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| Riddell | hi jander99! | 12:22 |
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| jander99 | Good evening again. | 12:22 |
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| Riddell | jander99: are you dist upgrading or installing from CD? | 12:24 |
| jander99 | dist-upgraded from Feisty to Gutsy. | 12:26 |
| jander99 | Actually a fresh install of Feisty, and just edited sources.list to gutsy | 12:27 |
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| Riddell | I'm off to bed, let me know what problems you have and I'll see it in the morning | 12:31 |
| jander99 | Good night Riddell | 12:36 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: yep, that's the place, I got it from KDE look, but it looks the same, and screenies are identical | 12:52 |
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| jander99 | Good evening kubuntu-devel | 05:46 |
| jander99 | I'm working on a bug to put into launchpad, I was wondering if anyone was familiar or has worked on the file /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc | 05:48 |
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| fdoving | searching in systemsettings is broken. searching for 'app' matches About Me, Accessibility, Default Applications, Appearance and Windows Applications. Why does About Me and Accessibility match? | 10:34 |
| fdoving | if i search for 'appear' nothing matches. not even 'Appearance' | 10:35 |
| fdoving | searching for 'window' doesn't match 'window behavior' | 10:35 |
| fdoving | but 'sharing' matches. | 10:35 |
| fdoving | this is useless. | 10:35 |
| fdoving | apparently systemsettings doesn't display the correctly translated names. | 10:37 |
| fdoving | but it manages to search the translations. | 10:37 |
| fdoving | so i search for norwegian names, but english ones are displayed. | 10:37 |
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| mhb | fdoving: hmm, so the system is in english, but you have to search in norwegian? | 11:16 |
| fdoving | mhb: the system is setup to use the english locale, for text in the console etc. kde is set to use norwegian. some of the text in system-settings is english, some norwegian. | 11:19 |
| fdoving | mhb: one of the examples is 'appearance' it's not translated in system settings. | 11:20 |
| fdoving | searching for 'appear' doesn't match 'appearance' | 11:20 |
| fdoving | but searching for the norwegian 'utseende' which translates to 'appearance' matches 'appearance' | 11:20 |
| fdoving | so, it's obviously trnaslated somewhere. | 11:21 |
| fdoving | just not displayed properly. | 11:21 |
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| fdoving | mhb: the same is actually true in the english version. searching for "appe" doesn't match "appearance" - but now 'utseende' doesn't work.. | 11:26 |
| fdoving | searching for 'ut' matches appearance, about me, regional & language, accessibility, window behavior, login manager and session manager. | 11:26 |
| fdoving | the magic search. | 11:27 |
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| mhb | fdoving: I see, the search is kind of "messed up" | 12:50 |
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| Hobbsee | hey all | 02:06 |
| Riddell | morning | 02:07 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 02:07 |
| Hobbsee | there are people! | 02:07 |
| Hobbsee | there are even europeans! | 02:07 |
| RadiantFire | lol | 02:09 |
| Hobbsee | it's been really quiet this weekend... | 02:09 |
| Hobbsee | maybe it's in contrast from the hecticness of friday...but it still seems quieter than usual | 02:09 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: do you think you'll have all your merges done by freeze on tuesday morning? | 02:10 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: main or universe? | 02:10 |
| Riddell | universe | 02:10 |
| Hobbsee | and does that include manual? | 02:10 |
| Riddell | so not too important I suppose | 02:10 |
| Hobbsee | we've got a merge freeze on tues morning? | 02:10 |
| Hobbsee | all that's outstanding is kguitar, iirc | 02:10 |
| Riddell | syslog-summary and kguitar | 02:10 |
| Hobbsee | that i'm going to merge, that is | 02:11 |
| ryanakca | hey Hobbsee | 02:11 |
| Hobbsee | oh, damned sword. | 02:11 |
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| Hobbsee | that too | 02:11 |
| Riddell | sword is in Updated Merges, it can be ignored | 02:12 |
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| Hobbsee | Riddell: kguitar doesnt look like too much difference - since edgy, i've been hoping that upstream will release a new version. | 02:14 |
| Hobbsee | where we can sync | 02:14 |
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| mhb | hi Hobbsee, Riddell, RadiantFire, ryanakca and all the others :o) | 02:29 |
| RadiantFire | hi mhb | 02:29 |
| Hobbsee | hiya mhb! | 02:29 |
| mhb | RadiantFire: you might want to take a look at kdesudo | 02:30 |
| === ryanakca waves to mhb | ||
| mhb | RadiantFire: Tonio (who's not here atm) is hacking a better KDE frontend to sudo than kdesu is, and I've ported your patch to it | 02:31 |
| RadiantFire | thats exciting | 02:31 |
| mhb | RadiantFire: so I hope you're not angry at me for porting it :o) | 02:31 |
| RadiantFire | no, thats silly | 02:32 |
| mhb | RadiantFire: heh :o) just to be sure | 02:32 |
| mhb | RadiantFire: we already implemented one feature that *might* be cool for kdesu, too - you might take a look at that | 02:32 |
| Hobbsee | what i want to know is if it's planned to be included in kde4 | 02:33 |
| RadiantFire | you gonna tell me what it is? :-P | 02:34 |
| mhb | RadiantFire: sure | 02:34 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: kde4 as in? | 02:35 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: KDE SVN when it hits the KDE4 release? | 02:35 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, i think so | 02:35 |
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| mhb | Hobbsee: I don't think so | 02:39 |
| Hobbsee | pity | 02:39 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: you have to ask Tonio, though | 02:40 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: I'm just helping out a bit | 02:40 |
| Hobbsee | yeah | 02:40 |
| mhb | RadiantFire: we check if the application to be run does have a .desktop file and if it does, we display its' whole name | 02:40 |
| mhb | RadiantFire: so you see like "Kate - Advanced Text Editor" instead of "kate" | 02:40 |
| mhb | RadiantFire: we also check for its' icon that way | 02:41 |
| RadiantFire | well that is superior | 02:41 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: the thing is, kdesudo is a better "sudo" frontend than "kdesu" is | 02:42 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: exactly | 02:42 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: if I were Tonio, I'd write a separate backend/frontend stuff, so those two could share its' GUIs | 02:43 |
| RadiantFire | that wuld be useful | 02:43 |
| RadiantFire | all the backend is in the kdesud I think | 02:43 |
| === Hobbsee nods | ||
| RadiantFire | I can't remember | 02:43 |
| mhb | RadiantFire: true, but I don't have the manpower to do that | 02:43 |
| RadiantFire | well I'd gladlyh elp | 02:44 |
| mhb | RadiantFire: you have a LP account? | 02:45 |
| RadiantFire | yes | 02:45 |
| Hobbsee | you know, there was only 1 hand at UDS for who didnt have a LP account | 02:45 |
| Hobbsee | iirc | 02:45 |
| mhb | RadiantFire: found it | 02:45 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: really? :o) | 02:46 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: nice | 02:46 |
| Hobbsee | think so | 02:46 |
| mhb | RadiantFire: do you happen to know if kdesu is ported to kde4? | 02:47 |
| mhb | already | 02:47 |
| RadiantFire | mhb: no I do not | 02:47 |
| RadiantFire | why does the sourceforge project page say the latest kdesudo release is april 29, 2003? | 02:47 |
| mhb | RadiantFire: it was abandoned | 02:48 |
| mhb | RadiantFire: around that time | 02:48 |
| RadiantFire | ah | 02:48 |
| mhb | RadiantFire: Tonio picked it up recently | 02:48 |
| mhb | RadiantFire: launchad.net/kdesudo I think | 02:48 |
| mhb | launchpad.net/kdesudo | 02:48 |
| RadiantFire | found it, actually ~kubuntu-kdesu | 02:48 |
| RadiantFire | want me toj oin that team? | 02:48 |
| mhb | RadiantFire: sure | 02:53 |
| mhb | RadiantFire: I'll talk to Tonio about approving you once he's online | 02:54 |
| RadiantFire | ok | 02:54 |
| mhb | RadiantFire: the hard work will be porting the backend to kdesudo | 02:57 |
| mhb | RadiantFire: kdesu | 02:57 |
| RadiantFire | yes | 02:57 |
| RadiantFire | well, I guess I should probably familiarize myself witht he rest of the code | 02:58 |
| mhb | RadiantFire: that would be great :o) | 03:00 |
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| ryanakca | Riddell: should I bother packaging the sysinfo:/ kioslave for gutsy? | 05:07 |
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| Riddell | ryanakca: sure, if it's not too hard | 07:11 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: okies | 07:11 |
| ryanakca | it's worth a try | 07:11 |
| ryanakca | Should I base myself on upstream's package, or start from scratch? | 07:12 |
| nixternal | ryanakca: it is going to get that Kubuntu touch artwise right? | 07:12 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: the sysinfo:/ | 07:12 |
| ryanakca | ? | 07:12 |
| nixternal | I was playing around tweaking the one on kde-apps...it would be better if the code would parse an html file or xml file instead of having to edit the code and patching it | 07:13 |
| nixternal | ryanakca: yes | 07:13 |
| Riddell | nixternal: I doubt we'll put it in main | 07:14 |
| Riddell | I think an ioslave is not the right place for most of that information | 07:14 |
| nixternal | where do you think the right place would be? | 07:14 |
| Riddell | sysinfo is mostly about finding a quick fix to the questions that happened to be in novell's usability study | 07:14 |
| nixternal | it is a cool "frontpage" to Konqui w/o a doubt | 07:14 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: http://www.kde-apps.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/58704-1.jpg ... | 07:15 |
| nixternal | ahhh | 07:15 |
| Riddell | nixternal: dolphin has a sidebar that much of it could go in | 07:15 |
| nixternal | Riddell: for KDE 4 or the current dolphin for kde3? | 07:15 |
| ryanakca | if someone wants to theme it, I can't see why not, but that's the default look | 07:15 |
| Riddell | can't remember how much of a sidebar kde 3's dolphin has | 07:16 |
| nixternal | not much | 07:16 |
| nixternal | hehe, that is why I asked | 07:16 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: it's not using crystal? | 07:16 |
| nixternal | ryanakca: I have messed with a little code that would prop the correct image for the CPU as well, just need to find a cool Intel cpu thing | 07:16 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: it would be cool to add a link to it in konqueror's home page, but oh well | 07:16 |
| nixternal | seeing as I have an Intel CPU, the AMD image doesn't fit :) | 07:16 |
| nixternal | ryanakca: that would be cool, but that is up to the MAN! | 07:17 |
| nixternal | ;p | 07:17 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: umm, I think that the icons change with the system's iconset, not sure | 07:17 |
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| nixternal | ryanakca: they don't | 07:17 |
| nixternal | those images are hardcoded | 07:17 |
| ryanakca | drats | 07:17 |
| nixternal | because the same images you have in sysinfo are the same ones I have | 07:17 |
| nixternal | which icon theme btw are you using? | 07:18 |
| nixternal | ya, I have those same icons as you do and I am using Oxygen | 07:18 |
| === ryanakca is using the default feisty theme... which uses? | ||
| nixternal | crystal I think | 07:20 |
| nixternal | or whatever it is called | 07:20 |
| nixternal | hrmm..the sysinfo I have I believe shows the speed for each core | 07:20 |
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| nixternal | but I thought I seen the code or at least a screen shot showing it | 07:21 |
| ryanakca | ah | 07:21 |
| ryanakca | hmmm. does pbuilder leaving suid apps laying around in /var/cache/pbuilder/build/ pose a security risk? | 07:23 |
| nixternal | don't see why it would...clean out build | 07:24 |
| nixternal | kde-config is provided by which package? kdelibs-dev? | 07:25 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: kdelibs4c2a , or kdelibs-dbg | 07:26 |
| nixternal | rock on, thanks | 07:27 |
| ryanakca | np | 07:27 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: for sysinfo:/ , same thing as for the rest, get it on debian and then sync? | 07:28 |
| nixternal | you can give it a shot, but that is what I have been "trying" to do | 07:28 |
| ryanakca | yeah | 07:28 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: man-di said he'd review and hopefully upload aoeui for me tomorow, and then ubuntu should automatically sync it, since it doesn't have a version in ubuntu? | 07:30 |
| nixternal | you will have to request the sync, that that is easy...good deal though | 07:30 |
| ryanakca | ok, request on LP? | 07:32 |
| nixternal | yup | 07:32 |
| ryanakca | kk | 07:36 |
| ryanakca | hmmm. What do I call it, since sysinfo is allready taken? kio-sysinfo ? | 07:40 |
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| yuriy | looks like that's what kio packages are called | 07:41 |
| ryanakca | ok | 07:42 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: shucks, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=370546 ... 362 days in the making. no update. Do I file a new ITP, and package it, or add to the changelog that it closes 370546? | 07:49 |
| ubotu | Debian bug 370546 in wnpp "ITP: kio-sysinfo -- kio slave displaying various system informations" [Wishlist,Open] | 07:49 |
| ScottK | ryanakca: I'd e-mail the person that filed the ITP and ask them what their intent is. | 07:52 |
| ryanakca | ScottK: ok | 07:55 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: apachelogger has a kubuntu version of it, by the looks of it | 07:56 |
| apachelogger | https://code.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/kio-sysinfo/ubuntu | 07:57 |
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| ryanakca | ah :) | 07:58 |
| fdoving | ryanakca, nixternal, isn't kio-sysinfo one of those things that might need kubuntuspecific changes anyway? - putting it directly in kubuntu should be fine if that is true. | 08:00 |
| ryanakca | ok | 08:01 |
| nixternal | fdoving: not kubuntu specific except for maybe artwork | 08:01 |
| fdoving | nixternal: exactly, which will be a change to the package. and therefor a sync from debian won't be enough. | 08:01 |
| nixternal | hrmm, that is true | 08:01 |
| fdoving | nixternal: will be easy to put it both places, but a sync won't work. | 08:01 |
| nixternal | so maybe naming it kubuntu-sysinfo? | 08:02 |
| nixternal | and I am sure Debian would want to put their little spin on it as well (maybe) | 08:02 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: Kubuntu specific changes, which I think should be packaged, instead of whats on kde-app: https://code.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/kio-sysinfo/ubuntu | 08:02 |
| fdoving | well, if you want to go that way, it sure is possible to make a kio-sysinfo upload it to debian, sync and make a kio-sysinfo-kubuntu with the kubuntu specific changes, diverting the files needing changes. | 08:02 |
| fdoving | that way it will be easy to make other brandings aswell. | 08:03 |
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| nixternal | that would work as well | 08:03 |
| nixternal | ryanakca: ya, I would probably leave Debian alone on this one for now | 08:03 |
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| fdoving | ryanakca: tell me if you need someone to test :) | 08:05 |
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| ryanakca | fdoving: will do | 08:15 |
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| jjesse | nixternal: how's the weather in chi town today | 08:59 |
| jjesse | i'm flying to omaha and changing flights in ohare and don't want to rained ouot :) | 08:59 |
| nixternal | a little wet and rocky | 09:00 |
| nixternal | flights shouldn't be delayed now | 09:00 |
| Riddell | rocky? | 09:00 |
| jjesse | hmmm good, not leaving until 5:30 est | 09:00 |
| Riddell | that sounds painful | 09:00 |
| jjesse | ohare is always rocky | 09:00 |
| jjesse | stupid chicago weather :) :) | 09:00 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: hmmm... been hit by that thunderstorm yet? | 09:04 |
| jjesse | it hailed in west michaign yesterday | 09:04 |
| jjesse | it was crazy | 09:04 |
| ryanakca | ouch | 09:04 |
| Riddell | I've been to chicago, didn't see any rocks, just miles and miles of suburbia with very tall buildings clustered in the middle | 09:04 |
| Riddell | much like every other city in the US :) | 09:04 |
| ryanakca | lol | 09:04 |
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| jjesse | its rocky landing at the airport | 09:08 |
| jjesse | i've never had a smooth landing tghere | 09:09 |
| mhb | ryanakca: hehe | 09:09 |
| mhb | ryanakca: if we compare languages only on their ease to code something and availability of Qt/KDE libraries, python wins :o) | 09:10 |
| ryanakca | yeah | 09:10 |
| Riddell | ruby would disagree to that | 09:10 |
| mhb | Riddell: are rubyqt4 as good as pyqt4? | 09:12 |
| Riddell | well, the ruby qt dudes are far better integrated into the KDE community | 09:13 |
| Riddell | and ruby has kde 4 bindings already, python hasn't started on that | 09:13 |
| Riddell | and having used python I know its faults (fiddly to package, three different strings types insane) and suspect ruby doesn't have the same problems | 09:13 |
| === ryanakca thinks he'll get Accelerated C++ this summer and try to learn C++ | ||
| Riddell | of course, I've never used ruby so it doubless has problems python doesn't | 09:14 |
| jjesse | wow ryanakca you shouldn't have asked for help on #kde-devel :) :) | 09:15 |
| Riddell | learning c++ is partly about the language, partly about how to compile it and partly about the libraries you want to use with it | 09:15 |
| ryanakca | jjesse: lol | 09:16 |
| === ryanakca guesses he'll have to ask in #qt | ||
| ryanakca | Riddell: isn't compiling it simple enough? | 09:16 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: ever seen a build log from any c++ programe? | 09:17 |
| Riddell | it needs a million command line options to compile one file | 09:17 |
| mhb | it's simple if the program is a single file | 09:17 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: well... I've watched pbuilder run | 09:17 |
| mhb | and if there are no compilation options | 09:17 |
| nixternal | thunderstorms went north and south of us | 09:18 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: yeah. We were supposed to get them today, none so far | 09:18 |
| ryanakca | not even cloudy | 09:18 |
| jjesse | lots of rain all day here in west michigan | 09:18 |
| nixternal | we got a little rain so far..that's about it | 09:18 |
| ryanakca | hmm. We need a /good/ real time collaborative text editor. | 09:41 |
| ryanakca | for Linux | 09:41 |
| ryanakca | gobby is only good for plaintext, python, docbook, etc is out of the question, | 09:42 |
| ryanakca | and ACE ( http://ace.iserver.ch/index.php ) is interesting, but a pain to install. | 09:43 |
| mhb | ryanakca: we do? :o) | 09:43 |
| mhb | ryanakca: don't try to mask it - by "we you meant "I" | 09:44 |
| ryanakca | mhb: yes | 09:44 |
| mhb | :o) | 09:44 |
| ryanakca | mhb: well, I'm sure the documentation team and motu could use it for mentoring and what not :P | 09:44 |
| mhb | sure | 09:44 |
| mhb | there's always room for improvement, that's what fills most people's lives | 09:45 |
| === ryanakca thinks he'll write one up once he's released KCipher | ||
| Riddell | what does KCipher do? | 09:46 |
| _StefanS_ | evening all | 09:48 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: it's an edutainment style app. It currently has Vigenere, ROT(1-26), and pig latin implemented, and I'm working on adding the Solitaire cipher... In the future, I'm hoping to add a little glossary type window that opens, giving stats and history about the ciphers (kindof like Kalzium). | 09:49 |
| _StefanS_ | anyone know how to repeat a search and replace in vim ? | 09:50 |
| _StefanS_ | (:%s/search/replace/g) | 09:50 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: hardest part is connecting the algorithms (in encryptdecrypt.py) to kcipher_ui.py (generated from kcipher.ui) | 09:51 |
| _StefanS_ | uhm :%s seems like it | 09:52 |
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| fdoving | _StefanS_: how about :<arrow-up> ? | 10:48 |
| _StefanS_ | fdoving: donno, %s worked :D | 10:49 |
| _StefanS_ | fdoving: and I'm done with it now | 10:49 |
| _StefanS_ | fdoving: but thanks anyways | 10:49 |
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