| rogue780|mythser | vanilla kernel? | 01:12 |
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| superm1 | gardengnome, did imbrandon mention anything about the buildd's while i was gone? | 01:48 |
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| superm1 | Daviey, u there? | 02:42 |
| superm1 | keescook, crimsun eventually gave the +1 on libhdhomerun: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2007-June/001684.html :) | 02:45 |
| superm1 | i'm going to talk to SD though about getting the package name chaned | 02:45 |
| superm1 | changed | 02:45 |
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| keescook | superm1: cool. | 03:03 |
| superm1 | keescook, i'm trying to determine everyone that has sponsored packages for me to fill out my motu app, but i'm not sure how to retrieve that information about who did what uploads. | 03:04 |
| superm1 | any suggestions? | 03:04 |
| keescook | hmmm | 03:04 |
| keescook | best I cant think of is to check the signatures on all the uploads in feisty-changes and gutsy-changes :( | 03:05 |
| superm1 | Well thats doable | 03:05 |
| superm1 | i dont have that many uploads | 03:05 |
| superm1 | how do i check them off those? | 03:05 |
| keescook | there's also this: https://launchpad.net/~superm1/+packages but that's just the package list | 03:05 |
| keescook | ooh! the changes files are clickable now | 03:06 |
| keescook | e.g. http://launchpadlibrarian.net/7297913/mythplugins_0.20-svn20070122-0.0ubuntu3_source.changes | 03:06 |
| superm1 | okay so how can i get information out of that though? | 03:06 |
| keescook | gpg --verify mythplugins_0.20-svn20070122-0.0ubuntu3_source.changes | 03:07 |
| keescook | gpg: Signature made Wed 11 Apr 2007 08:14:03 PM PDT using DSA key ID 7D2BCE85 | 03:07 |
| keescook | gpg: Good signature from "Sarah Hobbs (Nickname: Hobbsee) <hobbsee@nospammail.net>" | 03:07 |
| superm1 | so gpg figures out how to contact the keyservers and all | 03:07 |
| superm1 | neat | 03:07 |
| keescook | without them in your keyring, it may just say "7D2BCE85", in which case you'll need to do gpg --recv-keys 7D2BCE85 | 03:07 |
| keescook | I think... | 03:08 |
| superm1 | i wonder if seahorse is a little more intelligent | 03:08 |
| superm1 | because i know it will search keyservers for you on a lot of stuff | 03:08 |
| superm1 | you've got an address @ kernel.org keescook ? | 03:09 |
| superm1 | do some kernel patches in your days? | 03:09 |
| keescook | I'm not much of a kernel hacker, but I am a kernel.org sysadmin | 03:10 |
| superm1 | ah neat | 03:10 |
| superm1 | okay well this shouldnt be too bad then. | 03:10 |
| superm1 | i'll just get all the .changes files that are still avail | 03:10 |
| superm1 | keescook, it looks like this is missing my first uploads, is this page automatically purged of old stuff do you know? | 03:18 |
| keescook | it shouldn't be purged of them | 03:49 |
| superm1 | well i know for sure that i had uploads for 'mythtv' in 2006, but none are showing up | 03:50 |
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| a5benwillis | guys, whats the gui for mysql called? | 04:11 |
| a5benwillis | cant remember and need to install it :-) | 04:12 |
| superm1 | there is phpmyadmin which we commonly refer to here | 04:12 |
| superm1 | for a web browser gui | 04:12 |
| a5benwillis | knew abt that one but never actualy used it for looking at table data | 04:13 |
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| felipe__ | Hello anyone alive here? | 05:00 |
| superm1 | Hi felipe__ | 05:01 |
| superm1 | whats going on? | 05:01 |
| felipe__ | Hi there. I just installed MythTv on my ubuntu 7.04 I want to see my music on the listings but the mp3 dont show up. I already changed the path to my music directory. This is my first time with mythtv so Im a bit lost here | 05:03 |
| superm1 | felipe__, the easist way to explain mythmusic: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythMusic | 05:05 |
| felipe__ | ok thanks for the link | 05:05 |
| superm1 | you've already read through this and how to create a playlist? | 05:05 |
| felipe__ | not yet but at a quick glimse it only explain how to import music from a cd | 05:07 |
| superm1 | well it shows how to make playlists and such too | 05:08 |
| superm1 | which is how you will be playing music | 05:08 |
| superm1 | in the music manager you control what music is visible | 05:08 |
| superm1 | and create playlists that you will call upon | 05:08 |
| felipe__ | Thanks for the help Ill read the web page tomorrow, right now I have to go. take care | 05:12 |
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| defendguin | superm1: you around? | 05:52 |
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| superm1 | defendguin, yes | 07:27 |
| superm1 | whats up? | 07:27 |
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| gardengnome | superm1: nope | 10:24 |
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| wil | Hi, How can I rerun mythfilldatabase manual so that I can select the channels to grab? It is grabbing way too much now | 11:22 |
| wil | And also they don't show up in the channel list in mythtweb | 11:23 |
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| Balachmar | Hi, My ir remote doesn't work with mythtv. I am following the howto on ubuntu docs. | 03:15 |
| Balachmar | And irw detects the buttons, so lirc is working, but I cannot seem to get it to work with mythtv, or vlc or anything else really And I have downloaded a lircrc.mceusb file and placed it in the right place | 03:16 |
| Balachmar | vlc responds to nothing really... | 03:16 |
| Balachmar | and mythtv doesn't respond to a single button either | 03:17 |
| Balachmar | Can no one help me with my remote control/ | 03:55 |
| Balachmar | Because I just changed every button into the buttons that are in /etc/lirc/lircd.conf and it still doesn't work | 03:56 |
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| superm1 | hi Balachmar, you placed the lircrc.mceusb in ~/.lircrc | 04:27 |
| superm1 | correct? | 04:27 |
| defendguin | hey mario | 04:28 |
| superm1 | hey defendguin | 04:28 |
| superm1 | i fell asleep last night while on IRC still... :=) | 04:28 |
| defendguin | me too | 04:29 |
| defendguin | i need to setup the box so that i can send the tv into low power mode | 04:29 |
| Balachmar | superml: yes that is correct it should have a copy or ln in .mythtv/lircrc as well | 04:32 |
| superm1 | Balachmar, were you customizing it at all? That the syntax could have broken? | 04:34 |
| superm1 | You can use ircat to test the .lircrc file | 04:35 |
| Balachmar | superml: no, it was just in the wrong place | 04:35 |
| Balachmar | irw worked fine | 04:35 |
| superm1 | irw will test the lircd.conf | 04:35 |
| defendguin | 00000000000017bd 00 Power Hauppauge_350 is what irw saw the power button press on my remote and it just takes me back to the main mythtv menu | 04:36 |
| superm1 | Balachmar, see the ircat man page. it will explain how to use it | 04:36 |
| Balachmar | superml: It already works, but thanks for the help | 04:37 |
| Balachmar | Does anyone know how to setup mythtv to use acpi wakeup? | 04:37 |
| superm1 | oh very good :) | 04:37 |
| superm1 | Balachmar, there is a page on the wiki that majoridiot wrote about it | 04:37 |
| superm1 | !mythtv | 04:37 |
| ubotu | MythTV is a TV framework for Linux - Instructions for using with Ubuntu at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV | 04:37 |
| superm1 | defendguin, as for putting the tv in low power mode, you can force test it using xset commands | 04:38 |
| defendguin | lets see xset dpms off? | 04:41 |
| defendguin | or would only standby be the thing i should try | 04:42 |
| superm1 | well you'll have to see what modes your tv supports | 04:43 |
| superm1 | mine only supports off i think | 04:43 |
| defendguin | whoops | 04:43 |
| defendguin | i need to do something different with my ssh session | 04:44 |
| superm1 | you have to export DISPLAY=:0 typically | 04:44 |
| superm1 | or do it via vnc or at the console | 04:45 |
| defendguin | i set DISPLAY=:0 after i get logged in? | 04:45 |
| superm1 | well you can do it for that particular command if you want | 04:45 |
| superm1 | DISPLAY=:0 xset dpms force off | 04:45 |
| superm1 | and such | 04:46 |
| defendguin | ahhh | 04:46 |
| defendguin | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server | 04:46 |
| defendguin | Xlib: No protocol specified | 04:46 |
| defendguin | xset: unable to open display ":0" | 04:46 |
| superm1 | then thats because gdm locked it down | 04:47 |
| superm1 | by default | 04:47 |
| superm1 | you have to either go into gdmsetup | 04:48 |
| superm1 | and enable that, or use a local console or vnc | 04:48 |
| defendguin | i unchecked the box that said deny tcp connections to x server | 04:53 |
| superm1 | yup thats it | 04:53 |
| defendguin | i guess i need to reset the x server after that | 04:53 |
| defendguin | 4404 tty7 SLs+ 0:09 /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -br -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth vt7 it doesn't have the -nolisten tag in it anymore | 04:59 |
| defendguin | but i still get the same error | 04:59 |
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| defendguin | superm1: it still won't let me connect | 05:05 |
| superm1 | you restarted gdm? | 05:05 |
| defendguin | yup | 05:06 |
| superm1 | you can try doing xhost + | 05:06 |
| superm1 | which will allow connections from anything | 05:06 |
| defendguin | ...? | 05:06 |
| superm1 | X has a level of security preventing connections unless your authenticated as well | 05:06 |
| superm1 | so that drops the security | 05:07 |
| defendguin | xhost + xset dpms force off? | 05:07 |
| superm1 | you might have to do the xhost + at console | 05:07 |
| superm1 | DISPLAY=:0 xhost + | 05:07 |
| superm1 | you can try | 05:07 |
| superm1 | but if that doesnt go, then at console | 05:07 |
| defendguin | no worky | 05:08 |
| superm1 | okay one more solution then | 05:09 |
| superm1 | create a file /etc/X0.hosts | 05:09 |
| superm1 | with: | 05:09 |
| superm1 | 127.0.0.1 | 05:09 |
| superm1 | and thats it | 05:09 |
| superm1 | and then restart gdm | 05:09 |
| superm1 | that will add the ssh connection to the list of known hosts that can connect | 05:09 |
| defendguin | haha ok i was able to turn it off | 05:13 |
| defendguin | i tried DISPLAY=:0 xset dpms force on and it just sits there | 05:13 |
| superm1 | so it doesnt come back from dpms? | 05:15 |
| defendguin | not that i can see | 05:16 |
| defendguin | i guess i can restart gdm to get it back | 05:16 |
| superm1 | try xset foce -dpms | 05:17 |
| superm1 | to force turning dpms functionality off | 05:17 |
| superm1 | (forcing it on) | 05:17 |
| defendguin | right | 05:17 |
| defendguin | ugg | 05:18 |
| defendguin | the box is non responsive now | 05:19 |
| Balachmar | Can somebody help me with getting acpi to work, because it still doesn't work. It works when I do it manually, but somehow mythtv doesn't put the wakeup time into /proc/acpi/alarm when it shuts down | 05:19 |
| defendguin | i should have never tried to restart gdm | 05:20 |
| superm1 | Balachmar, I can't say i've ever experimented with it. If you'll be around the channel for the day, i'll send majoridiot an email and see if he can pop in | 05:20 |
| superm1 | and give you a hand | 05:20 |
| Balachmar | superml: well I will be in this channel as long as it doesn't work :) | 05:21 |
| gardengnome | it's not that hard | 05:21 |
| gardengnome | in mythtv setup, enter the correct time format and something like "echo "$time" > /proc/acpi/alarm" as the settime command | 05:22 |
| gardengnome | AFAIK. | 05:22 |
| gardengnome | make sure that /proc/acpi/alarm has got the right permissions | 05:22 |
| superm1 | its root:root on m box currently, so you might need to write a udev rule to override that so that a person in the mythtv group can change it | 05:24 |
| gardengnome | just stick "chown mythtv:root /proc/acpi/alarm" into /etc/rc.local ;) | 05:24 |
| gardengnome | udev is too bloated sometimes | 05:24 |
| gardengnome | acpi wakeup doesn't work correctly for me, unfortunately:( | 05:25 |
| superm1 | wouldn't root:mythtv be a better idea? | 05:25 |
| gardengnome | um | 05:25 |
| gardengnome | probably ;) | 05:25 |
| superm1 | and you need to chmod it g+rw then too | 05:25 |
| superm1 | if you do it as the group, then a regular user account that watches mythtv can handle it as well | 05:25 |
| superm1 | (since they will be in the mythtv group implicitly) | 05:25 |
| defendguin | superm1: standby works | 05:26 |
| superm1 | and you can wake up and such too :)? | 05:26 |
| defendguin | use the same command with on? | 05:27 |
| defendguin | dpms force on? | 05:27 |
| Balachmar | ok, here it tells me to add sudo nopassword stuff to sudoers | 05:27 |
| superm1 | thats another way to do it | 05:28 |
| superm1 | if you do it as sudo, then no group membership would need to be changed | 05:28 |
| superm1 | probably the better way to do it matter of fact | 05:28 |
| defendguin | superm1: yup it comes back on | 05:28 |
| superm1 | great defendguin | 05:28 |
| defendguin | i'm gonna try suspend | 05:29 |
| defendguin | that works | 05:29 |
| defendguin | i wonder what is the power difference between these modes | 05:29 |
| Balachmar | problem is, that that aint working... | 05:31 |
| Balachmar | sorry I was too soon saying that | 05:31 |
| defendguin | superm1: i turned on to watch tv and try suspend and that really puts a lag into my ssh session | 05:32 |
| defendguin | now im trying to turn it back on and that might be an issue | 05:32 |
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| Balachmar | ok, the user can now write without problem to /proc/acpi/alarm | 05:33 |
| Balachmar | but mythtv still doesn't write there | 05:34 |
| superm1 | which user can, and which user is mythtv running as? | 05:34 |
| Balachmar | at wakeup command it says: sudo sh -c 'echo $time > /proc/acpi/alarm' | 05:35 |
| Balachmar | I'm running it with the same user | 05:35 |
| gardengnome | why did you put "sudo" in there? | 05:35 |
| gardengnome | it's probably sitting at a password prompt now ;) | 05:35 |
| Balachmar | because I'm doing it the "nice" way | 05:36 |
| gardengnome | ah | 05:36 |
| Balachmar | with sudo and then giving the user privileges to do that without password | 05:36 |
| gardengnome | does that mean you used visudo? | 05:36 |
| gardengnome | ah | 05:36 |
| superm1 | yes you have to use visudo to modify /etc/sudoers | 05:37 |
| superm1 | you cant do it by hand | 05:37 |
| gardengnome | oh yes you can | 05:37 |
| superm1 | you can??? | 05:37 |
| defendguin | wow there is like a 5 minute lag between my keypresses and and what happens in the ssh session | 05:37 |
| gardengnome | it's just not a smart thing to do | 05:37 |
| gardengnome | superm1: sure | 05:37 |
| superm1 | why is there that big fat warning then? | 05:37 |
| gardengnome | superm1: just do it [tm] . visudo just performs some sanity checks which is highly advisable on ubuntu because you *need* sudo | 05:37 |
| Balachmar | Actually I did it by hand, because it doesn't really matter since I am the only one on the computer now | 05:37 |
| gardengnome | Balachmar: it does matter because you might lose sudo access | 05:38 |
| Balachmar | gardengnome: ok well I didn't :) next time I'll use visudo :) | 05:38 |
| gardengnome | "The "Q" option should be used with extreme care because if visudo believes there to be a parse error, so will sudo and no one will be able to sudo again until the error is fixed. | 05:39 |
| gardengnome | " | 05:39 |
| gardengnome | from the sudoers man page | 05:39 |
| Balachmar | now my backendserver wont start | 05:41 |
| Balachmar | nfslockfile or something | 05:41 |
| Balachmar | needed sudo in front of it before it started | 05:43 |
| superm1 | wait | 05:44 |
| superm1 | how are you starting the backend? | 05:44 |
| Balachmar | mythbackend | 05:44 |
| superm1 | No... | 05:44 |
| superm1 | dont do that | 05:44 |
| Balachmar | :) why? | 05:44 |
| superm1 | sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start | 05:44 |
| superm1 | or | 05:44 |
| superm1 | sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart | 05:44 |
| superm1 | the init script does it cleanly | 05:44 |
| Balachmar | ok, will do next time | 05:44 |
| superm1 | and starts it as the appropriate users | 05:44 |
| superm1 | and permissions and such | 05:45 |
| Balachmar | do changes in sudoers take effect immediately? | 05:58 |
| superm1 | yup | 05:58 |
| Balachmar | because with the stuff in my soduers file it doesn't work at the moment | 05:58 |
| Balachmar | ok, so I don't need to reboot each time | 05:59 |
| Balachmar | nice | 05:59 |
| Balachmar | I don't need to put anything in command to execute before shutdown do I? | 06:05 |
| superm1 | dont know, myself. | 06:08 |
| Balachmar | because it seems that mythtv doesn't put the time into /proc/acpi/alarm still | 06:10 |
| Balachmar | it still asks for a password... | 06:10 |
| gardengnome | what did you put into your sudoers? | 06:11 |
| Balachmar | well, I guess I have found it I will know in 20s | 06:14 |
| defendguin | superm1: well standby and return from standby works great | 06:14 |
| Balachmar | ok it didn't work | 06:15 |
| Balachmar | this is the line I put into sudoers | 06:15 |
| Balachmar | %mythtv ALL = NOPASSWD: /sbin/shutdown, /proc/acpi/alarm, etc/init.d/mythtv-backend | 06:17 |
| superm1 | very good defendguin | 06:17 |
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| defendguin | superm1: it goes on and off so fast i'm not too sure how much energy i'm gonna be saving | 06:18 |
| gardengnome | Balachmar: are you sure you can files like /proc/acpi/alarm in sudoers like that? | 06:18 |
| superm1 | defendguin, thes why the off mode is likely better if you can get it to work | 06:18 |
| Balachmar | gardengnome: no, but it says so here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/Install/WhatNext/ACPIWake?highlight=%28mythtv%29%7C%28acpi%29 | 06:19 |
| gardengnome | oh | 06:20 |
| defendguin | superm1: well i can probably get it to work there is just a serious issue of lag | 06:20 |
| gardengnome | i didn't find that howto | 06:20 |
| gardengnome | :( | 06:20 |
| gardengnome | ooh | 06:21 |
| gardengnome | i'm gonna try that guide | 06:21 |
| Balachmar | gardengnome: ghe geh | 06:21 |
| defendguin | it goes off just fine but when i try to turn it back on it may take a long while | 06:21 |
| defendguin | hmmm worked great that time | 06:21 |
| defendguin | that may be because i had previously turned -dpms | 06:22 |
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| defendguin | superm1: once i turned dpms back on things don't work very smoothly when i try to get it turned back on | 06:23 |
| superm1 | thats weird | 06:24 |
| defendguin | took about 1 minute from the time i did DISPLAY=:0 xset dpms force on otv turning back on | 06:25 |
| Balachmar | gardengnome: it is only not that great especially the last bit is just plain weird about the mythwelcome | 06:25 |
| Balachmar | bit | 06:25 |
| gardengnome | Balachmar: maybe, but it's got some additional information about acpiwakeup.. i'll let you know if it works for me | 06:27 |
| Balachmar | gardengnome: I have changes sudoers to allow all for mythtv group without password and that seems to work... | 06:37 |
| Balachmar | gardengnome: So maybe I should add some more to that line | 06:37 |
| gardengnome | i've just shut down the box and i hope it'll wake up | 06:49 |
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| gardengnome | yay | 07:16 |
| gardengnome | it's recording now :) | 07:16 |
| Balachmar | what did you fill in in the sudoers file? | 07:18 |
| gardengnome | %mythtv localhost = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/mythshutdown, /usr/local/bin/setwakeuptime, /sbin/shutdown, / | 07:19 |
| gardengnome | sbin/reboot | 07:19 |
| gardengnome | /usr/local/bin/setwakeuptime is a small shell script that'll turn the wakeup time into UTC time. | 07:19 |
| gardengnome | #!/bin/sh | 07:19 |
| gardengnome | # by Tino 'Scorpi' Keitel | 07:19 |
| gardengnome | echo -n "Setting wakeup time to " | 07:19 |
| gardengnome | date -u -d @$1 | 07:19 |
| gardengnome | #date -u -d @$1 "+%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S" | sed "s/^20/00/" > /proc/acpi/alarm | 07:19 |
| gardengnome | date -u -d @$1 "+%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S" > /proc/acpi/alarm | 07:20 |
| gardengnome | kinda like that | 07:20 |
| superm1 | gardengnome, how does it wake up though if a remote frontend needs the machine? | 07:20 |
| gardengnome | superm1: wake on lan. | 07:20 |
| gardengnome | superm1: i have yet to configure that | 07:20 |
| superm1 | well. what if that remote frontend was say a netboot off that backend though... | 07:20 |
| gardengnome | well, what if some smart-ass was making up corner cases? ;) | 07:21 |
| gardengnome | i have to admit that's a real problem, though. | 07:21 |
| superm1 | that same smart ass has that exact same setup though | 07:21 |
| gardengnome | i've got one box i'd love to netboot | 07:21 |
| superm1 | i never setup acpi wakeup for that reason, have no idea how to get around the symantic of such a netboot | 07:22 |
| gardengnome | superm1: the netbooting frontend could still have a small usb stick or something whose software would WoL the backend | 07:22 |
| gardengnome | superm1: i've also got a wrt54g running openwrt on my network whichcould be used for such causes | 07:22 |
| superm1 | me too | 07:22 |
| superm1 | thats how i hand out the dhcp info | 07:22 |
| superm1 | to where the kernel is stored | 07:22 |
| gardengnome | :) | 07:22 |
| gardengnome | same here | 07:22 |
| gardengnome | my tftp server is on a virtualbox VM | 07:22 |
| gardengnome | ok, it's dinner time. ttyl | 07:23 |
| superm1 | k | 07:23 |
| superm1 | cya gardengnome | 07:23 |
| superm1 | Daviey, u here? | 07:24 |
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| gardengnome | superm1: hum. in mythweb.postinst, we a2dissite mythweb if /etc/apache2/sites-available/mythwebdir exists. however, is mythwebdir is already disabled, adissite will fail, causing dpkg to abort. is this intentional or should we ignore such error conditions? | 08:30 |
| superm1 | irgnore such error conditions i'd say | 08:31 |
| superm1 | those side step crazy cases, remember ;) | 08:31 |
| gardengnome | heh | 08:31 |
| gardengnome | it happened here :) | 08:31 |
| superm1 | did you disable mythwebdir? | 08:31 |
| gardengnome | yes, because i was using other svn packages | 08:32 |
| gardengnome | i've just installed proper ones (eg mine) | 08:32 |
| gardengnome | well, i'm still busy installing them because those packages are not entirely compatible :) | 08:32 |
| === gardengnome pokes dpkg with a stick | ||
| gardengnome | yay | 08:34 |
| gardengnome | all worky it seems :) | 08:34 |
| superm1 | good | 08:40 |
| gardengnome | i'm getting a .dmrc error message using the ubuntu-mythtv-frontend package. have you seen this? | 08:42 |
| superm1 | No? | 08:42 |
| superm1 | what error? | 08:42 |
| gardengnome | oh, i found the cause | 08:44 |
| gardengnome | /home/mythtv/ is owned by mysql:mysql | 08:44 |
| superm1 | why? | 08:44 |
| superm1 | it should be chowned on package insteall | 08:44 |
| gardengnome | the .dmrc error message mentioned that the permissions should be fixed | 08:44 |
| gardengnome | superm1: really? maybe i fscked it up. :) | 08:44 |
| gardengnome | i'll check the postinst script | 08:44 |
| gardengnome | it's only chowned if the file doesn't already exist | 08:46 |
| gardengnome | i suppose it was me who accidentally broke those permissions | 08:47 |
| gardengnome | sorry for causing confusion :) | 08:47 |
| superm1 | how did you break them though | 08:47 |
| superm1 | i'm a bit confused by that | 08:47 |
| gardengnome | the story probably goes back to the year 1512 | 08:49 |
| gardengnome | when the bavarians came up with the purity law for beer | 08:50 |
| gardengnome | i really have no clue. :) | 08:50 |
| gardengnome | yay | 08:50 |
| gardengnome | now the box immediately goes to the frontend | 08:50 |
| superm1 | lol | 08:51 |
| superm1 | you must have mixed up stuff in the process of installing packages | 08:52 |
| superm1 | and removing them | 08:52 |
| gardengnome | it's been this way for a long time | 08:54 |
| gardengnome | i just never bothered to fix it | 08:54 |
| superm1 | ah | 08:54 |
| superm1 | gardengnome, do you know of anything to edit ogg/theora video? | 08:55 |
| gardengnome | um | 08:56 |
| gardengnome | not off-hand, no. i'd try avidemux | 08:56 |
| superm1 | tried ;( | 08:56 |
| superm1 | doesnt handle theora | 08:56 |
| superm1 | i generated a video of a mythtv desktop install using gtk-recordmydesktop | 08:56 |
| superm1 | that i was going to use for ulive, but i wanted to take out the cruft of like package downloading | 08:57 |
| superm1 | and such | 08:57 |
| gardengnome | hum | 08:57 |
| gardengnome | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theora#Editing_Theora_videos | 08:57 |
| superm1 | cinelerra eh | 08:58 |
| gardengnome | yup | 08:58 |
| superm1 | that was in '05, wonder if current releases handle it | 08:58 |
| superm1 | i dont really want to go into the cvs mess of things | 08:58 |
| ompaul | I had some random thoughts about streamed materials and the "cpu hoggage" that takes place un streaming and encoding them for human use | 08:58 |
| superm1 | unstreaming? | 08:58 |
| ompaul | playback :) | 08:58 |
| superm1 | haha | 08:58 |
| superm1 | ompaul, your so backwards sometimes | 08:59 |
| gardengnome | superm1: do you know where this "Session=mythtv-xsession" is defined? i've seen it in .dmrc bzut i don't know where it'd tell it to start mythwelcome instead of mythfrontend :) | 09:00 |
| superm1 | /usr/share/mythtv/startmythtv.sh | 09:00 |
| ompaul | what if there was something $like selinux where $like is very variable, thus keeping some power in backup for other likely events | 09:00 |
| ompaul | a qemu for a single application if you like - chroot with hard walls | 09:01 |
| superm1 | ompaul, isnt that called a kernel scheduler? | 09:01 |
| superm1 | and 'nice'? | 09:01 |
| rogue780|mythser | howdy everyone | 09:02 |
| ompaul | superm1, automagically | 09:02 |
| superm1 | you nice something to a high enough priority and you have those hard walls already | 09:02 |
| superm1 | hi rogue780|mythser | 09:02 |
| ompaul | superm1, it would be in that space | 09:03 |
| superm1 | so ompaul couldnt this be implemented as another kernel scheduler that would watch for particular processes | 09:04 |
| superm1 | that automatically get higher priority | 09:04 |
| gardengnome | superm1: thanks | 09:04 |
| superm1 | gardengnome, you just gave me a good idea | 09:04 |
| superm1 | with mythwelcome, do you still start mythfrontend? | 09:04 |
| superm1 | or does mythwelcome handle that for you | 09:04 |
| gardengnome | superm1: mythwelcome *can* handle that for you. it's configurable | 09:05 |
| superm1 | what is more common to do? | 09:05 |
| superm1 | because i'm thinking, what if /usr/share/startmythtv.sh sources something in /etc | 09:05 |
| superm1 | that can have a TRUE or FALSE | 09:05 |
| superm1 | to use mythwelcome instead | 09:05 |
| gardengnome | superm1: that'd be smart. | 09:05 |
| superm1 | so someone can easily switch it | 09:05 |
| gardengnome | superm1: we'd need to tell people it can be changed, though ;) | 09:06 |
| gardengnome | why does startmythtv.sh reside in /usr/share/? | 09:06 |
| superm1 | because it does | 09:07 |
| superm1 | can you think of a better more standard place for it? | 09:07 |
| ompaul | superm1, it would be more of a "choke" that would apply to keep processes down at a sane level to allow others to appear fast enough without causing the running applications to feel too much | 09:07 |
| superm1 | ompaul, I guess i'm still not seeing the difference from that and having somethign to automatically 'nice' misbehaving processes | 09:08 |
| gardengnome | superm1: /usr/bin/ ? | 09:09 |
| gardengnome | ompaul: can't ulimits do that? | 09:09 |
| superm1 | well its not intended to be started by a user though | 09:09 |
| superm1 | only by a login session | 09:09 |
| superm1 | so it shouldnt be in there $PATH | 09:09 |
| gardengnome | superm1: true. but i'm afraid any modifications will be lost after an upgrade. | 09:10 |
| superm1 | gardengnome, they will, unless the packaging is set up in a more friendly manner | 09:10 |
| superm1 | like what i mentioned above | 09:10 |
| superm1 | to source something in /etc | 09:10 |
| superm1 | like /etc/mythtv/session | 09:10 |
| superm1 | or /etc/default/mythtvsession | 09:11 |
| gardengnome | superm1: can't we put startmythtv.sh into /etc/? | 09:12 |
| superm1 | then it wont be updated with package updates necessarily | 09:13 |
| gardengnome | hum | 09:13 |
| gardengnome | dilemma! | 09:13 |
| gardengnome | well | 09:13 |
| superm1 | so thats why /usr/share/mythtv made the most sense to me | 09:13 |
| gardengnome | i think it will be updated if it wasn't modified. | 09:13 |
| gardengnome | but i'm not sure | 09:14 |
| superm1 | well /usr/share/mythtv works :) | 09:16 |
| gardengnome | true enough | 09:16 |
| superm1 | so gardengnome does it make most sense to have mythwelcome replace mythfrontend then? | 09:19 |
| superm1 | you think | 09:19 |
| superm1 | in this sourcing magic | 09:19 |
| gardengnome | hum | 09:20 |
| gardengnome | i'm not sure. it adds convenience | 09:21 |
| gardengnome | but it feels bloaty somehow | 09:21 |
| superm1 | well i mean it can be turned on and off | 09:21 |
| gardengnome | ah | 09:21 |
| gardengnome | right | 09:21 |
| gardengnome | of course it makes sense then :) | 09:21 |
| gardengnome | i hate vibrating hard disks :( that computer is really loud. *sigh* | 09:21 |
| gardengnome | i'm gonna fix that with some cable ties and a free 5 1/4 bay | 09:22 |
| superm1 | haha there you go | 09:22 |
| gardengnome | superm1: is there a frontend log? | 09:23 |
| superm1 | its saved to ~/.xsession-errors | 09:23 |
| gardengnome | should be easy enough to add that | 09:24 |
| gardengnome | oh | 09:24 |
| gardengnome | nice, thanks | 09:24 |
| gardengnome | no, that's not a real frontend log | 09:24 |
| superm1 | well its a session log | 09:24 |
| gardengnome | something like mythfrontend -l /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log | 09:24 |
| superm1 | oh nothing atm | 09:24 |
| gardengnome | err | 09:24 |
| gardengnome | sorry | 09:24 |
| gardengnome | wrong user :( | 09:25 |
| gardengnome | it's there in /home/mythtv :) | 09:26 |
| gardengnome | nice | 09:26 |
| gardengnome | your packages rock. | 09:28 |
| gardengnome | it's never been so easy | 09:28 |
| superm1 | thanks. I'm trying out the change right now on my fe. as long as it works, i'll send you a diff to apply to your packaging too | 09:30 |
| gardengnome | thanks | 09:30 |
| gardengnome | i wish i could force myself to read "man sudoers" and memorize everything. but it's just too boring ;) | 09:31 |
| superm1 | okay the sourcing magic works correctly | 09:38 |
| superm1 | and mythwelcome even spawned mythfrontend for me too | 09:38 |
| gardengnome | nice | 09:38 |
| superm1 | this exact same method can be used to start offering other window managers too | 09:41 |
| superm1 | and extra settings | 09:41 |
| gardengnome | nice | 09:46 |
| gardengnome | i was going to time the boot process | 09:47 |
| superm1 | gardengnome, can you not get DCC's? | 09:47 |
| superm1 | or is it my end here | 09:47 |
| gardengnome | only to find out it decided to check a file system | 09:47 |
| gardengnome | superm1: no, i can't | 09:47 |
| superm1 | oh ok | 09:47 |
| gardengnome | this box is locked down rather tightly | 09:47 |
| gardengnome | superm1: please send it to laga@laga.ath.cx | 09:47 |
| superm1 | well i just put it into the bzr branch | 09:47 |
| superm1 | you can grab it from there | 09:47 |
| gardengnome | in which bzr branch? | 09:48 |
| gardengnome | i'm always getting confused | 09:48 |
| superm1 | the 'mythtv' one | 09:48 |
| superm1 | haha | 09:48 |
| superm1 | there are 3 branches | 09:48 |
| superm1 | one for mythtv | 09:48 |
| superm1 | one for mythplugins | 09:48 |
| superm1 | and one for mythbuntu | 09:48 |
| gardengnome | ah, good | 09:49 |
| gardengnome | what about myththemes? | 09:49 |
| superm1 | doesnt have a branch | 09:49 |
| gardengnome | what exactly is taking place in mythbuntu now? and why was i supposed to check out from there first? | 09:49 |
| gardengnome | ah | 09:49 |
| superm1 | in mythbuntu is the weekly build script | 09:49 |
| gardengnome | i'll have to take a look at that one, too | 09:50 |
| gardengnome | but that can wait :) | 09:50 |
| superm1 | in mythtv is the debian packaging for mythtv | 09:50 |
| superm1 | and in mythplugins is debian packaging for mythplugins | 09:50 |
| gardengnome | my mythtv box takes 82 seconds from power-on to a fully functional mythfrontend. that's pretty impressive for a "vanilla" install | 09:51 |
| superm1 | still dont have that number that our goal is. 0-fully installed and booted in 29 minutes :) | 09:52 |
| gardengnome | heh | 09:53 |
| gardengnome | my hardware always requires fiddling | 09:53 |
| gardengnome | or i always prefer non-standard solutions like inputlircd | 09:53 |
| superm1 | inputlircd? | 09:55 |
| superm1 | never even heard of htat | 09:55 |
| gardengnome | it's nifty | 09:56 |
| gardengnome | it translates /dev/input/ stuff into lirc events | 09:56 |
| gardengnome | just like lirc using its dev/input driver, but with less configuration | 09:56 |
| gardengnome | and we all know that configuring lirc sucks. | 09:56 |
| superm1 | thats kinda backwards. | 09:57 |
| gardengnome | backwards? | 10:01 |
| gardengnome | no. | 10:01 |
| gardengnome | lirc does have some advantages | 10:01 |
| gardengnome | and mythcontrols doesn't recognize all of the buttons if i use the native /dev/input interface. | 10:02 |
| gardengnome | writing a lircrc isn't more work than hacking up an xmodmap | 10:02 |
| superm1 | i guess | 10:03 |
| superm1 | how come its not more commonly used ? | 10:03 |
| gardengnome | um | 10:04 |
| gardengnome | it's rather new, i suppose. ;) | 10:04 |
| gardengnome | and lirc is a standard | 10:04 |
| gardengnome | superm1: do you have the URL to the bzr branch for me? one last time? i know i'm being dumb about this, but i do have trouble locating information in launchpad :) | 10:39 |
| superm1 | i can gra bit | 10:40 |
| superm1 | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mythtv/mythtv/ubuntu | 10:41 |
| superm1 | co from that url | 10:41 |
| superm1 | for mythtv changes | 10:41 |
| gardengnome | you can "gra bit"? | 10:41 |
| superm1 | yup | 10:43 |
| superm1 | i'm quite talented | 10:43 |
| gardengnome | wow. | 10:44 |
| gardengnome | that's awesome. | 10:44 |
| superm1 | okay so apparently cinelerra sucks | 10:44 |
| superm1 | it kept seg faulting | 10:44 |
| superm1 | so i just used vlc to convert to mpeg4 | 10:44 |
| superm1 | and i'm editting in avidemux2 now | 10:44 |
| gardengnome | i've just accidentally deleted my trunk packaging work. i managed to stop it "rm -rf mythbuntu/" right before mythplugins/debian and mythtv/debian was deleted | 10:44 |
| gardengnome | almost everything else is gone | 10:44 |
| superm1 | lol | 10:45 |
| superm1 | wow | 10:45 |
| gardengnome | that was a close call. | 10:45 |
| gardengnome | phew | 10:45 |
| gardengnome | of course, i dont have any backups ;) | 10:45 |
| superm1 | are you on LP gardengnome ? | 10:46 |
| superm1 | we should make a bzr branch for the trunk packaging | 10:47 |
| gardengnome | yes | 10:47 |
| superm1 | are you in ubuntu-mythtv right now? | 10:47 |
| gardengnome | i'm "laga". | 10:47 |
| gardengnome | in the team? no. | 10:47 |
| superm1 | I'll add you | 10:47 |
| superm1 | you can then upload a new branch | 10:47 |
| gardengnome | thanks | 10:47 |
| superm1 | do two seperate ones | 10:48 |
| gardengnome | yay | 10:48 |
| superm1 | mythtv-trunk | 10:48 |
| superm1 | and mythplugins-trunk | 10:48 |
| superm1 | you have to "bzr init" in each of them | 10:48 |
| gardengnome | i'll RTFM, thanks | 10:48 |
| superm1 | k :) | 10:49 |
| superm1 | i dont know if there is a manual per say though | 10:49 |
| gardengnome | i'll bug you if i need to know something | 10:50 |
| superm1 | k | 10:51 |
| gardengnome | superm1: do i need to add my ssh key to launchpad in order to commit $things? | 11:01 |
| superm1 | Yes | 11:01 |
| gardengnome | ah | 11:01 |
| gardengnome | guess i'll do that then. | 11:01 |
| gardengnome | i don't know muchabout ssh or cryptography. is it safe using my normal public ssh key? | 11:05 |
| superm1 | Yes | 11:06 |
| superm1 | as long as you dont lose that private key | 11:06 |
| gardengnome | -trunk$ bzr init http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mythtv/mythtv-trunk/ | 11:19 |
| gardengnome | bzr: ERROR: Transport operation not possible: http does not support mkdir() | 11:19 |
| gardengnome | superm1: care to tell me what protocol i have to use? | 11:19 |
| superm1 | sftp | 11:19 |
| gardengnome | thanks | 11:20 |
| gardengnome | do i have to register a branch before committing? | 11:29 |
| gardengnome | https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mythtv/+addbranch | 11:29 |
| superm1 | you just push it | 11:36 |
| superm1 | you dont register on LP | 11:36 |
| superm1 | if you push to "bzr push sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mythtv/mythtv-trunk" | 11:36 |
| superm1 | i belive | 11:36 |
| superm1 | believe | 11:36 |
| gardengnome | i get that error then: http://www.pastebin.ca/531595 | 11:38 |
| superm1 | try this | 11:39 |
| superm1 | if you push to "bzr push sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mythtv/mythtv/mythtv-trunk" | 11:39 |
| gardengnome | hey, that worked | 11:40 |
| gardengnome | thanks | 11:40 |
| superm1 | for mythplugins: | 11:40 |
| superm1 | if you push to "bzr push sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mythtv/mythplugins/mythplugins-trunk" | 11:41 |
| gardengnome | thanks :) | 11:44 |
| gardengnome | "ignored 23 file(s). | 11:44 |
| gardengnome | If you wish to add some of these files, please add them by name. | 11:44 |
| gardengnome | " | 11:44 |
| superm1 | which files were ignored? | 11:44 |
| gardengnome | annoying. do you know how i can get a list? | 11:44 |
| gardengnome | i don't know. | 11:44 |
| superm1 | bzr stat | 11:44 |
| superm1 | i think | 11:44 |
| superm1 | or bzr info | 11:44 |
| superm1 | or bzr diff | 11:44 |
| superm1 | one of those 3 | 11:44 |
| gardengnome | ah | 11:49 |
| gardengnome | there were some stale files that were ignored, like debian/libmyth-0.20/ | 11:49 |
| superm1 | you mean like debian/libmyth-0.20~ | 11:49 |
| superm1 | stuff with ~ at the end | 11:49 |
| gardengnome | nope | 11:50 |
| gardengnome | like, temporary directories | 11:50 |
| superm1 | oh | 11:50 |
| gardengnome | i'm paranoid enough not to want to leave my name all over the place | 11:52 |
| gardengnome | weird | 11:52 |
| superm1 | you should try to do a "debuild -S -sa" before uploading. it will make a source package and make sure that there are no errors | 11:52 |
| superm1 | also it will make sure its clean | 11:52 |
| superm1 | so you dont get extra cruft | 11:52 |
| gardengnome | i'll need to get a fresh svn checkout then | 11:53 |
| gardengnome | because i deleted mine ;) | 11:53 |
| gardengnome | i'm already uploading, but i guess i can just revert | 11:53 |
| superm1 | what i do | 11:53 |
| superm1 | is keep the whole directory there | 11:53 |
| superm1 | and have a .bzrignore | 11:54 |
| superm1 | that ignores all the mythtv stuff | 11:54 |
| superm1 | and then do a debuild -S -sa -i | 11:54 |
| superm1 | which will ignore the .svn directory and .bzr directories | 11:54 |
| superm1 | when debuild'ing | 11:54 |
| gardengnome | thanks, i've just created the .bzrignore | 12:12 |
| gardengnome | your help is much appreciated :) | 12:12 |
| superm1 | very good :) | 12:12 |
| superm1 | this will help to keep the changes between yours, the weekly builds, and ubuntu stable all very similar | 12:13 |
| gardengnome | yes | 12:13 |
| gardengnome | i'm going to commit my .bzrignore as well | 12:13 |
| superm1 | good idea | 12:13 |
| superm1 | thats what i do too | 12:14 |
| gardengnome | heh | 12:14 |
| gardengnome | i should have gotten yours, then | 12:14 |
| superm1 | you probably could base off of it too. | 12:14 |
| gardengnome | although ls > .bzrignore was not terribly hard | 12:14 |
| gardengnome | :> | 12:14 |
| superm1 | yup | 12:14 |
| superm1 | make sure that .svn is in it too | 12:14 |
| superm1 | in the .bzrignore | 12:14 |
| gardengnome | right | 12:14 |
| gardengnome | thanks | 12:14 |
| superm1 | ugh finally got this video made | 12:15 |
| gardengnome | yay :) | 12:16 |
| superm1 | i captured in gtk-recordmydesktop | 12:16 |
| superm1 | transocded from ogg/theora to mpeg4 with vlc | 12:16 |
| superm1 | editted it in avideumx2 | 12:16 |
| === gardengnome beers superm1 | ||
| superm1 | transocded to ffmpeg/mpeg4 again | 12:16 |
| superm1 | and have it all done :) | 12:16 |
| superm1 | thanks gardengnome | 12:16 |
| gardengnome | sounds like a lot of work ;) | 12:16 |
| superm1 | for a 4 minute resultant file: yes | 12:17 |
| gardengnome | i'm glad to have my mythtv box in a semi-working state again. i just need to move it next to an antenna outlet, get tv-out working and make it quieter. | 12:17 |
| superm1 | while you get tv out working, watch closely what you do for itb | 12:17 |
| superm1 | because i'm going to be adding that to ubiquity in a week or two hopefully | 12:18 |
| gardengnome | i doubt that ubiquity will come with detailed soldering instructions for a VGA->SCART cable | 12:18 |
| gardengnome | ;) | 12:18 |
| gardengnome | having tv-out support in the installer would rock | 12:18 |
| gardengnome | there are different thoughts of school, though, regarding the fine-tuning ;) | 12:19 |
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| gardengnome | weird | 12:25 |
| gardengnome | i bzr added .bzrignore, but bzr push tells me: | 12:26 |
| superm1 | what is? | 12:26 |
| gardengnome | laga@prometheus:~/dev/mythtv-trunk/ubuntu$ bzr push | 12:26 |
| gardengnome | Using saved location: sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mythtv/mythtv/mythtv-trunk/ | 12:26 |
| gardengnome | Enter passphrase for key '/home/laga/.ssh/id_dsa': | 12:26 |
| gardengnome | No new revisions to push. | 12:26 |
| superm1 | bzr commit | 12:26 |
| superm1 | first | 12:26 |
| gardengnome | oh | 12:26 |
| gardengnome | i guess svn has a different workflow then | 12:26 |
| gardengnome | sorry | 12:26 |
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