[12:27] <TehRealNexGen> close beryl
[12:28] <TehRealNexGen> settings>workspace sttings
[12:29] <jeriko> hrm, how do i kill beryl
[12:30] <TehRealNexGen> is beryl in your system tray?
[12:30] <jeriko> it was, i did r.click > close
[12:30] <Jester45> beryl isnt in the syetm try the beryl-manage is
[12:30] <jeriko> now it's half-running
[12:30] <jeriko> no window borders, but still have the cube
[12:30] <Jester45> open the process manager and kill beryl and emerald
[12:31] <jeriko> emerald seems to be gone already
[12:31] <jeriko> that's the beryl window manager yea?
[12:32] <Jester45> then kill beryl and run xfwm4 to get xfce's wm back
[12:32] <Jester45> correct
[12:32] <jeriko> there we go
[12:36] <jeriko> hrm, desktop pager still only has one now
[12:36] <jeriko> i restarted x
[12:36] <jeriko> nm, got it
[12:36] <jeriko> just had to re-add the workspaces
[12:37] <jeriko> is it possible to use xfwm4 on top of beryl instead of emerald?
[12:39] <TheSheep> jeriko: no, emerald is just a decorator
[12:40] <jeriko> ah so
[12:40] <jeriko> guess i'll tinker with this a bit more
[12:41] <jeriko> just installed beryl a few mins ago
[12:45] <TehRealNexGen> woot i managed to get it to create an iso, the solution was to unmount the cd before copying, wierd huh?
[12:48] <vidd_laptop> TehRealNexGen, no...you should never mount the cd you are trying to make an iso of
[12:51] <TehRealNexGen> heh well learn something new everyday
[12:52] <TehRealNexGen> strange that the fact you shouldnt mount it was not mentioned anywhere
[12:52] <vidd_laptop> its a wasted day if ya dont =] 
[12:53] <vidd_laptop> was the tut written in the days before xubuntu auto-mounted by default?
[12:54] <TehRealNexGen> probably
[12:55] <TehRealNexGen> this page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CreateIsoFromCDorDVD?highlight=%28create%29%7C%28iso%29
[12:58] <vidd_laptop> hm....
[01:20] <jeriko> hrm, i'm at a loss for how to fix the desktop pager issue with beryl
[01:20] <nixnoob> hey why cant i add a workspace switcher to my top panel?
[01:23] <aliasrush> jeriko: what is your problem?
[01:26] <jeriko> my desktop pager becomes... smooshed when i load beryl
[01:27] <jeriko> not quite sure how to fix
[01:28] <aliasrush> well... what version of beryl are you using?
[01:29] <jeriko> hrm, whatever is current in the repository
[01:29] <jeriko> how do i find out?
[01:30] <aliasrush> hrm?
[01:30] <jeriko> 0.2.1 looks like
[01:30] <aliasrush> well... you are running xubuntu right?
[01:30] <jeriko> yea
[01:30] <jeriko> installed via aptitude
[01:31] <aliasrush> goto to applications>>system>>synaptic package manager
[01:32] <aliasrush> and start it.... us the search option and type in beryl.... the version you have will come up
[01:32] <jeriko> yea i did
[01:32] <jeriko> 0.2.1
[01:33] <aliasrush> are you using xgl or aiglx?
[01:34] <aliasrush> or do you not know what that is?
[01:35] <jeriko> i kinda do
[01:35] <jeriko> the cmdline i chose didn't mention either
[01:35] <aliasrush> yeah... you are using aiglx....
[01:35] <jeriko> that is newer/better yes?
[01:36] <jeriko> i'm using current nvidia drivers
[01:36] <aliasrush> well... yeah
[01:36] <jeriko> which seemed to support aiglx without xgl
[01:36] <aliasrush> sorta.... yeah you are using it because of your graphics card and it is open source divers
[01:37] <aliasrush> anyways, I do not believe there is a fix for it... I could not find one and I just removed it because I can just switch desktops the way beryl allows you to
[01:38] <jeriko> i know but still...
[01:38] <jeriko> bleh
<right mouse button>.... hold all three down and spin the cube.... plus you can set it so you can mouse over or use the mouse wheel at the edge of the screen
[01:39] <nixnoob1> hey why cant i add a workspace switcher to my top panel?
[01:39] <aliasrush> sorry.... it has something to do with the fact that the native window manager is not in charge of the desktop anymore and the windows environment does not know how to interpret the command
[01:40] <nixnoob1> are you talking to me?
[01:40] <aliasrush> nixnoobl: are you running and accelerated manager?
[01:40] <nixnoob1> beryl
[01:40] <aliasrush> yes
[01:40] <nixnoob1> yes
[01:40] <aliasrush> one sec I have to take my contacts out...brb
[01:41] <nixnoob1> k
[01:42] <nixnoob1> ...
[01:43] <aliasrush> nixnoobl: are still there:?
[01:43] <nixnoob1> yes
[01:45] <aliasrush> I am sorry what is the problem you are having?
[01:46] <aliasrush> you are using beryl+xubuntu+xfce and you cannot get a desktop pager to work on your top panel?....can you get it to work on your bottom?
[01:48] <aliasrush> nixnoobl: are you still there?
[01:49] <jeriko> i have another semi-related question while he's thinking
[01:50] <aliasrush> ok... what is the question?
[01:50] <jeriko> is it possible to enable multiple workspaces in regards to the send-to menu?
[01:50] <jeriko> eg: right click an app > send-to workspace 2
[01:51] <jeriko> only way i can seem to move apps is by dragging off the edge until the cube rotates
[01:51] <aliasrush> no... not with beryl.... that is a function of other window managers
[01:51] <jeriko> ah bummer
[01:51] <aliasrush> beryl allows you to move it to the next.... no not a bummer.... there is more functionality with beryl
[01:52] <aliasrush> I can do all the same things and more but faster with beryl.... are you familiar how t manipulate your desktop with beryl?
[01:52] <jeriko> well, it's not my preferred method, so bummer for me :/
[01:52] <jeriko> no i'm very new to beryl
[01:52] <jeriko> about 3 hours so far
[01:52] <jeriko> how can i move other than a big mouse drag?
[01:54] <aliasrush> cool... well press and hold: ctrl+alt+left mouse button.........and move the mouse
[01:54] <jeriko> that just rotates the cube for me
[01:55] <aliasrush> also use the beryl manager to select the wheel over effect at the desktop edge...
[01:55] <aliasrush> oh I see
[01:55] <aliasrush> you want another way to move windows to other desktops
[01:55] <jeriko>  yes, the mouse drag is very long
[01:56] <aliasrush> well there are none that I know of exactly
[01:56] <jeriko> as i said, bummer :p
[01:56] <aliasrush> why not just switch to the appropriate desktop and open the app there?
[01:57] <jeriko> doesn't always work that way
[01:57] <aliasrush> I see
[01:57] <aliasrush> sorry man... try #ubuntu-effects
[01:57] <jeriko> say i click an mp3 stream out of browser, which then launches media player
[01:57] <aliasrush> there are some experienced beryl users in there
[01:58] <jeriko> i don't want media player sitting on my primary workspace
[01:58] <jeriko> so i send to another
[01:58] <jeriko> maybe if i had a 30" monitor :)
[01:58] <aliasrush> I here ya man
[01:58] <jeriko> but indeed, we're getting a bit offtopic for this channel
[02:00] <aliasrush> yeah... have you tried #ubuntu-effects?
[02:01] <jeriko> nah not yet
[02:01] <jeriko> only started messing with it few hours ago, but trying to work as well
[02:04] <Jester46> 1
[02:17] <aabrahao> to connect to a windows server do I need to install samba?
[02:21] <TheSheep> aabrahao: no, but you need some samba client
[02:22] <TheSheep> aabrahao: smbclient is a commandline tool, there are some graophical ones, like pyneighbourhood, and you can just mount a samba share with fusesmb
[02:23] <aabrahao> samba client to connect a windows server?
[02:25] <TheSheep> aabrahao: yes, the protocol that windows uses to tranfer files over network is called SMB
[02:26] <TheSheep> aabrahao: to get/put files, you only need a client, if you want other computers to get/put files on your box, you need the server
[02:26] <aabrahao> and tho share to windows?
[02:27] <TheSheep> aabrahao: then you need the samba
[02:27] <TheSheep> aabrahao: it's the server
[02:28] <TheSheep> aabrahao: I think you should have a 'shared forlders' in your 'system' menu
[02:28] <TheSheep> aabrahao: use that
[02:30] <aabrahao> I used shared folder but the windows see the linux workgoup but not the shared folder
[02:31] <TheSheep> that's weird :/
[02:32] <TheSheep> aabrahao: maybe you will find something useful here:
[02:32] <TheSheep> !smaba | aabrahao
[02:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about smaba - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:32] <TheSheep> !samba | aabrahao
[02:32] <ubotu> aabrahao: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[02:33] <aabrahao> nice, ill check these links. What means  !samba ?
[02:34] <TheSheep> aabrahao: it's a command for the bot, it has the most frequently asked questions remembered like this
[02:35] <aabrahao> and what is bot?
[02:36] <TheSheep> aabrahao: it's a program that pretends to be a normal irc user and reacts to certain things being said on the channel
[02:36] <TheSheep> !bot
[02:36] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[02:37] <TheSheep> aabrahao: it's a short from "robot"
[02:47] <aabrahao> and rebot is?
[02:58] <TheSheep> aabrahao: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot
[03:16] <blahblahx> hi
[03:16] <blahblahx> can i install xubuntu onto a firewire external derive
[03:16] <blahblahx> *drive
[03:32] <Jester46> anyone here know how to set varaibles to a bash script before it run likes ./script.sh -var1 -var2 -var3
[03:43] <TheSheep> Jester46: var=foo; ./script.sh
[03:44] <Jester46> ?
[03:44] <Jester46> oo
[03:45] <Jester46> wait i still dont understand, can i have "./script.sh -var1"'s var1 be dynamic
[03:46] <TheSheep> Jester46: I don't understand
[03:47] <TheSheep> var1="-l'; ls $var1
[03:47] <TheSheep> sorry
[03:47] <TheSheep> var1="-l"; ls $var1
[03:47] <TheSheep> like this?
[03:47] <Jester46> ok i making a script that would be a lot simpler to have the user input the infomation before the script runs like location of a file ans some settings can i have them input them before running it
[03:48] <TheSheep> var1=$(cat) <-- like this?
[03:49] <TheSheep> only it requires the user to press ^D to end the input :/
[03:50] <Jester46> no thats still not it... like when your giving variables to a program... say mplayer -famredrop -blah -blah
[03:51] <TheSheep> Jester46: they are passed as $1, $2, $3, etc.
[03:51] <TheSheep> Jester46: the name of the program is $0
[03:52] <Jester46> so...  script.sh -Hello -world would have $1 be Hello?
[03:52] <TheSheep> no, it would have it '-Hello'
[03:52] <Jester46> o
[03:52] <Jester46> thats file also
[03:52] <Jester46> one last question
[03:52] <Jester46> fine*
[03:53] <Jester46> in ruby there is nil is there somthing like that for bash
[03:53] <Jester46> is it null?
[03:54] <TheSheep> bash doesn't have objects or pointers
[03:54] <TheSheep> nil is an 'empty' pointer
[03:54] <Jester46> well how can i make the script know if the user didnt input say 3 items
[03:54] <Jester46> i think i know
[03:55] <TheSheep> you can do ./script "" "" "" ziew
[03:55] <TheSheep> or just use the word 'nil' if you don;t use it for anything else
[03:55] <TheSheep> or anything, really
[03:56] <Jester46> script.sh hellow world if [ "$3" = ""  ] ; then echo "You missed something"
[03:56] <TheSheep> uhm, not sure
[03:56] <TheSheep> but you can try
[03:56] <Jester46> there should be a line break after world
[03:57] <Jester46> well no becuase if they entered somthing it might mess up the script
[03:58] <Jester46> because the if statement would let the script keep going but there isnt correct input
[03:59] <TheSheep> you need to exit(2)
[04:00] <Jester46> but i saying if they had a $3 but was somthing useless like "asdfasd" it wouldnt work
[04:00] <TheSheep> how can the script know if it is useful?
[04:05] <Jester46> thats what im saying it cant
[04:05] <Jester46> unless i make a really longstring of if commands
[04:14] <TheSheep> Jester46: are you sure you want to write this in bash?
[04:21] <VeganChick01> has anyone else had a problem running videos in xubuntu?
[04:21] <Jester45> not me
[04:23] <vidd_laptop> VeganChick01, what app you using?
[04:24] <VeganChick01> vidd_laptop: i was using VLC, but it didn't make a difference what I used, even watching videos online w/ firefox had the same problem
[04:24] <vidd_laptop> did you instal libxine-extracodecs?
[04:24] <VeganChick01> they were distorted, like there was a line down the diagonal and the two split frames were running at slightly diff rates
[04:25] <VeganChick01> vidd_laptop: i don't think so. would that help all videos?
[04:25] <vidd_laptop> id say about 99%
[04:27] <VeganChick01> vidd_laptop: ok. i think you just saved me from not reinstalling xubuntu ;)
[04:31] <vidd_laptop> VeganChick01, a re-install would have fixed nothing
[04:31] <VeganChick01> vidd_laptop: i wasn't doing it for that. when i updated to feisty, firefox was really messed up
[04:32] <vidd_laptop> because the issue was not with the os...
[04:32] <vidd_laptop> ok...just so ya know a re-install does not "fix" things like it does in windows
[04:32] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[04:32] <Jester_bot> vidd_laptop: did you copy/paste me?
[04:33] <VeganChick01> vidd_laptop: haha. i know...i'm an OS X user btw :P
[04:33] <vidd_laptop> no...just paraphrased
[04:37] <Jester45> more like grammar correction
[04:41] <TheSheep> time to go to sleep
[04:42] <vidd_laptop> ouch
[05:00] <thirdy> any online racing game for xubuntu?
[05:00] <Jester45> online... not sure about that
[05:01] <thirdy> e-games equivalent for linux
[05:01] <Jester45> !games
[05:01] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[05:01] <thirdy> ok I'll check dat
[05:01] <Jester45> !info tuxracer
[05:01] <ubotu> Package tuxracer does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[05:03] <tonyyarusso> !info planetpenguin-racer
[05:03] <ubotu> planetpenguin-racer: another 3D racing game featuring Tux, the Linux penguin. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.1-8 (feisty), package size 273 kB, installed size 744 kB
[05:03] <tonyyarusso> (name change)
[05:03] <Jester45> o
[05:03] <thirdy> any car racing/
[05:16] <aliasrush> has anyone use xmms with xubuntu?
[05:17] <Jester45> i dont i use mpd+mpc but i cant seem to get it working
[05:17] <aliasrush> Jester45: what is mpd and mpc?
[05:17] <Jester45> !info mpd
[05:17] <ubotu> mpd: Music Player Daemon. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.12.2-2ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 127 kB, installed size 404 kB
[05:17] <Jester45> !mpd
[05:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mpd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:18] <Jester45> its a cli program that start when your computer starts and is VERY light weight
[05:18] <Jester45> mpc is a cli client to it there is also gui client like gmpc and sonata
[05:18] <aliasrush> so how do you get it to play music?
[05:19] <aliasrush> so you use commands to play your music
[05:19] <aliasrush> seems hard to use
[05:19] <Jester45> search google its a bit more compliated than gui music player but its worth it. also you can have it stream the audio over your network
[05:19] <crdlb> ncmpc is also nice
[05:19] <Jester45> aliasrush: i have mpc only becuase i have keyboard binding on mpc
[05:19] <aliasrush> that seems like an interesting feature
[05:20] <Jester45> aliasrush: you can make ctrl + n to play next song or any other combo
[05:20] <Jester45> its really nice if you have a mulimedia keyboard with special play next stop buttons
[05:21] <Jester45> aliasrush: and mpc work like "mpc next" for next track "mpc stop" to stop
[05:21] <Jester45> and if your X crashes/restarts/logout it keeps playing
[05:23] <aliasrush> wow that seems really interesting.... I think I will give it a whirl
[05:23] <aliasrush> how do you maintain play lists?
[05:26] <aliasrush> Jester45: are you still there? I am wondering what program you use to download media?
[05:27] <Jester45> aliasrush: well... i dont download copyrighted media but i use gtk-gnutella (in repos)
[05:27] <aliasrush> gotchya... how do you use gnutella?
[05:27] <Jester45> but i guess you wanted to use you could im not advising you in anyway
[05:27] <Jester45> its like limewire but faster
[05:28] <aliasrush> I find it hard to use?
[05:28] <Jester45> becuase its not java
[05:28] <Jester45> it has a feild at the top for searches
[05:28] <Jester45> you double click the file you want to downloads
[05:30] <aliasrush> yeah that is fast
[05:30] <Jester45> and if you want it faster you can use gtk1 but thats a bit harder to use
[05:32] <aliasrush> jester45: do you use xubuntu?
[05:32] <Jester45> yea
[05:36] <aliasrush> wow... that is really fast
[05:37] <Jester45> told you
[05:38] <aliasrush> yes indeed
[05:38] <aliasrush> Jester45: do you know why xmms' menus are ugly... similar to that of windows95?
[05:39] <Jester45> its gtk1?
[05:39] <Jester45> all white?
[05:39] <aliasrush> well all grey and nothing like the rest of the windows
[05:39] <aliasrush> is there anyway to fix that?
[05:40] <Jester45> yea its GTK1, try a diffrent program there are some others, it might be skinable im not sure
[05:40] <aliasrush> I just downlaoded a 100mb file in 5 mins using gnutella!!!
[05:40] <aliasrush> yeah it is skinable.... but its just the menus that are ugly
[05:41] <aliasrush> why does gtk do that?
[05:41] <Jester45> there is 2 versions 1 and 2 GTK2 is what xubuntu uses and is slower but pretty and user freindly GTK1 is faster but ugly
[05:43] <aliasrush> so gtk1 is the faster one?
[05:45] <Jester45> ok, GTK1 is the version version GTK2 is the 2nd the 2nd version is what you normaly see in xubuntu gtk1 is is what the gray/ugly apps use
[05:47] <aliasrush> oh so it all depends on the app and there is nothing I can really do
[05:47] <Jester45> not much
[05:48] <Jester45> there are GTK1 themes that make it a bit better but still not much
[06:19] <aliasrush> Jester45: do you know how to disable the tooltips in xfce?
[06:20] <aliasrush> anyone know how to disable tooltips for that matter?
[06:20] <Jester45> nope not off the top of my head
[06:22] <aliasrush> man are they anoying!
[06:27] <Jester45> @chucknorris
[06:27] <Jester_bot> When Moses parted the Red Sea, Chuck Norris closed it back up and said, "Not on my time." [score=6.0] 
[06:27] <Jester45> @part #xubuntu
[06:28] <Pumpernickel> No bots, please.
[06:28] <Jester45> it was only for the chucknorris, sorry
[06:28] <Jester45> hes new and i wanted to use it for somthing
[06:29] <Jester45> o and did you know ubotu listens to @also
[06:29] <Jester45> at least the @part
[06:29] <aliasrush> really.... what is a bot anyways?
[06:30] <Jester45> its a program on a computer
[06:30] <aliasrush> running on your computer?
[06:30] <Jester45> it replys to special caractors like ! @ # $ %
[06:31] <Jester45> the Jester_bot is mine ubotu is... umm ubuntu's
[06:31] <vidd_laptop> Jester45, you trying to get banned again?
[06:31] <Jester45> not really
[06:31] <vidd_laptop> coulda fooled me
[06:31] <Jester45> vidd_laptop: it timed out again
[06:31] <Jester45> im tricky like that
[06:31] <vidd_laptop> the bot? or the mail?
[06:32] <Jester45> mail
[06:32] <aliasrush> alright goodnight all
[06:32] <Jester45> night
[08:01] <Jester45> @math pi
[08:01] <Jester45> oops darn it
[09:02] <j1mc> join #xubuntu-devel
[09:02] <j1mc> heh.  :)
[09:02] <vidd_laptop> ya might want to use that "/" symbol...comes in handy sometimes
[09:03] <j1mc> yeah, totally.  :)
[09:03] <vidd_laptop> ya think THATS bad.....
[09:04] <vidd_laptop> my msql went down cuzz i didnt comment out a line i used to reset the password
[09:04] <Jester45> lol vidd_laptop
[09:05] <vidd_laptop> ive been going nuts for like 4 hours with it!
[09:05] <Jester45> you should of game me that little bit
[09:05] <vidd_laptop> i did it like a week ago
[09:06] <vidd_laptop> but when the power went out, it couldnt restart cuzz i got rid of the file it called
[09:06] <j1mc> vidd_laptop: sounds rough. . .
[09:07] <vidd_laptop> cuzz it was a /tmp file....and who needs THEM wasting space.......
[09:08] <j1mc> so you deleted it?
[09:09] <vidd_laptop> well...yeah.....i didnt NEED it...i got in and reset the password....
[09:10] <vidd_laptop> got the server running.....
[09:10] <vidd_laptop> forgot what the file was for
[09:11] <vidd_laptop> it was named ....something obsene
[09:12] <vidd_laptop> in the future, i suppose ill name it something like "go ahead and delete this key peice of xyz app
[09:12] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[09:13] <vidd_laptop> but all is well and good in the world again....for now
[09:14] <vidd_laptop> do /tmp files delete themselves ?
[09:21] <spar1> Hey anyone having problems at the 15% mark when installing Xubuntu?
[09:30] <Zvezdichko> sup
[09:30] <Jester45> hi
[09:30] <spar1> ANyone get problems at 15% mark for installation?
[09:31] <Jester45> im sure someone has, but i dont know anything special about it
[09:32] <Jester45> sorry that i cant be of any more help
[09:38] <j1mc> spar1: what kind of problems do you have at 15% installation?
[09:39] <Jester45> that was fun
[09:39] <Jester45> from my side
[09:42] <j1mc> Jester45: netsplit.  woo
[09:42] <j1mc> it was like the matrix in here for a moment.  ;)
[09:47] <Jester45> well it droped from 70 to 11 people for me
[09:47] <Jester45> there was one yesterday also
[09:54] <j1mc> heh....
[09:54] <j1mc> what happens with a netsplit, do you know?
[09:54] <j1mc> it sounds like some people on irc enter a fourth dimension or something.
[09:56] <Jester45> freenode is a network of uni servers netsplit is when one or more denetowkr
[09:57] <Jester45> so your connected to yours and im connected to mine but nottogether
[09:57] <Jester45> !netsplit
[09:57] <ubotu> netsplit is when two IRC servers of the same network (like Freenode) disconnect from each other, so users on one server stop seeing users on the other. If this is happening now, just relax and enjoy the show. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit
[09:57] <Jester45> dang im good :)
[09:59] <thirdy> how do I run Xfwm4?
[09:59] <Jester45> press alt + F2 type xfwm4 then click run
[10:05] <j1mc> hi grazie
[10:05] <grazie> hi j1mc
[10:06] <grazie> Just switched broadband service provider...it's looking good :) How's it goin' with you?
[10:06] <Jester45> thats good
[10:07] <grazie> Hi Jester45
[10:08] <Jester45> hi
[10:10] <Jester45> what kinda broadband
[10:14] <Jester45> o i c DSL
[10:15] <grazie> sorry Jester45 ... yeah adsl over the telephone network
[10:17] <grazie> I'm living out in the countryside now, but getting nearly 2M... the technology has much improved.
[10:17] <j1mc> grazie: sorry, i was afk.
[10:17] <j1mc> i'm doing well, thought.  :)
[10:17] <grazie> great
[10:22] <j1mc> i think i'm off to bed, though.  :)
[10:22] <j1mc> take care, all
[10:38] <hangthedj> !info kooka
[10:38] <ubotu> kooka: scanner program for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu4 (feisty), package size 743 kB, installed size 1204 kB
[11:17] <Ezep_Notebook> how could i access ttys from X?
[11:17] <Ezep_Notebook> i press alt+ctrl+fx and it don't work
[11:21] <Merchelo> Terminal ?
[11:21] <Ezep_Notebook> yes, but tty
[11:22] <Merchelo> ctrl+alt f2 works for me
[11:22] <Ezep_Notebook> mmm... maybe cause im in fluxbox...
[11:22] <Ezep_Notebook> but anyways
[11:22] <Ezep_Notebook> i have to can...
[11:27] <homebrewcider> what am I doing wrong, my error message on configuring k3b says "cannot create executables"
[11:27] <homebrewcider> "configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[11:27] <homebrewcider> See `config.log' for more details."
[11:32] <grazie> homebrewcider: seems like you're trying to BUILD k3b...is this wht your intend? Do you really want a kde app on a gtk based distro?
[11:32] <grazie> your intentension*
[11:32] <grazie> oh dear!
[11:32] <Merchelo> dictionary anyone?
[11:33] <Merchelo> intention
[11:34] <homebrewcider> I've already got a slightly older version of k3b, but I want the latest version with the inbuilt ripping of dvds
[11:34] <homebrewcider> is the fact that I've got it installed already the problem?
[11:34] <homebrewcider> the older version that is
[11:36] <grazie> homebrewcider: best to remove old version, but build may do that for you. Have you built packages from source before? If not, you need the build-essential package installed.
[11:38] <shiftplusone> hey, does xubuntu have system sounds like on startup and such?
[11:38] <homebrewcider> I've done from source before
[11:38] <homebrewcider> I'll uninstall and install from new and see how that goes
[11:39] <homebrewcider> grazie, what program would you recommend instead?
[11:39] <grazie> homebrewcider: you checked the config.log for more details?
[11:39] <homebrewcider> it's all greek to me
[11:40] <shiftplusone> ...and what's the default xubuntu document/image viewer?
[11:40] <homebrewcider> want me to pastebin it?
[11:41] <homebrewcider> it's quite long,................. the config.log that is
[11:41] <homebrewcider> hehe
[11:42] <grazie> homebrewcider: I use graveman which is gtk and can rip dvds, but does not have as many features as k3b. gnomebaker is better than k3b on a gtk system, but again may not do all you want.
[11:43] <grazie> homebrewcider: yes, pastebin the log
[11:45] <thirdy> xfce is too hard
[11:45] <homebrewcider> http://paste.uni.cc/15995
[11:50] <grazie> homebrewcider: think it may be a dependency problem
[11:50] <grazie> homebrewcider: have you installed build-essential?
[11:51] <homebrewcider> never heard of it before, but am now
[11:53] <grazie> homebrewcider: I'm surprised the repo version of k3b doesn't already support dvd ripping...am I missing something?
[11:53] <kumamoto> homebrewcider: the k3b that comes with feisty doesn't have dvd ripping capabilities?
[12:01] <homebrewcider> doesn't show up the dvd like it should
[12:04] <kumamoto> Mine does show the dvd and is capable of ripping.
[12:05] <kumamoto> I bet there is something that wasn't installed for assisting with the dvd ripping. do you have automatix installed it can help you on that.
[12:05] <homebrewcider> apt-get says latest version already installed
[12:05] <homebrewcider> but latest version is 1.0.1
[12:06] <homebrewcider> I have 0.12.17
[12:07] <homebrewcider> this is the bit i don't understand
[12:08] <homebrewcider> somethin seems to be happening now
[12:09] <homebrewcider> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[12:09] <homebrewcider> hmmmm
[12:10] <homebrewcider> uninstalling
[12:10] <homebrewcider> and starting again
[12:11] <homebrewcider> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[12:11] <homebrewcider> what are x includes?
[12:11] <homebrewcider>  :(
[12:12] <kumamoto> homebrewcider: are trying to install it remotely or are u on the desktop?
[12:12] <homebrewcider> on desktop
[12:15] <kumamoto> are you on edgy or feisty?
[12:16] <kumamoto> I know my k3b didn't work for crap on edgy once updated to feisty it worked like a charm
[12:20] <homebrewcider> dapper
[12:20] <homebrewcider> dist-upgrade?
[12:23] <kumamoto> u r now running dapper?
[12:26] <homebrewcider> all the repositories say dapper, hehe
[12:26] <kumamoto> ok so change all that to feisty
[12:27] <kumamoto> then run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:27] <homebrewcider> "change all that to feisty"?
[12:27] <homebrewcider> means?
[12:27] <Merchelo> no
[12:28] <Merchelo> please use the update manager to upgrade to feisty
[12:28] <kumamoto> check this out http://www.nongeekperspective.com/2007/05/how-to-upgrade-from-dapper-to-feisty.html
[12:29] <kumamoto> it worked for me
[12:31] <grazie> Using update manager should give a safer and more efficient upgrade. Also, upgrading two releases in one step really isn't advisable, even though some folks may have done it without problems.
[12:32] <homebrewcider> so, upgrading by upgrade manager is the safest way?
[12:32] <homebrewcider> does that do it one version at a time?
[12:33] <grazie> homebrewcider: yes and yes
[12:33] <homebrewcider> ok, I'll go with that
[12:33] <homebrewcider> time is not an issue
[12:33] <homebrewcider> cheers
[12:35] <grazie> homebrewcider: it's very important to backup data before any kind of upgrade
[12:41] <blahblahx> hi
[12:44] <blahblahx> hi
[12:47] <Merchelo> hello
[12:50] <kumamoto> I guess everyone has there own way of doing things love linux
[12:56] <Merchelo> 8no
[12:58] <Merchelo> !info john
[12:58] <ubotu> john: active password cracking tool. In component main, is optional. Version 1.6-40ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 548 kB, installed size 1172 kB
[01:11] <thirdy> I've set xfce to not manage the desktop
[01:11] <thirdy> now no icons are showing in my deskto
[01:11] <thirdy> p
[01:11] <stryper> pretty clean :)
[01:12] <thirdy> how do I undo wat I did? No more right click in desktop
[01:12] <thirdy> I thinking of switching to KDE
[01:13] <thirdy> wats the system requirements?
[01:14] <stryper> oh, sys reqs ... yes, I was out... I'm currently using KDE with 192 mbs of ram, Pentium 3 processor:)
[01:47] <thirdy> stryper, latest KDE? I have 1.1Duron, 256mbRAM
[01:47] <stryper> it's great for you
[01:47] <thirdy> stryper, I'm using Xubuntu right now, how do I change xfce to KDE?
[01:48] <stryper> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[01:48] <hyper_ch> thirdy: sudo aptitude install kde-desktop
[01:48] <thirdy> is there more apps in KDE dan Gnome?
[01:48] <hyper_ch> thirdy: use aptitude
[01:48] <stryper> TheSheep, yes
[01:48] <thirdy> not apt?
[01:48] <hyper_ch> thirdy: nope... just different ones.... but you can run any app in either gnome, xfce or kde
[01:48] <stryper> hyper_ch, what's the difference? I use both of them...
[01:48] <thirdy> Overall, KDE is the best?
[01:49] <hyper_ch> thirdy: aptitude does handle meta-packages better than apt-get
[01:49] <hyper_ch> thirdy: well, what is the best? That depends on the factors for rating that you apply
[01:49] <thirdy> Criteria is: Newbie friendly
[01:50] <thirdy> Easy custom themes
[01:50] <hyper_ch> thirdy: well, what is newbie friendly?
[01:50] <thirdy> Easy apps
[01:50] <hyper_ch> thirdy: you will have to setup criterias for that als
[01:50] <hyper_ch> thirdy: easy apps is another thing... this is al very much depending on the user...
[01:51] <thirdy> KDE has the best apps right?
[01:51] <stryper> I like KDE more than Gnome... I personally think that there are more integrated packages for kde than gnome
[01:51] <hyper_ch> I tend to say the easiest distro for a user is the one that recognizes most hardware out-of-the-box.... the interface doesn't play such a great role I tend to think
[01:51] <thirdy> yeah
[01:52] <thirdy> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[01:52] <hyper_ch> use aptitude
[01:52] <thirdy> ok, nothing more?
[01:52] <hyper_ch> instead of apt-get
[01:52] <thirdy> then wat will happen next?
[01:52] <thirdy> reboot?
[01:53] <thirdy> is that the full KDE?
[01:53] <stryper> blah I'm currently downloading KDE 4 with apt-get. Can I unterrupt the process and use aptitude?
[01:53] <hyper_ch> reboot is rarely needed... but not after installation of a new desktop... you just need to log out of your x-session
[01:53] <hyper_ch> stryper: use download KDE 4 or  kubuntu-desktop? that's not the same
[01:53] <thirdy> how do I do that?
[01:53] <stryper> KDE 4...
[01:53] <stryper> not Kubuntu-desktop
[01:54] <hyper_ch> thirdy: ctrl-alt-backspace
[01:54] <hyper_ch> hmm, is it also a meta-package?
[01:54] <stryper> it's being installed in a separate dir and runs alongside kde 3
[01:54] <hyper_ch> while it's still downloading it shouldn't matter if you used apt-get or aptitude
[01:54] <stryper> I just want to try the new features. I know it's unstable and almost unusable
[01:54] <thirdy> hyper_ch, ok then, how do I start kubuntu desktop?
[01:55] <hyper_ch> well, you then have a dropdown besides the input box for username and password and in there just select kde
[01:57] <thirdy> that will download the stable KDE right?
[01:57] <stryper> thirdy, yes ... ;)
[01:57] <hyper_ch> thirdy: it's the desktop for the kubuntu version of *buntu... it's 3.5.4 or something.... it's stable
[01:57] <thirdy> ok I'll install it now
[01:58] <stryper> hyper_ch, it's already 3.5.7 ;)
[01:58] <thirdy> It's not diff from KDE right?
[01:58] <hyper_ch> been a long time since I used KDE
[01:58] <hyper_ch> thirdy: it is different
[01:58] <stryper> hyper_ch, what do you use now?
[01:58] <thirdy> no I min, diff from kubuntu desktop
[01:58] <hyper_ch> stryper: have a guess (hint: what channel are we in?)
[01:59] <hyper_ch> thirdy: nope, it's not different from it... it's the kubuntu-desktop :)
[01:59] <stryper> then Xfce... :) but I asked because I have multiple desktop environments
[01:59] <stryper> ;)
[01:59] <hyper_ch> stryper: but then I use many kde appz
[02:00] <thirdy> sudo aptitude install kde-desktop
[02:00] <hyper_ch> Sysinfo for 'xubi': Linux 2.6.20-16-generic running Xfce 4.4.0, CPU: AMD Sempron 2400+ at 1683 MHz (3371 bogomips), HD: 329/897GB, RAM: 994/1010MB, 145 proc's, 17.12h up
[02:00] <thirdy> is that the command? just wanna make sure nothing goes wrong
[02:00] <hyper_ch> stryper: btw, want to fix your sysinfo script? ^^
[02:00] <thirdy> sudo aptitude install kde-desktop
[02:00] <hyper_ch> upstreamed it should be fixed but there hasn't been a *buntu update yet
[02:00] <hyper_ch> thirdy: yes, that's it
[02:00] <thirdy> thanx
[02:00] <stryper> hyper_ch, sysinfo script?
[02:01] <hyper_ch> stryper: you're using Konversation?
[02:01] <stryper> no.
[02:01] <stryper> gnome-xchat
[02:02] <thirdy> hyper_ch, stryper, wat language are you using now?
[02:02] <stryper> I don't like Konversation ... :) I've been using xchat for years.
[02:02] <stryper> thirdy, bulgarian
[02:02] <hyper_ch> stryper: xchat in KDE?
[02:02] <hyper_ch> thirdy: what do you mean by "language"?
[02:02] <thirdy> stryper, Programming Language
[02:03] <stryper> hyper_ch, yes, as you said gnome apps may run in KDE and so on...
[02:03] <stryper> :)
[02:03] <thirdy> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "kde-desktop"
[02:03] <thirdy> The following packages have been automatically kept back:
[02:03] <thirdy>   libfreetype6 linux-image-generic linux-restricted-modules-common
[02:03] <thirdy>   linux-restricted-modules-generic
[02:03] <thirdy> The following packages have been kept back:
[02:03] <thirdy>   app-install-data-commercial apport apport-gtk firefox gimp gimp-data
[02:03] <thirdy>   gstreamer0.8-mad hal libgimp2.0 libhal-storage1 libhal1 libnspr4 libnss3
[02:03] <thirdy>   libpulse0 libsmbclient linux-generic linux-headers-generic python
[02:03] <thirdy>   python-apport python-gdbm python-minimal python-problem-report python2.5
[02:03] <thirdy>   python2.5-minimal samba-common smbclient tzdata unattended-upgrades
[02:03] <thirdy>   update-manager update-manager-core vim-common vim-runtime vim-tiny
[02:03] <thirdy> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 37 not upgraded.
[02:03] <thirdy> Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used.
[02:03] <stryper> but I prefer to use KDE software in KDE because of the integration... I hope you understand me correctly
[02:04] <hyper_ch> thirdy: do first this:   sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[02:04] <hyper_ch> thirdy: then do reboot
[02:04] <stryper> thirdy, I've used C and C++ looong ago now I have no time for programming :)
[02:04] <hyper_ch> thirdy: and then sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[02:04] <hyper_ch> stryper: well, most people are purists when it comes between gnome/kde appz
[02:05] <thirdy> ok
[02:05] <stryper> hyper_ch, why do you think it's that way?
[02:06] <hyper_ch> stryper: because it is that way according to my experience
[02:06] <stryper> I said it's because of integration with the desktop environment. I use quite a few gnome apps in KDE
[02:06] <hyper_ch> I use what suits me best
[02:07] <thirdy> 37 packages upgraded, 5 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[02:07] <thirdy> Need to get 85.6MB of archives. After unpacking 180MB will be used.
[02:07] <thirdy> Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] 
[02:07] <hyper_ch> Y
[02:07] <stryper> i hope that you don't think that I'm against gnome :)
[02:08] <thirdy> Can I delete some unessesary files?
[02:08] <thirdy> I need to save space
[02:08] <hyper_ch> thirdy: you could first remove Xfce
[02:08] <hyper_ch> and the saved packages
[02:09] <thirdy> can I do that after I have KDE?
[02:09] <hyper_ch> yes you can
[02:09] <thirdy> ok, show me how to clean my linux partition, after ok?
[02:10] <hyper_ch> if you want to
[02:10] <thirdy> y
[02:10] <hyper_ch> if you are going to permanently use KDE then you may want to use KDM instead of GDM...
[02:10] <hyper_ch> during the setup process you will be asked for this
[02:10] <thirdy> wats the diff?
[02:11] <hyper_ch> KDM--> KDE Display Manager
[02:11] <hyper_ch> GDM --> Gnome Display Manager
[02:11] <thirdy> oh
[02:11] <thirdy> ok
[02:12] <thirdy> Had hard tym here in linux
[02:12] <thirdy> I'm a 1day old linux user
[02:13] <thirdy> but I've managed to make java and flash work
[02:13] <thirdy> =)
[02:13] <Zvezdichko`away> X crashed somehow
[02:14] <hyper_ch> Zvezdichko`away: then restart it
[02:15] <hyper_ch> thirdy: I'm a... hmm... 3/4year-linux-user :)
[02:15] <Zvezdichko`away> ready ;)
[02:15] <Zvezdichko`away> now I'm back in xfce
[02:15] <Zvezdichko`away> I'd like to try some KDE software to see it in XFCe
[02:15] <Zvezdichko`away> for example Kopete
[02:16] <Zvezdichko`away> and... :(
[02:16] <Zvezdichko`away> wow
[02:16] <Zvezdichko`away> :(
[02:16] <Zvezdichko`away> it integrates itself in the system tray
[02:16] <Zvezdichko`away> ..
[02:16] <hyper_ch> Zvezdichko`away: yes it does
[02:17] <hyper_ch> Zvezdichko`away: I use k3b, kopete, konversation, ktorrent, krdc, krfb, konqueror, kate, ....
[02:17] <Zvezdichko`away> then I was wrong all the time
[02:17] <hyper_ch> wrongt about?
[02:18] <Zvezdichko`away> well, what I said was stupid... I said that KDE programs don't integrate in other desktop environments
[02:18] <thirdy> Wats the perfect xubuntu resource site?
[02:18] <thirdy> KDE has the most apps?
[02:18] <Zvezdichko`away> but I don't know why I was wrong. Maybe it was not so years ago ( when we had KDE 2.2 and Gnome 1.4 )
[02:19] <hyper_ch> thirdy: what do you mean by that "perfect ressource site"?
[02:19] <hyper_ch> Zvezdichko`away: dunno... they did so ever I started using linux desktops
[02:19] <thirdy> wer u can get the best apps, themes and everything for your xubuntu
[02:19] <thirdy> games!
[02:20] <Zvezdichko`away> games? why don't you use your windows games? if you can afford cedega
[02:20] <Zvezdichko`away> Office suite - i use openoffice. aptitude kubuntu-desktop should have installed Openoffice with kde
[02:21] <thirdy> yeah, but I wanna explore linux
[02:21] <hyper_ch> thirdy: games nore not made for specific desktops... rather for builds for specific distros and/or available as source code
[02:21] <Zvezdichko`away> hyper_ch, I mean ... yes, you can run whatever you want in *any* window manager. But I mean things like... integration in the system panel or so
[02:22] <hyper_ch> Zvezdichko`away: does kubuntu come with OOo? I thought if features KOffice
[02:22] <Zvezdichko`away> well, do you remember? when you helped me to install kubuntu-desktop it automatically installed openoffice
[02:22] <Zvezdichko`away> ..
[02:23] <hyper_ch> Zvezdichko`away: did I help you?
[02:23] <Zvezdichko`away> yes :)
[02:23] <hyper_ch> Zvezdichko`away: ok *smile* well, I don't remember about OOo
[02:23] <Zvezdichko`away> I remember ;)
[02:23] <hyper_ch> did it help what I said you have to do?
[02:23] <Zvezdichko`away> but now I have Open office, not Kword, Kpresenter...
[02:23] <Zvezdichko`away> yes, of course ;)
[02:24] <Zvezdichko`away> but I have Kexi installed :)
[02:24] <hyper_ch> what's kexi?
[02:24] <Zvezdichko`away> hyper_ch :) I'm noob to Ubuntu... I used slackware for a long time
[02:25] <Zvezdichko`away> you know, no dependencies, just .tgz packages
[02:25] <hyper_ch> well, I've had now a debian server for two years but started with linux desktop last august
[02:25] <Zvezdichko`away> installpkg neshtosi.tgz
[02:25] <Zvezdichko`away> :0
[02:25] <Zvezdichko`away> removepkg and so on :)
[02:25] <hyper_ch> Zvezdichko`away: sounds complicated *g* I just "grew up" with apt
[02:26] <Zvezdichko`away> hyper_ch, a portative database program like MS Access
[02:26] <hyper_ch> ms access is portative?
[02:26] <Zvezdichko`away> it's not complicated. .tgz is like .tar.gz. The packages for Slackware are just tarballs
[02:27] <Zvezdichko`away> hyper_ch, we call it that one in Bulgarian... this is the word
[02:27] <hyper_ch> I know that tgz are tar.gz ^^
[02:27] <hyper_ch> Zvezdichko`away: well, what do you mean by "portative"?
[02:28] <Zvezdichko`away> well, it's difficult to be explained but... maybe a database program for office needs
[02:28] <hyper_ch> hmmm... oh well, never mind :)
[02:29] <Zvezdichko`away> apt-get is quite useful :)
[02:29] <hyper_ch> it's a good package manager... I tend to think this is the great strength of debian(-based) distros
[02:29] <Zvezdichko`away> have you tried rpm?
[02:30] <hyper_ch> yes I did
[02:30] <Zvezdichko`away> I know that Slackware users have slapt... which is similar
[02:30] <hyper_ch> I had a RH server in the beginning
[02:31] <Zvezdichko`away> oh, I've had Red Hat 8.0
[02:31] <hyper_ch> I think it was RH 7
[02:31] <hyper_ch> rpm -iHv *.rpm
[02:31] <hyper_ch> I thought first that is so cool... but then I got hold of debian
[02:31] <hyper_ch> with it's repos and dependency manager
[02:32] <Zvezdichko`away> downloading and installling packages with a simple command
[02:32] <Zvezdichko`away> :)
[02:32] <noob> is xfce gtk?
[02:32] <hyper_ch> noob: yes it is
[02:34] <Catoptromancy> I remember someone had a problem with WINE hogging the menu?
[02:34] <Catoptromancy> like a week ago
[02:34] <hyper_ch> then you remember more than me Catoptromancy... but then Zvezdichko`away already proved my memory isn't the best one
[02:35] <Catoptromancy> heh
[02:35] <Catoptromancy> Well we spent quite awhile trying to figure it ouy
[02:35] <Catoptromancy> out
[02:35] <Catoptromancy> I figured it out!
[02:35] <Zvezdichko`away> you mean the Start menu?
[02:35] <hyper_ch> Catoptromancy: how?
[02:35] <Catoptromancy> I just reformatted
[02:35] <Catoptromancy> And copied all my hidden files/folders in /home/
[02:35] <hyper_ch> Catoptromancy: well, reformatting the drive helps always :) but I'm sure there's another way to do it
[02:36] <Catoptromancy> When I put them back into /home/  cuz I made backups
[02:36] <Catoptromancy> the menu came back!
[02:36] <Catoptromancy> the hogging menu
[02:36] <Catoptromancy> so i knew exactly where to look
[02:36] <Catoptromancy> .local
[02:37] <Catoptromancy> I copied my whole /home/ folder to a few DVDs and everything has htt exact same settings
[02:37] <Catoptromancy> I didnt even need to reserver list xchat
[02:37] <hyper_ch> Catoptromancy: so you know the exact config file?
[02:37] <Catoptromancy> smoothest reformat ever
[02:38] <Catoptromancy> wasnt a config
[02:38] <Catoptromancy> just files tucked away in .local
[02:38] <hyper_ch> Catoptromancy: ah ok
[02:38] <Catoptromancy> .local/share/apps/wine/winecrap
[02:39] <hyper_ch> make a howto on ubuntuforums.org :)
[02:39] <Catoptromancy> Its actually on a bug report
[02:39] <noob> what makes xubuntu to be better than ubuntu?
[02:39] <Catoptromancy> we really investigated this
[02:39] <Catoptromancy> everything!
[02:39] <Catoptromancy> well dunno really, but Xfce is absolutely perfect for me
[02:40] <Catoptromancy> cept for a few bugs I can work around
[02:40] <Zvezdichko`away> it's very simple ... :) that's why I still prefer KDE
[02:40] <Zvezdichko`away> and I'm currently Downloading the KDE 4
[02:40] <Catoptromancy> I like simple
[02:40] <Catoptromancy> does exactly what I need it to, nothing more
[02:41] <hyper_ch> noob: better depends on the criteria that you apply for judging
[02:41] <Zvezdichko`away> I liked simple before, I liked it very much and I found out that bash is exactly what I need
[02:41] <hyper_ch> Catoptromancy: ok, then submit the bug at launchpad
[02:41] <Catoptromancy> There is no better distro/windows manager....its all what people prefer
[02:41] <Zvezdichko`away> a friend of mine said to me that I don't know how to hold the mouse ;)
[02:42] <noob> well, one big criteria is how fast it is, is there a huge difference of the ammount of ram it consumes?
[02:42] <noob> compared with gnome
[02:42] <Catoptromancy> well people say its faster
[02:42] <Zvezdichko`away> I think that Gnome is...
[02:42] <Catoptromancy> more noticable on slower machines I assume
[02:42] <Zvezdichko`away> gnome is not ram-eater
[02:43] <Zvezdichko`away> it's quite simple imo
[02:43] <Catoptromancy> Way faster than XP, only thing I can really judge it on
[02:43] <noob> ok
[02:43] <hyper_ch> Zvezdichko`away: gnome uses more ram and xfce
[02:43] <Catoptromancy> when it wants to crash a program, it just crashes.....XP gives you 5 error messages telling you its crashing.
[02:44] <Catoptromancy> heh
[02:44] <Zvezdichko`away> This program has performed an illegal operation and for that reason will be killed... er.. shut down
[02:44] <Zvezdichko`away> Windows Really Good edition
[02:45] <Catoptromancy> ya
[02:45] <Catoptromancy> Xfce just closes window, no message
[02:45] <Catoptromancy> no freeze
[02:45] <Zvezdichko`away> yes,
[02:45] <Zvezdichko`away> there's a Crash center for KDE however
[02:45] <Catoptromancy> and it still happens more rarely than XP
[02:46] <Zvezdichko`away> of course
[02:46] <Zvezdichko`away> do you know that Vista has a red screen of death and a blue screen of death altogether?
[02:46] <Catoptromancy> I think for looks, usability, and speed Xfce the best manager
[02:46] <Catoptromancy> needs a good balance of them all
[02:47] <Catoptromancy> Slackware is suppose to be the fastest, yet I barely got it installed
[02:47] <Zvezdichko`away> I'm old slackware user
[02:47] <Zvezdichko`away> ;)
[02:47] <hyper_ch> dsl is fast
[02:47] <Zvezdichko`away> it's a bit woody but it;s simple
[02:47] <Catoptromancy> dsl is fast, even ran on my 60 mb machine
[02:48] <noob> but should I download the 64 bit version if I got a amd64 or just be safe and take 32 bit?
[02:48] <hyper_ch> haven't tried feather yet
[02:48] <Catoptromancy> but I hated every program it came with
[02:48] <noob> I want flash
[02:48] <hyper_ch> noob: depends on how much you want to invest time on gettting things to work
[02:48] <hyper_ch> noob: as a desktop I recommend up to know 32bit
[02:48] <Catoptromancy> amd64 will be more suited to your machine
[02:48] <Catoptromancy> 32bit will still work
[02:48] <Zvezdichko`away> btw an offtopic question- is there skype for AMD 64?
[02:49] <hyper_ch> Zvezdichko`away: I don't think so... but the 32bit version could also be made to run somehow... same was with flash
[02:50] <hyper_ch> !bug 1
[02:50] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[02:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[02:50] <Catoptromancy> http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/4905/1179085632775pk9.jpg
[02:50] <Catoptromancy> heh
[02:51] <hyper_ch> actually it's not bad.. if the comupter isn't running you can do something different like socializing
[02:51] <Catoptromancy> xchat is my socializing
[02:51] <hyper_ch> Catoptromancy: hehehe
[02:52] <Catoptromancy> I still have 2 DVDs left of programs I need to put back in
[02:52] <hyper_ch> Catoptromancy: why???
[02:52] <Catoptromancy> I copied my whole /home/ folder before I reformatted
[02:53] <hyper_ch> Catoptromancy: the software is in the repos... all you need is a seperate home partition
[02:53] <Catoptromancy> not these
[02:53] <Catoptromancy> half of it is source code for odd programs
[02:53] <Catoptromancy> and the other half is doggie pictures
[02:53] <hyper_ch> iiiihhhh... source code
[02:54] <Catoptromancy> 2gbs of source
[02:54] <hyper_ch> have fun compiling
[02:54] <Catoptromancy> its easy with the right libs
[02:54] <Catoptromancy> hehe
[02:54] <hyper_ch> it takes some time
[02:54] <Catoptromancy> not really
[02:54] <Catoptromancy> I have 7 workspaces
[02:55] <Catoptromancy> I just switch to another when one is busy
[02:55] <thirdy_> 2gbs!?
[02:55] <thirdy_> wat program??
[02:55] <Catoptromancy> probably more
[02:55] <Catoptromancy> actaully about 20 programs
[02:55] <thirdy_> ho
[02:55] <thirdy_> oh
[02:55] <hyper_ch> well, you can't switch processors ^^
[02:55] <Catoptromancy> ak my DVDs arent mounting
[02:55] <Catoptromancy> I got 2 processors
[02:55] <hyper_ch> why not?
[02:56] <hyper_ch> well, 2 processors... 20 programms to compile ;)
[02:56] <Catoptromancy> when I compile my CPU meter flatlines half way up
[02:56] <Catoptromancy> so I can still use my other processor
[02:56] <Catoptromancy> heh
[02:56] <hyper_ch> me only got a single-core :(
[02:56] <hyper_ch> dual core would be nice for vmware
[02:57] <Catoptromancy> wow my DVD player is messed
[02:57] <thirdy_> ok gonna reboot now
[02:58] <Zvezdichko`away> restart -r now
[02:58] <Zvezdichko`away> :)
[02:59] <Catoptromancy> hmmm
[02:59] <Catoptromancy> my first DVD came up fine
[02:59] <hyper_ch> Catoptromancy: hmmm... is the second dvd misburnt?
[02:59] <Catoptromancy> i hope not
[02:59] <Catoptromancy> 3rd doesnt work either
[03:00] <hyper_ch> I don't use dvds for backup... found them to be too unreliable
[03:00] <Catoptromancy> now the 1st doesnt
[03:00] <Catoptromancy> Im sure its on there
[03:00] <Catoptromancy> first one mounted fine
[03:00] <Catoptromancy> now none of them do
[03:00] <hyper_ch> mount them manually
[03:00] <Catoptromancy> dunno how
[03:01] <Catoptromancy> never needed to
[03:01] <hyper_ch> !mount | Catoptromancy
[03:01] <ubotu> Catoptromancy: Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[03:02] <Catoptromancy> heh\
[03:02] <Catoptromancy> im lazy
[03:02] <Catoptromancy> I just added a "mount button" on my panel
[03:03] <Catoptromancy> !DiskMounter
[03:03] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[03:04] <Catoptromancy> dvds a cooking away
[03:04] <noob> which package installer is there after I install xubuntu?
[03:04] <Catoptromancy> xarchiver
[03:04] <Catoptromancy> or synaptic
[03:04] <Catoptromancy> I like using aptitude
[03:30] <Zvezdichko`away> is anybody still here
[03:31] <hepcat57> yup
[03:31] <Zvezdichko`away> ;)
[03:41] <hyper_ch> nope, I dieedd
[03:42] <Zvezdichko`away> your uptime is over dude
[03:42] <Zvezdichko`away> :)
[03:46] <StOo> hey guys, i'm having trouble getting Xubuntu PPC on an old iMac
[03:47] <StOo> it boots the LiveCD but it's _very_ slow to do so
[03:48] <StOo> and once it finally gets to the desktop, it doesn't work at all
[03:48] <StOo> trying to install or even open the filesystem results in it freezing
[03:48] <StOo> any ideas?
[03:49] <Zvezdichko`away> what CD did you use? Alternate ot desktop CD?
[03:49] <StOo> desktop
[03:49] <Zvezdichko`away> did the install finish successfully?
[03:50] <StOo> the install won't start
[03:50] <StOo> it boots the LiveCD, takes forever to get to the desktop
[03:50] <StOo> if i double click "install" or anything else
[03:50] <Zvezdichko`away> ok, try the alternate CD.
[03:50] <StOo> it starts trying to draw the window
[03:50] <StOo> then it just freezes
[03:50] <Zvezdichko`away> hm...
[03:51] <StOo> and the CD just spins very, very slowly
[03:51] <StOo> i've burned the disc 3 times to 3 different types of CD-R and it's the same with all of them
[03:51] <Zvezdichko`away> yes, same with me, but I was installing on an old PC not iMac
[03:51] <Zvezdichko`away> ..
[03:51] <Zvezdichko`away> yes, I know
[03:51] <Zvezdichko`away> try with the Alternate CD
[03:51] <StOo> ok alternate cd then
[03:51] <StOo> i'll try that
[03:51] <StOo> thanks
[03:51] <Zvezdichko`away> oki
[03:51] <Zvezdichko`away> np
[03:54] <hepcat58> alternate works much better on older HW
[03:54] <StOo> ok
[03:54] <StOo> i'm downloading it now
[03:56] <hepcat58> how much RAM?
[03:56] <StOo> i can't remember.. i think i upgraded it to 512
[03:56] <StOo> i don't think ram is the problem
[03:57] <StOo> it runs OSX
[03:57] <StOo> but it's very slow
[03:57] <Zvezdichko`away> I also had the minimum ram with the desktop CD
[03:57] <StOo> that's why i wanted to try xubuntu on it :)
[03:57] <Zvezdichko`away> and it freezed
[03:57] <Zvezdichko`away> I used Alternate CD
[03:57] <StOo> ok
[03:57] <Zvezdichko`away> StOo, you have to cope with the debian installer pal
[03:57] <StOo> heh
[03:57] <StOo> how hard can it be? :P
[03:58] <Zvezdichko`away> it's not that hard
[03:58] <Zvezdichko`away> but sometimes people think it's nightmare
[03:58] <Zvezdichko`away> I don't know why, it's easy enough for me
[03:58] <Zvezdichko`away> it may be difficult for you when it comes to your disk partitions
[03:58] <E42>  hi anyone know hot to delete the "Inne" section ??? btw. inne means OTHER , there are some activators cause i was installing diablo2 and warcraft3 by wine . But i dont want this "directory" there
[03:58] <E42> and here is a screen http://img400.imageshack.us/my.php?image=200706021545311024x768sov7.png
[03:59] <grazie> StOo: I'm one of the few on the channel that run xubuntu on ppc. Give me a shout if you have any ppc specific problems.
[03:59] <StOo> cheerz grazie
[04:01] <hyper_ch> StOo: the debian installer hasn't all those fancy graphics that the desktop-based one has... but it's straight forward
[04:01] <Zvezdichko`away> hyper_ch, I recommended him to use the alternate cd
[04:01] <hepcat58> yeah i'm running xubuntu on 128mb...
[04:01] <Zvezdichko`away> ;)
[04:02] <Zvezdichko`away> I hope I'm right
[04:02] <hyper_ch> Zvezdichko`away: I know
[04:02] <StOo> hehe
[04:02] <StOo> download just finished, burning it now
[04:02] <E42> ok i got it
[04:02] <Zvezdichko`away> OK, can you chat while installing?
[04:03] <StOo> not really, the mac is in another room..
[04:03] <StOo> i can run between rooms i guess :P
[04:03] <Zvezdichko`away> yes, if there's any problem
[04:03] <Zvezdichko`away> :0
[04:04] <StOo> oh, also.. will i be able to get the airport card in the imac to work or is it unsupported?
[04:04] <hepcat58> he's not installing Win, should be fine =P
[04:04] <hyper_ch> StOo: well, either it is supported or it's not :)
[04:04] <hyper_ch> StOo: you will see once it's installed
[04:04] <StOo> yeah
[04:05] <Zvezdichko`away> StOo, you should check whether it has driver support
[04:05] <Zvezdichko`away> hyper_ch, it's not necessary the driver to be in the sources
[04:05] <Zvezdichko`away> if it's not open source :)
[04:06] <hyper_ch> ok, that airport card is not a wifi card?
[04:07] <StOo> it is
[04:07] <StOo> that's just apple's name for it
[04:08] <hyper_ch> then either the kernel recognizes it or it won't
[04:08] <StOo> fingers crossed then
[04:09] <hyper_ch> StOo: google for   "ubuntu hardware" and you should end up in the hardware part of the wiki as first result... there you can check
[04:09] <hepcat58> can't wait to beef up my system to a whole 256mb
[04:09] <StOo> :D
[04:11] <Zvezdichko`away> mv * /dev/null
[04:14] <hyper_ch> Zvezdichko`away: mv /* /dev/null   ^^
[04:14] <Zvezdichko`away> yes :) that's freaking cool
[04:15] <hyper_ch> we shouldn't post stuff like that here
[04:15] <Zvezdichko`away> or it should be better sudo mv /* /dev/null
[04:15] <Zvezdichko`away> yes, that's right. I hope nobody will try this
[04:18] <hepcat58> why, what does it do?       XD
[04:18] <hyper_ch> hepcat58: hmmm.... google for "sudo" "mv" and "/dev/null", then you will know
[04:19] <hepcat58> was joking
[04:19] <hyper_ch> I wasn't
[04:19] <hyper_ch> ;)
[04:20] <hepcat58> well thanks for the heads up :-P
[04:21] <hepcat58> sudo rm /*
[04:23] <StOo> it detected the airport card fine
[04:23] <StOo> asking for the wep key.. i had to come in here to get it :P
[04:24] <aabrahao> After samba installed, the smb:/// is not a valid location appears when click in a windows network
[04:24] <Zvezdichko`away> what are you  talking about
[04:26] <Zvezdichko`away> :1 http://kubuntu.org feisty/main kdelibs5 3.90.1-0ubuntu1 [85,5MB] 
[04:26] <Zvezdichko`away> it's painfully slow
[04:27] <hepcat58> has anyone run xubuntu off of a USB drive, just for the hell of it?
[04:27] <Zvezdichko`away> just for the hell I don't know how to make the BIOS to boot
[04:28] <hepcat58> i would think that's the main sticking point, yes
[04:28] <Zvezdichko`away> otherwise I Like live distros
[04:28] <Zvezdichko`away> especially Menuet OS
[05:09] <hepcat57> any ideas why the add/remove dialog loads every time I start up?
[05:10] <vidd_laptop> it was probably on when you logged off with "save session" checked
[05:14] <hepcat57> oddly i don't even get that prompt...when I click the "quit" icon it just takes me back to the login screen and I have options for restart or shut down
[05:16] <vidd_laptop> right-click on it and choose "properties"
[05:16] <vidd_laptop> what is the default option?
[05:17] <StOo> damn
[05:17] <StOo> well it installed.. eventually
[05:17] <vidd_laptop> StOo, what?
[05:17] <StOo> but it's just freezing like it was with the livecd
[05:18] <StOo> i start it up, and after about 5 mins of stalling it finally gets to the logon screen
[05:18] <StOo> enter username and password and then it just freezes
[05:18] <vidd_laptop> how much ram you have?
[05:18] <StOo> 512mb
[05:18] <StOo> it's an old, slow iMac G3.. but it runs OSX ffs.. it should be able to START Xubuntu :P
[05:18] <vidd_laptop> what does dmsg tell you?
[05:19] <StOo> sorry i don't know what dmsg is
[05:20] <vidd_laptop> dmesg  sorry
[05:20] <vidd_laptop> it is a file that tells you what the machine is doing....
[05:20] <vidd_laptop> it stores the error message and such
[05:21] <StOo> ok i should point out i'm pretty new at linux so you'll have to tell me how to get to that file :P
[05:21] <vidd_laptop> do [ctr] [alt] [f2] 
[05:21] <vidd_laptop> this SHOULD give you a command line terminal asking for username and password
[05:25] <Zvezdichko`away> mmmmmmmm
[05:26] <StOo> sorry i went to check on it
[05:27] <StOo> it logs in eventually
[05:27] <StOo> but it's the same as it was before
[05:27] <Zvezdichko`away> and then?
[05:27] <StOo> i.e. takes 10 mins to even start rendering a window
[05:27] <Zvezdichko`away> strangr...
[05:27] <Zvezdichko`away> with the alternate instal
[05:27] <StOo> as if it's running at 1mhz or something
[05:27] <StOo> SO slow
[05:28] <StOo> so i have no idea what's wrong
[05:28] <StOo> i even pulled the airport card out to see if it was that, but it didn't help
[05:28] <Zvezdichko`away> no message? eh?
[05:28] <StOo> and pulled one of the ram sticks to see if it didn't like it
[05:28] <StOo> no, it's as if it's running fine, but for some reason is just incredibly slow
[05:29] <StOo> something messed up somewhere :/
[05:29] <Zvezdichko`away> does it get to the blue screen?
[05:29] <StOo> yes
[05:29] <ziosa> hi, i have a problem with configure matrox mga g200...help me
[05:29] <vidd_laptop> did you run the x86 installer or the ppp installer?
[05:29] <Zvezdichko`away> well, press ahead with the installation
[05:29] <StOo> ppc
[05:29] <Zvezdichko`away> ..
[05:29] <Zvezdichko`away> to see
[05:29] <StOo> it's installed already zvez
[05:29] <StOo> install finished
[05:29] <Zvezdichko`away> hm, does it boog
[05:29] <Zvezdichko`away> boot?
[05:29] <StOo> yes
[05:29] <StOo> that's what i'm saying
[05:30] <StOo> it boots
[05:30] <StOo> very slowly
[05:30] <StOo> i can login
[05:30] <vidd_laptop> it just takes forever
[05:30] <StOo> it takes about 5 mins just sitting there after i hit login
[05:30] <StOo> then the desktop finally appears
[05:30] <StOo> but it takes like 10 mins to render a window
[05:30] <StOo> literally
[05:30] <Zvezdichko`away> very strange...
[05:30] <StOo> if i try to open home
[05:30] <StOo> the parts of the window will start to draw
[05:30] <Zvezdichko`away> and the load is slow, too?
[05:31] <StOo> the load only seems to be slow once X starts
[05:31] <StOo> might be something wrong with X
[05:31] <Zvezdichko`away> ok
[05:31] <Zvezdichko`away> strange...
[05:31] <Zvezdichko`away> well
[05:31] <Zvezdichko`away> see /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:31] <vidd_laptop> StOo, so its fine until x loads?
[05:31] <StOo> well i can't be sure
[05:31] <StOo> i'm gonna try the steps on this page
[05:32] <StOo> this migth be the same as i'm getting
[05:32] <StOo> http://www.yellowjug.com/mac/xubuntu-linux-on-imac-g3/
[05:32] <Zvezdichko`away> oki
[05:32] <Zvezdichko`away> :0
[05:32] <aabrahao> After samba installed, the smb:/// is not a valid location appears when click in a windows network
[05:36] <jgamio> somebody know how to listen radio ?
[05:36] <Zvezdichko`away> yes, with XMMS.. add->url
[05:37] <Zvezdichko`away> emmm
[05:38] <jgamio> Zvezdichko`away: what is XMMS
[05:38] <Zvezdichko`away> hepcat57
[05:38] <Zvezdichko`away> what's up doc?
[05:38] <ziosa> hi, i have a problem with configure matrox mga g200...help me!
[05:38] <Zvezdichko`away> jgamio, something like WINAMP but it's for linux
[05:38] <Zvezdichko`away> sudo aptitude install xmms
[05:38] <jgamio> Zvezdichko`away: ok thank you
[05:39] <hepcat57> only options I have for the "quit" icon are "quit", "Lock screen" and "quit + lock screen"
[05:39] <Zvezdichko`away> hmmm...
[05:40] <vidd_laptop> which one is the default (pre-selected)?
[05:40] <Zvezdichko`away> you expect Reboot and Shut Down?
[05:41] <hepcat57> default is quit (halt)
[05:41] <Zvezdichko`away> yes
[05:41] <hepcat57> just looking for a way to remove any "saved session" settings
[05:41] <Zvezdichko`away> is it for Xfce?
[05:42] <vidd_laptop> Zvezdichko`away, he isnt getting any options....when he clicks it, it seems to crash his x
[05:42] <Zvezdichko`away> oh oh, I've missed it
[05:46] <StOoOo> guess what i'm typing on :)
[05:46] <hepcat57> osx
[05:46] <StOoOo> wrong
[05:46] <vidd_laptop> hepcat57, do you get any message in dmesg about xfce crashing?
[05:46] <vidd_laptop> StOo, that page clear your issue?
[05:46] <StOoOo> disabling DRI solved it
[05:47] <StOoOo> it works fine now
[05:47] <vidd_laptop> StOoOo, awesome
[05:47] <StOoOo> yep
[05:47] <Zvezdichko`away> great
[05:47] <Zvezdichko`away> :)
[05:47] <StOoOo> thanks for your help guys
[05:47] <StOoOo> /slap stoo
[05:47] <Zvezdichko`away> welcome to Linux
[05:48] <vidd_laptop> outside.....
[05:49] <vidd_laptop> there are TREES outside....and birds....and
[05:49] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[05:49] <Zvezdichko`away> and flying computers with ubuntu
[05:56] <hepcat57> car console mod w/ ubuntu =P
[06:34] <BFTD> hi all again
[06:43] <Jester45> hi BFTD
[06:44] <BFTD> hi, dang I'm still having troble with my laptop
[06:46] <Jester45> whats wrong with it
[06:49] <Jester45> on a defualt install is xorg accerated if glxinfo says i have direct rendering
[06:51] <vidd_laptop> BFTD, what issue you having?
[06:53] <BFTD> vidd_laptop It locks up just before the login screen, I see thew mouse cursor for a moment but then the screen goes black and starts to flicker
[06:54] <vidd_laptop> BFTD, can you access the tty?
[06:54] <BFTD> if I restart without shutting downthe laptop everything works fine
[06:54] <BFTD> vidd_laptop nope, the laptop becomes unresponsive
[06:54] <Jester45> while its flickering try pressing Crtl + Alt + F1
[06:54] <Jester45> ok then
[06:55] <BFTD> Jester45 I tried
[06:55] <Jester45> what about before it flickers
[06:56] <vidd_laptop> how old is the laptop?
[06:56] <Jester45> try pressing it over and over again as soon as the Xubuntu loading page goes away
[06:56] <BFTD> Jester no it doesn't allow me to move oever, in fact lets say I move to the tty durning boot up, it moves me back over to GUI
[06:56] <BFTD> vidd_laptop about 2 years old
[06:57] <vidd_laptop> does it use acpi?
[06:58] <Jester45> have you thought about installing it as a server then adding the gui ? so that you can make the defualt boot a cli only incase this happens again
[06:58] <BFTD> how do I tell?
[06:59] <BFTD> Jester45 I did that in the first place and it still would lock up
[06:59] <vidd_laptop> when you installed it, did you turn acpi off?
[06:59] <BFTD> no
[06:59] <BFTD> I get this error after I've logged in
[07:00] <BFTD> "Could not look up internet address for (may laptops name), This will prevent Xfce from operating correctly.
[07:03] <snyft> i was wondering if it is possible to mount xubuntu iso in windows with daemon tools and install it from there?
[07:03] <Jester45> no
[07:04] <Jester45> you have to boot with the cd to install it
[07:04] <snyft> oh :(
[07:04] <Jester45> there is one thing that can install from windows but its not supported here offically
[07:04] <Jester45> i will get a link
[07:05] <snyft> thanks
[07:05] <Pumpernickel> There's more than one.
[07:05] <Pumpernickel> e.g; https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromWindows
[07:06] <snyft> damn only 6.06
[07:08] <hyper_ch> huhu Pumpernickel
[07:08] <hyper_ch> huhu Jester45
[07:08] <hyper_ch> huhu BFTD
[07:08] <hyper_ch> huhu vidd_laptop
[07:08] <Jester45> hi
[07:09] <Pumpernickel> hyper_ch: Was there a point to that?
[07:09] <hyper_ch> Pumpernickel: just saying hello to people that I "know" :)
[07:09] <Pumpernickel> 'huhu'?
[07:09] <BFTD> how does one disable X from starting?
[07:10] <Jester45> BFTD: you could use a livd cd and edit stuff
[07:10] <hyper_ch> Pumpernickel: "huhu" is a German version for "hi"
[07:10] <BFTD> or I could just go into recovery mode
[07:10] <Pumpernickel> Ah.
[07:11] <hyper_ch> Pumpernickel: you're not typing? !de | hyper ?
[07:12] <Jester45> :)
[07:12] <Jester45> !codecs
[07:12] <BFTD> How do I disable the splash screen?
[07:12] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:12] <Pumpernickel> BFTD: `sudo mv /etc/rc2.d/S13gdm /etc/rc2.d/K13gdm`
[07:12] <Pumpernickel> BFTD: For usplash, just remove the 'splash' option in grub.  You can do that at boot.
[07:13] <hyper_ch> Pumpernickel: have you ever tried "sudo mv /* /dev/null"?
[07:13] <Pumpernickel> Only from /dev/urandom.
[07:13] <Jester45> i would like to point out that on http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html Wine is not a emulator
[07:13] <Pumpernickel> And that was copying.
[07:13] <hyper_ch> ;)
[07:18] <BFTD> it works now
[07:18] <BFTD> finally
[07:19] <BFTD> all i did was disable splash and quite in the grub
[07:21] <hyper_ch> Pumpernickel: how long was it copying?
[07:24] <Pumpernickel> hyper_ch: Until I ^C'ed it.
[07:24] <hyper_ch> Pumpernickel: why didn't you let it finish?
[07:24] <Pumpernickel> It would've continued forever, without the interrupt.
[07:36] <hyper_ch> !bug 1
[07:36] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[07:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[07:37] <OGDA> testing testing, do you guy see this?
[07:37] <BFTD> !!
[07:37] <BFTD> loud and clear
[07:38] <Merchelo> no, i didn't see anything.
[07:39] <hyper_ch> OGDA: nope, I see nothing
[07:44] <OGDA> haha
[07:44] <OGDA> how do I set my laptop to shutdown when I press the power button
[07:44] <OGDA> ?
[07:45] <hyper_ch> what does it do when you press it now?
[07:45] <OGDA> nothing
[07:46] <OGDA> oh come one, it works on my desktop
[07:47] <Jester45> becuase on the desktop the power button is probly controlling the BIOS
[07:47] <OGDA> pity
[07:49] <snyft> hm you have to install xubuntu from textmode?
[07:49] <snyft> no ubuntu style as in loading cd and then install it from cd while surfing or whatever
[07:50] <Pumpernickel> If you just press it, it generates an ACPI event.  Holding it down for awhile might force it to shutdown.
[07:50] <Pumpernickel> snyft: Both are available, as they are with Ubuntu.
[07:51] <snyft> damn then it must be that alternate install i downloaded
[07:51] <snyft> can you burn xubuntu to a dvd?
[07:52] <BFTD> snyft yes
[07:52] <BFTD> Pumpernickel I know that
[07:52] <BFTD> but I always liked turnign my system off via the power button
[07:52] <BFTD> it just saved me time
[08:29] <hyper_ch> !bug 1
[08:29] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[08:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[08:29] <Merchelo> yes?
[08:30] <hyper_ch> Merchelo: yes?
[08:41] <aabrahao> hi, how can I change permission in all directory, subdirectory and files
[08:41] <aabrahao> ?
[08:41] <ctgPi> aabrahao: chmod -R ...
[08:43] <zutme> So I'm trying to install xubuntu on my laptop and it can't detect my wireless card. It says I may need to load a specail module and to do it I have to go back to the network hardware detection step. But if I go back to that step theres no option given to me regarding loading additional modules. I'm using the alternate installer cd version 7.04
[08:43] <hyper_ch> zutme: what wifi card have you got?
[08:43] <hyper_ch> zutme: do you have the desktop cd running?
[08:44] <zutme> well the chipset is rtl8180 which i hear ubuntu supports
[08:44] <zutme> the actual card is a netgear ma521
[08:44] <hyper_ch> !wifi | zutme
[08:44] <ubotu> zutme: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:44] <hyper_ch> zutme: you can check there whether it's supported
[08:44] <hyper_ch> zutme: if not, you may want to search www.ubuntuforums.org --> maybe there's a howto on how to get it working
[08:45] <Jester45> can i have html import a .txt file so that i can update all my html just by changing the .txt file
[08:45] <zutme> it says its been supported since edgy
[08:45] <hyper_ch> Jester45: does your server support php?
[08:45] <Jester45> yes
[08:45] <hyper_ch> zutme: and it does not run with the desktop cd?
[08:45] <hyper_ch> then you can make a simple include call
[08:45] <hyper_ch> zutme: rename the .html file to .php
[08:46] <zutme> hyper_ch, im using the alternate disk cause the laptop is a tad slow
[08:46] <hyper_ch> and where you want to have the text content included do:   <?php include('text.txt'); ?>
[08:46] <Jester45> hyper_ch: was that last line for me?
[08:46] <Jester45> thats what i was looking for
[08:46] <hyper_ch> zutme: well, if it is said that it's supported it should be running out of the box
[08:46] <hyper_ch> Jester45: yes, that renaming was for you
[08:46] <Jester45> just add that and rename it
[08:46] <zutme> hyper_ch, even on the alternate?
[08:47] <Jester45> thank you so much you saved me much editing time
[08:47] <hyper_ch> Jester45: yes... or you can tell apache that .html files shall be parsed as .php
[08:47] <hyper_ch> Jester45: with includes you can also make commno layouts and stuff
[08:47] <Jester45> well i got css
[08:47] <hyper_ch> Jester45: include a header file and footer file which contains all the site layout :)
[08:48] <hyper_ch> zutme: during the install there's a wifi detector
[08:48] <hyper_ch> zutme: it should recognize your card... just make sure the ethernet card isn't plugged in so that the wifi connection is really configured
[08:48] <hyper_ch> Jester45: well, includes don't hinder css :)
[08:48] <hyper_ch> but the thegeneral layout can be put into an include file
[08:52] <hyper_ch> Jester45: I meant something like that:  http://phpfi.com/238896
[08:52] <hyper_ch> Jester45: you see in the heater and footer file you have the basic layout of the site...
[08:53] <Jester45> ok
[08:54] <hyper_ch> so you can still use CSS :) but you have the layout of your page in two files...
[08:54] <hyper_ch> Jester45: this is still basic but a first step to real templating ;)
[08:56] <Jester45> ok
[08:56] <hyper_ch> Jester45: php is great ;)
[08:58] <Jester45> see i was lloking for a equalent of bash's $somevar
[08:58] <Jester45> and i found it
[08:58] <hyper_ch> well, php is far more than just includes... for that you could have SSI
[09:02] <snyft> ok i was wondering how to do this. i want to run a ftp-server on my server with glftpd and i want to share some folders that i have on my other main windows comp. is it only to share them on the network and then add them to glftpd or how do i do?
[09:02] <ochosi> hi, on booting feisty i receive the error "ata1.00: SET of native returned 0, expected"; everything seems to be ok, but what does this error mean? (couldn't find an answer in the ubuntuforums)
[09:03] <Jester45> !samba| snyft
[09:03] <ubotu> snyft: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[09:04] <snyft> thanks
[09:06] <Jester45> hyper_ch: could you look at this http://vidd.homelinux.net:8080/jester/ and tell me why on the right side the text doesnt wrap Hello starts the include
[09:07] <Jester45> the css is at http://vidd.homelinux.net:8080/jester/style.css
[09:07] <Zvezdichko`away> what the hell is going on here
[09:09] <hyper_ch> Jester45: well, it's a long word that hello........ that will not be wrapped
[09:09] <Jester45> is that the only reason?
[09:09] <Jester45> stupid me
[09:09] <hyper_ch> Jester45: I guess so
[09:10] <Jester45> yep that was it
[09:10] <Jester45> thanks i would of spent a while on that
[09:21] <Zvezdichko`away> lol
[09:26] <Jester45> how do i change swapiness?
[09:28] <hyper_ch> the what?
[09:56] <Eagle_101> Does anyone know where synaptic installs Kompare by default? (the file path of it)
[09:57] <Jester45> find the package in synaptic and right click then goto properties then go to the files tab
[10:01] <Eagle_101> ok thanks
[10:01] <Jester45> anyone here played spring?
[10:17] <BFTD> hi all
[10:17] <BFTD> oh and thanks all for your help earlier
[10:26] <BFTD> how can I "print to PDF"?
[10:54] <DaBeowulf> Hello, I bet Xubuntu can make better use of my 1GB Ram and maybe even my shoddy GF FX 5200 than Win98SE can.
[10:55] <DaBeowulf> I booted from the DapperDrake AMD64 Desktop CD, and hoped to get to access the files on my HDD but I had no luck so far.
[10:57] <Merchelo> !samba | DaBeowulf
[10:57] <ubotu> DaBeowulf: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[10:58] <DaBeowulf> So the disks app under 'system' won't do the trick?
[10:58] <DaBeowulf> And thanks for the reply.
[10:58] <Merchelo> wait, i'm wrong, samba is to do with sharing windows files over a network
[10:59] <bio_> Can you help me boost my volume?
[11:00] <bio_> the control in the panel is top
[11:00] <bio_> the speakers are all the way up
[11:00] <bio_> the high-level software volume is top
[11:00] <BFTD> bio_ open terminal
[11:00] <bio_> yes
[11:00] <BFTD> type in "alsamixer
[11:00] <BFTD> without that quote
[11:01] <bio_> there it is
[11:01] <bio_> PCM
[11:01] <bio_> sweet
[11:02] <bio_> BFTD, thanks, that is exactly what I was looking for!
[11:03] <DaBeowulf> can xfmedia play streams from the get-go?
[11:03] <BFTD> no problem
[11:04] <bio_> goodnight, and may I offer a happy Ron Paul '08 to you!
[11:09] <Merchelo> DaBeowulf: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[11:10] <BFTD> who's Ron Paul?
[11:14] <DaBeowulf> Whee, thanks.
[11:15] <DaBeowulf> And why can't I update the 'locate' database? It says I lack the rights, I wasn't asked for any login when I booted anyway.
[11:17] <Merchelo> what command were you running?
[11:20] <DaBeowulf> updatedb I think
[11:22] <DaBeowulf> I also can't run banner or fortune, the two games under usr/games
[11:24] <DaBeowulf> I had no luck getting xfmedia to play a stream from http://www.slayradio.org so far.
[11:25] <Pumpernickel> You're trying to update the slocate db, which is stored on a read-only filesystem?
[11:25] <Pumpernickel> That sounds a bit counter-intuitive.
[11:25] <DaBeowulf> \o/ My HD is accessable, thank you Merchelo!
[11:27] <Merchelo> NP
[11:28] <DaBeowulf> Also it doesn't appear to play MP3s? :S
[11:28] <Pumpernickel> Licensing problem; the codec isn't installed by default.
[11:29] <DaBeowulf> I see.
[11:29] <DaBeowulf> Damn should have encoded to ogg more. >_<
[11:30] <DaBeowulf> What about aacPlus?
[11:31] <DaBeowulf> But neither Banner nor Fortune running is strange, I mean why are they supplied with the CD then?
[11:34] <BFTD> the download manager on FF3 sucks
[11:34] <DaBeowulf> Oh, okay Pumpernickel, how to store the updated DB elsewhere then and make locate use it?
[11:35] <DaBeowulf> And Counter-Intuitive is my second name.
[11:35] <BFTD> is it?
[11:35] <DaBeowulf> Oh I don't get the ASCII chars with Alt + Numpad :|
[11:38] <Catoptromancy_> ak
[11:38] <Catoptromancy_> some reason moving a file aroung my FAT32 partition doesnt move the file
[11:38] <Catoptromancy_> it just copies it
[11:39] <Catoptromancy_> it acts like 2 folders on the same partition are seperate drives
[11:40] <snyft> ok so i got this error after installing xubuntu. i disabled the harddrive to boot from so i could boot up the xubuntu install cd. then when it finished i added it again. and now i get "error cant find operating system" but if i boot with the cd and choose boot from first hd i get to grub and can choose
[11:40] <snyft> any ideas?
[12:04] <BFTD> configure: error: QTDIR environment variable must be set
[12:04] <BFTD> dang, how do I fix that?
[12:05] <rijo> Hello. I just installed xubuntu on my laptop. But when I boot into xubuntu, the network doesnt work (altho i think it did in the installation). The sttings looks alright.. Just got dhcp behind a odinary broadband router.. What could be wron?
[12:07] <snyft> i hade the same error
[12:08] <snyft> i forgot to plug in the cable in the router :p
[12:09] <T`> anyone here know if it would matter if you had a fx5200 nvidia card or a $600 vid card if you are only using it for your desktop in 2d mode with twinview?
[12:09] <rijo> when i run ifconfig i get both "eth0" and "eth0:avah" .. what is avah?
[12:10] <T`> rijo, avahi is some new type of protocol they added
[12:10] <T`> i think you can talk to other computers in your subnet just like windows network sharing
[12:11] <rijo> shoudnt my ip adress be after eth0? i dont see an ip anywhere :S
[12:12] <T`> it should be if you ar eusing eth0
[12:12] <rijo> im supposed to. IS there any reconfigure utility i can run?
[12:13] <TheSheep> rijo: system->network
[12:13] <rijo> TheSheep, cant do much there
[12:14] <TheSheep> rijo: sudo /etc/init.d/network restart
[12:15] <rijo> says No DHCPOFFERS received
[12:15] <rijo> what that mean
[12:17] <StOoOo> hey guys, is there a Flash Player 9 plugin for PPC?
[12:22] <Merchelo> rijo: wifi or connected to it
[12:23] <TheSheep> rijo: this means that there is a dhcp server in your network that responds to "give me an ip address" requestst with "go away, you won't get anythning"
[12:24] <TheSheep> StOoOo: I think not
[12:25] <rijo> TheSheep, oh lol. But what can i do bout it. Works from my desktop ubuntu machine. so why not on xubuntu?