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| yuriy | ryanakca: did you get it figured out? | 01:36 |
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| jjesse | evening | 02:35 |
| Daskreech | hi | 02:36 |
| jjesse | helllo | 02:37 |
| Daskreech | How are you? | 02:38 |
| jjesse | good, home from a busy day shopping w/ my wife | 02:38 |
| jjesse | so finally checking email, etc | 02:39 |
| Daskreech | I read that as shopping for my wife ... | 02:40 |
| Daskreech | how was shopping? :) | 02:40 |
| jjesse | it basically was my wife buying stuff for herself... | 02:40 |
| Daskreech | Yeah but it's great doing things as a family | 02:41 |
| jjesse | but it was good, because of the amount of time I travel, i rarely get to spend much time with her | 02:41 |
| Daskreech | :-) | 02:44 |
| Daskreech | and a whole day too. that's a rare treat | 02:44 |
| jjesse | yea it was really nice a whole day | 03:00 |
| jjesse | we went outlet shopping which was like an hour away | 03:00 |
| jjesse | so we w" | 03:00 |
| jjesse | went "out of town" | 03:01 |
| Daskreech | on the town :) | 03:01 |
| jjesse | so you know you've been working in vmware too long when the first thing you do to swtich windows is hit ctrl-alt to release the widnwo adn then alt+tab | 03:02 |
| jjesse | while i was in kontact :( | 03:02 |
| Daskreech | anyone have Vista? | 03:11 |
| Daskreech | Or dual booting with vista to be more precise? | 03:11 |
| Daskreech | manchicken_: Heehee | 03:15 |
| jjesse | i have vista | 03:19 |
| Daskreech | Dual booting? | 03:19 |
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| jjesse | not dual booting, but it is on one of my computers | 03:19 |
| Daskreech | someons is saying that the grub guide given no longer works with Vista | 03:19 |
| jjesse | i thought that was correct | 03:19 |
| Daskreech | Hmm | 03:23 |
| Daskreech | and !sudo has Gnome specific help stuff but no KDE equivi | 03:23 |
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| Daskreech | Riddell: ping | 04:21 |
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| claydoh | Hobbsee: congrats on joining the core dev team! | 04:42 |
| Hobbsee | claydoh: thankyou :) | 04:42 |
| Hobbsee | i dunno where eveyrone gets this info from, though | 04:42 |
| claydoh | ubuntu-devel mailing list :)\ | 04:43 |
| Hobbsee | ahhh :) | 04:43 |
| claydoh | not too high traffic so i noticed it esily | 04:43 |
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| Hobbsee | heh, true | 04:49 |
| === Hobbsee should split her ubuntu-devel and ubuntu-devel-discuss mail | ||
| Hobbsee | someone's been going thru teh moderation filter for one of them, bringing large blocks of mail | 04:49 |
| nixternal | OK, what needs immediate attention Hobbsee? let me start working here and get your core-dev skills smokin' :) | 04:50 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: hehe. not sure, to be honest | 04:50 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: there's still al ot of bugs coming in, and most arent filed upstream | 04:51 |
| Hobbsee | perhaps you could go thru the kde packages and file usptream, and reject whatever you think upstream wont fix for kde 4? | 04:51 |
| nixternal | we could do that, let me guess...kdepim? | 04:52 |
| Hobbsee | i was thinking kdelibs | 04:54 |
| Hobbsee | but any of the big metapackages for kde | 04:54 |
| Hobbsee | or kdebase | 04:54 |
| Hobbsee | kdelibs is a black art to me, you may know more on it | 04:54 |
| nixternal | a little bit as I help with one small part of it...kdoctool ;) | 04:55 |
| nixternal | why that is in kdelibs I will never know...but hey, who I am to say anything, just give me a job and away I hack | 04:55 |
| nixternal | man, I have got the most gorgeous beach wallpaper now...I love the colors | 04:55 |
| Hobbsee | hehe :) | 04:55 |
| nixternal | brb...news is coming on..and then we can bug hack...if you come up with a link, link me...give me about 10 or 15..gotta catch the weather and see how much damage was done in our area from this evenings storms | 04:57 |
| === Daskreech wants :) | ||
| Daskreech | GHNS it :) | 04:57 |
| Hobbsee | okay | 04:58 |
| Hobbsee | or better still, have all of them done by the time i come back from work | 04:58 |
| Hobbsee | :P | 04:58 |
| Hobbsee | file anything relevatn in debian | 04:58 |
| Hobbsee | who's up for fixing system settings? | 05:15 |
| Daskreech | can the Live DVd be used as an apt repo ? | 05:17 |
| nixternal | what is wrong with system settings? | 05:31 |
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| Hobbsee | nixternal: tried to run it on gutsy yet? | 05:44 |
| === nixternal fires up gutsy | ||
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| giangy | 'morning | 10:35 |
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| AgarFu | hi all | 12:56 |
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| Hobbsee | evening all | 01:38 |
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| seele | 'lo Hobbsee | 01:46 |
| Hobbsee | seele! | 01:46 |
| Hobbsee | how's it going? | 01:46 |
| Jucato | evening Hobbsee, seele! :) | 01:46 |
| Hobbsee | hiya Jucato :) | 01:46 |
| Jucato | oh goody! seele's here :) | 01:47 |
| seele | hallo! | 01:48 |
| Jucato | seele: just wanted to ask you something. is there a sort of, um.., "subject" or field of study about making (graphical) user interfaces? | 01:50 |
| Jucato | um more on theoretical/practical stuff, not the coding involved :) | 01:52 |
| seele | Jucato: it depends, do you mean technical or design | 01:52 |
| Jucato | design mostly | 01:52 |
| seele | ah, well.. it is in practice a very large field, so you could come from very different backgrounds | 01:52 |
| === Jucato is interested in GUI's :D | ||
| seele | interaction and interface design is the most direct | 01:53 |
| seele | client or web? | 01:53 |
| Jucato | client | 01:53 |
| seele | usability is another way, however i dont think you get enough design theory to do anything too exciting | 01:53 |
| Jucato | aah | 01:53 |
| seele | do you look to take classes or just learn more about design and that sort of the thing? | 01:53 |
| Jucato | just learning by myself mostly :( | 01:54 |
| seele | ok | 01:54 |
| === Jucato can't go to school... nor does he think any school in the Philippines would offer those kind of things... | ||
| Jucato | just looking for search terms that I could research on, if there's such a field of study | 01:55 |
| Jucato | basically, I'm very interested in GUI's, interface design most probably. especially like how you create innovative or new designs... without sacrificing usability :) | 01:56 |
| === Jucato looks at a certain Adept :P | ||
| seele | getting to know interface guildeines is probably the best way to get to know client interfaces and their requirements | 01:56 |
| seele | hah, yeah | 01:56 |
| seele | http://planethci.org/ | 01:57 |
| seele | that is a good syndication of blogs, but a lot more web interface | 01:57 |
| Jucato | ah! HCI :) | 01:57 |
| seele | yes | 01:57 |
| seele | but hci is tricky because it has computer science roots | 01:57 |
| seele | and it is less qualitative and more quantitative | 01:58 |
| Jucato | no problem. I'm currently studying programming :) | 01:58 |
| seele | there are some good book lists too.. ill have to find some | 01:58 |
| seele | i'd stay away from text books unless you want hard-core theory | 01:58 |
| seele | one of the easiest activities to start with is a heuristic or expert review | 01:59 |
| Jucato | well, maybe theory and application. would be nice to go hand in hand :) | 01:59 |
| seele | if you look up those terms, you will find some guidelines on how to conduct one | 01:59 |
| Jucato | I'm interested in this field mostly because I see a lack of HCI people who are also programmers (or vice versa)... so seeing if I could help in that area :) | 01:59 |
| Jucato | "HCI and Usability people" | 02:00 |
| seele | ah, yes.. well there is enough about programming to fill someone's head as much as there is enough hci to fill someone's head | 02:00 |
| seele | usually there isnt much room for the other thing once you become an expert, hehe | 02:00 |
| Jucato | :/ | 02:00 |
| Jucato | I'll try my best, then :D | 02:00 |
| seele | hehe | 02:01 |
| Jucato | hopefully maybe one day there will be a specialized field for that kind of thing... | 02:01 |
| seele | hmm.. maybe, but its the matter of being a jack of all trades, but master of none | 02:01 |
| Jucato | (sound a lot like Konqueror... another UI mess...) | 02:01 |
| seele | even in specialities in computer science, you usually pick a field such as security, programming languges, hardware, etc. | 02:01 |
| seele | you may be very good in two which complement each other, but it would be hard to know everything about everything | 02:02 |
| Jucato | hm... true.. it will be very hard.... | 02:02 |
| Jucato | maybe I can specialize on programming but take HCI on the sidelines :) | 02:03 |
| Jucato | seele: thanks for the input. at least I know where to start now :) | 02:04 |
| Jucato | I'm still in the non-GUI programming stuff (just learning C++), so I wanted to get an early start :) | 02:05 |
| seele | Jucato: sure, if you do anything like an expert review on adept, let me know and ill go through it with you and give you feedback | 02:05 |
| Jucato | seele: thanks! though I don't think I'll be brave enough to tackle Adept just yet... but it has been an itch I couldn't scratch since... um.. the first time I saw it? :D | 02:06 |
| Riddell | adept has a usability plan, the problem is having someone coding it | 02:07 |
| Hobbsee | hi Riddell | 02:08 |
| Riddell | morning Hobbsee | 02:08 |
| Riddell | seele: you still at linuxtag? | 02:08 |
| Jucato | mornfall still maintaining it on his side? | 02:08 |
| Jucato | (and hi Riddell! :D) | 02:08 |
| seele | Riddell: yeah | 02:09 |
| Riddell | seele: did you see the kubuntu vs ubuntu talk? | 02:09 |
| Riddell | http://www.linuxtag.org/2007/en/conf/events/vp-samstag/details.html?talkid=130 | 02:10 |
| Riddell | I'm curious to know if Paul bothered to turn up | 02:10 |
| Riddell | mm, he does seem to be in the right country impressively | 02:10 |
| seele | ah, no.. i havent been to any talks, i've been in printing meetins most of the time | 02:10 |
| Hobbsee | which paul? | 02:10 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 02:10 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: you know, the one in our naked photographs | 02:11 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: er, i'm damned sure we werent naked.... | 02:11 |
| Jucato | lol :) | 02:11 |
| === Hobbsee thought she was more careful with drinks than that :P | ||
| Riddell | speaking of naked, I saw Ian McKellan get his kit off last night | 02:12 |
| Riddell | in Shakespear too, so it's cultural and stuff | 02:12 |
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| Hobbsee | sure sure | 02:13 |
| Hobbsee | you seemed to have liked this fact. | 02:13 |
| Riddell | Sylvestor McCoy was there too, it's not ofter you get to see Gandalf snogging Dr Who | 02:14 |
| === Hobbsee thinks you still should ahve brought your kilt and such to UDS. | ||
| === Hobbsee idly hopes that no one decides to quote any part of this log.... | ||
| Hobbsee | Riddell: i dont suppose you'd happen to know when Dr Who is on in australia again? | 02:18 |
| === Hobbsee wonders if paul has attempted to chat up Riddell's girlfriend again since UDS. | ||
| Riddell | I put the photo of me and him in the pool on her desktop background and now she just comments on what a fit body he has, humph | 02:20 |
| Hobbsee | haha, awww. | 02:20 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: you really should have called her earlier | 02:20 |
| Hobbsee | instead of waiting until the second last night | 02:20 |
| Riddell | my phone was lost! | 02:21 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: even when it wasnt lost you still refused to ring her! | 02:21 |
| Riddell | well it costs a fortune | 02:21 |
| Hobbsee | so does anything | 02:21 |
| Hobbsee | does voip not exist for your laptop, or something? | 02:21 |
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| Hobbsee | Riddell: actually, if it did, your laptop would probably overheat and shut down | 02:26 |
| Hobbsee | so probably sensible you werent going to use it | 02:26 |
| Riddell | it would as well | 02:26 |
| Riddell | http://bexless.livejournal.com/617194.html this lady seems to have enjoyed the performance I saw quite a lot | 02:26 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: you people are strange... | 02:29 |
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| Hobbsee | nixternal: how did you go with those bugs? | 02:52 |
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| siretart | grr, why doesn't anyone tell me that my last ffmpeg upload was broken. (fixed now) | 03:13 |
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| Riddell | siretart: does that mean tonio can upload the new kaffeine? | 03:26 |
| siretart | Riddell: the new kaffeine needs the new xine, right? | 03:36 |
| siretart | Riddell: after the ubuntu3 version of ffmpeg got built, xine-lib needs to be given back on all archs, | 03:37 |
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| siretart | Riddell: okay, ffmpeg is ready now. Now we need xine-lib built, then you can have the new kaffeine uploaded | 06:19 |
| siretart | Riddell: I'd suggest to give-back xine-lib, no idea if mithrandir is working today | 06:19 |
| siretart | need to run now, cu tomorrow! | 06:20 |
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| ryanakca | hmmm. this might be interesting: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KIO+Slave+sysinfo:++-+Kubuntu+7.04+package?content=58704 ... add the sysinfo KIO Slave... | 07:19 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: can you upload the kmilo patch please? http://packages.ryanak.ca/pool/ryan-gutsy/kmilo/kdeutils_3.5.7-1ubuntu2.debdiff | 07:19 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: got a URL that the patch came from? | 07:21 |
| Riddell | or a web page with more info rather | 07:21 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: http://blog.guillermoamaral.com/2007/04/14/patch-kde-kmilo-compact-dialog/ ? | 07:23 |
| Jucato | or http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/KMilo+-+Customizable+DefaultSkin?content=56287 | 07:25 |
| kwwii_ | so we need new kmilo artwork? | 07:25 |
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| ace_suares | hi, I need to start a program from the browser. The program is qemu. Can this be done ? | 07:46 |
| ace_suares | I also need to feed qemu some command line options | 07:46 |
| ace_suares | I made a file association in Konq with /bin/bash and lo and behold, I can create a html document with a link to a file that will | 07:46 |
| ace_suares | start qemu with the desired images and options | 07:46 |
| ace_suares | but, it's very unsafe, of course. | 07:47 |
| ace_suares | so, I'd lik to start qemu instead of bash, but how do I feed the command line options ? | 07:47 |
| nixternal | ace_suares: this is a development channel, and it is the weekend, so an asnwer to that would be easier to get in #kubuntu the support channel | 07:48 |
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| ace_suares | nixternal: okidoki. | 08:04 |
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| yuriy | huh? where did guidance go? there is no extragear/utils | 08:30 |
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| Riddell | yuriy: probably moved to extragear for kde 3, whereever that is | 09:18 |
| Riddell | try branches | 09:18 |
| yuriy | ah, that makes sense, thanks | 09:26 |
| yuriy | hmm i guess this was just done 4 hours ago | 09:28 |
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| mhb | good evening | 10:03 |
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| alteroo | Riddell: ping | 11:41 |
| Riddell | alteroo: hi | 11:53 |
| alteroo | Riddell: Would it make sense to have a Gnome Menu in the KMenu? | 11:53 |
| Riddell | alteroo: I don't like separating classes of applications into a sub-menu | 11:55 |
| Riddell | users don't know what a gnome app is, and they shouldn't have to | 11:55 |
| alteroo | Riddell: Yeah I was trying to think of a threshhold but I guess the Kmenu doesn't work that way | 11:56 |
| Riddell | xdg menus do have a gnome tag, it's users who don't need to care | 11:57 |
| alteroo | If someone has say more than 5 Gnome apps it could prompt for a menu | 11:57 |
| alteroo | Riddell: I know But if Both KDE and Gnome are installed the menus get very messy | 11:57 |
| alteroo | having a way to organize would make people a) more likey to install both and b) More likely to stay in KDE | 11:58 |
| alteroo | Actually thinking about it It wouldn't be a bad idea to have them flip that on manually | 11:58 |
| alteroo | That might solve the problem A bit like the Debian Menu | 11:59 |
| Riddell | yay, more configuration options | 11:59 |
| Riddell | we don't install the debian menu, it's in universe | 11:59 |
| Riddell | if you install applications, they will appear in the menu | 11:59 |
| Riddell | I don't mind a package in universe which does the sub menu, if such is possible | 12:00 |
| alteroo | Riddell: ok There is a deb on the kde-look that sorts out all Gnome apps to a sub menu | 12:02 |
| alteroo | Riddell: Thanks :) | 12:03 |
| Riddell | DaSkreech: put it on revu then | 12:07 |
| DaSkreech | Riddell: sure | 12:07 |
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