[12:18] nope, neither of those is in kde itself [12:18] manchicken: could you make an option in adept-notifier to go back to start, like if you cancel an update, instead of the one option you have, to quit and start over, 'go back to fetch list of packages' or whatever it's named. [12:18] we should probably ping the maintainers [12:18] ryanakca: wrt your 2nd item, i have both kde and gnome installed, and in my kmenu konsole is in system and gnome-terminal is in utilities [12:18] manchicken: should i file a wishlist bug for that? [12:18] Wishlist please [12:18] kwwii: What sort of changes has Kubuntu made to Domino? [12:18] Sho_: none so far [12:19] Sho_: none [12:19] we don't even have a package yet :) [12:19] Riddell: Maybe we should have a set of meetings that focus on nothing but hard to decide items [12:19] Sho_: but we are discussing it for Gutsy [12:19] Sho_: check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MartinB%c3%b6hm/Meetings/KubuntuGutsyPolyester [12:19] kwwii: It's principal developer is Michael Lentner, but I have been involved with its development recently. I'd appreciate to be kept in the loop on changes. [12:19] yuriy: hmmm [12:20] Sho_: excellent! we can use all the help we can get :-) [12:20] yuriy: yes, GNOME has recently changed the location of their terminal app. not sure if fd.o agrees with the category [12:20] ryanakca: as in ubuntu and kubuntu disagree on where konsole/terminal should be placed, it seems [12:20] mhb: hear that? we need to keep in contact with Sho_ [12:20] yeah [12:20] it's under "accessories" in gnome in feisty [12:21] DaSkreech: we have a mailing list for that. [12:21] We'll have to bug seele about that [12:21] Sho_: are you on IRC? [12:21] often [12:21] mhb: By virtue of being Konversation's maintainer, I'm an IRC addict - the client is online 24/7, yeah [12:21] Hobbsee: Right [12:21] mhb: And for async, there's hein-AT-kde-DOT.org [12:22] DaSkreech: as in, because people dont have time for 5 hour meetings or whatever [12:22] Sho_: really? :o) [12:22] Sho_: you are konverstaion maintainer! rocking! [12:22] yeah, rocking indeed [12:22] :) === Jucato thought kwwii and Sho_ knew each other :) [12:22] the best irc client in the world [12:22] ++ === Sho_ thanks Kubuntu for leading the way in installing Konvi by default ;) [12:23] I argued for that for years at suse [12:23] but Will would not allow it ;-) [12:23] I think coolo changed his mind after Kubuntu switched to it ;) [12:23] 10.2 installs it, iirc [12:23] lol, that sounds like coolo [12:23] Fedora 7 does too, now, in the KDE spin [12:24] mandriva, fedora, suse, all install Konvi now :) [12:27] Sho_: hmm, an interesting agenda point === mhb is reading through [12:27] mhb: just edited again, maybe reload :) [12:28] Sho_: by the way, where will the tabs be for KDE4? [12:29] Sho_: I've seen konsole with tabs up, so I wonder [12:29] mhb: We're going to stick to the bottom from our end [12:30] I like the apps being consistent on this one [12:30] mhb: For Konvi it's even more clear cut than for Konsole, as we use the tab bar for state notification in the different views, and the chatter's eyesight tends to hover at the bottom of the window due to new text being appended there and the input line being there as well [12:30] argh, tabs discussion === Hobbsee paints the bikeshed [12:30] mhb: Having to constantly shift the line of sight from the top to the bottom would be rather awkward [12:30] Sho_: I totally agree with your points [12:30] Hobbsee: don't look here, you're supposed to be at the meeting [12:31] tabs should be in the same position in all similar apps - there is no reason to do it differently [12:31] mhb: they're not really listening ot me so much, so... :P [12:31] Hobbsee: we all know you're Sarah "Two Sheds" Hobbs [12:31] Yes - I think Konsole, Kopete and, well, Konvi, should put them at the bottom [12:31] that is the one thing that sabdfl is fighting for in ubuntu [12:31] kwwii: putting them at the bottom? [12:32] mhb: not necessarily where they are, but they should all be in the same place === Jucato loves the left tab in Konvi though... but that's personal, not usability :) [12:32] I actually use konvi with tabs on the left because I have so many open, but that is not the point [12:32] Well I wrote the treelist, I like it too [12:33] kwwii: ditto :) [12:33] but I still think the bottom default makes more sense ;) [12:33] a new user needs to expect thing to be in the same place for different apps [12:33] kwwii: oh, I'm fighting for that, too :o [12:33] kwwii: in Kubuntu [12:33] we get shot when we change it, but we get shot not changing it too, because it's not hte default [12:33] kwwii: but people like the bottom tabs, so I can't do much :o) === Hobbsee paints the bikeshed a bit more. [12:34] mhb: they should probably all be at the bottom, that is my point === manchicken_ [n=manchkn@74-134-94-223.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:34] Hobbsee: it is not bikeshedding, it is usability [12:35] kwwii: i realise that. actually, what i'd *like* is a decision that this is what we'll do, and that we dont change it again without agreement from the KC [12:35] as this keeps changing every release or so, and it's nuts. [12:35] Hobbsee: right [12:36] kwwii: I'm afraid people are used to having tabs on the top [12:36] issues like this need to be taken out of the hardcore geeks hands and into the usability people's [12:36] kwwii: firefox, MS Windows configuration dialogs, etc === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-023-046.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:36] woulld be nice if seele or el were here to help on this matters [12:36] kwwii: but I don't want to paint Hobbsee's two sheds :o) [12:36] kwwii: +1 [12:37] mhb: well, this is an issue of all text-based apps which have bottom-up text progress so it is somewhat different [12:38] that's konversation only, isn't it? [12:39] oh wait === mhb stops painting :o) [12:40] :) [12:40] actually it's more along the lines of i'd like all the features of konvi in irssi [12:41] or better yet, a konvi that can run in a screen [12:42] mmm... [12:44] or run irssi inside konvi lol :) [12:45] Jucato: lol === ryanakca loves screen [12:46] :) === yuriy waits for someone to tell him of some magical way of running KDE apps in a screen === ryanakca_ [n=ryan@ubuntu/member/ryanakca] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:53] Sho_: will you help out in pointing out what makes it a terrible theme? [12:56] Sho_: i so agree on the redundant usability. === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:57] Sho_: not wanting to add to the traffic in the other room, maybe you can run it by el again, taking into consideration the questions of the kubuntu developers. [12:58] if only so much time could be spent on the placement of every widget in kubuntu [12:58] nixternal: RFS? (I see RFH, RFA and RFP on http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/ ) [12:58] Request For Sponsor [12:59] there is a template when you log into mentors.debian.net [12:59] yuriy: Well if Kubuntu would stick to upstream, in this case we wouldn't have had to ;) [12:59] i can't understand that we discuss this. i'd go with whatever upstream has decided is best, who are we to think we know what's better for their app? - do we think they are completely fools and make their app look bad and behave badly on purpose? [12:59] yuriy: I think the point is that if upstream has made good and sensible defaults, distro would have little reason to change them [12:59] and if they do, distros have the burden of proof to reason out why they changed it [01:00] fdoving: What I'd like to see is that before deviating from defaults, distros ask themselves if that change has a good enough reason behind it that it's worth proposing to upstream, and then do so before shipping it [01:01] fdoving: Making various changes without ever talking to upstream about it just accumulates maintenance load on the distros' part anyway [01:01] Sho_: exactly. [01:01] fdoving: have you seen default KDE menu? :) [01:01] DaSkreech: that's hardly comparable. === yuriy wonders what would happen if some KIO devs decided to come to a meeting [01:02] DaSkreech: The default KDE menu isn't set in stone either [01:02] ok time to go home [01:02] yuriy: they would cry, so do i, about our mediapatches. [01:03] :-) [01:03] the default kde menu is still stacks better than the windows menus...but it still needs work === nosrednaekim [n=michael@01-085.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato thinks there's a deeper problem beneath all these [01:03] fdoving: Those are odd, yeah - a friend recently installed Kubuntu, and while media:/ will happily show his hard drives (allbeit error out on permissions when clicking to mount them), the /media linked to from the Kicker applet doesn't ;-) === goldenear [n=goldenea@2001:6f8:392:1:213:2ff:fe4a:53a7] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:04] Sho_: Heehee :) [01:04] Jucato: i think that part of the deeper problem is that for changing a lot of defaults upstream, ""It'll be fixed in KDE4"" [01:04] Yeah I was in Gnome today and it handles the mounting of Drives a million times better [01:04] On #kde, there's a running gag that the easiest way to get software into Kubuntu is to publish it as a patch on kde-apps.org [01:04] as I recall Knoppix Circa 2003 does loads better than kubuntu as well [01:05] in terms of what? [01:05] yuriy: Me? [01:05] yeah [01:05] the deeper problems is actually the communication between upstream and downstream. How do we communicate? How much do we need to communicate about these things? [01:06] Sho_: *wonderful* [01:06] Sho_: hehe :) - good one. :) [01:06] yuriy: mounting drives and making them useful [01:06] Well, I think upstream concerns should be presented as questions more than displeasure. [01:06] I'm still very much bothered and concerned that these issues were brought up in this manner. [01:06] manchicken_: We were previously told we should show up at a meeting and bring up our issues [01:06] manchicken_: as an agenda on the meeting? [01:06] DaSkreech: yeah knoppix is quite amazing at making things work [01:07] manchicken_: By Brandon - I also asked Riddell earlier today if it was appropriate, and he ok'd it [01:07] yuriy: AND SO IS GNOME [01:07] Why can't Kubuntu make things groovy? [01:07] Sho_: My concern isn't that it was brought up, it's that it is how it was brought up. [01:07] in my recent experience GNOME hasn't exactly worked [01:08] imho it has been brought up quite well. [01:08] manchicken_: I find it strage that you find it so perplexing that as software developers we would have a stake in how it's presented to the users? [01:08] Sho_: I welcomed your presence [01:08] yuriy: it has them in the Sidebar [01:08] you double click and it mounts on the desktop [01:08] DOuble click again and it opens [01:08] Beauty [01:08] mhb: thanks :) [01:08] manchicken_: this also isn't the first time Konversation has communicated with Kubuntu. but previously only through contacts like imbrandon and Hobbsee [01:08] DaSkreech: i was talking about other things [01:08] manchicken_: list of points in a .txt, what was wrong with that? - mplayer do this all the time. they come to package maintainers and tell them how to improve their packages. [01:08] Sho_: feel free to come here or at the meeting and "flame" some more :o) [01:08] I may be way off, but it was brought up in a way that seemed like some sort of control assertion. [01:08] Sho_: it is hard to control this in opensource - see Firefox TM story [01:09] yuriy: Oh no. I'll refrain about talking about it for other stuff [01:09] Sho_: (just a joke, I think you have several good points) [01:09] but If it works by gum goll so should we! [01:09] I think that we are lucky that Sho_ wants to help us [01:09] text file is better than irc log. but yes [01:09] konversation has zero entitlement to how kubuntu packages things, but I think that we do care to listen to outside and upstream opinions. [01:09] kwwii: me too. [01:09] manchicken_: We're aware that part of what the distributions do is customize the applications to fit their particular flavor. We're not trying to change that. [01:09] manchicken_: I think that rant has gotten it's point across now :) [01:10] nite. [01:10] anyway I'm now a solid hour late [01:10] night [01:10] night DaSkreech! [01:10] manchicken_: But I do think that upstream and distros should work together, and that it's fair for upstream to ask distributions if they're really attached to changes upstream doesn't like === Jucato makes breakfast for his grandma [01:10] If you see me later I'll be in Vista [01:10] Sho_: but our current defaults are worse than yours ;-) [01:10] Sho_: Couldn't agree more. [01:10] please send Choclate and ice crem to make me feel better [01:10] Sho_: I just think that you could have brought it up better. [01:10] manchicken_: And yes, I also think that distros should inform upstream about changes they make and why [01:11] manchicken_: You know, the users come to us and complain, not (only) to you [01:11] manchicken_: there is history behind [01:11] history goes way back :) [01:11] manchicken_: I heard before that upstream was not happy with our changes [01:11] there might be a good chance that we change something, tell them about it and they say "hey what a great idea!" [01:11] Sho_: have you been getting mroe complaints about kubuntu konvi, apart from the aforementioend ones? [01:11] Sho_: The communication should go, and that's something that's needed. [01:11] if we don't tell them they might not ever know [01:11] manchicken_: but we did not discuss it at the time [01:11] Sho_: i havent seen anything in my inbox, so i'm assuming not [01:11] Sho_: But these things should have been questions, not "we're mad at you for this this and that." [01:11] Hobbsee: nope, all overed by earlier + today [01:11] *covered [01:11] Sho_: seeing as i believe you said you'd forward them to me, or the kubuntu-devel mailing list [01:12] great, OK [01:12] manchicken_: We're probably going to have to agree to disagree then. [01:13] manchicken_: didnt you know - flame wars are great for communicating :P [01:13] Lure: Well, Kubuntu actually forked key files of Konversation in the past, broke menu structures and keyboard shortcuts, forgot about those changes, and reported them to us as bugs - yes, there's some history ;) [01:13] fortunately, they're gone [01:13] Hobbsee: I don't believe I've flamed, though. [01:14] Hobbsee: I'll probably sleep by then, but I'll try to support you from within the dreams :o)3 [01:14] yes, Hobbsee kindly fixed all that [01:14] Sho_: Well next time try communicating a little better please. This idea that upstream is somehow entitled to control downstream is simply misguided. [01:14] Sho_: yep, we are far from perfect ;-) [01:14] i've been meaning to look at the k-d-s again, i havent had time since i got back [01:14] manchicken_: I have never said that upstream is entitled to control downstream. [01:14] manchicken_: In fact, I have said the opposite multiple times. [01:14] once i get to the end of semester, and past exams and such, then it'll be all good. [01:14] manchicken_: I don't think that the way it was brought up implied any control [01:14] Sho_: I did not consider your arguing as flaming [01:14] lol, if we make upstream always swim downstream how will the upstream from us? :p [01:14] Sho_: just brought up issues [01:14] [18:08] manchicken_: I find it strage that you find it so perplexing that as software developers we would have a stake in how it's presented to the users? [01:15] Sho_: not today. maybe i'm mixing you with ana/pusling, though. i havent looked at the old logs [01:15] erm, bad english...time for bed [01:15] That looks like assertion of some entitlement to control to me. [01:15] kwwii: heh [01:15] Sho_: your comments were interesting for me [01:15] manchicken_: that was in reaction to you question why downstream changes concern upstream [01:15] kwwii: you'll start up in german again? [01:15] kwwii: like at the airport? [01:15] manchicken_: I'm not a native English speaker, so I'm sorry if that might have an aggressive meaning. According to my English education, "having a stake" roughly means "having a strong interest in", "being emotionally involved in", etc. [01:15] aber ohne scheiss ;-) [01:15] Jucato: No, that was just a second ago to something different. [01:15] kwwii: no idea if anyone else got confused at your speech that day :P [01:16] Sho_: Gotcha. We'll call that one lost in translation then :) [01:16] manchicken_: Sho_ just repeated what he said earlier in #ubuntu-meeting [01:16] funky hearing a native english speaker getting tired and reverting back to german, eh? [01:16] * HobbseeGermanParser dies [01:16] he just copy-pasted it in here [01:16] Jucato: No, what he said before was longer I though.... [01:16] kwwii: hehe, seems so [01:17] Hobbsee: I don't seem to be able to make new administrators for kubuntu-members [01:17] manchicken_: And yes, I'm surprised that you would be surprised that we care about what Kubuntu does to our software ;-) [01:17] Riddell: why not? [01:17] And we would prefer to work with distros rather than keep a list on our website which we can support and which we can't [01:17] Sho_: Sorry if I seem a little short on that one, but when I was a SuSE contributor, gosh there were a lot of upstream folks trying to dictate direction. Didn't want to see that again. [01:17] oh fucking hell [01:17] Sho_: Caring, sure. You're more than entitled to care :) [01:17] why do i appear to have 7 hours of class straight here? [01:18] Sho_: Languages are fun, eh? [01:18] make that 3, an hour break, then 7 hours straight [01:18] upstream is also entitled to suggest :) [01:18] Hobbsee: no pain, no gain [01:18] Okay, I'm going to once again go get disappointed by a local restaurant because their spiciest food is nowhere near spicy enough. === kwwii ducks [01:18] Enjoy folks. Have fun. [01:18] kwwii: yeah, let you tell me how my head is hurting right now... [01:19] bye manchicken_ [01:19] manchicken_: In short, I don't expect you to just do what we ask you to, but I do expect distros to think before deviating from defaults, and to be open to discussion about changes with upstream. [01:19] Sho_: We need to talk about stuff. [01:19] Hobbsee: I've no idea, I can for kubuntu-council but not for kubuntu-members, maybe because I didn't create the team [01:19] Sho_: And talking is good. === kwwii is off to bed...night all [01:19] I wasn't saying we shouldn't talk :) [01:19] Hobbsee: can you set admins for kubuntu-council? [01:19] manchicken_: Well, thats what we've been doing today ;) [01:19] night kwwii [01:20] Hobbsee already added me to the council - thanks Hobbsee! [01:20] alright, it's disappointment time. Later folks. [01:20] kwwii: no problem [01:20] Riddell: already done [01:20] night Sho_, see you around I hope [01:20] Riddell: perhaps you should talk to the CC, then. [01:20] seeing as that needs fixing [01:20] or a launchpad admin [01:20] or i could poke someone in #launchpad, i guess [01:20] see you manchicken|away, enjoy (or not) your meal [01:24] Riddell: sorry for being late. i'm not sure what happened [01:25] Hobbsee: are you feeling ok? not sick are you? :( [01:25] Jucato: define sick :P [01:25] (sick of opto?) [01:25] Jucato: i'm likely hypoglycaemic, and it's been getting worse since mid-UDS. [01:25] hehehe [01:25] :( [01:25] mmm...sick of assignments, too [01:26] but mostly the former [01:26] Lure: hey, are you here? [01:26] nosrednaekim: yep, but anout to get some sleep (1:30 am here) [01:27] Lure: ok... just wanted to tell you that making it into a wattmeter is a one and one-half line fix:-D [01:27] Hobbsee: that is a bad thing [01:27] Hobbsee: are you diabetic? [01:27] ajmitch: indeed [01:27] (I'm Type II) [01:27] guidance-power-manager that is. [01:27] nosrednaekim: great - send me the patch and I can review and include it [01:27] Lure: ok. [01:27] crimsun: dont think so. it's fairly close to hypoglycaemia though === Hobbsee hates doctors and such, avoids them like the plague [01:28] ajmitch: indeed. [01:28] Hobbsee: your phone was turned off, I can't wake you up from an answerphone :) [01:28] Riddell: it was on. [01:28] I just got an answerphone woman [01:28] i've no missed calls on it [01:28] was it me? [01:29] no, robot [01:29] then you called the wrong number [01:29] O.o [01:29] freaky [01:29] Riddell: yes, that's me [01:29] hmm, guess it was my mistake earlier then [01:30] probably :P [01:30] sorry about that [01:30] no problem [01:31] blerg. head == dying [01:31] revive it [01:32] cant. it doesnt wish to revive [01:33] more drastic measures may be needed [01:33] hammer? [01:33] a snack with a bit of sugar content? [01:33] crimsun: that requires gettign to the other end of the house. [01:33] crimsun: you've got no imagination [01:33] ;) [01:34] which is problematic === Sho_ [i=ehs1@kde/hein] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Stop] === Hobbsee --> sleeping for a bit in an attempt not to feel terrible [01:38] how do you find the email addresses of developers? [01:38] see various of you later tonight :) [01:39] nosrednaekim: which ones? [01:39] I'd like to know Lure's [01:39] check launchpad [01:39] but i'm not sure what his real name is..ok [01:39] launchpad.net/~lure [01:39] ok [01:39] most people come up in a people find [01:40] or use launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members and find them off there [01:41] ok thanks.. 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I file a ITP, as per http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/, but then, in the end, it goes 'Bug report written as /var/tmp/wnpp.bug [02:39] ', and nothing shows up in http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ [02:40] that means you need to attach /var/tmp/wnpp.bug in an email. [02:40] we don't use reportbug === ryanakca knows [02:41] use the email method of Debian BTS, and either include the contents of that file, or attach that file [02:41] if you already knew, then I'm not sure why you asked [02:41] nixternal suggested that I get my packages in debian, and then just sync it into ubuntu [02:42] crimsun: no, I know that Ubuntu doesn't use bugreport... not how to take care of the wnpp.bug, but thanks === dregorth [n=Jon@66-190-240-43.dhcp.klmt.or.charter.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === dregorth [n=Jon@66-190-240-43.dhcp.klmt.or.charter.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:23] ryanakca: your ITP did arrive on the list now [03:24] however it doesn't look like it got into the bts properly :) [03:24] ajmitch: I fixed it. [03:25] good [03:25] night [03:25] :) [03:30] okay, who's awake? === dregorth might be [03:30] :P [03:32] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings/Minutes/2007-05-31 needs proofreaders [03:32] it also needs people that can write english, I'm not one of them :o) [03:33] thanks to everyone that reads my minutes and survives it === rbrunhuber [n=rbrunhub@p549775DA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-58-51.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@ppp-69-221-237-3.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nosrednaekim [n=michael@03-135.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:37] interesting link mhb [03:38] i'll see about proofreading it [03:38] :) [03:39] which btw, i was actually searching about 10 mins ago for a log of the meeting since i had to leave in the middle of it [03:39] hehe === nosrednaekim [n=michael@03-135.200.popsite.net] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [03:45] mhb: under the "present" part where it lists the "others present", what exactly do you mean as "others"? === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:54] yay mass closing bugs [03:55] mhb: well, it looks very thorough and fine to me [03:56] mhb: why do you need people that can write english? === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nosrednaekim [n=michael@03-135.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_t_ [n=tobias@p54A722BE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:49] who keeps beating up my connection? [04:49] i am [04:49] I told you to stop using Vista as your host OS, but would you listen? Nooo. [04:49] nixternal: i liked that kde4-docs document you sent [04:50] hello [04:50] haha crimsun [04:50] hey i have no problems w/ my vista install :) [04:50] jjesse: I am going to take the doc stuff that I had on the agenda and take it to the list..that way there you are included as well [04:50] it isn't much really [04:51] aweosme [04:51] detroit basketball!!!!! === dregorth [n=Jon@66-190-240-43.dhcp.klmt.or.charter.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:53] wow what is happening to the cleveland cavs in this quarter? [04:54] eww bball [04:54] hey i just watch playoffs if detroit is in it :) [04:54] man, I drove by and watched a baseball game tonight by the uni...I miss playing baseball so much [04:54] yeah? i play church softball when I'm not traveling [04:55] I can play softball, as long as it isn't 16" [04:55] I like to keep it as close to baseball as possible [04:56] i don't mind softball, its a great time with the guys [04:56] one of the things i really miss when i travel === claydoh watched the spelling bee tonight :) [04:57] i saw that on abc, is it over? [04:57] yeah [04:58] one of the words I got, as it was sort of a Star Trek reference :) [04:59] a type of wheat hybrid that the tribbles ate in up [04:59] triticale [04:59] i suck at spelling [05:00] my wife now resents marrying me as I knew not only the word, its meaning, spelling, and the name of the ST TOS episode it is from [05:00] hahahahahaha [05:00] that's funny [05:01] that's funny...i don't care who ya are [05:01] pure dumb luck really [05:01] my wife hates it everytime stargate or dr. who or anything like that shows up in the dvr [05:01] my wife won't let me watch Dr who id she is around [05:01] mine either [05:01] Red Dwarf is ok (she likes that one ) [05:02] i think mine cringes everytime sci fi is on? [05:02] doh didn't need question mark [05:02] luckily she is not too much into theso-called feminine-type shows [05:02] my wife is, she loves grey's anatomy [05:03] i got the first two seasons for her so she could watch them while i was on the road traveling [05:03] not too bad a show, really [05:03] i think i've watched two episodes? [05:05] she prefers CSI and NCIS more === er4z0r [n=tbender@pisa.rz.hs-heilbronn.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:09] heh jjesse i see you're at the same thing === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:43] Hobbsee!!! [05:45] :) [05:46] how are you now? I just woke up after only 2 hours of sleep lol [05:46] ouch [05:46] I don't think I could wake up 2 hours after I went to sleep [05:46]