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yuriyryanakca: did you get it figured out?01:36
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DaskreechHow are you?02:38
jjessegood, home from a busy day shopping w/ my wife02:38
jjesseso finally checking email, etc02:39
DaskreechI read that as shopping for my wife ...02:40
Daskreechhow was shopping? :)02:40
jjesseit basically was my wife buying stuff for herself...02:40
DaskreechYeah but it's great doing things as a family02:41
jjessebut it was good, because of the amount of time I travel, i rarely get to spend much time with her02:41
Daskreechand a whole day too. that's a rare treat02:44
jjesseyea it was really nice a whole day03:00
jjessewe went outlet shopping which was like an hour away03:00
jjesseso we w"03:00
jjessewent "out of town"03:01
Daskreechon the town :)03:01
jjesseso you know you've been working in vmware too long when the first thing you do to swtich windows is hit ctrl-alt to release the widnwo adn then alt+tab03:02
jjessewhile i was in kontact :(03:02
Daskreechanyone have Vista?03:11
DaskreechOr dual booting with vista to be more precise?03:11
Daskreechmanchicken_: Heehee03:15
jjessei have vista03:19
DaskreechDual booting?03:19
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jjessenot dual booting, but it is on one of my computers03:19
Daskreechsomeons is saying that the grub guide given no longer works with Vista03:19
jjessei thought that was correct03:19
Daskreechand !sudo has Gnome specific help stuff but no KDE equivi03:23
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DaskreechRiddell: ping04:21
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claydohHobbsee: congrats on joining the core dev team!04:42
Hobbseeclaydoh: thankyou :)04:42
Hobbseei dunno where eveyrone gets this info from, though04:42
claydohubuntu-devel mailing list :)\04:43
Hobbseeahhh :)04:43
claydohnot too high traffic so i noticed it esily04:43
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Hobbseeheh, true04:49
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Hobbseesomeone's been going thru teh moderation filter for one of them, bringing large blocks of mail04:49
nixternalOK, what needs immediate attention Hobbsee? let me start working here and get your core-dev skills smokin' :)04:50
Hobbseenixternal: hehe.    not sure, to be honest04:50
Hobbseenixternal: there's still al ot of bugs coming in, and most arent filed upstream04:51
Hobbseeperhaps you could go thru the kde packages and file usptream, and reject whatever you think upstream wont fix for kde 4?04:51
nixternalwe could do that, let me guess...kdepim?04:52
Hobbseei was thinking kdelibs04:54
Hobbseebut any of the big metapackages for kde04:54
Hobbseeor kdebase04:54
Hobbseekdelibs is a black art to me, you may know more on it04:54
nixternala little bit as I help with one small part of it...kdoctool ;)04:55
nixternalwhy that is in kdelibs I will never know...but hey, who I am to say anything, just give me a job and away I hack04:55
nixternalman, I have got the most gorgeous beach wallpaper now...I love the colors04:55
Hobbseehehe :)04:55
nixternalbrb...news is coming on..and then we can bug hack...if you come up with a link, link me...give me about 10 or 15..gotta catch the weather and see how much damage was done in our area from this evenings storms04:57
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DaskreechGHNS it :)04:57
Hobbseeor better still, have all of them done by the time i come back from work04:58
Hobbseefile anything relevatn in debian04:58
Hobbseewho's up for fixing system settings?05:15
Daskreechcan the Live DVd be used as an apt repo ?05:17
nixternalwhat is wrong with system settings?05:31
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Hobbseenixternal: tried to run it on gutsy yet?05:44
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AgarFuhi all12:56
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Hobbseeevening all01:38
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seele'lo Hobbsee01:46
Hobbseehow's it going?01:46
Jucatoevening Hobbsee, seele! :)01:46
Hobbseehiya Jucato :)01:46
Jucatooh goody! seele's here :)01:47
Jucatoseele: just wanted to ask you something. is there a sort of, um.., "subject" or field of study about making (graphical) user interfaces?01:50
Jucatoum more on theoretical/practical stuff, not the coding involved :)01:52
seeleJucato: it depends, do you mean technical or design01:52
Jucatodesign mostly01:52
seeleah, well.. it is in practice a very large field, so you could come from very different backgrounds01:52
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seeleinteraction and interface design is the most direct01:53
seeleclient or web?01:53
seeleusability is another way, however i dont think you get enough design theory to do anything too exciting01:53
seeledo you look to take classes or just learn more about design and that sort of the thing?01:53
Jucatojust learning by myself mostly :(01:54
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Jucatojust looking for search terms that I could research on, if there's such a field of study01:55
Jucatobasically, I'm very interested in GUI's, interface design most probably. especially like how you create innovative or new designs... without sacrificing usability :)01:56
=== Jucato looks at a certain Adept :P
seelegetting to know interface guildeines is probably the best way to get to know client interfaces and their requirements01:56
seelehah, yeah01:56
seelethat is a good syndication of blogs, but a lot more web interface01:57
Jucatoah! HCI :)01:57
seelebut hci is tricky because it has computer science roots01:57
seeleand it is less qualitative and more quantitative01:58
Jucatono problem. I'm currently studying programming :)01:58
seelethere are some good book lists too.. ill have to find some01:58
seelei'd stay away from text books unless you want hard-core theory01:58
seeleone of the easiest activities to start with is a heuristic or expert review01:59
Jucatowell, maybe theory and application. would be nice to go hand in hand :)01:59
seeleif you look up those terms, you will find some guidelines on how to conduct one01:59
JucatoI'm interested in this field mostly because I see a lack of HCI people who are also programmers (or vice versa)... so seeing if I could help in that area :)01:59
Jucato"HCI and Usability people"02:00
seeleah, yes.. well there is enough about programming to fill someone's head as much as there is enough hci to fill someone's head02:00
seeleusually there isnt much room for the other thing once you become an expert, hehe02:00
JucatoI'll try my best, then :D02:00
Jucatohopefully maybe one day there will be a specialized field for that kind of thing...02:01
seelehmm.. maybe, but its the matter of being a jack of all trades, but master of none02:01
Jucato(sound a lot like Konqueror... another UI mess...)02:01
seeleeven in specialities in computer science, you usually pick a field such as security, programming languges, hardware, etc.02:01
seeleyou may be very good in two which complement each other, but it would be hard to know everything about everything02:02
Jucatohm... true.. it will be very hard....02:02
Jucatomaybe I can specialize on programming but take HCI on the sidelines :)02:03
Jucatoseele: thanks for the input. at least I know where to start now :)02:04
JucatoI'm still in the non-GUI programming stuff (just learning C++), so I wanted to get an early start :)02:05
seeleJucato: sure, if you do anything like an expert review on adept, let me know and ill go through it with you and give you feedback02:05
Jucatoseele: thanks! though I don't think I'll be brave enough to tackle Adept just yet... but it has been an itch I couldn't scratch since... um.. the first time I saw it? :D02:06
Riddelladept has a usability plan, the problem is having someone coding it02:07
Hobbseehi Riddell02:08
Riddellmorning Hobbsee02:08
Riddellseele: you still at linuxtag?02:08
Jucatomornfall still maintaining it on his side?02:08
Jucato(and hi Riddell! :D)02:08
seeleRiddell: yeah02:09
Riddellseele: did you see the kubuntu vs ubuntu talk?02:09
RiddellI'm curious to know if Paul bothered to turn up02:10
Riddellmm, he does seem to be in the right country impressively02:10
seeleah, no.. i havent been to any talks, i've been in printing meetins most of the time02:10
Hobbseewhich paul?02:10
RiddellHobbsee: you know, the one in our naked photographs02:11
HobbseeRiddell: er, i'm damned sure we werent naked....02:11
Jucatolol :)02:11
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Riddellspeaking of naked, I saw Ian McKellan get his kit off last night02:12
Riddellin Shakespear too, so it's cultural and stuff02:12
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Hobbseesure sure02:13
Hobbseeyou seemed to have liked this fact.02:13
RiddellSylvestor McCoy was there too, it's not ofter you get to see Gandalf snogging Dr Who02:14
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=== Hobbsee idly hopes that no one decides to quote any part of this log....
HobbseeRiddell: i dont suppose you'd happen to know when Dr Who is on in australia again?02:18
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RiddellI put the photo of me and him in the pool on her desktop background and now she just comments on what a fit body he has, humph02:20
Hobbseehaha, awww.02:20
HobbseeRiddell: you really should have called her earlier02:20
Hobbseeinstead of waiting until the second last night02:20
Riddellmy phone was lost!02:21
HobbseeRiddell: even when it wasnt lost you still refused to ring her!02:21
Riddellwell it costs a fortune02:21
Hobbseeso does anything02:21
Hobbseedoes voip not exist for your laptop, or something?02:21
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HobbseeRiddell: actually, if it did, your laptop would probably overheat and shut down02:26
Hobbseeso probably sensible you werent going to use it02:26
Riddellit would as well02:26
Riddellhttp://bexless.livejournal.com/617194.html  this lady seems to have enjoyed the performance I saw quite a lot02:26
HobbseeRiddell: you people are strange...02:29
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Hobbseenixternal: how did you go with those bugs?02:52
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siretartgrr, why doesn't anyone tell me that my last ffmpeg upload was broken. (fixed now)03:13
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Riddellsiretart: does that mean tonio can upload the new kaffeine?03:26
siretartRiddell: the new kaffeine needs the new xine, right?03:36
siretartRiddell: after the ubuntu3 version of ffmpeg got built, xine-lib needs to be given back on all archs,03:37
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siretartRiddell: okay, ffmpeg is ready now. Now we need xine-lib built, then you can have the new kaffeine uploaded06:19
siretartRiddell: I'd suggest to give-back xine-lib, no idea if mithrandir is working today06:19
siretartneed to run now, cu tomorrow!06:20
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ryanakcahmmm. this might be interesting: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KIO+Slave+sysinfo:++-+Kubuntu+7.04+package?content=58704 ... add the sysinfo KIO Slave...07:19
ryanakcaRiddell: can you upload the kmilo patch please? http://packages.ryanak.ca/pool/ryan-gutsy/kmilo/kdeutils_3.5.7-1ubuntu2.debdiff07:19
Riddellryanakca: got a URL that the patch came from?07:21
Riddellor a web page with more info rather07:21
Riddellryanakca: http://blog.guillermoamaral.com/2007/04/14/patch-kde-kmilo-compact-dialog/ ?07:23
Jucatoor http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/KMilo+-+Customizable+DefaultSkin?content=5628707:25
kwwii_so we need new kmilo artwork?07:25
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ace_suareshi, I need to start a program from the browser. The program is qemu. Can this be done ?07:46
ace_suaresI also need to feed qemu some command line options07:46
ace_suaresI made a file association in Konq with /bin/bash and lo and behold, I can create a html document with a link to a file that will07:46
ace_suaresstart qemu with the desired images and options07:46
ace_suaresbut, it's very unsafe, of course.07:47
ace_suaresso, I'd lik to start qemu instead of bash, but how do I feed the command line options ?07:47
nixternalace_suares: this is a development channel, and it is the weekend, so an asnwer to that would be easier to get in #kubuntu the support channel07:48
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ace_suaresnixternal: okidoki.08:04
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yuriyhuh? where did guidance go? there is no extragear/utils08:30
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Riddellyuriy: probably moved to extragear for kde 3, whereever that is09:18
Riddelltry branches09:18
yuriyah, that makes sense, thanks09:26
yuriyhmm i guess this was just done 4 hours ago09:28
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mhbgood evening10:03
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alterooRiddell: ping11:41
Riddellalteroo: hi11:53
alterooRiddell: Would it make sense to have a Gnome Menu in the KMenu?11:53
Riddellalteroo: I don't like separating classes of applications into a sub-menu11:55
Riddellusers don't know what a gnome app is, and they shouldn't have to11:55
alterooRiddell: Yeah I was trying to think of a threshhold but I guess the Kmenu doesn't work that way11:56
Riddellxdg menus do have a gnome tag, it's users who don't need to care11:57
alterooIf someone has say more than 5 Gnome apps it could prompt for a menu11:57
alterooRiddell: I know But if Both KDE and Gnome are installed the menus get very messy11:57
alteroohaving a way to organize would make people a) more likey to install both and b) More likely to stay in KDE11:58
alterooActually thinking about it It wouldn't be a bad idea to have them flip that on manually11:58
alterooThat might solve the problem A bit like the Debian Menu11:59
Riddellyay, more configuration options11:59
Riddellwe don't install the debian menu, it's in universe11:59
Riddellif you install applications, they will appear in the menu11:59
RiddellI don't mind a package in universe which does the sub menu, if such is possible12:00
alterooRiddell: ok There is a deb on the kde-look that sorts out all Gnome apps to a sub menu12:02
alterooRiddell: Thanks :)12:03
RiddellDaSkreech: put it on revu then12:07
DaSkreechRiddell: sure12:07

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