[12:22] <Riddell> hi jander99!
[12:22] <jander99> Good evening again.
[12:24] <Riddell> jander99: are you dist upgrading or installing from CD?
[12:26] <jander99> dist-upgraded from Feisty to Gutsy.
[12:27] <jander99> Actually a fresh install of Feisty, and just edited sources.list to gutsy
[12:31] <Riddell> I'm off to bed, let me know what problems you have and I'll see it in the morning
[12:36] <jander99> Good night Riddell
[12:52] <ryanakca> Riddell: yep, that's the place, I got it from KDE look, but it looks the same, and screenies are identical
[05:46] <jander99> Good evening kubuntu-devel
[05:48] <jander99> I'm working on a bug to put into launchpad, I was wondering if anyone was familiar or has worked on the file /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc
[10:34] <fdoving> searching in systemsettings is broken. searching for 'app' matches About Me, Accessibility, Default Applications, Appearance and Windows Applications. Why does About Me and Accessibility match?
[10:35] <fdoving> if i search for 'appear' nothing matches. not even 'Appearance'
[10:35] <fdoving> searching for 'window' doesn't match 'window behavior'
[10:35] <fdoving> but 'sharing' matches.
[10:35] <fdoving> this is useless.
[10:37] <fdoving> apparently systemsettings doesn't display the correctly translated names.
[10:37] <fdoving> but it manages to search the translations.
[10:37] <fdoving> so i search for norwegian names, but english ones are displayed.
[11:16] <mhb> fdoving: hmm, so the system is in english, but you have to search in norwegian?
[11:19] <fdoving> mhb: the system is setup to use the english locale, for text in the console etc. kde is set to use norwegian. some of the text in system-settings is english, some norwegian.
[11:20] <fdoving> mhb: one of the examples is 'appearance' it's not translated in system settings.
[11:20] <fdoving> searching for 'appear' doesn't match 'appearance'
[11:20] <fdoving> but searching for the norwegian 'utseende' which translates to 'appearance' matches 'appearance'
[11:21] <fdoving> so, it's obviously trnaslated somewhere.
[11:21] <fdoving> just not displayed properly.
[11:26] <fdoving> mhb: the same is actually true in the english version. searching for "appe" doesn't match "appearance" - but now 'utseende' doesn't work..
[11:26] <fdoving> searching for 'ut' matches appearance, about me, regional & language, accessibility, window behavior, login manager and session manager.
[11:27] <fdoving> the magic search.
[12:50] <mhb> fdoving: I see, the search is kind of "messed up"
[02:06] <Hobbsee> hey all
[02:07] <Riddell> morning
[02:07] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:07] <Hobbsee> there are people!
[02:07] <Hobbsee> there are even europeans!
[02:09] <RadiantFire> lol
[02:09] <Hobbsee> it's been really quiet this weekend...
[02:09] <Hobbsee> maybe it's in contrast from the hecticness of friday...but it still seems quieter than usual
[02:10] <Riddell> Hobbsee: do you think you'll have all your merges done by freeze on tuesday morning?
[02:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: main or universe?
[02:10] <Riddell> universe
[02:10] <Hobbsee> and does that include manual?
[02:10] <Riddell> so not too important I suppose
[02:10] <Hobbsee> we've got a merge freeze on tues morning?
[02:10] <Hobbsee> all that's outstanding is kguitar, iirc
[02:10] <Riddell> syslog-summary and kguitar
[02:11] <Hobbsee> that i'm going to merge, that is
[02:11] <ryanakca> hey Hobbsee
[02:11] <Hobbsee> oh, damned sword.
[02:11] <Hobbsee> that too
[02:12] <Riddell> sword is in Updated Merges, it can be ignored
[02:14] <Hobbsee> Riddell: kguitar doesnt look like too much difference - since edgy, i've been hoping that upstream will release a new version.
[02:14] <Hobbsee> where we can sync
[02:29] <mhb> hi Hobbsee, Riddell, RadiantFire, ryanakca and all the others :o)
[02:29] <RadiantFire> hi mhb
[02:29] <Hobbsee> hiya mhb!
[02:30] <mhb> RadiantFire: you might want to take a look at kdesudo
[02:31] <mhb> RadiantFire: Tonio (who's not here atm) is hacking a better KDE frontend to sudo than kdesu is, and I've ported your patch to it
[02:31] <RadiantFire> thats exciting
[02:31] <mhb> RadiantFire: so I hope you're not angry at me for porting it :o)
[02:32] <RadiantFire> no, thats silly
[02:32] <mhb> RadiantFire: heh :o) just to be sure
[02:32] <mhb> RadiantFire: we already implemented one feature that *might* be cool for kdesu, too - you might take a look at that
[02:33] <Hobbsee> what i want to know is if it's planned to be included in kde4
[02:34] <RadiantFire> you gonna tell me what it is? :-P
[02:34] <mhb> RadiantFire: sure
[02:35] <mhb> Hobbsee: kde4 as in?
[02:35] <mhb> Hobbsee: KDE SVN when it hits the KDE4 release?
[02:35] <Hobbsee> yeah, i think so
[02:39] <mhb> Hobbsee: I don't think so
[02:39] <Hobbsee> pity
[02:40] <mhb> Hobbsee: you have to ask Tonio, though
[02:40] <mhb> Hobbsee: I'm just helping out a bit
[02:40] <Hobbsee> yeah
[02:40] <mhb> RadiantFire: we check if the application to be run does have a .desktop file and if it does, we display its' whole name
[02:40] <mhb> RadiantFire: so you see like "Kate - Advanced Text Editor" instead of "kate"
[02:41] <mhb> RadiantFire: we also check for its' icon that way
[02:41] <RadiantFire> well that is superior
[02:42] <mhb> Hobbsee: the thing is, kdesudo is a better "sudo" frontend than "kdesu" is
[02:42] <Hobbsee> mhb: exactly
[02:43] <mhb> Hobbsee: if I were Tonio, I'd write a separate backend/frontend stuff, so those two could share its' GUIs
[02:43] <RadiantFire> that wuld be useful
[02:43] <RadiantFire> all the backend is in the kdesud I think
[02:43] <RadiantFire> I can't remember
[02:43] <mhb> RadiantFire: true, but I don't have the manpower to do that
[02:44] <RadiantFire> well I'd gladlyh elp
[02:45] <mhb> RadiantFire: you have a LP account?
[02:45] <RadiantFire> yes
[02:45] <Hobbsee> you know, there was only 1 hand at UDS for who didnt have a LP account
[02:45] <Hobbsee> iirc
[02:45] <mhb> RadiantFire: found it
[02:46] <mhb> Hobbsee: really? :o)
[02:46] <mhb> Hobbsee: nice
[02:46] <Hobbsee> think so
[02:47] <mhb> RadiantFire: do you happen to know if kdesu is ported to kde4?
[02:47] <mhb> already
[02:47] <RadiantFire> mhb: no I do not
[02:47] <RadiantFire> why does the sourceforge project page say the latest kdesudo release is april 29, 2003?
[02:48] <mhb> RadiantFire: it was abandoned
[02:48] <mhb> RadiantFire: around that time
[02:48] <RadiantFire> ah
[02:48] <mhb> RadiantFire: Tonio picked it up recently
[02:48] <mhb> RadiantFire: launchad.net/kdesudo I think
[02:48] <mhb> launchpad.net/kdesudo
[02:48] <RadiantFire> found it, actually ~kubuntu-kdesu
[02:48] <RadiantFire> want me toj oin that team?
[02:53] <mhb> RadiantFire: sure
[02:54] <mhb> RadiantFire: I'll talk to Tonio about approving you once he's online
[02:54] <RadiantFire> ok
[02:57] <mhb> RadiantFire: the hard work will be porting the backend to kdesudo
[02:57] <mhb> RadiantFire: kdesu
[02:57] <RadiantFire> yes
[02:58] <RadiantFire> well,  I guess I should probably familiarize myself witht he rest of the code
[03:00] <mhb> RadiantFire: that would be great :o)
[05:07] <ryanakca> Riddell: should I bother packaging the sysinfo:/ kioslave for gutsy?
[07:11] <Riddell> ryanakca: sure, if it's not too hard
[07:11] <ryanakca> Riddell: okies
[07:11] <ryanakca> it's worth a try
[07:12] <ryanakca> Should I base myself on upstream's package, or start from scratch?
[07:12] <nixternal> ryanakca: it is going to get that Kubuntu touch artwise right?
[07:12] <ryanakca> nixternal: the sysinfo:/
[07:12] <ryanakca> ?
[07:13] <nixternal> I was playing around tweaking the one on kde-apps...it would be better if the code would parse an html file or xml file instead of having to edit the code and patching it
[07:13] <nixternal> ryanakca: yes
[07:14] <Riddell> nixternal: I doubt we'll put it in main
[07:14] <Riddell> I think an ioslave is not the right place for most of that information
[07:14] <nixternal> where do you think the right place would be?
[07:14] <Riddell> sysinfo is mostly about finding a quick fix to the questions that happened to be in novell's usability study
[07:14] <nixternal> it is a cool "frontpage" to Konqui w/o a doubt
[07:15] <ryanakca> nixternal: http://www.kde-apps.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/58704-1.jpg ...
[07:15] <nixternal> ahhh
[07:15] <Riddell> nixternal: dolphin has a sidebar that much of it could go in
[07:15] <nixternal> Riddell: for KDE 4 or the current dolphin for kde3?
[07:15] <ryanakca> if someone wants to theme it, I can't see why not, but that's the default look
[07:16] <Riddell> can't remember how much of a sidebar kde 3's dolphin has
[07:16] <nixternal> not much
[07:16] <nixternal> hehe, that is why I asked
[07:16] <Riddell> ryanakca: it's not using crystal?
[07:16] <nixternal> ryanakca: I have messed with a little code that would prop the correct image for the CPU as well, just need to find a cool Intel cpu thing
[07:16] <ryanakca> nixternal: it would be cool to add a link to it in konqueror's home page, but oh well
[07:16] <nixternal> seeing as I have an Intel CPU, the AMD image doesn't fit :)
[07:17] <nixternal> ryanakca: that would be cool, but that is up to the MAN!
[07:17] <nixternal> ;p
[07:17] <ryanakca> Riddell: umm, I think that the icons change with the system's iconset, not sure
[07:17] <nixternal> ryanakca: they don't
[07:17] <nixternal> those images are hardcoded
[07:17] <ryanakca> drats
[07:17] <nixternal> because the same images you have in sysinfo are the same ones I have
[07:18] <nixternal> which icon theme btw are you using?
[07:18] <nixternal> ya, I have those same icons as you do and I am using Oxygen
[07:20] <nixternal> crystal I think
[07:20] <nixternal> or whatever it is called
[07:20] <nixternal> hrmm..the sysinfo I have I believe shows the speed for each core
[07:21] <nixternal> but I thought I seen the code or at least a screen shot showing it
[07:21] <ryanakca> ah
[07:23] <ryanakca> hmmm. does pbuilder leaving suid apps laying around in /var/cache/pbuilder/build/ pose a security risk?
[07:24] <nixternal> don't see why it would...clean out build
[07:25] <nixternal> kde-config is provided by which package? kdelibs-dev?
[07:26] <ryanakca> nixternal: kdelibs4c2a , or kdelibs-dbg
[07:27] <nixternal> rock on, thanks
[07:27] <ryanakca> np
[07:28] <ryanakca> nixternal: for sysinfo:/ , same thing as for the rest, get it on debian and then sync?
[07:28] <nixternal> you can give it a shot, but that is what I have been "trying" to do
[07:28] <ryanakca> yeah
[07:30] <ryanakca> nixternal: man-di said he'd review and hopefully upload aoeui for me tomorow, and then ubuntu should automatically sync it, since it doesn't have a version in ubuntu?
[07:30] <nixternal> you will have to request the sync, that that is easy...good deal though
[07:32] <ryanakca> ok, request on LP?
[07:32] <nixternal> yup
[07:36] <ryanakca> kk
[07:40] <ryanakca> hmmm. What do I call it, since sysinfo is allready taken? kio-sysinfo ?
[07:41] <yuriy> looks like that's what kio packages are called
[07:42] <ryanakca> ok
[07:49] <ryanakca> nixternal: shucks, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=370546 ... 362 days in the making. no update. Do I file a new ITP, and package it, or add to the changelog that it closes 370546?
[07:49] <ubotu> Debian bug 370546 in wnpp "ITP: kio-sysinfo -- kio slave displaying various system informations" [Wishlist,Open] 
[07:52] <ScottK> ryanakca: I'd e-mail the person that filed the ITP and ask them what their intent is.
[07:55] <ryanakca> ScottK: ok
[07:56] <ryanakca> nixternal: apachelogger has a kubuntu version of it, by the looks of it
[07:57] <apachelogger> https://code.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/kio-sysinfo/ubuntu
[07:58] <ryanakca> ah :)
[08:00] <fdoving> ryanakca, nixternal, isn't kio-sysinfo one of those things that might need kubuntuspecific changes anyway? - putting it directly in kubuntu should be fine if that is true.
[08:01] <ryanakca> ok
[08:01] <nixternal> fdoving: not kubuntu specific except for maybe artwork
[08:01] <fdoving> nixternal: exactly, which will be a change to the package. and therefor a sync from debian won't be enough.
[08:01] <nixternal> hrmm, that is true
[08:01] <fdoving> nixternal: will be easy to put it both places, but a sync won't work.
[08:02] <nixternal> so maybe naming it kubuntu-sysinfo?
[08:02] <nixternal> and I am sure Debian would want to put their little spin on it as well (maybe)
[08:02] <ryanakca> nixternal: Kubuntu specific changes, which I think should be packaged, instead of whats on kde-app: https://code.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/kio-sysinfo/ubuntu
[08:02] <fdoving> well, if you want to go that way, it sure is possible to make a kio-sysinfo upload it to debian, sync and make a kio-sysinfo-kubuntu with the kubuntu specific changes, diverting the files needing changes.
[08:03] <fdoving> that way it will be easy to make other brandings aswell.
[08:03] <nixternal> that would work as well
[08:03] <nixternal> ryanakca: ya, I would probably leave Debian alone on this one for now
[08:05] <fdoving> ryanakca: tell me if you need someone to test :)
[08:15] <ryanakca> fdoving: will do
[08:59] <jjesse> nixternal: how's the weather in chi town today
[08:59] <jjesse> i'm flying to omaha and changing flights in ohare and don't want to rained ouot :)
[09:00] <nixternal> a little wet and rocky
[09:00] <nixternal> flights shouldn't be delayed now
[09:00] <Riddell> rocky?
[09:00] <jjesse> hmmm good, not leaving until 5:30 est
[09:00] <Riddell> that sounds painful
[09:00] <jjesse> ohare is always rocky
[09:00] <jjesse> stupid chicago weather :) :)
[09:04] <ryanakca> nixternal: hmmm... been hit by that thunderstorm yet?
[09:04] <jjesse> it hailed in west michaign yesterday
[09:04] <jjesse> it was crazy
[09:04] <ryanakca> ouch
[09:04] <Riddell> I've been to chicago, didn't see any rocks, just miles and miles of suburbia with very tall buildings clustered in the middle
[09:04] <Riddell> much like every other city in the US :)
[09:04] <ryanakca> lol
[09:08] <jjesse> its rocky landing at the airport
[09:09] <jjesse> i've never had a smooth landing tghere
[09:09] <mhb> ryanakca: hehe
[09:10] <mhb> ryanakca: if we compare languages only on their ease to code something and availability of Qt/KDE libraries, python wins :o)
[09:10] <ryanakca> yeah
[09:10] <Riddell> ruby would disagree to that
[09:12] <mhb> Riddell: are rubyqt4 as good as pyqt4?
[09:13] <Riddell> well, the ruby qt dudes are far better integrated into the KDE community
[09:13] <Riddell> and ruby has kde 4 bindings already, python hasn't started on that
[09:13] <Riddell> and having used python I know its faults (fiddly to package, three different strings types insane) and suspect ruby doesn't have the same problems
[09:14] <Riddell> of course, I've never used ruby so it doubless has problems python doesn't
[09:15] <jjesse> wow ryanakca you shouldn't have asked for help on #kde-devel :) :)
[09:15] <Riddell> learning c++ is partly about the language, partly about how to compile it and partly about the libraries you want to use with it
[09:16] <ryanakca> jjesse: lol
[09:16] <ryanakca> Riddell: isn't compiling it simple enough?
[09:17] <Riddell> ryanakca: ever seen a build log from any c++ programe?
[09:17] <Riddell> it needs a million command line options to compile one file
[09:17] <mhb> it's simple if the program is a single file
[09:17] <ryanakca> Riddell: well... I've watched pbuilder run
[09:17] <mhb> and if there are no compilation options
[09:18] <nixternal> thunderstorms went north and south of us
[09:18] <ryanakca> nixternal: yeah. We were supposed to get them today, none so far
[09:18] <ryanakca> not even cloudy
[09:18] <jjesse> lots of rain all day here in west michigan
[09:18] <nixternal> we got a little rain so far..that's about it
[09:41] <ryanakca> hmm. We need a /good/ real time collaborative text editor.
[09:41] <ryanakca> for Linux
[09:42] <ryanakca> gobby is only good for plaintext, python, docbook, etc is out of the question,
[09:43] <ryanakca> and ACE ( http://ace.iserver.ch/index.php ) is interesting, but a pain to install.
[09:43] <mhb> ryanakca: we do? :o)
[09:44] <mhb> ryanakca: don't try to mask it - by "we you meant "I"
[09:44] <ryanakca> mhb: yes
[09:44] <mhb> :o)
[09:44] <ryanakca> mhb: well, I'm sure the documentation team and motu could use it for mentoring and what not :P
[09:44] <mhb> sure
[09:45] <mhb> there's always room for improvement, that's what fills most people's lives
[09:46] <Riddell> what does KCipher do?
[09:48] <_StefanS_> evening all
[09:49] <ryanakca> Riddell: it's an edutainment style app. It currently has Vigenere, ROT(1-26), and pig latin implemented, and I'm working on adding the Solitaire cipher... In the future, I'm hoping to add a little glossary type window that opens, giving stats and history about the ciphers (kindof like Kalzium).
[09:50] <_StefanS_> anyone know how to repeat a search and replace in vim ?
[09:50] <_StefanS_> (:%s/search/replace/g)
[09:51] <ryanakca> Riddell: hardest part is connecting the algorithms (in encryptdecrypt.py) to kcipher_ui.py (generated from kcipher.ui)
[09:52] <_StefanS_> uhm :%s seems like it
[10:48] <fdoving> _StefanS_: how about :<arrow-up>  ?
[10:49] <_StefanS_> fdoving: donno, %s worked :D
[10:49] <_StefanS_> fdoving: and I'm done with it now
[10:49] <_StefanS_> fdoving: but thanks anyways