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| defcon | parag0n__, | 01:10 |
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| defcon | sick idea | 01:10 |
| defcon | try launchpad | 01:10 |
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| bibbybob | anyone have any oscon discount codes? | 01:13 |
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| bluefoxicy | How is ubuntu+1 running at the moment? Anything horribly broken? | 02:12 |
| DanaG | My gconf broke, and my kcontrol is empty, but it may be just me. | 02:13 |
| bluefoxicy | I don't mind a knock here and there but I'm not upgrading if X isn't going to work for the rest of the week ;) | 02:13 |
| bluefoxicy | hmn. | 02:13 |
| DanaG | I fixed gconf, but Gnome still takes nearly a minute to log in. | 02:13 |
| bluefoxicy | gconf broke, you mean it dropped all your settings? mine does that a lot anyway, it's an unstable crap heap >/ | 02:13 |
| === bluefoxicy is already on the .22 kernel. Toys with the idea of upgrading everything now.. it's firefox 3.0 that's holding him back, he's not sure he wants to jump into an unstable distro he can't downgrade from | ||
| crimsun | then just run gutsy in a chroot | 02:16 |
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| scotth | hello all, how is gutsy doing? Any major breakage? | 04:26 |
| scotth | I'm getting that itch and looking for a reason not to upgrade | 04:26 |
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| Dana1 | Odd, my gnome takes about 60 seconds to log in. | 04:33 |
| Dana1 | And it's stalled without any hard drive activity. | 04:34 |
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| AnRkey | DanaG, do you mount any SMB or NFS shares at boot time? | 04:35 |
| AnRkey | I had slow logins when I added mount commands to my login session | 04:35 |
| AnRkey | the problem was that some of the share where not available | 04:35 |
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| DanaG | Nope. | 04:36 |
| DanaG | Before, my gconf was completely broken; I had to do this: | 04:36 |
| DanaG | find /usr/share/gconf/schemas/ -exec gconftool --install-schema-file {} \; | 04:36 |
| DanaG | Nearly 100% of the schemas were missing in my .gconf. | 04:37 |
| DanaG | odd: Gtk-WARNING **: This process is currently running setuid or setg | 04:38 |
| DanaG | id. | 04:38 |
| DanaG | How do I find out WHAT was trying to do that? It's not a very helpful message. | 04:38 |
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| DanaG | ***MEMORY-WARNING***: gconf-sanity-check-2[6534] : GSlice: g_thread_init() must be called before all other GLib functions; memory corruption due to late invocation of g_thread_init() has been detected; this program is likely to crash, leak or unexpectedly abort soon... | 04:39 |
| DanaG | and this: DCOPClient::attachInternal. Attach failed Could not open network socket | 04:40 |
| Hobbsee | you're not running KDE, which is why DCOP would be failing, iirc. | 04:40 |
| DanaG | aah, well, that explains at least that part. | 04:41 |
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| scotth | anyone? reason not to go gutsy? | 04:41 |
| DanaG | But I am getting a helluvalot of those glib memory warnings. | 04:41 |
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| DanaG | Aagh, kcontrol is still empty. | 05:08 |
| Hobbsee | system settings is still borken too | 05:15 |
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| DanaG | hmm, interesting Gaim/Pidgin plugin: execute commands and send the output. | 05:20 |
| DanaG | Linux m685 2.6.22-5-generic #1 SMP Sat May 19 01:01:22 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux | 05:20 |
| DanaG | (that was "!uname -a") | 05:20 |
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| DanaG | but be wary of paste-ey-ness. | 05:22 |
| DanaG | Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.14rc4 (Wed May 16 09:45:46 2007 UTC). | 05:24 |
| DanaG | that was !cat /proc/asound/version | 05:24 |
| scotth | that looks pretty sweet | 05:24 |
| scotth | useful for debug, though you would have to be careful of flood | 05:25 |
| DanaG | Yeah, I kicked myself by messaging nickserv (and then myself) with !help | 05:27 |
| DanaG | GNU bash, version 3.2.17(1)-release (i486-pc-linux-gnu) | 05:28 |
| DanaG | These shell commands are defined internally. Type `help' to see this list. ..... and so on. | 05:28 |
| DanaG | ooh: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/KDesktop+Menu?content=22605 | 05:31 |
| DanaG | nVidia Geforce Go 7600 | 05:32 |
| DanaG | => GPU temperature: 52C | 05:32 |
| scotth | DanaG: your having fun with that plugin | 05:33 |
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| DanaG | Oh, and I'm at a hotel that offers "free high-speed internet!" -- but is 64 kilobytes per second really high speed, especially when it repeatedly drops out? I think not. | 05:42 |
| Hobbsee | must be in NZ. | 05:44 |
| DanaG | Nope, Long Beach. | 05:45 |
| DanaG | Holiday Inn. | 05:45 |
| crimsun | yes it's high speed. | 05:46 |
| crimsun | I'm on a 56kbps dialup. | 05:46 |
| Hobbsee | for people like crimsun, yeah it would be | 05:46 |
| jeremyb | weird that they actually have their own netblock allocated | 05:46 |
| DanaG | yay-ness. :| http://guest.ichotelsgroup.com/dining_options/default.aspx | 05:47 |
| DanaG | Oh, now it's 30 kB/sec. | 05:47 |
| DanaG | Oh yeah, and with the new 2.6.22-5 kernel, I get a freeze on resume, rather than on suspend as on -4. | 05:48 |
| crimsun | you've been outdated for ages | 05:48 |
| DanaG | Oh, perhaps mirrors.kernel.org is behind.... time to change back to us.archive.ubuntu.com, then. | 05:49 |
| Hobbsee | DanaG: s/us.// | 05:50 |
| DanaG | Oh heck, I have those enabled too. http://san1.csc.calpoly.edu/ubuntu http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/ | 05:50 |
| crimsun | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1754552 2007-05-29 12:06 vmlinuz-2.6.22-6-generic | 05:50 |
| crimsun | been running -6- since the 29th. | 05:50 |
| Hobbsee | it's annoying that they're not updating the metapackage | 05:50 |
| DanaG | Wow. | 05:50 |
| crimsun | heh, even I'm outdated. | 05:51 |
| DanaG | It's especially annoying when a bunch of packages decide they're new, so I lose the REAL new packages among those. | 05:51 |
| crimsun | I'm only on 6.12 | 05:51 |
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| DanaG | Linux m685 2.6.22-5-generic #1 SMP Sat May 19 01:01:22 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux | 05:51 |
| DanaG | yay, plugin. | 05:51 |
| Hobbsee | sarah@LongPointyStick:~$ madison vmlinuz-2.6.22-6-generic | 05:51 |
| Hobbsee | sarah@LongPointyStick:~$ | 05:52 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: is that only in git somewhere? | 05:52 |
| DanaG | http://www.kalpiknigam.com/blog/2007/05/12/install-pidgin-200-on-ubuntu-feisty-with-all-plugins/ | 05:52 |
| Hobbsee | a.u.c doesnt seem to know about it | 05:52 |
| DanaG | That's where I got the plugins. Caution: some plugins make Gaim crash. | 05:52 |
| DanaG | s/Gaim/Pidgin/ | 05:53 |
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| DanaG | In Windows, I got so used to hitting <start>-<g> for pinned Gaim, that I renamed Pidgin to | 05:53 |
| === Hobbsee notes that bugs reported by you may now not be due to pidgin, but the plugins | ||
| DanaG | "Gaah, Pidgin stole my P!" | 05:53 |
| crimsun | Hobbsee: LP. | 05:53 |
| === DanaG now won't report bugs on Pidgin. | ||
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| crimsun | I tend to not wait for binary NEW | 05:54 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: sorry? | 05:54 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: ahhh | 05:54 |
| r00tintheb0x | heh | 05:54 |
| Hobbsee | point | 05:54 |
| crimsun | exploit the LP bug. | 05:54 |
| Hobbsee | yep, yep | 05:54 |
| === DanaG is curious what tpm-tools will be useful for. | ||
| === DanaG just noticed he got lost by the last few lines of conversation. | ||
| DanaG | s/by/in/ | 06:01 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: that does require finding all the relevant binaries, though | 06:01 |
| === DanaG doesn't see a -6 | ||
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| Hobbsee | DanaG: yes, it hasnt gone thru to the archives yet | 06:02 |
| === DanaG noticed: iTCO_wdt isn't blacklisted, perhaps due to its odd capitalization. | ||
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| DanaG | I also wonder why Linux sees the device, yet Windows doesn't. | 06:04 |
| DanaG | modinfo iTCO_wdt | head -n 5 | tail -n 1 gives | 06:05 |
| DanaG | description: Intel TCO WatchDog Timer Driver | 06:05 |
| crimsun | Hobbsee: true, though it's just due diligence under the Resulting Binaries dropdown | 06:06 |
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| crimsun | Linux Box 2.6.22-6-generic #1 SMP Fri Jun 1 19:24:12 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux | 06:06 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: point. anything of great interest in there? | 06:06 |
| DanaG | Oh yeah, I like to see changelogs before updating. | 06:06 |
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| DanaG | In about two weeks, I'll have more time to deal with bug reports: kernel oops on toggle capture on A2 ZS Notebook. | 06:07 |
| crimsun | Hobbsee: some more stuff for power saving | 06:08 |
| Hobbsee | neat :) | 06:08 |
| crimsun | and the usual boatload of fixes pulled in from 22-rc3 | 06:08 |
| DanaG | Oh, I google for i8042 interrupts, I get OLPC mailing list. | 06:08 |
| crimsun | gutsy is definitely a bit eccentric momentarily. | 06:09 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 06:09 |
| DanaG | When I first went to dist-upgrade, I set sources.list to "gusty" -- and then thought, "WTF, 404?" | 06:10 |
| crimsun | the flatulent Ubuntu devel branch! | 06:10 |
| DanaG | It seems similar to Breezy. | 06:11 |
| DanaG | ooh, lshw-gtk is useful. | 06:11 |
| === DanaG wonders where the name "yenta" came from. | ||
| DanaG | At least it's better than Yoni, er, Yonah. | 06:14 |
| DanaG | (deliberate "slip") | 06:14 |
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| DanaG | bad idea: /exec yes | 06:21 |
| DanaG | with that plugin. | 06:21 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: darn you. now grabbing the relevant binaries | 06:22 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: bah. l-r-m is in depwait. | 06:23 |
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| DanaG | Now I had to rm that log | 06:25 |
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| crimsun | silly Hobbsee :-) | 06:27 |
| r00tintheb0x | Anyone got any "hard" problems they want to throw @ me, please feel free to do so. | 06:27 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 06:28 |
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| crimsun | r00tintheb0x: seriously? | 06:28 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: dont even think of giving him ALSA. | 06:29 |
| crimsun | no, I'll give one that makes ALSA pale. | 06:29 |
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| Hobbsee | oh? | 06:30 |
| netham45 | hry | 06:31 |
| netham45 | hey* | 06:31 |
| netham45 | the link to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule in the topic doesn't work. | 06:31 |
| netham45 | at least not for me. | 06:31 |
| crimsun | netham45: yeah, your route sucks or something. | 06:32 |
| crimsun | no offense intended. | 06:32 |
| netham45 | yea | 06:32 |
| netham45 | I know what that means | 06:32 |
| netham45 | wait | 06:32 |
| netham45 | if I turn https into http, it works | 06:32 |
| DanaG | http://www.theperfectgift.org.uk/ | 06:32 |
| === DanaG had Charter be broken a while ago. | ||
| netham45 | is there a beta of Gutsy out? | 06:32 |
| DanaG | The route to login.oscar.aol.com was broken. | 06:33 |
| crdlb | not even an alpha | 06:33 |
| DanaG | thank goodness for Gaim on an ssh server. | 06:33 |
| netham45 | ok | 06:33 |
| netham45 | j/w | 06:33 |
| netham45 | Feisty came out like a month ago | 06:33 |
| netham45 | so yea | 06:33 |
| === Hobbsee ponders if there's anything she wants ot get in before main freeze | ||
| DanaG | Hmm, I want a qt-gtk engine, or at the very least, a human-ubuntulooks QT theme. | 06:34 |
| Hobbsee | gtk-qt-engines exists | 06:35 |
| DanaG | Oh, and I don't get why everything is orange, and then the metacity theme is brownish. | 06:35 |
| DanaG | I want either all orange, or all brown. | 06:35 |
| Hobbsee | change it/ | 06:35 |
| Hobbsee | or cant you do that with gnome? | 06:35 |
| DanaG | It's not quite the same. | 06:35 |
| Hobbsee | silly gnome. | 06:38 |
| DanaG | I mean, it doesn't feel the same. | 06:40 |
| crimsun | I skip the mess and use the Ubuntu Studio 7.04 default theme. | 06:44 |
| defcon | gnome better than kde? | 06:44 |
| DanaG | debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Dialog | 06:45 |
| DanaG | debconf: (Dialog frontend will not work on a dumb terminal, an emacs shell buffer, or without a controlling terminal.) | 06:45 |
| DanaG | debconf: falling back to frontend: Readline | 06:45 |
| defcon | i see that kcontrol doesnt work in gutsy | 06:46 |
| defcon | any work around known | 06:46 |
| scotth | defcon: try them both and descide for yourself, both are good enough and both have their own strengths | 06:46 |
| defcon | scotth, what do you use, and why? | 06:47 |
| defcon | i like both as well, cant decide | 06:47 |
| defcon | hehe | 06:47 |
| DanaG | Look in Lost and Found. | 06:47 |
| scotth | I use gnome, I tried using kde but it took too much of my time to tell it things I think gnome figures out for itself | 06:47 |
| === DanaG uses Gnome because KDE feels bulky. | ||
| DanaG | Note that bulky != bloaty. | 06:48 |
| scotth | yeah, that too, but my friend keeps telling me that has changed since I last used it | 06:49 |
| DanaG | http://ctho.ath.cx/tmp/moz/326877evil2.xul | 06:49 |
| DanaG | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=259240 | 06:49 |
| defcon | scotth, I agree with u :) | 06:49 |
| defcon | kde=too bloated and slow, and takes too much time | 06:49 |
| scotth | my general rule of thumb is that a computer shouldn't ask me about stuff that it can guess at and get correct 90% of the time | 06:50 |
| DanaG | Actually, for me, Gnome takes 60 seconds of sitting there doing nothing, before finally opening. | 06:50 |
| scotth | well desktop, I like it when servers ask me questions | 06:50 |
| DanaG | Oh, and KBFX says my KDE menu system is broken. | 06:50 |
| scotth | DanaG: that sounds like something is broken | 06:50 |
| crimsun | I normally find all desktop environments' performance equally sluggish | 06:50 |
| scotth | crimsun: core 2 duo... I don't have that problem :-D | 06:51 |
| DanaG | Yonah 1.83GHz here. | 06:51 |
| crimsun | doesn't matter what CPU(s) you have | 06:52 |
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| crimsun | the complexity and poor coding practices scale up with hardware power. | 06:52 |
| === DanaG bottlenecks on the hard drive. | ||
| DanaG | 80GB 5400RPM. :( | 06:52 |
| scotth | going from an 800mhz ibookg4 to my current system really gave me a nice boost | 06:53 |
| crimsun | I'm sure you can find some configuration that will bring your current hardware to its knees. | 06:53 |
| defcon | anyone have problems with gdesklets and gutsy? | 06:54 |
| scotth | yeah, its called evolution | 06:54 |
| scotth | I wish gnome had something like epiphany for email, maybe based on tinymail | 06:57 |
| crimsun | evolution seems to work well as long as my trash folder is smaller than one million email entries. | 06:57 |
| scotth | subscribed to a lot of mailing lists? | 06:58 |
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| crimsun | a few | 07:00 |
| crimsun | I just get a crapload of emails via clients, students, colleagues, etc. | 07:00 |
| scotth | ahh, I have thunderbird set to clear the trash on exit | 07:01 |
| tritium | evolution works poorly with exchange, in my experience | 07:01 |
| scotth | and groupwise in my experience | 07:02 |
| crimsun | you should use Outlook Web ! | 07:04 |
| === crimsun cackles | ||
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| === DanaG wonders what "trousers" is for (I know it's TPM-related, but that's all I know). | ||
| DanaG | Oh, and the daemon won't start. | 07:07 |
| tritium | Outlook Web! Are you insane? | 07:08 |
| scotth | DanaG: you have to have a tpm in your system | 07:08 |
| scotth | I believe | 07:09 |
| scotth | its for the trusted computing crap, drm and such | 07:09 |
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| scotth | I hear its useful for any time you have to deal with other peoples records, i.e medical, financial | 07:10 |
| DanaG | I have a TPM chip, but I have yet to find anything to do with it. | 07:10 |
| scotth | ahh, well youve passed where I'm useful | 07:11 |
| r00tintheb0x | Anyone with advanced problems that no one else can seem to solve... please don't hesitate to contact me. If i don't answer right away, thats because im in #guruhelp. :D | 07:15 |
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| DanaG | s/he can use/there's any point to using/ | 07:36 |
| scotth | probably not | 07:36 |
| scotth | I don't think it was meant for that kinda thing | 07:37 |
| DanaG | http://trousers.sourceforge.net/tpm_keyring2/quickstart.html | 07:43 |
| DanaG | hmm. | 07:43 |
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| llol | anyone here | 09:27 |
| llol | ? | 09:27 |
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| ajmorris_ | anyone else experiencing slow application loading time after installing the current gutsy updates? | 09:43 |
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| lemonade | ajmorris_: i'm experiencing lots of dm-linear errors in my log | 09:44 |
| lemonade | ajmorris_: and it causes software load and work slowly on my computer | 09:44 |
| ajmorris_ | that would be what it is | 09:45 |
| ajmorris_ | which log you talking about? | 09:45 |
| lemonade | dmesg | 09:48 |
| ajmorris_ | kk | 09:48 |
| lemonade | it's a filed bug and fix is on way | 09:48 |
| ajmorris_ | ah | 09:49 |
| ajmorris_ | good good | 09:49 |
| ajmorris_ | :) | 09:49 |
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| ajmorris_ | anyone got the smb shares working in gutsy? | 11:03 |
| ajmorris_ | when i click share, it doesn't actually share it | 11:03 |
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| ajmorris_ | has anyone successfully got SMB sharing working? | 11:13 |
| ajmorris_ | when i share a folder, it doesn't actually share | 11:14 |
| gnomefreak | ajmorris_: did you try filing a bug? | 11:18 |
| ajmorris_ | not yeat | 11:19 |
| ajmorris_ | *yet | 11:19 |
| gnomefreak | ajmorris_: always start with filing a bug (as first line of support with devel versions) | 11:19 |
| ajmorris_ | wanted to make sure i wasnt the only one first | 11:19 |
| gnomefreak | ajmorris_: only one in this channel doesnt mean you are only one. but iirc i havent seen that issue yet | 11:19 |
| ajmorris_ | kk | 11:20 |
| ajmorris_ | tks | 11:20 |
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| jovans | is there no legacy kernel in gutsy repo? | 01:14 |
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| so1 | hi | 02:29 |
| so1 | is there already a date when the new fglrx driver will be uploaded? | 02:30 |
| so1 | it finally supports xserver 1.3 | 02:30 |
| Hobbsee | i suspect "when it's uploaded" | 02:31 |
| so1 | :-) | 02:31 |
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| so1 | do you suspect a specific date for that? :-) | 02:33 |
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| Hobbsee | nope | 02:36 |
| Hobbsee | "when i'ts done" | 02:36 |
| so1 | ok ... | 02:42 |
| so1 | who does it? | 02:42 |
| Hobbsee | i'm not sure | 02:43 |
| Hobbsee | whoever's interested in X, i guess | 02:43 |
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| h3sp4wn | Does the current gutsy kernel have mac80211 (for ralink ?) | 03:49 |
| h3sp4wn | Infact that was a silly question I know it has the stack - but not which drivers it has working with that stack | 03:50 |
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| Pathum | Can anyone help me with Kopete? | 06:37 |
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| Pathum | Can anyone help me with Kopete? | 06:40 |
| Hobbsee | what about it? | 06:41 |
| eddyMul | not sure if I should ask this here.... | 06:42 |
| Pathum | Well i don't know how to get the Yahoo rooms list | 06:42 |
| eddyMul | but, is there a way for me to install a gutsy package in feisty? | 06:42 |
| Hobbsee | eddyMul: depends what it is | 06:43 |
| eddyMul | Hobbsee: python-django | 06:43 |
| eddyMul | (no, not glibc... ) :) | 06:43 |
| Hobbsee | eddyMul: you can try. usually not recommended. it may just install for you, else you'd need to rebuild it, and anything else it depends on in gutsy, that isnt in feisty | 06:43 |
| eddyMul | Hobbsee: I understand that it's not recommended... | 06:44 |
| Hobbsee | Pathum: no idea if that's supported in kopete. i thought that was a web thing, actually | 06:44 |
| eddyMul | but how can I do it? (I'm a n00b to Ubuntu). Do I just pull the .deb file and double-click it? | 06:44 |
| Hobbsee | yes... | 06:45 |
| Hobbsee | that's what you can try first | 06:45 |
| eddyMul | Hobbsee: so, I just pull the orig and the diff tarballs, and try do build away. is that it? | 06:45 |
| Pathum | k | 06:45 |
| eddyMul | Hobbsee: (yesterday, I was running Gentoo....) | 06:46 |
| === Hobbsee == sleepy | ||
| === Hobbsee --> bed. | ||
| Hobbsee | eddyMul: grab gutsy source, dpkg-buildpackage -b inside the source dir | 06:46 |
| Hobbsee | but you may be able to just install it, without messing with dependancies | 06:46 |
| Pathum | I need help.....pls | 06:46 |
| eddyMul | Hobbsee: I will try it. thanx | 06:47 |
| Pathum | Hobbsee, i need to get the Yahoo rooms list in Kopete | 06:47 |
| eddyMul | Hobbsee: from packages.ubuntu.org, the dep-s are similar. so it will probably work. | 06:48 |
| eddyMul | thanx, Hobbsee (and sweet dreams) | 06:48 |
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| DanaG | Unable to attach to mixer dmix: No such file or directory | 07:54 |
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| DanaG | in running pulseaudio. | 07:54 |
| DanaG | ALSA lib control.c:910: (snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL dmix | 08:01 |
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| DanaG | Linux m685 2.6.22-5-generic #1 SMP Sat May 19 01:01:22 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux | 10:16 |
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| OzZY85 | I am trying to install Feisty AMD x64, and when i try to boot it, it gets stuck on configuring network interfaces | 10:59 |
| OzZY85 | any suggestions | 10:59 |
| DanaG | Wait for it to time out after 60 seconds, perhaps. | 11:02 |
| DanaG | Unless it's been longer that; in that case, something else will be the issue. | 11:02 |
| OzZY85 | i tried pressing Ctrl-C | 11:02 |
| DanaG | You can try booting again without "quiet splash" in boot options. | 11:02 |
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| DanaG | Though this channel is for Gutsy. | 11:05 |
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