[11:49] <kensho> hi
[04:44] <madduck> mjg59: strace of thinkpad-keys shows some action when i press those fn-f4/fn-f12 and other keys even with acpi=off, but no keycodes are emitted. is it possible to use those?
[04:46] <Lure> can one of core-dev's confirm bug 118261
[04:46] <Lure> sorry, wrong channel
[04:52] <mjg59> madduck: Hm, probably. Might just need some coe adding
[04:53] <madduck> mjg59: coe?
[04:54] <madduck> if i can get those buttons to work, there will be no need to use acpi on the x40 and it'll be stable
[04:55] <mjg59> madduck: code
[04:55] <mjg59> Basically, figure out which bits of nvram change when you hit a key and then add keycode generation for them
[04:56] <madduck> i'll see if i can hack it.
[04:56] <madduck> then all i need is some daemon like acpid that can execute scripts in response.
[04:59] <madduck> last question, mjg59: is it at all possible to turn on the external display on the x40 without acpi?
[04:59] <mjg59> Yeah
[05:00] <mjg59> Use latest xserver and intel driver
[05:00] <madduck> ah, true. it's cloned. just tried it.
[05:00] <madduck> sweet
[05:00] <madduck> Fn-F7 is completely unnecessary anyway
[05:00] <mjg59> madduck: Oh, hey, have you still got either of those swiss X40 keyboards?
[05:01] <madduck> yes, i do.
[05:01] <mjg59> I might be interested in one if that's not a problem
[05:01] <madduck> i doubt it's a problem. just let me know when might be turns into "am"
[05:02] <mjg59> Heh. Ok, make it am
[05:02] <mjg59> I'll be at debconf
[05:02] <madduck> ok, will bring you one.
[05:02] <mjg59> Thanks!
[05:02] <madduck> if you take it you get the unique opportunity to witness acpi freezes on the x40 which you've never seen before. :)
[05:02] <mjg59> Oh, wait. Do you have laptop-mode enabled?
[05:03] <madduck> with or without, same thing.
[05:03] <mjg59> Ok
[05:03] <mjg59> Not that, then
[05:03] <mjg59> Hm
[05:03] <mjg59> Very weird
[05:03] <madduck> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=426548
[05:03] <madduck> linked to and from the launchpad bug
[05:04] <madduck> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/12483
[05:04] <mjg59> We certainly had issues with thinkpads and laptop-mode
[05:04] <mjg59> For reasons I could never determine
[05:05] <mjg59> Anyway. Have to head into town now.
[11:35] <freak_show> I have a Thinkpad t43 (ATI graphics) and have installed the restricted drivers
[11:36] <freak_show> Everything works fine on the laptop, but I need a little help getting an external monitor set up.  Is there any UI support for this in Ubuntu or am I going to be editing the x.conf file?