[01:10] <defcon> parag0n__,
[01:10] <defcon> sick idea
[01:10] <defcon> try launchpad
[01:13] <bibbybob> anyone have any oscon discount codes?
[02:12] <bluefoxicy> How is ubuntu+1 running at the moment?  Anything horribly broken?
[02:13] <DanaG> My gconf broke, and my kcontrol is empty, but it may be just me.
[02:13] <bluefoxicy> I don't mind a knock here and there but I'm not upgrading if X isn't going to work for the rest of the week ;)
[02:13] <bluefoxicy> hmn.
[02:13] <DanaG> I fixed gconf, but Gnome still takes nearly a minute to log in.
[02:13] <bluefoxicy> gconf broke, you mean it dropped all your settings?  mine does that a lot anyway, it's an unstable crap heap >/
[02:16] <crimsun> then just run gutsy in a chroot
[04:26] <scotth> hello all, how is gutsy doing? Any major breakage?
[04:26] <scotth> I'm getting that itch and looking for a reason not to upgrade
[04:33] <Dana1> Odd, my gnome takes about 60 seconds to log in.
[04:34] <Dana1> And it's stalled without any hard drive activity.
[04:35] <AnRkey> DanaG, do you mount any SMB or NFS shares at boot time?
[04:35] <AnRkey> I had slow logins when I added mount commands to my login session
[04:35] <AnRkey> the problem was that some of the share where not available
[04:36] <DanaG> Nope.
[04:36] <DanaG> Before, my gconf was completely broken; I had to do this:
[04:36] <DanaG> find /usr/share/gconf/schemas/ -exec gconftool --install-schema-file {}  \;
[04:37] <DanaG> Nearly 100% of the schemas were missing in my .gconf.
[04:38] <DanaG> odd: Gtk-WARNING **: This process is currently running setuid or setg
[04:38] <DanaG> id.
[04:38] <DanaG> How do I find out WHAT was trying to do that?  It's not a very helpful message.
[04:39] <DanaG> ***MEMORY-WARNING***: gconf-sanity-check-2[6534] : GSlice: g_thread_init() must be called before all other GLib functions; memory corruption due to late invocation of g_thread_init() has been detected; this program is likely to crash, leak or unexpectedly abort soon...
[04:40] <DanaG> and this: DCOPClient::attachInternal. Attach failed Could not open network socket
[04:40] <Hobbsee> you're not running KDE, which is why DCOP would be failing, iirc.
[04:41] <DanaG> aah, well, that explains at least that part.
[04:41] <scotth> anyone? reason not to go gutsy?
[04:41] <DanaG> But I am getting a helluvalot of those glib memory warnings.
[05:08] <DanaG> Aagh, kcontrol is still empty.
[05:15] <Hobbsee> system settings is still borken too
[05:20] <DanaG> hmm, interesting Gaim/Pidgin plugin: execute commands and send the output.
[05:20] <DanaG> Linux m685 2.6.22-5-generic #1 SMP Sat May 19 01:01:22 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[05:20] <DanaG> (that was "!uname -a")
[05:22] <DanaG> but be wary of paste-ey-ness.
[05:24] <DanaG> Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.14rc4 (Wed May 16 09:45:46 2007 UTC).
[05:24] <DanaG> that was !cat /proc/asound/version
[05:24] <scotth> that looks pretty sweet
[05:25] <scotth> useful for debug, though you would have to be careful of flood
[05:27] <DanaG> Yeah, I kicked myself by messaging nickserv (and then myself) with !help
[05:28] <DanaG> GNU bash, version 3.2.17(1)-release (i486-pc-linux-gnu)
[05:28] <DanaG> These shell commands are defined internally.  Type `help' to see this list.                   ..... and so on.
[05:31] <DanaG> ooh: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/KDesktop+Menu?content=22605
[05:32] <DanaG> nVidia Geforce Go 7600
[05:32] <DanaG> => GPU temperature: 52C
[05:33] <scotth> DanaG: your having fun with that plugin
[05:42] <DanaG> Oh, and I'm at a hotel that offers "free high-speed internet!" -- but is 64 kilobytes per second really high speed, especially when it repeatedly drops out?  I think not.
[05:44] <Hobbsee> must be in NZ.
[05:45] <DanaG> Nope, Long Beach.
[05:45] <DanaG> Holiday Inn.
[05:46] <crimsun> yes it's high speed.
[05:46] <crimsun> I'm on a 56kbps dialup.
[05:46] <Hobbsee> for people like crimsun, yeah it would be
[05:46] <jeremyb> weird that they actually have their own netblock allocated
[05:47] <DanaG> yay-ness.  :|   http://guest.ichotelsgroup.com/dining_options/default.aspx
[05:47] <DanaG> Oh, now it's 30 kB/sec.
[05:48] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and with the new 2.6.22-5 kernel, I get a freeze on resume, rather than on suspend as on -4.
[05:48] <crimsun> you've been outdated for ages
[05:49] <DanaG> Oh, perhaps mirrors.kernel.org is behind.... time to change back to us.archive.ubuntu.com, then.
[05:50] <Hobbsee> DanaG: s/us.//
[05:50] <DanaG> Oh heck, I have those enabled too.  http://san1.csc.calpoly.edu/ubuntu     http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/
[05:50] <crimsun> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  1754552 2007-05-29 12:06 vmlinuz-2.6.22-6-generic
[05:50] <crimsun> been running -6- since the 29th.
[05:50] <Hobbsee> it's annoying that they're not updating the metapackage
[05:50] <DanaG> Wow.
[05:51] <crimsun> heh, even I'm outdated.
[05:51] <DanaG> It's especially annoying when a bunch of packages decide they're new, so I lose the REAL new packages among those.
[05:51] <crimsun> I'm only on 6.12
[05:51] <DanaG> Linux m685 2.6.22-5-generic #1 SMP Sat May 19 01:01:22 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[05:51] <DanaG> yay, plugin.
[05:51] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~$ madison vmlinuz-2.6.22-6-generic
[05:52] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~$
[05:52] <Hobbsee> crimsun: is that only in git somewhere?
[05:52] <DanaG> http://www.kalpiknigam.com/blog/2007/05/12/install-pidgin-200-on-ubuntu-feisty-with-all-plugins/
[05:52] <Hobbsee> a.u.c doesnt seem to know about it
[05:52] <DanaG> That's where I got the plugins.  Caution: some plugins make Gaim crash.
[05:53] <DanaG> s/Gaim/Pidgin/
[05:53] <DanaG> In Windows, I got so used to hitting <start>-<g> for pinned Gaim, that I renamed Pidgin to
[05:53] <DanaG> "Gaah, Pidgin stole my P!"
[05:53] <crimsun> Hobbsee: LP.
[05:54] <crimsun> I tend to not wait for binary NEW
[05:54] <Hobbsee> crimsun: sorry?
[05:54] <Hobbsee> crimsun: ahhh
[05:54] <r00tintheb0x> heh
[05:54] <Hobbsee> point
[05:54] <crimsun> exploit the LP bug.
[05:54] <Hobbsee> yep, yep
[06:01] <DanaG> s/by/in/
[06:01] <Hobbsee> crimsun: that does require finding all the relevant binaries, though
[06:02] <Hobbsee> DanaG: yes, it hasnt gone thru to the archives yet
[06:04] <DanaG> I also wonder why Linux sees the device, yet Windows doesn't.
[06:05] <DanaG> modinfo iTCO_wdt | head -n 5 | tail -n 1 gives
[06:05] <DanaG> description:    Intel TCO WatchDog Timer Driver
[06:06] <crimsun> Hobbsee: true, though it's just due diligence under the Resulting Binaries dropdown
[06:06] <crimsun> Linux Box 2.6.22-6-generic #1 SMP Fri Jun 1 19:24:12 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[06:06] <Hobbsee> crimsun: point.  anything of great interest in there?
[06:06] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I like to see changelogs before updating.
[06:07] <DanaG> In about two weeks, I'll have more time to deal with bug reports: kernel oops on toggle capture on A2 ZS Notebook.
[06:08] <crimsun> Hobbsee: some more stuff for power saving
[06:08] <Hobbsee> neat :)
[06:08] <crimsun> and the usual boatload of fixes pulled in from 22-rc3
[06:08] <DanaG> Oh, I google for i8042 interrupts, I get OLPC mailing list.
[06:09] <crimsun> gutsy is definitely a bit eccentric momentarily.
[06:09] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:10] <DanaG> When I first went to dist-upgrade, I set sources.list to "gusty" -- and then thought, "WTF, 404?"
[06:10] <crimsun> the flatulent Ubuntu devel branch!
[06:11] <DanaG> It seems similar to Breezy.
[06:11] <DanaG> ooh, lshw-gtk is useful.
[06:14] <DanaG> At least it's better than Yoni, er, Yonah.
[06:14] <DanaG> (deliberate "slip")
[06:21] <DanaG> bad idea: /exec yes
[06:21] <DanaG> with that plugin.
[06:22] <Hobbsee> crimsun: darn you.  now grabbing the relevant binaries
[06:23] <Hobbsee> crimsun: bah.  l-r-m is in depwait.
[06:25] <DanaG> Now I had to rm that log
[06:27] <crimsun> silly Hobbsee :-)
[06:27] <r00tintheb0x> Anyone got any "hard" problems they want to throw @ me, please feel free to do so.
[06:28] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:28] <crimsun> r00tintheb0x: seriously?
[06:29] <Hobbsee> crimsun: dont even think of giving him ALSA.
[06:29] <crimsun> no, I'll give one that makes ALSA pale.
[06:30] <Hobbsee> oh?
[06:31] <netham45> hry
[06:31] <netham45> hey*
[06:31] <netham45> the link to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule in the topic doesn't work.
[06:31] <netham45> at least not for me.
[06:32] <crimsun> netham45: yeah, your route sucks or something.
[06:32] <crimsun> no offense intended.
[06:32] <netham45> yea
[06:32] <netham45> I know what that means
[06:32] <netham45> wait
[06:32] <netham45> if I turn https into http, it works
[06:32] <DanaG> http://www.theperfectgift.org.uk/
[06:32] <netham45> is there a beta of Gutsy out?
[06:33] <DanaG> The route to login.oscar.aol.com was broken.
[06:33] <crdlb> not even an alpha
[06:33] <DanaG> thank goodness for Gaim on an ssh server.
[06:33] <netham45> ok
[06:33] <netham45> j/w
[06:33] <netham45> Feisty came out like a month ago
[06:33] <netham45> so yea
[06:34] <DanaG> Hmm, I want a qt-gtk engine, or at the very least, a human-ubuntulooks QT theme.
[06:35] <Hobbsee> gtk-qt-engines exists
[06:35] <DanaG> Oh, and I don't get why everything is orange, and then the metacity theme is brownish.
[06:35] <DanaG> I want either all orange, or all brown.
[06:35] <Hobbsee> change it/
[06:35] <Hobbsee> or cant you do that with gnome?
[06:35] <DanaG> It's not quite the same.
[06:38] <Hobbsee> silly gnome.
[06:40] <DanaG> I mean, it doesn't feel the same.
[06:44] <crimsun> I skip the mess and use the Ubuntu Studio 7.04 default theme.
[06:44] <defcon> gnome better than kde?
[06:45] <DanaG> debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Dialog
[06:45] <DanaG> debconf: (Dialog frontend will not work on a dumb terminal, an emacs shell buffer, or without a controlling terminal.)
[06:45] <DanaG> debconf: falling back to frontend: Readline
[06:46] <defcon> i see that kcontrol doesnt work in gutsy
[06:46] <defcon> any work around known
[06:46] <scotth> defcon: try them both and descide for yourself, both are good enough and both have their own strengths
[06:47] <defcon> scotth, what do you use, and why?
[06:47] <defcon> i like both as well, cant decide
[06:47] <defcon> hehe
[06:47] <DanaG> Look in Lost and Found.
[06:47] <scotth> I use gnome, I tried using kde but it took too much of my time to tell it things I think gnome figures out for itself
[06:48] <DanaG> Note that bulky != bloaty.
[06:49] <scotth> yeah, that too, but my friend keeps telling me that has changed since I last used it
[06:49] <DanaG> http://ctho.ath.cx/tmp/moz/326877evil2.xul
[06:49] <DanaG> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=259240
[06:49] <defcon> scotth, I agree with u :)
[06:49] <defcon> kde=too bloated and slow, and takes too much time
[06:50] <scotth> my general rule of thumb is that a computer shouldn't ask me about stuff that it can guess at and get correct 90% of the time
[06:50] <DanaG> Actually, for me, Gnome takes 60 seconds of sitting there doing nothing, before finally opening.
[06:50] <scotth> well desktop, I like it when servers ask me questions
[06:50] <DanaG> Oh, and KBFX says my KDE menu system is broken.
[06:50] <scotth> DanaG: that sounds like something is broken
[06:50] <crimsun> I normally find all desktop environments' performance equally sluggish
[06:51] <scotth> crimsun: core 2 duo... I don't have that problem :-D
[06:51] <DanaG> Yonah 1.83GHz here.
[06:52] <crimsun> doesn't matter what CPU(s) you have
[06:52] <crimsun> the complexity and poor coding practices scale up with hardware power.
[06:52] <DanaG> 80GB 5400RPM.  :(
[06:53] <scotth> going from an 800mhz ibookg4 to my current system really gave me a nice boost
[06:53] <crimsun> I'm sure you can find some configuration that will bring your current hardware to its knees.
[06:54] <defcon> anyone have problems with gdesklets and gutsy?
[06:54] <scotth> yeah, its called evolution
[06:57] <scotth> I wish gnome had something like epiphany for email, maybe based on tinymail
[06:57] <crimsun> evolution seems to work well as long as my trash folder is smaller than one million email entries.
[06:58] <scotth> subscribed to a lot of mailing lists?
[07:00] <crimsun> a few
[07:00] <crimsun> I just get a crapload of emails via clients, students, colleagues, etc.
[07:01] <scotth> ahh, I have thunderbird set to clear the trash on exit
[07:01] <tritium> evolution works poorly with exchange, in my experience
[07:02] <scotth> and groupwise in my experience
[07:04] <crimsun> you should use Outlook Web !
[07:07] <DanaG> Oh, and the daemon won't start.
[07:08] <tritium> Outlook Web!  Are you insane?
[07:08] <scotth> DanaG: you have to have a tpm in your system
[07:09] <scotth> I believe
[07:09] <scotth> its for the trusted computing crap, drm and such
[07:10] <scotth> I hear its useful for any time you have to deal with other peoples records, i.e medical, financial
[07:10] <DanaG> I have a TPM chip, but I have yet to find anything to do with it.
[07:11] <scotth> ahh, well youve passed where I'm useful
[07:15] <r00tintheb0x> Anyone with advanced problems that no one else can seem to solve... please don't hesitate to contact me. If i don't answer right away, thats because im in #guruhelp. :D
[07:36] <DanaG> s/he can use/there's any point to using/
[07:36] <scotth> probably not
[07:37] <scotth> I don't think it was meant for that kinda thing
[07:43] <DanaG> http://trousers.sourceforge.net/tpm_keyring2/quickstart.html
[07:43] <DanaG> hmm.
[09:27] <llol> anyone here
[09:27] <llol> ?
[09:43] <ajmorris_> anyone else experiencing slow application loading time after installing the current gutsy updates?
[09:44] <lemonade> ajmorris_: i'm experiencing lots of dm-linear errors in my log
[09:44] <lemonade> ajmorris_: and it causes software load and work slowly on my computer
[09:45] <ajmorris_> that would be what it is
[09:45] <ajmorris_> which log you talking about?
[09:48] <lemonade> dmesg
[09:48] <ajmorris_> kk
[09:48] <lemonade> it's a filed bug and fix is on way
[09:49] <ajmorris_> ah
[09:49] <ajmorris_> good good
[09:49] <ajmorris_> :)
[11:03] <ajmorris_> anyone got the smb shares working in gutsy?
[11:03] <ajmorris_> when i click share, it doesn't actually share it
[11:13] <ajmorris_> has anyone successfully got SMB sharing working?
[11:14] <ajmorris_> when i share a folder, it doesn't actually share
[11:18] <gnomefreak> ajmorris_: did you try filing a bug?
[11:19] <ajmorris_> not yeat
[11:19] <ajmorris_> *yet
[11:19] <gnomefreak> ajmorris_: always start with filing a bug (as first line of support with devel versions)
[11:19] <ajmorris_> wanted to make sure i wasnt the only one first
[11:19] <gnomefreak> ajmorris_: only one in this channel doesnt mean you are only one. but iirc i havent seen that issue yet
[11:20] <ajmorris_> kk
[11:20] <ajmorris_> tks
[01:14] <jovans> is there no legacy kernel in gutsy repo?
[02:29] <so1> hi
[02:30] <so1> is there already a date when the new fglrx driver will be uploaded?
[02:30] <so1> it finally supports xserver 1.3
[02:31] <Hobbsee> i suspect "when it's uploaded"
[02:31] <so1> :-)
[02:33] <so1> do you suspect a specific date for that? :-)
[02:36] <Hobbsee> nope
[02:36] <Hobbsee> "when i'ts done"
[02:42] <so1> ok ...
[02:42] <so1> who does it?
[02:43] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure
[02:43] <Hobbsee> whoever's interested in X, i guess
[03:49] <h3sp4wn> Does the current gutsy kernel have mac80211 (for ralink ?)
[03:50] <h3sp4wn> Infact that was a silly question I know it has the stack - but not which drivers it has working with that stack
[06:37] <Pathum> Can anyone help me with Kopete?
[06:40] <Pathum> Can anyone help me with Kopete?
[06:41] <Hobbsee> what about it?
[06:42] <eddyMul> not sure if I should ask this here....
[06:42] <Pathum> Well i don't know how to get the Yahoo rooms list
[06:42] <eddyMul> but, is there a way for me to install a gutsy package in feisty?
[06:43] <Hobbsee> eddyMul: depends what it is
[06:43] <eddyMul> Hobbsee: python-django
[06:43] <eddyMul> (no, not glibc...  )   :)
[06:43] <Hobbsee> eddyMul: you can try.  usually not recommended.  it may just install for you, else you'd need to rebuild it, and anything else it depends on in gutsy, that isnt in feisty
[06:44] <eddyMul> Hobbsee: I understand that it's not recommended...
[06:44] <Hobbsee> Pathum: no idea if that's supported in kopete.  i thought that was a web thing, actually
[06:44] <eddyMul> but how can I do it? (I'm a n00b to Ubuntu). Do I just pull the .deb file and double-click it?
[06:45] <Hobbsee> yes...
[06:45] <Hobbsee> that's what you can try first
[06:45] <eddyMul> Hobbsee: so, I just pull the orig and the diff tarballs, and try do build away. is that it?
[06:45] <Pathum> k
[06:46] <eddyMul> Hobbsee: (yesterday, I was running Gentoo....)
[06:46] <Hobbsee> eddyMul: grab gutsy source, dpkg-buildpackage -b inside the source dir
[06:46] <Hobbsee> but you may be able to just install it, without messing with dependancies
[06:46] <Pathum> I need help.....pls
[06:47] <eddyMul> Hobbsee: I will try it. thanx
[06:47] <Pathum> Hobbsee, i need to get the Yahoo rooms list in Kopete
[06:48] <eddyMul> Hobbsee: from packages.ubuntu.org, the dep-s are similar. so it will probably work.
[06:48] <eddyMul> thanx, Hobbsee (and sweet dreams)
[07:54] <DanaG> Unable to attach to mixer dmix: No such file or directory
[07:54] <DanaG> in running pulseaudio.
[08:01] <DanaG> ALSA lib control.c:910: (snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL dmix
[10:16] <DanaG> Linux m685 2.6.22-5-generic #1 SMP Sat May 19 01:01:22 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[10:59] <OzZY85> I am trying to install Feisty AMD x64, and when i try to boot it, it gets stuck on configuring network interfaces
[10:59] <OzZY85> any suggestions
[11:02] <DanaG> Wait for it to time out after 60 seconds, perhaps.
[11:02] <DanaG> Unless it's been longer that; in that case, something else will be the issue.
[11:02] <OzZY85> i tried pressing Ctrl-C
[11:02] <DanaG> You can try booting again without "quiet splash" in boot options.
[11:05] <DanaG> Though this channel is for Gutsy.