[02:04] <Mithrandir> mdz: should I or you or somebody else approve the specs that have been completed?
[02:09] <mdz> Mithrandir: last I saw, they were all still drafting
[02:10] <lool> the "cleanup" one might be marked as started now that Mithrandir has started writing nice copyrights :)
[02:11] <Mithrandir> mdz: some of them are pending approval, at least the ones I fixed up yesterday.
[02:13] <Mithrandir> and I was planning on nagging the drafters for the rest of them today, since we need to get the project plan done.
[02:23] <Mithrandir> unsure if approval-by-committee is going to work well.
[02:25] <mdz> Mithrandir: agreed re: committee
[02:26] <mdz> Mithrandir: would you take responsibility for reviewing and approving them?
[02:26] <mdz> the ones you didn't write, at least
[02:26] <Mithrandir> yes, I can do that.  Somebody else will have to approve mine.
[02:26] <mdz> I can do yours if you like
[02:26] <Mithrandir> yes, please.
[02:26] <mdz> just send me a list
[02:26] <Mithrandir> email or IRC?
[02:26] <mdz> or set me as the approver (though you'd need to subscribe the team to keep them on the team specs page)
[02:27] <Mithrandir> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-app-framework https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-build-infrastructure are the ones I'm drafting.
[11:33] <bspencer> what is deb-src vs. deb  in the sources.list file?
[11:34] <Mithrandir> hi bob
[11:34] <bspencer> howdy
[11:34] <bspencer> this channel is quiet.  I should change that
[11:34] <Mithrandir> deb-src is what apt-get source uses; deb is what apt-get install uses.
[11:34] <Mithrandir> certainly, more sound is welcome. :-)
[11:35] <bspencer> thx
[11:35] <bspencer> I don't know the nicks yet
[11:35] <bspencer> who is asac?  Is that adilson?
[11:36] <Mithrandir> Asac is Alexander Sack, the mozilla maintainer
[11:36] <bspencer> ah, I knew I recognized it 
[11:36] <Mithrandir> Adilson is another of the mobile people, Adilson Oliveira
[11:36] <Mithrandir> I am, as you might remember, Tollef Fog Heen
[11:37] <bspencer> yes.  just hovered over your nick.
[11:37] <bspencer> going to miss you in CA
[11:37] <bspencer> late there?  11:30pm?
[11:38] <Mithrandir> 23:38
[11:38] <bspencer> :)
[11:38] <Mithrandir> so pondering sleep soonish
[11:38] <Mithrandir> yeah, it's unfortunate I can't be there, but trying to rearrange a vacation would just be too insane.
[11:38] <tko> hmm, anything before 04:00 isn't late... :-P
[11:39] <bspencer> tko are you there all week?
[11:39] <tko> bspencer: trying to
[11:40] <tko> not sure where I'll be staying but I should have the flights booked
[11:41] <bspencer> I just got a hotel yesterday.  Everything takes time.
[11:41] <Mithrandir> bspencer: it's good to see you around here, I was kind worried we lost contact. :-/
[11:41] <bspencer> sorry.  my bad
[11:42] <Mithrandir> no need to feel bad, I'm just happy we've caught up again
[11:43] <bspencer> actually I joined a few times at home but the proxy settings at work weren't obvious and I was lazy to get it sorted out
[11:43] <tko> I just hope we can manage decent transportation.. I gathered everyone else has a car
[11:43] <bspencer> tko, true.  But if you need a ride from your hotel we can pick you up
[11:43] <bspencer> it isn't Europe, no good city-transportation
[11:43] <Mithrandir> ideally, you should stay in the same place, since, as everybody knows the hallway track is the most important one. :-)
[11:44] <bspencer> I think it might be hard with the late timing.  Some of the places I tried only had exective suites left
[11:44] <bspencer> but we'll have the late-night-eating track anyway
[11:45] <tko> bspencer: yeah, I know, I've been to CA once before.. before that I was to boston and the difference is quite noticeable
[11:47] <bspencer> east coast cities seem to have come to the realization that they need to be organized to accomodate everyone.  West coast cities are still in denial
[11:47] <tko> I'm so spoiled by the public transportation in helsinki area :)
[11:47] <bspencer> I love the European trains
[11:47] <bspencer> just spent a month in Germany, Engl, Italy with my wife last summer.  It was great.
[11:48] <Mithrandir> I'm wondering if we'll be able to have a mobile sprint in late august or so
[11:48] <Mithrandir> do you think that would be doable?
[11:48] <bspencer> very
[11:48] <bspencer> on your side of the ocean?
[11:49] <bspencer> we could do something after GUADEC for a day, perhaps.  I think Rusty and i will be there. (UK)
[11:50] <Mithrandir> I'd need to actually book the office, but we have a proper office in Millbank, London, UK with facilities which I'm fairly sure we could use.
[11:51] <bspencer> Either there or Zermatt would be fine with me ;)
[11:54] <Mithrandir> hehe. :-)
[11:54] <Mithrandir> zermatt sounds good too, do you have a facility there?
[11:55] <bspencer> not yet.
[11:58] <Mithrandir> I can mail the list and see if there's interest in having a sprint in the UK in late august?  We'd need to agree on the dates, maybe early september would be better
[11:59] <bspencer> if it isn't adjacent to GUADEC then I would say in Sept and it could be anywhere.  Make it convenient for you because it will be the same difference for us. 
[12:00] <bspencer> Is Sept cutting too close to release?
[12:00] <bspencer> I've never been to Norway
[12:02] <Mithrandir> I like Norway. :-P
[12:02] <Mithrandir> we had a sprint here this winter, it was good.
[12:02] <Mithrandir> not so much in the way of bandwidth trouble, etc.
[12:02] <Mithrandir> early sept is not too bad wrt release, but august might be better.
[12:04] <Mithrandir> I'd be happy to host it here, but it'll cost a bit more than london, and is more hassle to get to than London
[12:06] <bspencer> hmm.. cost more than London?  Inconceivable
[12:06] <bspencer> that place is expensive (at least London was for a US tourist)
[12:07] <bspencer> hotdog = 2.50 pound = $5 USD.   
[12:08] <Mithrandir> Oslo is.. quite expensive too.
[12:08] <tko> I got the impression Norway is quite expensive, even compared to finland
[12:08] <Mithrandir> and here we'd have to use a business hotel to have conference rooms and such, while in London we could use the Canonical offices.
[12:09] <bspencer> I see.  Why not your house? :)
[12:09] <bspencer> s/house/mansion
[12:10] <Mithrandir> it's a flat. :-)  We could use my father's cabin, it can fit some more people.
[12:11] <Mithrandir> but yes, I could possibly arrange meeting space in Oslo too, depending on how many we'd be.
[12:12] <Mithrandir> I'll mail the list and we'll see what people think.
[12:12] <bspencer> maybe we can sort that out on the mailing list.  Intel would have max 5 I think.
[12:13] <bspencer> but maybe after next week we can discuss too, depending on needs  (kernel, UI, apps, etc.) 
[12:14] <Mithrandir> sounds good.