=== artnay [i=artnay@divxfinland.org] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === darkmatter [n=darkmatt@unaffiliated/darkmatter] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === darkmatter [n=darkmatt@unaffiliated/darkmatter] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === artnay [i=artnay@divxfinland.org] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === bersace [n=bersace@81.185.32.206] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [11:20] Hi all [11:20] my membership is about to expire in 7 days [11:20] could any admin fix that ? [11:21] troy_s: ping [11:21] andreasn: ping [11:21] bersace: pong [11:22] andreasn: could you please change my expiration date for my launchpad artwork-team membership ? [11:22] well, yes, I probably could [11:22] is it expiring, I didn't know it could do that... [11:23] how is gnome-scan going these days? [11:31] hm, I'm not sure I can find you on this list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-art/+members [11:32] ahm there you were [11:33] should I set the expiration to never instead? [11:33] or just extend it for one year? [11:35] bersace: ok, fixed [11:35] andreasn: thanks [11:56] np === wedderburn [n=andrew@ppp194-10.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === klepas [n=klepas@60-242-104-119.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === dborg [n=daniel@e182053195.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === nothlit [n=nothlit@fluxbuntu/developer/nothlit] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === nothlit [n=nothlit@fluxbuntu/developer/nothlit] has left #ubuntu-artwork [] === nothlit [n=nothlit@fluxbuntu/developer/nothlit] has joined #Ubuntu-Artwork === dborg [n=daniel@e182053195.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === kwwii [n=kwwii@dialin114049.server4you-dsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === kwwii [n=kwwii@dialin114049.server4you-dsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === kwwii_ [n=kwwii@dialin115168.server4you-dsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === darkmatter [n=darkmatt@unaffiliated/darkmatter] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === darkmatter [n=darkmatt@unaffiliated/darkmatter] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [08:47] nothlit, ping [08:47] http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=526506362&size=o [08:48] darkmatter: What music browser is that? [08:50] troy_s, banshee [08:50] http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=526521386&size=o [08:51] buttons fixed [08:53] troy_s, I'm debating rename the theme to Ozone... [08:53] or Hal-i-frekkin-luja xD [08:53] god not another o thing [08:53] lol [08:53] Something like 'Elderly People Prefer Asparagus' is a little better... [08:53] lol [08:54] "My Buttons are Better than Yours!"? [08:54] or "What Might Happen When You Are Trapped In a Bunker With A Peter Fonda Lookalike." [08:55] haha [08:55] "ARRGGHHHHH!!! MY EYES!!! IT BURNS!!!" [08:55] anything creative beyond say the 'AHHHS' or 'OOOOS' -- VistAH, AquAH, PlasMAH, FAHck [08:55] woo [08:55] i like that [08:55] Or 'These Goggles Do Nothing." [08:56] lol [08:56] brb [08:58] troy_s, if it wasnt for a guaranteed lawsuit Id call it "Goooogleez" and use the google eyes for the window menu... ;) [08:59] use xeyes [09:03] I admit.. it looks macish due to that meacity... but tonight I start on the actual themes metacity... and the mac reference dies :P [09:05] darkmatter: the buttons aren't nearly as subtle as the scrollbar and co, but the sources of light still seem funky to me lol [09:05] I'll probably do the final build against murrine (so I can have pretty selected items in lists n trees) [09:05] nothlit, yeah.. still tweaking [09:06] need to lighten the grad on the buttons a bit [09:06] i'd like to see the prettified scrollbars and progressbars [09:06] the rest is all pretty oatmeal -- which is a good thing. [09:06] very nice [09:06] darkmatter: Pretty well suited for a Lua port... maybe you should talk with dborg. [09:07] troy_s, yeas.. I like "oatmeal".. especially since the redone them is based on ui sketches I did. [09:07] darkmatter: The tango outline is still heavy though. [09:07] which will need to be mockedup so all can se why the theme looks the way it does [09:08] troy_s: do you know the plans for this release cycle ? [09:08] darkmatter: Stripped down minimalism is quite nice when it has the odd 15%-20% pretty in it. [09:08] bersace: There are none, there never will be any, and it will end up looking the same. [09:08] troy_s: fine [09:08] troy_s, tango oulines gone.. ceot on the notebook (it renders weird in alpha.. may need to opaque the boarders [09:08] bersace: So don't worry yourself -- everything is on course :) [09:08] :P [09:09] *borders* [09:09] bersace: Unfortunate, but again, if you want aesthetics, you need someone who cares about culture and aesthetics at the top. [09:09] bersace: As much as I despise the man, S. Jobs is an ace of spades in that regard. [09:09] s jobs is the god of appeal.. its his one strong suit [09:10] bersace: He _believes_ in strong aesthetic decisions and (now that his ipods sold over 100 million) realizes that design influnces adoption. [09:10] darkmatter: Well he is the god of snake oil salesmanship. [09:10] and bill gates is the king of web2.0 gfx :P [09:10] darkmatter: But he does have a redeeming quality to him -- he appreciates art and culture. [09:10] yup [09:10] darkmatter: sabdfl is closer to billg than s.jobs. [09:11] and it even shows in the design of the os [09:11] osx is the finest looking thing out there currently [09:11] darkmatter: Little lost, uber conservative, and a distinct lack of innovation in the realm of aesthetics. [09:11] darkmatter: Unfortunately I would agree with you... that said, when you have two items to choose from... [09:11] troy_s, agreed [09:12] jobs is anti drm, thats the one thing that i do like [09:12] darkmatter: The one thing that the very well trained and educated designers at Apple know -- its that aesthetic values shift. It isn't a 'right or wrong' issue -- it is 'how does this piece fit into the contemporary trends. [09:12] nothlit: He was _not_ anti drm [09:12] nothlit: You fell into his fecking snakepitch [09:13] nothlit: He was 100% pro drm, and in fact, only became the anti-drm pioneer when he realized that the true masses were going to take it down. [09:13] nothlit: Granted -- he jumped on the wagon at a very good time. [09:13] nothlit: And for that, he deserves some credit... he is at least _ahead_ of the rest of the idiots... but not much better. [09:13] troy_s: hmm, i've read stories about him fighting with the big 5 almost since the beginning of itunes [09:14] nothlit: Spin spin spin spin [09:14] nothlit: Remember, the early shift of the ipod was to present a completely monopolized media player. [09:14] no [09:14] i mean during [09:14] not afterwards lol [09:14] nothlit: Get in deep with mp3 support, flog drm to keep people locked in. [09:15] nothlit: And do it all behind the scenes and out of the daylight -- how many people immediately embraced iTunes without realizing that their music would only play on their system? [09:15] nothlit: It was slimy to say the least. [09:15] nothlit: Classic Apple... [09:16] nothlit: I lived through the bloody tyranny of Apple when they had 98% market penetration -- it was a sad sad era. Want a mouse? It is a DIY connector! Disk drive? That too... come to apple... we will help you... we will save your soul. lol. === troy_s outs... [09:38] troy_s, yup [09:39] troy_s, unfortunately gnome-artists dont follow trends... there more concerned with "WOOOO!!!! I can make the ui look like its constructed from GUMMY BEARS!!!" [09:42] troy_s, like gnomes newest "theme" Gummy... its nothing more than a gelatinous version of clearlooks [09:43] darkmatter: are you behind http://darkmatter.thegamecreators.com/ ? === kwwii [n=kwwii@dialin115168.server4you-dsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [09:43] as in.. its not a theme. a them is something "original" recolouring and shifting gradients doesn *NOT* count as a theme [09:43] kwwii: Hallo !!!! :D [09:43] bersace, nope [09:44] hi bersace [09:44] :-) [09:44] bersace, if I was I'd dump the 2.0 graphics ;) [09:44] bersace: are you from the bordeaux? [09:45] area [09:45] kwwii: no, Paris [09:45] (remember UDS-Paris) [09:45] darkmatter: hmm i enjoy the availability of recolours === bersace goes bed [09:46] 'd night all [09:47] darkmatter: there are some people working on putting some new themes into gnome-themes-extras [09:48] darkmatter: perhaps your theme can go in there as well [09:48] darkmatter: hold on, let me find the url [09:48] darkmatter: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt/GnomeThemesExtras === kwwii_ [n=kwwii@dialin118246.server4you-dsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [09:48] andreasn, looking [09:50] nothlit, I enjoy the avalibility of recolours to. but thet are not *themes* as so many pimp them as. they're just colorschemes [09:50] and yes... thats an anal observation [09:50] :P [09:51] oh!!! need to screenie the redone tooltips! [09:54] nothlit, troy_s, http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=526601048&size=o <--- no more sticky notes! [09:56] and yes, the 2pix curve on the corners was a PITA [09:58] evening all [09:59] I am going to add a wiki page with instructions for using the automaticArtworkBuilder ...it is not finished yet, but it is a beginning and if anyone wants to help let me know [10:31] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticArtworkBuilderInstructions [10:35] night [10:36] l8r all