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| cliebow_ | anyone know why we opted for x11vnc for tcm? | 01:09 |
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| Burgundavia | talk to cbx33 | 01:10 |
| LaserJock | x11vnc as opposed to ? | 01:11 |
| crimsun | freenx or something else? | 01:11 |
| crimsun | or maybe clairvoyance? | 01:12 |
| crimsun | (sp) | 01:12 |
| LaserJock | well, freenx would be kinda overkill wouldn't it? | 01:12 |
| crimsun | I don't know the requirements, so I have no idea whether it would be. | 01:13 |
| cliebow_ | i kind a thought he was using swf2something | 01:13 |
| LaserJock | x11vnc attaches to an existing X | 01:13 |
| cliebow_ | LaserJock, i use it all the time in 4.2 | 01:13 |
| cliebow_ | vnc2swf | 01:13 |
| LaserJock | well, it might be used eventually, I don't know | 01:14 |
| cliebow_ | im trying to help paablo get tcm running..over in #ltsp | 01:14 |
| cliebow_ | but x11vnc doenst show as pkg in the chroot | 01:15 |
| Burgundavia | swf is non-free | 01:16 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I guess that might be difficult in our default install | 01:16 |
| cliebow_ | how would i know what repo the pkg would be in? | 01:17 |
| cliebow_ | x11vnc that is | 01:17 |
| LaserJock | Universe | 01:17 |
| cliebow_ | thanks! ill pass that on | 01:17 |
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| LaserJock | bah | 03:10 |
| LaserJock | my laptop keeps freezing on me | 03:10 |
| cliebow_ | bah! | 03:13 |
| Burgundavia | it might be network manager | 03:14 |
| Burgundavia | mine does that and also doesn't bring the LCD up when I open the screen | 03:14 |
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| LaserJock | Burgundavia: it just freezes up? no mouse activity or anything? | 03:17 |
| fxch | ? | 03:23 |
| LaserJock | fxch: just discussing why my laptop freezes sometimes | 03:24 |
| fxch | Can you tell us the detail, maybe someone can help you | 03:27 |
| LaserJock | well, Burgundavia suggested that maybe it was network manager | 03:27 |
| LaserJock | it just hard freezes every once in a while | 03:27 |
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| fxch | is cpu busy? | 03:28 |
| LaserJock | I think perhaps | 03:29 |
| LaserJock | it gets pretty hot | 03:29 |
| LaserJock | but I can't ssh in or anything | 03:29 |
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| LaserJock | must have been too much for him ;-) | 03:36 |
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| mindslant | When I run edubuntu feisty from live cd I have all the regular programs. When I load it onto dell desktops, most of the education programs are missing. In the package manager calls up the program it says my i386 archictecture isn't suported | 05:46 |
| LaserJock | mindslant: The LiveCD doesn't install the educational apps unfortunately | 05:47 |
| LaserJock | we had a bug in the Feisty LiveCD | 05:47 |
| LaserJock | you can get the educational apps from the Classroom Server Add-on CD | 05:47 |
| mindslant | Great, there's a simple solution. thx | 05:48 |
| mindslant | Why won't adept or synaptic load them? | 05:48 |
| LaserJock | Well, that would work too | 05:49 |
| mindslant | Not when I've tried | 05:49 |
| LaserJock | but you'd need to download them from the internet | 05:49 |
| mindslant | not the repositories? | 05:49 |
| LaserJock | yes, they are in the repositories | 05:49 |
| LaserJock | what did you try specifically? | 05:49 |
| mindslant | gcompris and the potato man (my daughters fave) | 05:50 |
| LaserJock | ok, so you opened up synaptic? | 05:50 |
| mindslant | I opened up add/remove programs. I'm not sure if it's default synaptic or adept | 05:51 |
| LaserJock | ah | 05:51 |
| LaserJock | neither actually | 05:51 |
| LaserJock | the program is gnome-app-install | 05:51 |
| LaserJock | and then you selected gcompris? | 05:51 |
| mindslant | okay | 05:51 |
| mindslant | yes sir | 05:51 |
| mindslant | Do I need to sudo in a terminal | 05:52 |
| LaserJock | you shouldn't | 05:52 |
| LaserJock | I'm repeating what you're doing, so I can see what's going on | 05:53 |
| mindslant | appreciate it | 05:53 |
| LaserJock | ok, so I got potato guy and gcompris selected | 05:53 |
| LaserJock | now I'm gonna hit the OK button, is that what you did? | 05:53 |
| mindslant | says my architecture (i386) is not supported | 05:53 |
| mindslant | I can't even select them | 05:53 |
| LaserJock | oh, how odd | 05:53 |
| mindslant | GCompris Administration cannot be installed on your computer type (i386). Either the application requires special hardware features or the vendor decided to not support your computer type. | 05:54 |
| mindslant | 6.06 let me | 05:54 |
| LaserJock | yikes, that's not right at all | 05:54 |
| LaserJock | ok, can you open up a terminal for me? | 05:54 |
| mindslant | Finally, I'm not asking a noob type problem. sure can | 05:54 |
| mindslant | it's up | 05:55 |
| LaserJock | ok, can you pastebin the contents of /usr/apt/sources.list ? | 05:55 |
| LaserJock | !paste | 05:55 |
| ubotu | pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) | 05:55 |
| mindslant | pastebin is new | 05:56 |
| mindslant | to me | 05:56 |
| mindslant | one sec | 05:56 |
| LaserJock | it's much nicer than pasting everything into here | 05:56 |
| mindslant | In the terminal I'm trying to cd to /usr/apt/sources.list...no go | 05:58 |
| mindslant | is !paste a command for the terminal | 05:58 |
| mindslant | ? | 05:58 |
| LaserJock | just do less /usr/apt/sources.list | 05:58 |
| mindslant | I'm still learning to convert from old dos commands to linux commands | 05:58 |
| LaserJock | then put what you get in http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org and give me the URL when you submit it | 05:59 |
| LaserJock | it's like a whiteboard for people to toss up notes and things | 05:59 |
| mindslant | Super neat idea | 05:59 |
| mindslant | No such file. Sorry I'm being such a slow learner here. Is 'less' a command? I cd'd to /usr and did ls, didn't see an apt sub-directory | 06:00 |
| LaserJock | ok, try this: | 06:01 |
| LaserJock | cd /etc/apt/ | 06:01 |
| LaserJock | less sources.list | 06:01 |
| LaserJock | it was my mistake with /usr | 06:01 |
| LaserJock | it should be /etc, sorry | 06:01 |
| mindslant | Yep, lots of stuff came up | 06:01 |
| mindslant | did the paste bin | 06:03 |
| LaserJock | ok, so what is the URL? | 06:04 |
| mindslant | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23680/ | 06:04 |
| LaserJock | so is that all that was in that file? | 06:05 |
| LaserJock | you might have needed to scroll down a bit | 06:05 |
| mindslant | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23681/ | 06:06 |
| mindslant | there was some more, I don't know how useful it will be | 06:06 |
| LaserJock | I don't think it will be | 06:07 |
| LaserJock | did any of the lines start with "deb" | 06:07 |
| LaserJock | without a "#" in front? | 06:07 |
| mindslant | deb cdrom:[Edubuntu 7.04 _Feisty Fawn_ - Release i386 Binary-1 (20070415)] / feisty main restricted | 06:08 |
| LaserJock | and that's the only one? | 06:08 |
| mindslant | this came up when i did cd /etc/apt...less sources.list | 06:08 |
| mindslant | yes sir, that's the only one | 06:08 |
| LaserJock | ok, we're doing good now | 06:08 |
| mindslant | good news | 06:09 |
| LaserJock | now, is this a pretty new installation? | 06:09 |
| LaserJock | have you done much of anything since installing? | 06:09 |
| mindslant | It's a pretty unused installation so far | 06:09 |
| mindslant | no | 06:09 |
| LaserJock | ok, well I'm going to have to go figure out if this is a bug | 06:09 |
| mindslant | I get this problem on all the dells at my school and a different model at home | 06:10 |
| LaserJock | but first let's fix it | 06:10 |
| LaserJock | hmm, if you want to install Edubuntu I'd really recommend using the Classroom Server CD | 06:10 |
| LaserJock | you can do the Workstation option it has if you don't want all the LTSP Server stuff | 06:10 |
| mindslant | finally I'm doing more than evangelizing for the community, I'm bug hunting. Right now I need to give a demo to the school, then if they like it distribute it | 06:10 |
| LaserJock | ok, so lets fix this for you | 06:11 |
| mindslant | thank you so much | 06:11 |
| LaserJock | ok, so go to System -> Administration -> Software Sources | 06:12 |
| mindslant | I'm there | 06:12 |
| LaserJock | ok, you want to click the first 3 check boxes | 06:13 |
| LaserJock | for main, universe, and restricted | 06:13 |
| LaserJock | go them checked? | 06:14 |
| mindslant | yes | 06:14 |
| LaserJock | and you can do the Download From: | 06:14 |
| mindslant | yes | 06:15 |
| LaserJock | ok, no go to the Updates tab | 06:15 |
| LaserJock | *now | 06:15 |
| LaserJock | and check the first 2 | 06:15 |
| mindslant | ok, did I need to do anything with "Download From:" or was that just a test? | 06:16 |
| mindslant | done | 06:16 |
| LaserJock | in Download From: you should see Main Server and a local mirror | 06:16 |
| LaserJock | you probably wan the local mirror | 06:16 |
| mindslant | main server and server from US | 06:16 |
| LaserJock | US is usually pretty good | 06:17 |
| mindslant | done | 06:17 |
| mindslant | (not at world politics) | 06:17 |
| LaserJock | ok, so now you can hit the "Close" button | 06:17 |
| mindslant | it asked me to reload and is now downloading changes | 06:18 |
| LaserJock | yep, good | 06:18 |
| mindslant | looks like it's going to be doing that for another 10 minutes | 06:18 |
| LaserJock | are you on dialup? | 06:19 |
| mindslant | no | 06:19 |
| mindslant | down to 3 minutes | 06:19 |
| LaserJock | ah | 06:19 |
| mindslant | it's confused | 06:19 |
| LaserJock | maybe it just needed a minute to warm up ;-) | 06:19 |
| LaserJock | while it's doing that | 06:20 |
| LaserJock | you said it's happened on several machines? | 06:20 |
| mindslant | I have a software update available in the menu bar | 06:20 |
| LaserJock | on all the ones you've tried? | 06:20 |
| mindslant | Two types of dell desktops | 06:20 |
| LaserJock | yeah, you'll probably have quite a few updates | 06:20 |
| mindslant | Older ones from a couple of years or more ago | 06:21 |
| LaserJock | ok, so once the reloading is done | 06:23 |
| LaserJock | you should be back to Add/Remove and it should work | 06:23 |
| mindslant | ok, I'll test it once all the other updates are done | 06:23 |
| mindslant | ...in 4 hrs | 06:25 |
| LaserJock | blah | 06:25 |
| mindslant | this time I don't think it's confues | 06:25 |
| mindslant | *confused | 06:25 |
| mindslant | 4321 B/s download | 06:25 |
| LaserJock | yucky | 06:26 |
| LaserJock | sometimes if you get a bad US server you can restart it | 06:26 |
| mindslant | just cancel and go again, or do I need to manually pick a different server first? | 06:27 |
| LaserJock | the US server is actually a bunch of servers so sometimes it gives you a slow one | 06:27 |
| mindslant | now it says 48 minutes | 06:27 |
| LaserJock | well, I can't find a bug report for this issue | 06:29 |
| mindslant | now 9 min. I'm glad I'm helping | 06:29 |
| LaserJock | I'll have to try a Desktop CD to see if I can reproduce it | 06:30 |
| LaserJock | what happened is when you installed from the Desktop CD it didn't put in the repositories | 06:30 |
| LaserJock | so it was just lookin on the CD, which doesn't actually have any packages in it | 06:30 |
| mindslant | ok | 06:31 |
| mindslant | I understand. | 06:31 |
| LaserJock | heah, you want to file the bug? | 06:32 |
| mindslant | all my install disks (which I checked for defects) came from the same downloaded image. Maybe I just got a bad one. | 06:32 |
| LaserJock | well, it's possible I suppose | 06:32 |
| mindslant | Uh...you could put my name there but I'd probably not give enough/right information for the report to be amazingly helpful | 06:32 |
| mindslant | unless it's a hassle for you | 06:33 |
| LaserJock | mindslant: nah, I'll walk you through it | 06:33 |
| LaserJock | then you'll know how | 06:33 |
| mindslant | ubuntu bugs area? | 06:33 |
| mindslant | big red "report a bug" button | 06:33 |
| LaserJock | Ubuntu uses Launchpad for most all development | 06:34 |
| LaserJock | it does translations, bug tracking, etc. | 06:34 |
| LaserJock | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/ | 06:34 |
| LaserJock | so there you can hit the red "Report a Bug" button | 06:35 |
| mindslant | I'm logged in and I have a prompt | 06:35 |
| LaserJock | ok, so you're at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug ? | 06:36 |
| mindslant | One line summary: Desktop installation fails to install all repositories | 06:36 |
| mindslant | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug?redirection_url=https%3A%2F%2Flaunchpad.net%2Fubuntu%2F%2Bfilebug | 06:36 |
| LaserJock | ok, let's put Edubuntu Feisty Desktop CD installation fails to install all repositories | 06:36 |
| mindslant | doen | 06:36 |
| mindslant | done | 06:36 |
| LaserJock | ok, next page | 06:37 |
| mindslant | not today " | 06:37 |
| mindslant | Launchpad is offline at the moment for maintenance. It should be back, better than ever, soon. Thanks for your patience. " | 06:37 |
| mindslant | let me reload | 06:37 |
| LaserJock | bah | 06:37 |
| mindslant | I"m Irish, you'd think I'd have more luck | 06:38 |
| LaserJock | should be back | 06:38 |
| LaserJock | heh | 06:38 |
| mindslant | I got the next page | 06:38 |
| LaserJock | ok, so just give a little account of what happens | 06:39 |
| mindslant | ok | 06:40 |
| LaserJock | when you get it done let me know what the bug number is | 06:45 |
| mindslant | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/118334 | 06:46 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 118334 in Ubuntu "Edubuntu Feisty Desktop CD installation fails to install all repositories" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 06:46 |
| mindslant | Did you notice on the main bug page the number one bug (critical and in progress) is MIcrosoft has too much market share. I don't know if that's always there but it's hilarious | 06:47 |
| LaserJock | it was bug #1 | 06:47 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 | 06:47 |
| mindslant | I have always loved linux humor | 06:48 |
| LaserJock | Mark Shuttleworth filed that for the very first bug in Launchpad | 06:48 |
| mindslant | Love Mr. Shuttleworth | 06:49 |
| LaserJock | ok, I'm gonna clean you're bug up a bit | 06:49 |
| mindslant | I'm sure it could use it | 06:49 |
| LaserJock | mindslant: nah, it wasn't bad | 06:51 |
| mindslant | thx | 06:51 |
| LaserJock | I just made it so the bug was filed against ubiquity | 06:52 |
| LaserJock | which is the DesktopCD installer | 06:52 |
| LaserJock | and I'm subscribing the Edubuntu Bugsquad | 06:52 |
| mindslant | ok | 06:53 |
| LaserJock | mindslant: ok, sir. I've held you up long enough ;-) | 06:53 |
| LaserJock | thanks for reporting the problem | 06:53 |
| mindslant | Me? I look forward to the day I can help others | 06:54 |
| mindslant | Thank you for all the help | 06:54 |
| LaserJock | well, that's what we're here for | 06:54 |
| LaserJock | we volunteer our time because somebody helped us too :-) | 06:54 |
| mindslant | I get lucky enough that I always find a quiet room and one really devoted volunteer | 06:54 |
| LaserJock | hehe | 06:55 |
| LaserJock | Irish Luck? :-) | 06:55 |
| mindslant | It's not a super power you can call on, kicks in whenever | 06:55 |
| LaserJock | well, I'm downloading the Desktop CD .iso now | 06:56 |
| LaserJock | it's getting late so I'll probably try to give it a go tomorrow | 06:57 |
| mindslant | Okay, want my e-mail in case there's more specifics I can give later? | 06:57 |
| LaserJock | actually, I've got it in Launchpad | 06:58 |
| LaserJock | unless you've got a better one | 06:58 |
| LaserJock | you're subscribed to the bug now so when anything happens with it you'll get an email | 06:58 |
| mindslant | okay, I'll keep an eye out. I'm thinking it's either my specific download was bad or it's just this era dell | 06:59 |
| LaserJock | well, there shouldn't be any issue with hardware | 06:59 |
| LaserJock | we've had a bugger of a time with our Feisty Desktop CD | 06:59 |
| LaserJock | we really don't use it much and it's not our recommended installtion method | 07:00 |
| LaserJock | we went to two CD for Feisty | 07:00 |
| LaserJock | to get more education apps and still keep all the Ubuntu stuff | 07:01 |
| LaserJock | but that caused some problems with the Desktop CD | 07:01 |
| mindslant | what is the significant advantage of the Classroom Server CD | 07:01 |
| LaserJock | well | 07:02 |
| LaserJock | you can use it to install an LTSP Server | 07:02 |
| LaserJock | which is what a lot of Edubuntu users in schools, etc. want | 07:02 |
| LaserJock | you can also install the Workstation (which is like a normal desktop) | 07:02 |
| LaserJock | it's a text-based installer so it's not as shiny as the DesktopCD | 07:03 |
| LaserJock | but it's fast to install and more flexible | 07:03 |
| mindslant | That's the thin client right? I'm just worried that the 256 ram box we got donated would run well as a thick client to 20-30 computers | 07:03 |
| mindslant | *would not run | 07:03 |
| mindslant | *Thick Server | 07:03 |
| LaserJock | no, but with 256MB of Ram a Workstation off the Classroom Server CD would be the fastest/best install | 07:04 |
| mindslant | what are the recommended basics for the server of the thin client network | 07:04 |
| LaserJock | I've got to get to bed | 07:05 |
| mindslant | no problem, thanks for everything | 07:05 |
| LaserJock | but I'll leave you with a doc that should give you some answers ;-) | 07:05 |
| LaserJock | http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C | 07:05 |
| mindslant | Thank you so much. Go to bed. | 07:05 |
| LaserJock | have a good night | 07:05 |
| LaserJock | and thanks for dropping by | 07:05 |
| LaserJock | good luck ;-) | 07:05 |
| mindslant | : - D | 07:05 |
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| pygi | hi folks | 03:53 |
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| mindslant | Howdy | 04:40 |
| pygi | hi mindslant :) | 04:42 |
| mindslant | somebody is here. | 04:42 |
| mindslant | I got a problem I was getting some help with last night. | 04:42 |
| mindslant | It's listed as Bug #118834. Once I install edubuntu 7.04 onto somewhat older dells, non of the educational programs are available...any ideas? | 04:43 |
| mindslant | Nevermind, it just started working | 04:44 |
| mindslant | maybe | 04:44 |
| pygi | :P | 04:57 |
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| FunnyLookinHat | Hey... if when I first setup the thin-client server I couldn't correctly configure it because I only had one NIC, how can I start the config process again? | 06:58 |
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| LaserJock | Good morning Edubuntu land! | 08:00 |
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| cottima | Hello, has anyone used LTSP? | 08:08 |
| LaserJock | do you have a specific question? | 08:09 |
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| LaserJock | oh my gosh! | 11:31 |
| Burgundavia | hmm? | 11:31 |
| LaserJock | I just had my first LTSP session | 11:32 |
| LaserJock | in vmware | 11:32 |
| LaserJock | but still | 11:32 |
| LaserJock | first time I've ever booted up a thin client \o/ | 11:32 |
| stgraber | LaserJock: oh :) | 11:34 |
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| Burgundavia | heh | 11:35 |
| stgraber | vmware is really a good software for that kind of stuff, here I'm working on an install for a school I'll do in a month or so, I've : a win2003 domain server with a copy of their AD schema, an edubuntu server, 2 thin clients | 11:35 |
| stgraber | (I'm working on using the Win2003 server to auth users without having to join the Windows Domain or extend the LDAP schema with the Unix things) | 11:36 |
| stgraber | so basically checking for the validity of the user informations, retrieve the Full name and the primary Groups from LDAP and then create a local account | 11:36 |
| stgraber | just great to be able to test all of this on my laptop everywhere I want without having to take 3 computers with me :) | 11:37 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 11:37 |
| stgraber | btw, I saw somewhere that some meta packages would be done to easily install education packages for a specific schools type, for example edubuntu-secondary or things like that, is there a list of the packages that would be included in those meta ? (I'd like to have a list of potential packages for a secondary school) | 11:40 |
| LaserJock | stgraber: hehe | 11:41 |
| LaserJock | not yet | 11:41 |
| LaserJock | because I haven't created the packages | 11:41 |
| LaserJock | ;-) | 11:41 |
| LaserJock | to start with it'll mostly be science packages I'm guessing | 11:42 |
| LaserJock | since they are fairly prevalent | 11:42 |
| LaserJock | stgraber: hopefully soonish I'll have a reasonable draft of the package lists | 11:51 |
| stgraber | oh, good thing | 11:56 |
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