[03:26] <gecko89> wondering if anyone can help with a LAMP server?
[03:26] <gecko89> I only have the LA
[03:28] <gecko89> i've installed the php module, it doesn't seem to be working... phpinfo() yields a blank page
[03:29] <ajmitch> what did you install? libapache2-mod-php5 ?
[03:29] <gecko89> yes
[03:29] <ajmitch> do you have php5.conf & php5.load symlinks in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled ?
[03:29] <gecko89> let me check
[03:30] <gecko89> I added the files.. is there some special way to handle them?
[03:30] <ajmitch> added, how?
[03:30] <gecko89> cp
[03:30] <ajmitch> did you just create the symlinks?
[03:31] <gecko89> no, what's a symlink?
[03:31] <ajmitch> uh oh
[03:31] <ajmitch> best to just remove the files you copied, and use a2enmod
[03:32] <ajmitch> specifically, a2enmod php5
[03:32] <gecko89> how do i use a2enmod
[03:32] <gecko89> oh its just a command
[03:33] <gecko89> alright lemme try restarting apache
[03:33] <ajmitch> once you restart apache, check /var/log/apache2/error.log
[03:34] <ajmitch> you'd see a line similar to:
[03:34] <ajmitch> [Wed May 30 07:36:43 2007]  [notice]  Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) PHP/4.4.4-8+etch1 configured -- resuming normal operations
[03:34] <ajmitch> if it is loaded
[03:34] <gecko89> PHP Warning:  PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs/xmlrpc.so' - /usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs/xmlrpc.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0
[03:34] <gecko89> [Thu May 31 20:44:35 2007]  [notice]  Apache/2.2.3 (Ubuntu) PHP/5.2.1 configured -- resuming normal operations
[03:35] <ajmitch> interesting
[03:36] <gecko89> still getting a blank page
[03:36] <ajmitch> you've installed php5 only from ubuntu repositories?
[03:36] <ajmitch> not using getdeb.net or similar?
[03:36] <gecko89> i did apt-get install php5-common
[03:39] <gecko89> this is all a little different, i previously ran an apache 1 server with php 4 on windows
[03:41] <ajmitch> are you trying to load an xmlrpc extension in /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini ?
[03:41] <gecko89> let's see here
[03:42] <gecko89> i don't think so, the only reference to xmlrpc in php.ini is:    [xmlrpc] 
[03:42] <gecko89> ;xmlrpc_error_number = 0
[03:42] <gecko89> ;xmlrpc_errors = 0
[03:45] <ajmitch> interesting, I wonder why it's trying to load it. anyway, it's in the php5-xmlrpc package
[03:45] <ajmitch> and your sample phpinfo page, where is it?
[03:45] <gecko89> /var/www/
[03:45] <gecko89> document root
[03:46] <ajmitch> right, using long tags? 
[03:46] <gecko89> this is what it is...
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[03:47] <gecko89> <?php phpinfo();
[03:47] <gecko89> ?>
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[03:48] <ajmitch> ok, which works fine for me
[03:48] <ajmitch> it does have a .php extension?
[03:48] <gecko89> yes
[03:49] <gecko89> at first firefox wouldn't recognize it, but i added the file type to apache2.conf
[03:49] <ajmitch> right, how did you add it?
[03:49] <gecko89> i just installed the php5-xmlrpc package, it no longer does the same error
[03:49] <ajmitch> that addition should probably be removed now
[03:50] <ajmitch> since php5.conf in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled has the right configuration syntax to use
[03:50] <gecko89> AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .phtml
[03:52] <gecko89> took it out, still getting just a blank page
[03:52] <gecko89> apache gives an error apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName
[03:52] <gecko89> i dont think that has anything to do with it though
[03:52] <ajmitch> no, it shouldn't
[03:52] <ajmitch> nothing else in error.log?
[03:53] <gecko89>  nothing
[03:55] <hads> :)
[03:55] <gecko89> i have webmin installed, would that be causing any trouble?
[03:55] <ajmitch> webmin causes all sorts of troubles
[03:55] <ajmitch> which is why it was removed from debian & ubuntu
[03:55] <gecko89> how do i remove it
[03:56] <ajmitch> problem is how it can end up mangling configuration files
[03:56] <ajmitch> hads: situation is, php5 module appears loaded, everything in the right place, phpinfo() isn't spitting out anything
[03:56] <gecko89> it hasn't helped me any way so im fine with parting with it
[03:56] <ajmitch> hi ibeardslee :)
[03:57] <ibeardslee> hi ajmitch 
[04:03] <gecko89> alright, i removed webmin
[04:03] <gecko89> still blank, heh
[04:04] <gecko89> is there any special change i need to make to apache2.conf, or did the add-module part take care of everything?
[04:04] <gecko89> er, mods-enabled
[04:05] <ajmitch> no, unless webmin broke the config :)
[04:06] <gecko89> well im checking paths and stuff, it's pointing to the right place
[04:06] <gecko89> php5.load:  LoadModule php5_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so
[04:06] <gecko89> and libphp5.so is there
[04:06] <gecko89> i see php5.conf took care of the file types
[04:06] <hads> Is phpinfo showing anything? The source file?
[04:06] <ajmitch> and does /etc/apache2/apache2.conf have these 2 lines?
[04:06] <ajmitch> Include /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/*.load
[04:06] <ajmitch> Include /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/*.conf
[04:07] <gecko89> ajmitch, lemme check
[04:07] <gecko89> hads, the source file is showing the php script...
[04:08] <gecko89> yeah, that's screwed up
[04:08] <gecko89> ajmitch, it has both those lines just like that
[04:09] <ajmitch> hads: we know from apache's error.log that php is loaded at least
[04:09] <hads> is php5.conf linked in? That will give it the filetypes to process.
[04:10] <gecko89> yup, linked it
[04:10] <gecko89> i first had that part wrong
[04:10] <hads> It could be that the module is loaded but no file types are assigned so they aren't being processed.
[04:10] <gecko89> <IfModule mod_php5.c>
[04:10] <gecko89>   AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .phtml .php3
[04:10] <gecko89>   AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps
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[04:10] <gecko89> that's in php5.conf
[04:11] <hads> Can you pastebin the output of ls -l /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/
[04:11] <hads> (not here, in a pastebin).
[04:12] <gecko89> how do i do a pastebin
[04:12] <hads> http://pastebin.ca
[04:13] <gecko89> http://pastebin.ca/526947
[04:15] <hads> Odd.
[04:16] <ajmitch> rather
[04:17] <gecko89> indubitably
[04:17] <hads> Of course apache has been restarted? :)
[04:18] <gecko89> quite a bit yeah
[04:18] <ajmitch> hads: even checked that it's a file with a .php extension in /var/www :)
[04:19] <hads> With `sudo invoke-rc.d apache restart` or `sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart`
[04:19] <hads> ajmitch: :)
[04:19] <gecko89> [Thu May 31 21:03:37 2007]  [notice]  Apache/2.2.3 (Ubuntu) PHP/5.2.1 configured -- resuming normal operations
[04:19] <gecko89> [Thu May 31 21:07:22 2007]  [error]  [client 192.168.0.101]  File does not exist: /var/www/favicon.ico
[04:19] <gecko89> [Thu May 31 21:18:28 2007]  [notice]  caught SIGTERM, shutting down
[04:19] <gecko89> [Thu May 31 21:18:38 2007]  [notice]  Apache/2.2.3 (Ubuntu) PHP/5.2.1 configured -- resuming normal operations
[04:19] <gecko89> i did it the /etc/init.d way
[04:19] <ajmitch> which should be equivalent
[04:20] <hads> Yeah, just making sure that you did a full restart
[04:20] <hads> (not a reload or something)
[04:20] <gecko89> just how you wrote it
[04:20] <hads> Well I'm out of ideas.
[04:20] <ajmitch> hads: which is why I called for ideas :)
[04:21] <gecko89> i haven't actually restarted the PC, but honestly that shouldn't be needed on linux, right?
[04:21] <ajmitch> certainly not
[04:22] <gecko89> two pieces of software made to go together, won't go together
[04:26] <ibeardslee> I have the full path in the link if that would make a difference?
[04:27] <ibeardslee> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   37 2006-12-20 21:13 php5.load -> /etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.load
[04:27] <ajmitch> shouldn't matter, works fine for me with a relative symlink
[04:28] <gecko89> that's the exact same filepath and even filename i've got
[04:29] <gecko89> the apache portion of the server works fine, its just the php isn't taking
[04:30] <ibeardslee> it's just returning source of the php file?
[04:31] <gecko89> right
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[04:31] <gecko89> <?php phpinfo();
[04:31] <gecko89> ?>
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[04:33] <gecko89> well gentlemen, looks like i might have to tackle this another time
[04:33] <gecko89> thank you for all your help
[04:34] <ajmitch> alright, sorry it's not working yet
[04:34] <gecko89> oh, i probably made a stupid mistake somewhere along the line... i'll go over the steps again later
[04:34] <gecko89> thank you again though
[04:34] <ibeardslee> does it work from the command line?
[04:34] <ibeardslee> shit
[04:35] <ibeardslee> I mean too late
[04:36] <ajmitch> ah well
[04:38] <fujin_> I'm tryign to find libgd for PHP in the latest Feisty server. I cannot seem to locate it, there isn't a libgd-php
[04:38] <fujin_> any idea what I need to install to have gd functionality?
[04:39] <fujin_> nevermind
[04:39] <fujin_> I'm a retard, lol
[04:41] <pc_> Hello could someone help me with xserver problem?
[04:42] <pc_> HEY CAn SOMEONE HELP ME ?
[04:42] <ibeardslee> maybe, not if you shout though.  what is your xserver problem?
[04:43] <pc_> okay when i type startx, it brings up something about FreeFontPath, and /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc refcount is 2 should be 1, fixin. Then stops x.
[04:45] <pc_> any ideas?
[04:46] <ibeardslee> the first though that goes through my mind is that the config is wrong and has too many lines in it
[04:46] <ibeardslee> about the fonts
[04:46] <pc_> well i went through dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:47] <ibeardslee> have a look at  /etc/X11/xorg.conf 
[04:48] <pc_> already did looks fine
[04:48] <ibeardslee> see if it has /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc in there twice
[04:48] <pc_> okay be right back
[04:48] <pc_> in this through irssi
[04:48] <pc_> so be right back
[04:54] <pc_> hey I tried that and it didn't fix it ibeardslee
[04:55] <ibeardslee> you are aware that you can use Ctrl+Alt+F1, Ctrl+Alt+F2 to get different consoles so you don't have to actuall exit?
[04:55] <pc_> nope didn't know that
[04:56] <pc_> sorry, I will do that
[04:56] <pc_> any other suggestions?
[04:56] <ibeardslee> it's a very handy trick to know
[04:56] <ibeardslee> sorry I am a wee bit stumped there
[04:56] <pc_> :*(
[04:56] <ibeardslee> was it ever working?
[04:56] <pc_> Nope
[04:57] <ibeardslee> oh
[04:57] <ibeardslee> what version?
[04:57] <pc_> Edgy
[04:58] <ibeardslee> found a couple of references to your error on google ...
[05:00] <pc_> any of them have solutions?
[05:00] <ibeardslee> someone suggested running
[05:00] <ibeardslee> fc-cache -f
[05:00] <ibeardslee> did you just do an upgrade?
[05:01] <pc_> no I did a fresh install
[05:01] <ajmitch> could be something like bad symlinks, edgy had some interesting things with the move to a more modular X
[05:01] <ajmitch> hm, a fresh install should never break like that
[05:01] <ajmitch> have you asked in #ubuntu? it's not really something serverish 
[05:01] <ibeardslee> I do actually vaguley recall having to change some permissions or something, but I thought that was a distupgrdae to feisty
[05:01] <pc_> fc-cache -f "fc-cache command not found"
[05:02] <ajmitch> did you do a server install, and are trying to get X working on top of that?
[05:02] <pc_> yes
[05:02] <ajmitch> installed xserver-xorg-core ?
[05:02] <pc_> yes
[05:02] <ajmitch> ok, so you probably have xfonts-base installed
[05:02] <pc_> I installed that yes
[05:04] <pc_> any ideas?
[05:04] <ajmitch> though it appears the new package to install is xorg, not sure about edgy
[05:07] <pc_> got a new error not something about error locking /home/pc/.Xauthority?
[05:07] <pc_> got a new error now something about error locking /home/pc/.Xauthority?
[05:09] <pc_> got a new error now something about error locking authority /home/pc/.Xauthority?
[05:09] <pc_> there that is the error, sorry had to switch back and forth
[05:11] <pc_> Anyone have any ideas on this new error?
[05:12] <ibeardslee> sorry
[05:15] <pc_> okay here is a question where does startx pull its information from? Like on what to start
[05:24] <ibeardslee> /etc/X11/xorg.conf and ~/.Xauthority
[05:24] <ibeardslee> I think that is all
[05:25] <ibeardslee> err maybe not
[05:42] <ribo> how do I get a proper serial console with upstart (god I miss inittab)
[05:43] <fujin_> does it not have an /etc/inittab file anymore?
[05:44] <ribo> no, upstart kills it
[05:44] <ribo> and upstart has no documentation on it
[05:45] <Pumpernickel> There's an upstart support channel - #upstart.
[05:46] <Pumpernickel> You may even catch a dev there.
[05:46] <ribo> cool, thanks
[06:01] <ribo> full of idlers, apparently, any ideas?
[06:02] <ajmitch> looks like there was a migration script from inittab which created them for upgrades
[06:04] <ajmitch> I presume you'll need a file /etc/event.d/ttyS0
[06:05] <ajmitch> something like /etc/event.d/tty1, except with the device name changed
[06:08] <ribo> hmm yea, would have been nice if upstart had some real docs before it completely replaced init in ubuntu :/
[10:02] <nrpil> hi there, i wonder where i can find more information about running ubuntu on my server
[10:15] <nrpil> maybe some page on www.ubuntulinux.org ?
[10:24] <shawarma> nrpil: What do you want to know?
[10:39] <ivoks> howdy
[10:43] <nrpil> hi shawarma, i want to create a production server for our company. so i want to use ldap with samba to join a active directory
[10:44] <ivoks> i don't see what ldap has to do with this?
[10:44] <ivoks> you want to connect samba as a client to AD?
[10:44] <ivoks> or you want samba to be AD PDC
[10:47] <ivoks> or you don't need help :)
[11:14] <mpathy> Hi there
[11:15] <mpathy> I want to update my server from dapper to feisty.. I installed a Postfix 2.3 there from a seperate .deb - when I update to feisty, will I have problems because of that? What common problems are possible in general from update over two releases?
[11:17] <ivoks> you should update to edgy first
[11:18] <ivoks> dapper -> feisty isn't supported
[11:25] <citybird> hi all. i am looking for a step by step guide to installing a mail gateway server using ubuntu. 
[11:26] <ivoks> install ubuntu-server, install postifx and add relayhost to postfix
[11:27] <citybird> thanks looking that up
[11:27] <citybird> i have part 1 and 2 done
[11:27] <ivoks> when you install OS, you can come here for help
[11:28] <ivoks> oh, you did already :)
[11:28] <citybird> yep
[11:28] <ivoks> open /etc/postfix/main.cf and add relayhost = your_ISP_MX
[11:29] <citybird> thought about doing it with gentoo but then thought better of it. I already deal with 2 gentoo web servers and dont want to expand that upgrade headache.
[11:30] <citybird> ivoks: this server only recieves email and forwards it to our exchange server. I will be adding clamav to it after i get that part working.
[11:30] <ivoks> ok then
[11:30] <ivoks> instead ISP_MX add exchange IP
[11:30] <citybird> kool
[11:31] <citybird> main.cf iis a short file
[11:31] <ivoks> next, add your domain to mydestination
[11:31] <mpathy> ivoks: So I have to dist-upgrade to edgy.. then restart.. then dist-upgrade to feisty.. then restart?
[11:32] <ivoks> mpathy: dist-update to edgy, then yo feisty, then restart cause of new kernel
[11:33] <ivoks> citybird: you also need clamav-daemon, clamav-freshclam and amavisd-new
[11:34] <ivoks> for content filtering
[11:34] <citybird> right. sorry, im slow. first i want to make sure this box is forwarding emails
[11:34] <ivoks> ok
[11:34] <ivoks> it's probably not yet :)
[11:35] <citybird> what is the syntax of the mydestination line? mydestenation = domainname.com
[11:36] <nrpil> ivoks: sorry, got called away from my computer
[11:36] <ivoks> citybird: just append your domain
[11:36] <ivoks> citybird: mydestination = localhost.localdomain, localhost.localdomain, localhost, your_domain
[11:40] <nrpil> ivoks: users are also going to use ssh to login to the machine
[11:40] <nrpil> ivoks: my idea was to use ldap for that
[11:41] <ivoks> so you want local users + domain users?
[11:41] <ivoks> or only domain users via AD?
[11:42] <nrpil> ivoks: i want to use the domain users as local user logins
[11:42] <ivoks> do you have AD already?
[11:42] <nrpil> yes
[11:42] <ivoks> you can auth ssh (and all other) users trough samba
[11:43] <ivoks> so, once you connect samba to AD/kerberos
[11:43] <ivoks> just set up pam to auth over samba
[11:44] <nrpil> oke
[11:44] <ivoks> so you don't need ldap :)
[11:44] <nrpil> ivoks: because ldap is a pain in the ass ?
[11:44] <ivoks> no, it's a additional service you don't need
[11:45] <ivoks> therefor one more service you need to watch over
[11:47] <citybird> ok ivoks, postfix now has mydest set up.
[11:49] <ivoks> ok
[11:49] <ivoks> now add
[11:49] <ivoks> transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport
[11:50] <ivoks> then open /etc/postfix/transport and add:
[11:50] <ivoks> @your_domain smtp:IP_of_exchange
[11:51] <ivoks> ups... without @
[11:53] <citybird> ivoks: ok
[11:54] <ivoks> citybird: restart postfix
[11:54] <citybird> done
[11:54] <ivoks> tail -f /var/log/mail.log and try sending a mail over it
[11:55] <citybird> now that is the interesting part
[11:55] <citybird> how do i send mail directly to a particular server.
[11:55] <ivoks> set up your client or telnet to port 25
[11:58] <citybird> on another machine i typed telnet ipaddress:25 and it gives me name or service not known
[11:59] <ivoks> telnet ip port
[11:59] <citybird> ah
[11:59] <citybird> got it
[11:59] <citybird> i forgot the commands 
[12:00] <ivoks> http://www.activexperts.com/activemail/telnet/
[12:03] <citybird> there is a problem... it's not responding 250 ok
[12:04] <ivoks> if you want, msg me an IP and i'll check it
[12:05] <ivoks> the ip :)
[12:05] <citybird> sorry, during testing phase the server is not givin an internet address
[12:05] <ivoks> HELP whatever
[12:05] <ivoks> MAIL FROM:<someone@dot.com>
[12:05] <ivoks> RCPT TO:<user@your_domain>
[12:05] <ivoks> DATA
[12:06] <ivoks> .
[12:06] <citybird> yea, i did that and there is never a response and after the . it just sits there.
[12:06] <ivoks> where does it fail to respond 250?
[12:06] <ivoks> check your mail.log
[12:06] <citybird> nothin
[12:07] <citybird> after the restart there are no messages
[12:07] <citybird> sec.
[12:08] <citybird> hmm
[12:08] <citybird> that tail thing aint scrolling
[12:08] <ivoks> tail -f
[12:08] <citybird> trying it again
[12:09] <citybird> ok here we go, that window timed out.
[12:10] <citybird> wow, lots of warnings
[12:10] <citybird> let me try again.
[12:12] <ivoks> i doubt warrning will go away just cause you're trying again :)
[12:12] <citybird> ok i wanted to see what warnings came when
[12:12] <citybird> connect is ok.
[12:12] <citybird> then this is what i get when i try mail from: webmaster@monitortools.com
[12:13] <citybird> Jun  1 13:06:23 viruswall2 postfix/trivial-rewrite[1834] : fatal: open database /etc/postfix/transport.db: No such file or directory
[12:13] <ivoks> doh
[12:13] <ivoks> postmap /etc/postfix/transport
[12:14] <citybird> ah
[12:14] <citybird> ok trying again.
[12:15] <citybird> woo hooo
[12:15] <citybird> ok now. Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table
[12:16] <ivoks> ok
[12:16] <ivoks> add this to main.cf:
[12:16] <citybird> how do i tell it to accept all mails directed to the domain. sorta like *@domain.com
[12:16] <ivoks> relay_domains = hash:/etc/postfix/relay_domains
[12:16] <ivoks> and in /etc/postfix/relay_domains:
[12:16] <ivoks> domain.com OK
[12:16] <ivoks> then postmap /etc/postfix/relay_domains
[12:17] <ivoks> restart postfix and try again
[12:17] <citybird> do i put that near relay host?
[12:17] <ivoks> it doesn't mather
[12:20] <citybird> ok did that but it still rejects
[12:21] <ivoks> could you paste your main.cf somewhere on pastebin?
[12:23] <citybird> ivoks: http://pastebin.ca/527512
[12:24] <ivoks> this is everything you have in it?
[12:24] <citybird> i left out some comments at the top
[12:25] <citybird> perhaps i should pull the version that comes with the source
[12:27] <ivoks> try with this: http://pastebin.ca/527515
[12:30] <citybird> that was much better
[12:30] <citybird> now we see if anything came through
[12:32] <citybird> dam it says connection timed out and i have to run for a lunch appointment.
[12:32] <citybird> some lady got 6000 spam emails 
[12:32] <citybird> ill be back later, thanks for your help
[12:32] <ivoks> timed out where?
[12:32] <citybird> sending to the exchange server.
[12:32] <ivoks> that's another problem
[12:33] <citybird> Jun  1 13:25:05 viruswall2 postfix/smtp[2262] : 057CD4B926: to=<jones@farner.ch>, relay=none, delay=61, delays=31/0.02/30/0, dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred (connect to 192.168.150.42[192.168.150.42] : Connection timed out)
[12:33] <ivoks> i guess your exchange doesn't like you
[12:33] <citybird> yea, i think it's the firewall settings.
[12:33] <citybird> ill check it from the serer on port 25 ;-)
[12:34] <citybird> yep, port 25 is blocked from the firewall. ill have that corrected.
[12:35] <ivoks> then just run postqueue -f
[12:36] <citybird> thanks again.
[12:36] <ivoks> np
[12:40] <nrpil> ivoks: you have some production servers running yourself ?
[12:41] <citybird> we have an old virus scan machine from m$ that has a yearly subscription that is abut to expire. i want to replace it with a free linux machine.
[12:42] <citybird> then retire that server and use the os licence on a new machine.
[12:42] <citybird> afk
[12:44] <ivoks> nrpil: with what?
[12:45] <ivoks> nrpil: i have lots of them, none with AD, it's crap :)
[12:52] <Stonekeeper> hi ivoks. Just to let you know, the server has been working great :) thanks again
[12:53] <ivoks> np
[12:53] <Stonekeeper> apparently the bug has been open for years, and ubuntu devs aren't sorting it out :(
[12:53] <ivoks> khm, khm... :)
[12:53] <Stonekeeper> it's not even assigned!
[12:53] <Stonekeeper> out of interest, do you know if canonical is developing a GUI admin tool for ubuntu server?
[12:54] <ivoks> ubuntu isn't just canonical
[12:54] <Stonekeeper> i know. however, that sounds like a story.
[12:54] <ivoks> afaik, shawarma is working on something...
[12:54] <ivoks> but he would know better
[12:54] <shawarma> hm?
[12:54] <Stonekeeper> i'd really like to contribute to that
[12:54] <ivoks> :)
[12:54] <shawarma> Which bug are we talking about?
[12:54] <Stonekeeper> (please tell me it's a python app!)
[12:55] <Stonekeeper> shawarma: the bug was for the DAC960 driver
[12:55] <Stonekeeper> I'll find it now
[12:55] <ivoks> shawarma: DAC960 modules isn't in initrd after install
[12:55] <shawarma> ivoks: Right.
[12:56] <Stonekeeper> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/31035
[12:56] <Stonekeeper> it was reported over a year ago
[12:57] <Stonekeeper> the fix has worked no problem so it's ok for me right now :) I was talking to ivoks about a GUI for ubuntu server though. He mentioned your name
[12:57] <shawarma> Right. It's going to be a web based application. 
[12:57] <Stonekeeper> python?
[12:57] <shawarma> Unfortunately, no, I think.
[12:57] <Stonekeeper> :(
[12:57] <Stonekeeper> major :(
[12:58] <shawarma> I would have wished for it to be python, but:
[12:58] <shawarma> www.ebox-platform.com  is in perl and it's just too complete to be ignored.
[12:58] <ivoks> i agree
[12:58] <shawarma> It's hard to justify building something new just to have it in another programming language.
[12:58] <Stonekeeper> sure
[12:59] <Stonekeeper> but think of the maintainability nightmare!
[12:59] <shawarma> I'll just have to get myself some protective goggles so my eyes won't start to bleed to badly from looking at perl code. :(
[12:59] <shawarma> Stonekeeper: Well, maintainability is not entirely that simle.
[12:59] <shawarma> Stonekeeper: Upstream is alive and well, which moves a huge chunk of the maintainability problems away from us.
[01:00] <Stonekeeper> right
[01:00] <Stonekeeper> i was thinking of a utility for users used to the win server 200X interface
[01:00] <shawarma> Stonekeeper: Also, teaching the software to be python is harder and more time-consuming than to teach me to be more of a perl wizard.
[01:01] <Stonekeeper> "teaching the software to be python" <- ?
[01:01] <shawarma> to be perfectly honest, I'm not terribly interested in looking like something else for no othper purpose that for it to look like something else.
[01:01] <Stonekeeper> sure
[01:01] <shawarma> "teaching the software to be python" == porting it to python.
[01:02] <Stonekeeper> i think the problem is, it's very easy to get windows admins. If the UI was the same, they could manage linux servers without retraining. It makes ubuntu server a viable option for places that think it's too much of a support risk.
[01:02] <Stonekeeper> I'll be working soon for a place like this
[01:04] <shawarma> if think that trying to obtain usability by looking like something else that some - *only* because of experience with it - find easy to use, is a failing strategy altogether.
[01:04] <shawarma> "I think"*
[01:04] <Stonekeeper> i agree
[01:05] <Stonekeeper> this isn't my thinking, but i understand where they are coming from
[01:05] <shawarma> You can obtain ease of use in two major ways:
[01:05] <shawarma> 1) Being easy
[01:05] <shawarma> 2) Look like something that your users are used to
[01:05] <shawarma> I aim for 1).
[01:05] <Stonekeeper> yeah. me too :D
[01:06] <Stonekeeper> there isn't currently a decent samba/ldap/user management gui though is there?
[01:16] <shawarma> I've just poked the kernel guys about including DAC960 into the default initramfs.
[01:17] <shawarma> They're all in Canada or USA, so they'll probably not respond just yet.
[01:27] <Stonekeeper> thanks shawarma
[01:28] <Stonekeeper> out of interest, is the initrd static and not based on your install preferences?
[01:28] <shawarma> Stonekeeper: It's already fixed, actually.
[01:28] <shawarma> Even in Edgy.
[01:29] <Stonekeeper> ah right, of scourse LTs is dapper :D
[01:29] <shawarma> I didn't notice anything about LTS. Sorry.
[01:30] <Stonekeeper> at least the next LTS will have 3rd party support option which will mean you could get this in initrd by stealth
[01:42] <baggito> hrm. has anyone here used easyspeedy.com hosting?
[02:06] <citybird> aww, ivoks left...
[02:11] <shawarma> baggito: I have.
[02:12] <shawarma> baggito: I used to be a satisfied customer, but over the last summer they had major network problems (which - truth be told - turned out to be their uplink's problem), but they never gave any reasons or any ideas of when you could expect things to work again. *Very* annoying.
[02:12] <shawarma> baggito: I'd recommend hetzner.de any day.
[02:13] <shawarma> baggito: Just make sure that you make it absolutely clear to them if you don't speak German.
[02:13] <shawarma> baggito: they're very professional and cheap.
[02:29] <fernando> moin all
[02:33] <baggito> hrm
[02:33] <baggito> cool. thanks shawarma 
[02:35] <baggito> hrm. they have no website in english
[02:37] <baggito> oh i see it
[02:38] <baggito> hrm. it's redhat
[02:42] <baggito> shawarma: they only have redhat?
[02:42] <baggito> hrm. how upgradable is redhat?
[02:46] <shawarma> No, they have Ubuntu, too.
[02:47] <baggito> oh nice
[02:47] <baggito> perfect
[03:16] <citybird> hey all, i got postfix up and running, it accepts mails and forwards them to the exchange server on our network. now how do you intergrate clamav?
[03:17] <shawarma> citybird: I usually use amavisd
[03:18] <shawarma> citybird: amavisd-new, that is
[03:18] <citybird> working on that now. cant find simple to follow instructions.
[03:18] <shawarma> citybird: /usr/share/doc/amavisd-new/README.postfix.gz
[03:18] <citybird> why does everything have to be so deep tech
[03:19] <shawarma> Because making user interfaces for that sort of thing is not particularly fun. :)
[03:20] <citybird> i keep getting  cannot open `/etc/mailname' for reading: No such file or directory
[03:23] <shawarma> Does it exist?
[03:26] <citybird> nope. i should put my domain name in it and nothing else
[03:30] <citybird> ok, it's going now.
[08:04] <Ali_ix> hi
[08:05] <Ali_ix> can in install glibc 2.4 or higher on a i386 dapper server?
[08:05] <Ali_ix> current glibc in dapper repositories is 2.35
[08:05] <Ali_ix> how can i install 2.4?
[08:18] <Gruelius> how do i force apt-get to use the internet, in tired of putting in my cd -.-
[08:25] <Panzer_> Gruelius: comment out the line in sources.list about the cd
[08:27] <Ali_ix> Gruelius: and then do an 'apt-get update'
[08:29] <Gruelius> cheers. And how can i set a static ip from the command line? i forget the simple things :(
[08:29] <Panzer_> change the interfaces file in /etc/networking
[08:30] <Gruelius> rightio
[08:32] <Gruelius> with ubuntu, if i apt-get something that is normally set to run at startup is it automatically added to bootup? or do i need to add it to rc-update
[08:47] <leonel> normally gets  configured 
[08:49] <Gruelius> sweet, im liking this over gentoo allready :D when i grabbed cupsys* i thought great a big compiling time to wait, was done in a tic :D
[12:03] <r00tintheb0x> =)