=== superseth [n=smarinel@adsl-75-15-125-122.dsl.snlo01.sbcglobal.net] has joined #edubuntu === SimonAnibal [n=sruiz@pool-71-120-186-33.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:09] anyone know why we opted for x11vnc for tcm? [01:10] talk to cbx33 [01:11] x11vnc as opposed to ? [01:11] freenx or something else? [01:12] or maybe clairvoyance? [01:12] (sp) [01:12] well, freenx would be kinda overkill wouldn't it? [01:13] I don't know the requirements, so I have no idea whether it would be. [01:13] i kind a thought he was using swf2something [01:13] x11vnc attaches to an existing X [01:13] LaserJock, i use it all the time in 4.2 [01:13] vnc2swf [01:14] well, it might be used eventually, I don't know [01:14] im trying to help paablo get tcm running..over in #ltsp [01:15] but x11vnc doenst show as pkg in the chroot [01:16] swf is non-free [01:16] yeah, I guess that might be difficult in our default install [01:17] how would i know what repo the pkg would be in? [01:17] x11vnc that is [01:17] Universe [01:17] thanks! ill pass that on === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@ubuntu/member/ajmitch] has joined #edubuntu === n2diy_ is now known as n2diy === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === a5benwillis [n=benwilli@71-12-14-250.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com] has joined #edubuntu === merriam_ [n=merriam@85-211-245-180.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu [03:10] bah [03:10] my laptop keeps freezing on me [03:13] bah! [03:14] it might be network manager [03:14] mine does that and also doesn't bring the LCD up when I open the screen === fxch [n=fxch@124.240.124.223] has joined #edubuntu [03:17] Burgundavia: it just freezes up? no mouse activity or anything? [03:23] ? [03:24] fxch: just discussing why my laptop freezes sometimes [03:27] Can you tell us the detail, maybe someone can help you [03:27] well, Burgundavia suggested that maybe it was network manager [03:27] it just hard freezes every once in a while === Knightlust [n=Dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #edubuntu [03:28] is cpu busy? [03:29] I think perhaps [03:29] it gets pretty hot [03:29] but I can't ssh in or anything === fxch [n=fxch@124.240.124.223] has left #edubuntu ["Konversation] [03:36] must have been too much for him ;-) === RichEd-1 [n=richard@dsl-245-180-144.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === mindslant [n=zephyr@cpe-67-10-81-160.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu === JohanSalim [i=G3b0ys@ip84-223.cbn.net.id] has joined #edubuntu [05:46] When I run edubuntu feisty from live cd I have all the regular programs. When I load it onto dell desktops, most of the education programs are missing. In the package manager calls up the program it says my i386 archictecture isn't suported [05:47] mindslant: The LiveCD doesn't install the educational apps unfortunately [05:47] we had a bug in the Feisty LiveCD [05:47] you can get the educational apps from the Classroom Server Add-on CD [05:48] Great, there's a simple solution. thx [05:48] Why won't adept or synaptic load them? [05:49] Well, that would work too [05:49] Not when I've tried [05:49] but you'd need to download them from the internet [05:49] not the repositories? [05:49] yes, they are in the repositories [05:49] what did you try specifically? [05:50] gcompris and the potato man (my daughters fave) [05:50] ok, so you opened up synaptic? [05:51] I opened up add/remove programs. I'm not sure if it's default synaptic or adept [05:51] ah [05:51] neither actually [05:51] the program is gnome-app-install [05:51] and then you selected gcompris? [05:51] okay [05:51] yes sir [05:52] Do I need to sudo in a terminal [05:52] you shouldn't [05:53] I'm repeating what you're doing, so I can see what's going on [05:53] appreciate it [05:53] ok, so I got potato guy and gcompris selected [05:53] now I'm gonna hit the OK button, is that what you did? [05:53] says my architecture (i386) is not supported [05:53] I can't even select them [05:53] oh, how odd [05:54] GCompris Administration cannot be installed on your computer type (i386). Either the application requires special hardware features or the vendor decided to not support your computer type. [05:54] 6.06 let me [05:54] yikes, that's not right at all [05:54] ok, can you open up a terminal for me? [05:54] Finally, I'm not asking a noob type problem. sure can [05:55] it's up [05:55] ok, can you pastebin the contents of /usr/apt/sources.list ? [05:55] !paste [05:55] pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) [05:56] pastebin is new [05:56] to me [05:56] one sec [05:56] it's much nicer than pasting everything into here [05:58] In the terminal I'm trying to cd to /usr/apt/sources.list...no go [05:58] is !paste a command for the terminal [05:58] ? [05:58] just do less /usr/apt/sources.list [05:58] I'm still learning to convert from old dos commands to linux commands [05:59] then put what you get in http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org and give me the URL when you submit it [05:59] it's like a whiteboard for people to toss up notes and things [05:59] Super neat idea [06:00] No such file. Sorry I'm being such a slow learner here. Is 'less' a command? I cd'd to /usr and did ls, didn't see an apt sub-directory [06:01] ok, try this: [06:01] cd /etc/apt/ [06:01] less sources.list [06:01] it was my mistake with /usr [06:01] it should be /etc, sorry [06:01] Yep, lots of stuff came up [06:03] did the paste bin [06:04] ok, so what is the URL? [06:04] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23680/ [06:05] so is that all that was in that file? [06:05] you might have needed to scroll down a bit [06:06] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23681/ [06:06] there was some more, I don't know how useful it will be [06:07] I don't think it will be [06:07] did any of the lines start with "deb" [06:07] without a "#" in front? [06:08] deb cdrom:[Edubuntu 7.04 _Feisty Fawn_ - Release i386 Binary-1 (20070415)] / feisty main restricted [06:08] and that's the only one? [06:08] this came up when i did cd /etc/apt...less sources.list [06:08] yes sir, that's the only one [06:08] ok, we're doing good now [06:09] good news [06:09] now, is this a pretty new installation? [06:09] have you done much of anything since installing? [06:09] It's a pretty unused installation so far [06:09] no [06:09] ok, well I'm going to have to go figure out if this is a bug [06:10] I get this problem on all the dells at my school and a different model at home [06:10] but first let's fix it [06:10] hmm, if you want to install Edubuntu I'd really recommend using the Classroom Server CD [06:10] you can do the Workstation option it has if you don't want all the LTSP Server stuff [06:10] finally I'm doing more than evangelizing for the community, I'm bug hunting. Right now I need to give a demo to the school, then if they like it distribute it [06:11] ok, so lets fix this for you [06:11] thank you so much [06:12] ok, so go to System -> Administration -> Software Sources [06:12] I'm there [06:13] ok, you want to click the first 3 check boxes [06:13] for main, universe, and restricted [06:14] go them checked? [06:14] yes [06:14] and you can do the Download From: [06:15] yes [06:15] ok, no go to the Updates tab [06:15] *now [06:15] and check the first 2 [06:16] ok, did I need to do anything with "Download From:" or was that just a test? [06:16] done [06:16] in Download From: you should see Main Server and a local mirror [06:16] you probably wan the local mirror [06:16] main server and server from US [06:17] US is usually pretty good [06:17] done [06:17] (not at world politics) [06:17] ok, so now you can hit the "Close" button [06:18] it asked me to reload and is now downloading changes [06:18] yep, good [06:18] looks like it's going to be doing that for another 10 minutes [06:19] are you on dialup? [06:19] no [06:19] down to 3 minutes [06:19] ah [06:19] it's confused [06:19] maybe it just needed a minute to warm up ;-) [06:20] while it's doing that [06:20] you said it's happened on several machines? [06:20] I have a software update available in the menu bar [06:20] on all the ones you've tried? [06:20] Two types of dell desktops [06:20] yeah, you'll probably have quite a few updates [06:21] Older ones from a couple of years or more ago [06:23] ok, so once the reloading is done [06:23] you should be back to Add/Remove and it should work [06:23] ok, I'll test it once all the other updates are done [06:25] ...in 4 hrs [06:25] blah [06:25] this time I don't think it's confues [06:25] *confused [06:25] 4321 B/s download [06:26] yucky [06:26] sometimes if you get a bad US server you can restart it [06:27] just cancel and go again, or do I need to manually pick a different server first? [06:27] the US server is actually a bunch of servers so sometimes it gives you a slow one [06:27] now it says 48 minutes [06:29] well, I can't find a bug report for this issue [06:29] now 9 min. I'm glad I'm helping [06:30] I'll have to try a Desktop CD to see if I can reproduce it [06:30] what happened is when you installed from the Desktop CD it didn't put in the repositories [06:30] so it was just lookin on the CD, which doesn't actually have any packages in it [06:31] ok [06:31] I understand. [06:32] heah, you want to file the bug? [06:32] all my install disks (which I checked for defects) came from the same downloaded image. Maybe I just got a bad one. [06:32] well, it's possible I suppose [06:32] Uh...you could put my name there but I'd probably not give enough/right information for the report to be amazingly helpful [06:33] unless it's a hassle for you [06:33] mindslant: nah, I'll walk you through it [06:33] then you'll know how [06:33] ubuntu bugs area? [06:33] big red "report a bug" button [06:34] Ubuntu uses Launchpad for most all development [06:34] it does translations, bug tracking, etc. [06:34] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/ [06:35] so there you can hit the red "Report a Bug" button [06:35] I'm logged in and I have a prompt [06:36] ok, so you're at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug ? [06:36] One line summary: Desktop installation fails to install all repositories [06:36] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug?redirection_url=https%3A%2F%2Flaunchpad.net%2Fubuntu%2F%2Bfilebug [06:36] ok, let's put Edubuntu Feisty Desktop CD installation fails to install all repositories [06:36] doen [06:36] done [06:37] ok, next page [06:37] not today " [06:37] Launchpad is offline at the moment for maintenance. It should be back, better than ever, soon. Thanks for your patience. " [06:37] let me reload [06:37] bah [06:38] I"m Irish, you'd think I'd have more luck [06:38] should be back [06:38] heh [06:38] I got the next page [06:39] ok, so just give a little account of what happens [06:40] ok [06:45] when you get it done let me know what the bug number is [06:46] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/118334 [06:46] Launchpad bug 118334 in Ubuntu "Edubuntu Feisty Desktop CD installation fails to install all repositories" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [06:47] Did you notice on the main bug page the number one bug (critical and in progress) is MIcrosoft has too much market share. I don't know if that's always there but it's hilarious [06:47] it was bug #1 [06:47] Launchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 [06:48] I have always loved linux humor [06:48] Mark Shuttleworth filed that for the very first bug in Launchpad [06:49] Love Mr. Shuttleworth [06:49] ok, I'm gonna clean you're bug up a bit [06:49] I'm sure it could use it [06:51] mindslant: nah, it wasn't bad [06:51] thx [06:52] I just made it so the bug was filed against ubiquity [06:52] which is the DesktopCD installer [06:52] and I'm subscribing the Edubuntu Bugsquad [06:53] ok [06:53] mindslant: ok, sir. I've held you up long enough ;-) [06:53] thanks for reporting the problem [06:54] Me? I look forward to the day I can help others [06:54] Thank you for all the help [06:54] well, that's what we're here for [06:54] we volunteer our time because somebody helped us too :-) [06:54] I get lucky enough that I always find a quiet room and one really devoted volunteer [06:55] hehe [06:55] Irish Luck? :-) [06:55] It's not a super power you can call on, kicks in whenever [06:56] well, I'm downloading the Desktop CD .iso now [06:57] it's getting late so I'll probably try to give it a go tomorrow [06:57] Okay, want my e-mail in case there's more specifics I can give later? [06:58] actually, I've got it in Launchpad [06:58] unless you've got a better one [06:58] you're subscribed to the bug now so when anything happens with it you'll get an email [06:59] okay, I'll keep an eye out. I'm thinking it's either my specific download was bad or it's just this era dell [06:59] well, there shouldn't be any issue with hardware [06:59] we've had a bugger of a time with our Feisty Desktop CD [07:00] we really don't use it much and it's not our recommended installtion method [07:00] we went to two CD for Feisty [07:01] to get more education apps and still keep all the Ubuntu stuff [07:01] but that caused some problems with the Desktop CD [07:01] what is the significant advantage of the Classroom Server CD [07:02] well [07:02] you can use it to install an LTSP Server [07:02] which is what a lot of Edubuntu users in schools, etc. want [07:02] you can also install the Workstation (which is like a normal desktop) [07:03] it's a text-based installer so it's not as shiny as the DesktopCD [07:03] but it's fast to install and more flexible [07:03] That's the thin client right? I'm just worried that the 256 ram box we got donated would run well as a thick client to 20-30 computers [07:03] *would not run [07:03] *Thick Server [07:04] no, but with 256MB of Ram a Workstation off the Classroom Server CD would be the fastest/best install [07:04] what are the recommended basics for the server of the thin client network [07:05] I've got to get to bed [07:05] no problem, thanks for everything [07:05] but I'll leave you with a doc that should give you some answers ;-) [07:05] http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C [07:05] Thank you so much. Go to bed. [07:05] have a good night [07:05] and thanks for dropping by [07:05] good luck ;-) [07:05] : - D === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === parepakisslang [n=s_sUk3@124.104.31.71] has joined #edubuntu === jbrefort [n=jean@pot44-1-88-172-65-1.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === RichEd-1 [n=richard@dsl-245-180-144.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === a5benwillis [n=benwilli@71-12-14-250.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com] has joined #edubuntu === cliebow_ [n=cliebow@cpe-76-179-82-249.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu === bdoin [n=coudoin@home.gcompris.net] has joined #edubuntu === kgoetz [n=kgoetz@gnewsense/friend/kgoetz] has left #edubuntu [] === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu === boxrock [n=chatzill@198.23.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu === froud_ is now known as froud === ludoRA [n=Ludovic@63.187.103-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #Edubuntu === ludoRA [n=Ludovic@63.187.103-84.rev.gaoland.net] has left #Edubuntu ["A] === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #edubuntu === froud [n=sean@dsl-242-145-109.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === jbrefort [n=jean@pot44-1-88-172-65-1.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #edubuntu === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #edubuntu === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #edubuntu === n2diy [n=darryl@ppp-42d42999.wlks.losch.net] has joined #edubuntu === meduxa [n=agustin@213.231.80.16.static.user.ono.com] has joined #edubuntu === willvdl [n=will@vc-196-207-41-253.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #edubuntu === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.104.189] has joined #edubuntu === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #edubuntu === sulex [n=sulex@pdpc/supporter/active/sulex] has joined #edubuntu === Rondom [n=Rondom@p57A96552.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #edubuntu === sulex [n=sulex@pdpc/supporter/active/sulex] has left #edubuntu [] === pygi [n=mario@83-131-64-74.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [03:53] hi folks === humbolto [n=elias@u-121-071.adsl.univie.ac.at] has joined #edubuntu === mindslant [n=zephyr@cpe-67-10-81-160.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu [04:40] Howdy [04:42] hi mindslant :) [04:42] somebody is here. [04:42] I got a problem I was getting some help with last night. [04:43] It's listed as Bug #118834. Once I install edubuntu 7.04 onto somewhat older dells, non of the educational programs are available...any ideas? [04:44] Nevermind, it just started working [04:44] maybe [04:57] :P === humbolto [n=elias@213.129.251.178] has joined #edubuntu === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #edubuntu === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #edubuntu === txwikinger [n=txwiking@sblug/member/txwikinger] has joined #edubuntu === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #edubuntu === FunnyLookinHat [n=funnyloo@72.16.188.242] has joined #edubuntu [06:58] Hey... if when I first setup the thin-client server I couldn't correctly configure it because I only had one NIC, how can I start the config process again? === Baby [n=miry@195.37.62.208] has joined #edubuntu === SimonAnibal [n=sruiz@pool-71-120-186-33.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #edubuntu === Rondom [n=Rondom@p57A96552.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [08:00] Good morning Edubuntu land! === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #edubuntu === bronze [n=Lester@c-24-62-225-133.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu === cottima [n=TimC@ip24-252-129-124.rn.hr.cox.net] has joined #edubuntu [08:08] Hello, has anyone used LTSP? [08:09] do you have a specific question? === n2diy_ [n=darryl@ppp-42d42915.wlks.losch.net] has joined #edubuntu === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === Rondom [n=Rondom@p57A96045.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === pauljw_vm [n=paul@pool241.dial1-clec.newalb.win.net] has joined #edubuntu === pauljw_vm is now known as pauljw === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #edubuntu === pauljw_vm [n=paul@pool241.dial1-clec.newalb.win.net] has joined #edubuntu === pauljw_vm is now known as pauljw === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #edubuntu === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #edubuntu [11:31] oh my gosh! [11:31] hmm? [11:32] I just had my first LTSP session [11:32] in vmware [11:32] but still [11:32] first time I've ever booted up a thin client \o/ [11:34] LaserJock: oh :) === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #edubuntu [11:35] heh [11:35] vmware is really a good software for that kind of stuff, here I'm working on an install for a school I'll do in a month or so, I've : a win2003 domain server with a copy of their AD schema, an edubuntu server, 2 thin clients [11:36] (I'm working on using the Win2003 server to auth users without having to join the Windows Domain or extend the LDAP schema with the Unix things) [11:36] so basically checking for the validity of the user informations, retrieve the Full name and the primary Groups from LDAP and then create a local account [11:37] just great to be able to test all of this on my laptop everywhere I want without having to take 3 computers with me :) [11:37] yeah [11:40] btw, I saw somewhere that some meta packages would be done to easily install education packages for a specific schools type, for example edubuntu-secondary or things like that, is there a list of the packages that would be included in those meta ? (I'd like to have a list of potential packages for a secondary school) [11:41] stgraber: hehe [11:41] not yet [11:41] because I haven't created the packages [11:41] ;-) [11:42] to start with it'll mostly be science packages I'm guessing [11:42] since they are fairly prevalent [11:51] stgraber: hopefully soonish I'll have a reasonable draft of the package lists [11:56] oh, good thing