| LaserJock | blueyed: well, if it's a new upstream release I'd rather see the complete new source package | 12:14 |
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| Hobbsee | blueyed: you may want to consider taking the package in debian, and any upload you make to there will sync to ubuntu, assuming the autosyncer is on. | 12:15 |
| LaserJock | debdiffs of new upstream releases can be a bit nasty | 12:15 |
| blueyed | Hobbsee: that seems to be the way to go, but I think it's easier to submit things using Launchpad than the Debian tracker. | 12:15 |
| LaserJock | well | 12:15 |
| LaserJock | you can certianly work from Ubuntu | 12:16 |
| Hobbsee | another email hater? *g* | 12:16 |
| Peaker | LaserJock: isn't that a little dangerous? Anyone can gain some trust by doing some package work, and then sneak in evil modifications? Or are there checks and balances in place to prevent that? | 12:16 |
| blueyed | LaserJock: ok. I would then provide the whole package. I should also contact the current upstream first, of course. | 12:16 |
| LaserJock | and send your packages to the Debian maintainer too | 12:16 |
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| blueyed | Hobbsee: yeah, the main reason :D | 12:16 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 12:16 |
| LaserJock | Peaker: that's what sponsorship is for | 12:16 |
| LaserJock | blueyed: I'm with you on the email thing, Debians BTS hates me | 12:17 |
| Peaker | LaserJock: sponsership prevents someone from sneaking in evil modifications? | 12:17 |
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| LaserJock | Peaker: yes | 12:17 |
| LaserJock | that's the idea anyway | 12:17 |
| blueyed | Another question: if there's a main breakage in a package, is it worth being fixed in -updates? | 12:17 |
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| LaserJock | blueyed: depends on how sever | 12:17 |
| Peaker | LaserJock: Where can I read about Ubuntu's concept of sponsership? | 12:17 |
| LaserJock | Peaker: what's there to read? | 12:18 |
| ajmitch | hi | 12:18 |
| LaserJock | MOTUs sponsor non-MOTUs | 12:18 |
| Peaker | LaserJock: sponsership as I know it is just funding a project, doesn't add up here :) | 12:18 |
| Peaker | LaserJock: but English is not my first language, anyway | 12:18 |
| LaserJock | Peaker: oh, sorry. in this context it means an person that uploads for another | 12:18 |
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| LaserJock | *somebody* with upload rights has to upload | 12:18 |
| Peaker | and there's a pool of trusted sponsers who review the diffs they're uploading? | 12:19 |
| jmg | think of it as your upload being sponsored by another | 12:19 |
| LaserJock | Peaker: those are called MOTU | 12:19 |
| LaserJock | for Universe anyway | 12:19 |
| Peaker | ah, thanks | 12:19 |
| blueyed | LaserJock: I'm talking about bug 88617 - it's the key feature of duplicity and it breaks with Python 2.5. | 12:19 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 88617 in duplicity "incremental backup does not work" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88617 | 12:19 |
| Peaker | and becoming a MOTU is something that doesn't allow sneaking in evil people easily, I suppose | 12:20 |
| LaserJock | Peaker: well, we put our signature on each upload, and our rights are given by the Ubuntu Technical Board | 12:20 |
| LaserJock | Peaker: if you screw up, it get's noticed ;-) | 12:20 |
| blueyed | LaserJock: It would be nice if someone could change "Importance" there, btw. I've already attached a debdiff - without changelog; it's kind of my first. | 12:20 |
| Peaker | LaserJock: could be a silent backdoor or something :) | 12:20 |
| LaserJock | and if you notice there are a lot of MOTU running around, it does take some trust and experience | 12:21 |
| ScottK | keescook: Bug 117988 | 12:21 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 117988 in clamav "Remote attack in OLE parser and PDF handler" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117988 | 12:21 |
| LaserJock | blueyed: hmm, is Medium good? | 12:22 |
| blueyed | LaserJock: for this package, I would consider it "High". | 12:22 |
| blueyed | You always get full backups, because any file gets considered new. | 12:23 |
| pochu | blueyed: you should think that's an Ubuntu bug, not an upstream bug :) | 12:23 |
| pochu | !importance | 12:23 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about importance - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | 12:23 |
| LaserJock | blueyed: done | 12:23 |
| LaserJock | blueyed: I don't think it really matters much, but it makes you feel better :-) | 12:24 |
| keescook | ScottK: heh, wasn't flagged as security. :) fixing that now | 12:24 |
| blueyed | pochu: "Has a severe impact on a non-core application" seems to fit (Medium) | 12:24 |
| blueyed | Thanks, LaserJock. What about uploading this to -updates then? :) | 12:25 |
| LaserJock | blueyed: not quite that easy ;-) | 12:26 |
| LaserJock | blueyed: it needs to be fixed and then it needs to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU | 12:26 |
| LaserJock | *fixed in gutsy | 12:26 |
| pochu | blueyed: yeah, that fits it :) | 12:27 |
| LaserJock | ok, I changed it to Medium, just because I love giving people lots of bugmail ;-) | 12:28 |
| keescook | leonel: looks like you didn't update the debian/patches/00list file, so the patch isn't applied during the build. :( | 12:28 |
| keescook | leonel: do you have any reproducers to test with, btw? | 12:28 |
| leonel | keescook: I patched the source searching for diffs from the new version so I didn't do a patch < patch.diff | 12:29 |
| blueyed | LaserJock: apparently there will be a (much improved) new release in a few days. I'll wait for it and then try to file a SRU. | 12:30 |
| blueyed | THANK YOU ALL! :) | 12:30 |
| keescook | leonel: I'm not sure I understand one, but what I was saying was that "pdf-ole-bugfix.patch.dpatch" was missing from debian/patches/00list | 12:30 |
| leonel | keescook: I did a dpatch-edit-patch pdf-ole-bugfix.patch and in the shell I edited the files only | 12:31 |
| leonel | I didn't touch any other file | 12:31 |
| pochu | blueyed: just FYI, the SRU should be just a fix for the bug, not an entire new release :) | 12:32 |
| keescook | leonel: right, after the dpatch-edit-patch, you need to add your new patch to debian/patches/00list or it gets ignored by dpatch :( | 12:32 |
| pochu | blueyed: But the new release could go to -backports, though. | 12:32 |
| blueyed | pochu: so, for the SRU wouldn't the provided debdiff not be enough? | 12:33 |
| blueyed | (it's against Feisty) | 12:33 |
| leonel | keescook: I did it like squirrelmail without patch system ... | 12:33 |
| leonel | keescook: start over ? | 12:34 |
| leonel | or is there a way to recover from where we are ? | 12:34 |
| keescook | leonel: no need to start over; you just have one missing step :) | 12:34 |
| keescook | two other suggestions: | 12:34 |
| keescook | number the patch (say, 50_...) to match the others | 12:35 |
| keescook | then add it to the debian/patches/00list file | 12:35 |
| pochu | blueyed: looks ok (if it fixes the bug). But as LaserJock said, you should fix Gutsy first :) | 12:36 |
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| leonel | ok I'm in debian/patches | 12:36 |
| keescook | leonel: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PatchingSources "ed: dpatch" | 12:36 |
| leonel | now what do I do ? | 12:36 |
| keescook | I would do this: | 12:36 |
| leonel | ok | 12:36 |
| blueyed | pochu: Gutsy would be fixed by the new release..?! So, should I provide a .debdiff for Gutsy, too - then another one for Feisty (which changelog)? | 12:37 |
| keescook | mv pdf-ole-bugfix.patch.dpatch 50_pdf-ole-bugfix.patch.dpatch; echo "50_pdf-ole-bugfix.patch.dpatch" >> 00list | 12:37 |
| keescook | also, I would change your changelog to conform more to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityUpdateProcedures | 12:37 |
| keescook | maybe like this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23508/ | 12:38 |
| pochu | blueyed: If you're going to fix it with the new upstream release, no need for a debdiff. I thought you were waiting for the new upstream release to backport it to -updates, which isn't possible at all :) | 12:38 |
| leonel | keescook: to edit changelog do I need to run again dch -i ? | 12:41 |
| keescook | leonel: I recommend "dch -e" (edit) vs -i (insert) | 12:42 |
| blueyed | pochu: so, then the current debdiff for feisty seems to be enough for now?! Should I "clean it up", to include a changelog entry? | 12:43 |
| leonel | keescook: done ! | 12:44 |
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| leonel | keescook: now ? debuild -S -uc -us ? | 12:45 |
| keescook | leonel: debuild -uc -us to build it, yes, as before | 12:46 |
| pochu | blueyed: sure, the changelog is a *must* | 12:46 |
| pochu | blueyed: you can use "dch -i", it will create a new entry for you (which you should modify to fit your needs) | 12:47 |
| leonel | dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libbz2-dev libmilter-dev libgmp3-dev libwrap0-dev libcurl3-dev | 12:47 |
| leonel | running with -S | 12:47 |
| keescook | leonel: however you built it before, do that again. :) | 12:47 |
| leonel | debuild -S -uc -us | 12:47 |
| leonel | done | 12:48 |
| keescook | In general, I recommend pbuilder or sbuild | 12:48 |
| leonel | now pbuilder ? | 12:48 |
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| leonel | keescook: pbuilding ... | 12:51 |
| blueyed | Is there a syntax for "Close LP bug"? Could not find anything on the wiki. | 12:51 |
| blueyed | (in changelog) | 12:52 |
| ajmitch | Fixes LP: #12345 | 12:52 |
| ajmitch | or similar | 12:53 |
| ajmitch | I believe it matches on the LP: #number part | 12:53 |
| keescook | ajmitch: I was wondering if the "Fixes " was needed; I swear I did an upload with (LP: #...) and it didn't close. | 12:53 |
| ajmitch | let me check the source | 12:54 |
| ajmitch | while ($f{'Changes'} =~ /lp:\s+\#\d+(?:,\s*\#\d+)*/ig) { | 12:55 |
| ajmitch | just need to unpack that :) | 12:55 |
| ajmitch | so it can take multiple bug numbers | 12:56 |
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| blueyed | On https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU it says "The upload target must be release-proposed" - I think that has been changed, correct? Can I remove this line? | 01:01 |
| pochu | So I'm off to bed, good night MOTUland! | 01:01 |
| blueyed | G'night, pochu! | 01:01 |
| leonel | keescook: pbuilded now debdiff and send again ? | 01:04 |
| blueyed | So I've attached a new debdiff to bug 88617 - can someone sponsor it? | 01:04 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 88617 in duplicity "incremental backup does not work" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88617 | 01:04 |
| keescook | leonel: before sending, see if you can find a "bad" ole2 or pdf file, so you can verify the fix | 01:04 |
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| leonel | keescook: ok | 01:05 |
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| crimsun | hmm | 01:10 |
| crimsun | I think the most recent change to procps just broke our ALSA debugging script. | 01:10 |
| crimsun | I'll just work around it by using sudo, I suppose. | 01:10 |
| keescook | crimsun: ah, was scanning root-owned maps files? | 01:13 |
| crimsun | right | 01:13 |
| crimsun | lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/audio* /dev/mixer* /dev/snd/* | 01:14 |
| crimsun | it's definitely a nice security feature | 01:14 |
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| crimsun | regardless, not an issue we can't work around. | 01:15 |
| keescook | okay, good. I want to be aware of other stuff it could break, so this is a good example; thanks. | 01:15 |
| crimsun | np | 01:16 |
| keescook | crimsun: actually, I don't see a behavior difference? | 01:17 |
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| keescook | how does it break? (I just turned it off, and tried the lsof again with the same output) | 01:18 |
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| crimsun | keescook: I use pulseaudio | 01:18 |
| keescook | ah! | 01:18 |
| crimsun | (via pulseaudio-esound-compat, that is) | 01:19 |
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| leonel | keescook: found a OLE2 file in https://wwws.clamav.net/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=466 tested the builded clamav and all went ok | 01:40 |
| ubotu | wwws.clamav.net bug 466 in libclamav "Denial of service in OLE2 parser" [Blocker,Resolved: fixed] | 01:40 |
| leonel | keescook: leonel@ubuntu:/etc/clamav$ clamscan ~/Desktop/002.pps | 01:41 |
| leonel | /home/leonel/Desktop/002.pps: OK | 01:41 |
| leonel | now waiting for a mail with the a pdf to test since in clamav bugzilla I'm not allowed to get the test pdf ... | 01:41 |
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| AndyP | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentoring/Contributor - shall i change the email address to the new mentors list in the first bullet point? | 02:23 |
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| crimsun | AndyP: yes, please | 02:26 |
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| AndyP | right, that looks a bit better | 02:46 |
| AndyP | sleep time, good night | 02:48 |
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| mwolson | does anyone know who i should contact if i want to start a new "ubuntu-emacs" mailing list? | 02:51 |
| mwolson | i've had several people ask about the existence of one, (akin to debian-emacsen), so i'd like to start one | 02:51 |
| LaserJock | well, mailing lists seem hard to come by these days | 02:52 |
| zakame | hmm, for discussing packaging emacs in ubuntu? | 02:54 |
| zakame | (good morning btw :D) | 02:54 |
| mwolson | zakame: yes, pretty much | 02:54 |
| LaserJock | well, it seems like they don't want mailing lists for development stuff | 02:54 |
| jmg | it doesnt get created by LP when a new team is developed? | 02:54 |
| LaserJock | no | 02:54 |
| mwolson | Emacs Lisp packaging policy would also be discussed on it | 02:54 |
| LaserJock | LP doesn't have mailing lists yet | 02:54 |
| jmg | LaserJock: why dont "they" want mailing lists? | 02:55 |
| StevenK | They being the Canonical Sysadmins | 02:55 |
| jmg | the cabal | 02:55 |
| LaserJock | well, specifically I tried to get ubuntu-tex | 02:55 |
| StevenK | TINC | 02:55 |
| LaserJock | and Matt Zimmerman requested that I not | 02:55 |
| minghua | LaserJock is still bitter about the rejection for ubuntu-tex :-) | 02:55 |
| StevenK | LaserJock: What was mdz's reason? | 02:55 |
| mwolson | that's strange | 02:55 |
| jmg | rationale? | 02:55 |
| LaserJock | because development discussion should be on ubuntu-devel{,discuss} | 02:56 |
| jmg | but thats high traffic | 02:56 |
| LaserJock | he doesn't want to break it up | 02:56 |
| StevenK | It so isn't. | 02:56 |
| jmg | it isnt? | 02:56 |
| jmg | well, d-d is | 02:56 |
| LaserJock | ubuntu-devel is fairly low traffic | 02:56 |
| LaserJock | IMO | 02:56 |
| StevenK | I'm used to debian-devel traffic levels. | 02:56 |
| LaserJock | I would rather have had an ubuntu-tex mailing list | 02:56 |
| minghua | -devel-discuss is probably a bit high, -devel is very manageable | 02:56 |
| LaserJock | but I see Matt's point | 02:57 |
| StevenK | Heck even, debian-project is averaging 50 messages a day at this point. Bloody svenl. | 02:57 |
| jmg | heh | 02:57 |
| minghua | isn't he already banned? | 02:57 |
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| StevenK | Yes. The fallout is still going on. | 02:58 |
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| ajmitch | oh, svenl discussion spills over to here? | 02:58 |
| LaserJock | anyway | 02:59 |
| crimsun | the svenl, heh. | 02:59 |
| LaserJock | mwolson: you can always ask for ubuntu-emacs but I'm thinking your chances of actually getting it aren't great | 02:59 |
| crimsun | hah, so many people have used our ALSA debugging script that pastebin.ca has flagged it as spam | 02:59 |
| jmg | do I want to know? :) | 02:59 |
| LaserJock | I put in for ubuntu-emacs and ubuntu-science and haven't heard anything about them | 03:00 |
| LaserJock | I think Jono is in charge of mailing lists | 03:00 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: My fault. | 03:00 |
| LaserJock | and obviosly he's out traveling the world instead ;-) | 03:00 |
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| _MMA_ | LaserJock: elmo set our up. | 03:00 |
| mwolson | LaserJock: who specifically should i contact in order to try convincing them? | 03:00 |
| _MMA_ | *ours | 03:00 |
| crimsun | _MMA_: US is also a derivative, not a specific component common to all (base and derivs) | 03:01 |
| LaserJock | mwolson: well, I guess you could email ubuntu-devel and get opinions first | 03:01 |
| LaserJock | yeah, special treatment for special derivs | 03:01 |
| mwolson | LaserJock: thanks | 03:01 |
| LaserJock | ;-) | 03:01 |
| _MMA_ | crimsun: I just mentioned it because Im unsure jono handles the lists. | 03:02 |
| LaserJock | I think he might at least be involved with the approval | 03:02 |
| zakame | doesn't debian's policy help? | 03:02 |
| LaserJock | elmo would be the actual one setting it up since he's a sysadmin | 03:02 |
| LaserJock | zakame: help what? | 03:02 |
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| superm1 | ScottK, would you be able to re-ack the changes that crimsun had asked me to make to libhdhomerun? The new revu url is http://revu.tauware.de./details.py?upid=5336. Thanks! | 03:30 |
| mwolson | LaserJock: out of curiosity, how stringent have the membership requirements been for the ubuntu-tex Launchpad group? i'm trying to decide this for ubuntu-emacs | 03:43 |
| mwolson | i.e. developers-only, or was any interested party permitted to join? | 03:44 |
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| joejaxx | anyone else here running native gutsy? | 03:59 |
| ajmitch | of course | 03:59 |
| joejaxx | i was wondering if linux-image-2.6.22-5-generic being broken was not a isolated matter in my case | 04:00 |
| jmg | joejaxx: wfmtm | 04:00 |
| joejaxx | jmg: ? | 04:00 |
| ajmitch | define 'broken' | 04:00 |
| joejaxx | Unpacking linux-image-2.6.22-5-generic (from .../linux-image-2.6.22-5-generic_2.6.22-5.11_i386.deb) ... | 04:01 |
| joejaxx | Error setting debconf flags in linux-image-2.6.22-5-generic/preinst/bootloader-initrd-2.6.22-5-generic: linux-image-2.6.22-5-generic/preinst/bootloader-initrd-2.6.22-5-generic doesn't exist at /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst line 205, <STDIN> line 3. | 04:01 |
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| jmg | works for me tm | 04:02 |
| etank | what would be the recommended way to take a debian .deb file and redo it for Feisty> | 04:02 |
| etank | ? | 04:02 |
| ajmitch | joejaxx: wfm | 04:03 |
| ajmitch | etank: just rebuild it | 04:03 |
| etank | ajmitch: how do you do that? | 04:03 |
| etank | the file is http://packages.debian.org/unstable/editors/scribes | 04:04 |
| ajmitch | simplest method is to add the deb-src line for debian, apt-get build-dep scribes | 04:07 |
| ajmitch | apt-get install build-essential devscripts | 04:07 |
| ajmitch | apt-get source scribes | 04:07 |
| ajmitch | go into the scribes directory, and debuild | 04:07 |
| etank | scribes is not in the ubuntu repos though | 04:08 |
| ajmitch | hence " add the deb-src line for debian" | 04:08 |
| ajmitch | which is something like: | 04:08 |
| ajmitch | deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main | 04:08 |
| etank | you mean in the /etc/apt/sources.list file? | 04:09 |
| LaserJock | mwolson: you know, I started with accepting pretty much everybody | 04:09 |
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| ajmitch | etank: yep | 04:09 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: even people like me? | 04:09 |
| LaserJock | mwolson: I then deactived people without an email address with message that they should send me their email to get reactivated | 04:10 |
| mwolson | *nods* | 04:10 |
| LaserJock | mwolson: so I ended up with 12 people | 04:10 |
| LaserJock | and so far it's mostly been me and Fujitsu | 04:11 |
| minghua | bug 117517 is really a scary bug | 04:11 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 117517 in octave2.9 "octave is linking incorrectly BLAS/ATLAS libraries" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117517 | 04:11 |
| ajmitch | minghua: scary to fix? | 04:11 |
| === minghua should report it to Debian | ||
| === LaserJock looks | ||
| minghua | ajmitch: no, scary as "silently generate wrong result" | 04:11 |
| LaserJock | minghua: yeah, definately send that one upstream | 04:12 |
| ajmitch | *ouch* | 04:12 |
| ajmitch | that's pretty critical for octave | 04:12 |
| minghua | LaserJock: by upstream you mean Debian? | 04:12 |
| mwolson | LaserJock: that membership policy sounds about right to me | 04:12 |
| LaserJock | I'd like to put octave in Main for gutsy | 04:13 |
| LaserJock | minghua: yes | 04:13 |
| LaserJock | mwolson: it depends on what you want to do | 04:13 |
| minghua | LaserJock: yeah, will do once I reproduce it | 04:13 |
| LaserJock | mwolson: I wanted to have testers and bug fixers too | 04:13 |
| StevenK | LaserJock: Because then you can't touch it? :-P | 04:13 |
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| LaserJock | StevenK: well, I plan on going for core-dev in the next few days so no | 04:13 |
| LaserJock | I want to put it in Edubuntu | 04:14 |
| ajmitch | it's a fairly useful program | 04:14 |
| mwolson | LaserJock: i'm also trying to decide whether i should subscribe the group to bugs of various packages; it's hard to figure out what the scope of this thing should be | 04:14 |
| LaserJock | mwolson: you might do a core set of packages | 04:14 |
| LaserJock | mwolson: you probably don't want *everything* emacs related | 04:15 |
| mwolson | yeah, that would be rather large | 04:15 |
| LaserJock | with ubuntu-tex I set us as a bug contact for the packages that debian-tex maintains | 04:15 |
| LaserJock | sort of gives a 1:1 correspondence in the teams | 04:16 |
| etank | ajmitch: i added that line to the source.list but it does not find the deb file for scribes after an update | 04:20 |
| ajmitch | etank: change etch to sid, and you won't be able to get it with apt-get install | 04:21 |
| etank | ajmitch: i was trying to do an aptitude search to see the file | 04:22 |
| ajmitch | right, which won't work | 04:24 |
| etank | but apt-get source will? | 04:26 |
| ajmitch | should do, yes, and will retrieve & unpack into the current directory | 04:26 |
| crimsun | ooh! ooh! More hda-intel screwage. | 04:27 |
| etank | sweet, now that it is sid in the source.list it is working | 04:27 |
| crimsun | sorry, just couldn't curb my enthusiasm. | 04:27 |
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| ajmitch | crimsun: yay! | 04:28 |
| === ajmitch has a wonderful hda-intel-using laptop | ||
| crimsun | whose braindead idea was it to put the friggin modem before the audio codec? Anyhow... | 04:29 |
| ajmitch | dunno, I've never had the modem working in my laptop :) | 04:30 |
| ajmitch | I should probably try & get it going one day | 04:30 |
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| ajmitch | if that's even possible | 04:31 |
| crimsun | should be, though you may need to use non-free/binary-only parts. | 04:31 |
| ajmitch | :0:> less /proc/asound/card0/codec#1 | 04:32 |
| ajmitch | Codec: Conexant ID 2bfa | 04:32 |
| ajmitch | I'd say that's fairly likely | 04:32 |
| crimsun | ah, much love/hate for Conexant. | 04:32 |
| ajmitch | love to hate, I presume | 04:32 |
| etank | ajmitch: just wondering, why doesn't the aptitude search work? | 04:34 |
| ajmitch | because it only searches binary package records | 04:35 |
| ajmitch | which are anything you can install directly, rather than having to compile | 04:35 |
| etank | do i run debuild as root? | 04:36 |
| etank | or with sudo really? | 04:36 |
| LaserJock | as yourself | 04:37 |
| crimsun | i.e., nonprivileged user. | 04:37 |
| crimsun | debuild already handles fakeroot as per necessary | 04:37 |
| etank | dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: dpatch intltool | 04:37 |
| etank | I installed all of the stuff that it was asking for i thought | 04:37 |
| crimsun | well, you do need to install the build-deps from clean:: | 04:37 |
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| crimsun | are you trying to generate a source package or the binaries from the source package? | 04:38 |
| etank | crimsun: i am trying to take a deb package that is available in debian and redo it for feisty | 04:39 |
| minghua | ajmitch, LaserJock: I can't reproduce bug #117517 on Debian, can either of you try for gutsy (or confirm it for feisty)? | 04:39 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 117517 in octave2.9 "octave is linking incorrectly BLAS/ATLAS libraries" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117517 | 04:39 |
| etank | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/editors/scribes to be exact | 04:39 |
| crimsun | etank: I think you really want to use pbuilder. | 04:39 |
| etank | sorry, i've never done any of this before so it is all new to me | 04:40 |
| leonel | well got to go | 04:41 |
| leonel | good night everyone | 04:41 |
| === minghua actually want to ask crimsun about his alsa issue about intel sound card as well... | ||
| === etank is thinking that this is too much for him to do | ||
| crimsun | well look at the time - | 04:42 |
| crimsun | :-) | 04:42 |
| crimsun | minghua: sure, what's up? | 04:42 |
| etank | crimsun: any tips on using pbuilder? | 04:42 |
| minghua | crimsun: I'm using Debian, should I go to #alsa instead? | 04:43 |
| LaserJock | minghua: I can't reproduce on i386 Feisty | 04:43 |
| crimsun | etank: right, use dget with the dsc, and pass the dsc to pbuilder) | 04:43 |
| minghua | LaserJock: probably a 64bit-only problem | 04:43 |
| etank | crimsun: you just soared above my head | 04:43 |
| crimsun | minghua: it'll just be me or wishie answering your question anyway. Pick a channel. | 04:43 |
| crimsun | etank: scribes from Sid? | 04:44 |
| etank | crimsun: yup | 04:44 |
| crimsun | etank: right. dget http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/scribes/scribes_0.3.2.5-2.dsc && pbuilder build scribes_0.3.2.5-2.dsc | 04:44 |
| ajmitch | requires pbuilder to be setup first | 04:45 |
| crimsun | I'm hoping etank is resourceful to the point of installing pbuilder with a package manager and reading its man page. :-) | 04:45 |
| etank | i have pbuilder installed | 04:46 |
| etank | but this is the first time i have ever tried to use it | 04:46 |
| crimsun | right, so first you need to create one. | 04:47 |
| etank | running 'sudo ptuilder create' now | 04:48 |
| effie_jayx | nixternal, hey... | 04:49 |
| nixternal | yo yo | 04:49 |
| ajmitch | hello nixternal | 04:49 |
| etank | hi effie_jayx | 04:49 |
| effie_jayx | nixternal, could you give me a hand? :S | 04:50 |
| nixternal | I can try :) | 04:50 |
| etank | crimsun: so pbuilder uses a chrooted env to build the deb? | 04:50 |
| crimsun | yep. | 04:51 |
| effie_jayx | nixternal, same issue as earlier | 04:51 |
| effie_jayx | :S | 04:51 |
| etank | crimsun: so running the pbuilder create and then the command you showed earlier should work | 04:51 |
| effie_jayx | etank, sup brother | 04:52 |
| effie_jayx | ok nixternal be back in a sec | 04:52 |
| crimsun | etank: if gutsy currently satisfies the build-dependencies at the very least, perhaps. | 04:52 |
| crimsun | At least it's a starting point. | 04:53 |
| nixternal | heh, cool...my brother called me with a windows problem with wmp...I told him to go to hell! :) hahah he is mad at me | 04:53 |
| crimsun | nixternal will be happy to help you with the remaining issues. | 04:53 |
| nixternal | crimsun: hahahahaha | 04:53 |
| nixternal | thanks! | 04:53 |
| crimsun | np! | 04:53 |
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| etank | 'pbuilder create' takes some time | 04:54 |
| ajmitch | etank: yep, the tarball it creates to use for builds is about 80-100MB | 04:54 |
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| crimsun | the link (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing) in the topic is a great starting point. | 04:56 |
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| effie_jayx | nixternal, ok.. I am doing grab-merge | 04:59 |
| effie_jayx | and I will check where the package gets corrupted | 05:00 |
| etank | crimsun: when i do the command that you posted i get a permissions problem | 05:01 |
| crimsun | etank: you probably need sudo prepended. | 05:02 |
| etank | mkdir: cannot create directory `/var/cache/pbuilder/build//12296': Permission denied | 05:02 |
| etank | E: failed to build the directory to chroot | 05:02 |
| crimsun | right. See above. | 05:02 |
| etank | that was with sudo | 05:02 |
| effie_jayx | fakeroot? | 05:03 |
| etank | changed it to dget http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/scribes/scribes_0.3.2.5-2.dsc && sudo pbuilder build scribes_0.3.2.5-2.dsc | 05:05 |
| etank | and it seems to be working | 05:05 |
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| etank | ajmitch and crimsun: no matter what happens here, thanks for all the help | 05:09 |
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| ajmitch | no problem | 05:09 |
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| etank | i tried to do this whole thing with a ./configure; make; checkinstall; but it failed every time | 05:12 |
| etank | the pbuilder finished. where does it place the deb | 05:13 |
| ajmitch | right, checkinstall is a bit of an evil hack | 05:13 |
| etank | or what is the next step | 05:13 |
| ajmitch | in /var/cache/pbuilder/result I think | 05:13 |
| etank | there is a scribes_0.3.2.5-2_all.deb now so i assume that is it | 05:14 |
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| etank | holy cow | 05:18 |
| etank | it freakin worked | 05:18 |
| etank | i now have a .deb file that works with feisty | 05:18 |
| etank | that is soooo cool | 05:18 |
| ajmitch | great | 05:18 |
| minghua | stay away from checkinstall next time :-) | 05:19 |
| etank | sure thing | 05:19 |
| etank | i have been trying to get this done for weeks | 05:19 |
| etank | thanks to all of you again | 05:20 |
| etank | how do you get this in the universe for feisty or feisty+1? | 05:20 |
| ajmitch | it's already in gutsy | 05:20 |
| etank | sweet | 05:20 |
| etank | so i did all this for nothing? :( | 05:21 |
| ajmitch | it was just imported from debian & built on ubuntu, same as you've done | 05:21 |
| etank | except the learning experience of course | 05:21 |
| ajmitch | packages from a newer version (eg gutsy) don't always install on an older version without needing quite a number of other packages | 05:21 |
| etank | still it was very fun to do | 05:21 |
| superm1 | crimsun, would you be able to finish going over that revu from libhdhomerun? I fixed the two things that you had asked and reuploaded. | 05:22 |
| ajmitch | etank: now you can move on to some more difficult tasks & get involved with MOTU :) | 05:23 |
| etank | ajmitch: baby steps here | 05:23 |
| ajmitch | of course | 05:23 |
| ajmitch | we're not going to throw you in the deep end | 05:23 |
| ajmitch | much | 05:23 |
| etank | i am very new to all of this | 05:23 |
| nixternal | etank: hold on to them baby steps, they work for excuses later one :) | 05:23 |
| nixternal | s/one/on | 05:23 |
| nixternal | effie_jayx: are you still having the same issue? what package was that for? | 05:24 |
| etank | what is the best place to start with the motu then? | 05:24 |
| effie_jayx | nixternal, clamav | 05:24 |
| etank | nixternal: noted :) | 05:24 |
| effie_jayx | nixternal, I did a debdiff and I am about tho add the fix to the patch | 05:25 |
| ajmitch | etank: some good stuff on the wiki, we've started a new mentoring program too | 05:26 |
| ajmitch | depends on what you want to do, too | 05:26 |
| ajmitch | like packaging new programs | 05:26 |
| effie_jayx | etank, look at this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Merging | 05:26 |
| etank | ajmitch: my main interest right now is in python (but i'm still learning it) | 05:26 |
| effie_jayx | nixternal, did you find it? | 05:27 |
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| ajmitch | etank: right, there's a lot of python stuff in ubuntu, thankfully | 05:27 |
| etank | ajmitch: i am still learning python though | 05:28 |
| ajmitch | the MOTU team mostly handles packaging, but there are people who are working on writing code for various projects | 05:28 |
| === etank wants to help in any way that he can | ||
| nixternal | effie_jayx: grabbing it now | 05:29 |
| ajmitch | a place to start, is the mentoring area: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentoring/Contributor | 05:29 |
| ajmitch | it has a few good links there | 05:30 |
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| etank | ajmitch: so just so that i understand, all of what is just did is included in gutsy? | 05:32 |
| ajmitch | yep | 05:33 |
| etank | cool | 05:34 |
| ajmitch | new packages in debian since feisty froze for release have been imported into gutsy | 05:34 |
| nixternal | effie_jayx: are you adding a new patch to this merge or are you trying to build out the merge as is? | 05:35 |
| etank | ajmitch: you have been so much help to me tonight ( even if everything done will be in feisty+1 ) | 05:36 |
| etank | i really do appreciate it | 05:36 |
| etank | this is one of the reasons that i LOVE the Ubuntu distro so much | 05:36 |
| effie_jayx | nixternal, I am trying to add the patch to the merge | 05:37 |
| etank | same goes for crimsun | 05:37 |
| effie_jayx | nixternal, I had done it ... but then the package wouldn't build... :S | 05:37 |
| nixternal | effie_jayx: which patch is it? | 05:37 |
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| effie_jayx | nixternal, clamav_0.90.3-1ubuntu1.patch | 05:39 |
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| nixternal | effie_jayx: why are you adding that patch, better yet why are you applying that patch to the source dir created? | 05:40 |
| nixternal | and I see why that patch would have an issue | 05:40 |
| nixternal | "datos est<E9> al d<ED>a. | 05:40 |
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| effie_jayx | nixternal, well I haven't touched the patch yet | 05:42 |
| nixternal | it is that whole "ascii character" thing...if you look at the patch in vi or emacs compared to looking at the patch with less..you will see it | 05:42 |
| effie_jayx | nixternal, I have to fix clamav-daemon.init.in with the change | 05:42 |
| effie_jayx | nixternal, should I use vi? | 05:42 |
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| etank | crimsun and ajmitch: i hope that you don't mind but i just made a post to mu blog about the help that you have provided to me tonight. It was all good. | 05:55 |
| ajmitch | fine by me :) | 05:55 |
| etank | the two of you (in my mind) embody what makes ubuntu such a great distro to contribut my time and effort to. | 05:56 |
| ajmitch | some of us live here, so you'll probably find help most hours of the day | 05:56 |
| nixternal | effie_jayx: with that patch, you need to remove all of the /po stuff in order for it to work...I don't know exactly why that stuff gets in there..but it was the same issue I had with the courier package | 05:56 |
| etank | ajmitch: im on most of the time too (just not in this channel) | 05:56 |
| nixternal | if you look at the Ubuntu patch, it has po changes to remove 2007 dates and replace them with 2005 dates | 05:57 |
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| nixternal | that sounds like regression from Debian to me ;) | 05:57 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: uh oh, what now? :) | 05:57 |
| nixternal | LaserJock: heh, slow down, you are making me look bad | 05:57 |
| effie_jayx | nixternal, mmmm | 05:57 |
| ajmitch | nixternal: he's taking over | 05:57 |
| nixternal | heh, it is all apart of his world domination, and we aren't included | 05:58 |
| nixternal | grrr | 05:58 |
| LaserJock | *cough* yeah right *cough* | 05:58 |
| effie_jayx | nixternal, strange how ScottK worked it out ok no need for date change | 05:59 |
| nixternal | ScottK: did you remove the /po stuff from the ubuntu patch for clamav? | 05:59 |
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| LaserJock | nixternal: Fridge is easier then I thought it was, I should have done this a long time ago | 06:04 |
| effie_jayx | nixternal, same issue ... :S | 06:04 |
| effie_jayx | nixternal, I can't see the chars you are telling me about ... the patch I did not touch... | 06:04 |
| nixternal | effie_jayx: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23540/ | 06:05 |
| nixternal | effie_jayx: if you look at the clamav_0.93.3-1ubuntu1.patch there are po files in there | 06:06 |
| nixternal | those are what is causing the issue | 06:06 |
| nixternal | ahh, pastebin shows the correct char with a ? instead | 06:06 |
| nixternal | but still, you can see a different just by viewing the patch with 2 different commands | 06:06 |
| effie_jayx | yeah | 06:07 |
| nixternal | it was the same issue with courier...we had to remove the po/ references in order for it to build correctly | 06:07 |
| nixternal | man...I have freakin' split screen term, I could have just screenshotted that one :) | 06:07 |
| Hobbsee | OMG crack! | 06:07 |
| Hobbsee | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2756004#post2756004 | 06:07 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee's awake again :) | 06:08 |
| Hobbsee | yeah | 06:08 |
| ajmitch | actually the kernel team will probably say that the kernel is one thing that can be used on feisty with few problems | 06:08 |
| ajmitch | 16:35 < BenC> jmg: here's a better idea, just install the gutsy kernel on feisty | 06:09 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 06:09 |
| ajmitch | 16:35 < BenC> I wouldn't tell you to do it if it would break :) | 06:09 |
| ajmitch | so not really *that* crackful | 06:09 |
| Hobbsee | hmmm | 06:09 |
| ajmitch | though I'm surprised that anything depended on libc6 | 06:10 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 06:10 |
| effie_jayx | nixternal, I am so frustrated :S | 06:10 |
| ajmitch | ah, linux-headers-2.6.22-5-generic does | 06:11 |
| nixternal | effie_jayx: http://www.nixternal.com/tmp/foobar.jpg | 06:11 |
| nixternal | there, better reprsentation of what I was talking about | 06:11 |
| effie_jayx | nixternal, I can see that... | 06:13 |
| effie_jayx | but mine does not have the spanish text on it... so therefor no issues there | 06:13 |
| nixternal | orly | 06:13 |
| effie_jayx | orly? | 06:14 |
| nixternal | oh really :) | 06:14 |
| effie_jayx | ajam | 06:14 |
| effie_jayx | where did you get that file? | 06:14 |
| nixternal | hehe | 06:14 |
| nixternal | clamav_0.90.3-1ubuntu1.patch | 06:14 |
| nixternal | got it from grabmerge | 06:15 |
| effie_jayx | i'm pasting mine... | 06:15 |
| effie_jayx | nixternal, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23541/ | 06:16 |
| effie_jayx | that's my file | 06:16 |
| nixternal | hrmm | 06:17 |
| nixternal | your patch is way different than mine | 06:18 |
| === nixternal restarts clamav | ||
| nixternal | err, grabmerge clamav | 06:18 |
| effie_jayx | nixternal, :S hehehe | 06:20 |
| effie_jayx | and I thought this was going to be piece of cake... | 06:20 |
| nixternal | wth...so why do I get a different patch than you do? | 06:21 |
| nixternal | I must be missing some locales or something...my config isn't right | 06:21 |
| effie_jayx | it's probably mine | 06:22 |
| effie_jayx | nixternal, http://dad.dunnewind.net/universe.php ???? | 06:22 |
| nixternal | well this is the 2nd package I have noticed this with, and I think ScottK noticed the same with courier | 06:22 |
| nixternal | are you grabbing from dad? | 06:23 |
| nixternal | hah, I am grabbing from mom | 06:23 |
| === nixternal pictures the people who run across the log for this conversation | ||
| === Hobbsee doenst trust dad | ||
| nixternal | heh, hahahahahahahahaha | 06:24 |
| ajmitch | someone please restrain nixternal | 06:25 |
| nixternal | man...I couldn't | 06:25 |
| nixternal | I became "one of those people who have no idea what the conversation is about" right there | 06:25 |
| effie_jayx | nixternal, ScottK suggested DaD | 06:25 |
| nixternal | Hobbsee: if some self-help group comes across the log, they will be emailing you | 06:25 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: heh | 06:25 |
| Hobbsee | hooray, more email | 06:25 |
| nixternal | hahah | 06:25 |
| nixternal | I am going to try DaD now | 06:26 |
| nixternal | dad is quite sloooow | 06:28 |
| effie_jayx | nixternal, :S | 06:28 |
| effie_jayx | people say | 06:29 |
| effie_jayx | this is all about the learning curve... | 06:29 |
| effie_jayx | But BOY did I get the Nolan Ryan Curve.... | 06:29 |
| nixternal | ya, totally different downloads between mom and dad | 06:29 |
| effie_jayx | nixternal, can you try building the one you are downloading? | 06:31 |
| nixternal | will do right now | 06:31 |
| nixternal | running in pbuilder right now | 06:31 |
| effie_jayx | nixternal, cool | 06:32 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: do we need ~ubuntu-meninwhitecoats ? | 06:32 |
| LaserJock | just to keep nixternal down to managable levels | 06:33 |
| nixternal | whoa whoa now...what did I do to deserve that one? | 06:33 |
| nixternal | ;p | 06:33 |
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| nixternal | and what is up with the "meninwhitecoats" today? that is the 2nd time I have seen such reference | 06:33 |
| nixternal | it built fine here | 06:34 |
| nixternal | clamav build fairly quick...wasn't expecting that | 06:35 |
| effie_jayx | nixternal, ok ok ok .... what did I do wrong? | 06:35 |
| LaserJock | nixternal: well, I could say that you would be a magnet for such comments, but I don't know | 06:35 |
| nixternal | oooh, funny tonight are we ? :P | 06:35 |
| ajmitch | that would be mean | 06:35 |
| nixternal | ajmitch: awww, like you really care ;) | 06:36 |
| LaserJock | nixternal: don't make me threaten you with a Fridge story ;-) | 06:36 |
| nixternal | man, that would have been great to do that Adam Sandler style | 06:36 |
| effie_jayx | nixternal, let's run through it shall we? | 06:36 |
| ajmitch | nixternal: I do, really | 06:36 |
| nixternal | LaserJock: don't make me delete your account! | 06:36 |
| nixternal | booyah! | 06:36 |
| LaserJock | I could delete yours first so :p | 06:36 |
| effie_jayx | nixternal, you went ahead and build without the changes? | 06:36 |
| nixternal | shoot, actually I think you could delete mine too | 06:36 |
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| nixternal | effie_jayx: I build straight from the .dsc file downloaded | 06:37 |
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| effie_jayx | mmmmmm | 06:39 |
| nixternal | all you need to do with the ubuntu patch is verified that it has been applied correctly...the file you download has it already implemented | 06:40 |
| effie_jayx | then no changes needed? | 06:40 |
| nixternal | nope | 06:40 |
| effie_jayx | ok | 06:40 |
| nixternal | just verify that all changes from the patch are complete, and then fix up the changelog and you are good to go | 06:40 |
| effie_jayx | gotcha | 06:41 |
| effie_jayx | nixternal, but I don't get one thing | 06:43 |
| nixternal | what's that? | 06:43 |
| nixternal | don't feel bad, I don't get anything...I play it by ear until the trinity tells me to cram it | 06:43 |
| jussi01 | morning all!! | 06:43 |
| nixternal | 17 minutes until I can call it morning here :) but, good morning there jussi01 | 06:44 |
| jussi01 | hello nixternal | 06:44 |
| jussi01 | 7.44 am here | 06:44 |
| effie_jayx | nixternal, check this .diff http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23543/ | 06:45 |
| effie_jayx | the last line tells me I should check for that change | 06:45 |
| effie_jayx | in that file | 06:45 |
| nixternal | i see stop) as the last line | 06:46 |
| === jussi01 just uploaded his latest offering to revu, if someone is kind enough to take a look?? | ||
| === nixternal points at ajmitch, LaserJock, and crimsun | ||
| nixternal | otherwise known as the TRINITY | 06:47 |
| jussi01 | hehe :D | 06:47 |
| ajmitch | nixternal: sorry, I'm not | 06:47 |
| jussi01 | well the latest URL is: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5337 (mnemosyne) - enjoy... :D | 06:49 |
| LaserJock | hmm, isn't the trinity crimsun ajmitch and crimsun? | 06:51 |
| effie_jayx | nixternal, I check if the change was added and it wasn't | 06:51 |
| jussi01 | LaserJock: lol | 06:51 |
| nixternal | ahhh | 06:51 |
| nixternal | let me look at it | 06:51 |
| effie_jayx | check patch ... last lines | 06:51 |
| jussi01 | LaserJock: I thought it was more crimsun crimsun and crimsun... :P | 06:52 |
| LaserJock | good point | 06:52 |
| nixternal | effie_jayx: rock on with your bad self...great eyes on that one | 06:52 |
| effie_jayx | nixternal, ok make the change and try to build and see | 06:53 |
| nixternal | pbuilder going right now on it | 06:54 |
| nixternal | hrmm | 06:54 |
| === nixternal checks mom's output | ||
| effie_jayx | nixternal, did it break? | 06:56 |
| nixternal | no it didn't | 06:57 |
| nixternal | it just finished right as you asked | 06:57 |
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| freeflying | anyone know how to use requestsync | 07:07 |
| Hobbsee | freeflying: requestsync packagename release that you want to sync to | 07:11 |
| freeflying | Hobbsee: I've never made it work for me | 07:12 |
| Hobbsee | why not? | 07:15 |
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| LaserJock | can a Universe source package produces a Main binary? | 07:20 |
| LaserJock | *produce | 07:20 |
| StevenK | Nope. | 07:20 |
| LaserJock | didn't think so | 07:20 |
| StevenK | The source would need to be promoted. | 07:20 |
| LaserJock | I new that a Main source could produce a Universe binary | 07:20 |
| LaserJock | just wondered if it could go the other way ;-) | 07:21 |
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| mruiz | G'day all | 09:36 |
| dholbach | good morning | 09:37 |
| dholbach | hi mruiz | 09:37 |
| mruiz | hi dholbach | 09:37 |
| jussi01 | good morning dholbach | 09:37 |
| dholbach | hi jussi01 | 09:37 |
| jussi01 | dholbach: are you busy? | 09:38 |
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| dholbach | jussi01: always :-) | 09:38 |
| dholbach | jussi01: what do you have for me :) | 09:38 |
| dholbach | ? | 09:38 |
| jussi01 | dholbach: just need a review sometime, if youve got a min... | 09:39 |
| jussi01 | dholbach: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5337 | 09:39 |
| jussi01 | its almost ready/ready... (hopefully) | 09:39 |
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| dholbach | looking at it in a bit | 09:39 |
| jussi01 | dholbach: thanks :D | 09:40 |
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| mruiz | dholbach: I sent you an email about my first merge :-) | 09:42 |
| dholbach | I'm triaging my inbox at the moment - so please hold on :) | 09:43 |
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| nixternal | heh, triaging the inbox..that is a new one | 09:47 |
| jussi01 | lol, i like it... :d | 09:48 |
| crimsun | only 500 new emails to read since midnight. | 09:48 |
| crimsun | (that's 3h48m ago) | 09:48 |
| jussi01 | crimsun: ouch | 09:48 |
| Lutin | crimsun: woot | 09:48 |
| === jussi01 thinks crimsun has too much work being all three of the trinity.... | ||
| nixternal | ya, I am not feeling the pain of that many emails. I maybe between 500 and a 1000 a day, but not 500 in a few hours...to many bug reports | 09:49 |
| crimsun | actually I think the trinity are asleep | 09:49 |
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| jussi01 | crimsun: read back ~3 hours... | 09:49 |
| crimsun | I find it humorous that the influx of sound bugs is so great that we had to use a bash script to cull all the info to be pastebinned, and now three pastebin web sites have blacklisted the script as spam | 09:50 |
| jussi01 | lol | 09:50 |
| nixternal | lol | 09:51 |
| nixternal | hahahahahahaha....don't worry...Phil Bull made a script that would check for broken links in the docs..and got my IP blacklisted by kde*.* | 09:51 |
| dholbach | jussi01: it has my ok, only small bits i complained about | 10:05 |
| mdz | jmg: ubuntu-devel is a moderated list for everyone who isn't an Ubuntu developer, so it's very high S/N | 10:11 |
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| fargiolas | do ubuntu backports include new packages that entered gutsy? or they just include new versions of feisty packages? | 10:17 |
| crimsun | they can include the former, though they are generally the latter. | 10:17 |
| fargiolas | thanks :) | 10:19 |
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| sacater | imbrandon: ping | 10:50 |
| imbrandon | sacater: You sent me a contentless ping. This is a contentless pong. Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I am around. | 10:50 |
| sacater | imbrandon: ping | 10:50 |
| sacater | okay... | 10:50 |
| sacater | imbrandon: ping, how about that server? | 10:50 |
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| crimsun | that's odd. All my vorbis comments are _gone_ in gutsy's rhythmbox. | 10:54 |
| Fujitsu | crimsun: Duh. Rhythmbox eats children. | 10:54 |
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| jussi01 | dholbach: thank you. do I need to correct those? | 11:09 |
| dholbach | no, they're harmless - you get beauty points for fixing them, but it wouldn't block an upload :) | 11:11 |
| jussi01 | dholbach: ok :D if I re-upload with those changes, will you re-advocate? | 11:12 |
| dholbach | of course | 11:12 |
| dholbach | just give me the link if you've done so | 11:13 |
| sacater | how is gutsy btw | 11:15 |
| sacater | anyone here using it> | 11:15 |
| sacater | stable enough yet? | 11:15 |
| Fujitsu | I've been using it for over a month. | 11:16 |
| Fujitsu | It works. | 11:16 |
| sacater | Fujitsu: do i just need to change 'feisty' in sources.list to 'gutsy'? | 11:17 |
| Fujitsu | Don't do it unless you really know how to resolve explosions. | 11:17 |
| sacater | or can i use software sources | 11:17 |
| sacater | oh | 11:17 |
| sacater | well.. | 11:17 |
| DarkMageZ | anything cool in gutsy yet which will interest the users? or just low level stuff like the kernel | 11:18 |
| sacater | ill wait for the tribes :P | 11:18 |
| jussi01 | dholbach: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5339 | 11:19 |
| dholbach | jussi01: done | 11:21 |
| jussi01 | dholbach: thanks | 11:21 |
| jussi01 | anyone else? I need 1 more +1... :D | 11:21 |
| dholbach | is anybody going to package ubuntu-dev-tools? | 11:24 |
| === dholbach will add packaging to it | ||
| geser | I might give it a try if nobody else want to | 11:25 |
| dholbach | geser: I'd like to make it GPL, but we need to mail people for that and ask which license they want to put their tool under | 11:25 |
| crimsun | jussi01: LICENSE has an obsolete mailing address for the FSF. It's not "675 Mass Ave, Cambridge, MA 02139, USA" but "51 Franklin Street, Fifth Floor, Boston, MA 02110-1301 USA" | 11:26 |
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| DarkSun88 | Hi all | 11:27 |
| geser | dholbach: I'm currently visiting LinuxTag so I won't start working on it before next week | 11:27 |
| dholbach | geser: ok, I add some preliminary packaging to it | 11:27 |
| dholbach | geser: and I'll mail everybody involved | 11:27 |
| StevenK | geser: Does that mean your merges are up for grabs? :-) | 11:28 |
| jussi01 | crimsun: hmmm, that file came from upstream, can I change it? | 11:28 |
| geser | StevenK: if you want some, take it | 11:28 |
| crimsun | jussi01: you may change that address. | 11:28 |
| jussi01 | crimsun: anything else before I upload? | 11:29 |
| crimsun | dang, I don't read _that_ fast | 11:30 |
| jussi01 | hehe :D | 11:30 |
| crimsun | jussi01: looks good! I recommend omitting the leading article 'A' from the Description in debian/control | 11:34 |
| jussi01 | crimsun: ok, Im just uploading the new version | 11:35 |
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| jussi01 | crimsun: dholbach http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5340 | 11:37 |
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| dholbach | I added initial packaging to ubuntu-dev-tools - please: if you contributed anything, please add yourself to AUTHORS and please let me know if GPL is NOT ok for you | 11:47 |
| === dholbach writes to ubuntu-motu@ too | ||
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| TheMuso | dholbach: ah thanks for the heads up. | 11:50 |
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| imbrandon | hey Hobbsee TheMuso dholbach | 12:02 |
| imbrandon | and crimsun geser | 12:03 |
| mruiz | hey dholbach! | 12:04 |
| dholbach | hello mruiz | 12:04 |
| mruiz | dholbach: comments about my merge? | 12:06 |
| dholbach | looking at it now | 12:07 |
| jussi01 | dholbach: If you missed it earlier, I need a re-advocation, as crimsun raised a few small issues... (fixed now):D | 12:07 |
| dholbach | i'll upload it now | 12:08 |
| dholbach | it#s good to go | 12:08 |
| mruiz | dholbach: these comments are for me? | 12:08 |
| dholbach | mruiz: no | 12:08 |
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| jussi01 | :D | 12:09 |
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| dholbach | jussi01: uploaded | 12:15 |
| jussi01 | dholbach: thanks!! :D:D | 12:15 |
| crimsun | nice work! | 12:16 |
| dholbach | hrm | 12:16 |
| dholbach | why did mruiz leave again? | 12:16 |
| === dholbach mails him | ||
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| cbx33 | hey guys | 12:16 |
| crimsun | 'lo/bye imbrandon (->work) | 12:16 |
| highvoltage | hey cbx33 | 12:16 |
| cbx33 | anyone ever managed to screencast a live desktop session? | 12:16 |
| cbx33 | i want to do some lessons | 12:16 |
| cbx33 | for people to learn basic programming | 12:17 |
| popey | you want to share your desktop over a lan? | 12:17 |
| cbx33 | over t-internet | 12:17 |
| popey | you could just use vnc in read-only mode? | 12:17 |
| popey | erk | 12:17 |
| popey | you have good upstream bandwidth? | 12:17 |
| cbx33 | i want people to be able to see what I'm doing on a crappy machine | 12:17 |
| cbx33 | well my idea | 12:17 |
| popey | how about using a web service like GoToMyPC? | 12:17 |
| joejaxx | popey: live image is 188mb btw :) | 12:17 |
| cbx33 | was to transcode it on the lan | 12:17 |
| popey | \o/ joejaxx | 12:17 |
| highvoltage | cbx33: screen -x ? | 12:18 |
| highvoltage | (well, for vim/python that could work, at least) | 12:18 |
| popey | you could run a telnet server that automagically runs screen for them - so when they telnet in they get to your session | 12:19 |
| popey | then people don't need anything other than a decent telnet client | 12:19 |
| popey | paste urls to code samples for them | 12:19 |
| cbx33 | well trouble is I may want to teach gui stuff too | 12:19 |
| popey | they can download and do stuff locally | 12:19 |
| cbx33 | was gonna be in an IRC channel so they could ask questions too | 12:20 |
| cbx33 | i really want to explain stuff as I go along | 12:20 |
| popey | you can do split screen in "screen" | 12:20 |
| popey | so have irc on part of it, and your editor on the rest | 12:20 |
| cbx33 | but i couldn't do gui stuff | 12:20 |
| popey | how much is gui stuff? | 12:20 |
| cbx33 | well i dunno | 12:20 |
| cbx33 | extending from the google video one i did | 12:21 |
| popey | https://www.gotomeeting.com/ | 12:21 |
| popey | try that | 12:21 |
| popey | try it now and I will join you | 12:21 |
| popey | the other option would be to run x on a remote server (say a vps for example) and get people to vnc in | 12:21 |
| cbx33 | i probably can't do it from here | 12:22 |
| popey | that gets around the bandwidth issue | 12:22 |
| popey | do you _have_ to do it from where you are? | 12:22 |
| cbx33 | hmmm | 12:22 |
| cbx33 | no no | 12:22 |
| popey | your connection blows goats | 12:22 |
| cbx33 | it will be done from home | 12:22 |
| popey | I have proof | 12:22 |
| popey | in which case you need something with low upstream requirement | 12:22 |
| cbx33 | yes | 12:23 |
| cbx33 | i think my upstream is pretty poor | 12:23 |
| popey | or as I say, put the x server on a server in telehouse :) | 12:23 |
| cbx33 | haha | 12:23 |
| cbx33 | yeh and how am I gonna do that | 12:23 |
| cbx33 | ;) | 12:23 |
| popey | well :) | 12:23 |
| popey | lets say for example you had a virtual server.. you could install x on it then use xdmcp to connect to it remotely and then your students connect via read-only vnc? | 12:24 |
| cbx33 | hmm | 12:24 |
| popey | ustream.tv would be ideal though | 12:24 |
| popey | the infrastructure is there | 12:24 |
| cbx33 | yeh | 12:24 |
| popey | just need to get your desktop video to be recognised by flash | 12:24 |
| cbx33 | that sounds like a good way of doing it | 12:24 |
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| popey | I am sure that's do-able | 12:24 |
| cbx33 | why? | 12:25 |
| popey | low barrier to entry, has a chat box | 12:25 |
| popey | does audio | 12:25 |
| popey | why what? | 12:25 |
| cbx33 | get it recognised by flash? | 12:25 |
| popey | ustream uses flash to do the upstream from you | 12:25 |
| popey | which is taken by the flash plugin from your web cam and microphone | 12:25 |
| popey | but if you can get the flash plugin to use something other than the webcam.. | 12:25 |
| cbx33 | i just need to pipe the screen output to the dev/video | 12:26 |
| popey | exactly | 12:26 |
| popey | or get flash to use some other /dev/foo | 12:26 |
| === popey will have a play | ||
| cbx33 | yeh | 12:26 |
| popey | i have a ustream account and a machine here on unfettered net | 12:26 |
| cbx33 | oooh that must be nice | 12:26 |
| === cbx33 needs to find some friends in high places | ||
| === highvoltage had some friends that are high some times | ||
| === cbx33 used to when he was in a punk band | ||
| cbx33 | it's a definitely interesting area | 12:29 |
| cbx33 | maybe a hardware hack ;) | 12:31 |
| cbx33 | hackup a webcam to get it's video from a vga out ;) | 12:31 |
| cbx33 | heheh | 12:31 |
| popey | or just point the webcam at the screen | 12:34 |
| popey | ultimate hack | 12:34 |
| cbx33 | well i did think about that | 12:34 |
| popey | obviously a different screen | 12:34 |
| cbx33 | but it's not very professional | 12:34 |
| popey | my webcam only does a max of 640x480 | 12:34 |
| popey | and ustream compresses in the flash | 12:34 |
| popey | it can look very good, but equally can look quite dire and choppy | 12:34 |
| cbx33 | maybe it's just not possible | 12:34 |
| cbx33 | maybe what I want to do isn't a reality yet | 12:34 |
| popey | i wouldn't give up so easy | 12:35 |
| cbx33 | I'm not going to | 12:35 |
| cbx33 | :p | 12:35 |
| popey | everyone said ustream was great but wouldn't work in linux - then i tried it and it does :) | 12:35 |
| cbx33 | hah | 12:35 |
| popey | you may be surprised what you can achieve | 12:35 |
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| popey | I still think gotomeeting is a better bet | 12:37 |
| popey | it's payware but you don't have to do anything - all the infrastructure is there | 12:37 |
| cbx33 | but i can't afford to do it | 12:41 |
| cbx33 | hehe | 12:41 |
| cbx33 | this is an open source venture :p | 12:41 |
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| joejaxx | Good Morning All | 12:44 |
| popey | morning joejaxx | 12:48 |
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| dholbach | I added a README to ubuntu-dev-tools too | 12:53 |
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| tsmithe | so - could someone review wired for me? | 01:23 |
| tsmithe | it seems a bit stagnant in debian mentors, so i think i'll get it into ubuntu | 01:23 |
| tsmithe | first | 01:23 |
| man-di | tsmithe: I'm on it | 01:23 |
| man-di | as we talked yesterday | 01:24 |
| tsmithe | ah yes | 01:24 |
| === tsmithe completely forget | ||
| tsmithe | totally tired | 01:24 |
| man-di | you will get a mail later when I'm back home from work | 01:24 |
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| tsmithe | thanks ever so much :) | 01:25 |
| tsmithe | apologies :) | 01:25 |
| man-di | tsmithe: np | 01:25 |
| tsmithe | :) | 01:25 |
| jussi01 | can someone recomend a blog website for me? something good, reliable, has a template and most of all free...?? (now dont be shy, I know you all have blogs...) | 01:27 |
| === cbx33 uses wordpress | ||
| joejaxx | wordpress.com? | 01:28 |
| cbx33 | well i host mine | 01:29 |
| cbx33 | but yes | 01:29 |
| cbx33 | that's one option | 01:29 |
| === Hobbsee likes wordpress | ||
| highvoltage | jussi01: wordpress and blogspot seem to be the most popular | 01:29 |
| === cbx33 too | ||
| === highvoltage uses wordpress too | ||
| cbx33 | it's great and easy to write extensions for | 01:30 |
| jussi01 | ok, thanks lads and lady(ies)? Ill look into it :D | 01:30 |
| tsmithe | wordpress.com | 01:31 |
| joejaxx | tsmithe: you are late :P | 01:31 |
| tsmithe | pah | 01:31 |
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| pochu | Hobbsee: cheers! | 01:36 |
| Hobbsee | pochu: :) | 01:37 |
| ScottK | Hobbsee: Congratulations | 01:41 |
| Hobbsee | thankyou :) | 01:41 |
| bashelier | hey tsmithe :) | 01:42 |
| bashelier | tsmithe: (I used to review your package by mail) | 01:42 |
| === joejaxx wonders what all the excitement is about | ||
| Fujitsu | Congrats, Hobbsee. | 01:42 |
| joejaxx | what happened? | 01:43 |
| Fujitsu | core-devness was bestowed upon Hobbsee. | 01:43 |
| joejaxx | :O | 01:43 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 01:43 |
| joejaxx | Hobbsee: Congrats :D | 01:43 |
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| Hobbsee | :) thankyou | 01:44 |
| tsmithe | Hobbsee: congratualations | 01:44 |
| Hobbsee | thankyou :) | 01:44 |
| tsmithe | i was gonna post to -devel, but i didn't wanna spammage. tho i don't think a congrat is spam. | 01:44 |
| tsmithe | meh | 01:44 |
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| === jussi01 comes back from doing the dishes... Congrats Hobbsee!!! | ||
| Hobbsee | thanks jussi01 :) | 01:49 |
| jussi01 | :D | 01:51 |
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| effie_jayx | nixternal, it builds... | 01:59 |
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| xxxxx1 | morning people! | 02:14 |
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| ajmitch | hi | 02:15 |
| sp4rKy | nixternal: around ? | 02:16 |
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| fernando | moin all | 02:29 |
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| jku | can someone explain why debian/rules has foo and foo-stamp (e.g. configure and configure-stamp)? | 02:39 |
| jku | I'm looking at some example packages and in some configure requires configure-stamp, and in another it's the other way round? | 02:40 |
| jku | ...alternatively please point me to a better channel if this was inappropriate | 02:42 |
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| xxxxx1 | jku: did you read maint-guide? | 02:49 |
| xxxxx1 | jku: in your example, you have configure and its child 'configure-stamp', right? | 02:50 |
| jku | as in "debian new maintainers' guide"? sure. | 02:50 |
| xxxxx1 | ok | 02:50 |
| xxxxx1 | jku: let me try to explain | 02:50 |
| jku | i'd appreciate it | 02:51 |
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| xxxxx1 | jku: in more complex rules, maybe you need to patch before run configure or do something | 02:51 |
| jku | or run autogen.sh? | 02:52 |
| xxxxx1 | jku: so, configure entry can call patch and configure-stamp | 02:53 |
| xxxxx1 | you can put you configure params in configure-stamp too. | 02:53 |
| xxxxx1 | like | 02:53 |
| xxxxx1 | configure: patch configure-stamp | 02:53 |
| xxxxx1 | configure-stamp: | 02:53 |
| xxxxx1 | dh_testdir | 02:53 |
| xxxxx1 | CC="$(CC)" CFLAGS="$(CFLAGS)" ./configure \ | 02:54 |
| xxxxx1 | --prefix=/usr \ | 02:54 |
| xxxxx1 | ... | 02:54 |
| xxxxx1 | touch $@ | 02:54 |
| xxxxx1 | with stamp | 02:54 |
| xxxxx1 | you know what they rules do | 02:54 |
| xxxxx1 | (sorry about my english) :) | 02:55 |
| jku | ok, so when I'm looking at /usr/share/doc/autotools-dev/examples/rules.gz (which shows an example of packaging autotools-using software) and I see this: | 02:55 |
| xxxxx1 | so, in 'clean' you should add a rm -f configure-stamp and so on.. | 02:55 |
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| jku | configure: | 02:55 |
| jku | chmod +x debian/autogen.sh | 02:56 |
| jku | debian/autogen.sh | 02:56 |
| jku | configure-stamp: patch-stamp configure | 02:56 |
| jku | ...the rest of configure-stuff | 02:56 |
| jku | it's using the targets in the opposite order? | 02:57 |
| xxxxx1 | well, is not normal this use. because you call first 'configure' | 02:57 |
| xxxxx1 | configure should call configure-stamp | 02:57 |
| xxxxx1 | and not reverse | 02:57 |
| xxxxx1 | :) | 02:57 |
| xxxxx1 | did you see debhelper sample? | 02:58 |
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| jku | link? | 02:58 |
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| xxxxx1 | hmm | 02:58 |
| frandavid100 | Hi | 02:58 |
| xxxxx1 | jku: apt-get source hello-debhelper | 02:59 |
| frandavid100 | I've been trying to compile this program http://gendesign.sourceforge.net/screenshot.html in Ubuntu since the day before yesterday | 02:59 |
| frandavid100 | but I haven't been able to get a working deb, can you guys give me a hand? | 02:59 |
| jku | xxxxx1, I think I've read them, but I'll look and come back. Thanks for the help | 02:59 |
| xxxxx1 | jku: oh, sorry. hello-debhelper don't use stamp :> but you can try dh_make in some .tar.gz code to create the templates. | 03:00 |
| xxxxx1 | jku: ah | 03:01 |
| xxxxx1 | jku: /usr/share/doc/debhelper/examples | 03:01 |
| xxxxx1 | jku: ;) | 03:01 |
| xxxxx1 | easy way | 03:01 |
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| AndyP | frandavid100: feel free to ask more specific questions about the problem, and someone might answer if they know | 03:03 |
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| frandavid100 | thanks andy: I did manage to create an installable .deb by following the building instructions and using checkinstall, but the resulting program gives "core dumped" errors and seems to lack functionality | 03:05 |
| frandavid100 | so, I don't know what I'm doing wrong | 03:06 |
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| AndyP | frandavid100: does it work properly if you compile it and run it normally, without making it into a .deb? | 03:08 |
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| frandavid100 | let me try that | 03:09 |
| frandavid100 | nope, same error | 03:10 |
| AndyP | frandavid100: http://gendesign.sourceforge.net/help.html lists some libraries you need to install and how to compile it, are you following that? | 03:11 |
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| frandavid100 | let me check again, but I think it's all correct | 03:12 |
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| frandavid100 | so that's libgtk2.0-dev, libglib2.0-dev, libgnomeui-dev, libglade2-dev, libgnomevfs2-dev and libxml2-dev right? | 03:16 |
| frandavid100 | brb | 03:17 |
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| frandavid100 | hi again | 03:27 |
| frandavid100 | I also installed firefox-dev, so all dependencies are supposedly met | 03:28 |
| DarkMageZ | does that app have english translations in it? | 03:29 |
| bashelier | doko: ping | 03:29 |
| frandavid100 | yep | 03:30 |
| frandavid100 | by the way it's not a core dumped error, it's a segfault error | 03:30 |
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| frandavid100 | and well, the interface looks nothing like the one on the screenshot | 03:35 |
| frandavid100 | http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/7083/pantallazogendesignsmalsc6.png take a look at what I get | 03:36 |
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| AndyP | frandavid100: which version are you using? | 03:41 |
| frandavid100 | of Ubuntu? I'm on gutsy | 03:41 |
| AndyP | frandavid100: of gendesign | 03:42 |
| frandavid100 | oh, 0.5.3 | 03:43 |
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| AndyP | my guess is that the GUI is different depending on what kind of document you're editing then | 03:44 |
| frandavid100 | I might contact the author and ask him | 03:45 |
| frandavid100 | I'll get back to you guys | 03:46 |
| frandavid100 | thanks for the advice, see ya later! | 03:47 |
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| gpocentek | Hobbsee: congrats :) | 04:08 |
| Hobbsee | gpocentek: thankyou :) | 04:09 |
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| _MMA_ | Oh yeah. Congrats. | 04:11 |
| _MMA_ | /me hopes the long pointy stick of doom can be wielded around -devel. :) | 04:11 |
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| jussi01 | :D | 04:12 |
| AstralJava | Hobbsee: What's the occasion? | 04:13 |
| Hobbsee | _MMA_: hehe, it usually is :P | 04:13 |
| === Hobbsee is getting married. obviously. | ||
| StevenK | Heh | 04:14 |
| StevenK | To your LongPointyStick, no less. | 04:14 |
| === Hobbsee tries not to ponder that one. | ||
| jsgotangco | wah? | 04:14 |
| geser | Hobbsee: congrats for core-dev | 04:15 |
| Hobbsee | geser: thankyou :) | 04:16 |
| jsgotangco | yes congrats on that really! | 04:16 |
| Hobbsee | hehe :) | 04:16 |
| mruiz | \o/ Hobbsee :) | 04:17 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 04:17 |
| evand | Can someone with upload rights take a look at 117834 whenever they get a chance? Thanks! | 04:17 |
| Hobbsee | bug 117834 | 04:19 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 117834 in amule "Please sponsor amule upload" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117834 | 04:19 |
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| AstralJava | Hobbsee: Oh okay, congrats are in order, then. :) | 04:21 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 04:22 |
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| imbrandon | Hobbsee, married ?!? hehehe | 04:23 |
| imbrandon | i can see the /. post now | 04:23 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: nah... and look into amule for evand, please | 04:23 |
| Hobbsee | oh no... | 04:23 |
| imbrandon | :) | 04:23 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee, ooooooooh kayyy i supose so | 04:23 |
| imbrandon | :) | 04:23 |
| Hobbsee | good man :) | 04:23 |
| geser | imbrandon: isn't she already married with (K)Ubuntu? | 04:23 |
| imbrandon | geser, yup yup | 04:23 |
| imbrandon | in AU you can marry more than one it seems | 04:24 |
| === imbrandon ducks | ||
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| AndyP | Hobbsee: core-gratulations :) | 04:24 |
| Hobbsee | thankyou :) | 04:24 |
| StevenK | Recent Simpsons episode seen over here: Bart and random girl are in Utah, about to get married. Registrar: "And how many wives are you marrying today, sir?" Bart: "Just the one." Registrar: "What are you? Gay?" | 04:25 |
| StevenK | imbrandon's quip reminded me. | 04:25 |
| imbrandon | hahahaha | 04:26 |
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| imbrandon | yea Utah, home of the morman religon, where its cool to have more thna one wife | 04:26 |
| imbrandon | mormon(sp?) | 04:27 |
| imbrandon | something like that | 04:27 |
| AndyP | correct | 04:27 |
| StevenK | The latter. Mormon | 04:27 |
| StevenK | imbrandon: You may not have not heard this one: What goes: clop clop clop *BANG!* clop clop clop ? | 04:28 |
| imbrandon | heh , what | 04:28 |
| StevenK | imbrandon: An Amish drive-by | 04:28 |
| imbrandon | LOL | 04:28 |
| imbrandon | man now that you can buy non-drm music on itunes i REALY wish it had a linux client | 04:29 |
| imbrandon | or something better thn 4.x working in wine | 04:30 |
| AndyP | amazon's going into the non-DRM mp3 market sometime soon | 04:30 |
| imbrandon | yea i know, but i love my itunes | 04:30 |
| AndyP | ah :) | 04:30 |
| imbrandon | its the only reason i keep OSX on my lappy dual boot and a XP vm | 04:31 |
| imbrandon | on my desktop | 04:31 |
| imbrandon | litterly | 04:31 |
| imbrandon | everything else i "need" ( e.g. only photoshop and WoW ) i run in wine | 04:31 |
| imbrandon | heh | 04:31 |
| geser | * MOTU application Adrien Cunin | 04:33 |
| geser | * MOTU application Daniel T. Chen | 04:34 |
| imbrandon | evand, gettign ready to upload it in a sec, i'll mark the bug as such when i do | 04:34 |
| geser | argh, something was in my paste buffer :( | 04:35 |
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| evand | imbrandon, Hobbsee: thanks! | 04:37 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 04:37 |
| === Hobbsee o.O{we should be nice to evand, else our installs might not work} | ||
| evand | :) | 04:38 |
| imbrandon | evand, hrm | 04:38 |
| StevenK | if [ $USER = "sarah" ] ; echo "No migration for you!" ; fi | 04:38 |
| imbrandon | evand, that patch dosent apply cleanly to whats in gutsy | 04:39 |
| === Hobbsee grin | ||
| Baby | XD | 04:40 |
| imbrandon | evand, did you make that debdiff against amule_2.1.3-2ubuntu1.dsc | 04:40 |
| imbrandon | ? | 04:40 |
| imbrandon | or against debians amule_2.1.3-3 | 04:41 |
| imbrandon | ... | 04:41 |
| evand | imbrandon: the first one in that report was a mistake and was against the ubuntu version, the second is against amule_2.1.3-3 | 04:42 |
| imbrandon | yea i grabbed the one from the bottom, can you diff it against the current gutsy version | 04:43 |
| imbrandon | err actualy | 04:43 |
| imbrandon | yea | 04:43 |
| imbrandon | current gutsy | 04:43 |
| imbrandon | e.g. amule_2.1.3-2ubuntu1 | 04:43 |
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| imbrandon | ./` ... and there she was, like disco-superfly , yea there she was ... ./` | 04:47 |
| StevenK | Ohh geez, where's that from? | 04:48 |
| imbrandon | Marcy Playgound - Sex and Candy | 04:48 |
| imbrandon | good song | 04:49 |
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| StevenK | Ah, right. Now that I've read the lyrics, now I know why my brain was telling me it didn't like it. | 04:49 |
| imbrandon | lol | 04:49 |
| imbrandon | hrm i should stream some tunes ... | 04:50 |
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| doko | bashelier: pong | 04:52 |
| jussi01 | gah...freaking wordpress... | 04:54 |
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| jussi01 | where are you people that recommended wordpress... Hobbsee ?? | 04:57 |
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| Hobbsee | hm? | 04:57 |
| imbrandon | i love my wordpress | 04:57 |
| jsgotangco | i like wordpress | 04:57 |
| jussi01 | wordpress is being evil | 04:57 |
| jussi01 | it wont upload my avatar.. | 04:58 |
| jussi01 | grrrrr | 04:58 |
| jsgotangco | oh you mean wordpress.com the service not the software | 04:58 |
| imbrandon | chmod the upload dir ( normaly files/ ) | 04:58 |
| jsgotangco | yeah its a permission thing | 04:59 |
| jussi01 | hmmm how do i do that when its some webpage i log into... | 04:59 |
| imbrandon | umm is it on your server ? | 04:59 |
| jsgotangco | do you mean wordpress.com? | 04:59 |
| evand | imbrandon: bug 117834 updated with the requested debdiff | 04:59 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 117834 in amule "Please sponsor amule upload" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117834 | 04:59 |
| imbrandon | evand, great i'll grab it in a sec | 05:00 |
| evand | thanks | 05:00 |
| jussi01 | jsgotangco: yeah | 05:00 |
| bashelier | doko: it's about gdc, I'm not quite sure, is it going to be build from the gcc source package or do you want it to be built from the gdc source package ? my suggestion was, to avoid version problem, to make an independant gdc package which version would be 0.23 and which *just* install the gdc sources tarball in /usr/src/gcc-*, and to make the gcc package build-depend on it | 05:01 |
| jsgotangco | jussi01: well i would guess that is wordpress.com's fault ;-) | 05:01 |
| jussi01 | jsgotangco: yeah, probably, I just wanted to complain to someone though...sorry... :P | 05:02 |
| jsgotangco | ahh haha | 05:02 |
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| imbrandon | StevenK, http://www.imbrandon.com:8000/listen.pls | 05:06 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 05:06 |
| imbrandon | little bit o streaming | 05:07 |
| leonel | hello everyone ! | 05:07 |
| mruiz | hi leonel | 05:07 |
| tritium | hi jsgotangco | 05:08 |
| jsgotangco | tritium: hey dude how's it going | 05:08 |
| tritium | Not bad, you? | 05:09 |
| tritium | Too bad yarddog took that CC meeting so hard, huh? | 05:09 |
| jsgotangco | tritium: can't blame him but i did give my side along with other people | 05:10 |
| tritium | jsgotangco: yeah, I saw your response. I hope he changes his mind, but as of now, he's deactivated his launchpad account, and deleted his wiki. | 05:10 |
| imbrandon | ?? | 05:11 |
| jsgotangco | ahh sheeshh | 05:11 |
| tritium | yeah | 05:12 |
| Hobbsee | what, another one? | 05:12 |
| === Hobbsee wonders who yarddog is | ||
| === imbrandon wonders too | ||
| tritium | Hobbsee: he's applied for membership and was rejected. | 05:12 |
| nixternal | sp4rKy: I am around now :) | 05:12 |
| Hobbsee | oof | 05:12 |
| nixternal | mornin'! | 05:12 |
| tritium | He was going to help me run the New Mexico LoCo, and had done a lot of work getting that setup, along with the IRC channel, mailing list, etc. | 05:13 |
| nixternal | HOBBSEE!!!!!!! Congrats!!! | 05:13 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: thankyou :) | 05:13 |
| tritium | Hobbsee: what happened? | 05:14 |
| tritium | Are you a core dev now? | 05:14 |
| jsgotangco | tritium: she'snow core dev | 05:14 |
| tritium | WOOHOO :) | 05:14 |
| tritium | Congrats Hobbsee :) | 05:14 |
| Hobbsee | :D | 05:14 |
| pleia2 | Hobbsee: :D | 05:14 |
| === pleia2 hugs | ||
| Hobbsee | :D | 05:14 |
| === Hobbsee hugs pleia2 :D | ||
| nixternal | rock on with your badself! | 05:15 |
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| Hobbsee | hehe | 05:15 |
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| jsgotangco | get your own pointy stick then | 05:15 |
| Hobbsee | jsgotangco: THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE. | 05:16 |
| jsgotangco | Hobbsee: surely THE ONE TRUE STICK can control the others | 05:16 |
| Hobbsee | jsgotangco: of course. by destroying them. | 05:17 |
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| LaserJock | bah, how do I echo the return value? | 05:23 |
| LaserJock | Hobbsee: CONGRATS! | 05:23 |
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| AndyP | "echo $?" ? | 05:23 |
| xxxxx1 | echo $? | 05:23 |
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: :D | 05:24 |
| xxxxx1 | congrats Hobbsee :> | 05:24 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 05:24 |
| doko | bashelier: no, include the gdc source tarball into the gdc debian package, and let that build-depend on gcc-4.1-source | 05:26 |
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| bashelier | doko: ok, I'm working on gcc-4.1 right now, which should't ftbfs with d | 05:29 |
| doko | bashelier: please split out the libphobosN package, so that programs linked against it don't need to install the compiler package | 05:30 |
| bashelier | doko: ok np ;) | 05:31 |
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| bashelier | evand: ping | 05:36 |
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| evand | bashelier: pong | 05:36 |
| bashelier | evand: do you intend to merge amule using DaD ? (bug #117834) | 05:37 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 117834 in amule "Please sponsor amule upload" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117834 | 05:37 |
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| imbrandon | bashelier, it seems to have been done that way | 05:39 |
| evand | bashelier: I'm confused. Isn't that esentially what I did? I used grab-merge.sh and merge-buildpackage from DaD. Is there more to it than that? | 05:39 |
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| imbrandon | bashelier, i was just getting ready to upload it, btw much better evand thanks | 05:40 |
| imbrandon | bashelier, ?? | 05:41 |
| evand | thanks! | 05:41 |
| jekil | hello | 05:41 |
| bashelier | evand: np, just next times, try to check the comments to see if there isn't somebody else working on it ;) | 05:41 |
| bashelier | imbrandon: thanks | 05:41 |
| imbrandon | kk | 05:41 |
| evand | oh, I'm sorry! | 05:41 |
| imbrandon | evand, bashelier uploaded | 05:41 |
| imbrandon | evand, can you mark the bug fix commited please | 05:42 |
| bashelier | imbrandon: ok good thanks again :) | 05:42 |
| evand | imbrandon: will do | 05:42 |
| pochu | bashelier: and you ask first the latest uploader to do his merge ;) | 05:42 |
| pochu | Not that I care, but that will avoid some people doing the same work :) | 05:42 |
| bashelier | pochu: I wanted to but you weren't connected when I tried ;) | 05:43 |
| pochu | :) | 05:43 |
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| mruiz | imbrandon: if a package in http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html doesn't have conflicts, is it ready to be synced? | 05:51 |
| imbrandon | mruiz, not nessesarly, it just means when the auto-merger did its thing it dident have an issue | 05:52 |
| imbrandon | still needs to be checked and uploaded | 05:53 |
| mruiz | ah, ok | 05:53 |
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| mruiz | I was working in vzctl, who had conflicts in debian/control (architectures) | 05:55 |
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| LaserJock | ok, I need to find out who signed an upload | 05:56 |
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| LaserJock | can I just grab the .dsc? | 05:56 |
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| LaserJock | oh wait, that wouldn't be the uploader | 05:56 |
| LaserJock | I need the .changes | 05:57 |
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| mruiz | Ubuntu only supports i386, powerpc, amd64 ? | 06:01 |
| gnomefreak | sparc is also afaik | 06:01 |
| pochu | mruiz: officialy i386, amd64 and sparc | 06:01 |
| pochu | ppc and ia64 are ports. | 06:02 |
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| siretart | we also have hppa as port | 06:03 |
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| gnomefreak | dholbach: i had to give up on gwget it ended up being way too hard (things i tried didnt work on fixing the autoregen) i did upload to revu what i had done including the patch i made and applied. http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5330 is the link. so if someone wants to take a look and see what they can do with it please feel free. i screwed with it up until a couple of hours ago and i have to admit i failed badly :( | 06:05 |
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| dholbach | gnomefreak: don't worry - I'll check it out and let you know what I find | 06:07 |
| gnomefreak | ty | 06:07 |
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| jekil | ubuntustudio is a project sponsored by ubuntu or is a project outside ubuntu? | 06:14 |
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| jrib | gnomefreak: what's wrong with gwget? | 06:15 |
| gnomefreak | jrib: auto regens control file on clean | 06:15 |
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| gnomefreak | so you will always end up with wrong depends. even changing it by hand didnt help | 06:16 |
| jrib | I like gwget, I'm going to take a look too. Is there a bug report? | 06:16 |
| gnomefreak | what is debians svn link | 06:16 |
| gnomefreak | jrib: none that i know of i was hoping to fix it before that happened it failed to install here due to missing depends | 06:17 |
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| jrib | gnomefreak: only on gutsy? | 06:21 |
| gnomefreak | jrib: yes afaik | 06:22 |
| siretart | jekil: you might want to ask this question to the #ubuntustudio channel, or joejaxx | 06:22 |
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| jekil | siretart: thanks | 06:23 |
| _MMA_ | Whats up? | 06:23 |
| _MMA_ | jekil: What do you need? | 06:24 |
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| jekil | _MMA_: simply i think why ubuntustudio packages aren't in official repos, so it's a project outside ubuntu? | 06:25 |
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| _MMA_ | jekil: It really cane down to timing. We had freeze exceptions for most of them but they weren't processed. | 06:26 |
| _MMA_ | Well the exceptions were. | 06:27 |
| _MMA_ | jekil: Why? | 06:27 |
| jekil | _MMA_: beacause i am looking if it's possible make a project like ubuntustudio, but security oriented | 06:28 |
| _MMA_ | There's already a project like that afaik. | 06:29 |
| _MMA_ | The name escapes me atm. | 06:29 |
| jekil | _MMA_: nubuntu? | 06:30 |
| _MMA_ | Not sure. | 06:31 |
| siretart | jekil: secuirty oriented? can you elaborate please? | 06:31 |
| jekil | siretart: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntu-sec | 06:31 |
| imbrandon | www.nubuntu.org , ubuntu for the security minded | 06:32 |
| siretart | jekil: I don't think you need a subproject for a handful of meta packages. I think we can do that within MOTU/ubuntu-dev | 06:32 |
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| jekil | imbrandon: yes, but is not maintained | 06:32 |
| imbrandon | jekil, sure it is, i talk to them a bit over on oftc once in a while | 06:33 |
| siretart | imbrandon: what is the point of nubuntu? having a live cd? | 06:33 |
| jekil | yeah, only live cd | 06:33 |
| imbrandon | siretart, i dunno, i just know it exists | 06:33 |
| keescook | s/security minded/security tester/ | 06:33 |
| siretart | don't get me wrong, I'm just curious in learning why nubuntu is a seperate project from ubuntu-hardened | 06:33 |
| keescook | it includes a whole mess of security scanners, etc by default, it seems: http://www.nubuntu.org/about.php | 06:34 |
| imbrandon | siretart, because nubuntu isnt about the security of YOUR system its aobut the security(faults) of someone elses | 06:34 |
| imbrandon | :) | 06:34 |
| imbrandon | been arround sicne pre-dapper | 06:34 |
| siretart | keescook: I don't spot anything there we couldn't have in universe | 06:34 |
| siretart | imbrandon: sounds like some sort of backtrack cd | 06:35 |
| keescook | siretart: I agree. | 06:35 |
| imbrandon | siretart, actualy its almost exactly like backtrack only ubuntu based | 06:35 |
| imbrandon | even the art and fluxbozx | 06:35 |
| imbrandon | s/z// | 06:36 |
| siretart | I imagine we could even have a community supported 'security auditing live cd' somehow. we 'just' lack ppl doing the work | 06:36 |
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| etank | siretart: that would be cool | 06:37 |
| imbrandon | siretart, yup | 06:38 |
| jekil | i thinks that a series of secuirty tools metapackage can be very useful | 06:38 |
| keescook | apt-get install ubuntu-pwns | 06:39 |
| imbrandon | hahahaha | 06:39 |
| siretart | jekil: I don't see really the point of metapackages here, but there is no reason not to include metapackages in universe. So feel free to join ubuntu-dev and do the work directly in our archive | 06:39 |
| imbrandon | keescook, i tell you i packaged* (sorta ) the lolcode intrepiter | 06:39 |
| keescook | imbrandon: hah! | 06:39 |
| superm1 | jekil, mythbuntu is including its metapackages in universe already too. much better to do it that way | 06:40 |
| keescook | I was hoping to see the THEN/ELSE structure be O RLY/YA RLY | 06:40 |
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| imbrandon | keescook, hehe yea | 06:40 |
| siretart | keescook: ah, speaking of Backtrack, do you know if we could get the madwifi packet injection patch from aircrack-ng in the official ubuntu kernel package? | 06:40 |
| imbrandon | that would so rock | 06:41 |
| keescook | siretart: oh, is that still needed? I thought that was in madwifi now? | 06:41 |
| superm1 | siretart, i dont think its needed | 06:41 |
| superm1 | i was just using madwifi and aircrack ng three weeks ago | 06:41 |
| superm1 | and i was able to inject on one interface and capture o nthe other | 06:41 |
| keescook | if not, yeah, totally, open a bug, see if the kernel team will carry it. | 06:41 |
| keescook | superm1: I think this patch is to do both on one interface. :) | 06:41 |
| siretart | superm1: the injection patch lets you capture and inject on the same interface | 06:41 |
| superm1 | virtual interfaces | 06:41 |
| superm1 | should have specified | 06:41 |
| keescook | oooh | 06:41 |
| superm1 | there is an app that comes with aircrack to easily create and destroy VAPs | 06:42 |
| superm1 | on madwifi ng | 06:42 |
| imbrandon | yea i just leave a open ( traffic shaped and another subnet ) wifi signal open at my house , so they dont fsk with my secure one | 06:42 |
| imbrandon | :) | 06:42 |
| jekil | siretart: how directly in the archive? | 06:42 |
| siretart | jekil: in the gutsy repositories | 06:42 |
| imbrandon | jekil, like right in the gutsy repos | 06:42 |
| jekil | siretart: uploading metapackages to revu? | 06:43 |
| imbrandon | jekil, well he sugested you becomse a MOTU and do it that way, but that woudl be a way to start | 06:43 |
| jekil | imbrandon: thanks to you and to all for the explanation | 06:44 |
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| imbrandon | i would still like to see a trem client livecd | 06:45 |
| imbrandon | pop the cd into your computer and play trem, like a console | 06:45 |
| imbrandon | :) | 06:45 |
| imbrandon | _MMA_, ^^ | 06:45 |
| imbrandon | you would probably have to run the game from a ram drive or soemthing | 06:46 |
| imbrandon | to make it fast enough | 06:46 |
| imbrandon | but linux based console like gaming would rock | 06:46 |
| evand | actually, I've put ET on a LiveCD before. It ran quick enough. | 06:46 |
| imbrandon | ET ? | 06:46 |
| evand | enemy-territory | 06:47 |
| imbrandon | ahh | 06:47 |
| evand | Linux meets yet another WWII game | 06:47 |
| imbrandon | heh | 06:47 |
| imbrandon | _MMA_, does trem require X or only SDL ? | 06:48 |
| superm1 | imbrandon, could you revu libhdhomerun today? | 06:48 |
| siretart | ET on a LIVE-CD?! | 06:48 |
| imbrandon | superm1, i looked at it but i'm not a great library person | 06:48 |
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| siretart | now THAT'S crackful | 06:48 |
| superm1 | imbrandon, its actually not a library, its a funny naming scheme adapted from the upstream package name | 06:49 |
| superm1 | the source package is a lib*, but binary is a normal name | 06:49 |
| superm1 | crimsun said it was okay to use it (yesterday) | 06:49 |
| imbrandon | huh ? wow | 06:49 |
| superm1 | its because historically it produced a library that was linked to | 06:49 |
| superm1 | but no longer does, as its self contained | 06:49 |
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| imbrandon | hrm ok and the packages isnt renamed | 06:50 |
| imbrandon | i guess | 06:50 |
| superm1 | right | 06:50 |
| superm1 | redhat is still using the same source package name too | 06:50 |
| imbrandon | might be cool to rename the package and then use replaces/conflicts but thats another day | 06:50 |
| imbrandon | i'll look again here in a few | 06:50 |
| superm1 | k. newest revu url is here: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5336 | 06:50 |
| imbrandon | k | 06:51 |
| imbrandon | ubuntu/debian > redhat :) | 06:51 |
| superm1 | well of course :) | 06:51 |
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| _MMA_ | imbrandon: Joe might know better. We're actually messing around and gonna put Tremulous on a live CD. :) No DE or ubiquity. X, Trem and whatever depends it pulls. | 07:07 |
| _MMA_ | Oh I see. | 07:08 |
| _MMA_ | imbrandon: You did say that. :) | 07:08 |
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| pochu | Any MOTU is willing to review/upload a Listen merge? :) Bug #118030 | 07:11 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 118030 in listen "Please merge Listen 0.5-3 from Debian Unstable (main)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/118030 | 07:11 |
| imbrandon | pochu, can you please diff against the currect gutsy version | 07:14 |
| imbrandon | current* | 07:14 |
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| siretart | Hobbsee: congrats! | 07:16 |
| Hobbsee | siretart: thankyou :) | 07:16 |
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| LaserJock | dholbach: I've sent my core-dev app to motu-council | 07:16 |
| LaserJock | not sure if it's a moderated list or not | 07:17 |
| dholbach | i'll take care of it | 07:17 |
| Hobbsee | yay, LaserJock! | 07:17 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, w00t | 07:19 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: thanks | 07:20 |
| LaserJock | Hobbsee beat me | 07:20 |
| Hobbsee | sorry LaserJock | 07:20 |
| LaserJock | but I'm still glad I gave her a bit of a push at Sevilla | 07:20 |
| LaserJock | ;-) | 07:20 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 07:21 |
| leonel | ScottK: Feisty's clamav DONE ! \o/ Whoo hoo ! YES ! | 07:21 |
| imbrandon | hrm , ok i got a question about a lic, not everyone run at once, but would this be considered *free* to be uploaded http://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl/ ( strong language ) | 07:21 |
| LaserJock | so cheerleaders are welcome, especially of the Main variety ;-) | 07:22 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, i'll definately cheerleed once i see the mail | 07:22 |
| imbrandon | long overdue imho | 07:22 |
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| dholbach | LaserJock: moderated | 07:25 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: thanks | 07:25 |
| LaserJock | now I get to sweat | 07:25 |
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| mruiz | dholbach: I did it -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vzctl/+bug/118282 | 07:26 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 118282 in vzctl "Please sync vzctl from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 07:26 |
| dholbach | mruiz: super | 07:26 |
| dholbach | mruiz: thanks | 07:26 |
| dholbach | good work on that | 07:26 |
| xxxxx1 | hello dholbach | 07:29 |
| dholbach | hello xxxxx1 | 07:29 |
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| pochu | imbrandon: sure | 07:32 |
| imbrandon | pochu, thanks ping when you have and i'll re look at it | 07:33 |
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| pochu | imbrandon: done :) | 07:35 |
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| mruiz | dholbach: I have to add a bug for a merge ? | 07:42 |
| dholbach | mruiz: no, not necessary | 07:43 |
| dholbach | if you bug somebody to review and upload it, that's fine too | 07:43 |
| mruiz | in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Merging appeared this idea ... | 07:44 |
| dholbach | we need to fix the documentation :-( | 07:45 |
| mruiz | dholbach: for my next merge... which files do you need to review ? | 07:46 |
| dholbach | debdiff from the debian version to the merged version | 07:47 |
| mruiz | only debdiff! | 07:47 |
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| mruiz | see you all! | 07:49 |
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| nixternal | LaserJock: if you have any plans on doco fixing for motu, let me know if I can lend a hand where needed...you to dholbach | 07:51 |
| nixternal | and anyone else for that matter :) | 07:51 |
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| dholbach | nice | 07:53 |
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| txwikinger | *deep even | 08:09 |
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| imbrandon | hrm whats the simplest python package in the repo, i need a good example | 08:14 |
| jussi01 | imbrandon: you could use mnemosyne.... :P | 08:16 |
| imbrandon | huh ? | 08:17 |
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| DarkSun88 | Hi all | 08:23 |
| === nixternal wishes the sun were dark right now | ||
| nixternal | howdy DarkSun88 | 08:23 |
| DarkSun88 | Hello nixternal :) | 08:24 |
| nixternal | I am doing my part on "saving energy"...but damn it is hot out :D | 08:24 |
| txwikinger | and you are complaining about Texas :P | 08:24 |
| nixternal | heh, Chicago is nasty humid right now | 08:24 |
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| txwikinger | Need to get some more wind for the windy city ;) | 08:25 |
| nixternal | heh, to bad the wind is from teh politicians and not mother earth | 08:25 |
| dholbach | gnomefreak: I got me a fresh tarball of gwget, renamed it to gwget2_0.99.orig.tar.gz, added your debian dir, and added a patch in which I ran autoconf; rm -r autom4te.cache | 08:25 |
| dholbach | gnomefreak: do you know about cdbs-edit-patch already? | 08:25 |
| nixternal | great, and it seems that imbrandon is slinging storms in my direction | 08:25 |
| dholbach | gnomefreak: it seems to be working better now - still some problems - checking it out | 08:26 |
| imbrandon | ugh where is Fujitsu when you need him | 08:26 |
| imbrandon | heh | 08:26 |
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| superm1 | nixternal, I had no idea about that until i took a tour to the top of either the hancock or sears tower a few years ago for the first time. One of them had it plastered on one of those little learn more about the city things | 08:28 |
| nixternal | hehe | 08:28 |
| nixternal | superm1: they taught it to us in elementary school iirc | 08:28 |
| nixternal | that and the "city of big shoulders" | 08:29 |
| txwikinger | ? Dead people voting? | 08:29 |
| nixternal | hahaha, we learned that recently | 08:29 |
| superm1 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Shoulders ? | 08:29 |
| nixternal | my grandparents voted for John Kerry, needless to say they died in the 90s | 08:29 |
| nixternal | hehe, there is a band named that...interesting | 08:30 |
| txwikinger | nixternal: Chicago and Texas have a lot in common... Dead people voting in Chicago, people bused over the broder to vote in Texas | 08:31 |
| nixternal | hahaha, and Texas hates the border...but Texas does have an "express lane" in death row | 08:31 |
| dholbach | gnomefreak: thanks for your work on it! | 08:31 |
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| nixternal | I think that joke came from the blue collar comedy tour | 08:32 |
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| superm1 | nixternal, yea it did | 08:32 |
| superm1 | at least the second half | 08:32 |
| gnomefreak | dholbach: yw. were you able to get it straight? | 08:32 |
| txwikinger | nixternal: express lane with traffic jam | 08:32 |
| nixternal | hahahaha | 08:32 |
| dholbach | gnomefreak: yes | 08:33 |
| gnomefreak | ty | 08:33 |
| dholbach | gnomefreak: so one thing that was wrong is the version number | 08:33 |
| dholbach | gnomefreak: it's 0ubuntu1, because there's no 0.99 in debian yet | 08:33 |
| dholbach | gnomefreak: and the other thing was that you didn't use a .orig.tar.gz - so we had no .diff.gz | 08:34 |
| gnomefreak | i didnt? | 08:34 |
| dholbach | gnomefreak: and the autoconf patch was missing (that generated configure from the configure.in change) | 08:34 |
| dholbach | no, but it's no big deal | 08:34 |
| gnomefreak | ok ty i still have it so i will look it over again just to see what i missed. thank you again for looking at it | 08:35 |
| dholbach | no problem | 08:35 |
| dholbach | sorry it took so long | 08:35 |
| dholbach | today was a bit busy | 08:35 |
| gnomefreak | me too, matter of fact i just walked in the door' | 08:35 |
| dholbach | thanks again | 08:36 |
| dholbach | gnomefreak: uploaded | 08:36 |
| gnomefreak | yw | 08:37 |
| jrib | you fixed it faster than I could setup a gutsy vm :/ gnomefreak: did you do the gwget epiphany extension as well? | 08:37 |
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| gnomefreak | hold on i think it builds it | 08:38 |
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| gnomefreak | jrib Package: epiphany-extension-gwget that? | 08:38 |
| jrib | yeah | 08:38 |
| gnomefreak | jrib: it builds it | 08:38 |
| gnomefreak | source for it is gwget | 08:39 |
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| jrib | how do I create a gutsy pbuilder? Specifically, how do I get /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/gutsy? | 08:50 |
| xxxxx1 | jrib: you can try http://revu.tauware.de/~laserjock/pbuilder-feisty | 08:50 |
| xxxxx1 | just rename | 08:51 |
| jrib | yep, got that, but when I try 'pbuilder-gutsy create', it complains "E: No such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/gutsy". There's a note on the wiki, but no suggestion on what to do about it | 08:52 |
| nixternal | ScottK: what was the small c/c++ library package you gave me to reference for this new library I am working on? | 08:52 |
| xxxxx1 | jrib: your debootstrap is up-to-date? | 08:53 |
| jrib | xxxxx1: good call, let me install gutsy's debootstrap on here | 08:53 |
| jrib | xxxxx1: thanks, that sorted it | 08:55 |
| xxxxx1 | jrib: you're using feisty? | 08:56 |
| xxxxx1 | get debootstrap from feisty-backports | 08:56 |
| PriceChild | I'm thinking about packaging up warzone2100 (http://wz2100.net/) They package their source with a debian/ amongst other things. They seem very reluctant to remove this in their upstream and I'm wondering what to do. Is it ok to just edit/remove the files in the existing debian and carry on regardless? | 08:56 |
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| jrib | PriceChild: the mplayer package just renames debian to debian_upstream | 08:58 |
| PriceChild | I'm going to use a lot of what's there afaict... | 08:59 |
| xxxxx1 | PriceChild: you should read section 6.7.8 of developers-reference. | 08:59 |
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| xxxxx1 | btw, you're discouraged to do that. only if you don't have another way to do your job without upstream help. :/ | 09:01 |
| PriceChild | (I'm having to repackage it from bz2 to tar.gz anyway) I've read that before and I'm still unsure of what I should do. You say I'm discouraged from using their debian/ ? | 09:03 |
| xxxxx1 | but you will remove debian/ subdir as well or just move them to bzip2 ? | 09:04 |
| xxxxx1 | if just to move them to bzip2, could be good a get-orig-source doing that. but's optional, not mandatory. | 09:05 |
| ScottK | nixternal: Don't recall. sorry. | 09:05 |
| PriceChild | xxxxx1, I've completely lost you sorry... | 09:05 |
| nixternal | that's alright..I am checking libcurl...it is similar to this library anyways | 09:05 |
| ScottK | jrib: Try enabling feisty-backports and update pbuilder from there. | 09:06 |
| xxxxx1 | PriceChild: :) | 09:06 |
| jrib | ScottK: thanks, installing gutsy's debootstrap worked, I didn't realize I had -backports off | 09:07 |
| xxxxx1 | PriceChild: you need to repackage to bzip2 and/or remove debian/ subdir too? | 09:07 |
| PriceChild | xxxxx1, So far I'm just bzcat -> gzip -9 'ing the upstream's .bz2 into a nice .tar.gz Do you think I should remove the debian/ in that process? | 09:08 |
| xxxxx1 | you say "...They package their source with a debian/ amongst other things...They seem very reluctant to remove this in their upstream..." | 09:09 |
| xxxxx1 | you can use get-orig-source | 09:10 |
| xxxxx1 | to do that tasks | 09:10 |
| xxxxx1 | :) | 09:10 |
| PriceChild | ok cool :) | 09:10 |
| PriceChild | I'm happy, thanks :) | 09:11 |
| PriceChild | well not happy.... :P | 09:11 |
| superm1 | ScottK, could you re-ack your +1 on libhdhomerun? crimsun had me change two minor things (typo and add copyright info to the man page I wrote) but said that the naming was OK | 09:11 |
| ScottK | What's the url? | 09:11 |
| PriceChild | They also have some images in the debian/ which end up as icons around the place so I'll remove all but those in the get-orig-source | 09:12 |
| superm1 | ScottK, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5336 | 09:12 |
| jussi01 | ScottK: thanks very much for all your help with mnemosyne, if you didnt notice its now uploaded :D | 09:13 |
| ScottK | Done | 09:13 |
| ScottK | jussi01: I did. Congrats. | 09:13 |
| superm1 | Thanks ScottK | 09:13 |
| ScottK | NP. Thank you for contributing. | 09:13 |
| nixternal | objdump -p filename |grep SONAME <- what filename/type should I run this against in order to find/fix the SONAME? | 09:14 |
| leonel | ScottK: Feisty's clamav DONE ! \o/ Whoo hoo ! YES ! | 09:14 |
| ScottK | leonel: Excellent. | 09:14 |
| ScottK | leonel: Did keescook upload it? | 09:15 |
| PriceChild | Just got to figure out how to do it now :) | 09:15 |
| leonel | ScottK: yes He did | 09:15 |
| ScottK | Great. | 09:15 |
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| lfittl | joejaxx: is there a bigger version of the ubuntu studio logo somewhere? | 09:43 |
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| leonel | ScottK: if there's no bug reports for Dapper's Clamav does that means that 1 people are using it with bugs or there's no people using it ? | 09:47 |
| leonel | ScottK: in launchpad I don't see any security bug report | 09:48 |
| leonel | ScottK: for dapper | 09:49 |
| leonel | ScottK: and we know there are bugs | 09:49 |
| ScottK | leonel: We need people to pay attention and file the bugs. Have at it. | 09:49 |
| leonel | ScottK: is there a way to know how many people have downloaded dapper's clamav / | 09:50 |
| leonel | ? | 09:50 |
| ScottK | Not that I know of. | 09:50 |
| leonel | it's a big work to patch all the bugs .. | 09:50 |
| leonel | ScottK: can It be to package 88.7 I think it would not break anything since it's most security updates and start patching from there ? | 09:51 |
| ScottK | leonel: It would have to go in backports and no in -security. | 09:52 |
| ScottK | no/not. | 09:52 |
| ScottK | I think that can be done. | 09:52 |
| ScottK | jdong is the person to ask about a new package direct into backports, but I'd be in favor of it. | 09:52 |
| leonel | since the most bugs can be considered for remote attacks I'll take a closer look to dapper's clamav | 09:53 |
| ScottK | Sounds great. IIRC 0.88.4 is already in dapper-backports | 09:54 |
| leonel | ScottK: but as you said not everyone has backports enabled .. | 09:56 |
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| ScottK | leonel: True. To really do things right you'd have to patch 0.88.2 | 10:13 |
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| leonel | ok | 10:14 |
| leonel | I take a deep look on what needs to be done | 10:14 |
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| Kmos | php 5.2.3 is out :) | 10:17 |
| gnomefreak | there has to be an easy way to search for .rej files other than locate and find | 10:22 |
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| zorglu_ | q. i would like to talk to somebody who has knowledge of apt-get http operation and how it queries the server. any suggestion on a place/personn i could talk to ? | 10:24 |
| gnomefreak | zorglu_: you want to know how apt uses repos? | 10:25 |
| zorglu_ | gnomefreak: nope. i want to .. how can i explain that :) | 10:26 |
| zorglu_ | gnomefreak: i want to understand how apt-get interact with the http server to play with mirroring and stuff | 10:26 |
| zorglu_ | gnomefreak: im a developper playing with it to see what i can do. so it is not the usual type of question. hence my need for a dev knowing it and willing to answer some questions | 10:27 |
| gnomefreak | the person i would say speak to most likely wont be back until monday try asking in #synaptic | 10:27 |
| zorglu_ | gnomefreak: ok noted. what is his nickname ? | 10:28 |
| gnomefreak | zorglu_: anyone in there should beable to help or ask mvo monday. unless someone else here knows | 10:28 |
| zorglu_ | ok thanks | 10:28 |
| gnomefreak | maybe tuesday (not sure if monday is holiday or not) | 10:28 |
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| imbrandon | man some of the stuff on the internet ( read: digg.com ) is ummm stupid .. i feel like i get penalized by one IQ point just for reading it | 10:37 |
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| gnomefreak | nothing usefull IMO on either | 10:40 |
| LaserJock | hmm, it would be kinda cool if LP spit out a list of packages you've sponsored | 10:40 |
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| pochu | and uploaded! | 10:42 |
| imbrandon | pochu, it tells the ones you've uplaoded | 10:42 |
| pochu | imbrandon: not all of them | 10:42 |
| imbrandon | howso, it sure does for me | 10:42 |
| LaserJock | sponsored or directly uploaded are the only options | 10:43 |
| LaserJock | we already have directly uploaded | 10:43 |
| pochu | e.g. if you upload -0ubuntu1 and -0ubuntu2 in the same repository, it will show -0ubuntu2, but not -0ubuntu1. | 10:43 |
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| LaserJock | oh, hmm | 10:43 |
| pochu | So not all your uploads :) | 10:43 |
| LaserJock | I didn't know it did that | 10:44 |
| pochu | Which is ugly, since most of my uploads are for liferea :) | 10:44 |
| imbrandon | well thats because if you upload to the same repo the old one will be removed | 10:44 |
| imbrandon | makes sense | 10:44 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: sweet automatix mad #10 on the "Top 10 apps in Ubuntu" ;-) | 10:44 |
| LaserJock | but it doesn't give an accurate count of activity | 10:45 |
| imbrandon | a kitten just got hit by a car | 10:45 |
| _MMA_ | lol +1 | 10:45 |
| pochu | imbrandon: but if you upload -0ubuntu1, and I upload -0ubuntu2, your upload will be removed too, and it's not removed from that list. | 10:45 |
| imbrandon | and ... thats correct too | 10:45 |
| pochu | So I don't see why it should remove old uploads. | 10:46 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: oh wait, I was wrong | 10:47 |
| LaserJock | Automatix got #1 | 10:47 |
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| nixternal | WHAT? | 10:47 |
| LaserJock | amarok is #2 | 10:48 |
| nixternal | where are you reading this? | 10:48 |
| LaserJock | http://lifehacker.com/software/lifehacker-top-10/top-10-ubuntu-applications-265052.php | 10:48 |
| nixternal | actually...don't...well damn you did | 10:48 |
| LaserJock | samba is #3 | 10:48 |
| LaserJock | that's kind of an interesting one | 10:48 |
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| LaserJock | oh and I love this in the comments when somebody asked whey Ubuntu is gnome-based: "I believe they chose Gnome because it is about the middle of the road system req wise (compared to KDE and Xfce)." | 10:50 |
| leonel | when will be the next LTS ?? Gutsy + 1 ? | 10:51 |
| nixternal | ya, they added Ubuntu in order to get hits | 10:51 |
| keescook | say, should the mythtv package use "+" instead of "-" in it's version/svnDATE separation? | 10:51 |
| zorglu_ | LaserJock: it is their opinion or they have actual measurement to systain this ranking ? | 10:52 |
| LaserJock | zorglu_: their opinion of course :-) | 10:52 |
| zorglu_ | LaserJock: ah ok :) | 10:52 |
| LaserJock | "actual measurement" pfft | 10:52 |
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| zorglu_ | LaserJock: btw the idea to get more actual data about how people use ubuntu would be of great use, in my opinion | 10:53 |
| nixternal | lifehacker is all about opinions iirc, isn't it a blog? | 10:53 |
| LaserJock | they wouldn't know a statistic if it went out and gave them a heart attack | 10:53 |
| nixternal | something besides popcon? how it is being used would be neat to find out | 10:53 |
| LaserJock | nixternal: yes, it is a blog | 10:53 |
| nixternal | ahh OK... | 10:53 |
| LaserJock | getting real "scientific" data in Ubuntu is darn near impossible | 10:54 |
| LaserJock | we'd have to do nasty things like collect data without people knowing ;-) | 10:54 |
| nixternal | ya, that is true | 10:55 |
| pochu | leonel: yes | 10:55 |
| nixternal | well, surveys | 10:55 |
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| pochu | leonel: or at least that's the plan :) | 10:55 |
| LaserJock | self reporting is pretty much always biased | 10:55 |
| LaserJock | and that's about the only way we get data | 10:55 |
| nixternal | true, but there is at least 40% truth to it | 10:55 |
| LaserJock | good enough for social sciences ;-) | 10:56 |
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| zorglu_ | LaserJock: why would it be impossible ? | 10:57 |
| LaserJock | because of what I said | 10:58 |
| zorglu_ | LaserJock: what about an apps which monitor when other apps are launched/stopped. just that would be usefull to know | 10:58 |
| LaserJock | sure | 10:58 |
| LaserJock | but we can't turn that on by default | 10:58 |
| LaserJock | and hence require the person to want to participate | 10:58 |
| zorglu_ | LaserJock: self reporting is not that usefull because it require the reporter to have very intimate knowledge of the system | 10:59 |
| LaserJock | which then doesn't give you a truely representitive sample | 10:59 |
| zorglu_ | LaserJock: well you wont get the whole population this is clear | 10:59 |
| LaserJock | so your data will be biased | 10:59 |
| LaserJock | and then can be used to make wrong decisions if relied on too much | 11:00 |
| zorglu_ | LaserJock: the monitoring/reporting will have to be on a voluntary bases too | 11:00 |
| zorglu_ | currenlty decision are taken wihtout any data, it can hardly be better :) | 11:00 |
| LaserJock | popcon is pretty good | 11:00 |
| LaserJock | zorglu_: kinda depends | 11:00 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, ahh right on , me composes an email | 11:00 |
| zorglu_ | LaserJock: how having no data can be better | 11:01 |
| zorglu_ | ? | 11:01 |
| LaserJock | developers who know the software and how it fits within the distro are more likely to make better decisions | 11:01 |
| zorglu_ | bad data may be ignored | 11:01 |
| LaserJock | I'm not saying that we shouldn't try | 11:01 |
| zorglu_ | LaserJock: they makes better decision because they dont know how people uses the os ? | 11:01 |
| LaserJock | yes | 11:01 |
| zorglu_ | euh i dont get it :) | 11:01 |
| LaserJock | they make better decisions because they aren't basing their decisions on wrong data ;-) | 11:02 |
| zorglu_ | for me, to know what people want allow to increase their satisfaction | 11:02 |
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| LaserJock | if it was truely representitive data then it might be useful | 11:02 |
| cbx33 | ping imbrandon | 11:02 |
| superm1 | LaserJock, did you find a way to have launchpad tell you who did what uploads for you? | 11:02 |
| LaserJock | but there are 2 things I see as negatives: | 11:02 |
| zorglu_ | currently they are basing their decision on no data at all | 11:02 |
| LaserJock | zorglu_: that's not really true | 11:02 |
| zorglu_ | it may be phrased as 'shooting in the dark' | 11:03 |
| LaserJock | not at all | 11:03 |
| LaserJock | developers get software from upstreams | 11:03 |
| zorglu_ | LaserJock: on which data are they basing their decision ? | 11:03 |
| LaserJock | from themselves | 11:03 |
| zorglu_ | so their personnal opinions :) | 11:03 |
| LaserJock | the whole point of having developers is that they presumably have a good idea of what they are doing | 11:03 |
| LaserJock | no | 11:03 |
| zorglu_ | talk to me about non representative sample :) | 11:04 |
| LaserJock | Ubuntu developers often don't do what there personal opinions say | 11:04 |
| imbrandon | cbx33, pong | 11:04 |
| LaserJock | they do research about what the best decision is | 11:04 |
| cbx33 | hey imbrandon | 11:04 |
| cbx33 | get my pm? | 11:04 |
| LaserJock | and sometimes that's not the most popular decision | 11:04 |
| imbrandon | ahh /me looks | 11:04 |
| zorglu_ | LaserJock: ok what is this 'reasearch' ? | 11:04 |
| LaserJock | talking to upstreams, reading code | 11:04 |
| LaserJock | seeing what's up-and-coming | 11:05 |
| LaserJock | then figuring out the ramifications of doing X | 11:05 |
| zorglu_ | LaserJock: nothing to do with 'satisfying the users' there, no ? | 11:05 |
| LaserJock | "how will this affect the rest of the distro?" | 11:05 |
| LaserJock | haha | 11:05 |
| LaserJock | well if they go and break everything just because the users wanted newer X then that's not satisfying them either | 11:05 |
| zorglu_ | sure that providing non buggy software is one part of the game | 11:06 |
| zorglu_ | providing software usefull to the user is another part | 11:06 |
| zorglu_ | this is the second im talking about | 11:06 |
| LaserJock | but I'm not saying thow out data gathering althogther | 11:06 |
| LaserJock | I'm saying that it's deceptive | 11:06 |
| LaserJock | and difficult to do right | 11:06 |
| LaserJock | and in the end it might not be worth it | 11:07 |
| LaserJock | most of the time there isn't any clear winner | 11:07 |
| LaserJock | if I say "emacs vs vi" | 11:07 |
| LaserJock | or say "firefox vs. epiphany" | 11:07 |
| jussio1 | OK, got a question, now my package is uploaded, how do I go about gettiing it into debian? Is there someone who does this or do I need to do it myself? | 11:07 |
| LaserJock | it's not really going to help all that much to go out and gather user statistics | 11:08 |
| zorglu_ | ok i will sumarize my point for logging :) | 11:08 |
| LaserJock | jussio1: you should talk to debian-mentors, they have an irc channel on oftc and a mailing list | 11:08 |
| jussi01 | LaserJock: oftc? | 11:09 |
| LaserJock | jussi01: that's the irc network Debian uses | 11:10 |
| LaserJock | irc.debian.org will get you there I think | 11:10 |
| jussi01 | thanks | 11:10 |
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| superm1 | LaserJock, how did you come up with the list of who had sponsored your uploads in your app for core-dev? Just memory, or is there a way to look it up? | 11:11 |
| LaserJock | well | 11:13 |
| LaserJock | I actually did go through the .changes files on LP | 11:13 |
| LaserJock | found the key id of the person who signed it | 11:13 |
| LaserJock | then looked that key id up on biglumber.com | 11:13 |
| superm1 | that can be a bit time consuming, but it will get everyone i guess. | 11:13 |
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| LaserJock | that's why I was thinking it'd be cool to have that in LP | 11:14 |
| LaserJock | they have the data in the DB | 11:14 |
| superm1 | did you write to launchpad-users to suggest it? | 11:14 |
| LaserJock | not yet, I just did it this morning and am still at work | 11:14 |
| superm1 | ah | 11:14 |
| LaserJock | zorglu_: still writing? :-) | 11:17 |
| xxxxx1 | bye all! | 11:24 |
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| leonel | pochu: <pochu> leonel: or at least that's the plan :) <--- what plan ?? | 11:36 |
| leonel | to update clamav to 88.7 in dapper and start patching from there ? | 11:36 |
| pochu | leonel: to make gutsy+1 an LTS. | 11:36 |
| leonel | ok Perfect | 11:36 |
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| RainCT | keescook: Hi. Fix for bug #117156 fixed :) | 11:59 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 117156 in flobopuyo "Flobopuyo has no icon for the .desktop file" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117156 | 11:59 |
| leonel | I've updated firefox and it is the new version we need to push that for clamav ... | 12:05 |
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| alexises | bonjour | 12:11 |
| alexises | bien 'jai un problaime de packadging | 12:12 |
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| alexises | donc j'ai t trembaler de ubuntu-fr ubuntu-fr-classroomm et a vous | 12:12 |
| alexises | donc je suis en train de faire un paquet pour un mmorpg ceci est mon 1er paquet | 12:12 |
| alexises | lintain s'affole donc en cliar c'est lmorreur | 12:13 |
| alexises | mais je continue maintenent on me dit de faire 2 paquet | 12:13 |
| alexises | un paquet lendes ternelle et un paquet landes ternelle date | 12:13 |
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