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FFightern2diy_, Are you there ?01:18
n2diy_FFighter: yep01:19
FFighterDo you know any other pastebin web app I could use ?01:19
n2diy_FFighter: no I don't, lets take a chance and try it here?01:19
FFighterall right01:20
FFightereth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:0C:6E:CE:ED:C201:20
FFighter          inet addr:  Bcast:  Mask:
FFighter          UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:101:20
FFighter          RX packets:302 errors:1 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:001:20
FFighter          TX packets:78 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:001:20
FFighter          collisions:0 txqueuelen:100001:20
FFighter          RX bytes:60050 (58.6 KiB)  TX bytes:11472 (11.2 KiB)01:20
FFighter          Interrupt:1801:20
FFightereth1      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:26:54:13:3B:2001:20
FFighter          UP BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:101:20
FFighter          RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:001:20
FFighter          TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:001:20
FFighter          collisions:0 txqueuelen:100001:20
FFighter          RX bytes:0 (0.0 b)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 b)01:20
FFighter          Interrupt:17 Base address:0x800001:20
FFighterlo        Link encap:Local Loopback01:20
FFighter          inet addr:  Mask:
FFighter          inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host01:20
FFighter          UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:101:20
FFighter          RX packets:38243 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:001:20
FFighter          TX packets:38243 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:001:20
FFighter          collisions:0 txqueuelen:001:20
FFighter          RX bytes:2125453 (2.0 MiB)  TX bytes:2125453 (2.0 MiB)01:20
FFighternas0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:90:D0:2E:B9:A201:20
FFighter          inet addr:  Bcast:  Mask:
FFighter          inet6 addr: fe80::290:d0ff:fe2e:b9a2/64 Scope:Link01:20
FFighter          UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:101:20
FFighter          RX packets:195455 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:001:20
FFighter          TX packets:168225 errors:321 dropped:0 overruns:321 carrier:001:21
FFighter          collisions:0 txqueuelen:100001:21
FFighter          RX bytes:236630891 (225.6 MiB)  TX bytes:24129742 (23.0 MiB)01:21
FFighterppp0      Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol01:21
FFighter          inet addr:  P-t-P:  Mask:
FFighter          UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST  MTU:1492  Metric:101:21
FFighter          RX packets:658 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:001:21
FFighter          TX packets:59 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carr01:21
FFighterhmm.. a part is missing01:21
FFighterjust a min, I've found another pastebin-like website01:21
n2diy_FFighter: we don't need it now! :)01:22
FFighteranyway, I pasted it there... there's also ppp1 besides ppp001:23
FFighterthat was the part missing01:23
n2diy_FFighter: are you a fire fighter?01:24
FFightern2diy_, No, FireFox Fighter01:25
n2diy_FFighter: ok, what is nas0?01:25
FFightern2diy_, good question, I think it is a network bridge01:25
FFightermy modem demands this kind of connection01:25
n2diy_FFighter: ok, so how many ethernet cards are installed on your box?01:26
FFighterit was created by a dial script I created... I followed this tutorial: http://www.linux-usb.org/SpeedTouch/01:27
FFightern2diy_, Two01:27
FFightern2diy_, I'm using eth0 to connect to the XP machine01:28
n2diy_FFighter: ok, are you Squirreli in the forum post?01:29
FFightern2diy_, No, I'm not in that post01:29
FFighterI use the same nickname on ubuntu forums (FFighter)01:29
n2diy_FFighter: ok, let me look at the Speedtouch link.01:30
FFighterthe url I sent you ?01:30
n2diy_FFighter: yes01:31
n2diy_FFighter: one thing I see is eth1 doesn't have an ip address assigned to it.01:32
n2diy_FFighter:  and what version of Ubuntu are you using?01:33
FFightern2diy_, Actually the IP I set the IP on eth0 using ifconfig eth0 <ip>01:33
FFightern2diy_, Feisty01:33
n2diy_FFighter: what is eth1 connected to?01:33
FFightern2diy_, nothing01:33
FFighteronly eth0 is being used01:33
n2diy_FFighter: ok, can you ping eth0?01:34
FFighterlocally ?01:34
n2diy_FFighter: yes01:34
FFighterI can ping01:34
n2diy_FFighter: can you ping the XP box?01:34
FFighterwell, the XP box is set up with a static IP -> ( submask)01:35
FFighterI can't ping there01:35
FFighter"Host Unreachable"01:35
n2diy_FFighter: ok, so try ping
FFighterI did01:36
n2diy_FFighter: no errors?01:36
FFighterIt doesn't reach there01:36
FFighterroot@marcelo-desktop:/var# ping
FFighterPING ( 56(84) bytes of data.01:36
FFighterFrom icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable01:36
FFighterFrom icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable01:36
FFighterFrom icmp_seq=3 Destination Host Unreachable01:36
FFighterFrom icmp_seq=4 Destination Host Unreachable01:36
FFighterFrom icmp_seq=5 Destination Host Unreachable01:36
FFighterFrom icmp_seq=6 Destination Host Unreachabl01:36
n2diy_FFighter: pinging the XP box fails, ok.01:36
n2diy_FFighter: I hope you know how to play in XP?01:38
FFightern2diy_, Yes, of course, always used windows before01:38
n2diy_FFighter: Ok, I've been Microsoft free since 95. Can the XP box ping its ethernet card?01:39
FFighterActually, just making Ubuntu and XP ping themselves would be a great step01:39
n2diy_FFighter: Yep, that is the first step in troubleshooting a network.01:39
FFighterNo, it can't... just tried it... even though XP says that the connection is up and that packets are being sent01:39
FFighterweird. It says "Local connection is connected 100Mbps"01:40
FFighterbut I can't reach here01:41
n2diy_FFighter: I love Windows! :) What happens when you pull the ethernet cable off the XP box, does it realize it lost the connection?01:41
FFighterI will try it01:41
FFighterjust a min01:41
FFightersurprisingly it does detect - "A network cable has been disconected"01:42
FFighterso does ubuntu01:43
n2diy_FFighter: Can the XP box ping itself with the cable disconnected?01:43
FFighterUbuntu just said popped up the following message "You are now connected to the wired netword"01:44
n2diy_FFighter: ok, try my previous.01:44
FFighterno! The output of ipconfig says that the "media is disconnected"01:45
n2diy_FFighter: What!!!??? Ubuntu thinks it is connected, after the connection was broken, weird. Anyway, XP needs to be able to ping itself.01:45
FFighterWait.. I had plugged the wire again just before01:46
FFighterthat's why ubuntu said it was connected01:46
n2diy_FFighter: So XP can't ping its own ethernet card?01:46
FFighterI unplugged it again now to test the XP ping thing01:46
n2diy_FFighter: Ok, I thought I was going nuts.01:46
FFighterWell... I can ping localhost, but not the IP I had set up (
n2diy_FFighter: XP has a lo?01:47
FFighteryep, it does01:47
n2diy_FFighter: Interesting. Sounds like the XP card is configured.01:48
FFighteris or ins't ?01:48
n2diy_FFighter: Isn't configured01:49
FFighteroh ok01:49
FFighterhmmm... so you think the problem is at the XP side01:49
FFighterwhat could I do then ?01:50
n2diy_FFighter: yes I do.01:50
n2diy_FFighter: Oh what is it called device manager? Does that show anything about the ethernet card?01:51
FFighteron windows ?01:51
FFighterWould you like to see the hardware specs of the card ?01:51
n2diy_FFighter: yes.01:51
FFighterI will take a look, hold on01:52
n2diy_FFighter: no, the specs. won't help us.01:52
FFighterRealTek RTL8139 - it says the device is installed and working correctly01:53
n2diyFFighter:  :/01:54
FFighterCould it be something related to iptables not allowing the connections ?01:54
FFighterI'm lost becouse I don't really understand networking nor how Linux handles all that01:55
n2diyFFighter: But when you go to a command prompt, and enter ping it fails?01:55
FFighteryes it does01:55
FFighterBut only when the wire is disconnected01:55
FFighterI mean01:55
FFighterit also fails when the wire is connected, but it is a different "error"01:55
FFighterwhen the wire is connected, it says that the host is unreachable01:56
n2diyFFighter:  what's it say when it is disconnected?01:56
FFighterwhen the write is disconnected, it says also says host unreachable, but ipconfig shows a "disconnected media" message01:57
FFighterWhen I connect it again, both machine detect that the there is a network01:57
FFighterThat's why I thought that it could be something related to firewalling (maybe a miss-configured iptables)?01:58
n2diyFFighter:  Ok, have double check this, when at the XP box, you can't ping
FFighterI'm sorry, when I told you that I couldn't ping when the wire was up, I was wrong...01:59
FFighterI actually can ping when the wire is connected **only**01:59
FFighter192.168.0.3 being the static IP set on the XP network settings for the local connection02:00
n2diyFFighter:  When at the XP box?02:00
FFighteronly when at the XP box... I tried also pinging here ( from there, but couldn't02:00
FFighterpinging 192.168.0,3 from here also doesn't work02:00
FFighter"Host unreachable"02:00
n2diyFFighter:  And the XP and Ubuntu boxes are connected directly together when the network is in normal operation?02:01
FFighterThere's no LAN... I have only internet access here on my ubuntu box.. the LAN doesn't work02:02
FFightereven though both computers say that there's a connection... but I can't reach each other02:02
FFighterHere's something interesting:02:03
n2diyFFighter:  That doesn't answer my question. :) How are the two boxes connected together?02:03
FFighterOh sorry02:03
FFightern2diy, wired ethernet (directly)02:03
FFighterno hubs, no routers02:03
FFighterThe Active Connection Dialog says that eth0 is connected, the speed is 100 Mb/s and driver is "forcedeth" but all IPs (from IP address to Secondary DNS) show
n2diyFFighter:  Ok, the Realtec 8139 is an older ethernet card(I'm using one), and I believe, you need a crossover cable to do a direct connect to it.02:04
FFighterhmmm... but why did it work fine when I had XP here (both LAN and Internet Connection Sharing)02:05
n2diyFFighter:  This network worked, when your Ubuntu box was an XP box!?02:06
FFightern2diy, Yes!02:06
FFighterAnd it was pretty straightforward to set up02:06
FFighterI just made the switch to ubuntu (last week)02:07
n2diyFFighter:  Eye yigh yigh!02:07
FFighterwhat does that mean? :) (sorry but english is not my mother tongue!)02:07
n2diyFFighter:  ok, do you have Firestarter installed?02:07
FFighterNo, it isn't installed02:07
FFighterI have only installed the tools in the forum post I mentioned02:08
n2diyFFighter:  ok, you might want to install it, it is a GUI front end for iptables.02:08
FFighterlike guidedog ?02:08
n2diyFFighter:  not familiar with guidedog.02:09
FFighterall right, will install firestarter02:09
FFighterok, I'm running it now02:10
n2diyFFighter:  Ok, see the policy tab, click on that, then click in the allow connections box.02:11
FFighterShould I check "Start the firewall on dial-out" ?02:11
n2diyFFighter:  Ignore that for now.02:12
FFighterhMM... I liked the "Enable Internet connecton sharing" option :D02:12
FFighterI ticked it, ok ?02:12
FFighterShould I enable DHCP for the local network ?02:12
n2diyFFighter:  Ok, see the policy tab, click on that, then click in the allow connections box. Have you done this?02:13
FFighterIf I try to select eth0 for the connection sharing it displays an error message:  The local area and the internet connected devices cannot be the same02:14
FFighterI guess that ppp0 is linked to eth0 through nas0 then02:14
FFighterI should use eth1 I think02:14
FFighterWhat do you think ?02:14
n2diyFFighter: Don't go herding cats on me. Eth1 isn't connected to anything!! Click on the policy tab!!!!02:14
FFightern2diy, I know! But maybe I should be connecting through eth1 then02:15
FFighterok, I will select eth1 for connection sharing (I can't choose eth0 anyway)02:15
n2diyFFighter:  Click on the policy tab.02:15
FFighterok, I'm there02:16
n2diyFFighter:  Click in the allow connections box, and inter the XP box's ip address.02:16
FFighterjust a note: It failed to start the firewall... it said eth0 "is not ready"02:17
n2diyFFighter:  Ok, wait.02:17
n2diyFFighter:  can you ping
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FFighterhmmm... I can't now02:19
n2diyFFighter:  WTF? :) ok, enter ifup eth002:19
FFighterIgnoring unknown interface eth0=eth0.02:20
n2diyFFighter:  WTF? :) ok, enter ifdown eth0?02:20
FFighteractually it has lost its configurations when the network went down02:20
FFighterI set up the IP for eth0 through ifconfig02:21
FFighterwhen the network went down and up again, it has loaded its default settings I think02:21
FFighterI don't know how to make these settings permanent yet02:21
n2diyFFighter:  ok, reconfigure it.02:21
FFighterok, pinging02:22
FFightern2diy, Now the firewall says it is active02:23
n2diyFFighter:  you can ping 0.2 and 0.3?02:23
FFighteroops... no longer02:23
FFighterhow weird02:23
n2diyFFighter: now what happened?02:23
FFighterI don't know.. I will restart the network, just a min02:24
n2diyI have to go check my weather radar, so when you responded, make sure you use my nick so I'm alerted to it.02:27
n2diyFFighter: I have to go check my weather radar, so when you responded, make sure you use my nick so I'm alerted to it.02:28
FFighterok, restarted and the firewall is up again02:30
FFighterI had to manually select ppp0 as the "Internet connection network device"02:30
FFighterI can ping
FFighterroot@marcelo-desktop:/var# ping
FFighterPING ( 56(84) bytes of data.02:30
FFighterping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted02:30
FFighterping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted02:30
FFighterwhat does that mean ?02:30
FFightern2diy, Are you still here ?02:31
FFightern2diy, Are you still here ?02:31
n2diyFFighter: yep02:31
FFightern2diy, It somehow affected my internet connection, I disabled the firewall02:31
n2diyFFighter: ppp0 is your dial up connection, eth0 is your ethernet connection.02:32
FFighterI guess so02:32
FFighterBut nas0 is still a mystery02:33
FFighterMaybe it is a bridge between ppp0 and eth0 ?02:33
n2diyFFighter: so eth0 should be selected as your network device.02:33
FFighterin firestarter ? Ok, I did it02:34
FFighterand ppp0 for internet02:34
FFighterwhen I start the firewall, the internet conn. seems to go down02:34
FFighterIs there some policy I should create to allow the internet connection to function properly ?02:34
n2diyFFighter: your herding cats again, we can't troubleshoot your lan, and internet connection at the same time, and hope to remain sane.02:35
FFighterok ok ... sorry02:35
FFighterits just that I'm trying to solve since last week... sorry for that02:36
n2diyFFighter: and obviously ppp0 is working, or we wouldn't be talking to each other, right?02:36
FFighteryes, now that firestarter is off02:36
n2diyFFighter: firestarter is off, or the fire wall is off?02:36
FFighterI meant the firewall...02:37
n2diyFFighter: ok, did you allow 0.03 to connect in firestarter? Did it stick?02:38
FFighterWhat do you mean by "stick" ?02:39
FFighterif I was able to ping here from XP ?02:39
n2diyFFighter: It didn't change. Can you ping the other way?02:39
FFighterWhen I try to ping 192.168.0,3, it actually tries to ping why does it routes to 0.1 ?02:40
FFighterroot@marcelo-desktop:/var# ping
FFighterPING ( 56(84) bytes of data.02:40
FFighterFrom icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable02:40
FFighterFrom icmp_seq=3 Destination Host Unreachable02:40
FFighterFrom icmp_seq=4 Destination Host Unreachable02:40
n2diyFFighter: 0.01 is the bridge! Why are you using a bridge? Is it a physical device, or software?02:42
FFighterThe dial script I use creates it02:42
FFighteras I was told to do by the tutorial I sent you02:42
n2diyFFighter: why do you need a dial script?02:42
n2diyFFighter: wait, I'm loading it.02:43
FFighterIt's the bootscript ...02:43
FFighterI think I need this script becouse my modem is so damn bad that it doesn't even have internal permanent memory, so I need to upload the firmware and dial through a script everytime I want to connect02:45
FFighterit doesn't have "a life of its own"02:46
n2diyFFighter: Ok, what if we enable connections from .0.01 in firestarter? I'll admit I'm guessing at this point.02:48
FFighterinbound conn. ?02:50
FFighterinbound conn. ?02:50
n2diyFFighter: I guess?02:50
n2diyFFighter: any other options?02:50
FFightern2diy, it is still blocking my internet connection when I enable the firewall02:51
FFighterthere's outbound connections02:51
FFighterbut outbound is set to permissive ... I guess that means there's a "blacklist"02:52
n2diyok, what do you have for outbound policy, I have permissive set, and nothing else in the boxes.02:52
FFighterthe same as yours02:53
n2diyFFighter: And when you enable the firewall, you can't chat here?02:54
FFighterinternet connections goes blocked02:54
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n2diyFFighter: Does the bridge have a config file, or something?02:55
FFighterhmmm... not that I know... the only reference I have is the tutorial I told you02:55
FFighterit is created the time I run the "dial" script02:56
n2diyFFighter: Ok, let me take another look at it.02:56
FFighterallright... no hurry ;)02:56
n2diyFFighter: Do you have an external modem handy?03:01
FFighterwhat is a handy ?03:02
FFighteroh, you mean another modem to test ?03:03
n2diyFFighter: That you could hook up to your box now? Yes, eliminate the bridge.03:03
FFighterno, I don't :(03:03
n2diyFFighter: Ok, I'm at a loss, I'm suspecting the bridge, since it is sending the pings, but no idea why? Maybe there is a Speedtouch list, or email list, google, etc...?03:05
FFightern2diy, Ok, Thanks anyway, really appreciated your help03:06
FFighterthanks for your time... I will take a look somewhere else and see if there's a speedtouch list or something03:06
n2diyFFighter: Your more then welcome, it was fun. Let me know what you find out? n2diy@losch.net.03:06
FFightern2diy, Yes, of course, I will email you once I get something03:07
n2diyFFighter: and quit herding cats, solve one problem at a time!03:07
FFighterok, thanks for the advice!03:07
n2diyFFighter:  :)03:08
FFighterhave a good evening (well, at least it is evening here :)03:08
n2diyFFighter:  Same here in E. Pa., we're getting clobbered with T-Storms, so I have to shut down anyway.03:09
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ubotusource-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic04:34
kadazwhat the command to save a file @ console?05:07
kadaztxt file05:08
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naliothFlannel: there is no such animal as a "windows MBR"05:25
naliothmicrosoft does not use anything in the MBR.05:25
Flannelwindows has it's own bootloader in the MBR05:25
Flannelwhich grub stage1 overwrites, right?05:25
naliothno, it doesn't05:25
naliothwindows uses a bootable hidden file in the root of the hard drive05:26
naliothnot the /mbr05:26
naliothif one has linux and windows installed, all one has to do to become a windows only system again is wipe the mbr05:26
Flannelsince when?05:26
naliothXP does it this way05:27
naliothi've not gotten hold of a Vista system to check05:27
naliothw2k does it that way05:27
Flannelso, fixmbr just zeros the MBR?05:27
naliothw95/98 does it05:27
naliothi usually fdisk the mbr05:27
Flannelsince, that's NEVER been te instructions we've given to restore windows05:27
naliothi speak from experience05:28
nalioththere is no such animal05:28
Flannelnalioth: the interblags don't seem to agree with you.05:33
naliothFlannel: as you wish.  i've done enough windows/linux stuff.  i've never seen windows do ANYthing with the MBR05:48
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n2diy nalioth, are still here?06:32
naliothn2diy: i am06:32
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n2diy nalioth, Roger, when I was working with FFighter, I thought it was ok to dump is ifconfig here since thing seemed to be quit, was that ok?06:33
n2diyI'd better lay down?06:34
n2diyman, what is wrong with my keyboard? :)06:35
naliothn2diy: better in a pastebin (pastebins last longer) but if you have to paste in a channel, this one is better than #ubuntu   :D06:36
n2diy nalioth, yes, that is why I suggested he come over here. He was having trouble with the standard pastebin.06:37
nalioththen send them to non standard ones  :)   pastebin.ca  pastebin.com rafb etc06:38
n2diy nalioth, I wasn't aware of them, but he found one.06:39
naliothit's ok to paste a bit in here,  but it is really more helpful for all concerned to use a pastebin06:40
n2diy nalioth, Yes, understood. I prefer to keep stuff on channel in #Ubuntu, but since he couldn't access pastebin, I suggested he come over here , and dump the output of is ifconfig. It was quite here, so I was hoping it would be a no harm, no foul situation.06:43
naliothnot a problem :)06:45
n2diy10-4 take care. ttyl.06:46
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