[03:44] <unhappy> where i can read about Kconfig files
[03:46] <pmjdebruijn> unhappy, I have no clue, but usually I look for examples in other Kconfig files to suit my needs
[03:47] <unhappy> ok
[03:48] <pmjdebruijn> unhappy, sorry, that wasn't extremely helpful I know... but it's the best I can do... maybe wait around for someone else to suggest something
[03:48] <unhappy> maybe you know, do i have to somethink after editing kconfig file, to see changes in make menuconfig?
[03:48] <unhappy> *to do
[03:48] <pmjdebruijn> not that I know of
[03:48] <pmjdebruijn> unhappy, I should show right away
[03:48] <pmjdebruijn> unhappy, I could be that you need to add something at a lower level
[03:50] <cofeineSunshine> thxn
[03:51] <cofeineSunshine> damn, forgot my nickserv passwd
[03:51] <cofeineSunshine> trying to build drivers for my wireless card
[03:51] <VoX> where would i report an ubuntu kernel bug?
[03:54] <pmjdebruijn> VoX, www.launchpad.net just like all the other bugs, just file it against the kernel package you are currently using
[03:54] <VoX> nod
[08:32] <sits> Hi, can someone fill me in on what direction https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/116996 is going to take?
[08:33] <sits> oops wrong bug
[08:33] <sits> Bug #117314
[08:34] <sits> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/117314
[08:36] <sits> Is the current thinking that all associated bugs are to be closed when the -17 kernel is released?
[08:36] <sits> And what's the current advice to be given to people who have yet to upgrade to -16 but are ICH4/ICH5 owners?
[10:10] <lupo527> hello
[10:11] <lupo527> got a question about getting into kernel development
[10:13] <lupo527> anybody there :)
[10:14] <kraut> no, sorry
[10:14] <lupo527> heh
[10:14] <kraut> you should point your question more specific
[10:15] <lupo527> hey i am wanting to get into kernel dev and i was wondering if there is anything wrong with doing it in vmware
[10:15] <lupo527> if i just wanted to develop for the x86 arch for example is there any problem with doing kernel dev in a virtual machine as opposed to real hardware?
[10:16] <kraut> not really, depends if you want to develope hardware-drivers or just other things.
[10:17] <lupo527> more interested in things like the scheduler and memory management
[10:17] <lupo527> and i have limited hardware options
[10:18] <kraut> should be a good possibility to test your stuff, but generally you should do a final test on real-hardware. but anyhow a vmware should be good enough.
[10:18] <lupo527> excellent thanks
[10:20] <lupo527> i didn't think it would be a problem but i wanted to ask the more experienced ;)
[10:20] <kraut> i am stupid
[10:21] <lupo527> heh but you hand out in kernel dev channels?
[10:21] <lupo527> :P
[10:21] <lupo527> hang*
[10:21] <kraut> i am just spamming stupid stuff around
[10:22] <JanC> lupo527: it's a good way to prevent breaking your system  ;)
[10:22] <JanC> after a kernel upgrade, check this channel for 2 hours, and if there is no invasion of lamenting people, it's probably safe  :)
[10:23] <lupo527> can i ask a kind of more generic question: how did you guys get started in kernel dev, seems the overhead to getting started is kind of high
[10:23] <JanC> especially when using the development version
[10:23] <JanC> I didn't & most likely won't  :)
[10:23] <lupo527> hard to know where to start
[10:24] <lupo527> heh okay ;)
[10:28] <kraut> JanC: hrhr, cool idea of quality-management *g*
[11:29] <sits> lupo527: there's plenty of material out there
[11:29] <sits> lupo527: I've been trying to crack it for years but haven't gotten to far
[11:29] <sits> lupo527: you should definitely check out LDD3
[11:30] <sits> lupo527: http://lwn.net/Kernel/LDD3/
[11:30] <sits> lupo527: http://kernelnewbies.org/ also has a slew of material
[11:31] <sits> lupo527: http://kernelnewbies.org/CareerAdvice seems to be on similar lines to what you're asking about here
[11:32] <sits> lupo527: if you don't mind looking at something other than Linux check out Minix
[11:32] <sits> lupo527: http://www.minix3.org/
[11:33] <sits> lupo527: because its meant for teaching a lot of the code is simpler to understand than that of Linux (but it doesn't run as fast or do as much or run on as many platforms)
[11:41] <sits> (e.g. it's floppy driver doesn't look nearly as ugly as Linux's)