=== jander99 [n=jeff@c-24-98-179-82.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:22] hi jander99! [12:22] Good evening again. === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-76-204-9-149.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:24] jander99: are you dist upgrading or installing from CD? [12:26] dist-upgraded from Feisty to Gutsy. [12:27] Actually a fresh install of Feisty, and just edited sources.list to gutsy === Zanoi [n=zanoi@zanoi.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:31] I'm off to bed, let me know what problems you have and I'll see it in the morning [12:36] Good night Riddell [12:52] Riddell: yep, that's the place, I got it from KDE look, but it looks the same, and screenies are identical === jander99 [n=jeff@c-24-98-179-82.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lucky_lucas [n=lucas@116.96.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #kubuntu-devel === n8k99 [n=n8k99@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.104.160] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Paleo [n=paleo@admin.kollide.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@ip72-209-70-78.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lucky_lucas [n=lucas@116.96.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lucky_lucas [n=lucas@159.116.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poningru_ [n=poningru@ip72-209-70-78.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db44347.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lucky_lucas [n=lucas@81.82.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jikanter [n=jordan@c-24-12-220-77.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === goldenear [n=goldenea@2001:6f8:392:1:213:2ff:fe4a:53a7] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@123.116.99.251] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jander99 [n=jeff@c-24-98-179-82.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:46] Good evening kubuntu-devel [05:48] I'm working on a bug to put into launchpad, I was wondering if anyone was familiar or has worked on the file /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc === poningru__ [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jander99 [n=jeff@c-24-98-179-82.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === poningru [n=poningru@ip72-209-70-78.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Knightlust [n=Dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-039-153.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jonasp [i=jonas@i59F7066F.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso [n=jpetso@193.170.48.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel === TheInfinity [n=TheInfin@p508F18DB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@port166-123.ubs.maxnet.net.nz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tmske [n=thomas@dD5E0D32D.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Arby [n=richard@82.152.169.97] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:34] searching in systemsettings is broken. searching for 'app' matches About Me, Accessibility, Default Applications, Appearance and Windows Applications. Why does About Me and Accessibility match? [10:35] if i search for 'appear' nothing matches. not even 'Appearance' [10:35] searching for 'window' doesn't match 'window behavior' [10:35] but 'sharing' matches. [10:35] this is useless. [10:37] apparently systemsettings doesn't display the correctly translated names. [10:37] but it manages to search the translations. [10:37] so i search for norwegian names, but english ones are displayed. === abattoir [n=abattoir@59.92.54.63] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Dinofly [n=dinofly@mar92-13-88-165-255-149.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.228.54] has joined #kubuntu-devel === toma [n=toma@84-53-90-221.wxdsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:16] fdoving: hmm, so the system is in english, but you have to search in norwegian? [11:19] mhb: the system is setup to use the english locale, for text in the console etc. kde is set to use norwegian. some of the text in system-settings is english, some norwegian. [11:20] mhb: one of the examples is 'appearance' it's not translated in system settings. [11:20] searching for 'appear' doesn't match 'appearance' [11:20] but searching for the norwegian 'utseende' which translates to 'appearance' matches 'appearance' [11:21] so, it's obviously trnaslated somewhere. [11:21] just not displayed properly. === marseillai [n=mars@AMarseille-156-1-135-99.w86-197.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:26] mhb: the same is actually true in the english version. searching for "appe" doesn't match "appearance" - but now 'utseende' doesn't work.. [11:26] searching for 'ut' matches appearance, about me, regional & language, accessibility, window behavior, login manager and session manager. [11:27] the magic search. === froud [n=sean@dsl-242-145-109.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === superstoned [n=supersto@86.92.111.236] has joined #kubuntu-devel === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:50] fdoving: I see, the search is kind of "messed up" === neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db44679.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai [n=mars@AMarseille-156-1-135-99.w86-197.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apachelogger [n=me@N755P009.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:06] hey all [02:07] morning [02:07] :) [02:07] there are people! [02:07] there are even europeans! [02:09] lol [02:09] it's been really quiet this weekend... [02:09] maybe it's in contrast from the hecticness of friday...but it still seems quieter than usual [02:10] Hobbsee: do you think you'll have all your merges done by freeze on tuesday morning? [02:10] Riddell: main or universe? [02:10] universe [02:10] and does that include manual? [02:10] so not too important I suppose [02:10] we've got a merge freeze on tues morning? [02:10] all that's outstanding is kguitar, iirc [02:10] syslog-summary and kguitar [02:11] that i'm going to merge, that is [02:11] hey Hobbsee [02:11] oh, damned sword. === apacheLAGger [n=me@amarok/rokymotion/apachelogger] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:11] that too [02:12] sword is in Updated Merges, it can be ignored === apacheLAGger is now known as apachelogger [02:14] Riddell: kguitar doesnt look like too much difference - since edgy, i've been hoping that upstream will release a new version. [02:14] where we can sync === tmske [n=thomas@dD5763506.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:29] hi Hobbsee, Riddell, RadiantFire, ryanakca and all the others :o) [02:29] hi mhb [02:29] hiya mhb! [02:30] RadiantFire: you might want to take a look at kdesudo === ryanakca waves to mhb [02:31] RadiantFire: Tonio (who's not here atm) is hacking a better KDE frontend to sudo than kdesu is, and I've ported your patch to it [02:31] thats exciting [02:31] RadiantFire: so I hope you're not angry at me for porting it :o) [02:32] no, thats silly [02:32] RadiantFire: heh :o) just to be sure [02:32] RadiantFire: we already implemented one feature that *might* be cool for kdesu, too - you might take a look at that [02:33] what i want to know is if it's planned to be included in kde4 [02:34] you gonna tell me what it is? :-P [02:34] RadiantFire: sure [02:35] Hobbsee: kde4 as in? [02:35] Hobbsee: KDE SVN when it hits the KDE4 release? [02:35] yeah, i think so === Bent [n=bent@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:39] Hobbsee: I don't think so [02:39] pity [02:40] Hobbsee: you have to ask Tonio, though [02:40] Hobbsee: I'm just helping out a bit [02:40] yeah [02:40] RadiantFire: we check if the application to be run does have a .desktop file and if it does, we display its' whole name [02:40] RadiantFire: so you see like "Kate - Advanced Text Editor" instead of "kate" [02:41] RadiantFire: we also check for its' icon that way [02:41] well that is superior [02:42] Hobbsee: the thing is, kdesudo is a better "sudo" frontend than "kdesu" is [02:42] mhb: exactly [02:43] Hobbsee: if I were Tonio, I'd write a separate backend/frontend stuff, so those two could share its' GUIs [02:43] that wuld be useful [02:43] all the backend is in the kdesud I think === Hobbsee nods [02:43] I can't remember [02:43] RadiantFire: true, but I don't have the manpower to do that [02:44] well I'd gladlyh elp [02:45] RadiantFire: you have a LP account? [02:45] yes [02:45] you know, there was only 1 hand at UDS for who didnt have a LP account [02:45] iirc [02:45] RadiantFire: found it [02:46] Hobbsee: really? :o) [02:46] Hobbsee: nice [02:46] think so [02:47] RadiantFire: do you happen to know if kdesu is ported to kde4? [02:47] already [02:47] mhb: no I do not [02:47] why does the sourceforge project page say the latest kdesudo release is april 29, 2003? [02:48] RadiantFire: it was abandoned [02:48] RadiantFire: around that time [02:48] ah [02:48] RadiantFire: Tonio picked it up recently [02:48] RadiantFire: launchad.net/kdesudo I think [02:48] launchpad.net/kdesudo [02:48] found it, actually ~kubuntu-kdesu [02:48] want me toj oin that team? [02:53] RadiantFire: sure [02:54] RadiantFire: I'll talk to Tonio about approving you once he's online [02:54] ok [02:57] RadiantFire: the hard work will be porting the backend to kdesudo [02:57] RadiantFire: kdesu [02:57] yes [02:58] well, I guess I should probably familiarize myself witht he rest of the code [03:00] RadiantFire: that would be great :o) === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rouzic [n=rouzic@212.145.63.25] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@ip72-209-70-78.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poningru_ [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rbrunhuber [n=rbrunhub@p54975EC4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poningru_ [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:07] Riddell: should I bother packaging the sysinfo:/ kioslave for gutsy? === |marseillai| [n=marseill@AMarseille-156-1-135-99.w86-197.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai [n=mars@AMarseille-156-1-135-99.w86-197.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === meven [n=meven@ARennes-357-1-150-132.w90-25.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rbrunhuber [n=Miranda@p54975ec4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:11] ryanakca: sure, if it's not too hard [07:11] Riddell: okies [07:11] it's worth a try [07:12] Should I base myself on upstream's package, or start from scratch? [07:12] ryanakca: it is going to get that Kubuntu touch artwise right? [07:12] nixternal: the sysinfo:/ [07:12] ? [07:13] I was playing around tweaking the one on kde-apps...it would be better if the code would parse an html file or xml file instead of having to edit the code and patching it [07:13] ryanakca: yes [07:14] nixternal: I doubt we'll put it in main [07:14] I think an ioslave is not the right place for most of that information [07:14] where do you think the right place would be? [07:14] sysinfo is mostly about finding a quick fix to the questions that happened to be in novell's usability study [07:14] it is a cool "frontpage" to Konqui w/o a doubt [07:15] nixternal: http://www.kde-apps.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/58704-1.jpg ... [07:15] ahhh [07:15] nixternal: dolphin has a sidebar that much of it could go in [07:15] Riddell: for KDE 4 or the current dolphin for kde3? [07:15] if someone wants to theme it, I can't see why not, but that's the default look [07:16] can't remember how much of a sidebar kde 3's dolphin has [07:16] not much [07:16] hehe, that is why I asked [07:16] ryanakca: it's not using crystal? [07:16] ryanakca: I have messed with a little code that would prop the correct image for the CPU as well, just need to find a cool Intel cpu thing [07:16] nixternal: it would be cool to add a link to it in konqueror's home page, but oh well [07:16] seeing as I have an Intel CPU, the AMD image doesn't fit :) [07:17] ryanakca: that would be cool, but that is up to the MAN! [07:17] ;p [07:17] Riddell: umm, I think that the icons change with the system's iconset, not sure === ryanakca checks the source [07:17] ryanakca: they don't [07:17] those images are hardcoded [07:17] drats [07:17] because the same images you have in sysinfo are the same ones I have [07:18] which icon theme btw are you using? [07:18] ya, I have those same icons as you do and I am using Oxygen === ryanakca is using the default feisty theme... which uses? [07:20] crystal I think [07:20] or whatever it is called [07:20] hrmm..the sysinfo I have I believe shows the speed for each core === nixternal doesn't have a dual core though [07:21] but I thought I seen the code or at least a screen shot showing it [07:21] ah [07:23] hmmm. does pbuilder leaving suid apps laying around in /var/cache/pbuilder/build/ pose a security risk? [07:24] don't see why it would...clean out build [07:25] kde-config is provided by which package? kdelibs-dev? [07:26] nixternal: kdelibs4c2a , or kdelibs-dbg [07:27] rock on, thanks [07:27] np [07:28] nixternal: for sysinfo:/ , same thing as for the rest, get it on debian and then sync? [07:28] you can give it a shot, but that is what I have been "trying" to do [07:28] yeah [07:30] nixternal: man-di said he'd review and hopefully upload aoeui for me tomorow, and then ubuntu should automatically sync it, since it doesn't have a version in ubuntu? [07:30] you will have to request the sync, that that is easy...good deal though [07:32] ok, request on LP? [07:32] yup [07:36] kk [07:40] hmmm. What do I call it, since sysinfo is allready taken? kio-sysinfo ? === mbiebl [n=michael@e180067250.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:41] looks like that's what kio packages are called [07:42] ok [07:49] nixternal: shucks, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=370546 ... 362 days in the making. no update. Do I file a new ITP, and package it, or add to the changelog that it closes 370546? [07:49] Debian bug 370546 in wnpp "ITP: kio-sysinfo -- kio slave displaying various system informations" [Wishlist,Open] [07:52] ryanakca: I'd e-mail the person that filed the ITP and ask them what their intent is. [07:55] ScottK: ok [07:56] nixternal: apachelogger has a kubuntu version of it, by the looks of it [07:57] https://code.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/kio-sysinfo/ubuntu === apachelogger is currently totally useless ... br0kenlogger due to linuxtag in berlin that is ;-) [07:58] ah :) [08:00] ryanakca, nixternal, isn't kio-sysinfo one of those things that might need kubuntuspecific changes anyway? - putting it directly in kubuntu should be fine if that is true. [08:01] ok [08:01] fdoving: not kubuntu specific except for maybe artwork [08:01] nixternal: exactly, which will be a change to the package. and therefor a sync from debian won't be enough. [08:01] hrmm, that is true [08:01] nixternal: will be easy to put it both places, but a sync won't work. [08:02] so maybe naming it kubuntu-sysinfo? [08:02] and I am sure Debian would want to put their little spin on it as well (maybe) [08:02] nixternal: Kubuntu specific changes, which I think should be packaged, instead of whats on kde-app: https://code.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/kio-sysinfo/ubuntu [08:02] well, if you want to go that way, it sure is possible to make a kio-sysinfo upload it to debian, sync and make a kio-sysinfo-kubuntu with the kubuntu specific changes, diverting the files needing changes. [08:03] that way it will be easy to make other brandings aswell. === ryanakca isn't going to bother with debian, for now [08:03] that would work as well [08:03] ryanakca: ya, I would probably leave Debian alone on this one for now === superstoned [n=supersto@86.92.111.236] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:05] ryanakca: tell me if you need someone to test :) === kwwii [n=kwwii@p549546C5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === manchicken__ [n=manchkn@74-134-94-223.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:15] fdoving: will do === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-90156.0x5734b54a.naenxx14.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Arby [n=richard@82.152.169.97] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jonasp [i=jonas@i59F7066F.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === je4d [n=jeff@kde/developer/je4d] has joined #kubuntu-devel === je4d [n=jeff@kde/developer/je4d] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nosrednaekim [n=michael@03-068.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@ppp-69-221-246-156.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nosrednaekim [n=michael@03-068.200.popsite.net] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [08:59] nixternal: how's the weather in chi town today [08:59] i'm flying to omaha and changing flights in ohare and don't want to rained ouot :) [09:00] a little wet and rocky [09:00] flights shouldn't be delayed now [09:00] rocky? [09:00] hmmm good, not leaving until 5:30 est [09:00] that sounds painful [09:00] ohare is always rocky [09:00] stupid chicago weather :) :) [09:04] nixternal: hmmm... been hit by that thunderstorm yet? [09:04] it hailed in west michaign yesterday [09:04] it was crazy [09:04] ouch [09:04] I've been to chicago, didn't see any rocks, just miles and miles of suburbia with very tall buildings clustered in the middle [09:04] much like every other city in the US :) [09:04] lol === ryanakca yawns and watches as his request for help turns into a programming language war/debate in #kde-devel [09:08] its rocky landing at the airport [09:09] i've never had a smooth landing tghere [09:09] ryanakca: hehe [09:10] ryanakca: if we compare languages only on their ease to code something and availability of Qt/KDE libraries, python wins :o) [09:10] yeah [09:10] ruby would disagree to that [09:12] Riddell: are rubyqt4 as good as pyqt4? [09:13] well, the ruby qt dudes are far better integrated into the KDE community [09:13] and ruby has kde 4 bindings already, python hasn't started on that [09:13] and having used python I know its faults (fiddly to package, three different strings types insane) and suspect ruby doesn't have the same problems === ryanakca thinks he'll get Accelerated C++ this summer and try to learn C++ [09:14] of course, I've never used ruby so it doubless has problems python doesn't [09:15] wow ryanakca you shouldn't have asked for help on #kde-devel :) :) [09:15] learning c++ is partly about the language, partly about how to compile it and partly about the libraries you want to use with it [09:16] jjesse: lol === ryanakca guesses he'll have to ask in #qt [09:16] Riddell: isn't compiling it simple enough? [09:17] ryanakca: ever seen a build log from any c++ programe? [09:17] it needs a million command line options to compile one file [09:17] it's simple if the program is a single file [09:17] Riddell: well... I've watched pbuilder run [09:17] and if there are no compilation options [09:18] thunderstorms went north and south of us [09:18] nixternal: yeah. We were supposed to get them today, none so far [09:18] not even cloudy [09:18] lots of rain all day here in west michigan [09:18] we got a little rain so far..that's about it [09:41] hmm. We need a /good/ real time collaborative text editor. [09:41] for Linux [09:42] gobby is only good for plaintext, python, docbook, etc is out of the question, [09:43] and ACE ( http://ace.iserver.ch/index.php ) is interesting, but a pain to install. [09:43] ryanakca: we do? :o) [09:44] ryanakca: don't try to mask it - by "we you meant "I" [09:44] mhb: yes [09:44] :o) [09:44] mhb: well, I'm sure the documentation team and motu could use it for mentoring and what not :P [09:44] sure [09:45] there's always room for improvement, that's what fills most people's lives === ryanakca thinks he'll write one up once he's released KCipher [09:46] what does KCipher do? [09:48] <_StefanS_> evening all [09:49] Riddell: it's an edutainment style app. It currently has Vigenere, ROT(1-26), and pig latin implemented, and I'm working on adding the Solitaire cipher... In the future, I'm hoping to add a little glossary type window that opens, giving stats and history about the ciphers (kindof like Kalzium). [09:50] <_StefanS_> anyone know how to repeat a search and replace in vim ? [09:50] <_StefanS_> (:%s/search/replace/g) [09:51] Riddell: hardest part is connecting the algorithms (in encryptdecrypt.py) to kcipher_ui.py (generated from kcipher.ui) [09:52] <_StefanS_> uhm :%s seems like it === jonasp [i=jonas@i59F7066F.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === je4d [n=jeff@peridot.caffeinated.me.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tmske [n=thomas@dD5763506.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai_ [n=mars@AMarseille-156-1-37-43.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apacheLAGger [n=me@N823P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nosrednaekim [n=michael@03-068.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@89-212-19-55.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apacheLAGger is now known as apachelogger [10:48] _StefanS_: how about : ? 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