[01:18] <FFighter> n2diy_, Are you there ?
[01:19] <n2diy_> FFighter: yep
[01:19] <FFighter> Do you know any other pastebin web app I could use ?
[01:19] <n2diy_> FFighter: no I don't, lets take a chance and try it here?
[01:19] <FFighter> hmmm
[01:20] <FFighter> all right
[01:20] <FFighter> eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:0C:6E:CE:ED:C2
[01:20] <FFighter>           inet addr:192.168.0.2  Bcast:192.168.0.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
[01:20] <FFighter>           UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
[01:20] <FFighter>           RX packets:302 errors:1 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
[01:20] <FFighter>           TX packets:78 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
[01:20] <FFighter>           collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
[01:20] <FFighter>           RX bytes:60050 (58.6 KiB)  TX bytes:11472 (11.2 KiB)
[01:20] <FFighter>           Interrupt:18
[01:20] <FFighter> eth1      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:26:54:13:3B:20
[01:20] <FFighter>           UP BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
[01:20] <FFighter>           RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
[01:20] <FFighter>           TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
[01:20] <FFighter>           collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
[01:20] <FFighter>           RX bytes:0 (0.0 b)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 b)
[01:20] <FFighter>           Interrupt:17 Base address:0x8000
[01:20] <FFighter> lo        Link encap:Local Loopback
[01:20] <FFighter>           inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
[01:20] <FFighter>           inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
[01:20] <FFighter>           UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
[01:20] <FFighter>           RX packets:38243 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
[01:20] <FFighter>           TX packets:38243 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
[01:20] <FFighter>           collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
[01:20] <FFighter>           RX bytes:2125453 (2.0 MiB)  TX bytes:2125453 (2.0 MiB)
[01:20] <FFighter> nas0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:90:D0:2E:B9:A2
[01:20] <FFighter>           inet addr:192.168.0.1  Bcast:192.168.0.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
[01:20] <FFighter>           inet6 addr: fe80::290:d0ff:fe2e:b9a2/64 Scope:Link
[01:20] <FFighter>           UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
[01:20] <FFighter>           RX packets:195455 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
[01:21] <FFighter>           TX packets:168225 errors:321 dropped:0 overruns:321 carrier:0
[01:21] <FFighter>           collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
[01:21] <FFighter>           RX bytes:236630891 (225.6 MiB)  TX bytes:24129742 (23.0 MiB)
[01:21] <FFighter> ppp0      Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol
[01:21] <FFighter>           inet addr:200.138.244.156  P-t-P:200.138.242.254  Mask:255.255.255.255
[01:21] <FFighter>           UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST  MTU:1492  Metric:1
[01:21] <FFighter>           RX packets:658 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
[01:21] <FFighter>           TX packets:59 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carr
[01:21] <FFighter> hmm.. a part is missing
[01:21] <FFighter> just a min, I've found another pastebin-like website
[01:22] <n2diy_> FFighter: we don't need it now! :)
[01:22] <FFighter> http://pastebin.4programmers.net/2371
[01:23] <FFighter> anyway, I pasted it there... there's also ppp1 besides ppp0
[01:23] <FFighter> that was the part missing
[01:23] <FFighter> ;)
[01:24] <nalioth> whoa.
[01:24] <n2diy_> FFighter: are you a fire fighter?
[01:25] <FFighter> n2diy_, No, FireFox Fighter
[01:25] <FFighter> =)
[01:25] <n2diy_> FFighter: ok, what is nas0?
[01:25] <FFighter> n2diy_, good question, I think it is a network bridge
[01:25] <FFighter> my modem demands this kind of connection
[01:26] <n2diy_> FFighter: ok, so how many ethernet cards are installed on your box?
[01:27] <FFighter> it was created by a dial script I created... I followed this tutorial: http://www.linux-usb.org/SpeedTouch/
[01:27] <FFighter> n2diy_, Two
[01:28] <FFighter> n2diy_, I'm using eth0 to connect to the XP machine
[01:29] <n2diy_> FFighter: ok, are you Squirreli in the forum post?
[01:29] <FFighter> n2diy_, No, I'm not in that post
[01:29] <FFighter> I use the same nickname on ubuntu forums (FFighter)
[01:30] <n2diy_> FFighter: ok, let me look at the Speedtouch link.
[01:30] <FFighter> the url I sent you ?
[01:31] <n2diy_> FFighter: yes
[01:31] <FFighter> ok
[01:32] <n2diy_> FFighter: one thing I see is eth1 doesn't have an ip address assigned to it.
[01:33] <n2diy_> FFighter:  and what version of Ubuntu are you using?
[01:33] <FFighter> n2diy_, Actually the IP I set the IP on eth0 using ifconfig eth0 <ip>
[01:33] <FFighter> n2diy_, Feisty
[01:33] <n2diy_> FFighter: what is eth1 connected to?
[01:33] <FFighter> n2diy_, nothing
[01:33] <FFighter> only eth0 is being used
[01:34] <n2diy_> FFighter: ok, can you ping eth0?
[01:34] <FFighter> locally ?
[01:34] <n2diy_> FFighter: yes
[01:34] <FFighter> yes
[01:34] <FFighter> I can ping
[01:34] <n2diy_> FFighter: can you ping the XP box?
[01:35] <FFighter> well, the XP box is set up with a static IP -> 192.168.0.3 (255.255.255.0 submask)
[01:35] <FFighter> I can't ping there
[01:35] <FFighter> "Host Unreachable"
[01:35] <n2diy_> FFighter: ok, so try ping 192.16.0.3
[01:36] <n2diy_> 16/168
[01:36] <FFighter> I did
[01:36] <n2diy_> FFighter: no errors?
[01:36] <FFighter> It doesn't reach there
[01:36] <FFighter> root@marcelo-desktop:/var# ping 192.168.0.3
[01:36] <FFighter> PING 192.168.0.3 (192.168.0.3) 56(84) bytes of data.
[01:36] <FFighter> From 192.168.0.1 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable
[01:36] <FFighter> From 192.168.0.1 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable
[01:36] <FFighter> From 192.168.0.1 icmp_seq=3 Destination Host Unreachable
[01:36] <FFighter> From 192.168.0.1 icmp_seq=4 Destination Host Unreachable
[01:36] <FFighter> From 192.168.0.1 icmp_seq=5 Destination Host Unreachable
[01:36] <FFighter> From 192.168.0.1 icmp_seq=6 Destination Host Unreachabl
[01:36] <n2diy_> FFighter: pinging the XP box fails, ok.
[01:38] <n2diy_> FFighter: I hope you know how to play in XP?
[01:38] <FFighter> n2diy_, Yes, of course, always used windows before
[01:39] <n2diy_> FFighter: Ok, I've been Microsoft free since 95. Can the XP box ping its ethernet card?
[01:39] <FFighter> Actually, just making Ubuntu and XP ping themselves would be a great step
[01:39] <FFighter> =)
[01:39] <n2diy_> FFighter: Yep, that is the first step in troubleshooting a network.
[01:39] <FFighter> No, it can't... just tried it... even though XP says that the connection is up and that packets are being sent
[01:40] <FFighter> weird. It says "Local connection is connected 100Mbps"
[01:41] <FFighter> but I can't reach here
[01:41] <n2diy_> FFighter: I love Windows! :) What happens when you pull the ethernet cable off the XP box, does it realize it lost the connection?
[01:41] <FFighter> I will try it
[01:41] <FFighter> just a min
[01:42] <FFighter> surprisingly it does detect - "A network cable has been disconected"
[01:43] <FFighter> so does ubuntu
[01:43] <n2diy_> FFighter: Can the XP box ping itself with the cable disconnected?
[01:44] <FFighter> Ubuntu just said popped up the following message "You are now connected to the wired netword"
[01:44] <n2diy_> FFighter: ok, try my previous.
[01:45] <FFighter> no! The output of ipconfig says that the "media is disconnected"
[01:45] <n2diy_> FFighter: What!!!??? Ubuntu thinks it is connected, after the connection was broken, weird. Anyway, XP needs to be able to ping itself.
[01:46] <FFighter> Wait.. I had plugged the wire again just before
[01:46] <FFighter> that's why ubuntu said it was connected
[01:46] <n2diy_> FFighter: So XP can't ping its own ethernet card?
[01:46] <FFighter> I unplugged it again now to test the XP ping thing
[01:46] <n2diy_> FFighter: Ok, I thought I was going nuts.
[01:47] <FFighter> Well... I can ping localhost, but not the IP I had set up (192.168.0.3)
[01:47] <n2diy_> FFighter: XP has a lo?
[01:47] <FFighter> yep, it does
[01:48] <FFighter> 127.0.0.1
[01:48] <n2diy_> FFighter: Interesting. Sounds like the XP card is configured.
[01:48] <n2diy_> is/isn't
[01:48] <FFighter> is or ins't ?
[01:48] <FFighter> isn't*
[01:49] <n2diy_> FFighter: Isn't configured
[01:49] <FFighter> oh ok
[01:49] <FFighter> hmmm... so you think the problem is at the XP side
[01:50] <FFighter> what could I do then ?
[01:50] <n2diy_> FFighter: yes I do.
[01:51] <n2diy_> FFighter: Oh what is it called device manager? Does that show anything about the ethernet card?
[01:51] <FFighter> on windows ?
[01:51] <FFighter> Would you like to see the hardware specs of the card ?
[01:51] <n2diy_> FFighter: yes.
[01:52] <FFighter> I will take a look, hold on
[01:52] <n2diy_> FFighter: no, the specs. won't help us.
[01:53] <FFighter> RealTek RTL8139 - it says the device is installed and working correctly
[01:54] <n2diy> FFighter:  :/
[01:54] <FFighter> Could it be something related to iptables not allowing the connections ?
[01:55] <FFighter> I'm lost becouse I don't really understand networking nor how Linux handles all that
[01:55] <n2diy> FFighter: But when you go to a command prompt, and enter ping 192.168.0.3 it fails?
[01:55] <FFighter> yes it does
[01:55] <FFighter> But only when the wire is disconnected
[01:55] <FFighter> I mean
[01:55] <FFighter> it also fails when the wire is connected, but it is a different "error"
[01:56] <FFighter> when the wire is connected, it says that the host is unreachable
[01:56] <n2diy> FFighter:  what's it say when it is disconnected?
[01:57] <FFighter> when the write is disconnected, it says also says host unreachable, but ipconfig shows a "disconnected media" message
[01:57] <FFighter> When I connect it again, both machine detect that the there is a network
[01:58] <FFighter> That's why I thought that it could be something related to firewalling (maybe a miss-configured iptables)?
[01:58] <n2diy> FFighter:  Ok, have double check this, when at the XP box, you can't ping 192.168.0.3?
[01:59] <FFighter> I'm sorry, when I told you that I couldn't ping 192.168.0.3 when the wire was up, I was wrong...
[01:59] <FFighter> I actually can ping 192.168.0.3 when the wire is connected **only**
[02:00] <FFighter> 192.168.0.3 being the static IP set on the XP network settings for the local connection
[02:00] <n2diy> FFighter:  When at the XP box?
[02:00] <FFighter> yes
[02:00] <FFighter> only when at the XP box... I tried also pinging here (192.168.0.2) from there, but couldn't
[02:00] <FFighter> pinging 192.168.0,3 from here also doesn't work
[02:00] <FFighter> "Host unreachable"
[02:01] <n2diy> FFighter:  And the XP and Ubuntu boxes are connected directly together when the network is in normal operation?
[02:02] <FFighter> There's no LAN... I have only internet access here on my ubuntu box.. the LAN doesn't work
[02:02] <FFighter> even though both computers say that there's a connection... but I can't reach each other
[02:03] <FFighter> Here's something interesting:
[02:03] <n2diy> FFighter:  That doesn't answer my question. :) How are the two boxes connected together?
[02:03] <FFighter> Oh sorry
[02:03] <FFighter> n2diy, wired ethernet (directly)
[02:03] <FFighter> no hubs, no routers
[02:04] <FFighter> The Active Connection Dialog says that eth0 is connected, the speed is 100 Mb/s and driver is "forcedeth" but all IPs (from IP address to Secondary DNS) show 0.0.0.0
[02:04] <n2diy> FFighter:  Ok, the Realtec 8139 is an older ethernet card(I'm using one), and I believe, you need a crossover cable to do a direct connect to it.
[02:05] <FFighter> hmmm... but why did it work fine when I had XP here (both LAN and Internet Connection Sharing)
[02:06] <n2diy> FFighter:  This network worked, when your Ubuntu box was an XP box!?
[02:06] <FFighter> n2diy, Yes!
[02:06] <FFighter> And it was pretty straightforward to set up
[02:07] <FFighter> I just made the switch to ubuntu (last week)
[02:07] <n2diy> FFighter:  Eye yigh yigh!
[02:07] <FFighter> what does that mean? :) (sorry but english is not my mother tongue!)
[02:07] <n2diy> FFighter:  ok, do you have Firestarter installed?
[02:07] <FFighter> No, it isn't installed
[02:08] <FFighter> I have only installed the tools in the forum post I mentioned
[02:08] <n2diy> FFighter:  ok, you might want to install it, it is a GUI front end for iptables.
[02:08] <FFighter> like guidedog ?
[02:09] <n2diy> FFighter:  not familiar with guidedog.
[02:09] <FFighter> all right, will install firestarter
[02:10] <FFighter> ok, I'm running it now
[02:11] <n2diy> FFighter:  Ok, see the policy tab, click on that, then click in the allow connections box.
[02:11] <FFighter> Should I check "Start the firewall on dial-out" ?
[02:12] <n2diy> FFighter:  Ignore that for now.
[02:12] <FFighter> hMM... I liked the "Enable Internet connecton sharing" option :D
[02:12] <FFighter> I ticked it, ok ?
[02:12] <FFighter> Should I enable DHCP for the local network ?
[02:13] <n2diy> FFighter:  Ok, see the policy tab, click on that, then click in the allow connections box. Have you done this?
[02:13] <FFighter> hmmm...
[02:14] <FFighter> If I try to select eth0 for the connection sharing it displays an error message:  The local area and the internet connected devices cannot be the same
[02:14] <FFighter> I guess that ppp0 is linked to eth0 through nas0 then
[02:14] <FFighter> I should use eth1 I think
[02:14] <FFighter> What do you think ?
[02:14] <n2diy> FFighter: Don't go herding cats on me. Eth1 isn't connected to anything!! Click on the policy tab!!!!
[02:15] <FFighter> n2diy, I know! But maybe I should be connecting through eth1 then
[02:15] <FFighter> ok, I will select eth1 for connection sharing (I can't choose eth0 anyway)
[02:15] <n2diy> FFighter:  Click on the policy tab.
[02:16] <FFighter> ok, I'm there
[02:16] <n2diy> FFighter:  Click in the allow connections box, and inter the XP box's ip address.
[02:17] <FFighter> just a note: It failed to start the firewall... it said eth0 "is not ready"
[02:17] <n2diy> inter/enter
[02:17] <n2diy> FFighter:  Ok, wait.
[02:18] <n2diy> FFighter:  can you ping 192.168.0.2?
[02:19] <FFighter> hmmm... I can't now
[02:19] <n2diy> FFighter:  WTF? :) ok, enter ifup eth0
[02:20] <FFighter> Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0.
[02:20] <n2diy> FFighter:  WTF? :) ok, enter ifdown eth0?
[02:20] <FFighter> actually it has lost its configurations when the network went down
[02:21] <FFighter> I set up the 192.168.0.2 IP for eth0 through ifconfig
[02:21] <FFighter> when the network went down and up again, it has loaded its default settings I think
[02:21] <FFighter> I don't know how to make these settings permanent yet
[02:21] <n2diy> FFighter:  ok, reconfigure it.
[02:21] <FFighter> Allright
[02:22] <FFighter> ok, pinging
[02:23] <FFighter> n2diy, Now the firewall says it is active
[02:23] <n2diy> FFighter:  you can ping 0.2 and 0.3?
[02:23] <FFighter> oops... no longer
[02:23] <FFighter> how weird
[02:23] <n2diy> FFighter: now what happened?
[02:24] <FFighter> I don't know.. I will restart the network, just a min
[02:27] <n2diy> I have to go check my weather radar, so when you responded, make sure you use my nick so I'm alerted to it.
[02:28] <n2diy> FFighter: I have to go check my weather radar, so when you responded, make sure you use my nick so I'm alerted to it.
[02:30] <FFighter> ok, restarted and the firewall is up again
[02:30] <FFighter> I had to manually select ppp0 as the "Internet connection network device"
[02:30] <FFighter> I can ping 192.168.0.2
[02:30] <FFighter> root@marcelo-desktop:/var# ping 192.168.0.3
[02:30] <FFighter> PING 192.168.0.3 (192.168.0.3) 56(84) bytes of data.
[02:30] <FFighter> ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted
[02:30] <FFighter> ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted
[02:30] <FFighter> what does that mean ?
[02:31] <FFighter> n2diy, Are you still here ?
[02:31] <FFighter> n2diy, Are you still here ?
[02:31] <n2diy> FFighter: yep
[02:31] <FFighter> n2diy, It somehow affected my internet connection, I disabled the firewall
[02:32] <n2diy> FFighter: ppp0 is your dial up connection, eth0 is your ethernet connection.
[02:32] <FFighter> I guess so
[02:33] <FFighter> But nas0 is still a mystery
[02:33] <FFighter> Maybe it is a bridge between ppp0 and eth0 ?
[02:33] <n2diy> FFighter: so eth0 should be selected as your network device.
[02:34] <FFighter> in firestarter ? Ok, I did it
[02:34] <FFighter> and ppp0 for internet
[02:34] <FFighter> when I start the firewall, the internet conn. seems to go down
[02:34] <FFighter> Is there some policy I should create to allow the internet connection to function properly ?
[02:35] <n2diy> FFighter: your herding cats again, we can't troubleshoot your lan, and internet connection at the same time, and hope to remain sane.
[02:35] <FFighter> ok ok ... sorry
[02:36] <FFighter> its just that I'm trying to solve since last week... sorry for that
[02:36] <n2diy> FFighter: and obviously ppp0 is working, or we wouldn't be talking to each other, right?
[02:36] <FFighter> yes, now that firestarter is off
[02:36] <FFighter> =)
[02:36] <n2diy> FFighter: firestarter is off, or the fire wall is off?
[02:37] <FFighter> I meant the firewall...
[02:38] <n2diy> FFighter: ok, did you allow 0.03 to connect in firestarter? Did it stick?
[02:39] <FFighter> What do you mean by "stick" ?
[02:39] <FFighter> if I was able to ping here from XP ?
[02:39] <n2diy> FFighter: It didn't change. Can you ping the other way?
[02:40] <FFighter> When I try to ping 192.168.0,3, it actually tries to ping 192.168.0.1... why does it routes 192.168.0.3 to 0.1 ?
[02:40] <FFighter> root@marcelo-desktop:/var# ping 192.168.0.3
[02:40] <FFighter> PING 192.168.0.3 (192.168.0.3) 56(84) bytes of data.
[02:40] <FFighter> From 192.168.0.1 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable
[02:40] <FFighter> From 192.168.0.1 icmp_seq=3 Destination Host Unreachable
[02:40] <FFighter> From 192.168.0.1 icmp_seq=4 Destination Host Unreachable
[02:42] <n2diy> FFighter: 0.01 is the bridge! Why are you using a bridge? Is it a physical device, or software?
[02:42] <FFighter> software
[02:42] <FFighter> The dial script I use creates it
[02:42] <FFighter> (nas0)
[02:42] <FFighter> as I was told to do by the tutorial I sent you
[02:42] <n2diy> FFighter: why do you need a dial script?
[02:43] <FFighter> http://www.linux-usb.org/SpeedTouch/ubuntu/index.html
[02:43] <n2diy> FFighter: wait, I'm loading it.
[02:43] <FFighter> It's the bootscript ...
[02:45] <FFighter> I think I need this script becouse my modem is so damn bad that it doesn't even have internal permanent memory, so I need to upload the firmware and dial through a script everytime I want to connect
[02:46] <FFighter> it doesn't have "a life of its own"
[02:48] <n2diy> FFighter: Ok, what if we enable connections from .0.01 in firestarter? I'll admit I'm guessing at this point.
[02:50] <FFighter> inbound conn. ?
[02:50] <FFighter> inbound conn. ?
[02:50] <n2diy> FFighter: I guess?
[02:50] <n2diy> FFighter: any other options?
[02:51] <FFighter> n2diy, it is still blocking my internet connection when I enable the firewall
[02:51] <FFighter> there's outbound connections
[02:52] <FFighter> but outbound is set to permissive ... I guess that means there's a "blacklist"
[02:52] <n2diy> ok, what do you have for outbound policy, I have permissive set, and nothing else in the boxes.
[02:53] <FFighter> the same as yours
[02:54] <n2diy> FFighter: And when you enable the firewall, you can't chat here?
[02:54] <FFighter> no
[02:54] <FFighter> internet connections goes blocked
[02:55] <n2diy> FFighter: Does the bridge have a config file, or something?
[02:55] <FFighter> hmmm... not that I know... the only reference I have is the tutorial I told you
[02:56] <FFighter> it is created the time I run the "dial" script
[02:56] <n2diy> FFighter: Ok, let me take another look at it.
[02:56] <FFighter> allright... no hurry ;)
[03:01] <n2diy> FFighter: Do you have an external modem handy?
[03:02] <FFighter> what is a handy ?
[03:03] <FFighter> oh, you mean another modem to test ?
[03:03] <n2diy> FFighter: That you could hook up to your box now? Yes, eliminate the bridge.
[03:03] <FFighter> no, I don't :(
[03:05] <n2diy> FFighter: Ok, I'm at a loss, I'm suspecting the bridge, since it is sending the pings, but no idea why? Maybe there is a Speedtouch list, or email list, google, etc...?
[03:06] <FFighter> n2diy, Ok, Thanks anyway, really appreciated your help
[03:06] <FFighter> thanks for your time... I will take a look somewhere else and see if there's a speedtouch list or something
[03:06] <n2diy> FFighter: Your more then welcome, it was fun. Let me know what you find out? n2diy@losch.net.
[03:07] <FFighter> n2diy, Yes, of course, I will email you once I get something
[03:07] <n2diy> FFighter: and quit herding cats, solve one problem at a time!
[03:07] <FFighter> haha
[03:07] <FFighter> ok, thanks for the advice!
[03:07] <FFighter> ^^
[03:08] <n2diy> FFighter:  :)
[03:08] <FFighter> have a good evening (well, at least it is evening here :)
[03:09] <n2diy> FFighter:  Same here in E. Pa., we're getting clobbered with T-Storms, so I have to shut down anyway.
[03:09] <n2diy> 73
[04:34] <kadaz> !easysource
[04:34] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[05:07] <kadaz> what the command to save a file @ console?
[05:08] <kadaz> txt file
[05:25] <nalioth> Flannel: there is no such animal as a "windows MBR"
[05:25] <nalioth> microsoft does not use anything in the MBR.
[05:25] <Flannel> windows has it's own bootloader in the MBR
[05:25] <Flannel> which grub stage1 overwrites, right?
[05:25] <nalioth> no, it doesn't
[05:26] <nalioth> windows uses a bootable hidden file in the root of the hard drive
[05:26] <nalioth> not the /mbr
[05:26] <nalioth> if one has linux and windows installed, all one has to do to become a windows only system again is wipe the mbr
[05:26] <Flannel> since when?
[05:27] <nalioth> XP does it this way
[05:27] <nalioth> i've not gotten hold of a Vista system to check
[05:27] <nalioth> w2k does it that way
[05:27] <Flannel> so, fixmbr just zeros the MBR?
[05:27] <nalioth> w95/98 does it
[05:27] <nalioth> i usually fdisk the mbr
[05:27] <Flannel> since, that's NEVER been te instructions we've given to restore windows
[05:28] <nalioth> i speak from experience
[05:28] <nalioth> there is no such animal
[05:31] <tonyyarusso> interesting
[05:33] <Flannel> nalioth: the interblags don't seem to agree with you.
[05:48] <nalioth> Flannel: as you wish.  i've done enough windows/linux stuff.  i've never seen windows do ANYthing with the MBR
[06:32] <n2diy>  nalioth, are still here?
[06:32] <nalioth> n2diy: i am
[06:33] <n2diy>  nalioth, Roger, when I was working with FFighter, I thought it was ok to dump is ifconfig here since thing seemed to be quit, was that ok?
[06:34] <n2diy> thing/things
[06:34] <n2diy> quit/quite
[06:34] <n2diy> I'd better lay down?
[06:35] <n2diy> is/his
[06:35] <n2diy> man, what is wrong with my keyboard? :)
[06:36] <nalioth> n2diy: better in a pastebin (pastebins last longer) but if you have to paste in a channel, this one is better than #ubuntu   :D
[06:37] <n2diy>  nalioth, yes, that is why I suggested he come over here. He was having trouble with the standard pastebin.
[06:38] <nalioth> then send them to non standard ones  :)   pastebin.ca  pastebin.com rafb etc
[06:39] <n2diy>  nalioth, I wasn't aware of them, but he found one.
[06:40] <nalioth> it's ok to paste a bit in here,  but it is really more helpful for all concerned to use a pastebin
[06:43] <n2diy>  nalioth, Yes, understood. I prefer to keep stuff on channel in #Ubuntu, but since he couldn't access pastebin, I suggested he come over here , and dump the output of is ifconfig. It was quite here, so I was hoping it would be a no harm, no foul situation.
[06:45] <nalioth> not a problem :)
[06:46] <n2diy> 10-4 take care. ttyl.