[01:09] <cliebow_> anyone know why we opted for x11vnc for tcm?
[01:10] <Burgundavia> talk to cbx33
[01:11] <LaserJock> x11vnc as opposed to ?
[01:11] <crimsun> freenx or something else?
[01:12] <crimsun> or maybe clairvoyance?
[01:12] <crimsun> (sp)
[01:12] <LaserJock> well, freenx would be kinda overkill wouldn't it?
[01:13] <crimsun> I don't know the requirements, so I have no idea whether it would be.
[01:13] <cliebow_> i kind a thought he was using swf2something
[01:13] <LaserJock> x11vnc attaches to an existing X
[01:13] <cliebow_> LaserJock, i use it all the time in 4.2
[01:13] <cliebow_> vnc2swf
[01:14] <LaserJock> well, it might be used eventually, I don't know
[01:14] <cliebow_> im trying to help paablo get tcm running..over in #ltsp
[01:15] <cliebow_> but x11vnc doenst show as pkg in the chroot
[01:16] <Burgundavia> swf is non-free
[01:16] <LaserJock> yeah, I guess that might be difficult in our default install
[01:17] <cliebow_> how would i know what repo the pkg would be in?
[01:17] <cliebow_> x11vnc that is
[01:17] <LaserJock> Universe
[01:17] <cliebow_> thanks! ill pass that on
[03:10] <LaserJock> bah
[03:10] <LaserJock> my laptop keeps freezing on me
[03:13] <cliebow_> bah!
[03:14] <Burgundavia> it might be network manager
[03:14] <Burgundavia> mine does that and also doesn't bring the LCD up when I open the screen
[03:17] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: it just freezes up? no mouse activity or anything?
[03:23] <fxch> ?
[03:24] <LaserJock> fxch: just discussing why my laptop freezes sometimes
[03:27] <fxch> Can you tell us the detail, maybe someone can help you
[03:27] <LaserJock> well, Burgundavia suggested that maybe it was network manager
[03:27] <LaserJock> it just hard freezes every once in a while
[03:28] <fxch> is cpu busy?
[03:29] <LaserJock> I think perhaps
[03:29] <LaserJock> it gets pretty hot
[03:29] <LaserJock> but I can't ssh in or anything
[03:36] <LaserJock> must have been too much for him ;-)
[05:46] <mindslant> When I run edubuntu feisty from live cd I have all the regular programs.  When I load it onto dell desktops, most of the education programs are missing.  In the package manager calls up the program it says my i386 archictecture isn't suported
[05:47] <LaserJock> mindslant: The LiveCD doesn't install the educational apps unfortunately
[05:47] <LaserJock> we had a bug in the Feisty LiveCD
[05:47] <LaserJock> you can get the educational apps from the Classroom Server Add-on CD
[05:48] <mindslant> Great, there's a simple solution. thx
[05:48] <mindslant> Why won't adept or synaptic load them?
[05:49] <LaserJock> Well, that would work too
[05:49] <mindslant> Not when I've tried
[05:49] <LaserJock> but you'd need to download them from the internet
[05:49] <mindslant> not the repositories?
[05:49] <LaserJock> yes, they are in the repositories
[05:49] <LaserJock> what did you try specifically?
[05:50] <mindslant> gcompris and the potato man (my daughters fave)
[05:50] <LaserJock> ok, so you opened up synaptic?
[05:51] <mindslant> I opened up add/remove programs.  I'm not sure if it's default synaptic or adept
[05:51] <LaserJock> ah
[05:51] <LaserJock> neither actually
[05:51] <LaserJock> the program is gnome-app-install
[05:51] <LaserJock> and then you selected gcompris?
[05:51] <mindslant> okay
[05:51] <mindslant> yes sir
[05:52] <mindslant> Do I need to sudo in a terminal
[05:52] <LaserJock> you shouldn't
[05:53] <LaserJock> I'm repeating what you're doing, so I can see what's going on
[05:53] <mindslant> appreciate it
[05:53] <LaserJock> ok, so I got potato guy and gcompris selected
[05:53] <LaserJock> now I'm gonna hit the OK button, is that what you did?
[05:53] <mindslant> says my architecture (i386) is not supported
[05:53] <mindslant> I can't even select them
[05:53] <LaserJock> oh, how odd
[05:54] <mindslant> GCompris Administration cannot be installed on your computer type (i386). Either the application requires special hardware features or the vendor decided to not support your computer type.
[05:54] <mindslant> 6.06 let me
[05:54] <LaserJock> yikes, that's not right at all
[05:54] <LaserJock> ok, can you open up a terminal for me?
[05:54] <mindslant> Finally, I'm not asking a noob type problem.  sure can
[05:55] <mindslant> it's up
[05:55] <LaserJock> ok, can you pastebin the contents of /usr/apt/sources.list ?
[05:55] <LaserJock> !paste
[05:55] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:56] <mindslant> pastebin is new
[05:56] <mindslant> to me
[05:56] <mindslant> one sec
[05:56] <LaserJock> it's much nicer than pasting everything into here
[05:58] <mindslant> In the terminal I'm trying to cd to /usr/apt/sources.list...no go
[05:58] <mindslant> is !paste a command for the terminal
[05:58] <mindslant> ?
[05:58] <LaserJock> just do less /usr/apt/sources.list
[05:58] <mindslant> I'm still learning to convert from old dos commands to linux commands
[05:59] <LaserJock> then put what you get in http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org and give me the URL when you submit it
[05:59] <LaserJock> it's like a whiteboard for people to toss up notes and things
[05:59] <mindslant> Super neat idea
[06:00] <mindslant> No such file.  Sorry I'm being such a slow learner here.  Is 'less' a command?  I cd'd to /usr and did ls, didn't see an apt sub-directory
[06:01] <LaserJock> ok, try this:
[06:01] <LaserJock> cd /etc/apt/
[06:01] <LaserJock> less sources.list
[06:01] <LaserJock> it was my mistake with /usr
[06:01] <LaserJock> it should be /etc, sorry
[06:01] <mindslant> Yep, lots of stuff came up
[06:03] <mindslant> did the paste bin
[06:04] <LaserJock> ok, so what is the URL?
[06:04] <mindslant> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23680/
[06:05] <LaserJock> so is that all that was in that file?
[06:05] <LaserJock> you might have needed to scroll down a bit
[06:06] <mindslant> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23681/
[06:06] <mindslant> there was some more, I don't know how useful it will be
[06:07] <LaserJock> I don't think it will be
[06:07] <LaserJock> did any of the lines start with "deb"
[06:07] <LaserJock> without a "#" in front?
[06:08] <mindslant> deb cdrom:[Edubuntu 7.04 _Feisty Fawn_ - Release i386 Binary-1 (20070415)] / feisty main restricted
[06:08] <LaserJock> and that's the only one?
[06:08] <mindslant> this came up when i did cd /etc/apt...less sources.list
[06:08] <mindslant> yes sir, that's the only one
[06:08] <LaserJock> ok, we're doing good now
[06:09] <mindslant> good news
[06:09] <LaserJock> now, is this a pretty new installation?
[06:09] <LaserJock> have you done much of anything since installing?
[06:09] <mindslant> It's a pretty unused installation so far
[06:09] <mindslant> no
[06:09] <LaserJock> ok, well I'm going to have to go figure out if this is a bug
[06:10] <mindslant> I get this problem on all the dells at my school and a different model at home
[06:10] <LaserJock> but first let's fix it
[06:10] <LaserJock> hmm, if you want to install Edubuntu I'd really recommend using the Classroom Server CD
[06:10] <LaserJock> you can do the Workstation option it has if you don't want all the LTSP Server stuff
[06:10] <mindslant> finally I'm doing more than evangelizing for the community, I'm bug hunting.  Right now I need to give a demo to the school, then if they like it distribute it
[06:11] <LaserJock> ok, so lets fix this for you
[06:11] <mindslant> thank you so much
[06:12] <LaserJock> ok, so go to System -> Administration -> Software Sources
[06:12] <mindslant> I'm there
[06:13] <LaserJock> ok, you want to click the first 3 check boxes
[06:13] <LaserJock> for main, universe, and restricted
[06:14] <LaserJock> go them checked?
[06:14] <mindslant> yes
[06:14] <LaserJock> and you can do the Download From:
[06:15] <mindslant> yes
[06:15] <LaserJock> ok, no go to the Updates tab
[06:15] <LaserJock> *now
[06:15] <LaserJock> and check the first 2
[06:16] <mindslant> ok, did I need to do anything with "Download From:" or was that just a test?
[06:16] <mindslant> done
[06:16] <LaserJock> in Download From: you should see Main Server and a local mirror
[06:16] <LaserJock> you probably wan the local mirror
[06:16] <mindslant> main server and server from US
[06:17] <LaserJock> US is usually pretty good
[06:17] <mindslant> done
[06:17] <mindslant> (not at world politics)
[06:17] <LaserJock> ok, so now you can hit the "Close" button
[06:18] <mindslant> it asked me to reload and is now downloading changes
[06:18] <LaserJock> yep, good
[06:18] <mindslant> looks like it's going to be doing that for another 10 minutes
[06:19] <LaserJock> are you on dialup?
[06:19] <mindslant> no
[06:19] <mindslant> down to 3 minutes
[06:19] <LaserJock> ah
[06:19] <mindslant> it's confused
[06:19] <LaserJock> maybe it just needed a minute to warm up ;-)
[06:20] <LaserJock> while it's doing that
[06:20] <LaserJock> you said it's happened on several machines?
[06:20] <mindslant> I have a software update available in the menu bar
[06:20] <LaserJock> on all the ones you've tried?
[06:20] <mindslant> Two types of dell desktops
[06:20] <LaserJock> yeah, you'll probably have quite a few updates
[06:21] <mindslant> Older ones from a couple of years or more ago
[06:23] <LaserJock> ok, so once the reloading is done
[06:23] <LaserJock> you should be back to Add/Remove and it should work
[06:23] <mindslant> ok, I'll test it once all the other updates are done
[06:25] <mindslant> ...in 4 hrs
[06:25] <LaserJock> blah
[06:25] <mindslant> this time I don't think it's confues
[06:25] <mindslant> *confused
[06:25] <mindslant> 4321 B/s download
[06:26] <LaserJock> yucky
[06:26] <LaserJock> sometimes if you get a bad US server you can restart it
[06:27] <mindslant> just cancel and go again, or do I need to manually pick a different server first?
[06:27] <LaserJock> the US server is actually a bunch of servers so sometimes it gives you a slow one
[06:27] <mindslant> now it says 48 minutes
[06:29] <LaserJock> well, I can't find a bug report for this issue
[06:29] <mindslant> now 9 min. I'm glad I'm helping
[06:30] <LaserJock> I'll have to try a Desktop CD to see if I can reproduce it
[06:30] <LaserJock> what happened is when you installed from the Desktop CD it didn't put in the repositories
[06:30] <LaserJock> so it was just lookin on the CD, which doesn't actually have any packages in it
[06:31] <mindslant> ok
[06:31] <mindslant> I understand.
[06:32] <LaserJock> heah, you want to file the bug?
[06:32] <mindslant> all my install disks (which I checked for defects) came from the same downloaded image.  Maybe I just got a bad one.
[06:32] <LaserJock> well, it's possible I suppose
[06:32] <mindslant> Uh...you could put my name there but I'd probably not give enough/right information for the report to be amazingly helpful
[06:33] <mindslant> unless it's a hassle for you
[06:33] <LaserJock> mindslant: nah, I'll walk you through it
[06:33] <LaserJock> then you'll know how
[06:33] <mindslant> ubuntu bugs area?
[06:33] <mindslant> big red "report a bug" button
[06:34] <LaserJock> Ubuntu uses Launchpad for most all development
[06:34] <LaserJock> it does translations, bug tracking, etc.
[06:34] <LaserJock> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/
[06:35] <LaserJock> so there you can hit the red "Report a Bug" button
[06:35] <mindslant> I'm logged in and I have a prompt
[06:36] <LaserJock> ok, so you're at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug ?
[06:36] <mindslant> One line summary:  Desktop installation fails to install all repositories
[06:36] <mindslant> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug?redirection_url=https%3A%2F%2Flaunchpad.net%2Fubuntu%2F%2Bfilebug
[06:36] <LaserJock> ok, let's put Edubuntu Feisty Desktop CD installation fails to install all repositories
[06:36] <mindslant> doen
[06:36] <mindslant> done
[06:37] <LaserJock> ok, next page
[06:37] <mindslant> not today "
[06:37] <mindslant> Launchpad is offline at the moment for maintenance. It should be back, better than ever, soon. Thanks for your patience. "
[06:37] <mindslant> let me reload
[06:37] <LaserJock> bah
[06:38] <mindslant> I"m Irish, you'd think I'd have more luck
[06:38] <LaserJock> should be back
[06:38] <LaserJock> heh
[06:38] <mindslant> I got the next page
[06:39] <LaserJock> ok, so just give a little account of what happens
[06:40] <mindslant> ok
[06:45] <LaserJock> when you get it done let me know what the bug number is
[06:46] <mindslant> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/118334
[06:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 118334 in Ubuntu "Edubuntu Feisty Desktop CD installation fails to install all repositories" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[06:47] <mindslant> Did you notice on the main bug page the number one bug (critical and in progress) is MIcrosoft has too much market share.  I don't know if that's always there but it's hilarious
[06:47] <LaserJock> it was bug #1
[06:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[06:48] <mindslant> I have always loved linux humor
[06:48] <LaserJock> Mark Shuttleworth filed that for the very first bug in Launchpad
[06:49] <mindslant> Love Mr. Shuttleworth
[06:49] <LaserJock> ok, I'm gonna clean you're bug up a bit
[06:49] <mindslant> I'm sure it could use it
[06:51] <LaserJock> mindslant: nah, it wasn't bad
[06:51] <mindslant> thx
[06:52] <LaserJock> I just made it so the bug was filed against ubiquity
[06:52] <LaserJock> which is the DesktopCD installer
[06:52] <LaserJock> and I'm subscribing the Edubuntu Bugsquad
[06:53] <mindslant> ok
[06:53] <LaserJock> mindslant: ok, sir. I've held you up long enough ;-)
[06:53] <LaserJock> thanks for reporting the problem
[06:54] <mindslant> Me?  I look forward to the day I can help others
[06:54] <mindslant> Thank you for all the help
[06:54] <LaserJock> well, that's what we're here for
[06:54] <LaserJock> we volunteer our time because somebody helped us too :-)
[06:54] <mindslant> I get lucky enough that I always find a quiet room and one really devoted volunteer
[06:55] <LaserJock> hehe
[06:55] <LaserJock> Irish Luck? :-)
[06:55] <mindslant> It's not a super power you can call on, kicks in whenever
[06:56] <LaserJock> well, I'm downloading the Desktop CD .iso now
[06:57] <LaserJock> it's getting late so I'll probably try to give it a go tomorrow
[06:57] <mindslant> Okay, want my e-mail in case there's more specifics I can give later?
[06:58] <LaserJock> actually, I've got it in Launchpad
[06:58] <LaserJock> unless you've got a better one
[06:58] <LaserJock> you're subscribed to the bug now so when anything happens with it you'll get an email
[06:59] <mindslant> okay, I'll keep an eye out.  I'm thinking it's either my specific download was bad or it's just this era dell
[06:59] <LaserJock> well, there shouldn't be any issue with hardware
[06:59] <LaserJock> we've had a bugger of a time with our Feisty Desktop CD
[07:00] <LaserJock> we really don't use it much and it's not our recommended installtion method
[07:00] <LaserJock> we went to two CD for Feisty
[07:01] <LaserJock> to get more education apps and still keep all the Ubuntu stuff
[07:01] <LaserJock> but that caused some problems with the Desktop CD
[07:01] <mindslant> what is the significant advantage of the Classroom Server CD
[07:02] <LaserJock> well
[07:02] <LaserJock> you can use it to install an LTSP Server
[07:02] <LaserJock> which is what a lot of Edubuntu users in schools, etc. want
[07:02] <LaserJock> you can also install the Workstation (which is like a normal desktop)
[07:03] <LaserJock> it's a text-based installer so it's not as shiny as the DesktopCD
[07:03] <LaserJock> but it's fast to install and more flexible
[07:03] <mindslant> That's the thin client right?  I'm just worried that the 256 ram box we got donated would run well as a thick client to 20-30 computers
[07:03] <mindslant> *would not run
[07:03] <mindslant> *Thick Server
[07:04] <LaserJock> no, but with 256MB of Ram a Workstation off the Classroom Server CD would be the fastest/best install
[07:04] <mindslant> what are the recommended basics for the server of the thin client network
[07:05] <LaserJock> I've got to get to bed
[07:05] <mindslant> no problem, thanks for everything
[07:05] <LaserJock> but I'll leave you with a doc that should give you some answers ;-)
[07:05] <LaserJock> http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C
[07:05] <mindslant> Thank you so much.  Go to bed.
[07:05] <LaserJock> have a good night
[07:05] <LaserJock> and thanks for dropping by
[07:05] <LaserJock> good luck ;-)
[07:05] <mindslant> : - D
[03:53] <pygi> hi folks
[04:40] <mindslant> Howdy
[04:42] <pygi> hi mindslant :)
[04:42] <mindslant> somebody is here.
[04:42] <mindslant> I got a problem I was getting some help with last night.
[04:43] <mindslant> It's listed as Bug #118834.  Once I install edubuntu 7.04 onto somewhat older dells, non of the educational programs are available...any ideas?
[04:44] <mindslant> Nevermind, it just started working
[04:44] <mindslant> maybe
[04:57] <pygi> :P
[06:58] <FunnyLookinHat> Hey...  if when I first setup the thin-client server I couldn't correctly configure it because I only had one NIC, how can I start the config process again?
[08:00] <LaserJock> Good morning Edubuntu land!
[08:08] <cottima> Hello, has anyone used LTSP?
[08:09] <LaserJock> do you have a specific question?
[11:31] <LaserJock> oh my gosh!
[11:31] <Burgundavia> hmm?
[11:32] <LaserJock> I just had my first LTSP session
[11:32] <LaserJock> in vmware
[11:32] <LaserJock> but still
[11:32] <LaserJock> first time I've ever booted up a thin client \o/
[11:34] <stgraber> LaserJock: oh :)
[11:35] <Burgundavia> heh
[11:35] <stgraber> vmware is really a good software for that kind of stuff, here I'm working on an install for a school I'll do in a month or so, I've : a win2003 domain server with a copy of their AD schema, an edubuntu server, 2 thin clients
[11:36] <stgraber> (I'm working on using the Win2003 server to auth users without having to join the Windows Domain or extend the LDAP schema with the Unix things)
[11:36] <stgraber> so basically checking for the validity of the user informations, retrieve the Full name and the primary Groups from LDAP and then create a local account
[11:37] <stgraber> just great to be able to test all of this on my laptop everywhere I want without having to take 3 computers with me :)
[11:37] <LaserJock> yeah
[11:40] <stgraber> btw, I saw somewhere that some meta packages would be done to easily install education packages for a specific schools type, for example edubuntu-secondary or things like that, is there a list of the packages that would be included in those meta ? (I'd like to have a list of potential packages for a secondary school)
[11:41] <LaserJock> stgraber: hehe
[11:41] <LaserJock> not yet
[11:41] <LaserJock> because I haven't created the packages
[11:41] <LaserJock> ;-)
[11:42] <LaserJock> to start with it'll mostly be science packages I'm guessing
[11:42] <LaserJock> since they are fairly prevalent
[11:51] <LaserJock> stgraber: hopefully soonish I'll have a reasonable draft of the package lists
[11:56] <stgraber> oh, good thing