=== oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:36] ryanakca: did you get it figured out? === ajmitch_ is now known as ajmitch === goldenear [n=goldenea@2001:6f8:392:1:213:2ff:fe4a:53a7] has joined #kubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@upstream/dev/RadiantFire] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-76-204-9-149.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Daskreech [n=ubuntu@port0034-afo-static-adsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:35] evening [02:36] hi [02:37] helllo [02:38] How are you? [02:38] good, home from a busy day shopping w/ my wife [02:39] so finally checking email, etc [02:40] I read that as shopping for my wife ... [02:40] how was shopping? :) [02:40] it basically was my wife buying stuff for herself... [02:41] Yeah but it's great doing things as a family [02:41] but it was good, because of the amount of time I travel, i rarely get to spend much time with her [02:44] :-) [02:44] and a whole day too. that's a rare treat [03:00] yea it was really nice a whole day [03:00] we went outlet shopping which was like an hour away [03:00] so we w" [03:01] went "out of town" [03:01] on the town :) [03:02] so you know you've been working in vmware too long when the first thing you do to swtich windows is hit ctrl-alt to release the widnwo adn then alt+tab [03:02] while i was in kontact :( [03:11] anyone have Vista? [03:11] Or dual booting with vista to be more precise? [03:15] manchicken_: Heehee [03:19] i have vista [03:19] Dual booting? === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.228.108] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:19] not dual booting, but it is on one of my computers [03:19] someons is saying that the grub guide given no longer works with Vista [03:19] i thought that was correct [03:23] Hmm [03:23] and !sudo has Gnome specific help stuff but no KDE equivi === Knightlust [n=Dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #kubuntu-devel === oslo_ [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db443c9.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:21] Riddell: ping === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.102.227] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-59-132.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:42] Hobbsee: congrats on joining the core dev team! [04:42] claydoh: thankyou :) [04:42] i dunno where eveyrone gets this info from, though [04:43] ubuntu-devel mailing list :)\ [04:43] ahhh :) [04:43] not too high traffic so i noticed it esily === LongPoin1yStick is now known as LongPointyStick [04:49] heh, true === Hobbsee should split her ubuntu-devel and ubuntu-devel-discuss mail [04:49] someone's been going thru teh moderation filter for one of them, bringing large blocks of mail [04:50] OK, what needs immediate attention Hobbsee? let me start working here and get your core-dev skills smokin' :) [04:50] nixternal: hehe. not sure, to be honest [04:51] nixternal: there's still al ot of bugs coming in, and most arent filed upstream [04:51] perhaps you could go thru the kde packages and file usptream, and reject whatever you think upstream wont fix for kde 4? [04:52] we could do that, let me guess...kdepim? [04:54] i was thinking kdelibs [04:54] but any of the big metapackages for kde [04:54] or kdebase [04:54] kdelibs is a black art to me, you may know more on it [04:55] a little bit as I help with one small part of it...kdoctool ;) [04:55] why that is in kdelibs I will never know...but hey, who I am to say anything, just give me a job and away I hack [04:55] man, I have got the most gorgeous beach wallpaper now...I love the colors [04:55] hehe :) [04:57] brb...news is coming on..and then we can bug hack...if you come up with a link, link me...give me about 10 or 15..gotta catch the weather and see how much damage was done in our area from this evenings storms === Daskreech wants :) [04:57] GHNS it :) [04:58] okay [04:58] or better still, have all of them done by the time i come back from work [04:58] :P [04:58] file anything relevatn in debian [05:15] who's up for fixing system settings? [05:17] can the Live DVd be used as an apt repo ? 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[01:46] how's it going? [01:46] evening Hobbsee, seele! :) [01:46] hiya Jucato :) [01:47] oh goody! seele's here :) [01:48] hallo! [01:50] seele: just wanted to ask you something. is there a sort of, um.., "subject" or field of study about making (graphical) user interfaces? [01:52] um more on theoretical/practical stuff, not the coding involved :) [01:52] Jucato: it depends, do you mean technical or design [01:52] design mostly [01:52] ah, well.. it is in practice a very large field, so you could come from very different backgrounds === Jucato is interested in GUI's :D [01:53] interaction and interface design is the most direct [01:53] client or web? [01:53] client [01:53] usability is another way, however i dont think you get enough design theory to do anything too exciting [01:53] aah [01:53] do you look to take classes or just learn more about design and that sort of the thing? [01:54] just learning by myself mostly :( [01:54] ok === Jucato can't go to school... nor does he think any school in the Philippines would offer those kind of things... [01:55] just looking for search terms that I could research on, if there's such a field of study [01:56] basically, I'm very interested in GUI's, interface design most probably. especially like how you create innovative or new designs... without sacrificing usability :) === Jucato looks at a certain Adept :P [01:56] getting to know interface guildeines is probably the best way to get to know client interfaces and their requirements [01:56] hah, yeah [01:57] http://planethci.org/ [01:57] that is a good syndication of blogs, but a lot more web interface [01:57] ah! HCI :) [01:57] yes [01:57] but hci is tricky because it has computer science roots [01:58] and it is less qualitative and more quantitative [01:58] no problem. I'm currently studying programming :) [01:58] there are some good book lists too.. ill have to find some [01:58] i'd stay away from text books unless you want hard-core theory [01:59] one of the easiest activities to start with is a heuristic or expert review [01:59] well, maybe theory and application. would be nice to go hand in hand :) [01:59] if you look up those terms, you will find some guidelines on how to conduct one [01:59] I'm interested in this field mostly because I see a lack of HCI people who are also programmers (or vice versa)... so seeing if I could help in that area :) [02:00] "HCI and Usability people" [02:00] ah, yes.. well there is enough about programming to fill someone's head as much as there is enough hci to fill someone's head [02:00] usually there isnt much room for the other thing once you become an expert, hehe [02:00] :/ [02:00] I'll try my best, then :D [02:01] hehe [02:01] hopefully maybe one day there will be a specialized field for that kind of thing... [02:01] hmm.. maybe, but its the matter of being a jack of all trades, but master of none [02:01] (sound a lot like Konqueror... another UI mess...) [02:01] even in specialities in computer science, you usually pick a field such as security, programming languges, hardware, etc. [02:02] you may be very good in two which complement each other, but it would be hard to know everything about everything [02:02] hm... true.. it will be very hard.... [02:03] maybe I can specialize on programming but take HCI on the sidelines :) [02:04] seele: thanks for the input. at least I know where to start now :) [02:05] I'm still in the non-GUI programming stuff (just learning C++), so I wanted to get an early start :) [02:05] Jucato: sure, if you do anything like an expert review on adept, let me know and ill go through it with you and give you feedback [02:06] seele: thanks! though I don't think I'll be brave enough to tackle Adept just yet... but it has been an itch I couldn't scratch since... um.. the first time I saw it? :D [02:07] adept has a usability plan, the problem is having someone coding it [02:08] hi Riddell [02:08] morning Hobbsee [02:08] seele: you still at linuxtag? [02:08] mornfall still maintaining it on his side? [02:08] (and hi Riddell! :D) [02:09] Riddell: yeah [02:09] seele: did you see the kubuntu vs ubuntu talk? [02:10] http://www.linuxtag.org/2007/en/conf/events/vp-samstag/details.html?talkid=130 [02:10] I'm curious to know if Paul bothered to turn up [02:10] mm, he does seem to be in the right country impressively [02:10] ah, no.. i havent been to any talks, i've been in printing meetins most of the time [02:10] which paul? [02:10] ah [02:11] Hobbsee: you know, the one in our naked photographs [02:11] Riddell: er, i'm damned sure we werent naked.... [02:11] lol :) === Hobbsee thought she was more careful with drinks than that :P [02:12] speaking of naked, I saw Ian McKellan get his kit off last night [02:12] in Shakespear too, so it's cultural and stuff === neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db443c9.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:13] sure sure [02:13] you seemed to have liked this fact. [02:14] Sylvestor McCoy was there too, it's not ofter you get to see Gandalf snogging Dr Who === Hobbsee thinks you still should ahve brought your kilt and such to UDS. === Hobbsee idly hopes that no one decides to quote any part of this log.... [02:18] Riddell: i dont suppose you'd happen to know when Dr Who is on in australia again? === Hobbsee wonders if paul has attempted to chat up Riddell's girlfriend again since UDS. [02:20] I put the photo of me and him in the pool on her desktop background and now she just comments on what a fit body he has, humph [02:20] haha, awww. [02:20] Riddell: you really should have called her earlier [02:20] instead of waiting until the second last night [02:21] my phone was lost! [02:21] Riddell: even when it wasnt lost you still refused to ring her! [02:21] well it costs a fortune [02:21] so does anything [02:21] does voip not exist for your laptop, or something? === Paleo [n=paleo@admin.kollide.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:26] Riddell: actually, if it did, your laptop would probably overheat and shut down [02:26] so probably sensible you werent going to use it [02:26] it would as well [02:26] http://bexless.livejournal.com/617194.html this lady seems to have enjoyed the performance I saw quite a lot [02:29] Riddell: you people are strange... === sahin_h [n=ezaz@dsl5400DB52.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ypsila [n=opera@wrzb-590d9eae.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ypsila [n=opera@wrzb-590d9eae.pool.einsundeins.de] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [02:52] nixternal: how did you go with those bugs? === elcuco [n=elcuco@bzq-82-81-183-120.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:13] grr, why doesn't anyone tell me that my last ffmpeg upload was broken. (fixed now) === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@e180068017.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:26] siretart: does that mean tonio can upload the new kaffeine? [03:36] Riddell: the new kaffeine needs the new xine, right? [03:37] Riddell: after the ubuntu3 version of ffmpeg got built, xine-lib needs to be given back on all archs, === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-59-132.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #kubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@e180068017.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii [n=kwwii@dialin114049.server4you-dsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@p54a726be.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.102.227] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Bent [n=bent@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@59.92.49.12] has joined #kubuntu-devel === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Czessi-m [n=czessi@217.237.166.82] has joined #kubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=sebi@p57aedd94.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@e180068017.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii [n=kwwii@dialin114049.server4you-dsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@123.116.99.251] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:19] Riddell: okay, ffmpeg is ready now. Now we need xine-lib built, then you can have the new kaffeine uploaded [06:19] Riddell: I'd suggest to give-back xine-lib, no idea if mithrandir is working today [06:20] need to run now, cu tomorrow! === lucky_lucas [n=lucas@116.96.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #kubuntu-devel === txwikinger [n=txwiking@sblug/member/txwikinger] has joined #kubuntu-devel === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #kubuntu-devel === TheInfinity [n=TheInfin@p508F0AAB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii_ [n=kwwii@dialin115168.server4you-dsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rouzic [n=rouzic@212.145.63.25] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:19] hmmm. this might be interesting: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KIO+Slave+sysinfo:++-+Kubuntu+7.04+package?content=58704 ... add the sysinfo KIO Slave... [07:19] Riddell: can you upload the kmilo patch please? http://packages.ryanak.ca/pool/ryan-gutsy/kmilo/kdeutils_3.5.7-1ubuntu2.debdiff [07:21] ryanakca: got a URL that the patch came from? [07:21] or a web page with more info rather [07:23] ryanakca: http://blog.guillermoamaral.com/2007/04/14/patch-kde-kmilo-compact-dialog/ ? [07:25] or http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/KMilo+-+Customizable+DefaultSkin?content=56287 [07:25] so we need new kmilo artwork? === ace_suares [n=ace@fupi.suares.an] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:46] hi, I need to start a program from the browser. The program is qemu. Can this be done ? [07:46] I also need to feed qemu some command line options [07:46] I made a file association in Konq with /bin/bash and lo and behold, I can create a html document with a link to a file that will [07:46] start qemu with the desired images and options [07:47] but, it's very unsafe, of course. [07:47] so, I'd lik to start qemu instead of bash, but how do I feed the command line options ? [07:48] ace_suares: this is a development channel, and it is the weekend, so an asnwer to that would be easier to get in #kubuntu the support channel === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #kubuntu-devel === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:04] nixternal: okidoki. === ace_suares [n=ace@fupi.suares.an] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Must...] === kuecan [n=hua_@122.0.231.208] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:30] huh? where did guidance go? there is no extragear/utils === toma [n=toma@84-53-90-221.wxdsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Arby [n=richard@82.152.169.97] has joined #kubuntu-devel === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Dinofly [n=dinofly@mar92-13-88-165-255-149.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:18] yuriy: probably moved to extragear for kde 3, whereever that is [09:18] try branches [09:26] ah, that makes sense, thanks [09:28] hmm i guess this was just done 4 hours ago === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii [n=kwwii@dialin115168.server4you-dsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii_ [n=kwwii@dialin118246.server4you-dsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:03] good evening === marseillai_ [n=mars@AMarseille-156-1-135-99.w86-197.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rouzic [n=rouzic@87.221.22.136] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-90156.0x5734b54a.naenxx14.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #kubuntu-devel === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai [n=mars@AMarseille-156-1-135-99.w86-197.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === elcuco [n=elcuco@bzq-82-81-183-120.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === superstoned [n=supersto@86.92.111.236] has joined #kubuntu-devel === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #kubuntu-devel === alteroo [n=alteroo@port0034-afo-static-adsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:41] Riddell: ping [11:53] alteroo: hi [11:53] Riddell: Would it make sense to have a Gnome Menu in the KMenu? [11:55] alteroo: I don't like separating classes of applications into a sub-menu [11:55] users don't know what a gnome app is, and they shouldn't have to [11:56] Riddell: Yeah I was trying to think of a threshhold but I guess the Kmenu doesn't work that way [11:57] xdg menus do have a gnome tag, it's users who don't need to care [11:57] If someone has say more than 5 Gnome apps it could prompt for a menu [11:57] Riddell: I know But if Both KDE and Gnome are installed the menus get very messy [11:58] having a way to organize would make people a) more likey to install both and b) More likely to stay in KDE [11:58] Actually thinking about it It wouldn't be a bad idea to have them flip that on manually [11:59] That might solve the problem A bit like the Debian Menu [11:59] yay, more configuration options [11:59] we don't install the debian menu, it's in universe [11:59] if you install applications, they will appear in the menu [12:00] I don't mind a package in universe which does the sub menu, if such is possible [12:02] Riddell: ok There is a deb on the kde-look that sorts out all Gnome apps to a sub menu [12:03] Riddell: Thanks :) [12:07] DaSkreech: put it on revu then [12:07] Riddell: sure