[12:14] <LaserJock> blueyed: well, if it's a new upstream release I'd rather see the complete new source package
[12:15] <Hobbsee> blueyed: you may want to consider taking the package in debian, and any upload you make to there will sync to ubuntu, assuming the autosyncer is on.
[12:15] <LaserJock> debdiffs of new upstream releases can be a bit nasty
[12:15] <blueyed> Hobbsee: that seems to be the way to go, but I think it's easier to submit things using Launchpad than the Debian tracker.
[12:15] <LaserJock> well
[12:16] <LaserJock> you can certianly work from Ubuntu
[12:16] <Hobbsee> another email hater?  *g*
[12:16] <Peaker> LaserJock: isn't that a little dangerous? Anyone can gain some trust by doing some package work, and then sneak in evil modifications? Or are there checks and balances in place to prevent that?
[12:16] <blueyed> LaserJock: ok. I would then provide the whole package. I should also contact the current upstream first, of course.
[12:16] <LaserJock> and send your packages to the Debian maintainer too
[12:16] <blueyed> Hobbsee: yeah, the main reason :D
[12:16] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:16] <LaserJock> Peaker: that's what sponsorship is for
[12:17] <LaserJock> blueyed: I'm with you on the email thing, Debians BTS hates me
[12:17] <Peaker> LaserJock: sponsership prevents someone from sneaking in evil modifications?
[12:17] <LaserJock> Peaker: yes
[12:17] <LaserJock> that's the idea anyway
[12:17] <blueyed> Another question: if there's a main breakage in a package, is it worth being fixed in -updates?
[12:17] <LaserJock> blueyed: depends on how sever
[12:17] <Peaker> LaserJock: Where can I read about Ubuntu's concept of sponsership?
[12:18] <LaserJock> Peaker: what's there to read?
[12:18] <ajmitch> hi
[12:18] <LaserJock> MOTUs sponsor non-MOTUs
[12:18] <Peaker> LaserJock: sponsership as I know it is just funding a project, doesn't add up here :)
[12:18] <Peaker> LaserJock: but English is not my first language, anyway
[12:18] <LaserJock> Peaker: oh, sorry. in this context it means an person that uploads for another
[12:18] <LaserJock> *somebody* with upload rights has to upload
[12:19] <Peaker> and there's a pool of trusted sponsers who review the diffs they're uploading?
[12:19] <jmg> think of it as your upload being sponsored by another
[12:19] <LaserJock> Peaker: those are called MOTU
[12:19] <LaserJock> for  Universe anyway
[12:19] <Peaker> ah, thanks
[12:19] <blueyed> LaserJock: I'm talking about bug 88617 - it's the key feature of duplicity and it breaks with Python 2.5.
[12:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 88617 in duplicity "incremental backup does not work" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88617
[12:20] <Peaker> and becoming a MOTU is something that doesn't allow sneaking in evil people easily, I suppose
[12:20] <LaserJock> Peaker: well, we put our signature on each upload, and our rights are given by the Ubuntu Technical Board
[12:20] <LaserJock> Peaker: if you screw up, it get's noticed ;-)
[12:20] <blueyed> LaserJock: It would be nice if someone could change "Importance" there, btw. I've already attached a debdiff - without changelog; it's kind of my first.
[12:20] <Peaker> LaserJock: could be a silent backdoor or something :)
[12:21] <LaserJock> and if you notice there are a lot of MOTU running around, it does take some trust and experience
[12:21] <ScottK> keescook: Bug 117988
[12:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 117988 in clamav "Remote attack in OLE parser and PDF handler" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117988
[12:22] <LaserJock> blueyed: hmm, is Medium good?
[12:22] <blueyed> LaserJock: for this package, I would consider it "High".
[12:23] <blueyed> You always get full backups, because any file gets considered new.
[12:23] <pochu> blueyed: you should think that's an Ubuntu bug, not an upstream bug :)
[12:23] <pochu> !importance
[12:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about importance - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:23] <LaserJock> blueyed: done
[12:24] <LaserJock> blueyed: I don't think it really matters much, but it makes you feel better :-)
[12:24] <keescook> ScottK: heh, wasn't flagged as security.  :)  fixing that now
[12:24] <blueyed> pochu: "Has a severe impact on a non-core application" seems to fit (Medium)
[12:25] <blueyed> Thanks, LaserJock. What about uploading this to -updates then? :)
[12:26] <LaserJock> blueyed: not quite that easy ;-)
[12:26] <LaserJock> blueyed: it needs to be fixed and then it needs to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU
[12:26] <LaserJock> *fixed in gutsy
[12:27] <pochu> blueyed: yeah, that fits it :)
[12:28] <LaserJock> ok, I changed it to Medium, just because I love giving people lots of bugmail ;-)
[12:28] <keescook> leonel: looks like you didn't update the debian/patches/00list file, so the patch isn't applied during the build.  :(
[12:28] <keescook> leonel: do you have any reproducers to test with, btw?
[12:29] <leonel> keescook: I patched  the source  searching  for diffs  from the new version     so I didn't    do a  patch  < patch.diff
[12:30] <blueyed> LaserJock: apparently there will be a (much improved) new release in a few days. I'll wait for it and then try to file a SRU.
[12:30] <blueyed> THANK YOU ALL! :)
[12:30] <keescook> leonel: I'm not sure I understand one, but what I was saying was that "pdf-ole-bugfix.patch.dpatch" was missing from debian/patches/00list
[12:31] <leonel> keescook:  I did  a   dpatch-edit-patch  pdf-ole-bugfix.patch     and  in the shell  I  edited  the  files  only
[12:31] <leonel> I didn't  touch any other file  
[12:32] <pochu> blueyed: just FYI, the SRU should be just a fix for the bug, not an entire new release :)
[12:32] <keescook> leonel: right, after the dpatch-edit-patch, you need to add your new patch to debian/patches/00list or it gets ignored by dpatch :(
[12:32] <pochu> blueyed: But the new release could go to -backports, though.
[12:33] <blueyed> pochu: so, for the SRU wouldn't the provided debdiff not be enough?
[12:33] <blueyed> (it's against Feisty)
[12:33] <leonel> keescook:  I did it like squirrelmail without  patch system ...
[12:34] <leonel> keescook: start over ?
[12:34] <leonel> or is there a way to recover from where we are ?
[12:34] <keescook> leonel: no need to start over; you just have one missing step :)
[12:34] <keescook> two other suggestions:
[12:35] <keescook> number the patch (say, 50_...) to match the others
[12:35] <keescook> then add it to the debian/patches/00list file
[12:36] <pochu> blueyed: looks ok (if it fixes the bug). But as LaserJock said, you should fix Gutsy first :)
[12:36] <leonel> ok I'm  in  debian/patches
[12:36] <keescook> leonel: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PatchingSources "ed: dpatch"
[12:36] <leonel> now what do I do ?
[12:36] <keescook> I would do this:
[12:36] <leonel> ok
[12:37] <blueyed> pochu: Gutsy would be fixed by the new release..?! So, should I provide a .debdiff for Gutsy, too - then another one for Feisty (which changelog)?
[12:37] <keescook> mv pdf-ole-bugfix.patch.dpatch 50_pdf-ole-bugfix.patch.dpatch; echo "50_pdf-ole-bugfix.patch.dpatch" >> 00list
[12:37] <keescook> also, I would change your changelog to conform more to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityUpdateProcedures
[12:38] <keescook> maybe like this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23508/
[12:38] <pochu> blueyed: If you're going to fix it with the new upstream release, no need for a debdiff. I thought you were waiting for the new upstream release to backport it to -updates, which isn't possible at all :)
[12:41] <leonel> keescook: to edit   changelog do I need to run  again  dch -i ?
[12:42] <keescook> leonel: I recommend "dch -e"  (edit)  vs -i (insert)
[12:43] <blueyed> pochu: so, then the current debdiff for feisty seems to be enough for now?! Should I "clean it up", to include a changelog entry?
[12:44] <leonel> keescook: done !
[12:45] <leonel> keescook: now ?   debuild -S -uc -us  ?
[12:46] <keescook> leonel: debuild -uc -us   to build it, yes, as before
[12:46] <pochu> blueyed: sure, the changelog is a *must*
[12:47] <pochu> blueyed: you can use "dch -i", it will create a new entry for you (which you should modify to fit your needs)
[12:47] <leonel> dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libbz2-dev libmilter-dev libgmp3-dev libwrap0-dev libcurl3-dev
[12:47] <leonel> running with -S
[12:47] <keescook> leonel: however you built it before, do that again.  :)
[12:47] <leonel>   debuild -S -uc -us  
[12:48] <leonel> done
[12:48] <keescook> In general, I recommend pbuilder or sbuild
[12:48] <leonel> now pbuilder ?
[12:51] <leonel> keescook:   pbuilding ...
[12:51] <blueyed> Is there a syntax for "Close LP bug"? Could not find anything on the wiki.
[12:52] <blueyed> (in changelog)
[12:52] <ajmitch> Fixes LP: #12345
[12:53] <ajmitch> or similar
[12:53] <ajmitch> I believe it matches on the LP: #number part
[12:53] <keescook> ajmitch: I was wondering if the "Fixes " was needed; I swear I did an upload with (LP: #...) and it didn't close.
[12:54] <ajmitch> let me check the source
[12:55] <ajmitch> while ($f{'Changes'} =~ /lp:\s+\#\d+(?:,\s*\#\d+)*/ig) {
[12:55] <ajmitch> just need to unpack that :)
[12:56] <ajmitch> so it can take multiple bug numbers
[01:01] <blueyed> On https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU it says "The upload target must be release-proposed" - I think that has been changed, correct? Can I remove this line?
[01:01] <pochu> So I'm off to bed, good night MOTUland!
[01:01] <blueyed> G'night, pochu!
[01:04] <leonel> keescook: pbuilded    now  debdiff and send again ?
[01:04] <blueyed> So I've attached a new debdiff to bug 88617 - can someone sponsor it?
[01:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 88617 in duplicity "incremental backup does not work" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88617
[01:04] <keescook> leonel: before sending, see if you can find a "bad" ole2 or pdf file, so you can verify the fix
[01:05] <leonel> keescook: ok
[01:10] <crimsun> hmm
[01:10] <crimsun> I think the most recent change to procps just broke our ALSA debugging script.
[01:10] <crimsun> I'll just work around it by using sudo, I suppose.
[01:13] <keescook> crimsun: ah, was scanning root-owned maps files?
[01:13] <crimsun> right
[01:14] <crimsun> lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/audio* /dev/mixer* /dev/snd/*
[01:14] <crimsun> it's definitely a nice security feature
[01:15] <crimsun> regardless, not an issue we can't work around.
[01:15] <keescook> okay, good.  I want to be aware of other stuff it could break, so this is a good example; thanks.
[01:16] <crimsun> np
[01:17] <keescook> crimsun: actually, I don't see a behavior difference?
[01:18] <keescook> how does it break?  (I just turned it off, and tried the lsof again with the same output)
[01:18] <crimsun> keescook: I use pulseaudio
[01:18] <keescook> ah!
[01:19] <crimsun> (via pulseaudio-esound-compat, that is)
[01:40] <leonel> keescook: found  a OLE2  file  in https://wwws.clamav.net/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=466     tested   the  builded clamav  and  all went  ok
[01:40] <ubotu> wwws.clamav.net bug 466 in libclamav "Denial of service in OLE2 parser" [Blocker,Resolved: fixed]  
[01:41] <leonel> keescook: leonel@ubuntu:/etc/clamav$ clamscan ~/Desktop/002.pps 
[01:41] <leonel> /home/leonel/Desktop/002.pps: OK
[01:41] <leonel> now waiting for a mail  with the  a  pdf to test  since in clamav bugzilla  I'm not allowed to get the  test  pdf  ...
[02:23] <AndyP> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentoring/Contributor  - shall i change the email address to the new mentors list in the first bullet point?
[02:26] <crimsun> AndyP: yes, please
[02:46] <AndyP> right, that looks a bit better
[02:48] <AndyP> sleep time, good night
[02:51] <mwolson> does anyone know who i should contact if i want to start a new "ubuntu-emacs" mailing list?
[02:51] <mwolson> i've had several people ask about the existence of one, (akin to debian-emacsen), so i'd like to start one
[02:52] <LaserJock> well, mailing lists seem hard to come by these days
[02:54] <zakame> hmm, for discussing packaging emacs in ubuntu?
[02:54] <zakame> (good morning btw :D)
[02:54] <mwolson> zakame: yes, pretty much
[02:54] <LaserJock> well, it seems like they don't want mailing lists for development stuff
[02:54] <jmg> it doesnt get created by LP when a new team is developed?
[02:54] <LaserJock> no
[02:54] <mwolson> Emacs Lisp packaging policy would also be discussed on it
[02:54] <LaserJock> LP doesn't have mailing lists yet
[02:55] <jmg> LaserJock: why dont "they" want mailing lists?
[02:55] <StevenK> They being the Canonical Sysadmins
[02:55] <jmg> the cabal
[02:55] <LaserJock> well, specifically I tried to get ubuntu-tex
[02:55] <StevenK> TINC
[02:55] <LaserJock> and Matt Zimmerman requested that I not
[02:55] <minghua> LaserJock is still bitter about the rejection for ubuntu-tex :-)
[02:55] <StevenK> LaserJock: What was mdz's reason?
[02:55] <mwolson> that's strange
[02:55] <jmg> rationale?
[02:56] <LaserJock> because development discussion should be on ubuntu-devel{,discuss}
[02:56] <jmg> but thats high traffic
[02:56] <LaserJock> he doesn't want to break it up
[02:56] <StevenK> It so isn't.
[02:56] <jmg> it isnt?
[02:56] <jmg> well, d-d is
[02:56] <LaserJock> ubuntu-devel is fairly low traffic
[02:56] <LaserJock> IMO
[02:56] <StevenK> I'm used to debian-devel traffic levels.
[02:56] <LaserJock> I would rather have had an ubuntu-tex mailing list
[02:56] <minghua> -devel-discuss is probably a bit high, -devel is very manageable
[02:57] <LaserJock> but I see Matt's point
[02:57] <StevenK> Heck even, debian-project is averaging 50 messages a day at this point. Bloody svenl.
[02:57] <jmg> heh
[02:57] <minghua> isn't he already banned?
[02:58] <StevenK> Yes. The fallout is still going on.
[02:58] <ajmitch> oh, svenl discussion spills over to here?
[02:59] <LaserJock> anyway
[02:59] <crimsun> the svenl, heh.
[02:59] <LaserJock> mwolson: you can always ask for ubuntu-emacs but I'm thinking your chances of actually getting it aren't great
[02:59] <crimsun> hah, so many people have used our ALSA debugging script that pastebin.ca has flagged it as spam
[02:59] <jmg> do I want to know? :)
[03:00] <LaserJock> I put in for ubuntu-emacs and ubuntu-science and haven't heard anything about them
[03:00] <LaserJock> I think Jono is in charge of mailing lists
[03:00] <StevenK> ajmitch: My fault.
[03:00] <LaserJock> and obviosly he's out traveling the world instead ;-)
[03:00] <_MMA_> LaserJock: elmo set our up.
[03:00] <mwolson> LaserJock: who specifically should i contact in order to try convincing them?
[03:00] <_MMA_> *ours
[03:01] <crimsun> _MMA_: US is also a derivative, not a specific component common to all (base and derivs)
[03:01] <LaserJock> mwolson: well, I guess you could email ubuntu-devel and get opinions first
[03:01] <LaserJock> yeah, special treatment for special derivs
[03:01] <mwolson> LaserJock: thanks
[03:01] <LaserJock> ;-)
[03:02] <_MMA_> crimsun: I just mentioned it because Im unsure jono handles the lists.
[03:02] <LaserJock> I think he might at least be involved with the approval
[03:02] <zakame> doesn't debian's policy help?
[03:02] <LaserJock> elmo would be the actual one setting it up since he's a sysadmin
[03:02] <LaserJock> zakame: help what?
[03:30] <superm1> ScottK, would you be able to re-ack the changes that crimsun had asked me to make to libhdhomerun?  The new revu url is http://revu.tauware.de./details.py?upid=5336.  Thanks!
[03:43] <mwolson> LaserJock: out of curiosity, how stringent have the membership requirements been for the ubuntu-tex Launchpad group?  i'm trying to decide this for ubuntu-emacs
[03:44] <mwolson> i.e. developers-only, or was any interested party permitted to join?
[03:59] <joejaxx> anyone else here running native gutsy?
[03:59] <ajmitch> of course
[04:00] <joejaxx> i was wondering if linux-image-2.6.22-5-generic being broken was not a isolated matter in my case
[04:00] <jmg> joejaxx: wfmtm
[04:00] <joejaxx> jmg: ?
[04:00] <ajmitch> define 'broken'
[04:01] <joejaxx> Unpacking linux-image-2.6.22-5-generic (from .../linux-image-2.6.22-5-generic_2.6.22-5.11_i386.deb) ...
[04:01] <joejaxx> Error setting debconf flags in linux-image-2.6.22-5-generic/preinst/bootloader-initrd-2.6.22-5-generic: linux-image-2.6.22-5-generic/preinst/bootloader-initrd-2.6.22-5-generic doesn't exist at /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst line 205, <STDIN> line 3.
[04:02] <jmg> works for me tm
[04:02] <etank> what would be the recommended way to take a debian .deb file and redo it for Feisty>
[04:02] <etank> ?
[04:03] <ajmitch> joejaxx: wfm
[04:03] <ajmitch> etank: just rebuild it
[04:03] <etank> ajmitch: how do you do that?
[04:04] <etank> the file is http://packages.debian.org/unstable/editors/scribes
[04:07] <ajmitch> simplest method is to add the deb-src line for debian, apt-get build-dep scribes
[04:07] <ajmitch> apt-get install build-essential devscripts
[04:07] <ajmitch> apt-get source scribes
[04:07] <ajmitch> go into the scribes directory, and debuild
[04:08] <etank> scribes is not in the ubuntu repos though
[04:08] <ajmitch> hence " add the deb-src line for debian"
[04:08] <ajmitch> which is something like:
[04:08] <ajmitch> deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main
[04:09] <etank> you mean in the /etc/apt/sources.list file?
[04:09] <LaserJock> mwolson: you know, I started with accepting pretty much everybody
[04:09] <ajmitch> etank: yep
[04:09] <ajmitch> LaserJock: even people like me?
[04:10] <LaserJock> mwolson: I then deactived people without an email address with message that they should send me their email to get reactivated
[04:10] <mwolson> *nods*
[04:10] <LaserJock> mwolson: so I ended up with 12 people
[04:11] <LaserJock> and so far it's mostly been me and Fujitsu 
[04:11] <minghua> bug 117517 is really a scary bug
[04:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 117517 in octave2.9 "octave is linking incorrectly BLAS/ATLAS libraries" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117517
[04:11] <ajmitch> minghua: scary to fix?
[04:11] <minghua> ajmitch: no, scary as "silently generate wrong result"
[04:12] <LaserJock> minghua: yeah, definately send that one upstream
[04:12] <ajmitch> *ouch*
[04:12] <ajmitch> that's pretty critical for octave
[04:12] <minghua> LaserJock: by upstream you mean Debian?
[04:12] <mwolson> LaserJock: that membership policy sounds about right to me
[04:13] <LaserJock> I'd like to put octave in Main for gutsy
[04:13] <LaserJock> minghua: yes
[04:13] <LaserJock> mwolson: it depends on what you want to do
[04:13] <minghua> LaserJock: yeah, will do once I reproduce it
[04:13] <LaserJock> mwolson: I wanted to have testers and bug fixers too
[04:13] <StevenK> LaserJock: Because then you can't touch it? :-P
[04:13] <LaserJock> StevenK: well, I plan on going for core-dev in the next few days so no
[04:14] <LaserJock> I want to put it in Edubuntu
[04:14] <ajmitch> it's a fairly useful program
[04:14] <mwolson> LaserJock: i'm also trying to decide whether i should subscribe the group to bugs of various packages; it's hard to figure out what the scope of this thing should be
[04:14] <LaserJock> mwolson: you might do a core set of packages
[04:15] <LaserJock> mwolson: you probably don't want *everything* emacs related
[04:15] <mwolson> yeah, that would be rather large
[04:15] <LaserJock> with ubuntu-tex I set us as a bug contact for the packages that debian-tex maintains
[04:16] <LaserJock> sort of gives a 1:1 correspondence in the teams
[04:20] <etank> ajmitch: i added that line to the source.list but it does not find the deb file for scribes after an update
[04:21] <ajmitch> etank: change etch to sid, and you won't be able to get it with apt-get install
[04:22] <etank> ajmitch: i was trying to do an aptitude search to see the file
[04:24] <ajmitch> right, which won't work
[04:26] <etank> but apt-get source will?
[04:26] <ajmitch> should do, yes, and will retrieve & unpack into the current directory
[04:27] <crimsun> ooh! ooh! More hda-intel screwage.
[04:27] <etank> sweet, now that it is sid in the source.list it is working
[04:27] <crimsun> sorry, just couldn't curb my enthusiasm.
[04:28] <ajmitch> crimsun: yay!
[04:29] <crimsun> whose braindead idea was it to put the friggin modem before the audio codec?  Anyhow...
[04:30] <ajmitch> dunno, I've never had the modem working in my laptop :)
[04:30] <ajmitch> I should probably try & get it going one day
[04:31] <ajmitch> if that's even possible
[04:31] <crimsun> should be, though you may need to use non-free/binary-only parts.
[04:32] <ajmitch> :0:> less /proc/asound/card0/codec#1
[04:32] <ajmitch> Codec: Conexant ID 2bfa
[04:32] <ajmitch> I'd say that's fairly likely
[04:32] <crimsun> ah, much love/hate for Conexant.
[04:32] <ajmitch> love to hate, I presume
[04:34] <etank> ajmitch: just wondering, why doesn't the aptitude search work?
[04:35] <ajmitch> because it only searches binary package records
[04:35] <ajmitch> which are anything you can install directly, rather than having to compile
[04:36] <etank> do i run debuild as root?
[04:36] <etank> or with sudo really?
[04:37] <LaserJock> as yourself
[04:37] <crimsun> i.e., nonprivileged user.
[04:37] <crimsun> debuild already handles fakeroot as per necessary
[04:37] <etank> dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: dpatch intltool
[04:37] <etank> I installed all of the stuff that it was asking for i thought
[04:37] <crimsun> well, you do need to install the build-deps from clean::
[04:38] <crimsun> are you trying to generate a source package or the binaries from the source package?
[04:39] <etank> crimsun: i am trying to take a deb package that is available in debian and redo it for feisty
[04:39] <minghua> ajmitch, LaserJock: I can't reproduce bug #117517 on Debian, can either of you try for gutsy (or confirm it for feisty)?
[04:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 117517 in octave2.9 "octave is linking incorrectly BLAS/ATLAS libraries" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117517
[04:39] <etank> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/editors/scribes to be exact
[04:39] <crimsun> etank: I think you really want to use pbuilder.
[04:40] <etank> sorry, i've never done any of this before so it is all new to me
[04:41] <leonel> well  got to go
[04:41] <leonel> good night everyone
[04:42] <crimsun> well look at the time -
[04:42] <crimsun> :-)
[04:42] <crimsun> minghua: sure, what's up?
[04:42] <etank> crimsun: any tips on using pbuilder?
[04:43] <minghua> crimsun: I'm using Debian, should I go to #alsa instead?
[04:43] <LaserJock> minghua: I can't reproduce on i386 Feisty
[04:43] <crimsun> etank: right, use dget with the dsc, and pass the dsc to pbuilder)
[04:43] <minghua> LaserJock: probably a 64bit-only problem
[04:43] <etank> crimsun: you just soared above my head
[04:43] <crimsun> minghua: it'll just be me or wishie answering your question anyway.  Pick a channel.
[04:44] <crimsun> etank: scribes from Sid?
[04:44] <etank> crimsun: yup
[04:44] <crimsun> etank: right.  dget http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/scribes/scribes_0.3.2.5-2.dsc && pbuilder build scribes_0.3.2.5-2.dsc
[04:45] <ajmitch> requires pbuilder to be setup first
[04:45] <crimsun> I'm hoping etank is resourceful to the point of installing pbuilder with a package manager and reading its man page. :-)
[04:46] <etank> i have pbuilder installed
[04:46] <etank> but this is the first time i have ever tried to use it
[04:47] <crimsun> right, so first you need to create one.
[04:48] <etank> running 'sudo ptuilder create' now
[04:49] <effie_jayx> nixternal,  hey... 
[04:49] <nixternal> yo yo
[04:49] <ajmitch> hello nixternal 
[04:49] <etank> hi effie_jayx 
[04:50] <effie_jayx> nixternal,  could you give me a hand? :S
[04:50] <nixternal> I can try :)
[04:50] <etank> crimsun: so pbuilder uses a chrooted env to build the deb?
[04:51] <crimsun> yep.
[04:51] <effie_jayx> nixternal,  same issue as earlier
[04:51] <effie_jayx> :S
[04:51] <etank> crimsun: so running the pbuilder create and then the command you showed earlier should work
[04:52] <effie_jayx> etank,  sup brother
[04:52] <effie_jayx> ok nixternal  be back in a sec
[04:52] <crimsun> etank: if gutsy currently satisfies the build-dependencies at the very least, perhaps.
[04:53] <crimsun> At least it's a starting point.
[04:53] <nixternal> heh, cool...my brother called me with a windows problem with wmp...I told him to go to hell! :) hahah he is mad at me
[04:53] <crimsun> nixternal will be happy to help you with the remaining issues.
[04:53] <nixternal> crimsun: hahahahaha
[04:53] <nixternal> thanks!
[04:53] <crimsun> np!
[04:54] <etank> 'pbuilder create' takes some time 
[04:54] <ajmitch> etank: yep, the tarball it creates to use for builds is about 80-100MB
[04:56] <crimsun> the link (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing) in the topic is a great starting point.
[04:59] <effie_jayx> nixternal,  ok.. I am doing grab-merge
[05:00] <effie_jayx> and I will check where the package gets corrupted
[05:01] <etank> crimsun: when i do the command that you posted i get a permissions problem
[05:02] <crimsun> etank: you probably need sudo prepended.
[05:02] <etank> mkdir: cannot create directory `/var/cache/pbuilder/build//12296': Permission denied
[05:02] <etank> E: failed to build the directory to chroot
[05:02] <crimsun> right.  See above.
[05:02] <etank> that was with sudo
[05:03] <effie_jayx> fakeroot?
[05:05] <etank> changed it to dget http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/scribes/scribes_0.3.2.5-2.dsc && sudo pbuilder build scribes_0.3.2.5-2.dsc
[05:05] <etank> and it seems to be working
[05:09] <etank> ajmitch and crimsun: no matter what happens here, thanks for all the help
[05:09] <ajmitch> no problem
[05:12] <etank> i tried to do this whole thing with a ./configure; make; checkinstall; but it failed every time
[05:13] <etank> the pbuilder finished. where does it place the deb
[05:13] <ajmitch> right, checkinstall is a bit of an evil hack
[05:13] <etank> or what is the next step
[05:13] <ajmitch> in /var/cache/pbuilder/result I think
[05:14] <etank> there is a scribes_0.3.2.5-2_all.deb now so i assume that is it
[05:18] <etank> holy cow
[05:18] <etank> it freakin worked
[05:18] <etank> i now have a .deb file that works with feisty
[05:18] <etank> that is soooo cool
[05:18] <ajmitch> great
[05:19] <minghua> stay away from checkinstall next time :-)
[05:19] <etank> sure thing
[05:19] <etank> i have been trying to get this done for weeks
[05:20] <etank> thanks to all of you again
[05:20] <etank> how do you get this in the universe for feisty or feisty+1?
[05:20] <ajmitch> it's already in gutsy 
[05:20] <etank> sweet
[05:21] <etank> so i did all this for nothing? :(
[05:21] <ajmitch> it was just imported from debian & built on ubuntu, same as you've done
[05:21] <etank> except the learning experience of course
[05:21] <ajmitch> packages from a newer version (eg gutsy) don't always install on an older version without needing quite a number of other packages
[05:21] <etank> still it was very fun to do
[05:22] <superm1> crimsun, would you be able to finish going over that revu from libhdhomerun?  I fixed the two things that you had asked and reuploaded.
[05:23] <ajmitch> etank: now you can move on to some more difficult tasks & get involved with MOTU :)
[05:23] <etank> ajmitch: baby steps here
[05:23] <ajmitch> of course
[05:23] <ajmitch> we're not going to throw you in the deep end
[05:23] <ajmitch> much
[05:23] <etank> i am very new to all of this
[05:23] <nixternal> etank: hold on to them baby steps, they work for excuses later one :)
[05:23] <nixternal> s/one/on
[05:24] <nixternal> effie_jayx: are you still having the same issue? what package was that for?
[05:24] <etank> what is the best place to start with the motu then?
[05:24] <effie_jayx> nixternal,  clamav
[05:24] <etank> nixternal: noted :)
[05:25] <effie_jayx> nixternal,  I did a debdiff and I am about tho add the fix to the patch
[05:26] <ajmitch> etank: some good stuff on the wiki, we've started a new mentoring program too
[05:26] <ajmitch> depends on what you want to do, too
[05:26] <ajmitch> like packaging new programs
[05:26] <effie_jayx> etank,  look at this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Merging
[05:26] <etank> ajmitch: my main interest right now is in python (but i'm still learning it)
[05:27] <effie_jayx> nixternal,  did you find it?
[05:27] <ajmitch> etank: right, there's a lot of python stuff in ubuntu, thankfully
[05:28] <etank> ajmitch: i am still learning python though
[05:28] <ajmitch> the MOTU team mostly handles packaging, but there are people who are working on writing code for various projects
[05:29] <nixternal> effie_jayx: grabbing it now
[05:29] <ajmitch> a place to start, is the mentoring area: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentoring/Contributor
[05:30] <ajmitch> it has a few good links there
[05:32] <etank> ajmitch: so just so that i understand, all of what is just did is included in gutsy?
[05:33] <ajmitch> yep
[05:34] <etank> cool
[05:34] <ajmitch> new packages in debian since feisty froze for release have been imported into gutsy
[05:35] <nixternal> effie_jayx: are you adding a new patch to this merge or are you trying to build out the merge as is?
[05:36] <etank> ajmitch: you have been so much help to me tonight ( even if everything done will be in feisty+1 )
[05:36] <etank> i really do appreciate it
[05:36] <etank> this is one of the reasons that i LOVE the Ubuntu distro so much
[05:37] <effie_jayx> nixternal,  I am trying to add the patch to the merge
[05:37] <etank> same goes for crimsun 
[05:37] <effie_jayx> nixternal,  I had done it ... but then the package wouldn't build... :S
[05:37] <nixternal> effie_jayx: which patch is it?
[05:39] <effie_jayx> nixternal,  clamav_0.90.3-1ubuntu1.patch
[05:40] <nixternal> effie_jayx: why are you adding that patch, better yet why are you applying that patch to the source dir created?
[05:40] <nixternal> and I see why that patch would have an issue
[05:40] <nixternal> "datos est<E9> al d<ED>a.
[05:42] <effie_jayx> nixternal,  well I haven't touched the patch yet
[05:42] <nixternal> it is that whole "ascii character" thing...if you look at the patch in vi or emacs compared to looking at the patch with less..you will see it
[05:42] <effie_jayx> nixternal,  I have to fix clamav-daemon.init.in with the change 
[05:42] <effie_jayx> nixternal,  should I use vi?
[05:55] <etank> crimsun and ajmitch: i hope that you don't mind but i just made a post to mu blog about the help that you have provided to me tonight. It was all good.
[05:55] <ajmitch> fine by me :)
[05:56] <etank> the two of you (in my mind) embody what makes ubuntu such a great distro to contribut my time and effort to.
[05:56] <ajmitch> some of us live here, so you'll probably find help most hours of the day
[05:56] <nixternal> effie_jayx: with that patch, you need to remove all of the /po stuff in order for it to work...I don't know exactly why that stuff gets in there..but it was the same issue I had with the courier package
[05:56] <etank> ajmitch: im on most of the time too (just not in this channel)
[05:57] <nixternal> if you look at the Ubuntu patch, it has po changes to remove 2007 dates and replace them with 2005 dates
[05:57] <nixternal> that sounds like regression from Debian to me ;)
[05:57] <ajmitch> LaserJock: uh oh, what now? :)
[05:57] <nixternal> LaserJock: heh, slow down, you are making me look bad
[05:57] <effie_jayx> nixternal,  mmmm 
[05:57] <ajmitch> nixternal: he's taking over
[05:58] <nixternal> heh, it is all apart of his world domination, and we aren't included
[05:58] <nixternal> grrr
[05:58] <LaserJock> *cough* yeah right *cough*
[05:59] <effie_jayx> nixternal,  strange how ScottK  worked it out ok no need for date change
[05:59] <nixternal> ScottK: did you remove the /po stuff from the ubuntu patch for clamav?
[06:04] <LaserJock> nixternal: Fridge is easier then I thought it was, I should have done this a long time ago
[06:04] <effie_jayx> nixternal,  same issue ... :S
[06:04] <effie_jayx> nixternal,  I can't see the chars you are telling me about ... the patch I did not touch... 
[06:05] <nixternal> effie_jayx: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23540/
[06:06] <nixternal> effie_jayx: if you look at the clamav_0.93.3-1ubuntu1.patch there are po files in there
[06:06] <nixternal> those are what is causing the issue
[06:06] <nixternal> ahh, pastebin shows the correct char with a ? instead
[06:06] <nixternal> but still, you can see a different just by viewing the patch with 2 different commands
[06:07] <effie_jayx> yeah
[06:07] <nixternal> it was the same issue with courier...we had to remove the po/ references in order for it to build correctly
[06:07] <nixternal> man...I have freakin' split screen term, I could have just screenshotted that one :)
[06:07] <Hobbsee> OMG crack!
[06:07] <Hobbsee> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2756004#post2756004
[06:08] <ajmitch> Hobbsee's awake again :)
[06:08] <Hobbsee> yeah
[06:08] <ajmitch> actually the kernel team will probably say that the kernel is one thing that can be used on feisty with few problems
[06:09] <ajmitch> 16:35 < BenC> jmg: here's a better idea, just install the gutsy kernel on feisty
[06:09] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:09] <ajmitch> 16:35 < BenC> I wouldn't tell you to do it if it would break :)
[06:09] <ajmitch> so not really *that* crackful
[06:09] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[06:10] <ajmitch> though I'm surprised that anything depended on libc6
[06:10] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:10] <effie_jayx> nixternal,  I am so frustrated :S
[06:11] <ajmitch> ah, linux-headers-2.6.22-5-generic does
[06:11] <nixternal> effie_jayx: http://www.nixternal.com/tmp/foobar.jpg
[06:11] <nixternal> there, better reprsentation of what I was talking about
[06:13] <effie_jayx> nixternal,  I can see that...
[06:13] <effie_jayx> but mine does not have the spanish text on it... so therefor no issues there
[06:13] <nixternal> orly
[06:14] <effie_jayx> orly?
[06:14] <nixternal> oh really :)
[06:14] <effie_jayx> ajam
[06:14] <effie_jayx> where did you get that file?
[06:14] <nixternal> hehe
[06:14] <nixternal> clamav_0.90.3-1ubuntu1.patch
[06:15] <nixternal> got it from grabmerge
[06:15] <effie_jayx> i'm pasting mine...
[06:16] <effie_jayx> nixternal,  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23541/
[06:16] <effie_jayx> that's my file
[06:17] <nixternal> hrmm
[06:18] <nixternal> your patch is way different than mine
[06:18] <nixternal> err, grabmerge clamav
[06:20] <effie_jayx> nixternal,  :S hehehe
[06:20] <effie_jayx> and I thought this was going to be piece of cake... 
[06:21] <nixternal> wth...so why do I get a different patch than you do?
[06:21] <nixternal> I must be missing some locales or something...my config isn't right
[06:22] <effie_jayx> it's probably mine
[06:22] <effie_jayx> nixternal,  http://dad.dunnewind.net/universe.php ????
[06:22] <nixternal> well this is the 2nd package I have noticed this with, and I think ScottK noticed the same with courier
[06:23] <nixternal> are you grabbing from dad?
[06:23] <nixternal> hah, I am grabbing from mom
[06:24] <nixternal> heh, hahahahahahahahaha
[06:25] <ajmitch> someone please restrain nixternal 
[06:25] <nixternal> man...I couldn't
[06:25] <nixternal> I became "one of those people who have no idea what the conversation is about" right there
[06:25] <effie_jayx> nixternal,  ScottK  suggested DaD
[06:25] <nixternal> Hobbsee: if some self-help group comes across the log, they will be emailing you
[06:25] <Hobbsee> nixternal: heh
[06:25] <Hobbsee> hooray, more email
[06:25] <nixternal> hahah
[06:26] <nixternal> I am going to try DaD now
[06:28] <nixternal> dad is quite sloooow
[06:28] <effie_jayx> nixternal,  :S 
[06:29] <effie_jayx> people say
[06:29] <effie_jayx> this is all about the learning curve...
[06:29] <effie_jayx> But BOY did I get the Nolan Ryan Curve....
[06:29] <nixternal> ya, totally different downloads between mom and dad
[06:31] <effie_jayx> nixternal,  can you try building the one you are downloading?
[06:31] <nixternal> will do right now
[06:31] <nixternal> running in pbuilder right now
[06:32] <effie_jayx> nixternal,  cool
[06:32] <LaserJock> ajmitch: do we need ~ubuntu-meninwhitecoats ?
[06:33] <LaserJock> just to keep nixternal down to managable levels
[06:33] <nixternal> whoa whoa now...what did I do to deserve that one?
[06:33] <nixternal> ;p
[06:33] <nixternal> and what is up with the "meninwhitecoats" today? that is the 2nd time I have seen such reference
[06:34] <nixternal> it built fine here
[06:35] <nixternal> clamav build fairly quick...wasn't expecting that
[06:35] <effie_jayx> nixternal,  ok ok ok .... what did I do wrong?
[06:35] <LaserJock> nixternal: well, I could say that you would be a magnet for such comments, but I don't know
[06:35] <nixternal> oooh, funny tonight are we ? :P
[06:35] <ajmitch> that would be mean
[06:36] <nixternal> ajmitch: awww, like you really care ;)
[06:36] <LaserJock> nixternal: don't make me threaten you with a Fridge story ;-)
[06:36] <nixternal> man, that would have been great to do that Adam Sandler style
[06:36] <effie_jayx> nixternal,  let's run through it shall we?
[06:36] <ajmitch> nixternal: I do, really
[06:36] <nixternal> LaserJock: don't make me delete your account!
[06:36] <nixternal> booyah!
[06:36] <LaserJock> I could delete yours first so :p
[06:36] <effie_jayx> nixternal,  you went ahead and build without the changes?
[06:36] <nixternal> shoot, actually I think you could delete mine too
[06:37] <nixternal> effie_jayx: I build straight from the .dsc file downloaded
[06:39] <effie_jayx> mmmmmm
[06:40] <nixternal> all you need to do with the ubuntu patch is verified that it has been applied correctly...the file you download has it already implemented
[06:40] <effie_jayx> then no changes needed?
[06:40] <nixternal> nope
[06:40] <effie_jayx> ok
[06:40] <nixternal> just verify that all changes from the patch are complete, and then fix up the changelog and you are good to go
[06:41] <effie_jayx> gotcha
[06:43] <effie_jayx> nixternal,  but I don't get one thing
[06:43] <nixternal> what's that?
[06:43] <nixternal> don't feel bad, I don't get anything...I play it by ear until the trinity tells me to cram it
[06:43] <jussi01> morning all!!
[06:44] <nixternal> 17 minutes until I can call it morning here :) but, good morning there jussi01 
[06:44] <jussi01> hello nixternal
[06:44] <jussi01> 7.44 am here
[06:45] <effie_jayx> nixternal,  check this .diff           http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23543/
[06:45] <effie_jayx> the last line tells me I should check for that change
[06:45] <effie_jayx> in that file 
[06:46] <nixternal> i see stop) as the last line
[06:47] <nixternal> otherwise known as the TRINITY
[06:47] <jussi01> hehe :D
[06:47] <ajmitch> nixternal: sorry, I'm not
[06:49] <jussi01> well the latest URL is: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5337 (mnemosyne) - enjoy... :D
[06:51] <LaserJock> hmm, isn't the trinity crimsun ajmitch and crimsun?
[06:51] <effie_jayx> nixternal,  I check if the change was added and it wasn't
[06:51] <jussi01> LaserJock: lol
[06:51] <nixternal> ahhh
[06:51] <nixternal> let me look at it
[06:51] <effie_jayx> check patch ... last lines
[06:52] <jussi01> LaserJock: I thought it was more crimsun crimsun and crimsun... :P
[06:52] <LaserJock> good point
[06:52] <nixternal> effie_jayx: rock on with your bad self...great eyes on that one
[06:53] <effie_jayx> nixternal,  ok make the change and try to build and see
[06:54] <nixternal> pbuilder going right now on it
[06:54] <nixternal> hrmm
[06:56] <effie_jayx> nixternal,  did it break?
[06:57] <nixternal> no it didn't
[06:57] <nixternal> it just finished right as you asked
[07:07] <freeflying> anyone know how to use requestsync
[07:11] <Hobbsee> freeflying: requestsync packagename release that you want to sync to
[07:12] <freeflying> Hobbsee: I've never made it work for me
[07:15] <Hobbsee> why not?
[07:20] <LaserJock> can a Universe source package produces a Main binary?
[07:20] <LaserJock> *produce
[07:20] <StevenK> Nope.
[07:20] <LaserJock> didn't think so
[07:20] <StevenK> The source would need to be promoted.
[07:20] <LaserJock> I new that a Main source could produce a Universe binary
[07:21] <LaserJock> just wondered if it could go the other way ;-)
[09:36] <mruiz> G'day all
[09:37] <dholbach> good morning
[09:37] <dholbach> hi mruiz
[09:37] <mruiz> hi dholbach
[09:37] <jussi01> good morning dholbach
[09:37] <dholbach> hi jussi01
[09:38] <jussi01> dholbach: are you busy?
[09:38] <dholbach> jussi01: always :-)
[09:38] <dholbach> jussi01: what do you have for me :)
[09:38] <dholbach> ?
[09:39] <jussi01> dholbach: just need a review sometime, if youve got a min...
[09:39] <jussi01> dholbach: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5337 
[09:39] <jussi01> its almost ready/ready... (hopefully)
[09:39] <dholbach> looking at it in a bit
[09:40] <jussi01> dholbach: thanks :D
[09:42] <mruiz> dholbach: I sent you an email about my first merge :-)
[09:43] <dholbach> I'm triaging my inbox at the moment - so please hold on :)
[09:47] <nixternal> heh, triaging the inbox..that is a new one
[09:48] <jussi01> lol, i like it... :d
[09:48] <crimsun> only 500 new emails to read since midnight.
[09:48] <crimsun> (that's 3h48m ago)
[09:48] <jussi01> crimsun: ouch
[09:48] <Lutin> crimsun: woot
[09:49] <nixternal> ya, I am not feeling the pain of that many emails. I maybe between 500 and a 1000 a day, but not 500 in a few hours...to many bug reports
[09:49] <crimsun> actually I think the trinity are asleep
[09:49] <jussi01> crimsun: read back ~3 hours...
[09:50] <crimsun> I find it humorous that the influx of sound bugs is so great that we had to use a bash script to cull all the info to be pastebinned, and now three pastebin web sites have blacklisted the script as spam
[09:50] <jussi01> lol
[09:51] <nixternal> lol
[09:51] <nixternal> hahahahahahaha....don't worry...Phil Bull made a script that would check for broken links in the docs..and got my IP blacklisted by kde*.*
[10:05] <dholbach> jussi01: it has my ok, only small bits i complained about
[10:11] <mdz> jmg: ubuntu-devel is a moderated list for everyone who isn't an Ubuntu developer, so it's very high S/N
[10:17] <fargiolas> do ubuntu backports include new packages that entered gutsy? or they just include new versions of feisty packages?
[10:17] <crimsun> they can include the former, though they are generally the latter.
[10:19] <fargiolas> thanks :)
[10:50] <sacater> imbrandon: ping
[10:50] <imbrandon> sacater: You sent me a contentless ping.  This is a contentless pong.  Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I am around.
[10:50] <sacater> imbrandon: ping
[10:50] <sacater> okay...
[10:50] <sacater> imbrandon: ping, how about that server?
[10:54] <crimsun> that's odd.  All my vorbis comments are _gone_ in gutsy's rhythmbox.
[10:54] <Fujitsu> crimsun: Duh. Rhythmbox eats children.
[11:09] <jussi01> dholbach: thank you. do I need to correct those?
[11:11] <dholbach> no, they're harmless - you get beauty points for fixing them, but it wouldn't block an upload :)
[11:12] <jussi01> dholbach: ok :D if I re-upload with those changes, will you re-advocate?
[11:12] <dholbach> of course
[11:13] <dholbach> just give me the link if you've done so
[11:15] <sacater> how is gutsy btw
[11:15] <sacater> anyone here using it>
[11:15] <sacater> stable enough yet?
[11:16] <Fujitsu> I've been using it for over a month.
[11:16] <Fujitsu> It works.
[11:17] <sacater> Fujitsu: do i just need to change 'feisty' in sources.list to 'gutsy'?
[11:17] <Fujitsu> Don't do it unless you really know how to resolve explosions.
[11:17] <sacater> or can i use software sources
[11:17] <sacater> oh
[11:17] <sacater> well..
[11:18] <DarkMageZ> anything cool in gutsy yet which will interest the users? or just low level stuff like the kernel
[11:18] <sacater> ill wait for the tribes :P
[11:19] <jussi01> dholbach: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5339
[11:21] <dholbach> jussi01: done
[11:21] <jussi01> dholbach: thanks
[11:21] <jussi01> anyone else? I need 1 more +1... :D
[11:24] <dholbach> is anybody going to package ubuntu-dev-tools?
[11:25] <geser> I might give it a try if nobody else want to
[11:25] <dholbach> geser: I'd like to make it GPL, but we need to mail people for that and ask which license they want to put their tool under
[11:26] <crimsun> jussi01: LICENSE has an obsolete mailing address for the FSF.  It's not "675 Mass Ave, Cambridge, MA 02139, USA" but "51 Franklin Street, Fifth Floor, Boston, MA 02110-1301 USA"
[11:27] <DarkSun88> Hi all
[11:27] <geser> dholbach: I'm currently visiting LinuxTag so I won't start working on it before next week
[11:27] <dholbach> geser: ok, I add some preliminary packaging to it
[11:27] <dholbach> geser:  and I'll mail everybody involved
[11:28] <StevenK> geser: Does that mean your merges are up for grabs? :-)
[11:28] <jussi01> crimsun: hmmm, that file came from upstream, can I change it?
[11:28] <geser> StevenK: if you want some, take it
[11:28] <crimsun> jussi01: you may change that address.
[11:29] <jussi01> crimsun: anything else before I upload?
[11:30] <crimsun> dang, I don't read _that_ fast
[11:30] <jussi01> hehe :D
[11:34] <crimsun> jussi01: looks good!  I recommend omitting the leading article 'A' from the Description in debian/control
[11:35] <jussi01> crimsun: ok, Im just uploading the new version
[11:37] <jussi01> crimsun: dholbach http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5340
[11:47] <dholbach> I added initial packaging to ubuntu-dev-tools - please: if you contributed anything, please add yourself to AUTHORS and please let me know if GPL is NOT ok for you
[11:50] <TheMuso> dholbach: ah thanks for the heads up.
[12:02] <imbrandon> hey Hobbsee TheMuso dholbach 
[12:03] <imbrandon> and crimsun geser 
[12:04] <mruiz> hey dholbach!
[12:04] <dholbach> hello mruiz
[12:06] <mruiz> dholbach: comments about my merge?
[12:07] <dholbach> looking at it now
[12:07] <jussi01> dholbach: If you missed it earlier, I need a re-advocation, as crimsun raised a few small issues... (fixed now):D
[12:08] <dholbach> i'll upload it now
[12:08] <dholbach> it#s good to go
[12:08] <mruiz> dholbach: these comments are for me?
[12:08] <dholbach> mruiz: no
[12:09] <jussi01> :D
[12:15] <dholbach> jussi01: uploaded
[12:15] <jussi01> dholbach: thanks!! :D:D
[12:16] <crimsun> nice work!
[12:16] <dholbach> hrm
[12:16] <dholbach> why did mruiz leave again?
[12:16] <cbx33> hey guys
[12:16] <crimsun> 'lo/bye imbrandon (->work)
[12:16] <highvoltage> hey cbx33 
[12:16] <cbx33> anyone ever managed to screencast a live desktop session?
[12:16] <cbx33> i want to do some lessons 
[12:17] <cbx33> for people to learn basic programming
[12:17] <popey> you want to share your desktop over a lan?
[12:17] <cbx33> over t-internet
[12:17] <popey> you could just use vnc in read-only mode?
[12:17] <popey> erk
[12:17] <popey> you have good upstream bandwidth?
[12:17] <cbx33> i want people to be able to see what I'm doing on a crappy machine
[12:17] <cbx33> well my idea
[12:17] <popey> how about using a web service like GoToMyPC?
[12:17] <joejaxx> popey: live image is 188mb btw :)
[12:17] <cbx33> was to transcode it on the lan
[12:17] <popey> \o/ joejaxx 
[12:18] <highvoltage> cbx33: screen -x ?
[12:18] <highvoltage> (well, for vim/python that could work, at least)
[12:19] <popey> you could run a telnet server that automagically runs screen for them - so when they telnet in they get to your session
[12:19] <popey> then people don't need anything other than a decent telnet client
[12:19] <popey> paste urls to code samples for them
[12:19] <cbx33> well trouble is I may want to teach gui stuff too
[12:19] <popey> they can download and do stuff locally
[12:20] <cbx33> was gonna be in an IRC channel so they could ask questions too
[12:20] <cbx33> i really want to explain stuff as I go along
[12:20] <popey> you can do split screen in "screen"
[12:20] <popey> so have irc on part of it, and your editor on the rest
[12:20] <cbx33> but i couldn't do gui stuff
[12:20] <popey> how much is gui stuff?
[12:20] <cbx33> well i dunno
[12:21] <cbx33> extending from the google video one i did
[12:21] <popey> https://www.gotomeeting.com/
[12:21] <popey> try that
[12:21] <popey> try it now and I will join you
[12:21] <popey> the other option would be to run x on a remote server (say a vps for example) and get people to vnc in 
[12:22] <cbx33> i probably can't do it from here
[12:22] <popey> that gets around the bandwidth issue
[12:22] <popey> do you _have_ to do it from where you are?
[12:22] <cbx33> hmmm
[12:22] <cbx33> no no
[12:22] <popey> your connection blows goats
[12:22] <cbx33> it will be done from home
[12:22] <popey> I have proof
[12:22] <popey> in which case you need something with low upstream requirement
[12:23] <cbx33> yes
[12:23] <cbx33> i think my upstream is pretty poor
[12:23] <popey> or as I say, put the x server on a server in telehouse :)
[12:23] <cbx33> haha
[12:23] <cbx33> yeh and how am I gonna do that
[12:23] <cbx33> ;)
[12:23] <popey> well :)
[12:24] <popey> lets say for example you had a virtual server.. you could install x on it then use xdmcp to connect to it remotely and then your students connect via read-only vnc?
[12:24] <cbx33> hmm
[12:24] <popey> ustream.tv would be ideal though
[12:24] <popey> the infrastructure is there
[12:24] <cbx33> yeh
[12:24] <popey> just need to get your desktop video to be recognised by flash
[12:24] <cbx33> that sounds like a good way of doing it
[12:24] <popey> I am sure that's do-able
[12:25] <cbx33> why?
[12:25] <popey> low barrier to entry, has a chat box
[12:25] <popey> does audio
[12:25] <popey> why what?
[12:25] <cbx33> get it recognised by flash?
[12:25] <popey> ustream uses flash to do the upstream from you
[12:25] <popey> which is taken by the flash plugin from your web cam and microphone
[12:25] <popey> but if you can get the flash plugin to use something other than the webcam..
[12:26] <cbx33> i just need to pipe the screen output to the dev/video
[12:26] <popey> exactly
[12:26] <popey> or get flash to use some other /dev/foo
[12:26] <cbx33> yeh
[12:26] <popey> i have a ustream account and a machine here on unfettered net
[12:26] <cbx33> oooh that must be nice
[12:29] <cbx33> it's a definitely interesting area
[12:31] <cbx33> maybe a hardware hack ;)
[12:31] <cbx33> hackup a webcam to get it's video from a vga out ;)
[12:31] <cbx33> heheh
[12:34] <popey> or just point the webcam at the screen
[12:34] <popey> ultimate hack
[12:34] <cbx33> well i did think about that
[12:34] <popey> obviously a different screen
[12:34] <cbx33> but it's not very professional
[12:34] <popey> my webcam only does a max of 640x480
[12:34] <popey> and ustream compresses in the flash
[12:34] <popey> it can look very good, but equally can look quite dire and choppy
[12:34] <cbx33> maybe it's just not possible
[12:34] <cbx33> maybe what I want to do isn't a reality yet
[12:35] <popey> i wouldn't give up so easy
[12:35] <cbx33> I'm not going to
[12:35] <cbx33> :p
[12:35] <popey> everyone said ustream was great but wouldn't work in linux - then i tried it and it does :)
[12:35] <cbx33> hah
[12:35] <popey> you may be surprised what you can achieve
[12:37] <popey> I still think gotomeeting is a better bet
[12:37] <popey> it's payware but you don't have to do anything - all the infrastructure is there
[12:41] <cbx33> but i can't afford to do it
[12:41] <cbx33> hehe
[12:41] <cbx33> this is an open source venture :p
[12:44] <joejaxx> Good Morning All
[12:48] <popey> morning joejaxx 
[12:53] <dholbach> I added a README to ubuntu-dev-tools too
[01:23] <tsmithe> so - could someone review wired for me?
[01:23] <tsmithe> it seems a bit stagnant in debian mentors, so i think i'll get it into ubuntu
[01:23] <tsmithe> first
[01:23] <man-di> tsmithe: I'm on it
[01:24] <man-di> as we talked yesterday
[01:24] <tsmithe> ah yes
[01:24] <tsmithe> totally tired
[01:24] <man-di> you will get a mail later when I'm back home from work
[01:25] <tsmithe> thanks ever so much :)
[01:25] <tsmithe> apologies :)
[01:25] <man-di> tsmithe: np
[01:25] <tsmithe> :)
[01:27] <jussi01> can someone recomend a blog website for me? something good, reliable, has a template and most of all free...?? (now dont be shy, I know you all have blogs...)
[01:28] <joejaxx> wordpress.com?
[01:29] <cbx33> well i host mine
[01:29] <cbx33> but yes
[01:29] <cbx33> that's one option
[01:29] <highvoltage> jussi01: wordpress and blogspot seem to be the most popular
[01:30] <cbx33> it's great and easy to write extensions for
[01:30] <jussi01> ok, thanks lads and lady(ies)? Ill look into it :D
[01:31] <tsmithe> wordpress.com
[01:31] <joejaxx> tsmithe: you are late :P
[01:31] <tsmithe> pah
[01:36] <pochu> Hobbsee: cheers!
[01:37] <Hobbsee> pochu: :)
[01:41] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Congratulations
[01:41] <Hobbsee> thankyou :)
[01:42] <bashelier> hey tsmithe :)
[01:42] <bashelier> tsmithe: (I used to review your package by mail)
[01:42] <Fujitsu> Congrats, Hobbsee.
[01:43] <joejaxx> what happened?
[01:43] <Fujitsu> core-devness was bestowed upon Hobbsee.
[01:43] <joejaxx> :O
[01:43] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:43] <joejaxx> Hobbsee: Congrats :D
[01:44] <Hobbsee> :) thankyou
[01:44] <tsmithe> Hobbsee: congratualations
[01:44] <Hobbsee> thankyou :)
[01:44] <tsmithe> i was gonna post to -devel, but i didn't wanna spammage. tho i don't think a congrat is spam.
[01:44] <tsmithe> meh
[01:49] <Hobbsee> thanks jussi01 :)
[01:51] <jussi01> :D
[01:59] <effie_jayx> nixternal,  it builds...
[02:14] <xxxxx1> morning people!
[02:15] <ajmitch> hi
[02:16] <sp4rKy> nixternal: around ?
[02:29] <fernando> moin all
[02:39] <jku> can someone explain why debian/rules has foo and foo-stamp (e.g. configure and configure-stamp)?
[02:40] <jku> I'm looking at some example packages and in some configure requires configure-stamp, and in another it's the other way round?
[02:42] <jku> ...alternatively please point me to a better channel if this was inappropriate
[02:49] <xxxxx1> jku: did you read maint-guide?
[02:50] <xxxxx1> jku: in your example, you have configure and its child 'configure-stamp', right?
[02:50] <jku> as in "debian new maintainers' guide"? sure.
[02:50] <xxxxx1> ok
[02:50] <xxxxx1> jku: let me try to explain
[02:51] <jku> i'd appreciate it
[02:51] <xxxxx1> jku: in more complex rules, maybe you need to patch before run configure or do something
[02:52] <jku> or run autogen.sh?
[02:53] <xxxxx1> jku: so, configure entry can call patch and configure-stamp
[02:53] <xxxxx1> you can put you configure params in configure-stamp too.
[02:53] <xxxxx1> like
[02:53] <xxxxx1> configure: patch configure-stamp
[02:53] <xxxxx1> configure-stamp:
[02:53] <xxxxx1> dh_testdir
[02:54] <xxxxx1> CC="$(CC)" CFLAGS="$(CFLAGS)" ./configure \
[02:54] <xxxxx1> --prefix=/usr \
[02:54] <xxxxx1> ...
[02:54] <xxxxx1> touch $@
[02:54] <xxxxx1> with stamp
[02:54] <xxxxx1> you know what they rules do
[02:55] <xxxxx1> (sorry about my english) :)
[02:55] <jku> ok, so when I'm looking at /usr/share/doc/autotools-dev/examples/rules.gz (which shows an example of packaging autotools-using software) and  I see this:
[02:55] <xxxxx1> so, in 'clean' you should add a rm -f configure-stamp and so on..
[02:55] <jku> configure:
[02:56] <jku>         chmod +x debian/autogen.sh
[02:56] <jku>         debian/autogen.sh
[02:56] <jku> configure-stamp: patch-stamp configure
[02:56] <jku>         ...the rest of configure-stuff
[02:57] <jku> it's using the targets in the opposite order?
[02:57] <xxxxx1> well, is not normal this use. because you call first 'configure'
[02:57] <xxxxx1> configure should call configure-stamp
[02:57] <xxxxx1> and not reverse
[02:57] <xxxxx1> :)
[02:58] <xxxxx1> did you see debhelper sample?
[02:58] <jku> link?
[02:58] <xxxxx1> hmm
[02:58] <frandavid100> Hi
[02:59] <xxxxx1> jku: apt-get source hello-debhelper
[02:59] <frandavid100> I've been trying to compile this program http://gendesign.sourceforge.net/screenshot.html in Ubuntu since the day before yesterday
[02:59] <frandavid100> but I haven't been able to get a working deb, can you guys give me a hand?
[02:59] <jku> xxxxx1,  I think I've read them, but I'll look and come back. Thanks for the help
[03:00] <xxxxx1> jku: oh, sorry. hello-debhelper don't use stamp :> but you can try dh_make in some .tar.gz code to create the templates.
[03:01] <xxxxx1> jku: ah
[03:01] <xxxxx1> jku: /usr/share/doc/debhelper/examples
[03:01] <xxxxx1> jku: ;)
[03:01] <xxxxx1> easy way
[03:03] <AndyP> frandavid100: feel free to ask more specific questions about the problem, and someone might answer if they know
[03:05] <frandavid100> thanks andy:  I did manage to create an installable .deb by following the building instructions and using checkinstall, but the resulting program gives "core dumped" errors and seems to lack functionality
[03:06] <frandavid100> so, I don't know what I'm doing wrong
[03:08] <AndyP> frandavid100: does it work properly if you compile it and run it normally, without making it into a .deb?
[03:09] <frandavid100> let me try that
[03:10] <frandavid100> nope, same error
[03:11] <AndyP> frandavid100: http://gendesign.sourceforge.net/help.html lists some libraries you need to install and how to compile it, are you following that?
[03:12] <frandavid100> let me check again, but I think it's all correct
[03:16] <frandavid100> so that's libgtk2.0-dev, libglib2.0-dev, libgnomeui-dev, libglade2-dev, libgnomevfs2-dev and libxml2-dev right?
[03:17] <frandavid100> brb
[03:27] <frandavid100> hi again
[03:28] <frandavid100> I also installed firefox-dev, so all dependencies are supposedly met
[03:29] <DarkMageZ> does that app have english translations in it?
[03:29] <bashelier> doko: ping
[03:30] <frandavid100> yep
[03:30] <frandavid100> by the way it's not a core dumped error, it's a segfault error
[03:35] <frandavid100> and well, the interface looks nothing like the one on the screenshot
[03:36] <frandavid100> http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/7083/pantallazogendesignsmalsc6.png take a look at what I get
[03:41] <AndyP> frandavid100: which version are you using?
[03:41] <frandavid100> of Ubuntu? I'm on gutsy
[03:42] <AndyP> frandavid100: of gendesign
[03:43] <frandavid100> oh, 0.5.3
[03:44] <AndyP> my guess is that the GUI is different depending on what kind of document you're editing then
[03:45] <frandavid100> I might contact the author and ask him
[03:46] <frandavid100> I'll get back to you guys
[03:47] <frandavid100> thanks for the advice, see ya later!
[04:08] <gpocentek> Hobbsee: congrats :)
[04:09] <Hobbsee> gpocentek: thankyou :)
[04:11] <_MMA_> Oh yeah. Congrats.
[04:11] <_MMA_> /me hopes the long pointy stick of doom can be wielded around -devel. :)
[04:12] <jussi01> :D
[04:13] <AstralJava> Hobbsee: What's the occasion?
[04:13] <Hobbsee> _MMA_: hehe, it usually is :P
[04:14] <StevenK> Heh
[04:14] <StevenK> To your LongPointyStick, no less.
[04:14] <jsgotangco> wah?
[04:15] <geser> Hobbsee: congrats for core-dev
[04:16] <Hobbsee> geser: thankyou :)
[04:16] <jsgotangco> yes congrats on that really!
[04:16] <Hobbsee> hehe :)
[04:17] <mruiz> \o/ Hobbsee  :)
[04:17] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:17] <evand> Can someone with upload rights take a look at 117834 whenever they get a chance?  Thanks!
[04:19] <Hobbsee> bug 117834
[04:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 117834 in amule "Please sponsor amule upload" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117834
[04:21] <AstralJava> Hobbsee: Oh okay, congrats are in order, then. :)
[04:22] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:23] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, married ?!? hehehe
[04:23] <imbrandon> i can see the /. post now
[04:23] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: nah...   and look into amule for evand, please
[04:23] <Hobbsee> oh no...
[04:23] <imbrandon> :)
[04:23] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, ooooooooh kayyy i supose so
[04:23] <imbrandon> :)
[04:23] <Hobbsee> good man :)
[04:23] <geser> imbrandon: isn't she already married with (K)Ubuntu?
[04:23] <imbrandon> geser, yup yup
[04:24] <imbrandon> in AU you can marry more than one it seems
[04:24] <AndyP> Hobbsee: core-gratulations :)
[04:24] <Hobbsee> thankyou :)
[04:25] <StevenK> Recent Simpsons episode seen over here: Bart and random girl are in Utah, about to get married. Registrar: "And how many wives are you marrying today, sir?" Bart: "Just the one." Registrar: "What are you? Gay?"
[04:25] <StevenK> imbrandon's quip reminded me.
[04:26] <imbrandon> hahahaha
[04:26] <imbrandon> yea Utah, home of the morman religon, where its cool to have more thna one wife
[04:27] <imbrandon> mormon(sp?)
[04:27] <imbrandon> something like that
[04:27] <AndyP> correct
[04:27] <StevenK> The latter. Mormon
[04:28] <StevenK> imbrandon: You may not have not heard this one: What goes: clop clop clop *BANG!* clop clop clop ?
[04:28] <imbrandon> heh , what
[04:28] <StevenK> imbrandon: An Amish drive-by
[04:28] <imbrandon> LOL
[04:29] <imbrandon> man now that you can buy non-drm music on itunes i REALY wish it had a linux client
[04:30] <imbrandon> or something better thn 4.x working in wine
[04:30] <AndyP> amazon's going into the non-DRM mp3 market sometime soon
[04:30] <imbrandon> yea i know, but i love my itunes
[04:30] <AndyP> ah :)
[04:31] <imbrandon> its the only reason i keep OSX on my lappy dual boot and a XP vm 
[04:31] <imbrandon> on my desktop
[04:31] <imbrandon> litterly
[04:31] <imbrandon> everything else i "need" ( e.g. only photoshop and WoW ) i run in wine
[04:31] <imbrandon> heh
[04:33] <geser>     * MOTU application   Adrien Cunin
[04:34] <geser>     * MOTU application   Daniel T. Chen
[04:34] <imbrandon> evand, gettign ready to upload it in a sec, i'll mark the bug as such when i do
[04:35] <geser> argh, something was in my paste buffer :(
[04:37] <evand> imbrandon, Hobbsee: thanks!
[04:37] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:38] <evand> :)
[04:38] <imbrandon> evand, hrm
[04:38] <StevenK> if [ $USER = "sarah" ]  ; echo "No migration for you!" ; fi
[04:39] <imbrandon> evand, that patch dosent apply cleanly to whats in gutsy
[04:40] <Baby> XD
[04:40] <imbrandon> evand, did you make that debdiff against amule_2.1.3-2ubuntu1.dsc
[04:40] <imbrandon> ?
[04:41] <imbrandon> or against debians amule_2.1.3-3
[04:41] <imbrandon> ...
[04:42] <evand> imbrandon: the first one in that report was a mistake and was against the ubuntu version, the second is against amule_2.1.3-3
[04:43] <imbrandon> yea i grabbed the one from the bottom, can you diff it against the current gutsy version
[04:43] <imbrandon> err actualy
[04:43] <imbrandon> yea
[04:43] <imbrandon> current gutsy
[04:43] <imbrandon> e.g. amule_2.1.3-2ubuntu1
[04:47] <imbrandon> ./` ... and there she was, like disco-superfly , yea there she was ... ./`
[04:48] <StevenK> Ohh geez, where's that from?
[04:48] <imbrandon> Marcy Playgound - Sex and Candy
[04:49] <imbrandon> good song
[04:49] <StevenK> Ah, right. Now that I've read the lyrics, now I know why my brain was telling me it didn't like it.
[04:49] <imbrandon> lol
[04:50] <imbrandon> hrm i should stream some tunes ...
[04:52] <doko> bashelier: pong
[04:54] <jussi01> gah...freaking wordpress...
[04:57] <jussi01> where are you people that recommended wordpress... Hobbsee ??
[04:57] <Hobbsee> hm?
[04:57] <imbrandon> i love my wordpress
[04:57] <jsgotangco> i like wordpress
[04:57] <jussi01> wordpress is being evil
[04:58] <jussi01> it wont upload my avatar..
[04:58] <jussi01> grrrrr
[04:58] <jsgotangco> oh you mean wordpress.com the service not the software
[04:58] <imbrandon> chmod the upload dir ( normaly files/ )
[04:59] <jsgotangco> yeah its a permission thing
[04:59] <jussi01> hmmm how do i do that when its some webpage i log into...
[04:59] <imbrandon> umm is it on your server ?
[04:59] <jsgotangco> do you mean wordpress.com?
[04:59] <evand> imbrandon: bug 117834 updated with the requested debdiff
[04:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 117834 in amule "Please sponsor amule upload" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117834
[05:00] <imbrandon> evand, great i'll grab it in a sec
[05:00] <evand> thanks
[05:00] <jussi01> jsgotangco: yeah
[05:01] <bashelier> doko: it's about gdc, I'm not quite sure, is it going to be build from the gcc source package or do you want it to be built from the gdc source package ? my suggestion was, to avoid version problem, to make an independant gdc package which version would be 0.23 and which *just* install the gdc sources tarball in /usr/src/gcc-*, and to make the gcc package build-depend on it
[05:01] <jsgotangco> jussi01: well i would guess that is wordpress.com's fault ;-)
[05:02] <jussi01> jsgotangco: yeah, probably, I just wanted to complain to someone though...sorry... :P
[05:02] <jsgotangco> ahh haha
[05:06] <imbrandon> StevenK, http://www.imbrandon.com:8000/listen.pls
[05:06] <imbrandon> hehe
[05:07] <imbrandon> little bit o streaming
[05:07] <leonel> hello everyone !
[05:07] <mruiz> hi leonel 
[05:08] <tritium> hi jsgotangco 
[05:08] <jsgotangco> tritium: hey dude how's it going
[05:09] <tritium> Not bad, you?
[05:09] <tritium> Too bad yarddog took that CC meeting so hard, huh?
[05:10] <jsgotangco> tritium: can't blame him but i did give my side along with other people
[05:10] <tritium> jsgotangco: yeah, I saw your response.  I hope he changes his mind, but as of now, he's deactivated his launchpad account, and deleted his wiki.
[05:11] <imbrandon> ??
[05:11] <jsgotangco> ahh sheeshh
[05:12] <tritium> yeah
[05:12] <Hobbsee> what, another one?
[05:12] <tritium> Hobbsee: he's applied for membership and was rejected.
[05:12] <nixternal> sp4rKy: I am around now :)
[05:12] <Hobbsee> oof
[05:12] <nixternal> mornin'!
[05:13] <tritium> He was going to help me run the New Mexico LoCo, and had done a lot of work getting that setup, along with the IRC channel, mailing list, etc.
[05:13] <nixternal> HOBBSEE!!!!!!! Congrats!!!
[05:13] <Hobbsee> nixternal: thankyou :)
[05:14] <tritium> Hobbsee: what happened?
[05:14] <tritium> Are you a core dev now?
[05:14] <jsgotangco> tritium: she'snow core dev
[05:14] <tritium> WOOHOO :)
[05:14] <tritium> Congrats Hobbsee :)
[05:14] <Hobbsee> :D
[05:14] <pleia2> Hobbsee: :D
[05:14] <Hobbsee> :D
[05:15] <nixternal> rock on with your badself!
[05:15] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:15] <jsgotangco> get your own pointy stick then
[05:16] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE.  
[05:16] <jsgotangco> Hobbsee: surely THE ONE TRUE STICK can control the others
[05:17] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: of course.  by destroying them.
[05:23] <LaserJock> bah, how do I echo the return value?
[05:23] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: CONGRATS!
[05:23] <AndyP> "echo $?" ?
[05:23] <xxxxx1> echo $?
[05:24] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: :D
[05:24] <xxxxx1> congrats Hobbsee :>
[05:24] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:26] <doko> bashelier: no, include the gdc source tarball into the gdc debian package, and let that build-depend on gcc-4.1-source
[05:29] <bashelier> doko: ok, I'm working on gcc-4.1 right now, which should't ftbfs with d
[05:30] <doko> bashelier: please split out the libphobosN package, so that programs linked against it don't need to install the compiler package
[05:31] <bashelier> doko: ok np ;)
[05:36] <bashelier> evand: ping
[05:36] <evand> bashelier: pong
[05:37] <bashelier> evand: do you intend to merge amule using DaD ? (bug #117834)
[05:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 117834 in amule "Please sponsor amule upload" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117834
[05:39] <imbrandon> bashelier, it seems to have been done that way
[05:39] <evand> bashelier: I'm confused.  Isn't that esentially what I did?  I used grab-merge.sh and merge-buildpackage from DaD.  Is there more to it than that?
[05:40] <imbrandon> bashelier, i was just getting ready to upload it, btw much better evand thanks
[05:41] <imbrandon> bashelier, ??
[05:41] <evand> thanks!
[05:41] <jekil> hello
[05:41] <bashelier> evand: np, just next times, try to check the comments to see if there isn't somebody else working on it ;)
[05:41] <bashelier> imbrandon: thanks
[05:41] <imbrandon> kk
[05:41] <evand> oh, I'm sorry!
[05:41] <imbrandon> evand, bashelier uploaded
[05:42] <imbrandon> evand, can you mark the bug fix commited please
[05:42] <bashelier> imbrandon: ok good thanks again :)
[05:42] <evand> imbrandon: will do
[05:42] <pochu> bashelier: and you ask first the latest uploader to do his merge ;)
[05:42] <pochu> Not that I care, but that will avoid some people doing the same work :)
[05:43] <bashelier> pochu: I wanted to but you weren't connected when I tried ;)
[05:43] <pochu> :)
[05:51] <mruiz> imbrandon: if a package in http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html doesn't have conflicts, is it ready to be synced? 
[05:52] <imbrandon> mruiz, not nessesarly, it just means when the auto-merger did its thing it dident have an issue
[05:53] <imbrandon> still needs to be checked and uploaded
[05:53] <mruiz> ah, ok
[05:55] <mruiz> I was working in vzctl, who had conflicts in debian/control (architectures)
[05:56] <LaserJock> ok, I need to find out who signed an upload
[05:56] <LaserJock> can I just grab the .dsc?
[05:56] <LaserJock> oh wait, that wouldn't be the uploader
[05:57] <LaserJock> I need the .changes
[06:01] <mruiz> Ubuntu only supports i386, powerpc, amd64 ?
[06:01] <gnomefreak> sparc is also afaik
[06:01] <pochu> mruiz: officialy i386, amd64 and sparc
[06:02] <pochu> ppc and ia64 are ports.
[06:03] <siretart> we also have hppa as port
[06:05] <gnomefreak> dholbach: i had to give up on gwget it ended up being way too hard (things i tried didnt work on fixing the autoregen) i did upload to revu what i had done including the patch i made and applied. http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5330 is the link. so if someone wants to take a look and see what they can do with it please feel free. i screwed with it up until a couple of hours ago and i have to admit i failed badly :(
[06:07] <dholbach> gnomefreak: don't worry - I'll check it out and let you know what I find
[06:07] <gnomefreak> ty
[06:14] <jekil> ubuntustudio is a project sponsored by ubuntu or is a project outside ubuntu?
[06:15] <jrib> gnomefreak: what's wrong with gwget?
[06:15] <gnomefreak> jrib: auto regens control file on clean
[06:16] <gnomefreak> so you will always end up with wrong depends. even changing it by hand didnt help
[06:16] <jrib> I like gwget, I'm going to take a look too.  Is there a bug report?
[06:16] <gnomefreak> what is debians svn link
[06:17] <gnomefreak> jrib: none that i know of i was hoping to fix it before that happened it failed to install here due to missing depends
[06:21] <jrib> gnomefreak: only on gutsy?
[06:22] <gnomefreak> jrib: yes afaik
[06:22] <siretart> jekil: you might want to ask this question to the #ubuntustudio channel, or joejaxx 
[06:23] <jekil> siretart: thanks
[06:23] <_MMA_> Whats up?
[06:24] <_MMA_> jekil: What do you need?
[06:25] <jekil> _MMA_: simply i think why ubuntustudio packages aren't in official repos, so it's a project outside ubuntu?
[06:26] <_MMA_> jekil: It really cane down to timing. We had freeze exceptions for most of them but they weren't processed.
[06:27] <_MMA_> Well the exceptions were.
[06:27] <_MMA_> jekil: Why?
[06:28] <jekil> _MMA_: beacause i am looking if it's possible make a project like ubuntustudio, but security oriented
[06:29] <_MMA_> There's already a project like that afaik.
[06:29] <_MMA_> The name escapes me atm.
[06:30] <jekil> _MMA_: nubuntu?
[06:31] <_MMA_> Not sure.
[06:31] <siretart> jekil: secuirty oriented? can you elaborate please?
[06:31] <jekil> siretart: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntu-sec
[06:32] <imbrandon> www.nubuntu.org , ubuntu for the security minded
[06:32] <siretart> jekil: I don't think you need a subproject for a handful of meta packages. I think we can do that within MOTU/ubuntu-dev
[06:32] <jekil> imbrandon: yes, but is not maintained
[06:33] <imbrandon> jekil, sure it is, i talk to them a bit over on oftc once in a while
[06:33] <siretart> imbrandon: what is the point of nubuntu? having a live cd?
[06:33] <jekil> yeah, only live cd
[06:33] <imbrandon> siretart, i dunno, i just know it exists
[06:33] <keescook> s/security minded/security tester/
[06:33] <siretart> don't get me wrong, I'm just curious in learning why nubuntu is a seperate project from ubuntu-hardened
[06:34] <keescook> it includes a whole mess of security scanners, etc by default, it seems: http://www.nubuntu.org/about.php
[06:34] <imbrandon> siretart, because nubuntu isnt about the security of YOUR system its aobut the security(faults) of someone elses
[06:34] <imbrandon> :)
[06:34] <imbrandon> been arround sicne pre-dapper
[06:34] <siretart> keescook: I don't spot anything there we couldn't have in universe
[06:35] <siretart> imbrandon: sounds like some sort of backtrack cd
[06:35] <keescook> siretart: I agree.
[06:35] <imbrandon> siretart, actualy its almost exactly like backtrack only ubuntu based
[06:35] <imbrandon> even the art and fluxbozx
[06:36] <imbrandon> s/z//
[06:36] <siretart> I imagine we could even have a community supported 'security auditing live cd' somehow. we 'just' lack ppl doing the work
[06:37] <etank> siretart: that would be cool
[06:38] <imbrandon> siretart, yup
[06:38] <jekil> i thinks that a series of secuirty tools metapackage can be very useful
[06:39] <keescook> apt-get install ubuntu-pwns
[06:39] <imbrandon> hahahaha
[06:39] <siretart> jekil: I don't see really the point of metapackages here, but there is no reason not to include metapackages in universe. So feel free to join ubuntu-dev and do the work directly in our archive
[06:39] <imbrandon> keescook, i tell you i packaged* (sorta ) the lolcode intrepiter 
[06:39] <keescook> imbrandon: hah!
[06:40] <superm1> jekil, mythbuntu is including its metapackages in universe already too.  much better to do it that way
[06:40] <keescook> I was hoping to see the THEN/ELSE structure be O RLY/YA RLY
[06:40] <imbrandon> keescook, hehe yea
[06:40] <siretart> keescook: ah, speaking of Backtrack, do you know if we could get the madwifi packet injection patch from aircrack-ng in the official ubuntu kernel package?
[06:41] <imbrandon> that would so rock
[06:41] <keescook> siretart: oh, is that still needed?  I thought that was in madwifi now?
[06:41] <superm1> siretart, i dont think its needed
[06:41] <superm1> i was just using madwifi and aircrack ng three weeks ago
[06:41] <superm1> and i was able to inject on one interface and capture o nthe other
[06:41] <keescook> if not, yeah, totally, open a bug, see if the kernel team will carry it.
[06:41] <keescook> superm1: I think this patch is to do both on one interface.  :)
[06:41] <siretart> superm1: the injection patch lets you capture and inject on the same interface
[06:41] <superm1> virtual interfaces 
[06:41] <superm1> should have specified
[06:41] <keescook> oooh
[06:42] <superm1> there is an app that comes with aircrack to easily create and destroy VAPs 
[06:42] <superm1> on madwifi ng
[06:42] <imbrandon> yea i just leave a open ( traffic shaped and another subnet ) wifi signal open at my house , so they dont fsk with my secure one
[06:42] <imbrandon> :)
[06:42] <jekil> siretart: how directly in the archive?
[06:42] <siretart> jekil: in the gutsy repositories
[06:42] <imbrandon> jekil, like right in the gutsy repos
[06:43] <jekil> siretart: uploading metapackages to revu?
[06:43] <imbrandon> jekil, well he sugested you becomse a MOTU and do it that way, but that woudl be a way to start
[06:44] <jekil> imbrandon: thanks to you and to all for the explanation
[06:45] <imbrandon> i would still like to see a trem client livecd
[06:45] <imbrandon> pop the cd into your computer and play trem, like a console
[06:45] <imbrandon> :)
[06:45] <imbrandon> _MMA_, ^^
[06:46] <imbrandon> you would probably have to run the game from a ram drive or soemthing
[06:46] <imbrandon> to make it fast enough
[06:46] <imbrandon> but linux based console like gaming would rock
[06:46] <evand> actually, I've put ET on a LiveCD before.  It ran quick enough.
[06:46] <imbrandon> ET ?
[06:47] <evand> enemy-territory
[06:47] <imbrandon> ahh
[06:47] <evand> Linux meets yet another WWII game
[06:47] <imbrandon> heh
[06:48] <imbrandon> _MMA_, does trem require X or only SDL ?
[06:48] <superm1> imbrandon, could you revu libhdhomerun today?
[06:48] <siretart> ET on a LIVE-CD?!
[06:48] <imbrandon> superm1, i looked at it but i'm not a great library person
[06:48] <siretart> now THAT'S crackful
[06:49] <superm1> imbrandon, its actually not a library, its a funny naming scheme adapted from the upstream package name
[06:49] <superm1> the source package is a lib*, but binary is a normal name
[06:49] <superm1> crimsun said it was okay to use it (yesterday)
[06:49] <imbrandon> huh ? wow
[06:49] <superm1> its because historically it produced a library that was linked to
[06:49] <superm1> but no longer does, as its self contained
[06:50] <imbrandon> hrm ok and the packages isnt renamed
[06:50] <imbrandon> i guess
[06:50] <superm1> right
[06:50] <superm1> redhat is still using the same source package name too
[06:50] <imbrandon> might be cool to rename the package and then use replaces/conflicts but thats another day
[06:50] <imbrandon> i'll look again here in a few
[06:50] <superm1> k.  newest revu url is here: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5336
[06:51] <imbrandon> k
[06:51] <imbrandon> ubuntu/debian > redhat :)
[06:51] <superm1> well of course :)
[07:07] <_MMA_> imbrandon: Joe might know better. We're actually messing around and gonna put Tremulous on a live CD. :) No DE or ubiquity. X, Trem and whatever depends it pulls.
[07:08] <_MMA_> Oh I see.
[07:08] <_MMA_> imbrandon: You did say that. :)
[07:11] <pochu> Any MOTU is willing to review/upload a Listen merge? :) Bug #118030
[07:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 118030 in listen "Please merge Listen 0.5-3 from Debian Unstable (main)" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118030
[07:14] <imbrandon> pochu, can you please diff against the currect gutsy version
[07:14] <imbrandon> current*
[07:16] <siretart> Hobbsee: congrats!
[07:16] <Hobbsee> siretart: thankyou :)
[07:16] <LaserJock> dholbach: I've sent my core-dev app to motu-council
[07:17] <LaserJock> not sure if it's a moderated list or not
[07:17] <dholbach> i'll take care of it
[07:17] <Hobbsee> yay, LaserJock!
[07:19] <imbrandon> LaserJock, w00t
[07:20] <LaserJock> imbrandon: thanks
[07:20] <LaserJock> Hobbsee beat me
[07:20] <Hobbsee> sorry LaserJock 
[07:20] <LaserJock> but I'm still glad I gave her a bit of a push at Sevilla
[07:20] <LaserJock> ;-)
[07:21] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:21] <leonel> ScottK: Feisty's  clamav  DONE !   \o/  Whoo hoo !  YES !
[07:21] <imbrandon> hrm , ok i got a question about a lic, not everyone run at once, but would this be considered *free* to be uploaded http://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl/   ( strong language )
[07:22] <LaserJock> so cheerleaders are welcome, especially of the Main variety ;-)
[07:22] <imbrandon> LaserJock, i'll definately cheerleed once i see the mail
[07:22] <imbrandon> long overdue imho
[07:25] <dholbach> LaserJock: moderated
[07:25] <LaserJock> dholbach: thanks
[07:25] <LaserJock> now I get to sweat
[07:26] <mruiz> dholbach: I did it -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vzctl/+bug/118282
[07:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 118282 in vzctl "Please sync vzctl from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[07:26] <dholbach> mruiz: super
[07:26] <dholbach> mruiz: thanks
[07:26] <dholbach> good work on that
[07:29] <xxxxx1> hello dholbach 
[07:29] <dholbach> hello xxxxx1
[07:32] <pochu> imbrandon: sure
[07:33] <imbrandon> pochu, thanks ping when you have and i'll re look at it
[07:35] <pochu> imbrandon: done :)
[07:42] <mruiz> dholbach: I have to add a bug for a merge ?
[07:43] <dholbach> mruiz: no, not necessary
[07:43] <dholbach> if you bug somebody to review and upload it, that's fine too
[07:44] <mruiz> in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Merging appeared this idea ...
[07:45] <dholbach> we need to fix the documentation :-(
[07:46] <mruiz> dholbach: for my next merge... which files do you need to review ? 
[07:47] <dholbach> debdiff from the debian version to the merged version
[07:47] <mruiz> only debdiff! 
[07:49] <mruiz> see you all!
[07:51] <nixternal> LaserJock: if you have any plans on doco fixing for motu, let me know if I can lend a hand where needed...you to dholbach 
[07:51] <nixternal> and anyone else for that matter :)
[07:53] <dholbach> nice
[08:09] <txwikinger> *deep even
[08:14] <imbrandon> hrm whats the simplest python package in the repo, i need a good example 
[08:16] <jussi01> imbrandon: you could use mnemosyne.... :P
[08:17] <imbrandon> huh ?
[08:23] <DarkSun88> Hi all
[08:23] <nixternal> howdy DarkSun88 
[08:24] <DarkSun88> Hello nixternal :)
[08:24] <nixternal> I am doing my part on "saving energy"...but damn it is hot out :D
[08:24] <txwikinger> and you are complaining about Texas :P
[08:24] <nixternal> heh, Chicago is nasty humid right now
[08:25] <txwikinger> Need to get some more wind for the windy city ;)
[08:25] <nixternal> heh, to bad the wind is from teh politicians and not mother earth
[08:25] <dholbach> gnomefreak: I got me a fresh tarball of gwget, renamed it to gwget2_0.99.orig.tar.gz, added your debian dir, and added a patch in which I ran autoconf; rm -r autom4te.cache
[08:25] <dholbach> gnomefreak: do you know about cdbs-edit-patch already?
[08:25] <nixternal> great, and it seems that imbrandon is slinging storms in my direction
[08:26] <dholbach> gnomefreak: it seems to be working better now - still some problems - checking it out
[08:26] <imbrandon> ugh where is Fujitsu when you need him
[08:26] <imbrandon> heh
[08:28] <superm1> nixternal, I had no idea about that until i took a tour to the top of either the hancock or sears tower a few years ago for the first time.  One of them had it plastered on one of those little learn more about the city things
[08:28] <nixternal> hehe
[08:28] <nixternal> superm1: they taught it to us in elementary school iirc
[08:29] <nixternal> that and the "city of big shoulders"
[08:29] <txwikinger> ? Dead people voting?
[08:29] <nixternal> hahaha, we learned that recently
[08:29] <superm1> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Shoulders ?
[08:29] <nixternal> my grandparents voted for John Kerry, needless to say they died in the 90s
[08:30] <nixternal> hehe, there is a band named that...interesting
[08:31] <txwikinger> nixternal: Chicago and Texas have a lot in common... Dead people voting in Chicago, people bused over the broder to vote in Texas
[08:31] <nixternal> hahaha, and Texas hates the border...but Texas does have an "express lane" in death row
[08:31] <dholbach> gnomefreak: thanks for your work on it!
[08:32] <nixternal> I think that joke came from the blue collar comedy tour
[08:32] <superm1> nixternal, yea it did
[08:32] <superm1> at least the second half
[08:32] <gnomefreak> dholbach: yw. were you able to get it straight?
[08:32] <txwikinger> nixternal: express lane with traffic jam
[08:32] <nixternal> hahahaha
[08:33] <dholbach> gnomefreak: yes
[08:33] <gnomefreak> ty
[08:33] <dholbach> gnomefreak: so one thing that was wrong is the version number
[08:33] <dholbach> gnomefreak: it's 0ubuntu1, because there's no 0.99 in debian yet
[08:34] <dholbach> gnomefreak: and the other thing was that you didn't use a .orig.tar.gz - so we had no .diff.gz
[08:34] <gnomefreak> i didnt?
[08:34] <dholbach> gnomefreak: and the autoconf patch was missing (that generated configure from the configure.in change)
[08:34] <dholbach> no, but it's no big deal
[08:35] <gnomefreak> ok ty i still have it so i will look it over again just to see what i missed. thank you again for looking at it
[08:35] <dholbach> no problem
[08:35] <dholbach> sorry it took so long
[08:35] <dholbach> today was a bit busy
[08:35] <gnomefreak> me too, matter of fact i just walked in the door'
[08:36] <dholbach> thanks again
[08:36] <dholbach> gnomefreak: uploaded
[08:37] <gnomefreak> yw
[08:37] <jrib> you fixed it faster than I could setup a gutsy vm :/  gnomefreak: did you do the gwget epiphany extension as well?
[08:38] <gnomefreak> hold on i think it builds it
[08:38] <gnomefreak> jrib Package: epiphany-extension-gwget   that?
[08:38] <jrib> yeah
[08:38] <gnomefreak> jrib: it builds it
[08:39] <gnomefreak> source for it is gwget
[08:50] <jrib> how do I create a gutsy pbuilder?  Specifically, how do I get /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/gutsy?
[08:50] <xxxxx1> jrib: you can try http://revu.tauware.de/~laserjock/pbuilder-feisty
[08:51] <xxxxx1> just rename
[08:52] <jrib> yep, got that, but when I try 'pbuilder-gutsy create', it complains "E: No such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/gutsy".  There's a note on the wiki, but no suggestion on what to do about it
[08:52] <nixternal> ScottK: what was the small c/c++ library package you gave me to reference for this new library I am working on?
[08:53] <xxxxx1> jrib: your debootstrap is up-to-date?
[08:53] <jrib> xxxxx1: good call, let me install gutsy's debootstrap on here
[08:55] <jrib> xxxxx1: thanks, that sorted it
[08:56] <xxxxx1> jrib: you're using feisty?
[08:56] <xxxxx1> get debootstrap from feisty-backports
[08:56] <PriceChild> I'm thinking about packaging up warzone2100 (http://wz2100.net/) They package their source with a debian/ amongst other things. They seem very reluctant to remove this in their upstream and I'm wondering what to do. Is it ok to just edit/remove the files in the existing debian and carry on regardless?
[08:58] <jrib> PriceChild: the mplayer package just renames debian to debian_upstream
[08:59] <PriceChild> I'm going to use a lot of what's there afaict...
[08:59] <xxxxx1> PriceChild: you should read section 6.7.8 of developers-reference.
[09:01] <xxxxx1> btw, you're discouraged to do that. only if you don't have another way to do your job without upstream help. :/
[09:03] <PriceChild> (I'm having to repackage it from bz2 to tar.gz anyway) I've read that before and I'm still unsure of what I should do. You say I'm discouraged from using their debian/ ?
[09:04] <xxxxx1> but you will remove debian/ subdir as well or just move them to bzip2 ?
[09:05] <xxxxx1> if just to move them to bzip2, could be good a get-orig-source doing that. but's optional, not mandatory.
[09:05] <ScottK> nixternal: Don't recall. sorry.
[09:05] <PriceChild> xxxxx1, I've completely lost you sorry...
[09:05] <nixternal> that's alright..I am checking libcurl...it is similar to this library anyways
[09:06] <ScottK> jrib: Try enabling feisty-backports and update pbuilder from there.
[09:06] <xxxxx1> PriceChild: :)
[09:07] <jrib> ScottK: thanks, installing gutsy's debootstrap worked, I didn't realize I had -backports off
[09:07] <xxxxx1> PriceChild: you need to repackage to bzip2 and/or remove debian/ subdir too?
[09:08] <PriceChild> xxxxx1, So far I'm just bzcat -> gzip -9 'ing the upstream's .bz2 into a nice .tar.gz Do you think I should remove the debian/ in that process?
[09:09] <xxxxx1> you say "...They package their source with a debian/ amongst other things...They seem very reluctant to remove this in their upstream..."
[09:10] <xxxxx1> you can use get-orig-source
[09:10] <xxxxx1> to do that tasks
[09:10] <xxxxx1> :)
[09:10] <PriceChild> ok cool :)
[09:11] <PriceChild> I'm happy, thanks :)
[09:11] <PriceChild> well not happy.... :P
[09:11] <superm1> ScottK, could you re-ack your +1 on libhdhomerun?  crimsun had me change two minor things (typo and add copyright info to the man page I wrote) but said that the naming was OK
[09:11] <ScottK> What's the url?
[09:12] <PriceChild> They also have some images in the debian/ which end up as icons around the place so I'll remove all but those in the get-orig-source
[09:12] <superm1> ScottK, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5336
[09:13] <jussi01> ScottK: thanks very much for all your help with mnemosyne, if you didnt notice its now uploaded :D
[09:13] <ScottK> Done
[09:13] <ScottK> jussi01: I did.  Congrats.
[09:13] <superm1> Thanks ScottK 
[09:13] <ScottK> NP.  Thank you for contributing.
[09:14] <nixternal> objdump -p filename |grep SONAME   <- what filename/type should I run this against in order to find/fix the SONAME?
[09:14] <leonel> ScottK: Feisty's  clamav  DONE !   \o/  Whoo hoo !  YES !
[09:14] <ScottK> leonel: Excellent.
[09:15] <ScottK> leonel: Did keescook upload it?
[09:15] <PriceChild> Just got to figure out how to do it now :)
[09:15] <leonel> ScottK: yes He did
[09:15] <ScottK> Great.
[09:43] <lfittl> joejaxx: is there a bigger version of the ubuntu studio logo somewhere?
[09:47] <leonel> ScottK: if there's no bug reports  for  Dapper's  Clamav  does that means that   1  people are using it with bugs  or  there's no people using it ?
[09:48] <leonel> ScottK: in launchpad  I don't see any security  bug report
[09:49] <leonel> ScottK: for dapper
[09:49] <leonel> ScottK: and we know there are bugs
[09:49] <ScottK> leonel: We need people to pay attention and file the bugs.  Have at it.
[09:50] <leonel> ScottK: is there a way to know  how many people have downloaded  dapper's clamav /
[09:50] <leonel> ?
[09:50] <ScottK> Not that I know of.
[09:50] <leonel> it's a big work  to patch  all the bugs ..
[09:51] <leonel> ScottK:  can It be to package  88.7   I think it would not break anything since  it's most security updates  and   start patching from there ?
[09:52] <ScottK> leonel: It would have to go in backports and no in -security.
[09:52] <ScottK> no/not.
[09:52] <ScottK> I think that can be done. 
[09:52] <ScottK> jdong is the person to ask about a new package direct into backports, but I'd be in favor of it.
[09:53] <leonel> since  the most bugs  can be considered  for  remote  attacks   I'll take a closer look  to dapper's clamav  
[09:54] <ScottK> Sounds great.  IIRC 0.88.4 is already in dapper-backports
[09:56] <leonel> ScottK: but as you said  not everyone has  backports enabled ..
[10:13] <ScottK> leonel: True.  To really do things right you'd have to patch 0.88.2
[10:14] <leonel> ok
[10:14] <leonel> I take a deep look  on what needs to be done 
[10:17] <Kmos> php 5.2.3 is out :)
[10:22] <gnomefreak> there has to be an easy way to search for .rej files other than locate and find
[10:24] <zorglu_> q. i would like to talk to somebody who has knowledge of apt-get http operation and how it queries the server. any suggestion on a place/personn i could talk to ?
[10:25] <gnomefreak> zorglu_: you want to know how apt uses repos?
[10:26] <zorglu_> gnomefreak: nope. i want to .. how can i explain that :)
[10:26] <zorglu_> gnomefreak: i want to understand how apt-get interact with the http server to play with mirroring and stuff
[10:27] <zorglu_> gnomefreak: im a developper playing with it to see what i can do. so it is not the usual type of question. hence my need for a dev knowing it and willing to answer some questions
[10:27] <gnomefreak> the person i would say speak to most likely wont be back until monday try asking in #synaptic
[10:28] <zorglu_> gnomefreak: ok noted. what is his nickname ?
[10:28] <gnomefreak> zorglu_: anyone in there should beable to help or ask mvo monday. unless someone else here knows
[10:28] <zorglu_> ok thanks
[10:28] <gnomefreak> maybe tuesday (not sure if monday is holiday or not)
[10:37] <imbrandon> man some of the stuff on the internet ( read: digg.com ) is ummm stupid .. i feel like i get penalized by one IQ point just for reading it
[10:40] <gnomefreak> nothing usefull IMO on either
[10:40] <LaserJock> hmm, it would be kinda cool if LP spit out a list of packages you've sponsored
[10:42] <pochu> and uploaded!
[10:42] <imbrandon> pochu, it tells the ones you've uplaoded
[10:42] <pochu> imbrandon: not all of them
[10:42] <imbrandon> howso, it sure does for me
[10:43] <LaserJock> sponsored or directly uploaded are the only options
[10:43] <LaserJock> we already have directly uploaded
[10:43] <pochu> e.g. if you upload -0ubuntu1 and -0ubuntu2 in the same repository, it will show -0ubuntu2, but not -0ubuntu1.
[10:43] <LaserJock> oh, hmm
[10:43] <pochu> So not all your uploads :)
[10:44] <LaserJock> I didn't know it did that
[10:44] <pochu> Which is ugly, since most of my uploads are for liferea :)
[10:44] <imbrandon> well thats because if you upload to the same repo the old one will be removed
[10:44] <imbrandon> makes sense
[10:44] <LaserJock> imbrandon: sweet automatix mad #10 on the "Top 10 apps in Ubuntu" ;-)
[10:45] <LaserJock> but it doesn't give an accurate count of activity
[10:45] <imbrandon> a kitten just got hit by a car
[10:45] <_MMA_> lol +1
[10:45] <pochu> imbrandon: but if you upload -0ubuntu1, and I upload -0ubuntu2, your upload will be removed too, and it's not removed from that list.
[10:45] <imbrandon> and ... thats correct too
[10:46] <pochu> So I don't see why it should remove old uploads.
[10:47] <LaserJock> imbrandon: oh wait, I was wrong
[10:47] <LaserJock> Automatix got #1
[10:47] <nixternal> WHAT?
[10:48] <LaserJock> amarok is #2
[10:48] <nixternal> where are you reading this?
[10:48] <LaserJock> http://lifehacker.com/software/lifehacker-top-10/top-10-ubuntu-applications-265052.php
[10:48] <nixternal> actually...don't...well damn you did
[10:48] <LaserJock> samba is #3
[10:48] <LaserJock> that's kind of an interesting one
[10:50] <LaserJock> oh and I love this in the comments when somebody asked whey Ubuntu is gnome-based: "I believe they chose Gnome because it is about the middle of the road system req wise (compared to KDE and Xfce)."
[10:51] <leonel> when will be the next  LTS ??   Gutsy + 1 ?
[10:51] <nixternal> ya, they added Ubuntu in order to get hits
[10:51] <keescook> say, should the mythtv package use "+" instead of "-" in it's version/svnDATE separation?
[10:52] <zorglu_> LaserJock: it is their opinion or they have actual measurement to systain this ranking ?
[10:52] <LaserJock> zorglu_: their opinion of course :-)
[10:52] <zorglu_> LaserJock: ah ok :)
[10:52] <LaserJock> "actual measurement" pfft
[10:53] <zorglu_> LaserJock: btw the idea to get more actual data about how people use ubuntu would be of great use, in my opinion
[10:53] <nixternal> lifehacker is all about opinions iirc, isn't it a blog?
[10:53] <LaserJock> they wouldn't know a statistic if it went out and gave them a heart attack
[10:53] <nixternal> something besides popcon? how it is being used would be neat to find out
[10:53] <LaserJock> nixternal: yes, it is a blog
[10:53] <nixternal> ahh OK...
[10:54] <LaserJock> getting real "scientific" data in Ubuntu is darn near impossible
[10:54] <LaserJock> we'd have to do nasty things like collect data without people knowing ;-)
[10:55] <nixternal> ya, that is true
[10:55] <pochu> leonel: yes
[10:55] <nixternal> well, surveys
[10:55] <pochu> leonel: or at least that's the plan :)
[10:55] <LaserJock> self reporting is pretty much always biased
[10:55] <LaserJock> and that's about the only way we get data
[10:55] <nixternal> true, but there is at least 40% truth to it
[10:56] <LaserJock> good enough for social sciences ;-)
[10:57] <zorglu_> LaserJock: why would it be impossible ?
[10:58] <LaserJock> because of what I said
[10:58] <zorglu_> LaserJock: what about an apps which monitor when other apps are launched/stopped. just that would be usefull to know
[10:58] <LaserJock> sure
[10:58] <LaserJock> but we can't turn that on by default
[10:58] <LaserJock> and hence require the person to want to participate
[10:59] <zorglu_> LaserJock: self reporting is not that usefull because it require the reporter to have very intimate knowledge of the system
[10:59] <LaserJock> which then doesn't give you a truely representitive sample
[10:59] <zorglu_> LaserJock: well you wont get the whole population this is clear
[10:59] <LaserJock> so your data will be biased
[11:00] <LaserJock> and then can be used to make wrong decisions if relied on too much
[11:00] <zorglu_> LaserJock: the monitoring/reporting will have to be on a voluntary bases too
[11:00] <zorglu_> currenlty decision are taken wihtout any data, it can hardly be better :)
[11:00] <LaserJock> popcon is pretty good
[11:00] <LaserJock> zorglu_: kinda depends
[11:00] <imbrandon> LaserJock, ahh right on , me composes an email
[11:01] <zorglu_> LaserJock: how having no data can be better 
[11:01] <zorglu_> ?
[11:01] <LaserJock> developers who know the software and how it fits within the distro are more likely to make better decisions
[11:01] <zorglu_> bad data may be ignored
[11:01] <LaserJock> I'm not saying that we shouldn't try
[11:01] <zorglu_> LaserJock: they makes better decision because they dont know how people uses the os ?
[11:01] <LaserJock> yes
[11:01] <zorglu_> euh i dont get it :)
[11:02] <LaserJock> they make better decisions because they aren't basing their decisions on wrong data ;-)
[11:02] <zorglu_> for me, to know what people want allow to increase their satisfaction
[11:02] <LaserJock> if it was truely representitive data then it might be useful
[11:02] <cbx33> ping imbrandon 
[11:02] <superm1> LaserJock, did you find a way to have launchpad tell you who did what uploads for you?
[11:02] <LaserJock> but there are 2 things I see as negatives:
[11:02] <zorglu_> currently they are basing their decision on no data at all
[11:02] <LaserJock> zorglu_: that's not really true
[11:03] <zorglu_> it may be phrased as 'shooting in the dark'
[11:03] <LaserJock> not at all
[11:03] <LaserJock> developers get software from upstreams
[11:03] <zorglu_> LaserJock: on which data are they basing their decision ?
[11:03] <LaserJock> from themselves
[11:03] <zorglu_> so their personnal opinions :)
[11:03] <LaserJock> the whole point of having developers is that they presumably have a good idea of what they are doing
[11:03] <LaserJock> no
[11:04] <zorglu_> talk to me about non representative sample :)
[11:04] <LaserJock> Ubuntu developers often don't do what there personal opinions say
[11:04] <imbrandon> cbx33, pong
[11:04] <LaserJock> they do research about what the best decision is
[11:04] <cbx33> hey imbrandon 
[11:04] <cbx33> get my pm?
[11:04] <LaserJock> and sometimes that's not the most popular decision
[11:04] <imbrandon> ahh /me looks
[11:04] <zorglu_> LaserJock: ok what is this 'reasearch' ?
[11:04] <LaserJock> talking to upstreams, reading code
[11:05] <LaserJock> seeing what's up-and-coming
[11:05] <LaserJock> then figuring out the ramifications of doing X
[11:05] <zorglu_> LaserJock: nothing to do with 'satisfying the users' there, no ?
[11:05] <LaserJock> "how will this affect the rest of the distro?"
[11:05] <LaserJock> haha
[11:05] <LaserJock> well if they go and break everything just because the users wanted newer X then that's not satisfying them either
[11:06] <zorglu_> sure that providing non buggy software is one part of the game
[11:06] <zorglu_> providing software usefull to the user is another part
[11:06] <zorglu_> this is the second im talking about
[11:06] <LaserJock> but I'm not saying thow out data gathering althogther
[11:06] <LaserJock> I'm saying that it's deceptive
[11:06] <LaserJock> and difficult to do right
[11:07] <LaserJock> and in the end it might not be worth it
[11:07] <LaserJock> most of the time there isn't any clear winner
[11:07] <LaserJock> if I say "emacs vs vi"
[11:07] <LaserJock> or say "firefox vs. epiphany"
[11:07] <jussio1> OK, got a question, now my package is uploaded, how do I go about gettiing it into debian? Is there someone who does this or do I need to do it myself?
[11:08] <LaserJock> it's not really going to help all that much to go out and gather user statistics
[11:08] <zorglu_> ok i will sumarize my point for logging :)
[11:08] <LaserJock> jussio1: you should talk to debian-mentors, they have an irc channel on oftc and a mailing list
[11:09] <jussi01> LaserJock: oftc?
[11:10] <LaserJock> jussi01: that's the irc network Debian uses
[11:10] <LaserJock> irc.debian.org will get you there I think
[11:10] <jussi01> thanks
[11:11] <superm1> LaserJock, how did you come up with the list of who had sponsored your uploads in your app for core-dev?  Just memory, or is there a way to look it up?
[11:13] <LaserJock> well
[11:13] <LaserJock> I actually did go through the .changes files on LP
[11:13] <LaserJock> found the key id of the person who signed it
[11:13] <LaserJock> then looked that key id up on biglumber.com
[11:13] <superm1> that can be a bit time consuming, but it will get everyone i guess.
[11:14] <LaserJock> that's why I was thinking it'd be cool to have that in LP
[11:14] <LaserJock> they have the data in the DB
[11:14] <superm1> did you write to launchpad-users to suggest it?
[11:14] <LaserJock> not yet, I just did it this morning and am still at work
[11:14] <superm1> ah
[11:17] <LaserJock> zorglu_: still writing? :-)
[11:24] <xxxxx1> bye all!
[11:36] <leonel> pochu:   <pochu> leonel: or at least that's the plan :)   <---    what plan ??
[11:36] <leonel> to update  clamav  to  88.7 in dapper  and  start patching from there ?
[11:36] <pochu> leonel: to make gutsy+1 an LTS.
[11:36] <leonel> ok  Perfect 
[11:59] <RainCT> keescook: Hi. Fix for bug #117156 fixed :)
[11:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 117156 in flobopuyo "Flobopuyo has no icon for the .desktop file" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117156
[12:05] <leonel> I've updated  firefox and  it is the new version   we need to push that  for  clamav ...
[12:11] <alexises> bonjour
[12:12] <alexises> bien 'jai un problaime de packadging
[12:12] <alexises> donc j'ai t trembaler de ubuntu-fr  ubuntu-fr-classroomm et a vous
[12:12] <alexises> donc je suis en train de faire un paquet pour un mmorpg ceci est mon 1er paquet
[12:13] <alexises> lintain s'affole donc en cliar c'est lmorreur
[12:13] <alexises> mais je continue maintenent on me dit de faire 2 paquet
[12:13] <alexises> un paquet lendes ternelle et un paquet landes ternelle date