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Hobbseemorning all!04:28
Burgundaviahey Hobbsee04:29
Burgundaviacongrats on core-dev04:29
Hobbseehey Burgundavia :)04:30
Hobbseethankyou :)04:30
LaserJockhi Hobbsee 04:31
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Hobbseehi LaserJock :)04:32
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mneptokHobbsee! Sarah Hobbsee! she's the strangest gal on IRC! from the ... town of Sydney ... she's been accepted to the core-dev teeeeeeeam!04:58
Hobbseemneptok: indeed!04:58
Hobbseemneptok: how do you feel about the fact which i can upload stuff that you have to support, unassisted?04:59
mneptokHobbsee: how do you feel about the fact i hnow have access to your home phone number for people pissed at your uploads? >:)05:00
mneptok"Please hold as I transfer you ..."05:00
mneptokactually, that would violate the CoC in some way, so i guess i'll just keep hanging up on people.05:01
tonyyarussoHobbsee: Or even worse, mneptok has now gotten past the step of "getting your number".05:02
mneptokbut congrats, Hobbsomatic05:02
LaserJockHobbsomatic, that's funny05:08
bhaleso Hobbsee can sponsor me when my core membership expires in 6 days05:09
LaserJockbhale: you better get that fixed05:10
bhaleLaserJock: meh.05:10
bhalei dont upload often05:11
Hobbseemneptok: er, no you dont :P05:13
Hobbseemneptok: none of you has my home phone number05:13
Hobbseeer, unless you found it on the conference call, i guess05:13
Hobbseetonyyarusso: i try not to think on that :P05:13
Hobbseemneptok: :)05:14
Hobbseebhale: nah....you should get that fixed.05:14
johanbrToo bad Ubuntu doesn't have a separate set of devs that work on Ubuntu for Macs. In that case you could have called them the "Apple Core" team.05:14
bhaleHobbsee: i wanted kevin to take over beagle, but he reguarly disappears05:14
bhaleHobbsee: so it would be irresponsible to stop maintaining it, i guess05:14
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mneptokHobbsee: i do not. it was 100% in jest.05:21
mneptokHobbsee: and you may be assured that if anyone does, abuse of that would meet with swift and irreversible vengeance.05:22
LaserJockI wonder how much I'd have to pay to get Hobbsee's number05:22
LaserJockit would be so much fun to do 3am "How's Gnome today?" calls05:22
Burgundaviayou people are disturbing :)05:23
Burgundaviaand I am in pain from getting my wisdom teeth out05:23
mneptokthere's always discussion of going with the name over the acronym, but nothing ever happens05:23
LaserJockwha? surely you jest?05:23
bhaleBurgundavia: percoset is calling05:24
Burgundaviahad some less than 3 hours ago05:24
mneptokBurgundavia: with vodka?05:24
LaserJockBurgundavia: how many did you have taken out?05:24
Burgundaviaall 405:25
LaserJockyeah, that's no fun05:25
Burgundaviamneptok: do not drink drugs with alcohol05:25
Burgundaviait is actually pretty good05:25
LaserJockI had mine 2 at a time over 2 weeks05:25
Burgundaviathe pain is just low grade and very annoying05:25
Burgundaviaprevents me from being able to concentrate, basiclaly05:25
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AndyPwisdom teeth are just feature bloat05:26
LaserJockmy dental work is always in the morning and I'm just not much good at work all day05:26
LaserJockAndyP: lol05:26
BurgundaviaAndyP: they didn't use to be05:26
AndyPyeah, my orthodontist said jaws are getting smaller05:27
Burgundaviawisdom teeth exist because we would wear out our old teeth on hard food05:27
Burgundaviabasically, it was your third and final set of molars05:27
mneptokthe feature was made obsolete with the addition of libagriculture.so calls in v1.305:27
Burgundaviaand then you died at 3005:28
AndyPmneptok: :)05:28
Burgundaviaand dentist 2.005:28
AndyPso the moral of the story is chew more rocks05:28
Burgundaviapretty much05:28
bhalei like to eat ice05:29
bhalei cant leave a cup with ice in it05:29
Burgundaviatry ice with grit in it05:30
mneptokor a frozen v1.305:30
Burgundaviathat will help the weardown of your old molars, leaving room from your wisdom teeth05:30
bhalemy wisdom teeth came out years ago05:30
Burgundaviaof course, this is all advice given by a man in pain and hopped up on drugs...05:30
Burgundaviaok, new topic05:31
mneptokBurgundavia: that's my epitaph05:31
Burgundaviadid anybody notice the total lack of press attention give to Fedora 7?05:31
evandObviously, it's not Ubuntu. :)05:32
LaserJockI tried getting it downloaded today05:34
LaserJockthe instrument manager at the uni needs RH/Fedora systems for the Java app we have05:34
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LaserJockseems like most of the mirrors are pretty  hammered05:34
LaserJocknot as bad as Feisty by any means05:35
LaserJockbut seems like people are getting it05:35
Burgundaviaredhat has already had problems at release time05:35
AndyPi had a go at yum upgrading to it from an FC6 install a few days ago... not a scratch on dist-upgrading a debian box05:35
BurgundaviaI think canonical just throws more resources at it05:35
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LaserJockBurgundavia: I used some of my usual mirrors05:36
LaserJockUC Irvine had a sweet connection05:36
LaserJockwas getting 6MB/s05:36
LaserJockbut after 200MB it'd dump me05:36
Hobbseemneptok: heh.  true that.05:43
HobbseeLaserJock: a lot :P05:43
Hobbseei dont actually have a problem giving out my mobile - because only i asnwer it.  but i'm sure you all dont want to speak to my parents and such, who tend to answer the home phone.05:44
LaserJockoh I don't know05:44
LaserJock"Mr. and Mrs. Hobbsee, do you know where you daughter is?"05:44
LaserJock"Well, I do"05:44
LaserJock"She's been online all day with a bunch of nerds. And I bet she didn't even get her homework done/"05:45
Hobbseethey've kinda figured that out05:45
Hobbseeand i do try to keep doing my homework05:45
tonyyarussoHobbsee: I might - it could be entertaining05:47
Amaranthpfft, you're core-dev now05:47
Amaranthkiss homework goodbye, we own you05:47
Amaranthwho else will upload our stuff to main? :)05:48
Hobbseetempting, tempting...05:48
Hobbseebut i would fail uni that way05:48
Hobbseeif i dont already, due to UDS and the aftermath05:48
AndyPtoday's cartoon on pcweenies.org is very relevant to the homework conversation05:49
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Hobbseenight welshbyte05:57
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StevenKSilly LeeJunFan ${whoami} expands to nothing.06:10
HobbseeStevenK: whoami is used in supybots, and other irc bots.  does seem a little odd there though06:12
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pygigood morning10:33
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Hobbseeevening all01:38
bhalehi Hobbsee 01:41
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pygiyou do know that doesn't work, right?01:44
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Hobbseehi Spads 01:44
=== Hobbsee wonders why it's so quiet everywhere
pygipeople are working :P01:47
pygiunlike some :P01:47
=== Hobbsee has been at work.
=== Hobbsee has just gotten home.
pygioh, ok :p01:48
bhaleHobbsee: its 7:50am here..01:50
bhaleand earlier to the west01:50
Hobbseebhale: ah, point.  we're strangely short on europeans though01:52
Hobbseeand australians, come to think of it01:52
ajmitchhello Hobbsee 01:54
Hobbseehi non-aussie01:54
ajmitchpossibly due to the weekend, and people wanting to have a semblance of a social life01:54
bhalespeaking of social life, yesterday i somehow came upon a tab in firefox with "bars of kings cross"01:55
bhalei havent the slightlest clue how i came to open that01:55
Spadsare there any good ones?01:55
bhaleI wasnt interested in bars in kings cross when i was IN kings cross01:55
bhaleSpads: not in my limited experience01:56
Spadsdidn't think so01:56
Hobbseebhale: assuming you mean the kings cross in au?01:56
bhalea bunch of nasty old fat guys trying to suck you into their strip club01:56
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Hobbseeor offer you drugs01:56
bhaleI walked down that way at night with AndyFitz a few times for laughs01:57
ajmitchit's an interesting area01:57
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bhaleHobbsee: perhaps an asian girl an lingerie will ask you if you want to "go upstairs"?01:57
ajmitchthe hotel for UDU was right nearby, it was the quickest way to get through to the city area01:57
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Hobbseebhale: heh.  cant say that'd be tempting in the slightest - i'm straight.02:01
bhaleHobbsee: I wasnt either, considering the circumstances02:01
Hobbseeof course, had i been otherwise, i could have probably had plenty of fun with quinn...02:02
Hobbseeoh wait.  i'm not "big and curvy enough"02:02
bhalewait a second..02:02
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Hobbseenot anymore02:03
elkbuntu_bhale, not last month she didnt02:03
Hobbseequinn got rid of it for UDS.02:03
bhaleelkbuntu_: oh goodness02:03
elkbuntubhale, she lost that and gained something(s) else02:04
bhalenow i dont feel bad for being confused all this time02:04
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pygihey jsgotangco 03:53
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jsgotangcopygi: hi! how are things?03:55
Hobbseehi spam03:57
Hobbseehi pygi 03:57
jsgotangcohey Hobbsee how's the night going03:58
pygiHobbsee, ^_^03:58
pygijsgotangco, pretty good. What about you/03:58
Hobbseejsgotangco: good, i escaped work :)03:59
jsgotangcopygi: not bad, this week was promising, hoping for something to bear fruit next week03:59
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mneptokTransmission is not a bad torrent client. a little too GUIfied for my tastes, but it will probably appeal to the Windows converts.04:43
Hobbseehi mneptok 04:44
mneptokheya Hobbsee 04:44
Hobbseeyou've gotten over your horror, then?04:44
mneptokmy what now?04:44
mneptokor, rather, *which* horror? every day is a new horizon! :)04:45
Hobbseeover me being able to upload directly to what you have to support.04:45
kylemheya kurt.04:45
mneptokoh, like i said, i can just continue to hang up on people.04:45
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StevenKSurely he doesn't support Gutsy, so the pain won't hit until October ...04:46
mneptokkylem: any MTL plans in the near future?04:46
SeveasStevenK, that doesn't matter. He'll still hang up (on) people04:46
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kylemmneptok, heh, everywhere in the world but, unfortunately.04:46
StevenKSeveas: He04:46
StevenKHeh, even04:47
mneptokespecially after checking $MAINTAINER since Hobbsee's core-dev acceptance04:48
mneptok"Oh, you're having problems with ..... *click*"04:48
Hobbseemneptok: wont help.  see the debian maintainer field spec.04:48
Seveas"Oh, that was uploaded by some weird aussie girl. Can't support that"04:48
HobbseeSeveas: purely evil bitchy psycopathic from au, tyvm.04:49
SeveasHobbsee, you forgot the pokey and cuddly :)04:49
HobbseeSeveas: purely evil sexy pyscopathic bitch from au, tyvm.04:49
mneptokHobbsee: can we expect your unfailing adherence to the letter of the CoC now? ;)04:49
Seveasmneptok, maybe the C04:49
Hobbseemneptok: no.  i'm afraid i'm still me.04:49
mneptokI GOTTA BE ME, BABY!04:50
HobbseeSeveas: pokey as in me poking other people, or them poking me?04:50
mneptokthis. is. not. happening.04:50
Hobbseeheh, right04:50
=== Hobbsee is glad there arent pictures from the airport, incidently.
Seveasthere are :P)04:51
Seveasin my stash of blackmail pics04:51
Hobbseelike janew's of elkbuntu?04:51
Hobbseewell, wherever she's gotten that from04:51
jsgotangcoHobbsee: well...04:52
Hobbseeyes, spam?04:52
Seveasspeaking of blackmail, dinda still has to send me the video04:52
Hobbseewhihc video?04:53
Seveasme and markvandenborre singing04:53
jsgotangcoHobbsee: you'll be dunked in the pool soon for sure04:53
Hobbseejsgotangco: nooo.  anyone who does will be in a *lot* of pain afterwards04:54
Hobbseeas will popey.04:54
Hobbseebesides, i did actually go in the pool04:54
Seveaswhy popey? What did he do now?04:54
Hobbseethere's even a picture of it04:54
Hobbseepopey was evil04:55
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Seveashe still is04:55
Hobbseei know04:55
Hobbseehe needs large amounts of punishmnet04:55
Seveasbut that's not enough to cast the Hobbsee spell on him04:55
Hobbseewith a baseball bat.04:55
jsgotangcoa baseball bat covered with barbed wire04:56
Hobbseea baseball bat with enough force can do lots of damage.04:56
StevenKHow about a chained mace?04:56
Hobbseethat'd work04:56
jsgotangcowhy settle for lots when you can do lots and lots more04:56
StevenKBig metal spiky ball on a chain.04:56
Hobbseejsgotangco: because killing people tends to be against the COC.04:56
StevenK(Also called a flail, for you pedants)04:57
HobbseeStevenK: yeah, that's starting to sound reasonable.04:57
StevenKHobbsee: I suspect airport security would have taken it off you. :-P04:57
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HobbseeStevenK: who says i needed to use it at the airport?04:57
Hobbseeany day on popey would have sufficed.04:57
StevenKYou needed someone to get it to Spain.04:58
StevenKEr, some way04:58
Hobbseei'm sure some guadalinux person could have brought it04:58
StevenK"I'd like you to bring a flail."04:58
racarrI'm not sure how you manage to get through airport security with your fingers04:58
StevenKI bet they get that question at least twice a day.04:59
StevenKracarr: Hah04:59
Hobbseetheyw ere more interested in my shoes than my fingers.04:59
racarrYes. Those hurt too.04:59
=== Hobbsee ponders that...
Hobbseei guess popey could be made an example.05:00
pygithe spinach guy?05:00
racarrMy toenails are still messed up from your vicious assault05:00
racarrI'm not even kidding.05:00
Hobbseeawww, sorry about that.  you'll have to blame Seveas for that, iirc.05:00
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racarr...Yeah...he's definitely the person to blame there05:00
SeveasHobbsee, nope05:00
Hobbseeas he had my wrists05:00
Hobbseeor was it Mithrandir then?05:00
SeveasI didn't stomp on his feet :)05:00
racarrNo, I'm talking about the other time05:00
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Hobbseei only got your toes once.05:01
Seveasmaybe that was in the night you can't take responsibility for?05:01
racarrYeah, it was05:01
HobbseeSeveas: i was about to say that05:01
Seveasthat night you even kissed popey05:01
Hobbseelike i say, i dont remember much of that night05:01
racarrThat's awfully convenient for you05:01
Hobbseehah.  bullshit.05:01
Hobbseethat i certainly didnt.05:01
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elkbuntueh? who is talking about me?05:02
racarrYou did try to kiss/bite hans05:02
=== Hobbsee wonders what actually happened that night
Hobbseeyeah...well, he was in my face.  biting worked well.  works for fingers, too.05:03
racarrand nothing actually happened, we just sat on the couches (for a change!)05:03
racarroh wait.05:03
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Hobbseei know i attacked you, but i cant really remember more detail than that.05:03
Keybukcor, NM worked today05:03
Hobbseemorning Keybuk :)05:03
racarrThree times actually. 05:04
Hobbseeperhaps we make Keybuk carry the mace for next time.05:04
Hobbseethen elkbuntu and i can use it on popey05:04
HobbseeKeybuk: large implemetn used for hurting people.05:04
racarrErr, just to clarify, are we talking about pepper spray mace or mace mace05:04
racarrmace mace05:04
SeveasKeybuk, now that Hobbsee is core-dev she wants to torture people05:04
=== Hobbsee pft
elkbuntuSeveas, and how is this different to before?05:04
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KeybukSeveas: why else do you think she was approved? :)05:05
SeveasKeybuk, can't really think of something else :)05:05
HobbseeKeybuk: wouldnt shut up until i was?  :P05:05
mjg59You mean she wants to keep people in line?05:05
mjg59Sounds excellent05:05
racarrLike, she wants to rip off their limbs05:05
Seveasmjg59, more like in pieces05:05
Hobbseedepends on what they do.05:05
mjg59That would be a CoC violation05:06
mjg59So I'm sure it won't be a problem05:06
Hobbseemjg59: that's entirely dependant on symantics.05:06
racarrsemantics too05:06
Keybukmjg59: not if she did it respectfully05:06
mjg59At least, I really hope we don't have to explicitly add "Physical violence" to the list of things that aren't allowed05:06
Hobbseeand who we're talkinga about pulling apart05:06
Hobbseeracarr: yes, thankyou05:06
Seveasmjg59, there is a loophole in the CoC - we figured that one out when talking about a certain person :)05:06
HobbseeSeveas: hahahhaha.  yep05:06
Hobbseemjg59: then i'd get shot at UDS.  mind you, Seveas did try to break my wrist.05:06
KeybukSeveas: you mean apart from the fact it doesn't say "I agree..." anywhere in it?05:07
racarrpoor non-violent Sarah attacked05:07
SeveasKeybuk, heh :)05:07
=== Hobbsee looks sweetly and innocently around
Hobbseesurely i wouldnt bash anyone up?05:07
Keybukzshing people up is more fun05:07
Hobbseeunless they deserved it, of course.05:07
kylemcrestline is awesome.05:07
Hobbseewhich popey does, hence the need for the mace.05:08
=== desrt is fairly sure that he didn't read anything about dismemberment in the CoC
=== Seveas tcshs Keybuk
racarrI only deserved it one time :/05:08
mneptokracarr: "Rip off people's limbs and beat them with the wet end." tyvm ;)05:08
Hobbseedesrt: exactly05:08
Hobbseedesrt: so it must be pending a CC decision, which hasnt occured yet.05:09
Keybuk"'tis but a flesh wound!"05:09
Hobbseeso it must be fine.05:09
mneptokKeybuk: you a zsh user?05:09
desrtHobbsee; they can't fault you on that which has not yet been decided05:09
Keybukmneptok: yes05:09
Hobbseedesrt: exactly05:09
=== Hobbsee must then bash popey quickly.
Hobbseeand anyone else who deserves it05:09
=== Seveas hides
mneptokKeybuk: suave! we need to identify others in the company so we can start feeling superior!05:09
Keybukmneptok: getent passwd | grep zsh05:10
=== jsgotangco is lurking the chan
elkbuntuHobbsee, can I add people to your list? :D05:10
=== Keybuk wonders what he has to do to earn a beating
Hobbseeelkbuntu: sure.  who were you thinking of?05:10
Hobbseeelkbuntu: you could just join me05:10
elkbuntuHobbsee, half the commenters to my blog ;)05:10
HobbseeKeybuk: i dont think you'd like the type of beating i'd give05:10
desrtKeybuk; i've got you covered, if you like.05:10
racarrKeybuk: Basically, you spend time around her05:10
KeybukHobbsee: maybe I'm into S&M?05:10
Seveaselkbuntu, stab-over-ip :)05:10
desrtKeybuk; and bible studies?05:10
racarrKeybuk: And it just kind of happens after that05:10
HobbseeKeybuk: i'd guessed as much, but presumably not into being bashed in the head.05:10
mjg59Keybuk: Dude.05:10
elkbuntuSeveas, i'm yet to hear the result of that project05:10
desrtKeybuk; not everyone's cup of tea....05:10
mjg59I think that's -offtopic fodder05:11
racarrHobbsee: Or shoved off a balcony.05:11
Seveasmjg59, unlike the rest of this talk :)05:11
HobbseeKeybuk: i suspect being smashed out isnt your idea of a good time.05:11
mjg59"Topicdiff: Added "Discussion of sexual preferences is not on-tpoic"05:11
elkbuntumjg59, only if you care to join us to lart the ones that get a bit too excited05:11
desrt /topic Dev of ubuntu (no help, no gutsy, no app dev, no fetishes)05:12
=== Hobbsee makes a note to coat herself in metal the next time she meets you people.
Hobbseethat way, i cant be broken.05:12
=== desrt makes a note to bring an MRI machine
jsgotangcoyou'll sink in the pool though05:12
mneptokHobbsee: we'll just pee on you until you rust05:12
Hobbseejsgotangco: i wont be going in the pool.05:12
elkbuntumneptok, eeeewwwwwwww05:13
racarrthat was just a strange threat05:13
mneptokracarr: it was no threat.05:13
Hobbseeracarr: mneptok's strange.05:13
jsgotangcothat is really strange05:13
elkbunturacarr, you haven't met mneptok before?05:13
Seveasracarr, mneptok is the definition of strange05:13
racarrI don't think I have?05:13
=== desrt likes mneptok :)
HobbseeSeveas: i thought he was the definition of batshit insane05:13
=== mneptok is the village bicycle!
Hobbseealthough maybe that's some of the customers.05:13
Seveasmneptok, macho man :p05:13
Hobbseemjg59: hm?05:13
mjg59Seriously, I think this should probably go elsewhere :p05:13
Hobbseemeh.  there's nothing else going on05:14
elkbuntumjg59, as humourous as it is, i agree05:14
Hobbseeand i still need to figure out how best to injure popey :P05:14
Seveasit's caturday. Who's doing serious work?05:14
mjg59Well, I'm hung over05:14
=== Hobbsee was. but that was earlier.
mjg59Otherwise I would be05:14
Hobbseeso you're on irc05:14
Seveashangover + mneptok == bad idea05:14
Hobbseeso that's why you werent at the meeting yesterday...05:14
Keybukmjg59: I'm surprised you're up!05:14
mneptokoh dear. when i've crossed the mjg "inappropriate threshhold" it *really* means i'm over the line.05:14
desrtSeveas; er.. isn't there something about "the dog that bit you"?05:15
desrtSeveas; it might work05:15
ompaulSeveas, and anything that might induce that state for mneptok might also be an issue :)05:16
mneptokdon't hate me because i'm beautiful.05:17
Hobbseedesrt: why a MRI machine, btw?05:17
mjg59I woke up to find a beer next to my bed05:17
mjg59So I did the right thing05:17
ompaulmjg59, are you going to share that information with us?05:17
desrtHobbsee; 3..7T magnetic fields05:17
Hobbseedesrt: heh, right.05:17
desrtHobbsee; if you have a quarter in your pocket a few metres away you're gonna feel it05:17
=== Hobbsee doesnt deal in quarters
desrtHobbsee; if you're dressed in metal you're gonna be somewhat worse off05:18
Hobbseecue Hobbsee flying across the room.05:18
Hobbseebesides, i doubt Keybuk ever saw me being violent.05:18
KeybukI don't believe so05:18
Hobbseeso you shouldnt give him other ideas now.05:18
ompaulHobbsee, hang on to the pointy stick of doom as you fly across the room ;-)05:18
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=== Hobbsee always wanted to fly.
Hobbseemaybe that should go on my todo list.05:19
ompaulHobbsee, you swam to spain?05:19
KeybukI find that feeling wears off about 1/3 the way on a LHR/SYD hop05:19
Hobbseeompaul: i meant without a plane05:19
HobbseeKeybuk: haha, yeah.05:19
HobbseeKeybuk: that far in, hey?05:19
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desrtKeybuk; if you're flying *from* LHR, the feeling wears off standing in the various lines05:19
=== Hobbsee wasnt insane enough to fly thru LHR.
KeybukHobbsee: flying without a plane05:20
KeybukI believe that's technically known as "falling"05:20
HobbseeKeybuk: in which direction, though?05:20
=== Hobbsee would like to be able to fly without falling
mneptokor "time for rehab"05:20
elkbuntuHobbsee, or without unionised pigeons05:21
Hobbseewho's doing the rehab session?05:21
Hobbseeelkbuntu: you do realise that if we hadnt been delayed out of singapore, we would have been delayed due to fog in sydney, most likely?05:22
SeveasHobbsee, flying's not that hard. You let yourself go and be distracted just in time so you miss the ground 05:22
KeybukHobbsee: that usually involves a Cessna05:22
HobbseeKeybuk: hmm?05:23
elkbuntuHobbsee, still, it's worth demonising the pigeons05:23
Hobbseethen there could have been mroe plane flights!  woo!05:23
Hobbseetwitch.  shudder.05:23
elkbuntuHobbsee, then we could have topped ajmitch's record!05:23
Hobbseeyou could have, anyway05:23
elkbuntuinstead of equalled05:23
elkbuntuyeah, i could have05:23
=== Hobbsee ponders
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=== Hobbsee wonders why people have such an obsession with throwing her in the pool.
racarrBecause you keep on bringing it up.05:24
desrtHobbsee; don't take it personally.  i got it at UDS too :(05:24
Hobbseeracarr: i didnt originally though05:24
racarr"Why do you always want to throw me in the pool!" "Oh yeah, we forgot about it, go for it!"05:25
=== Hobbsee points at Seveas
desrtnever trust the french :(05:25
Hobbseedesrt: heh.  or the dutch.05:25
racarryeah, but that's Seveas05:25
Hobbseeespecially the mad dutchmen.05:25
racarrand even he got over it05:25
racarrPlus, I think I was the only one that came close to being thrown in the pool05:25
Hobbseeeventually.  maybe.  before he got bashed with a large metal object, anyway05:25
=== Hobbsee isnt violent. really1
=== Hobbsee isnt violent. really
=== Hobbsee isnt violent. really!
Hobbseegah.  third time lucky.05:26
Hobbseeguilty as charged.  what will you do?05:26
mc44Hobbsee: protest too much?05:26
Hobbseeactually, dont do that.05:26
elkbuntuHobbsee, tickle you mercilessly next time you're within reach05:26
racarrmc44: Expect her to deny it three times05:26
Hobbseeelkbuntu: oh dear.05:27
Hobbseeelkbuntu: but we had an agreement!05:27
Hobbseeso we'd survive on the plane...05:27
elkbuntuHobbsee, who said it would be on a plane05:27
Hobbsee"oh dear, the two aussie chicks on the plane to UDS died due to excessive tickling and poking"05:27
Hobbseewhat other reason would you have to be in sydney?05:27
HobbseeOH NOES!!!05:28
Keybukyou can always tell the Australians at Heathrow05:28
Keybukthey start giggling when the tube train arrives to take them to the city05:28
HobbseeKeybuk: well, we did go down to BA by accident.  so we almost went to heathrow :P05:28
Hobbseewe dont have tube trains here.05:28
elkbuntuyeah, stupid frankfurt05:28
elkbuntuat least we got to part ways with the screaming toddler05:29
HobbseeSeveas: yeah, well.  elkbuntu didnt explode due to lack of smoke05:29
racarrelkbuntu: I'm hurt that you would say that.05:29
elkbunturacarr, no, you're the baby :05:30
Hobbseeracarr: because you're jealous of the screaming todler?05:30
Hobbseeand wanted to be the screaming todler at UDS, being the youngest?  :P05:30
racarr...err. No? The joke was05:30
elkbunturacarr, first day onestone was there "whelp.. better go wake the baby"05:31
racarrelkbuntu: ...05:31
elkbuntui cant remember who else heard that, probably tonio05:31
=== Hobbsee rofl's
=== Hobbsee didnt...
Hobbseewhy didnt you tell me this?05:31
Hobbseei could have teased him with it all week!  :P05:31
elkbunturacarr, if it makes you feel better, i think it was s/the/my/05:31
Hobbseeas well as being a crazy american tourist.05:31
racarrelkbuntu: Err...05:32
Hobbseeelkbuntu: i think you traumatised him now.05:33
Hobbseeelkbuntu: what were you saying about "think of the children"?05:33
elkbuntuHobbsee, ;)05:33
ompaulracarr, s/tourist/hacker/g - she don't know the diff :-)   05:33
ompaul /me runs05:33
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racarrIf she used emacs it has a mode for comparing tourist hacker diffs.05:34
racarrSee what you are missing out on Hobbsee?05:34
ompaulracarr, :-)05:35
Hobbseeracarr: haha05:35
Keybukoh, wow05:39
Keybukthe GNOME Typing Break thing supports compiz/beryl05:39
Keybukand dims the background without evil pixmap copying05:39
Keybukthat is so awesome05:39
wasabiif only the logout button and upgrade manager did that05:40
Hobbseedoes it do kde?05:40
Keybukwasabi: *looks pointedly at racarr* I'm sure they can <g>05:40
wasabiyay latest kernel breaks vmware... again05:41
Keybukwasabi: ?05:41
racarrIt's just a matter of checking for a composite manager selection and setting an XProp, so yeah easy05:41
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racarrit would be nice for the screensaver too so there is not that flicker05:41
wasabiI'd like to see the screen saver actually take advantage of it in some cool way.05:42
wasabiFOr instance, draw the screen saver BEFORE blacking the background, gradually.05:42
wasabiSo fish start swimming across as the background darkens.05:42
KeybukI use the glslideshow screensaver05:42
KeybukI thought it'd be really cool if the first thing it did was pan the desktop about, then fade into a picture05:42
wasabiheh yeah05:42
racarr*shrug* If the screensaver didn't black the background when there was a composite manager05:42
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racarrthen the composite manager could fade it in like everything else05:42
wasabiI'd like to see Nautilus do it for desktop background too.05:42
wasabiOS X has this thing where you can run screensavers as desktop backgrounds: slide show being one.05:43
KeybukI guess compiz gets rid of the need to do cheesy gamma slides too05:43
wasabiAnd it will do the fading transitions on the background, with the icons staying put05:43
Keybukooh, Recent Documents got fixed too05:44
racarrYou could do that with xwinwrap if you were using Xgl05:44
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racarrWith the background, I would kind of like to see the composite manager draw the background, and the desktop manager draw the icons on to a transparent window.05:45
wasabiyeah totally05:46
racarrBecause if you want different wallpapers per viewport, then you need to have one desktop window for each viewport (it's not practical to create a window that spans them all obviously), and if you had say 3*3 viewports, and half of them were using the same wallpaper05:46
Keybuknautilus has this weird window it draws across the root, doesn't it05:46
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wasabiYeah, i've always wondered why it does that... can't it just draw to the root?05:46
Keybukwasabi: iirc, it's so it can draw the icons on top of it05:46
wasabiCan it not somehow take control of the root? :)05:47
Keybukoddly enough, this makes it easier to fix05:47
Keybuksince we wouldn't want it drawing to the root anyway05:47
wasabiOh, that's true... it can draw a transparent root05:47
racarrthat's a complete waste of RAM, because the desktop manager will have to create multiple windows for each with the same wallpaper, but the composite manager can just have one texture and draw it on a quad :P05:47
Keybukit just needs to leave the window transparent and let the composite manager do the merging05:47
Keybukand then leave the background to the manager05:47
racarrit would be really easy to patch actually I don't know if GNOME would want it...05:47
Keybukthis would likely be a trivial patch05:47
KeybukUbuntu would like it <g>05:47
Keybukdifferent desktop backgrounds per screen seems like a bling feature to me05:48
wasabiThis would let you run xscreensaver -root too05:48
Keybukyou could have 4 in a row, with a panorama05:48
wasabiWhich would solve the entire thing05:48
elkbuntuKeybuk, it's a common question, for sure05:48
HobbseeKeybuk: and if shoved hard enough, GNOME might like it too?  :P05:48
wasabiI don't see why Gnome wouldn't want it05:48
elkbuntuwasabi, *cough*linus*cough*05:49
KeybukLinus doesn't use GNOME05:49
wasabiyeah heh05:49
wasabimetacity has composite support no05:49
elkbuntuKeybuk, but he submitted patches to it, and they rejected them05:49
Keybukpatches to do what?05:49
racarrwasabi: Err, no, the composite manager is drawing to root....05:49
elkbuntuKeybuk, some part of gnome, cant remember which05:50
wasabiracarr: oh yes... hmmm05:50
Keybukprobably changing metacity to behave differently05:50
Keybukor adding an option05:50
KeybukGNOME really hate it when you give them patches to do that05:50
elkbuntuKeybuk, i think the latter05:50
racarrAnyway, I will make the patch for nautilus05:50
racarrLater today or something05:50
racarrand err, the patch was to make the third mouse button configurable in metacity?05:50
racarrI think05:51
wasabiSo what you really need to do, to accomplish what I want, is for xscreensaver to introduce a new fullscreen window.05:51
wasabijust on top of root, but under everything else05:51
wasabiincluding nautilus05:51
elkbunturacarr, that or printing.. my brain keeps saying printing, but i dont trust it05:51
racarrelkbuntu: I am sure it was related to a third mouse button, I just don't remember in what regard05:51
racarrwasabi: Yeah, or err05:52
racarrwasabi: For the composite manager to render the desktop05:52
racarrwe would have a Pixmap for the contents obviously, and bind a texture to it to actually render it05:52
Keybukso the composite manager would grow a background plugin?05:52
racarrso we could expose the Pixmap via an X property (and obviously this is cheap because it is all server side)05:52
racarrand then your screensaver program could use XRender to composite on to the Pixmap05:53
wasabiI don't see why the background can't be handled exactly like it is now... a big full window.05:53
racarrto draw on the background05:53
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wasabiIt can just be ANOTHER big full window, under nautilus05:53
racarrWell, it could be05:53
Keybukwasabi: you'd need a window per viewport?05:53
racarrbut this would save you another big window05:53
wasabiYes. Which would give you the multi background thing.05:53
racarrErr, wait, are you talking about screensaver on desktop, or the actual background?05:53
racarrthe reason you want the composite manager to draw the background05:54
wasabiYou could write a program to do the background, any background. Moving or not.05:54
racarris because you NEED a window per viewport, so if you have 5 desktops that are the same, and 5 that are different05:54
racarryou need 10 times fullscreen sized windows, you don't with the compositor 05:54
racarrplus if you give the compositor a 3000x3000 image05:54
racarrand it draws it on to your 1280x1024 background05:55
racarrthen it's scaled by GL obviously, so with say the zoom plugin05:55
racarrwhen you zoom in, you wouldn't lose quality05:55
racarrno pixelatin I mean05:55
wasabiyah but you lose quality on the rest of the desktop05:55
wasabiso we should fix that. :)05:55
racarrYeah, but either way, it saves resources, and has a potentially nice effect05:55
wasabiWell, my only desire is to use xscreensaver for hte background.05:55
wasabiAnd I don't use viewports or nothin.05:56
racarragain, you can use xwinwrap to do that but it relies on XGL specifically 05:56
=== Keybuk wants a 5120x3072 background image <g>
wasabieither way, I could just ignore the composit manager's background.05:57
racarrUm, you could put a window under the transparent nautilus window as well05:57
racarrOr, the composite manager could set an X property on the desktop window that contains the Pixmap being used for the background05:57
racarrso that other apps can draw in to it05:57
racarrYou obviously can't do that reliably if you have a window as the background (because it gets repainted when you interact, etc)05:58
wasabiI'm not even sure how viewports work at that level.05:58
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racarrKeybuk: And yeah, the compositor would get some sort of wallpaper plugin.05:59
racarrErr, a second too late :P05:59
wasabiExplain that again, I missed it. Why is it better for the compositor to do this?05:59
racarrWe actually already sort of have it built in to cube but eh05:59
racarrwasabi: Ok, so if you have 3*3 viewports05:59
racarrand say a hypothetical 100x100 resolution06:00
ion_Id like a *slowly* changing nice-looking animation as a background. A composite manager collaborating with the desktop would achieve that trivially.06:00
racarrand lets say you want a different wallpaper on each viewport, or anything besides the same wallpaper on every viewport (even with 8 with 1 background, 1 with another)06:00
wasabiion_: So would xscreensaver running as a window right above root.06:00
racarrthen you need 9 100x100 windows06:00
wasabiracarr: Okay?06:01
wasabiracarr: And how is 9 windows any worse than  9 viewports?06:01
racarrBecause 9 fullscreen windows sitting in video ram is a lot06:01
wasabiWould they be there if you weren't viewing their screen?06:01
racarrBut lets say in reality you only had06:01
racarr2 backgrounds, 06:01
racarrand were tiling them on your 9 viewports06:01
racarrthen with the composite manager drawing it, you can get away with having only 2 pixmaps06:02
racarras opposed to 906:02
wasabiAll 9 are in video ram even when you aren't viewing them?06:02
ion_wasabi: It wouldnt be very easy to have antialiased desktop icons and text against that.06:02
racarryes, that's what you have to do with viewports06:02
ion_wasabi: Without compositing, that is.06:02
racarras opposed to workspaces06:02
wasabiion_: We are talking aout compositing.06:02
ion_wasabi: Yes. :-)06:03
wasabiracarr: Could the viewports reference the same texture in the server?06:03
wasabierr, the 9 windows.06:03
wasabiNot the viewports06:03
racarrwasabi: Err, there is not a texture from the perspective of the windows06:04
wasabiWell, pixmap then06:04
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racarrNot...really 06:04
Keybukcompiz is crashing!06:04
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wasabioh noes!06:04
racarrthey could reference the same image for the background, but they still have to have their own windows to draw the background on06:05
racarrand the window has a pixmap06:05
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HobbseeKeybuk: blame racarr 06:05
racarrKeybuk: Err, I said this a second or so after you left06:05
racarryes the compositor would have a background plugin added, but we already sort of have one06:05
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wasabiSo what are viewports? Something created by the compositor itself?06:05
wasabiWithout help from the X server?06:05
racarrno...there is help from the X server...mm. but the compositor can reuse the same 2 pixmaps06:06
racarrbecause from the perspective of the compositor, drawing the desktop background06:06
racarris just drawing a quad with a texture before it draws the other windows06:06
racarrHobbsee: Thanks :)06:06
wasabiHmm. So, In the 9x9 situation, why would there have to be 9 windows?06:07
Hobbseeracarr: no problems, crazy american tourist.06:07
wasabiWhy can't you have one window per desktop, and show it on the viewports it belongs one06:07
wasabierr, one window per diferent picture06:07
racarrErr, you mean 3x3 ?06:07
wasabiyes, or 9x9 =)06:07
wasabiWindows can span viewports...06:07
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racarrAnd, you sort of could with a protocol to tell the compositor "This window covers these viewports, this window covers these other viewports"06:07
Keybukso today turns out to be a bad day to have dist-upgrade'd06:08
racarrbut that's also kind of strange, because if you right clicked on the window, and a menu popped up, in some situation where you can see more than one viewport06:08
wasabiracarr: Can't you have one window on many viewports?06:08
racarrthen it would only show on the ones that had the same desktop background :P06:08
wasabithe popup menu wouldbe it's own window06:08
wasabion the single viewport that existed when it was right clicked on06:08
racarrbut it would be drawn in various places, just like the desktop window (under your scheme)06:09
wasabiOkay, first question, can a single window exist in multiple viewports at the same time?06:09
wasabiI was under the impression that it could06:09
racarrYes. 06:09
wasabiAnd the program creating the window can control what viewports.06:09
racarrIn that it can move it in to a viewport, yes06:10
wasabiHmm, but it can't be seen on both?06:10
racarrIt can...like when you move a window over the edge in cube06:10
racarrand you can sticky a window, i.e. in all viewports06:10
wasabicompiz gives me a selection which lets me decide what viewports the window shows on06:10
racarrBut, for desktop windows06:11
racarrdesktop windows are right now painted in every viewport, so like I said06:11
wasabiactually compiz crashes today. heh06:11
racarrthere would have to be a way to tell the compositor "make me the desktop window for viewports 2 3 7 and 9"06:11
wasabiWhy the "desktop window?"06:11
wasabiWhy not just another application owned window, that happens to be one z-index above root06:11
wasabiWhy does the compositor care?06:11
desrtwasabi; 'sup06:12
racarrthe desktop window is just another application owned window with certain hints set06:12
wasabidesrt: nothin. you?06:12
racarrso that say it doesn't show up when you use alt tab so you can't move it over all your other windows06:12
wasabisure... and these application owned windows can't set that?06:13
desrtwasabi; my arm hurts06:13
racarr...they can06:13
wasabi... desrt, why?06:13
racarrbut right now there is no way to say "make me the desktop window for viewports 2 3 7 and 9"06:13
racarrjust "make me the desktop window"06:13
wasabiHmm. I guess I still don't follow. You speak about the "desktop window" like it's some special thing... but I don't see why. Seems to me it's just a window that's big and has some hints that say keep below everything else.06:14
desrtwasabi; too much hacking!!06:14
racarrand that says "draw me in every viewport"06:14
racarrimagine if the desktop were a giant table, divided in to 2x2 viewports06:15
racarrthen the desktop window is only as big as one of the viewports06:15
wasabiBut I thought windows could be set to draw on multiple viewports.06:15
racarrYes, but right now when you set a window as the desktop window it's assumed it draws on ALL viewports06:15
wasabiSo don't set that. =)06:15
racarrso, again, you would have to implement a way to say "I only want to be the desktop window for 2 3 7 and 9"06:15
racarrwell, that would break things06:16
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desrtthis is all IICCCCMMMMMM stuff06:17
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desrtyou could change it -- but then you'd have to change every window manager ever06:17
racarrwasabi: What I mean is, things would have to be changed, so that you can still say "Hi I'm a desktop window"06:17
racarrwithout saying "Hi! draw me on every viewport"06:18
racarrdesrt: No, it could check for NET_WM_NAME = compiz before behaving like this06:18
wasabi_So the basic problem is it has to be hinted as a "destop window", but that carries consequences that you don't want.06:18
desrtso compiz-only features?06:18
wasabi_And what does being hinted the "desktop window" actually do other than draw it on all desktops?06:18
desrtwasabi; there's a "sticky" option06:18
desrtwasabi; that causes the window to be visible on all desktops06:19
racarrthings like06:19
racarrif you click on the desktop window06:19
racarrit's not raised06:19
wasabi_but you can make any window that doesn't get raised when you click on it, no?06:19
racarr's all handled in the window manager obviously)06:19
wasabi_heck, the gnome panel does that06:19
racarrYes, with the Panel type 06:19
wasabi_Oh, so there is no setting for "do not raise me" other than this "type" thing06:20
desrtwasabi; read the spec06:20
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racarrYes...there is, but it's a collection of settings, and various things check for the desktop window in effects06:20
desrtwasabi; it's like a cookbook of tricks that you can use06:20
racarrif you have a desktop window, you really need to be saying it's a desktop window rather than misrepresent it as something else06:20
racarrbut it would be trivial to add something to tell the composite manager06:20
desrtwasabi; you'll probably find either exactly what yr looking for or some combination of things that you can abuse for the desire effect and flame the maintainers of various window managers when it doesn't work like you expected06:20
racarr"I don't want to be drawn on all viewports just 1 3 7 8 and 9"06:20
wasabi_okay, so I see your point. You'd have to alter compiz to let the desktop window be on arbitrary viewports06:20
racarryes, and it would be easy06:21
wasabi_And then you could have multiple desktop windows, done by a program other than compiz.06:21
wasabi_For instance, I could alter xscreensaver to open a desktop window on a specific viewport.06:21
desrtyou know that viewports don't actually exist, right?06:21
wasabi_desrt: Sure, they are just hints to the window manager, no?06:22
desrtwasabi_; not even that06:22
desrtwasabi_; the window manager just treats each window it knows of as if it were part of a particular viewport06:22
racarrNo...that's workspaces :)06:22
desrtwasabi_; and when the viewport changes (an operation that is contained solely within the wm) it unmaps/maps windows to "show" the correct set06:23
racarragain, no06:23
racarrthat is workspaces06:23
desrtyes.  i do mean workspaces06:23
desrtwhat are you talking about viewports?06:23
racarrviewports are entirely different06:23
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racarrAh, no, heh06:23
racarrthis problem wouldn't exist with workspaces (just because it wouldn't be relevant as something desirable)06:24
RiddellKeybuk: able to give back xine-lib?06:24
racarrErr, anyway wasabi  it would be easy to extend Compiz to let per viewport wallpapers work well with a normal desktop manager (we used to have this in Beryl with a desktop manager I wrote that made one window per viewport), but there are a few reasons I would like to have the composite manager draw the viewport under a transparent desktop window that contains the icons instead...06:26
racarrMostly, the fact that it lets us make it work with desktop managers with very non obtrusive changes (patching a desktop manager to draw icons on a transparent desktop window rather than one with a background will be really trivial)06:27
racarrwhereas patching nautilus to make multiple windows would be much more so, and the same would have to be done for all desktop managers06:27
racarrand then when you get in to effects like fading the backgrounds without touching the icons, you would again have to modify all the managers, etc06:27
racarrwhereas if we do it in the compositor we get it for free, and because we have OGL to draw with we can do more interesting effects06:28
racarrThen there is the nice side effect that if you give the composite manager an oversized desktop background, you can avoid pixellation when zooming06:28
wasabi_Well, we should be able to do that for all windows, some day06:29
racarrErr, do what for all windows?06:29
wasabi_zoom without quality loss06:29
racarrthat's a ways off :P06:29
wasabi_yeah. vista does it.06:29
racarrErr...I haven't used Vista much, but that would be news to me06:30
wasabi_It does it over remote desktop too.06:30
wasabi_Their "window server" thing (much like X), has vectors uploaded to it.06:30
wasabi_It's basically a retained graphics model out of process.06:30
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racarrDo you mean just for fonts, or what?06:32
wasabi_No, for everything.06:33
wasabi_Well, all NEW things.06:33
wasabi_Buttons, lists, whatever. All new widgets.06:33
wasabi_Animations and stuff too.06:33
wasabi_They upload their drawing operations (basically vectors, and instructions) into the display server.06:34
racarrYes, that's what we do06:34
wasabi_So the display server can zoom, and replay the operation to obtain a perfectly zoomed version06:34
racarrthen the display server draws them to a pixmap06:34
wasabi_No pixelation06:34
racarrand the composite manager renders them06:34
racarrso when it zooms, the texture/pixmap is scaled06:34
wasabi_Yeah, vista redraws when zoomed.06:34
wasabi_No scaling06:34
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etankpygi: ping06:35
racarrMm, that's new to me, but interesting I guess.06:35
pygietank, you're fast if I may add ^^06:35
etankwhy yes i am06:36
wasabi_It's interesting because they have it working in RDP (remote desktop)06:36
pygiglad to hear you wanna become a motu etank ;)06:36
wasabi_If you remote from one box to another, it doesn't actually move final composited images across teh wire.06:36
pygiI'm here to assist you with whatever questions you might have :)06:36
wasabi_It moves the vector tree.06:36
racarrKeybuk: Do you think I should put some stuff in to the composite by default spec about the desktop stuff we just discovered ?06:36
etankpygi: cool06:36
racarrKeybuk: discussed, not discovered06:36
wasabi_And animations happen on the display server.... like moving a button from position X to position Y.... happens on the RDP client06:36
racarrIt's not really clear to me if you are talking about stuff we have had on X since it was created (network transparent protocol...)06:42
racarror something new06:42
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pyginight Hobbsee 06:46
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racarrBed as well, somethings slightly wrong about the fact that I am going to sleep at the same time as someone 12 timezones away... (or is it 10?), but eh06:55
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wasabi_racarr: in X clients draw to a bitmap. The drawing instructions live on the client. In the new Vista stuff, clients upload SVG's and animation sequences to the server, and the server renders them.06:59
wasabi_But not really SVGs, their own stuff06:59
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ChipzzKeybuk: actually the reason for nautilus drawing the background is to be able to have anti-aliassed text07:14
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TomaszDCan anyone tell me when the next translation update takes place for feisty?07:32
TomaszDI'm a translator for Ubuntu and I'd like to know this, will it ever take place? Martin Pitt told me it would happen in May, but it didn't.07:33
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mptTomaszD, pitti will likely be back on Monday07:59
mptif you want to ask him directly07:59
TomaszDmpt, is he the only person who knows that?07:59
TomaszD:] 07:59
mptI don't know, sorry07:59
pochuTomaszD: maybe carlos too, but he's not around atm.08:00
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mneptokTomaszD: have you asked on ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com ?08:12
TomaszDI haven't. 08:14
mneptokmight help. *shrug*08:15
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minghuaI remember reading about the translation update plan somewhere08:18
minghuacan't remember exactly where though08:18
LaserJockme too08:18
minghuaLaserJock: I remember you said that you couldn't reproduce the octave2.9 wrong result bug on feisty i386, is that right?08:20
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LaserJockI got the "correct" result according to the link in the bug report08:21
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minghuaLaserJock: would you please add that to the bug report?  it's bug 11751708:22
ubotuLaunchpad bug 117517 in octave2.9 "octave is linking incorrectly BLAS/ATLAS libraries" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11751708:22
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sitsCould someone point me to the right IRC channel to discuss a kernel bug?08:27
LaserJock #ubuntu-kernel I'd guess08:27
sitsLaserJock: thanks08:27
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KeybukChipzz: that's what I was attempting to say :p09:42
Keybukicon shadows, text, etc.09:42
Keybukof course, this is pre-Xrender09:42
Keybukcause you can have anti-aliased text without doing that now09:42
Keybukracarr: no real opinion; it could be a separate spec (and a feature goal), but if it's more trivial to implement than describe, patches are better ;)09:43
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ChipzzKeybuk: you need (more-than-1-bit)-transparency though09:43
KeybukChipzz: yes, Xrender09:43
Keybukthat gives you 8-bit transparency (iirc, it may be 16 or 32)09:44
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BenCKeybuk: mind processing linux-source-2.6.22 6.13 out of NEW for me, please?09:53
BenCgot lrm and lum dep-waiting on it, and linux-meta awaiting upload09:54
Keybukthe perils of logging in on Saturaday09:54
Keybukis there any special procedure for linux-source atm?09:55
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BenCKeybuk: not that I know of09:55
BenCKeybuk: thanks09:55
Burgundaviahey Keybuk, BenC, kylem09:56
BenCBurgundavia: hey09:56
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jdongCould I get a main sponsor on bug 110881?10:37
ubotuLaunchpad bug 110881 in ktorrent "[SRU]  Citical bug cherrypicks from SVN" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11088110:37
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jetscreamerhow do you get the installer to install / to a pre-existing filesystem and not 'format' the partition11:27
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jander99Good evening from Atlanta, Ga.12:05
Burgundaviahey jander9912:06
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jander99I'm looking forward to testing Gutsy, just updated from Feisty and already found a few things that need some polish :)12:09
Burgundaviafile bugs12:09
Burgundaviaor are you able to help with the coding?12:10
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jander99Well I'll be starting with the bug filing, but its possible I could do some code review to get started.  I've been reading about ways to contribute to ubuntu, kde, and linux as a whole so hopefully I can bring myself up to speed and dive right in soon ;-)12:11

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