| gnomefreak | mneptok: arnt you canonical support? | 12:40 |
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| === gnomefreak runs | ||
| mneptok | gnomefreak: when Joey Joe Joe gives me a credit card number ... ;) | 12:41 |
| gnomefreak | :) | 12:41 |
| ikonia | mneptok: get in the queue | 12:43 |
| mneptok | ikonia: what's a queue?! how do i enable it!? i need EXACT DIRECTIONS! man! why is this so HARD?! | 12:44 |
| ikonia | ha ha ha ha | 12:44 |
| ikonia | best response of the night | 12:44 |
| ikonia | you've just saved me from throwing my laptop across the room | 12:44 |
| Hobbsee | hiya mneptok | 12:44 |
| ikonia | #ubuntu is "testing" tonight | 12:44 |
| === mneptok douses Hobbsee with mayonnaise and dolphins | ||
| Hobbsee | mmm...tasty | 12:46 |
| mneptok | SAVE THE TUNA! | 12:46 |
| ikonia | give me booze, please | 12:49 |
| mneptok | |OOOOO|_ | 12:50 |
| mneptok | | ~| | | 12:50 |
| mneptok | | | | | 12:50 |
| mneptok | | |/ \___/ | 12:50 |
| mneptok | gah | 12:50 |
| ikonia | I need better than that | 12:51 |
| mneptok | |OOOOO|_ | 12:51 |
| mneptok | | | | | 12:51 |
| mneptok | | | | | 12:51 |
| mneptok | | |/ \___/ | 12:51 |
| mneptok | yrthdxrcoexb.a | 12:51 |
| === mneptok needs his horse-sized pills | ||
| ikonia | ha ha ha ha | 12:52 |
| mneptok | Your butt's gettin bigger, do you think he'll notice maybe? That's OK, don't worry bout it baby! 'Cause everybody knows he pumps you for your money. That's alright, don't worry bout it honey! In your itsy bitsy teenie weenie riding up your butt bikini. Keepin' on the heels cause you're saggin' just a teenie bit more than the girls he pretends he doesn't thrill. Rubbin' on the lotion, and rockin' on the horse size pills. | 12:54 |
| ikonia | Sir Mixalot ? | 12:55 |
| mneptok | The Dandy Warhols | 12:56 |
| ikonia | ah | 12:56 |
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| faight | plz unban ezE | 01:01 |
| LjL | i don't think i can be bothered | 01:01 |
| LjL | i'm not a mod | 01:01 |
| faight | hah | 01:01 |
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| LjL | join ##ljl | 01:01 |
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| LjL | you're unbanned | 01:02 |
| ezE | thanks | 01:02 |
| LjL | next time, read. and when you have a question, ask the question anyway, don't ask if there are "mods" around. | 01:03 |
| LjL | for starters, we have operators on IRC, not moderators. | 01:03 |
| LjL | secondly, we usually want to know what the matter is. | 01:03 |
| ezE | yes, thatt would be nice | 01:03 |
| === mneptok is a TOTALLY SICK Quake 3 mod!!!11!1!1!!!11 | ||
| ezE | heres a question: how do i compile or un compress a BIN file? | 01:04 |
| ezE | i want to run it | 01:04 |
| PriceChild | ezE, this isn't a support channel | 01:04 |
| mneptok | (it is if you give me your credit card number) :P | 01:04 |
| PriceChild | haha :) | 01:04 |
| ezE | 6969 - 6969 - 6969] | 01:04 |
| mneptok | ezE: i'm kicking. you're receiving. please go "downfield" | 01:05 |
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| mneptok | tease. | 01:06 |
| ikonia | mneptok: your on excellent form | 01:06 |
| ikonia | laughing hard | 01:06 |
| mneptok | blame the decongestants | 01:06 |
| PriceChild | LjL, pfft mods on irc... we don't wanna lower our standards to that of the forums do we? | 01:06 |
| mneptok | PriceChild: wait 'til you see my new avatar and 145Kb sig! | 01:07 |
| PriceChild | :) | 01:08 |
| LjL | PriceChild: just use terms where they belong. i don't call forum moderators ops. | 01:08 |
| PriceChild | LjL, I'm only messing :) | 01:08 |
| mneptok | LjL: but the real question is, do you call them "moderators" or ....? ;) | 01:08 |
| LjL | i don't know, i don't write on any forums :P | 01:09 |
| ikonia | I'm out | 01:14 |
| ikonia | good night all | 01:14 |
| mneptok | "xmonad, a tiling window manager for X, written in Haskell." | 01:15 |
| mneptok | it's like a bad dream | 01:15 |
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| tritium | LjL: byleth wasn't attempting to use the exploit. He was complaining about being sent that string... | 02:05 |
| LjL | and i believe him | 02:05 |
| tritium | Just making sure you saw that, since you banned him. | 02:05 |
| nalioth | i'm talking to him | 02:06 |
| LjL | yes, i did see. he's a registered user and everything (though the nick is private, so i can't see since how long...) | 02:06 |
| tritium | okay :) | 02:06 |
| LjL | yet i'm inclined to not believe he didn't know | 02:06 |
| nalioth | ok, he quit before i could talk to him | 02:06 |
| LjL | he could always message me. | 02:07 |
| === crdlb wouldn't have thought it would work in the middle of the line | ||
| nalioth | crdlb: oh, it does. | 02:07 |
| LjL | if he knows how to use nickserv and make a nick private, he knows how to know who banned him, and how to privmsg him. | 02:07 |
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| crdlb | I can tell :P | 02:07 |
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| uberushaximus | sup ops | 02:07 |
| ikonia | titium I can't believe your allowing this scooby guy | 02:07 |
| uberushaximus | router bug banned me | 02:08 |
| LjL | uberushaximus: well, have you fixed it? | 02:08 |
| uberushaximus | I'm on 8001 | 02:08 |
| LjL | uberushaximus: join ##ljl for a test please | 02:08 |
| uberushaximus | mmk | 02:08 |
| LjL | thank you | 02:09 |
| nalioth | LjL: you no longer have to leave here to test | 02:10 |
| uberushaximus | sure, is there more detailed info on this exploit? | 02:10 |
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| mneptok | nalioth: what's the new testing procedure? | 02:33 |
| jrib | good question | 02:34 |
| nalioth | mneptok: /ctcp mneptok DCC COMMAND HEREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeee | 02:34 |
| LjL | are we happy with just ctcp? | 02:35 |
| mneptok | nalioth: suave | 02:35 |
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| nalioth | LjL: i've not had anyone get by the ctcp test and get caught by the channel send | 02:39 |
| LjL | true, me neither | 02:39 |
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| ubotu | In #ubuntu, keanne said: ubotu, oh, is that so? i am still trying out ubuntu, and the only reason why i installed automatix was i read an article about ubuntu + automatix. guess i should have come here first before installing it. | 03:53 |
| nalioth | heh | 03:54 |
| Vorian | lol | 03:55 |
| mneptok | http://tinyurl.com/2lrflc | 04:08 |
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| PurpZeY | Can someone please test me for the DCCExploit? I was out to dinner and just came back to this | 04:15 |
| nalioth | test failed. | 04:17 |
| crdlb | heh | 04:17 |
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| nalioth | PurpZeY: have you fixed your client settings? | 04:20 |
| PurpZeY | nalioth: I believe so...let me verify that it stuck | 04:20 |
| PurpZeY | nalioth: Yes. | 04:21 |
| crdlb | what client? | 04:21 |
| nalioth | PurpZeY: here we go again | 04:21 |
| PurpZeY | X-chat-gnome | 04:21 |
| crdlb | eww | 04:21 |
| === crdlb fix0rz the wiki | ||
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| ubotu | In ubotu, intelikey said: kmenu-mess is you may be interested in < http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=31031 > | 04:22 |
| PurpZeY | Is there some step I am missing? I followed. | 04:22 |
| PurpZeY | the wiki | 04:22 |
| nalioth | PurpZeY: you need to connect to irc.freenode.net port 8001 | 04:23 |
| crdlb | the problem is that you're using "Ubuntu Servers" not Freenode | 04:23 |
| crdlb | even though it's the same thing | 04:23 |
| crdlb | there's two entries | 04:23 |
| PurpZeY | crdlb: But it should read server/8001 ? | 04:24 |
| crdlb | yes | 04:24 |
| PurpZeY | I will check that entry as well. | 04:24 |
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| PurpZeY | Ok. I set port to 8001 on both servers. | 04:26 |
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| PurpZeY | crdlb: Can you verify me now? | 04:28 |
| === crdlb cannot | ||
| nalioth | looks good, PurpZeY | 04:28 |
| === crdlb fixed the wiki fwiw | ||
| PurpZeY | nalioth: Thanks, can I get unbanned? | 04:29 |
| nalioth | you are unbanned, thanks for your patience PurpZeY | 04:29 |
| PurpZeY | No worries...I had no idea I was vulnerable. | 04:30 |
| nalioth | PurpZeY: glad we caught you | 04:32 |
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| ubotu | In #xubuntu-offtopic, Jester45 said: ubotu is still running is it not | 06:23 |
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| jussi01 | hello ops, anyone awake? | 07:02 |
| Burgundavia | nope | 07:05 |
| jussi01 | hmmm, could you help me with an un-ubuntu related irc problem Burgundavia? | 07:06 |
| Hobbsee | jussi01: boo | 07:07 |
| jussi01 | I want to deregister a channel i made and registered.. | 07:07 |
| jussi01 | boo Hobbsee :D | 07:07 |
| Burgundavia | make everybody leave | 07:07 |
| jussi01 | Burgundavia: they have | 07:07 |
| crdlb | try #freenode | 07:07 |
| Hobbsee | checked /msg chanserv help? | 07:07 |
| Hobbsee | i believe it covers this stuff? | 07:07 |
| jussi01 | Hobbsee: thanks | 07:07 |
| jussi01 | /msg chanserv | 07:07 |
| jussi01 | gah | 07:08 |
| jussi01 | /msg chanserv help | 07:09 |
| Burgundavia | still failing | 07:09 |
| jussi01 | yep | 07:09 |
| nalioth | jussi01: have you been helped? | 07:17 |
| jussi01 | nalioth: yeah, im in #freenode | 07:18 |
| jussi01 | :D | 07:18 |
| jussi01 | thanks | 07:18 |
| nalioth | jussi01: it would help if we knew the channel name | 07:18 |
| jussi01 | #finlandforum | 07:19 |
| jussi01 | nalioth: it doesnt look like i did register the email address :( | 07:20 |
| jussi01 | nalioth: thanks a lot! | 07:25 |
| nalioth | you're welcome, jussi01 | 07:25 |
| jussi01 | :) | 07:25 |
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| Heptofite | yeah, so | 07:26 |
| Heptofite | i don't care about a router exploit, i just want to get ubuntu help in the ubuntu channel | 07:26 |
| nalioth | Heptofite: if you fix your client, you can achieve both aims | 07:27 |
| Heptofite | why is there an automatic forwarding script? i don't want router help, i want linux help | 07:28 |
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| Heptofite | so, now im connected on the all-important other port | 07:32 |
| Heptofite | im curious as to how you could possibly know i was vulnerable without probing my system | 07:32 |
| Hobbsee | Heptofite: because you got thrown off the network when someone ran the exploit in #ubuntu | 07:32 |
| Hobbsee | Heptofite: and obviously, when you're being thrown off the network, it's kinda hard to get help | 07:32 |
| Hobbsee | anyway, you're fine | 07:33 |
| Hobbsee | thanks for your patience. | 07:33 |
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| Hobbsee | sigh | 07:33 |
| Hobbsee | "i dont appreciate that, stop" | 07:33 |
| Hobbsee | what do you think i'm doing, moron? i'm onlytesting you for hte exploit | 07:34 |
| crdlb | did he pm you that? | 07:34 |
| Hobbsee | yeah | 07:34 |
| crdlb | that's a cheery fellow | 07:35 |
| Hobbsee | indeed. | 07:35 |
| Hobbsee | !tar | 07:43 |
| ubotu | Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with file-roller (GNOME) or Ark (KDE) - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression | 07:43 |
| Hobbsee | argh...we really need to split that channel | 07:52 |
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| Hobbsee | hi ompaul | 07:54 |
| nalioth | Hobbsee: which one? | 07:54 |
| Hobbsee | nalioth: #ubuntu | 07:54 |
| Hobbsee | you've seen teh irc mailing list? | 07:55 |
| nalioth | Hobbsee: why do you say that? | 07:55 |
| nalioth | Hobbsee: i have. | 07:55 |
| crdlb | because it's crazy | 07:55 |
| Hobbsee | because it's crazy in there | 07:55 |
| ompaul | hiya Hobbsee | 07:55 |
| Hobbsee | and i'm sick of people in -devel askign for support | 07:55 |
| ompaul | Hobbsee, they should be asked once to go to #ubuntu and have patience send to them | 07:57 |
| Hobbsee | ompaul: we do. | 07:58 |
| Hobbsee | ompaul: trust us. we do | 07:58 |
| Hobbsee | it's just that we keep having to do so | 07:58 |
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| nixternal | Hobbsee: and lets not forget 100 lines per second scroll in there :) | 08:46 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 08:46 |
| nixternal | I am not 100% sold on the idea though, as a lot of users coming in aren't familiar with IRC as it is, and telling them to join #ubuntu-foobar might be a little much | 08:47 |
| nixternal | then again, anything to curve the -devel support line | 08:47 |
| Hobbsee | elkbuntu: you'll love janew's reponse | 08:48 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: indeed. | 08:48 |
| nixternal | heck, #ubuntu-chicago gets quite a few people coming through for support because it was to much for them in the main channel | 08:48 |
| nixternal | Hobbsee: she made another response? | 08:48 |
| Hobbsee | mhmmm | 08:49 |
| Hobbsee | on her blog | 08:49 |
| nixternal | heh, Planet pictures are funny. | 08:49 |
| nixternal | Burgwork: you look evil in yours | 08:49 |
| nixternal | Revell is drunk | 08:49 |
| Madpilot | Burgwork is evil | 08:49 |
| nixternal | MikeB looks like he is annoyed | 08:49 |
| nixternal | Aaron reminds me of that crooked car salesman on the used car lot | 08:50 |
| nixternal | jono looks like he is special forces with his hat and hairy chin thing | 08:50 |
| nixternal | ubuntu demon is a bsd fan | 08:50 |
| nixternal | mirco looks like that was taken while he was mugging someone "GIVE ME ALL YOUR MONEY!" | 08:51 |
| nixternal | hehe, Og is doing the serious thing | 08:51 |
| nixternal | hahahaha, Jucato is trying to be a pimp! | 08:51 |
| nixternal | gahaha, Admiral_Chicago...poor kid ;) | 08:52 |
| nixternal | Hobbsee: is this a new jane one, or the old jane one? I can't find any other one but the first one she did | 08:55 |
| === Jucato should really get a better pic... | ||
| Hobbsee | http://janewsblog.blogspot.com/ | 09:08 |
| nixternal | oooh | 09:08 |
| nixternal | I didn't know about that blog now | 09:09 |
| nixternal | Hobbsee: I didn't know that secksy post was the reason you started contributing tothe planet ;p | 09:09 |
| nixternal | wow, misinformation everywhere | 09:09 |
| Tm_T | elkbuntu: btw good posts in planet :) | 09:10 |
| Hobbsee | it doesnt seem to be syndicated to planet | 09:10 |
| nixternal | and she (jane) starts her post out with "when I worked for Ubuntu" | 09:10 |
| nixternal | rather "when I was working with Ubuntu" | 09:10 |
| nixternal | has she since moved oN? | 09:10 |
| Tm_T | Jucato: how's your "learning packaging" mission is going? | 09:10 |
| Tm_T | Jucato: I'm sorta waiting your full documentation ;) | 09:11 |
| Jucato | Tm_T: put on hold indefinitely... | 09:11 |
| Jucato | nixternal seems to be taking over though :) | 09:11 |
| nixternal | OMFG | 09:11 |
| Jucato | regarding that documentation thingy :) | 09:11 |
| elkbuntu | Hobbsee, yeah highvoltage just showed it to me | 09:11 |
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| Tm_T | I find it interesting how people can't understand that what looks small to one, can be huge to other | 09:20 |
| Tm_T | etc | 09:21 |
| Tm_T | and now I'm bit jumping from topic to another but I'm not interested to see "sextoys" in planet ubuntu | 09:22 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: she doenst work for canonical anymore | 09:22 |
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| Hobbsee | Tm_T: heh | 09:30 |
| Hobbsee | Tm_T: i'm surprised more peoplehavent said that, acutaly | 09:30 |
| sgrove | can I be tested fr the router exploit? | 09:31 |
| Tm_T | Hobbsee: said what? | 09:31 |
| Hobbsee | [17:22] <Tm_T> and now I'm bit jumping from topic to another but I'm not interested to see "sextoys" in planet ubuntu | 09:31 |
| sgrove | and can someone explain why it's a problem? isn't it app-specific, not port/router specific? | 09:31 |
| Tm_T | Hobbsee: well, I'm not interested about it at all personally so... | 09:31 |
| Tm_T | but hey, I'm not human, just hu-man like | 09:31 |
| Hobbsee | Tm_T: exactly | 09:31 |
| Hobbsee | sgrove: it's a router problem, you can bypass it with the different part | 09:32 |
| sgrove | well, I disabled the ports which I was using for my bittorrenting | 09:34 |
| sgrove | I guess it should be ok now? | 09:35 |
| Tm_T | Hobbsee: exactly I'm not human? )( | 09:38 |
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| gnomefreak | Hobbsee: congrats | 12:39 |
| Hobbsee | thankyou :) | 12:39 |
| gnomefreak | yw :) you deserve to be a core-devel IMHO and others opinions too | 12:40 |
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| mc44 | Hobbsee: quick, now trash main! :P | 12:42 |
| Tm_T | Hobbsee: see that big red lever in next of your office desk? use it | 12:43 |
| Tm_T | that warning text is for noobs, don't waste time of reading it | 12:43 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 12:44 |
| Tm_T | ...and tomorrow all media reports Ubuntu core melting | 12:45 |
| Madpilot | <wicked witch of the west>I'm meeelllllllltttttiiiiinnngggg..........</witch> | 12:48 |
| elkbuntu | lol | 12:49 |
| === elkbuntu hugs Hobbsee | ||
| === Hobbsee hugs elkbuntu | ||
| Hobbsee | :D | 12:50 |
| elkbuntu | yay... are you the first core-devess? | 12:50 |
| mc44 | yep she is | 12:53 |
| === mc44 refrains from making jokes about pink and ponies :P | ||
| Tm_T | mc44: weird you didn't make fun of my pink ponies | 12:55 |
| mc44 | Tm_T: that's cos I am very envious | 12:56 |
| elkbuntu | mc44, nobody does that better than the slashdot guys | 12:56 |
| Hobbsee | elkbuntu: i think so | 12:57 |
| Tm_T | grrrr, I really need skintight t-shirt with "Squeeze my lemon" text | 12:58 |
| elkbuntu | Hobbsee, i read the meeting btw, ... that whole 'we want help with UDS' has me intrigued | 12:59 |
| Hobbsee | elkbuntu: how so? | 12:59 |
| elkbuntu | Hobbsee, because i too thought it was a 'closed' process | 12:59 |
| Hobbsee | indeed. | 01:00 |
| Hobbsee | "if you want help, you need to say that" | 01:00 |
| elkbuntu | yeah | 01:00 |
| elkbuntu | heck, i would have helped this time if i knew i could have | 01:00 |
| elkbuntu | in what little ways i could | 01:01 |
| Hobbsee | exactly | 01:01 |
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| arpegius | please test | 03:43 |
| arpegius | i'm connected on port 8001 ... didn't open it up on my router tho. do i have to do that? | 03:43 |
| Hobbsee | arpegius: tested, thanks. you can rejoin #ubuntu now :) | 03:45 |
| Hobbsee | you dont have to | 03:45 |
| arpegius | dthanks | 03:45 |
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| jrib | !changethemes | 05:00 |
| ubotu | [Ubuntu] Install gnome-themes or go to menu, system settings, appearance. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy for a guide. [Kubuntu] For a Kubuntu guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu | 05:00 |
| jrib | menu -> system settings -> appearance ? Where is that from? | 05:01 |
| LjL | jrib: a KDE user, i would suspect :P | 05:02 |
| LjL | edit it | 05:02 |
| jrib | oh... | 05:02 |
| jrib | how are menu items being put in? a -> b or a, b or a > b? | 05:03 |
| LjL | jrib, most well written factoids seem to use a -> b as far as i can remember, however they differ. | 05:04 |
| jrib | ok, I like -> | 05:04 |
| Hobbsee | a -> b i expect | 05:04 |
| Hobbsee | seeing as < > etc have maths connotations | 05:04 |
| LjL | so does -> :P | 05:05 |
| LjL | System tends to Preferences :P | 05:05 |
| jrib | ubotu no, changethemes is <reply> To change your themes, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy. Kubuntu users should visit https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu. | 05:06 |
| ubotu | I'll remember that jrib | 05:06 |
| jrib | would be best I guess | 05:08 |
| nalioth | jrib: a what? | 05:09 |
| jrib | it's an arrow | 05:09 |
| === nalioth sees a box | ||
| jrib | you still haven't fixed that? | 05:09 |
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| nalioth | i've installed every damned font available. idk what else to do. | 05:12 |
| Pici | I see a box too | 05:13 |
| LjL | i see an arrow | 05:13 |
| LjL | dejavu sans | 05:13 |
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| Pici | I see an arrow now, it was a box with Bitstream Vera Sans | 05:15 |
| LjL | probably best to find a glyph that's supported by some more fonts :) | 05:15 |
| gnomefreak | nalioth: pango update or other font update if you see all boxes try to restart (cant remember if restarting X will work or rebooting) im assuming X should do it | 05:16 |
| === Pici is running windows atm :( | ||
| gnomefreak | thats if you open something and see boxes instead of letters or numbers | 05:17 |
| === nalioth uses irssi | ||
| gnomefreak | me too | 05:18 |
| === gnomefreak crosses fingers and preys butt off | ||
| gnomefreak | brb while this builds too scared to watch it | 05:19 |
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| LjL | they really don't get it | 05:26 |
| Pici | I know, its painful sometimes. | 05:26 |
| LjL | neverblue thinks he's smart, i assume | 05:28 |
| LjL | and he's still not getting either the !enter or the part where overgeneric questions *should* get an !answer | 05:29 |
| stefg | Once we're at it: is there away to save #ubuntu? I mean seriously, #ubuntu had turned into the market place for people looking for a bitch to sort out their silly problems (which could be solved by just reading the manual) and trolls who trick newbs into rm -rf / (as i witnessed yesterday). As motivated as i am to volunteer to help people ovr the rough edges of Linux, this is becoming a... | 05:33 |
| stefg | ...major pain.... | 05:33 |
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| LjL | stefg: opinions vary. mine is, get stricter with channel noise. if people | 05:34 |
| LjL | speak like this | 05:34 |
| LjL | this should not be tolerated anymore | 05:34 |
| Pici | I usually just take a break if I'm getting that annoyed with support | 05:34 |
| LjL | don't be afraid to use the bot with canned replies to "meaningless" questions | 05:34 |
| LjL | as much as some people call that abusing it | 05:35 |
| LjL | it is not | 05:35 |
| LjL | and make sure the > syntax is used as much as possible | 05:35 |
| LjL | if someone gives rm -rf advice, call the ops, and if someone gives non-destructive but still appealingly stupid advice, ping an op anyway. | 05:35 |
| LjL | (i mean, *after* telling them why their advice is misleading, and seeing they don't care) | 05:36 |
| LjL | s/appealingly/appallingly/ | 05:36 |
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| stefg | LjL: what's needed in my opinion is a way to adjust peoples expectations (which is sure be fired by the marketing hype) to: you will need to read an explanation of more than 3 lines lentgh. You will have to read through the FAQ. Read the /topic.... noone ever has come up with a smart way to educate people that way, and i see #ubuntu going the way of #debian (and all other channels in that flavor) | 05:39 |
| LjL | stefg: describe "the way of #debian" as you see it please | 05:39 |
| stefg | LjL: angry or annoyed ops/supporters, which have to use 'irc-violence' to keep the channel on track. I feel #debian, #apache, and #samba (to name a few) are 'hostile channels, where you have to watch every line you type. And i know the reason why they became like that.... being flooded with stuff that deserves a RTFM, STFW and 'learn how to ask first'- stuff | 05:42 |
| LjL | stefg: do you have any suggestions yourself? | 05:43 |
| stefg | LjL: no... not really. That's still an unsolved problem on IRC. I could think of splitting #ubuntu into #ubuntu-beginners, #ubuntu-tell-me-which-channel-is-right-for-my-question, and #i-have-a-real-problem-with-ubuntu.... but splitting #ubuntu is a controversial debate for itself | 05:46 |
| Pici | This comes up every few weeks, the decision always comes back to that #ubuntu is easier for everyone | 05:47 |
| LjL | stefg: it is. yet, that would make the channel less "scrollfull", but does it really address anything else? | 05:47 |
| stefg | LjL: my current opinion is that #ubuntu is on the track of becoming counter-productive. As you've seen yesterday. It's to hard to filter the rtfm/stfw noise, and people looking for a bitch to solve their problem (which should first be the forum/google) get tricked into rm -rf / | 05:50 |
| LjL | stefg: i assume being tricked into rm -rf isn't acceptable on #debian, either? | 05:51 |
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| stefg | LjL: lol, that's not my point. My point is: Let's put more energy and cleverness at how to bring people to read /topic, the Faq and google first, read http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html and ask in #ubuntu THEN.... long unsolved problem, which requires a real thoughtful hack | 05:54 |
| PriceChild | argh titanix88 is back... | 05:54 |
| LjL | stefg, the topic is shown in the first lines when you join a channel, with almost every irc client. since people don't read it, some channels have taken the habit of giving them an on-join notice. other channels even have bots that PRIVMSG you a whole essay on join. | 05:55 |
| LjL | yet, people don't read any of that. | 05:55 |
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| jrib | well you could patch gaim, to lock your screen and give you a quiz at the end about the topic | 05:56 |
| stefg | jrib: yeah... brilliant! | 05:56 |
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| stefg | netsplit | 05:57 |
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| Myrtti | is there, btw, a channel where a bot announces all the bugs from launchpad? | 05:58 |
| PriceChild | -bugs | 05:58 |
| Myrtti | I'd really love such because I'm administrating a few ubuntus (dapper, feisty) at the office and people ask me if it's safe to upgrade packages | 05:58 |
| Myrtti | thanks. | 05:58 |
| PriceChild | Hmm was that server death then... :S | 05:59 |
| Myrtti | /me sips some more french red wine with orange soda | 05:59 |
| gnomefreak | it doesnt annouce all bugs, only annouces new bugs (not sure what the parameters are though) | 05:59 |
| Myrtti | hmh. | 05:59 |
| Myrtti | bwah. | 06:00 |
| gnomefreak | most bugs that affect ubuntu should be announced in there (new ones) | 06:00 |
| Myrtti | I wouldn't mind status changes and such either | 06:01 |
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| Myrtti | because that would be a great way of knowing that certain things have broken really really badly down | 06:03 |
| Myrtti | btw, I've got way too many channels and windows | 06:04 |
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| Pici | Hm... ubotu is lagging | 07:34 |
| PriceChild | !test | 07:34 |
| ubotu | failed | 07:34 |
| Pici | It just caught up after I said that... of course... | 07:35 |
| nalioth | Pici: guess you're lagging | 07:35 |
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| jussi01 | !test | 09:23 |
| ubotu | failed | 09:23 |
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| gnomefreak | NO FLAME: is there a more accurate tool to search for files other than locate or find? im looking for .rej files neither locate nor find helps | 10:32 |
| gnomefreak | and i know there is one | 10:32 |
| gnomefreak | atleast | 10:32 |
| nalioth | gnomefreak: locate *.rej (starting in your / ) | 10:34 |
| jrib | gnomefreak: what is a .rej file? | 10:35 |
| gnomefreak | jrib: reject file. say a patch fails to apply it gens a .rej file | 10:35 |
| jrib | I found one and it's deep in kernel sources where I do not go | 10:36 |
| gnomefreak | and i was told not in patched dir | 10:36 |
| gnomefreak | ha i win | 10:37 |
| jrib | find is probably the ebst way | 10:37 |
| gnomefreak | i didnt need to get rid of it :) autoconf2.13 worked like a charm | 10:38 |
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| nalioth | so which log do i check to see why my #*QW(@ box keeps freezing solid? | 11:17 |
| PriceChild | /var/log/kern.log ? :s | 11:20 |
| nalioth | it doesn't show anything, PriceChild | 11:22 |
| nalioth | just my mouse and keyboard | 11:22 |
| mc44 | dmesg? | 11:22 |
| nalioth | doesn't say anything different | 11:23 |
| PriceChild | is it freezing or shutting down? | 11:23 |
| nalioth | freezing. | 11:24 |
| nalioth | can't ssh in from another machine or anything | 11:24 |
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| nalioth | i'm wondering if updating to ubuntu-current will do anything (currently on dapper) | 11:29 |
| ompaul | nalioth, it might help a some the kernel gets better most of the time | 11:34 |
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| jussi01 | can someone remind me of the command for ubotu to search the repos for something? | 11:46 |
| mc44 | !find | 11:46 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about find - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | 11:46 |
| mc44 | @find | 11:46 |
| mc44 | rather | 11:46 |
| crdlb | it is !find | 11:47 |
| jrib | !find stdio.h | 11:47 |
| ubotu | File stdio.h found in avr-libc, cmix, dietlibc-dev, ecos, elks-libc (and 43 others) | 11:47 |
| mc44 | @find vrms | 11:47 |
| jussi01 | thanks | 11:47 |
| mc44 | oh, so it is | 11:47 |
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