch> canas: sudo dpkg-reconfigre xserver-xorg
[08:56] <hyper_ch> canas: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:56] <canas> tnx
[08:56] <hyper_ch> kali|php: I do CLI for updates :)
[08:57] <hyper_ch> canas: make first a backup of your existing xorg.conf
[08:57] <cjae> hyper_ch, kali|php it sucks cause they always put the dumb quiet command in so I can't see the boot msg
[08:57] <kali|php> hyper_ch, For updates I like to investigate changelogs and new deps, so updates with gui, single packages with cli. :)
[08:57] <cjae> kali|php, same
[08:58] <hyper_ch> kali|php: well, old kernels stay... if it does not work --> reboot into old one
[08:58] <hyper_ch> cjae: alter your start-up options then it's not quiet
[08:58] <kali|php> hyper_ch, Did you encounter any issues with the current kernel?
[08:58] <hyper_ch> kali|php: nope
[08:58] <Jester45> !info hal
[08:58] <ubotu> hal: Hardware Abstraction Layer. In component main, is optional. Version 0.5.8.1-4ubuntu12 (feisty), package size 543 kB, installed size 1512 kB
[08:59] <hyper_ch> kali|php: but haven't recompiled vmware yet
[08:59] <Jester45> hummm how big is the 2.6.20-16 kernel? file size
[09:00] <hyper_ch> !info kernel
[09:00] <ubotu> Package kernel does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[09:00] <Jester45> info linux-headers-2.6.20-16 linux-headers-2.6.20-16-generic
[09:00] <Jester45>   linux-image-2.6.20-16-generic linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-16-generic
[09:00] <hyper_ch> !info linux-image-2.6.20-16-generic
[09:00] <ubotu> linux-image-2.6.20-16-generic: Linux kernel image for version 2.6.20 on x86/x86_64. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.20-16.28 (feisty), package size 23254 kB, installed size 69616 kB
[09:00] <kali|php> One of the two freezes, I saw the strange message, something like 'Keyboard not detected'. And the keyboard stopped working. I should add that I was forced to shutdown with the power button to even see the messages on the terminal when it shutdown the gui. :/
[09:00] <hyper_ch> !info linux-headers-2.6.20-16-generic
[09:00] <ubotu> linux-headers-2.6.20-16-generic: Linux kernel headers for version 2.6.20 on x86/x86_64. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.20-16.28 (feisty), package size 821 kB, installed size 7060 kB
[09:01] <Jester45> 23mb bigger than i thought
[09:01] <Jester45> hyper_ch: thanks
[09:01] <hyper_ch> well, thank ubotu :)
[09:01] <Jester45> im upgrading and i just thought the kernel was smaller
[09:02] <hyper_ch> slow-motion: huhu
[09:02] <slow-motion> hi hyper_ch
[09:02] <Jester45> what kernel would best for a p2 based celeron  and p4
[09:02] <Jester45> p = pentium
[09:02] <hyper_ch> Jester45: whatever recognizes all hardware :)
[09:03] <canas> hyper_ch, nope
[09:03] <canas> i reconfigure
[09:03] <Jester45> hyper_ch: but isnt there a optimized one
[09:03] <Jester45> !factoids
[09:03] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[09:03] <canas> but when ask variant
[09:03] <hyper_ch> Jester45: dunno...
[09:03] <hyper_ch> !linux-image
[09:03] <silvertip257> I'm having difficulty with the Live CD customization instructions on the ubuntu help page (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization/6%2e06); I wanna customize Xubuntu though, that's the twist...
[09:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about linux-image - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:03] <hyper_ch> silvertip257: what customization?
[09:03] <kali|php> !linux
[09:03] <ubotu> Linux is the kernel (core) of the Ubuntu operating system. Many operating systems use Linux as kernel. For more information on Linux in general, visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
[09:04] <silvertip257> custom live cd
[09:04] <Jester45> !custom live cd
[09:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about custom live cd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:04] <hyper_ch> silvertip257: what's that?
[09:04] <Jester45> silvertip257: there is a guide + kit of tools to do it
[09:04] <Jester45> hyper_ch: where you make a live cd of your own with your own packages your own configuration
[09:04] <silvertip257> yep
[09:04] <hyper_ch> Jester45: oh.... not needed :)
[09:05] <silvertip257> modify the ubuntu/xubuntu live cds
[09:05] <silvertip257> pfft hyper_ch
[09:05] <cjae> ok they updated python and deluge still crashes python or vice versa
[09:05] <hyper_ch> silvertip257: I got my little install script that removes unwanted packages and fetches the wanted one from the net and a few things more :)
[09:05] <Jester45> silvertip257: i remeber reading about it, you download the normal iso unpack use this program to modify the packages installed/contained then use a script to make the cd again
[09:05] <hyper_ch> cjae: don't use python or deluge then :)$
[09:05] <silvertip257> how did you make that hyper_ch ?
[09:06] <silvertip257> cause I'd like to learn how to make one =)
[09:06] <hyper_ch> silvertip257: a shell script :)
[09:06] <cjae> hyper_ch, ok so what then
[09:06] <silvertip257> any tutorials =D
[09:06] <hyper_ch> (1) install the cd.... (2) run the shell script
[09:06] <silvertip257> no making the shell script
[09:06] <hyper_ch> cjae: no clue :) don't know what deluge is
[09:06] <silvertip257> thanks Jester45
[09:06] <hyper_ch> silvertip257: have you ever used the command line?
[09:06] <silvertip257> yep
[09:06] <silvertip257> plenty of times
[09:07] <hyper_ch> you know how to copy stuff through the command line?
[09:07] <hyper_ch> you know how to install stuff from the command line?
[09:07] <Jester45> silvertip257: open mousepad type #!/bin/bash at the first line then 2nd line is apt-get remove <packages> 3rd line is apt-get install <packages>
[09:07] <silvertip257> not sure what you mean
[09:07] <cjae> hyper_ch, see the reason I ask is if someone knows about workarounds or maybe someone knows how to report it
[09:07] <silvertip257> yes i know apt-get from commandline
[09:07] <hyper_ch> silvertip257: excellent :) that's all you need to konw to understand my script... I'll post it
[09:07] <silvertip257> sweet thanks man
[09:08] <silvertip257> this is awesome =)
[09:08] <Jester45> silvertip257: a shell scipt is a number of cli comamnds that run together like a windows .bat file
[09:08] <cjae> hyper_ch, or any other possible solutions
[09:08] <silvertip257> gotcha ... that makes sense!  I just made a cool batch file for my lil bro
[09:08] <silvertip257> he had a video that only played in VLC media player, so I put the portable on a CD & made a batch file that adjusted the video res & everything =D
[09:09] <Jester45> silvertip257: its the same concept so the firs comand would be to remove unwanted packages and the 2nd would install them
[09:09] <silvertip257> portable VLC
[09:09] <cjae> !info deluge
[09:09] <ubotu> Package deluge does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[09:09] <silvertip257> ah
[09:09] <cjae> !deluge
[09:09] <ubotu> deluge is a new Bittorrent client, created using Python and GTK+, intended to bring a native, full-featured client to !GTK environments such as GNOME and Xfce - See http://deluge-torrent.org/ for more information
[09:10] <cjae> ubotu is dumb
[09:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is dumb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:10] <silvertip257> haha cjae
[09:10] <silvertip257> add to ubotu =P
[09:10] <Jester45> deluge is not where near full-featured
[09:10] <hyper_ch> silvertip257: http://phpfi.com/238446
[09:11] <silvertip257> ok thanks hyper_ch
[09:11] <cjae> ubotu being smart
[09:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about being smart - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:11] <hyper_ch> just be sure to have a copy of the appropriate repos and keys available for the software that you want to install...
[09:11] <Jester45> they should have a few people that can add to the factoids from irc and if they see somthing that is usefull but not in there they could add it
[09:11] <hyper_ch> silvertip257: and then just run it:   sudo sh install.sh  (as I called mine install.sh)
[09:12] <silvertip257> cool ... that makes sense now
[09:12] <hyper_ch> silvertip257: very simple :)
[09:12] <silvertip257> yep, but useful
[09:12] <hyper_ch> and skype, java, postfix is on top because user interaction is needed
[09:14] <canas> hyper_ch, help me one second
[09:14] <canas> if you can
[09:14] <hyper_ch> silvertip257: the rest (of those) will be auto-installed
[09:14] <hyper_ch> canas: I don't know what your problem is, so I can't help
[09:14] <canas> only if i open openoffice 2.2 i cant join him cause the bars
[09:14] <hyper_ch> canas: ??? I don't understand
[09:14] <silvertip257> oh gotcha hyper_ch ... good idea
[09:14] <canas> hyper_ch, parli italiano?:D
[09:14] <canas> sei swiss?:D
[09:14] <hyper_ch> sono svizzero tedesco
[09:15] <canas> bravo italiano niente niente?:d
[09:15] <hyper_ch> parlo italiano pero solamente un po
[09:15] <canas> you live in zurich?
[09:15] <hyper_ch> nope
[09:15] <canas> zug?
[09:15] <canas> :D
[09:15] <hyper_ch> nope
[09:15] <canas> where from:P
[09:15] <canas> basel?
[09:15] <hyper_ch> Swizz ^^
[09:15] <canas> ahuua
[09:15] <canas> ok
[09:15] <canas> non parte openoffice
[09:16] <canas> la grafica non e corretta
[09:16] <hyper_ch> silvertip257: well, you still could make your custom live cd but I don't really see a point in that :)
[09:16] <hyper_ch> canas: what's not good with OOo?
[09:16] <canas> xfce and wifi run?  i have problem with wpa
[09:17] <hyper_ch> canas: you mean you have no buttons in OpenOffice.org?
[09:17] <silvertip257> hyper_ch: it's so I have something with just the essentials I need ... especially when I'm in the college/public labs
[09:17] <canas> yes
[09:17] <canas> no possibilites
[09:17] <canas> to write
[09:17] <canas> in word proces..
[09:17] <canas> only 3 icons
[09:17] <hyper_ch> canas: well, sounds like you need to install a theme
[09:17] <canas> ok which kind
[09:17] <canas> i no have eth
[09:17] <canas> in this laptop
[09:18] <hyper_ch> canas: you need inet otherwise you can't install the themes
[09:18] <hyper_ch> silvertip257: as essential I use DSL on my usb stick :)
[09:19] <silvertip257> ah not a bad idea hyper_ch
[09:19] <canas> ok tomorrow
[09:19] <canas> i have pcmcia eth
[09:19] <canas> ok
[09:19] <silvertip257> but I'm too stubborn hyper_ch .... I'm on a mission now =)
[09:19] <hyper_ch> silvertip257: but it's linux... you have many ways of doing something :)
[09:19] <hyper_ch> silvertip257: good luck then
[09:19] <silvertip257> and stubborness
[09:19] <silvertip257> haha
[09:32] <tidrion> can open office not run under xubuntu (sorry if this is a dumb question)
[09:33] <Jester45> http://contest.sketchup.com/entry.php <-- i wonder if google is tring to make a new google earth with 3d models of cities
[09:33] <silvertip257> open office works fine on xfce/xubuntu
[09:33] <hyper_ch> tidrion: it runs
[09:33] <vidd_laptop> tidrion, open office can run....
[09:33] <silvertip257> tidrion it can run
[09:33] <vidd_laptop> you just need to INSTALL it
[09:33] <silvertip257> yea you need to install it =D
[09:33] <tidrion> hmm, it is faded out in Synaptic for some reason
[09:34] <hyper_ch> Jester45: they have already stuff in 3d
[09:34] <Jester45> tidrion: it's writer app is installed by defualt
[09:34] <silvertip257> maybe you need to enable more repos
[09:34] <hyper_ch> Jester45: like the bigger US cities
[09:34] <hyper_ch> Jester45: and large cities world wide
[09:34] <tidrion> Jester45: mine came with abiword by default
[09:34] <Jester45> hehe US wins again :)
[09:34] <hyper_ch> Jester45: wins? In what resepct?
[09:34] <Jester45> tidrion: well in feisty
[09:35] <hyper_ch> tidrion: can you open a terminal?
[09:35] <tidrion> not from here
[09:35] <tidrion> at work
[09:35] <silvertip257> tidrion:  take a look at Software Sources too
[09:35] <tidrion> okay
[09:35] <hyper_ch> tidrion: sudo aptitude install openoffice.org
[09:35] <silvertip257> although OO should be in the main repo
[09:36] <Jester45> hyper_ch: that the other countries dont get *their* bigger cities only if they are big compared to the rest of the world but the US get more even if they are smaller
[09:36] <silvertip257> hyper_ch:  you shell script had aptitude install openoffice.org-gtk
[09:36] <hyper_ch> Jester45: oh well, this has nothing to do with winning or loosing :)
[09:36] <hyper_ch> silvertip257: really?
[09:36] <tidrion>  hyper_ch thanks
[09:36] <silvertip257> yea openoffice.org & openoffice.org-gtk  [both of them] 
[09:37] <hyper_ch> silvertip257: ok :
[09:37] <silvertip257> hyper_ch:  # OpenOffice
[09:37] <silvertip257> aptitude -y install openoffice.org openoffice.org-gtk
[09:37] <hyper_ch> tidrion: well, do run then afterwards:   sudo aptitude install openoffice.org-gtk
[09:37] <luisbg> isn't jani logging in these days?
[09:37] <Jester45> hyper_ch: yes it does, US wins the google 3d citeis award :) (one of the msot important ones)
[09:37] <hyper_ch> Jester45: if you think so
[09:39] <silvertip257> hyper_ch:  should I use apt-get autoremove in my shell script?
[09:39] <silvertip257> what's the diff ?
[09:40] <hyper_ch> silvertip257: autoremove removes libraries that were dependencies once but not any longer
[09:40] <Jester45> silvertip257: autoremove removes packages that dont have anything depending on it
[09:40] <silvertip257> oh ok
[09:40] <Jester45> hyper_ch: not only libraries
[09:40] <silvertip257> that might be good to use then
[09:40] <hyper_ch> silvertip257: well, aptitude/apt-get tell you when you should run it
[09:41] <silvertip257> esp if I remove stuff I dont want & wanna clean up their dependencies
[09:41] <Jester45> mix our answers up, packages that once where depended on but now they are not
[09:41] <cjae_> ok how  do I remove the bunk kernel ??
[09:41] <silvertip257> oh ok hyper
[09:41] <hyper_ch> but you can add it if you want to
[09:42] <cjae_> like is there some debain/ubuntu command to remove the kernel image and the entry from menu.lst
[09:42] <silvertip257> do i use autoremove w/ a special package or all as one:  "apt-get autoremove" ?
[09:43] <silvertip257> cjae:  you can manually edit the grub menu.lst file
[09:43] <hyper_ch> silvertip257: tried the man pages yet?
[09:43] <silvertip257> ok hyper_ch
[09:43] <hyper_ch> silvertip257: ;)
[09:43] <silvertip257> =P
[09:44] <hyper_ch> silvertip257: then you will also see autoclean :)
[09:44] <silvertip257> yes
[09:44] <silvertip257> i am seeing that 2
[09:45] <hyper_ch> silvertip257: it's good to know what apt-get and aptitude can do :)
[09:45] <silvertip257> heh
[09:45] <hyper_ch> the shell is really powerful
[10:21] <rothchild> how do I install a new icon theme in xubuntu?
[10:24] <rothchild> !icons
[10:24] <ubotu> Want to see volume/trash icons on the desktop? Go to /apps/nautilus/desktop in gconf-editor (Gnome) or go to http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kisimlar/tipsntrix.html#showtrash (KDE)
[10:27] <rothchild> also can anyone tell me how I get rid of the trash, file system and home icons from the desktop?
[10:47] <silvertip257> anyone experienced with creating/customizing live cd isos ?
[10:54] <BlueEagl1> !anyone
[10:54] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[11:12] <desmond> hi, can some1 help me format my secondary driver under linux? i want to get a fat partion on it
[11:14] <allBecauseTheLad> hi all
[11:15] <aliasrush> using beryl+xgl+ati+xubuntu.... problem.... my window manager will not start and when I go to start beryl it will not go into xfwm4 or beryl
[11:16] <allBecauseTheLad> whats the error message ?
[11:16] <aliasrush> it had been working fine this morning but when I got home from work it will not start.... any suggestions
[11:16] <aliasrush> one sec
[11:16] <allBecauseTheLad> anthing in messages or syslog ?
[11:16] <aliasrush> how do I get to those?
[11:17] <aliasrush> I am a noobie with xubuntu
[11:17] <allBecauseTheLad> "/var/log/
[11:18] <aliasrush> ok... one sec
[11:18] <allBecauseTheLad> in this directory
[11:18] <allBecauseTheLad> did ya try a reboot ?
[11:18] <aliasrush> yes... rebooted twice and restart xwin 3 times
[11:19] <aliasrush> I had beryl configured to start at boot through a script
[11:19] <allBecauseTheLad> can you go back to the default manager ?
[11:20] <aliasrush> nope... it will not start eventhough beryl does not start
[11:20] <allBecauseTheLad> think x11 may be your problem
[11:20] <aliasrush> well..... the only way I tried was turning beryl off from autostart and restarting the computer and it will not even load xfwm
[11:21] <allBecauseTheLad> hvave you tried to start x from the command line ?
[11:21] <aliasrush> nope
[11:21] <aliasrush> what log should I look at?
[11:23] <allBecauseTheLad> "/etc/init.d/x11-common status"
[11:23] <allBecauseTheLad> should report not running
[11:23] <allBecauseTheLad> change status to start
[11:24] <allBecauseTheLad> should give you an error message
[11:24] <aliasrush> ok I am in the file x11-common
[11:24] <aliasrush> you say I should change status to start?
[11:24] <allBecauseTheLad> yep
[11:25] <allBecauseTheLad> this will start x
[11:25] <allBecauseTheLad> you should get a message as to why its not starting
[11:26] <aliasrush> do I type /etc/init.d/x11-common status......... in the command prompt
[11:26] <aliasrush> ?
[11:26] <allBecauseTheLad> yep
[11:26] <aliasrush> even though I am in xwin right now?
[11:26] <allBecauseTheLad> ah
[11:26] <allBecauseTheLad> hang on
[11:26] <allBecauseTheLad> x must be working so
[11:27] <aliasrush> sorry I was a little confused.... yes x is working.... xgl is running... and xfce is working.... but no window managers
[11:27] <aliasrush> and I cannot get the window managers working
[11:28] <aliasrush> tried beryl and xfwm4
[11:28] <allBecauseTheLad> I'm at a loss so
[11:28] <aliasrush> now let me ask you this
[11:29] <aliasrush> I installed the powermanagement daemon this morning but had not reboot since downloading it
[11:29] <aliasrush> do you think that is affecting it?
[11:30] <allBecauseTheLad> mmmm could be it
[11:30] <allBecauseTheLad> try disabling it ?
[11:30] <aliasrush> why would that affect it?
[11:30] <aliasrush> ok will do... brb
[11:38] <Devo420> hello all
[11:40] <aliasrush> well that did not work... hmmm
[11:41] <aliasrush> well, anyone know what could be wrong with xubuntu not loading a the wondow manager?
[11:42] <Jester45> aliasrush: try pressing ALT + F2 then type xfwm4 then click run
[11:43] <aliasrush> Here is the error message (I ran it in a terminal): ** (xfwm4:6121): WARNING **: Another Window Manager is already running
[11:43] <Jester45> is emerald running?
[11:43] <aliasrush> let me check
[11:43] <Jester45> run from a termina "xfwm4 --replace" with out quotes
[11:44] <aliasrush> ok
[11:45] <aliasrush> same error message... and emerald is not running
[11:45] <Jester45> try running emerald from terminal and try it will --replace
[11:46] <aliasrush> ok
[11:46] <Devo420> i keep trying to install xubuntu and it freezes through the install
[11:46] <Devo420> i did a cd error check and a memory check
[11:46] <Jester45> Devo420: live cd? did you check the dc for defects ?
[11:46] <aliasrush> Devo420... did you do a checksum on the cd?
[11:46] <Devo420> yes
[11:46] <Devo420> i used the one at the boot menu
[11:47] <aliasrush> you have to do a md5 checksum
[11:47] <Jester45> Devo420: how far into the install
[11:47] <Devo420> towars the end, when it's installing scsi emulation
[11:47] <Devo420> 6.04 version
[11:47] <Devo420> the 7.0x version freezes at 15%
[11:48] <aliasrush> Jester45: I entered emerald --replace and it is just hanging... no error message
[11:48] <Devo420> i'm making an ubuntu cd to try the instructions here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingXubuntu
[11:48] <Jester45> aliasrush: do you have beryl-manager? if not try installing that running it and using the righ click menu to chagne wm
[11:48] <Devo420> via starting with a server system
[11:49] <Jester45> Devo420: so the install just stops?
[11:49] <Devo420> yeah
[11:50] <aliasrush> I have already done that Jester45.... and a weird thing happens... if I selecet fvwm4 it will just do nothing; will not load any.... but if I select beryl the screen will flicker on and off
[11:51] <Jester45> aliasrush: try removeing beryl and/or emerald
[11:52] <aliasrush> Jester45: let me ask you.... I made it so I can select at the gdm screen what kind of session I want to start... xgl, xfce, gnome fail safe and so on.... the regular session without xgl works
[11:53] <aliasrush> so if it is xgl... why would it all of a sudden do this
[11:53] <aliasrush> ?
[11:53] <Jester45> maybe the xgl is broken
[11:53] <aliasrush> should I reinstall it?
[11:53] <aliasrush> complete remove and reinstall?
[11:53] <Jester45> yea you can try that
[11:54] <aliasrush> now I had also updated my computer with the ubuntu updates this morning... but had not reboot
[11:54] <aliasrush> so it could be the updates from the update manager
[11:55] <aliasrush> therefore I am trying to narrow it down.... because it is probably something I did this morning before work.... and I trying to get the proper knowledge to diagnose and correct
[11:57] <Jester45> did the updates have the new kernel? if so reboot but select the -15 kernel the grub
[11:58] <aliasrush> ok....brb
[12:01] <aliasrush> Jester45: nope didnt work
[12:03] <aliasrush> Jester45: do you think removing and installing xgl will have any effect?
[12:07] <aliasrush> Jester45: got the window manager back... reinstalled xgl...now trying beryl!!
[12:18] <aliasrush> Jester45: it was broken packages in beryl because I have to force the beryl version to 0.2.0 because of XGL but a few packages when i updated this morning were not forced and were updated