[11:20] <bersace> Hi all
[11:20] <bersace> my membership is about to expire in 7 days
[11:20] <bersace> could any admin fix that  ?
[11:21] <bersace> troy_s:  ping
[11:21] <bersace> andreasn: ping
[11:21] <andreasn> bersace: pong
[11:22] <bersace> andreasn: could you please change my expiration date for my launchpad artwork-team membership ?
[11:22] <andreasn> well, yes, I probably could
[11:22] <andreasn> is it expiring, I didn't know it could do that...
[11:23] <andreasn> how is gnome-scan going these days?
[11:31] <andreasn> hm, I'm not sure I can find you on this list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-art/+members
[11:32] <andreasn> ahm there you were
[11:33] <andreasn> should I set the expiration to never instead?
[11:33] <andreasn> or just extend it for one year?
[11:35] <andreasn> bersace: ok, fixed
[11:35] <bersace> andreasn: thanks
[11:56] <andreasn> np
[08:47] <darkmatter> nothlit, ping
[08:47] <darkmatter> http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=526506362&size=o
[08:48] <troy_s> darkmatter: What music browser is that?
[08:50] <darkmatter> troy_s, banshee
[08:50] <darkmatter> http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=526521386&size=o
[08:51] <darkmatter> buttons fixed
[08:53] <darkmatter> troy_s, I'm debating rename the theme to Ozone...
[08:53] <darkmatter> or Hal-i-frekkin-luja xD
[08:53] <troy_s> god not another o thing
[08:53] <troy_s> lol
[08:53] <troy_s> Something like 'Elderly People Prefer Asparagus' is a little better...
[08:53] <darkmatter> lol
[08:54] <darkmatter> "My Buttons are Better than Yours!"?
[08:54] <troy_s> or "What Might Happen When You Are Trapped In a Bunker With A Peter Fonda Lookalike."
[08:55] <darkmatter> haha
[08:55] <darkmatter> "ARRGGHHHHH!!! MY EYES!!! IT BURNS!!!"
[08:55] <troy_s> anything creative beyond say the 'AHHHS' or 'OOOOS' -- VistAH, AquAH, PlasMAH, FAHck
[08:55] <troy_s> woo
[08:55] <troy_s> i like that
[08:55] <troy_s> Or 'These Goggles Do Nothing."
[08:56] <darkmatter> lol
[08:56] <darkmatter> brb
[08:58] <darkmatter> troy_s, if it wasnt for a guaranteed lawsuit Id call it "Goooogleez" and use the google eyes for the window menu... ;)
[08:59] <nothlit> use xeyes
[09:03] <darkmatter> I admit.. it looks macish due to that meacity... but tonight I start on the actual themes metacity... and the mac reference dies :P
[09:05] <nothlit> darkmatter: the buttons aren't nearly as subtle as the scrollbar and co, but the sources of light still seem funky to me lol
[09:05] <darkmatter> I'll probably do the final build against murrine (so I can have pretty selected items in lists n trees)
[09:05] <darkmatter> nothlit, yeah.. still tweaking
[09:06] <darkmatter> need to lighten the grad on the buttons a bit
[09:06] <troy_s> i'd like to see the prettified scrollbars and progressbars
[09:06] <troy_s> the rest is all pretty oatmeal -- which is a good thing.
[09:06] <bersace> very nice
[09:06] <troy_s> darkmatter: Pretty well suited for a Lua port... maybe you should talk with dborg.
[09:07] <darkmatter> troy_s, yeas.. I like "oatmeal".. especially since the redone them is based on ui sketches I did.
[09:07] <troy_s> darkmatter: The tango outline is still heavy though.
[09:07] <darkmatter> which will need to be mockedup so all can se why the theme looks the way it does
[09:08] <bersace> troy_s: do you know the plans for this release cycle ?
[09:08] <troy_s> darkmatter: Stripped down minimalism is quite nice when it has the odd 15%-20% pretty in it.
[09:08] <troy_s> bersace: There are none, there never will be any, and it will end up looking the same.
[09:08] <bersace> troy_s: fine
[09:08] <darkmatter> troy_s, tango oulines gone.. ceot on the notebook (it renders weird in alpha.. may need to opaque the boarders
[09:08] <troy_s> bersace: So don't worry yourself -- everything is on course :)
[09:08] <bersace> :P
[09:09] <darkmatter> *borders*
[09:09] <troy_s> bersace: Unfortunate, but again, if you want aesthetics, you need someone who cares about culture and aesthetics at the top.
[09:09] <troy_s> bersace: As much as I despise the man, S. Jobs is an ace of spades in that regard.
[09:09] <darkmatter> s jobs is the god of appeal.. its his one strong suit
[09:10] <troy_s> bersace: He _believes_ in strong aesthetic decisions and (now that his ipods sold over 100 million) realizes that design influnces adoption.
[09:10] <troy_s> darkmatter: Well he is the god of snake oil salesmanship.
[09:10] <darkmatter> and bill gates is the king of web2.0 gfx :P
[09:10] <troy_s> darkmatter: But he does have a redeeming quality to him -- he appreciates art and culture.
[09:10] <darkmatter> yup
[09:10] <troy_s> darkmatter: sabdfl is closer to billg than s.jobs.
[09:11] <darkmatter> and it even shows in the design of the os
[09:11] <darkmatter> osx is the finest looking thing out there currently
[09:11] <troy_s> darkmatter: Little lost, uber conservative, and a distinct lack of innovation in the realm of aesthetics.
[09:11] <troy_s> darkmatter: Unfortunately I would agree with you... that said, when you have two items to choose from...
[09:11] <darkmatter> troy_s, agreed
[09:12] <nothlit> jobs is anti drm, thats the one thing that i do like
[09:12] <troy_s> darkmatter: The one thing that the very well trained and educated designers at Apple know -- its that aesthetic values shift.  It isn't a 'right or wrong' issue -- it is 'how does this piece fit into the contemporary trends.
[09:12] <troy_s> nothlit: He was _not_ anti drm
[09:12] <troy_s> nothlit: You fell into his fecking snakepitch
[09:13] <troy_s> nothlit: He was 100% pro drm, and in fact, only became the anti-drm pioneer when he realized that the true masses were going to take it down.
[09:13] <troy_s> nothlit: Granted -- he jumped on the wagon at a very good time.
[09:13] <troy_s> nothlit: And for that, he deserves some credit... he is at least _ahead_ of the rest of the idiots... but not much better.
[09:13] <nothlit> troy_s: hmm, i've read stories about him fighting with the big 5 almost since the beginning of itunes
[09:14] <troy_s> nothlit: Spin spin spin spin
[09:14] <troy_s> nothlit: Remember, the early shift of the ipod was to present a completely monopolized media player.
[09:14] <nothlit> no
[09:14] <nothlit> i mean during
[09:14] <nothlit> not afterwards lol
[09:14] <troy_s> nothlit: Get in deep with mp3 support, flog drm to keep people locked in.
[09:15] <troy_s> nothlit: And do it all behind the scenes and out of the daylight -- how many people immediately embraced iTunes without realizing that their music would only play on their system?
[09:15] <troy_s> nothlit: It was slimy to say the least.
[09:15] <troy_s> nothlit: Classic Apple...
[09:16] <troy_s> nothlit: I lived through the bloody tyranny of Apple when they had 98% market penetration -- it was a sad sad era.  Want a mouse?  It is a DIY connector!  Disk drive?  That too... come to apple... we will help you... we will save your soul.  lol.
[09:38] <darkmatter> troy_s, yup
[09:39] <darkmatter> troy_s, unfortunately gnome-artists dont follow trends... there more concerned with "WOOOO!!!! I can make the ui look like its constructed from GUMMY BEARS!!!"
[09:42] <darkmatter> troy_s, like gnomes newest "theme" Gummy... its nothing more than a gelatinous version of clearlooks
[09:43] <bersace> darkmatter: are you behind http://darkmatter.thegamecreators.com/ ?
[09:43] <darkmatter> as in.. its not a theme. a them is something "original" recolouring and shifting gradients doesn *NOT* count as a theme
[09:43] <bersace> kwwii: Hallo !!!! :D
[09:43] <darkmatter> bersace, nope
[09:44] <kwwii> hi bersace
[09:44] <kwwii> :-)
[09:44] <darkmatter> bersace, if I was I'd dump the 2.0 graphics ;)
[09:44] <kwwii> bersace: are you from the bordeaux?
[09:45] <kwwii> area
[09:45] <bersace> kwwii: no, Paris
[09:45] <bersace> (remember UDS-Paris)
[09:45] <nothlit> darkmatter: hmm i enjoy the availability of recolours
[09:46] <bersace> 'd night all
[09:47] <andreasn> darkmatter: there are some people working on putting some new themes into gnome-themes-extras
[09:48] <andreasn> darkmatter: perhaps your theme can go in there as well
[09:48] <andreasn> darkmatter: hold on, let me find the url
[09:48] <andreasn> darkmatter: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt/GnomeThemesExtras
[09:48] <darkmatter> andreasn, looking
[09:50] <darkmatter> nothlit, I enjoy the avalibility of recolours to. but thet are not *themes* as so many pimp them as. they're just colorschemes
[09:50] <darkmatter> and yes... thats an anal observation
[09:50] <darkmatter> :P
[09:51] <darkmatter> oh!!! need to screenie the redone tooltips!
[09:54] <darkmatter> nothlit, troy_s,  http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=526601048&size=o <--- no more sticky notes!
[09:56] <darkmatter> and yes, the 2pix curve on the corners was a PITA
[09:58] <kwwii_> evening all
[09:59] <kwwii_> I am going to add a wiki page with instructions for using the automaticArtworkBuilder ...it is not finished yet, but it is a beginning and if anyone wants to help let me know
[10:31] <kwwii_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticArtworkBuilderInstructions
[10:35] <kwwii_> night
[10:36] <darkmatter> l8r all