[12:16] <cntb> kazyua, bad bad boy whose system you borked ? university's?
[12:17] <cntb> PhinnFort> flyertanks: clickar on el blue fonto <<< haha perfect Spanglish
[12:17] <PhinnFort> :P
[12:17] <dorin> :-P
[12:17] <BluesKaj> !games
[12:17] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[12:17] <dorin> :-D
[12:30] <DaSkreech> netsplit :)
[12:31] <kazyua> cntb, no, my own
[12:32] <kazyua> cntb, do I need to do something with dpkg to repair it?
[12:32] <cntb> good I apologize. what did google say
[12:32] <Darkkish> how can you set the title of a Konsole window?
[12:39] <DaSkreech> kazyua: What error are you getting?
[12:39] <kazyua> apt-get install apt
[12:39] <kazyua> Reading package lists... Done
[12:39] <kazyua> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[12:40] <kazyua> that's it
[12:44] <rommel> Hello All!!!! :)
[12:44] <rommel> Questiion on VNC
[12:45] <rommel> I am able to VNC in to my Ubunto Client, Great... Now I want to VNC out to another Client
[12:45] <rommel> how can I do that?
[12:45] <kazyua> DaSkreech, any advice?
[12:46] <DaSkreech> kazyua: try an apt-get update
[12:46] <DaSkreech> rommel: Install VNC?
[12:46] <kazyua> tried
[12:46] <kazyua> it grabs the headers fine
[12:46] <kazyua> but apt-get upgrade segfaults
[12:46] <kazyua> dpkg --configure -a runs fine
[12:47] <TimotiST> kazyua: how many sources do you have in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[12:47] <kazyua> 9
[12:48] <TimotiST> try commenting out about half of them, then try again
[12:49] <DaSkreech> kazyua: upgrade from the official repos only
[12:49] <DaSkreech> kazyua: and you can try a apt-get -f install as well
[12:49] <TimotiST> it happened about a week ago with my old laptop (16 megs of RAM)
[12:49] <kazyua> there's the issue
[12:49] <TimotiST> had to comment out 2 lines of 4 to make it work again
[12:50] <kazyua> there's another package referring to unrar, but I don't have unrar anyome
[12:50] <kazyua> anymore*
[12:50] <kazyua> and for some reason I can't dl it
[12:50] <rommel> Daskreech --> I want to be able to VNC out from Ubuntu to other clients (ubuntu or windows)
[12:50] <kazyua> so it must be in a repo I cmt'd
[12:50] <DaSkreech> rommel: Do you have VNC installed in Ubuntu?
[12:50] <kazyua> but if I uncmt the repo it'll fail again
[12:50] <kazyua> so
[12:50] <TimotiST> download the unrar package from the web and dpkg -i  ?
[12:51] <DaSkreech> rommel: and if you are using Gnome the question is better asked in #ubuntu
[12:51] <kazyua> just about to do that
[12:51] <DaSkreech> !unrar
[12:51] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[12:51] <DaSkreech> kazyua: ^^^
[12:52] <kazyua> yeah I'm dling the .deb and installing it now
[12:53] <rommel> how do I know if I am using Gnome?
[12:54] <TimotiST> rommel: how does your workplace look like? do you see a button labeled K, or one looking like a footprint?
[12:55] <rommel> when I go to the File Browser, It opens a Windows like Explorer and to the Right Upper Corner It has a foot print
[12:56] <DaSkreech> rommel: That's Gnome :)
[12:56] <kheremet> hi, i do have a recording problem (no input signal) with kubuntu and audiophile 2496 pci card. what should i do?
[12:57] <kheremet> output is okay.
[12:57] <rommel> which one is better to use?
[12:57] <DaSkreech> rommel: The one you feel more comfortable with
[12:57] <rommel> how do chang from one to another...I think I did it with out knowing!
[12:58] <DaSkreech> rommel: on the login screen you can choose
[12:58] <DaSkreech> Sessions -> Gnome or Sessions -> KDE
[12:58] <rommel> OK
[12:58] <rommel> now I remember
[12:59] <rommel> and in the one that is not Genome vnc works like I would like to?
[01:00] <DaSkreech> I guess :)
[01:00] <DaSkreech> Anyway I have to run
[01:00] <DaSkreech>  catch you all later
[01:00] <rommel> ok lets try
[01:00] <TimotiST> the vnc client (xvnc4client) works both in gnome and kde. even in xfce
[01:00] <rommel> Thanks
[01:00] <jorge82martinez> hola como estan todos
[01:00] <TimotiST> kheremet: you use alsa, right?
[01:01] <rommel> TimotiST and I will find that in Applications - Internet
[01:01] <TimotiST> if it's already installed, then you should find it
[01:01] <TimotiST> but i think the default ubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu install won't install it
[01:02] <rommel> I install it in Add programs?
[01:02] <rommel> I will install it in add/remove programs right?
[01:02] <TimotiST> good question, i never install programs on a graphical interface, but that should be it
[01:04] <rommel> OK let me try a couple of things
[01:04] <rommel> Thanks TimotyST -->
[01:04] <premier_> hello, my compy has recently started to blank the screen and become unresponsive after a period of time.
[01:04] <kheremet> timotiST, hmmm... eh
[01:04] <rommel> how long have you been using linux?
[01:05] <TimotiST> a few years
[01:05] <premier_> rommel: me?  about 6 months
[01:05] <kheremet> ?
[01:05] <kheremet> 6 hours
[01:06] <rommel> ok
[01:06] <rommel> ok there is hope
[01:06] <rommel> let me try to switch
[01:06] <rommel> BRB
[01:07] <TimotiST> kheremet: you say it plays audio just fine, but the recording doesn't work, right?
[01:08] <kheremet> yep
[01:08] <TimotiST> can you open a console?
[01:08] <kheremet> i quess
[01:08] <kheremet> ok
[01:08] <TimotiST> okay, so run alsamixer
[01:09] <kheremet> TimotiST, hmm, could you explain, how?
[01:10] <TimotiST> you use KDE, right?
[01:10] <kheremet> Yes, what should  I write?
[01:11] <TimotiST> you have a console window open (either konsole, xterm or anything)?
[01:11] <kheremet> konsol is open
[01:11] <TimotiST> then type 'alsamixer<enter>'
[01:12] <kheremet> hah, abrakadabra
[01:12] <TimotiST> that should giwe you a nice view
[01:12] <TimotiST> you can play around with the sound level of the line input and stuff
[01:13] <TimotiST> see if it's on mute or not
[01:14] <TimotiST> you can exit with ESC
[01:15] <kheremet> all mic and input lines are off, how to change em
[01:16] <TimotiST> use the 'M' button to change the mute status
[01:16] <kheremet> ok, i'll try again to record something
[01:16] <TimotiST> and the cursor keys to change the levels
[01:16] <kheremet> thanks
[01:20] <phpcode> i cant copy files to one of my hdd (s-ata), i have tryed to do that as root. help?
[01:20] <jrick> could someone please tell me what packages I need to have installed to build a KDE application (besides build-essential)
[01:20] <dr_willis> phpcode,  what filesystem is the hdd's  in question?
[01:21] <phpcode> dr_willis: ntfs.
[01:21] <Darkkish> how do i get my audio back?
[01:21] <Darkkish> after another program stole it
[01:21] <Darkkish> and then i closed that program
[01:22] <dr_willis> writing to ntfs needs to be enabled.
[01:22] <dr_willis> !ntfs
[01:22] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[01:22] <dr_willis> !ntfs-3g
[01:22] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[01:23] <dr_willis> Thers also a tool i think that enabled it.
[01:25] <phpcode> dr_willis: ok. ill read and try that. and come back if it didnt help. :-)
[01:26] <Darkkish> how do i restart sound?
[01:27] <Darkkish> oh kill artsd
[01:29] <xeon> hello
[01:30] <LetoAtreides> Ok the bug I reported got rejected, yet it prevents me from using Kubuntu, and forces me to Recommend my end users NOT use it either (because they cant), but I levu Kubuntu....why oh why...
[01:30] <LetoAtreides> love*
[01:30] <rommel> TimotiST... It worked even though I think I am still using Gnome
[01:30] <xeon> i need a VM with windows. I have ubuntu 6.06 lts installed. can anyone help me pls?
[01:30] <dr_willis> LetoAtreides,  a bug got rejected?
[01:30] <rommel> TimotiST ... How did you say that I can Change it?
[01:31] <dr_willis> xeon,  i use vmware-server all the time.
[01:31] <xeon> dr_willis, where can i find it pls?
[01:31] <TimotiST> rommel: change KDE/Gnome? most likely at the login screen. if they are both installed, of course
[01:31] <dr_willis> !vmware
[01:31] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[01:31] <LetoAtreides> dr_willis: a bug that will not allow my app to run (when it runs on 10-20 other distros I tried, including the last Kubuntu version) and prevents me from compiling my app as well
[01:31] <dr_willis> xeon,  the vmware homepage. :)
[01:32] <rommel> ok
[01:32] <dr_willis> LetoAtreides,  and they consider it a bug in your program?
[01:33] <LetoAtreides> dr_willis: no T posted a hello world app that wouldnt even compile
[01:33] <LetoAtreides> I*
[01:33] <xeon> ubotu, dr_willis, thanks a lot!
[01:33] <LetoAtreides> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/118338
[01:34] <Darkkish> I just thought of a really cool beryl feature
[01:35] <LetoAtreides> dr_willis: the bug in my app happens when you move the window, it crashes X, even on the LiveCD!
[01:36] <LetoAtreides> Yet has NO ISSUE with any onther distro (I installed a couple more last night, and its ONLY Kubuntu
[01:39] <xeon> dr_willis, i 've downloaded the machine, i unziped it and double clicked on My_Virtual_Machine.vmx, but it opens a text full of code
[01:40] <AnyKey> what is a name of a good samba compatable backup program ?
[01:42] <phpcode> dr_willis: Thanks. it fixed the problem :-D
[01:43] <xeon> dr_willis, i 've downloaded the machine, i unziped it and double clicked on My_Virtual_Machine.vmx, but it opens a text full of code
[01:44] <xeon> what i have to do?
[01:45] <Darkkish> why is everything in the repository out of date?
[01:46] <Darkkish> Wine, Tunderbird
[01:46] <Darkkish> Firefox
[01:46] <Darkkish> maybe not firefox
[01:46] <Darkkish> but definately wine and thunderbirdf
[01:46] <kheremet> and ardour
[01:46] <AnyKey> /shrug
[01:49] <jrick> could someone please tell me what the package is called that contains all of the KDE and Qt development programs?  I have a program that i need to compile, but i need the qt development applications to do so.
[01:51] <TimotiST> Darkkish: which release?
[01:51] <Darkkish> 7.04
[01:52] <jrick> nvm, i think i found it.  The package is kde-devel.
[01:52] <kheremet> good night.
[01:53] <TimotiST> well, the packages were frozen a few months ago for release, so they aren't on the bleeding edge for sure
[01:53] <godvirus> how do i install g++ 4.2?
[01:54] <godvirus> i thought adept_installer would let me manage repositories
[01:54] <godvirus> but i dont see the option anymore
[01:54] <Darkkish> TimotiST: frozen?
[01:54] <Darkkish> godvirus: me too, it's gone.
[01:55] <jrick> godvirus: do you have the repository file that you need to add?
[01:55] <godvirus> darkkish: i think the options are still in adept manager
[01:55] <Darkkish> being able to manage repositories was one of my favorite things about adept
[01:55] <Darkkish> not really
[01:55] <Darkkish> it doesn't let you manage all of them it only lets you add new ones
[01:55] <jrick> if you do, and adept won't you let you edit it, try adding it to /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:55] <TimotiST> once they get ready to release the new release, they stay with the version up to date. that means sometime around 2007.03 in case of feisty
[01:56] <godvirus> hey its still there
[01:56] <BluesKaj> that's prolly bleeding edge godvirus ...prolly need to DL it from the dev site
[01:56] <TimotiST> and those packages are now 2 (maybe 3) months old for sure
[01:56] <godvirus> repo management is still in System->Adept Manager
[01:56] <BluesKaj> i just manage the sources.list ...easiest IMO
[01:57] <jrick> BluesKaj: not for new users
[01:57] <BluesKaj> jrick:  dunno trying to manage repos in adept is a PITA
[01:57] <Darkkish> but it's 2007.05
[01:58] <jrick> PITA?
[01:58] <jrick> oh
[01:58] <jrick> nvm
[01:58] <jrick> i get it
[01:58] <BluesKaj> pain in a**
[01:58] <TimotiST> that's the way ubuntu is. release every 6 months, but do a stable release
[01:59] <TimotiST> gentoo's portage follows the versions almost up-to-date, just sometimes brakes
[01:59] <TimotiST> breaks...
[02:00] <Darkkish> Man I just want a new, running version of Tunderbird and the latest version of Wine
[02:01] <khaije1> i'm looking for a sff box that i can use as a SAN NAS using ubuntu, anyone aware of a company selling something like that
[02:01] <khaije1> ?
[02:01] <TimotiST> well, you can always go with a testing release, those are brand new, just not always stable
[02:02] <khaije1> i need it somewhat quick so I'm looking to drop about 600$ for a box
[02:02] <BluesKaj> err SAN NAS ?
[02:04] <khaije1> BluesKaj: ya SAN/NAS, I would build the services, i just need a nice sff box with slots for HDD's and maybe hw raid
[02:04] <BluesKaj> have no idea what that is SAN NAS ?
[02:05] <TimotiST> NAS is pretty easy, either with samba or ftp, SAN can be tricky, especially with iSCSI
[02:05] <epimeth> ahoy lurkers!
[02:06] <BluesKaj> i have a small windows network setup, use samba smb4k ...works fine
[02:06] <epimeth> oooo... firefox update
[02:07] <epimeth> smb4k?  whassat?
[02:07] <BluesKaj> a samba browser
[02:07] <khaije1> TimotiST: I know, i was wondering if anyone could recommend any linux friendly hw vendors for this type of thing, just want it small, quiet, headless, and capable of running a server install of ubuntu
[02:07] <epimeth> meh... tried opera a few years back... just before they started with the advertisements on their free version... didn't like it much
[02:08] <epimeth> khaije1: IBM
[02:08] <epimeth> their servers are very ubuntu friendlyu
[02:08] <jrick> opera 9 is pretty nice, but i'm a konq guy myself (i like the kde intregration)
[02:08] <epimeth> at least in my experience
[02:08] <Komsip> opera is very sweet for one thing, renders pages real fast
[02:08] <khaije1> epimeth: any model names? this is for a dude (me) not an enterprise so sub 600$ is my range
[02:08] <Komsip> but that's pretty much all
[02:08] <BluesKaj> no ads , epimeth ...built in email and irc and torrent ...the torrent addon sucks but the rest of it is quite nice .
[02:09] <jrick> khtml is fast also (faster then gecko)
[02:09] <epimeth> ooh... no, I was talking about their small business servers, seriously doubt you'll find it for sub 600$
[02:09] <jrick> agreed on the opera torrent suckieness
[02:09] <epimeth> but you might find something good refurbished... check their site
[02:10] <epimeth> they've been linux friendly for a while now, so you shouldn't gave a problem
[02:10] <Komsip> is there any improvement in the rendering of pages in the next konq, it's my main browser?
[02:10] <epimeth> s/gave/have
[02:10] <khaije1> k, thanks epimeth
[02:10] <dr_willis> i got a NDAS hard drive enclosure just the other day :)
[02:10] <Komsip> i mean in kde 4
[02:11] <khaije1> dr_willis: whas ndas?
[02:11] <epimeth> Komsip: dunno... I'm a dolphin/firefox kinda guy
[02:11] <Komsip> dolphin?
[02:11] <cntb> itay
[02:11] <epimeth> Komsip: I hope they do add a lot of w3 standards support... they are very lacking at the moment
[02:11] <dr_willis> khaije1,  network direct attached storage. its a HD enclosure with a network Plug. :)
[02:11] <jrick> dolphin is the new default filemanager in kde4
[02:11] <cntb> itay come to ubuntu-il as well
[02:12] <epimeth> Komsip: yup... the 'real' kde file manager... konq is getting thrown out for kde4 in favor of dolphin
[02:12] <khaije1> dr_willis: oh right, do you prefere that to a sff headless NAS?
[02:12] <epimeth> install it and check it out... I really like it and I understand its going through a major overhaul for kde4
[02:12] <BluesKaj> is dolphin available for feisty?
[02:12] <jrick> epimeth: are you running the kde 3.5.x version of dolphin or the kde4 build?
[02:12] <epimeth> yup
[02:12] <epimeth> 3.5
[02:12] <BluesKaj> cool
[02:12] <epimeth> loving it
[02:12] <khaije1> khtml is being re-merged with the safari branches changes
[02:13] <dr_willis> khaije1,  it was rather trivial to get going. supposed to be faster.. I goofed today. I bought a new 500gb hd for it.. and frogot it was IDE, not sata. :) guess the sata drive goes in my other fileserver
[02:13] <jrick> does anyone know how to build the dolphin for kde4?
[02:13] <jrick> i want to run it
[02:13] <tin> is konq getting "thrown out", or just moved aside as the default directory viewer?
[02:13] <epimeth> jrick: I'm sure theres a howto... check out the site
[02:13] <epimeth> konq is being phased out I think...
[02:13] <jrick> epimeth: no it is staying for web browsing
[02:14] <jrick> that is it's primary focus on kde4 onwards
[02:14] <epimeth> it'll still be the default web browser, but everything else seems to be moving to dolphin
[02:14] <epimeth> smb, ftp, nfs
[02:14] <tin> and it's still good for media browsing with previews and metedata displays
[02:14] <intelikey> dr_willis sounds like you'll have to add a new mb so you can use the new drive  :)
[02:14] <epimeth> my only problem with it atm is context menus
[02:14] <Darkkish> hmm
[02:14] <Darkkish> odd wine.
[02:15] <Darkkish> hhm
[02:15] <Komsip> why would dolphin be default? I never heard of it until 5 mins ago, and i googled it, says it's gtk based??
[02:15] <epimeth> eg, ark isn't integrated
[02:15] <epimeth> its gtk based?  I didn't know that... all I know is that I like it and that I've heard from a number of sources that it's gonna be the file browser
[02:15] <jrick> Komsip: um no
[02:16] <khaije1> all this dolphin talk sounds ridiculous
[02:16] <jrick> for all you people who want to know about konqueror and dolphin: http://dot.kde.org/1172721427/
[02:16] <intelikey> dr_willis; and new cpu/s so you can use the new mb,  and new ram....     just tryin' to help...   :)
[02:17] <epimeth> http://www.osnews.com/story.php/17314/Dolphin-To-Become-Default-File-Manager-in-KDE-4/
[02:18] <intelikey> !info dolphin
[02:18] <ubotu> dolphin: File manager for KDE focusing on usability. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.1-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 1251 kB, installed size 2252 kB
[02:18] <jrick> intelikey: that's for kde3, right?
[02:18] <intelikey> i would think so.
[02:19] <jrick> if it was for kde4, that would be so sweet. i wouldn't have to mess with cmake.
[02:20] <epimeth> jrick: thats what happens when you use alpha distributions :-p
[02:20] <khaije1> dr_willis: what make ndas did you get?
[02:20] <intelikey> or alpha packages....
[02:20] <epimeth> meh... semantics....
[02:21] <intelikey> pedantics
[02:21] <intelikey> :)
[02:22] <epimeth> why is it that when I'm at work there's a million people asking for help, but now that I have time (and its afternoon in the states) nobody is yelling "help meeee!!!!"?
[02:22] <intelikey> hmmm....
[02:25] <intelikey> why would debian set the system requirements for etch at 64m ram with "no desktop" (i assume they mean no GUI)   and recommend  256 megabytes ram  ?     surely 64m is not minimum for running it.      installer needs that maybe?
[02:25] <Minataku> Funny
[02:25] <Minataku> I run Debian w/ desktop (jwm) on a machine with 80MB RAM
[02:25] <BluesKaj> epimeth: that's cuz its tvtime in america
[02:26] <Minataku> BTW: Recommendation != Absolute minimum
[02:26] <Minataku> Yeah, 8PM on east coast
[02:26] <intelikey> minimum on their page says       With Desktop  64 megabytes   512 megabytes      5 gigabyte
[02:26] <Minataku> 7, 6, 5, 4 and 3 going westward
[02:26] <epimeth> just cuz you can, doesn't mean you should.... I was running etch with 64 mb ram with kde and was cursing quite profusely
[02:26] <Minataku> intelikey: Minimum system requirements != Recommended system requirements
[02:26] <intelikey> the 512 is reccomneded.   as is the   256 on the first post.
[02:27] <tin> and then there are those sweet timezones in the US that don't follow daylight savings and the other ones on the half hours
[02:27] <Minataku> epimeth: Well duh, you were using KDE
[02:27] <Minataku> Don't use something so stupid
[02:27] <intelikey> Minataku would you like a url ?
[02:27] <Minataku> tin: No such
[02:27] <Minataku> There are some states/cities that don't honor DST
[02:27] <Minataku> There are NO :30 zones in the USA
[02:27] <epimeth> lol
[02:28] <epimeth> Minataku: but I love KDE :-
[02:28] <epimeth> :-(
[02:28] <Minataku> epimeth: You'll never get KDE working comfortably in less than 512MB
[02:28] <Minataku> And that was 4 years ago
[02:28] <epimeth> I used to... grumble... something about advanced technology... grumble
[02:29] <intelikey> Minataku http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04.html.en#id2532353 <<< so am i reading that incorrectly ?    are they not saying it can't work with less than 64m ram    with or without a gui ?
[02:30] <michael__> omg konversation is sooo screwed over
[02:30] <epimeth> intelikey: "The actual minimum memory requirements are a lot less then the numbers listed in this table"
[02:30] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: it says right below the table that you can do less than 20M
[02:30] <Minataku> intelikey: You're reading it incorrectly
[02:31] <Minataku> LeeJunFan: 48MB for i386
[02:31] <Minataku> 20MB only on IBM S390
[02:31] <LeeJunFan> yeah.
[02:31] <epimeth> like I said... I'm running etch with 64mb ram... forget X, just sshing takes a few seconds to connect
[02:32] <michael__> okay , when konversation starts, you know how it has that auto join box
[02:32] <michael__> that shows servers/channels
[02:32] <michael__> well the buttons on that are not there
[02:32] <michael__> so i cant close it
[02:32] <michael__> and i tried removing it and reinstalling and dpkg-configure, and it still shows my autojoin channels
[02:32] <Minataku> michael__: What resolution are you running in?
[02:32] <michael__> the same as I was before
[02:32] <michael__> when it worked fine
[02:33] <michael__> i just rebootd and some odd things happeend
[02:33] <michael__> that, and my knetworkmanager didnt show up
[02:33] <michael__> but i was able to do iwconfig eth1 essid linksys
[02:33] <Billiard> hey ive been using devede to convert my vids to dvd's, but it takes REALLY long. is that the best/fastest program for makin dvd's?
[02:33] <LeeJunFan> crap, I've got dapper running on 64M 486 WRAP boards as access points, of course I installed the image with debootstrap
[02:34] <intelikey> well dapper running here....   Mem usage: 14/249 MB (5%)
[02:35] <intelikey> so i'm assuming the installer is the reason for high minimums.
[02:35] <LeeJunFan> I'd assume the same.
[02:36] <LeeJunFan> since it would be using ramdisks during setup, etc.
[02:38] <intelikey> yeah but 32m should be do_able   run the system in 16 have 16 for the installer...   text based installers "can" be tight shoed
[02:39] <Minataku> intelikey: Eh
[02:39] <Minataku> It COULD be
[02:39] <TimotiST> i ran etch on a p1-100 16ram box... :)
[02:39] <Minataku> But for RAM-heavy operations like unpacking junk and whatnot
[02:40] <intelikey> i just hate bloat.     and what is the purpose of making a chart that "lies" to people anyway ?
[02:40] <Minataku> Plus the fact that the kernel, kernel modules, and other stuff has to fit too
[02:40] <Minataku> 2.6 series kernels are fairly large
[02:40] <Minataku> And installer kernels are stupid large
[02:41] <intelikey> yeah they are bloated.
[02:41] <Minataku> Not bloated
[02:41] <Minataku> The kernel is hardly bloated
[02:41] <Minataku> It's just got a lot that it supports and can do
[02:41] <Minataku> As for installer kernels, they pretty much have to support EVERYTHING
[02:42] <dwbell> speaking of large kernels, has anyone here compiled their own for kubuntu?
[02:42] <intelikey> swelled up till the skin is about to bust, bloated.   compair knoppix and see.
[02:42] <intelikey> dwbell yes
[02:42] <aroo> dwbell, yea
[02:42] <TimotiST> most installer kernels have stuff in modules -> less memory use
[02:42] <Minataku> Only for Gentoo
[02:42] <intelikey> dwbell 2.6 and  2.4
[02:42] <Minataku> TimotiST: Right
[02:43] <Minataku> But the modules still have to be loaded
[02:43] <dwbell> what advantages? speed increase / smaller footprint?
[02:43] <Minataku> dwbell: Of course
[02:43] <TimotiST> but just what you need
[02:43] <Minataku> You tighten things up at the core at you increase the core performace
[02:43] <[4K^Javax] > nn
[02:44] <Minataku> Plus you don't have to probe EVERY POSSIBLE DEVICE on each boot
[02:44] <[4K^Javax] > fucking amsging my queries
[02:44] <Minataku> Since you can just compile in what you need
[02:44] <Minataku> !language
[02:44] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[02:44] <dwbell> I have a new machine coming, and it would be nice to set up right from the start
[02:44] <Minataku> dwbell: Use Gentoo instead then
[02:44] <Minataku> No question
[02:45] <Minataku> It's a bit more difficult, but everything is compiled to precisely your specifications
[02:45] <dwbell> Minataku: Ah but I have a job and a family, I'd love to try gentoo but don't have the time!
[02:45] <Minataku> You don't like Y? Tell Portage and it doesn't use Y.
[02:45] <Minataku> dwbell: It doesn't take long to set up at all
[02:45] <Minataku> Maybe an hour for the initial setup
[02:46] <Minataku> After that you set the ball rolling and you can knock off
[02:46] <Minataku> After THAT, you can use while compiling
[02:46] <Minataku> In fact, having little time makes it BETTER to use, since you can have it working away while you're not
[02:47] <Ace2016> Minataku: thats what i thought, but say you need a particular app asap then you have to wait for it to compiled, and that sucked, and there may be deps too
[02:48] <Minataku> Ace2016: Less deps, though
[02:48] <Minataku> As for that, you CAN get binary packages
[02:48] <Ace2016> really?
[02:48] <Minataku> I dunno where from
[02:48] <Ace2016> never knew you could get binary stuff
[02:48] <Minataku> But yeah, I believe there ARE sources for binary packageds
[02:48] <Minataku> Portage is very versatile
[02:48] <intelikey> why not build dpkg and apt in portage and use .deb's ?
[02:48] <dr_willis> i recall seeing  gentoo binary packages aswell
[02:48] <dr_willis> but then the next update seems to recompule 1/2 the system :)
[02:49] <Minataku> intelikey: Because that's farking retarded
[02:49] <Minataku> dr_willis: Heh, I'd only use them in Ace2016's case
[02:49] <intelikey> Minataku speeded up is slowed down ???
[02:49] <Minataku> Then as soon as I had the bin package, start the compile
[02:49] <Minataku> intelikey: ?????
[02:49] <Minataku> dr_willis: Sorry I haven't been around
[02:50] <dr_willis> neither have i
[02:50] <dr_willis> been doing all this other stuff.
[02:50] <dwbell> Minataku: I'll at least look into gentoo, I've got a couple weeks till the parts are all here
[02:50] <dr_willis> &@&$@!0 wife is driving me crazy
[02:50] <knapp> No sound on reboot. What is the first course of action?
[02:50] <Minataku> Heehee
[02:50] <Minataku> dwbell: Coo
[02:50] <Minataku> dr_willis: Heh
[02:50] <Minataku> knapp: Cry and swear
[02:50] <dr_willis> I need to find a site of "songs" that are whistling. for her *#&*@& birds to listen to. She lost her downloads somewhere.
[02:51] <dr_willis> :)
[02:51] <Minataku> dr_willis: ...
[02:51] <dr_willis> She alwahs has to have somthing to keep her busy it seems. and it always makes more work for me
[02:51] <intelikey> Minataku the question was about needing a package "right now!"   and one could build dpkg and apt in advance, anticipating such a thing.  then if it happened use a .deb and go...     that's retarded (slowed down) in what way ?
[02:51] <Minataku> intelikey: Mixing package managers is incredibly stupid
[02:52] <Minataku> Same like mixing packages from incompatible repositories/distributions
[02:52] <dwbell> Minataku: where would you recommend someone new start with gentoo ie. stageX install?
[02:52] <knapp> minataku, and after that?
[02:52] <dr_willis> I find gentoo hard to reccomend for someone 'new' at all.
[02:52] <Minataku> dwbell: Stage 3 is all that's supported by the handbook now
[02:52] <Ace2016> intelikey: well i guess one could have a debian sid chroot somewhere and use that for stuff
[02:52] <dwbell> dr_willis: not new to linux, just gentoo
[02:52] <Minataku> dwbell: So use that then just let it recompile everything
[02:52] <intelikey> dr_willis i find it hard to reccomend
[02:53] <dr_willis> I dident ever see much point in stage 1 or 2 at all..
[02:53] <Soth> that's because there wasn't one heh
[02:53] <Minataku> Yeah there was
[02:53] <Minataku> Stage 2 not so much
[02:53] <Minataku> Stage 3 pisses me off because it loads you up with precompiled cruft
[02:54] <Minataku> Stage 1 was great because it was absolutely minimal
[02:54] <Minataku> So it was a nice, small, fast download and you didn't have a buttload of crap
[02:54] <intelikey> "absolutely minimal"   hmmmm
[02:54] <dr_willis> and what did you really gain?
[02:54] <dr_willis> download time vs compile time?
[02:54] <Soth> starting at stage 1 built the exact same thing that's in a stage 3 tarball...
[02:54] <Minataku> dr_willis: Download time
[02:55] <Minataku> I recompiled everything from Stage 3 anyway
[02:55] <dr_willis> from what i recall.. seemed like everything got recompiled once a month anyway
[02:55] <Minataku> Because I didn't want packages built with -O0 for a 386
[02:55] <Minataku> dr_willis: I haven't done a world update in... a year now, I think
[02:56] <Minataku> You don't HAVE to update everything monthly or anything
[02:56] <intelikey> you don't have to update ubuntu either....
[02:56] <Ace2016> Minataku: yes you do, what about security
[02:56] <knapp> Is there a command to restart sound w/o rebooting?
[02:56] <Minataku> Ace2016: Update security packages alone
[02:56] <Ace2016> knapp: whats wrong with sound?
[02:57] <intelikey> knapp in the menu sound system > restart sound server
[02:57] <Minataku> Or if there are absolutely critical issues, update those apps individually
[02:57] <knapp> I rebooted and now I have no sound. Mute isn't on, volume is max
[02:57] <Minataku> knapp: Check the mixer settings
[02:57] <Minataku> The card may be muted
[02:57] <Ace2016> knapp: tried restarting again? did you update any packages?
[02:57] <Minataku> I know mine is always like that on reboot
[02:58] <knapp> I did reboot again
[02:58] <Minataku> I have to start nmixer (you'll probably have alsamixer) and turn the card volume up
[02:58] <knapp> I might have upgraded some packages. I did install rrooted.
[02:58] <youssef> Hi, after downloading updates for feisty I have troubles running Adept manager, it says that another process is using the packaging system db, even if there isn't any !!
[02:58] <knapp> I ran alsamixer and it looks fine
[02:58] <Minataku> Check the cables
[02:59] <knapp> done
[02:59] <intelikey> !adeptcrashfix | youssef
[02:59] <ubotu> youssef: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[02:59] <knapp> The reason I had to reboot is the computer froze when I tried to run rrooted.
[02:59] <Ace2016> intelikey: wouldn't rebooting fix the lockup?
[03:00] <intelikey> Ace2016 why should it ?    reboot is not the fix all in linux.   that's M$ mentality
[03:00] <Ace2016> intelikey: well won't it stop whatever app is locking the system?
[03:01] <Minataku> Adept uses a lockfile
[03:01] <intelikey> Ace2016 it's probably not an app.
[03:01] <Minataku> Unless Kubuntu cleans them all out at boot
[03:01] <Minataku> Rebooting will NEVER fix it
[03:01] <Minataku> The lockfile is there in case the program crashes
[03:01] <intelikey> Ace2016 the fuser section was just incase there actually is a process running.
[03:02] <Minataku> In which case it can't be started again without corrective maintenance
[03:02] <Ace2016> intelikey: oh ok, i was wondering what would happen if both processes tried to mess with dpkg
[03:02] <Minataku> It's like a flag that says "Something broke last time" while also acting as a convienent way of letting any other programs know that it's running
[03:02] <Minataku> Including other attempted instances of itself
 The lockfile is there in case the program crashes <<< well to some minor degree i suppose.  but more for preventing two instances of the app running at one time.
[03:03] <Minataku> intelikey: Right, but I was talking about why it will still be there after a crash or reboot
[03:03] <xGrantx> uh
[03:03] <Minataku> True, that is the secondary purpose, the primary being to prevent two instances at one time
[03:03] <xGrantx> how am I supposed to mount an SFS format hard drive?
[03:03] <Minataku> SFS?
[03:03] <dr_willis> sfs??
[03:04] <dr_willis> Sfs!??
[03:04] <dr_willis> :)
[03:04] <intelikey> brb.
[03:04] <xGrantx> that's what it says
[03:04] <xGrantx> really
[03:04] <Minataku> xGrantx: Prove it
[03:04] <dr_willis> and where did this come from?
[03:04] <dr_willis> fdisk -l gives what about the drive?
[03:04] <xGrantx> Windows formatted it
[03:04] <Billiard> hey my friend wants to use kubuntu but he has dial up, would it be pretty hard to setup the dialup modem?
[03:04] <xGrantx> with it's drive manager or something
[03:04] <dr_willis> vista?
[03:04] <xGrantx> no XP
[03:04] <Minataku> Windows can barely format NTFS
[03:04] <Minataku> :P
[03:04] <xGrantx> I know...
[03:04] <dr_willis> Cant recall ever hearing of SFS partitions befor
[03:05] <Minataku> There's no such thing
[03:05] <xGrantx> yea it doesn't show up on google
[03:05] <dr_willis> Billiard,  if the modem can work in Linux. it dhsouldent be too hard
[03:05] <xGrantx> but under system it says "SFS"
[03:05] <Minataku> xGrantx: You either have an error or you screwed something up
[03:05] <dr_willis> actually - i seem tor ecall that NTFS comehow got showned as sfs befor
[03:05] <dr_willis> try 'fdisk -l'
[03:05] <Minataku> xGrantx: Type "sudo file -zrks /dev/<name of filesystem device>"
[03:06] <Minataku> Like if it's Parition 1 on IDE channel 0, Secondary; /dev/hdb1
[03:06] <xGrantx> it's a SATA HD
[03:06] <Minataku> Then it'll be /dev/sdxn
[03:06] <xGrantx> yea it's sda
[03:06] <Minataku> Where x is the letter of the drive and n the partition number
[03:07] <Minataku> Then paste it here if it's less than 2 lines
[03:07] <xGrantx>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[03:07] <xGrantx> /dev/sda1               1      620181   312571192+  42  SFS
[03:07] <xGrantx> ugh
[03:08] <Minataku> xGrantx: Type "sudo file -zrks /dev/sda1"
[03:08] <xGrantx> what does that do?
[03:08] <Minataku> It should tell us what it really is
[03:08] <xGrantx> oh ok
[03:08] <xGrantx> because I can't format it atm
[03:08] <xGrantx> it has data on it
[03:08] <intelikey> back
[03:09] <Minataku> file(1) can be used either on regular files or block devices to attempt to determine what it is
[03:09] <dr_willis> 42 SFS The Id is the key: partition type 42 indicates that your Windows partition is a dynamic disk. 42 used to be the identifier for the (now obsolete?) Secure FileSytem, which is why fdisk is identifying the partition as SFS. You will need to convert the Dynamic disk into a Basic disk before any bootloader will recognize it. Instructions on how to do so are here (http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;en-us;q309044).
[03:09] <Minataku> dr_willis: Where you find that?
[03:09] <xGrantx> yea really...
[03:09] <xGrantx> it really is NTFS
[03:10] <dr_willis> google. :) heh
[03:10] <dr_willis> http://justlinux.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-89656.html
[03:10] <Minataku> xGrantx: Heehee
[03:10] <Minataku> dr_willis: Ah.
[03:10] <dr_willis> it is ntfs. :)
[03:10] <Minataku> xGrantx: Can you see what's on there?
[03:10] <xGrantx> well ntfs-3g can't mount it
[03:10] <xGrantx> in windows I can
[03:10] <Minataku> Figures
[03:10] <Minataku> xGrantx: Get in Windows, copy off what you need
[03:10] <Minataku> And trash that $h!t
[03:10] <xGrantx> lol
[03:11] <Minataku> Stupid proprietary Microsoft bullfart
[03:11] <Minataku> Load of farking shot is all it is
[03:11] <xGrantx> I'd like to format it to FAT32 but silly MS wouldn't let me
[03:11] <BenPA> hi all ... I got an error 17 on my dual windows / ubuntu box ... I have a live ubuntu up running ... how do I fix it
[03:11] <Minataku> Damn that no swearing rule, too
[03:11] <Minataku> BenPA: I assume you mean GRUB Error 17
[03:11] <BenPA> yes
[03:12] <Minataku> BenPA: You know, Google typically will help in these situations
[03:12] <intelikey> side note on the preceeding.   partition type has no actual barring on the file system type.   but will affect some boot loaders as well as some os mounting of the fs.
[03:12] <xGrantx> how do I format an HD into FAT32 on linux?
[03:12] <dr_willis> mkfs.vfat
[03:12] <dr_willis> i think
[03:12] <Minataku> intelikey: Except this SFS crap is probably an encrypted volume in a proprietary setup
[03:12] <BenPA>  I got an error grub 17 on my dual windows / ubuntu box ... I have a live ubuntu up running ... how do I attempt to fix it .. I tried grub-install  .. I have no /bot/grub/menu.lst .. I entered fdisk -| got a prompt but not sure what to do
[03:12] <Minataku> I think mkdosfs does it too
[03:12] <dr_willis> I was thinkign sfs was just MS misstagging a filesystem when it made it
[03:13] <xGrantx> dr_willis: yea I could see Windows doing that
[03:13] <Minataku> BenPA: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1669.html
[03:13] <Minataku> No offense, but please use Google whenever you can
[03:13] <intelikey> Minataku yes probably   but could have been over writen,  one can not tell by simply looking at the partition table.     that's all i was saying.
[03:14] <xGrantx> ok, thanks for the help
[03:14] <xGrantx> gotta reboot
[03:14] <Minataku> xGrantx: nop
[03:14] <Minataku> *np
[03:15] <BenPA> minataku I already tried and read that
[03:15] <intelikey> oooops.   isp reset.
[03:16] <Minataku> BenPA: Sorry then
[03:16] <BenPA> I did a fixmbr with a windoze disc and it now boots but I cannot get to my kubuntu partition
[03:16] <Minataku> Try this one, perhaps
[03:16] <Minataku> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1669.html
[03:16] <intelikey> !grub | BenPA
[03:16] <ubotu> BenPA: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[03:16] <Minataku> BenPA: fixmbr? You've probably trashed GRUB
[03:18] <dr_willis> well overwrote grub. :)
[03:19] <intelikey> symantic pedantic dislexic romantic....
[03:19] <intelikey> what ever.
[03:28] <emilio> In the instalation, the others options of partitioning should appear in gray... I pressed Use the whole disk hda but it didn't change to that option and did a resize of the sda
[03:29] <khaije1> anyone here have any experience w/ the kernel virtualization machine, or xen ?
[03:31] <BigMac> ANyone know of a way to make catapult open in another browser besides Konqueror?
[03:32] <Billiard> did u set the default browser
[03:34] <BigMac> yes
[03:34] <BigMac> katapult
[03:40] <intelikey> oooops   WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[03:40] <intelikey> khaije1 i don't but what's the issue ?
[03:43] <jtt> when i run adept i get an update list  anyone know what command adept uses to get that list of updates I want to get that list and put it in a file
[03:43] <intelikey> BigMac have you made any headway on the " katapult " question ?
[03:44] <intelikey> jtt you can   sudo apt-get dist-upgrade > list      and press the n key then enter.   or ctrl+c
[03:45] <jtt> intelikey, thanks a lot
[03:45] <khaije1> intelikey: i'm very interested in the technologies and was wondering about a comparison between the two w/ as much detail as possible, inc. anecdotal experiences
[03:46] <khaije1> intelikey: they both seem very strong and i'm surprised i don't hear more about them, for my next machine i'm experimenting w/ the idea of virtualizing large parts of it
[03:46] <intelikey> khaije1 well,  i would be as useless as the tits on a boar hog    so i'll just leave that alone.
[03:46] <khaije1> uhm... ?
[03:48] <zblach> hey all. quick question: when I try to add a printer through system settings, it just locks up. is there a way around this?
[03:48] <BigMac> intelikey: No I haven't, do you have any suggestions?
[03:49] <intelikey> BigMac maybe.     ls -l /usr/bin/x-www-browser     see what it's aimed at.
[03:50] <intelikey> BigMac i'm not sure kde recognizes that    but it may.   if it does you can point that at what you want to open.
[03:50] <BigMac> it outputted a line, mind if I pm you it?
[03:51] <intelikey> zblach yeah.     web-browser   go to   127.0.0.1:631
[03:51] <intelikey> BigMac sure.
[03:51] <zblach> intelikey: times out
[03:51] <zblach> no firewall either
[03:52] <intelikey> BigMac only the last "word" of that output is important...   so follow the link to it's end point.   ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser
[03:52] <intelikey> zblach you have cupsys installed ?        and is it running ?
[03:53] <zblach> cupsys is installed
[03:53] <zblach> and cupsd is running
[03:53] <zblach> but till, timeout
[03:53] <intelikey> zblach not running dapper are you ?
[03:53] <zblach> feisty
[03:55] <intelikey> zblach well i honestly hope not, but that sounds just like the bug in dapper.   someone keeps re-introducing the same bug back into the packages.   was in hoary, was fixed in breezy, reappeared in dapper in an update of all things.   and i quit tracking it...   but that's exactly what it would do.
[03:56] <zblach> intelikey: what did you do for a fix in the end?
[03:56] <intelikey> i haven't.
[03:56] <zblach> hrm
[03:57] <zblach> any clue as to where I should look next?
[03:57] <zblach> get the sources and recompile?
[03:58] <BigMac> intelikey: what about that?
[03:58] <intelikey> zblach but you can check if there have been any updates of   cupsys foomatic-db* or gutenprint*     if so try them.  or try the older version and see if it's there also.
[03:59] <intelikey> one can regress a version if needed.
[04:00] <intelikey> BigMac yes that's it.    try  sudo update-alternatives x-www-browser config        i think that's the command.
[04:00] <zblach> i see no updates
[04:00] <zblach> and i don't think there's been an update since the feisty release
[04:01] <intelikey> zblach you can try the source.  i make no promices about it though.
[04:01] <zblach> ok
[04:01] <zblach> sure
[04:03] <BigMac> intelikey: nah, not the command
[04:03] <intelikey> man update-alternatives
[04:04] <intelikey> or jsut edit the symlink...  that's what i do.
[04:04] <BigMac> how do I do the latter?
[04:05] <intelikey> sudo rm /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser ;ln -s /usr/bin/<firefox> /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser      (note that <firefox> is example only and would need to be an actual filename.  without <>
[04:05] <intelikey> ooops  sudo the ln  also.
[04:07] <Joxam> Hello, cats.
[04:07] <Joxam> I need some help
[04:07] <Joxam> I have FF, and i need to configure something
[04:07] <Joxam> but I forget how.
[04:07] <Joxam> I have a tv tuner card, and it is registering as an 'unknown device'
[04:07] <Joxam> I got it to work before
[04:07] <Joxam> but forgot where I changed something
[04:08] <Joxam> all I need to do is change it from 0 = Unknown device to 4 which equals my card
[04:09] <Joxam> So...
[04:09] <Joxam> No one.
[04:09] <Joxam> hmm.
[04:09] <intelikey> Joxam any of these addresses sound right ?   /etc/modprobe.d/    /etc/X11/xorg.conf    /etc/udev/   ?
[04:09] <Joxam> No no.
[04:09] <Joxam> It was somehting I had to change in console
[04:09] <Joxam> and option
[04:10] <Joxam> like, just have it change from 0 to 4
[04:10] <Joxam> I have a tv wonder pro
[04:10] <Joxam> and that is 4
[04:10] <Joxam> on the list
[04:10] <Joxam> of cards
[04:10] <Joxam> SOrry, I'll stop typing like that.
[04:10] <Joxam> I just hit enter a lot when I'm thinking fast.
[04:10] <zblach> intelikey: compiled from source. built, installed, and still nothing
[04:10] <intelikey> Joxam not in  /proc/   was it ?
[04:10] <zblach> i'll bug the cups dudes about it
[04:11] <intelikey> zblach good luck with it.
[04:11] <zblach> thanks
[04:11] <zblach> if i make any headway, want me to tell you about it?
[04:11] <intelikey> yes
[04:13] <intelikey> Joxam one other place comes to mind,   /boot/config*     but that would only be if you are rebuilding the kernel to support it.
[04:13] <Billiard> hey in what folder can i find "Microsoft Windows PostScript drivers from a Windows 2000 or higher system"
[04:14] <intelikey> Billiard one question,   why ?      but at any rate   ##windows   might be the place for that Q
[04:15] <Billiard> im reading this guide to share a printer to windows
[04:15] <Billiard> it says i need to copy those files to a folder on my linux system
[04:16] <intelikey> hmmm ok.    well that makes some sense,  i guess.       but it doesn't tell you the name ?
[04:16] <Billiard> it tells me a folder
[04:16] <Billiard> but in that folder my windows system doesnt have to files
[04:16] <Billiard> those*
[04:17] <intelikey> those files ?     which files ?
[04:17] <Billiard> ps5ui.dll
[04:17] <Billiard>     pscript.hlp
[04:17] <Billiard>     pscript.ntf
[04:17] <Billiard>     pscript5.dll
[04:18] <intelikey> if it tells you the name of the file/s you can `find /mountpoint/ -iname [pscript.hlp,pscript.ntf,pscript5.dll]  `
[04:19] <intelikey> find / -iname pscript*
[04:19] <intelikey> find / -iname pscript* 2>/dev/null               i like clean output.
[04:20] <intelikey> oh i missed the first one.   sorry.   find / -iname ps5ui.dll 2>/dev/null
[04:22] <intelikey> and using the mountpoint would help that greatly, also sub-dirs in that mountpoint...    find /media/hda1/windows/system32/ -iname ps5ui.dll   for example.
[04:23] <intelikey> so it doesn't search the entire trillion gigabites of storage you have
[04:23] <dr_willis> ;loc
[04:23] <dr_willis> oops :0
[04:23] <dr_willis> heh
[04:24] <Joxam> does video4linux have an irc channel?
[04:24] <intelikey> 1024^1024bytes
[04:25] <intelikey> wow.  did you know bc will actually compute that...
[04:26] <zach> Greets, everyone. Was wondering if someone could give me some help with getting the Bluetooth running on my laptop. I've done a fair amount of googling and haven't really gotten anywhere, and I did "lspci" and nothing came up indicating it's recognizing the Bluetooth adapter. Should I take this to mean it's not supported?
[04:26] <dr_willis> !calc 1024^1024
[04:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about calc 1024^1024 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:26] <dr_willis> bummer
[04:26] <intelikey> big number.   math -s '1024^1024 +1' | wc -c
[04:26] <intelikey> 3174
[04:26] <intelikey> it's 3174 digits long
[04:28] <AstroGirl> Hi all, I have a fresh install of Kubuntu Feisty - and a really bad memory - can someone tell me which package to get so I can compile a tar.bz2?
[04:28] <dr_willis> build-essential
[04:29] <AstroGirl> brilliant, thanks dr_willis!
[04:29] <dr_willis> its only asked in here like 12 times a day :)
[04:29] <Arwen> the mplayer distributed with Ubuntu is way too old... is there anywhere I can get a recent build from?
[04:30] <max> yo how do i go to ubuntu irc?
[04:30] <dr_willis> ya mean to #ubuntu ?
[04:30] <max> yeah
[04:30] <dr_willis>  /join #channelname
[04:30] <max> im a nooob
[04:30] <dr_willis> irc basics :)
[04:30] <dr_willis> !irc
[04:30] <ubotu> A list of official Ubuntu IRC channels, as well as IRC clients for Ubuntu, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat - For a general list of !freenode channels, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist - See also !Guidelines
[04:31] <max> thx
[04:32] <Arwen> ...
[04:32] <zach> Has anyone in here had any luck getting Bluetooth running in Feisty?
[04:32] <BenPA> can anyone tell me how I can just reinstall the os ... I was running out of space tried to resize and screwed it up but all I need is to maybe try and reinstall the os
[04:32] <intelikey> i have a major problem with bash       in dapper bash is worthless.    it expands ' * '  as if you typed   *
[04:33] <zach> BenPA: Just pop in the installation disc and reboot.
[04:33] <Quinn_Storm> works fine ootb here, zach , chipset?
[04:33] <intelikey> BenPA reinstall is just like install
[04:33] <Arwen> the mplayer distributed with Ubuntu is way too old... is there anywhere I can get a recent build from?
[04:34] <zach> Quinn_Storm: Umm, for the Bluetooth adapter? Not sure. Ran lspci and didn't find anything, and also briefly looked through KInfoCenter and couldn't find anything of relevance.
[04:34] <Quinn_Storm> and you're sure its enabled? check for a button or switch that turns it on/off, sometimes it won't show up unless the switch is on
[04:34] <Quinn_Storm> (presuming its a laptop)
[04:35] <Arwen> god damn it...
[04:36] <RodGo> hi all
[04:36] <RodGo>  i need some help
[04:36] <zach> There's a little switch with a light and the Bluetooth logo next to it, but when I hold it, the light doesn't come on.
[04:36] <RodGo> please
[04:36] <Quinn_Storm> hmm, strange, I don't know...what brand/model laptop, zach ?
[04:37] <zach> Acer Aspire 3620. Tried googling that model number along with bluetooth and ubuntu, and saw a couple articles suggesting it will work, but not really with any details.
[04:38] <zach> Should it be showing up in the output of lspci if it's supported?
[04:38] <Quinn_Storm> hmm...and (I know dumb question) your sure there is a working bluetooth module in it? sometimes models can come with or without
[04:38] <Quinn_Storm> and as for lspci, no, mine doesn't either and I've used it
[04:39] <RodGo> hi all
[04:39] <RodGo> i need some help please
[04:39] <zach> To be honest, I'm just assuming there is one because of the switch with the Bluetooth logo next to it, but I'm not positive. The laptop was given to me, so I can't really be sure.
[04:39] <BluesKaj> RodGo: just ask
[04:39] <titanix88> RodGo: what help?
[04:39] <Quinn_Storm> ah ok, zach ... you could always try the evil OS to test
[04:39] <RodGo> i am using kubuntu feisty and just installed beryl
[04:40] <RodGo> i think i installed it badly and tryed to reinstall
[04:40] <Quinn_Storm> did you use the packages, RodGo ?
[04:40] <zach> What's it show up as in your /dev folder, Quinn_Storm?
[04:40] <Quinn_Storm> (the ones in universe)
[04:40] <RodGo> and now, when i open beryl, its like i have like 20 panels
[04:40] <RodGo> insted of just the 4 faces of the cube
[04:41] <RodGo> the first time, i used the sudo apt-get beryl beryl-manager emerald-themes
[04:41] <Quinn_Storm> zach: nothing, but use 'hciconfig' to look up the bluetooth interfaces
[04:41] <titanix88> RodGo: O _O
[04:41] <RodGo> then i tried to unisntall with the same command but with remove
[04:41] <RodGo> and reinstalled with adept
[04:41] <RodGo> i can take a screen man this is crazy
[04:42] <RodGo> and if i kill beryl or use kWin isntead, it works just fine
[04:42] <Quinn_Storm> sure, you probably just have to tweak the settings
[04:42] <zach> Just tried "$ hciconfig up" and it said "Can't get device info: No such device"
[04:42] <RodGo> i searched everywhere man, can you givme a clue?
[04:42] <Quinn_Storm> zach: just do 'hciconfig -a'
[04:43] <Quinn_Storm> RodGo: post that screenshot plz
[04:43] <RodGo> k wait
[04:43] <titanix88> RodGo: probably try at #ubuntu-effects sorry, no clue :(
[04:43] <zach> K... Ran that and it didn't give any output, and the KDE-Bluetooth logo in the systray is still grayed-out.
[04:43] <Darkkish> http://www.hallpass.com/media/beerstand.html lol all of you guys have to watch tisd
[04:43] <Darkkish> this*
[04:44] <Quinn_Storm> ok, zach , sounds like it at least can't find it, but it could be there, the interface is invisible when acpi has it shut off
[04:44] <RodGo> aight
[04:44] <RodGo> this is the screen
[04:44] <RodGo> http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/9760/instantnea1zb6.png
[04:45] <zach> Ok... How would I go about getting acpi to start it up?
[04:45] <Quinn_Storm> usually that's where you push the button
[04:45] <Quinn_Storm> also google for acer acpi stuff
[04:45] <Quinn_Storm> like acer acpi bluetooth or something
[04:46] <sunnyhours> is dvd::rip capable of ripping a dvd to an .iso file?
[04:46] <sunnyhours> anyone know?
[04:46] <RodGo> any ideas Quinn_Storm?
[04:46] <phishinphree> hey all.  I've been having network troubles since I reinstalled kubuntu last week.  The server takes about 7 seconds or so to reply to a web request.  I've tried turning off ipv6 and I have changed my network configuration, wires, and nic card but the problem persists.  any suggestions?
[04:46] <Quinn_Storm> RodGo: well the first idea that comes to mind is that kde's pager doesn't (in general) work right with beryl
[04:46] <Quinn_Storm> I'd say try just dropping the pager from your taskbar for now
[04:47] <zach> RodGo: That's what the pager looks like after you start Beryl?
[04:47] <Quinn_Storm> zach: not usually, that's a weird bug, probably in his pager, haven't seen it before, but kde's pager and beryl do not work well together
[04:47] <titanix88> flame me for using gnome but beryl is a lot better with default ubuntu theme.
[04:48] <Quinn_Storm> well the theme that comes with the beryl in universe is pretty ugly
[04:48] <Quinn_Storm> (I think)
[04:48] <zach> Yeah, I've noticed that. I actually use a script to kill and restart Beryl every time I turn Beryl off.
[04:49] <zach> restart Kicker*
[04:49] <Quinn_Storm> personally in kubuntu/kde, I've come to like the emerald theme 'sky'
[04:49] <RodGo> yes zach
[04:49] <RodGo> the pager looks like that
[04:49] <xGrantx> do I have to add any params to mkdosfs to format a hard drive to FAT32?
[04:50] <xGrantx> besides the device
[04:50] <Quinn_Storm> -F 32
[04:50] <xGrantx> oh ok
[04:51] <dogatemycomputer> phishinphree: i'm sorry to hear it.. network problems are hard to diagnose..
[04:52] <wersdaluv> has anyone here successfully ran synce-kde on kubuntu feisty?
[04:52] <zach> Quinn_Storm: BTW, are you THE Quinn Storm?
[04:52] <Quinn_Storm> indeed, zach
[04:52] <titanix88> can anyone predict a stable 3d(beryl+compiz) in future?
[04:52] <Quinn_Storm> yes, titanix88 , it is on its way
[04:53] <zach> Quinn_Storm: I'm sure you get this question all the time, but where can I find out the status of the merge?
[04:53] <wersdaluv> does raki work with kubuntu feisty?
[04:54] <Quinn_Storm> zach: well...mostly asking people in #opencompositing-dev and on opencompositing.org where we're busily working on it...I"m running the merged code now, and we're all hacking on it
[04:56] <zach> Has a new name been settled on yet, or was it decided to keep the old names?
[04:56] <titanix88> Quinn_Storm: wow u r beryl/compiz developer? what an honour to me u(if u aren't kidding)!
[04:56] <scififan> lol
[04:56] <Quinn_Storm> the new name discussion is in the works, zach
[04:56] <Quinn_Storm> titanix88: its no honor, I'm just a regular gal, but I am not kidding
[04:57] <phishinphree> dogatemycomputer: Its strange since everything was working fine a week ago when an earlier version of kubuntu.  I'm thinking of switching over to fc7
[04:57] <scififan> it's funny how some people see programmers as almost rock stars
[04:58] <phishinphree> i can't live with a 7 second latency when loading a local web page
[04:58] <zach> Well, given how many people consider programming as an "art," it kinda makes sense.
[04:58] <AstroGirl> !mp3
[04:58] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:58] <Quinn_Storm> it is an art, but I'm no master
[04:58] <rolnyzx> anybody uses yakuake here? What's the shortcut for a new tab? Konsole's ctrl + alt + n doesn't work
[04:59] <phishinphree> its funny how some people can't paint or plau music but they can program very well.  Im a coder but most def. not an artist
[04:59] <Quinn_Storm> there are many kinds of art
[04:59] <Quinn_Storm> there are plenty of songwriters who couldn't paint a cube
[04:59] <dogatemycomputer> phishinphree: i had a similar problem a while back that was solved by a rebuild and I haven't seen it since.
[05:00] <Quinn_Storm> http://www.opencompositing.org/viewtopic.php?t=478&f=46 - here's the name thread btw
[05:00] <dogatemycomputer> phishinphree: i'm not a fan of Fedora (or most of the RPM based systems).  Seems everytime its installed and working I start to suffer from dependency hell..
[05:00] <phishinphree> weird.  I must have caught your bug when i rebuilt :-)
[05:01] <phishinphree> yeah, i've run into the dependency issues before working with redhat.  seems to be getting a little better as of late tho
[05:01] <xGrantx> uh, mkdosfs didn't seem to work...
[05:01] <zach> Quinn_Storm: Are there any major changes we can expect in the next release, and any rough estimate of when it'll be out? (Sorry if I'm asking too many questions. Just tell me to shut up when it's getting on your nerves. :D )
[05:01] <dogatemycomputer> Quinn_Storm: it does take a certain amount of skill and intelligence to be a good programmer though.  Have to see things from a different perspective.  I personally admire most coders..
[05:01] <rolnyzx> found it <ctrl> <shift> n
[05:02] <intelikey> xGrantx sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/<devicenode>
[05:02] <Quinn_Storm> zach: I'm ok, and I really don't have an answer to those questions, sorry
[05:02] <xGrantx> intelikey: I did that
[05:02] <zach> No problem
[05:02] <intelikey> xGrantx and it said what ?
[05:02] <xGrantx> it said
[05:02] <xGrantx> "mkdosfs 2.11 (12 Mar 2005)"
[05:02] <xGrantx> that's it
[05:02] <dogatemycomputer> phishinphree: well.. I just formatted over a Suse 10.2 installation.. partially because of my disgust over the Microsoft deal.. but the dependency hell was a problem too.  I don't think its going away anytime soon although I would be willing to switch if they would standardize on a single type of package management system for all platforms.
[05:03] <zach> Well, I need to get off here. Thanks for the help, Quinn_Storm. Nice meeting/chatting with you. Peace.
[05:03] <intelikey> xGrantx good it's done
[05:03] <Quinn_Storm> sure, zach
[05:03] <xGrantx> well I listed the devices again and it's still NFTS format
[05:03] <xGrantx> *NTFS
[05:03] <Quinn_Storm> xGrantx: the partition is probably still set to ntfs type
[05:03] <Quinn_Storm> not sure though
[05:04] <xGrantx> so how do I fix that?
[05:04] <xGrantx> I probably can't just restart like windows
[05:05] <intelikey> xGrantx what do you men "listed the device " ?
[05:05] <xGrantx> fdisk -l
[05:05] <intelikey> that only lists the partition table.  has nothing to do with what fs is on it.
[05:06] <xGrantx> oh
[05:06] <intelikey> sudo cfdisk /dev/<device>    and change the partition type if you like.
[05:06] <xGrantx> how do I change it?
[05:06] <xGrantx> just with that command?
[05:06] <intelikey> it's a no brainer.  run the app.
[05:07] <intelikey> yep,  interactive
[05:07] <xGrantx> oh ok
[05:07] <xGrantx> heh
[05:07] <xGrantx> thanks
[05:08] <home_> hello
[05:08] <home_> n e 1 from around oklahoma
[05:09] <intelikey> yo, home. sup.
[05:09] <home_> not much new to this chat
[05:09] <raymond> anyone have luck getting a linksys WPC54GS working
[05:09] <raymond> ?
[05:10] <home_> what is it first?
[05:10] <chuck> !mouse
[05:10] <raymond> PCMCIA Wireless card
[05:10] <ubotu> Enabling extra mouse buttons: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto  - Enabling serial mouse: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto
[05:10] <home_> sorry no
[05:10] <dogatemycomputer> !pcmcia
[05:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pcmcia - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:10] <dogatemycomputer> !wireless
[05:10] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:11] <raymond> i've used ndiswrapper to load a driver and it shows up in System Settings but whenever i try enabling it doesnt work
[05:12] <home_> i got a question for 1 of u computer guys
[05:12] <dogatemycomputer> raymond: http://www.kosmaczewski.net/blogs/tech/archives/2006/02/how_to_install_1.php might help
[05:13] <dogatemycomputer> raymond: it appears the card works well with the NDIS wrapper..
[05:13] <intelikey> are they like machine men ?
[05:13] <home_> lol
[05:13] <raymond> yeah i read that too hence my confusion as to why it isnt working
[05:13] <dogatemycomputer> intelikey: lol
[05:13] <intelikey> home_ just ask you Q.
[05:13] <intelikey> :)
[05:13] <raymond> probably typed something wrong
[05:14] <dogatemycomputer> raymond: i've never had a wireless card that didn't just work out of the box once the O/S was installed so i'm sorry :(
[05:15] <GrueTamer> hi BluesKaj
[05:15] <home_> i am new to linux
[05:15] <BluesKaj> hey GrueTamer
[05:15] <dogatemycomputer> raymond: what inf file did you use?
[05:15] <dogatemycomputer> raymond: sudo ndiswrapper -i /cdrom/linksys/drivers/w2k/lsbcmnds.inf
[05:15] <BluesKaj> GrueTamer: yer it !
[05:15] <raymond> LSBCMNDS.inf
[05:16] <dogatemycomputer> raymond: from the w2k directory?
[05:16] <raymond> yup
[05:16] <intelikey> did i miss home_ 's question, durring my modem reset ?
[05:16] <BluesKaj> lesbian commands ad infinitum...ooo...kinda riske' for a linux bunch
[05:16] <dogatemycomputer> raymond: in that case I assume you depmod and modprobe-d.. right?
[05:17] <Stratys> good evening
[05:17] <raymond> yup, followed the ndiswrapper how to
[05:17] <dogatemycomputer> raymond: sorry dude..
[05:17] <Stratys> Does anyone know anything about converting avi's to dvd to play in a home player?
[05:17] <dogatemycomputer> raymond: lol.. i didn't read the howto so i was just making sure ..
[05:18] <raymond> like i said i probably typed something wrong.. just need to go through it again step by step
[05:18] <intelikey> home_ don't take my antics so seriously.  i get playful now and when.   if you need help with something just ask.  that's what the channel is for.
[05:19] <dogatemycomputer> lol.. I didn't even realize he failed to ask the question..
[05:19] <raymond> hmm ndiswrapper -l says that there is an alternate driver install (bcm43xx) wonder if that is what could be the issue...
[05:19] <BluesKaj> we're waiting for home
[05:19] <intelikey> dogatemycomputer well my modem reset and i could have missed it...
[05:19] <home_> oh sorry i got lost in my com for a min
[05:20] <dogatemycomputer> raymond: I do remember reading something about the wrong driver loading and you have to blacklist one of them to get the correct driver to load..
[05:20] <home_> well i was runnin xp rite
[05:20] <home_> it crashed big surprise
[05:21] <home_> when com starts it tells me to replace hard drive because failure is imenient
[05:21] <dogatemycomputer> raymond: there is a particular line in the ndiswrapper docs somewhere that tells you to type something, then you get a response and the response "looks right" but its not exactly what's in the documentation.. and you have to blacklist the one that responded and force it to load the correct one.  I don't remember specifics..
[05:21] <home_> but linux says nothing wrong
[05:21] <home_> y
[05:22] <raymond> looking through documentation for it
[05:22] <raymond> i had a page up that had something about it but i closed firefox and lost it
[05:22] <intelikey> home_ oooh yuch...  windows thinks it's gonna blow chuncks...     dik. home_ but linux is not windows don't expect anything about them to be ==    if you'd like to test the hd linux has apps/utils for that...
[05:23] <dogatemycomputer> home_: i've installed linux on machines that wouldn't even boot under XP.
[05:23] <intelikey> errr dik/idk ^
[05:23] <dogatemycomputer> home_: linux is much more forgiving in many cases..
[05:23] <intelikey> typos can get ugly.
[05:24] <home_> i really like it
[05:24] <dogatemycomputer> home_: heck.. i'm working on a machine now with a busted CD drive that we couldn't install windows on but I was able to get the net install to complete successfully with linux.
[05:24] <home_> linux that is
[05:24] <BluesKaj> dogatemycomputer: prolly lost the windows mbr
[05:24] <intelikey> idk = i don't know   btw.
[05:24] <intelikey> btw = by the way   btw.
[05:24] <home_> i know
[05:24] <dogatemycomputer> BluesKaj: what probably lost the MBR?
[05:24] <intelikey> :)
[05:24] <raymond> dogatemycomputer: i think that is what the problem is
[05:24] <dogatemycomputer> home_: do a disk check and stick with linux if Windows is being so fussy..
[05:25] <home_> i am
[05:25] <BluesKaj> windows did , dogatemycomputer
[05:25] <raymond> dogatemycomputer: i think that the bcm43xx is not supposed to be being used
[05:25] <home_> i am havin trouble gettin wine to run my file share program
[05:25] <dogatemycomputer> raymond: then can't you add it to the blacklist?
[05:25] <dogatemycomputer> raymond: i'm just guessing here.  i'm a total noob ;)
[05:26] <dbglt> is there a usable kde4 package for kubuntu?
[05:26] <raymond> dogatemycomputer: so am i
[05:26] <BluesKaj> !fileshare
[05:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fileshare - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:26] <dogatemycomputer> BluesKaj: the machine that wouldn't boot under windows actually had a bad USB port which would cause Windows to simply blue screen every few minutes..  linux registered the error and ignored it..
[05:26] <raymond> going to try blacklisting it
[05:26] <dogatemycomputer> home_: what file shareing program are you using?
[05:27] <home_> not sure how do i find out
[05:27] <BluesKaj> yeah, i figured windows was to blame :)
[05:27] <home_> i have kubuntu runin now
[05:27] <dogatemycomputer> home_: well.. what do you want to do exactly?  what application are you trying to use with Wine?
[05:27] <intelikey> home_  konsole command    man badblocks      well prolly   man man  them man what ever else.     anyway badblocks can be ran on the disk or a partition thereof.   and in readonly mode will not "hurt" anything, but only reveal the badblocks it finds.      not a bad idea if you want to be sure.
[05:27] <home_> it is mp3rocketpro
[05:28] <dogatemycomputer> home_: give me a sec to look.. k?
[05:28] <home_> its for windows
[05:29] <intelikey> word.  samba
[05:29] <home_> i have that i think
[05:29] <home_> open it with samba
[05:29] <intelikey> !samba
[05:29] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[05:30] <intelikey> !swat
[05:30] <intelikey> ooops
[05:30] <intelikey> !info swat
[05:30] <ubotu> swat: Samba Web Administration Tool. In component main, is optional. Version 3.0.24-2ubuntu1.2 (feisty), package size 800 kB, installed size 2180 kB
[05:31] <intelikey> not sure that will help you but i always try to think of a non-M$ way to get from point * to point [A-z] 
[05:31] <dogatemycomputer> home_: it looks like they have a linux download available..
[05:32] <home_> where
[05:32] <dogatemycomputer> home_: have you logged in and tried to download the linux version if its available for pro?
[05:32] <dogatemycomputer> home_: www.mp3rocketpro.com
[05:32] <home_> havent found it
[05:32] <titanix88> Quinn_Storm : is there any dapper repository from which i can install directly? also, why they are specific hardware / server based? A lot of graPHICS CARDS out there supports opengl.
[05:32] <raymond> ok how do i create a file with text already in it. because i can't chmod the blacklist file
[05:32] <Quinn_Storm> titanix88: huh?
[05:33] <intelikey> titanix88 install what   i'll check the repos  ?
[05:33] <dogatemycomputer> home_: it won't let me get past the initial screen unless I login and I don't have an account and I don't want to give them my credit card information.  There should be a "RPM" download..
[05:33] <titanix88> Quinn_Storm : about beryl / compiz ofcourse.
[05:33] <home_> use mine ok
[05:33] <Quinn_Storm> titanix88: dapper is not exactly supported
[05:34] <intelikey> Quinn_Storm ?
[05:34] <intelikey> by beryl or by this channel ?
[05:34] <titanix88> Quinn_Storm  : why not? it's the best stable ubuntu out there.
[05:34] <Quinn_Storm> titanix88: its too olod
[05:34] <Quinn_Storm> old
[05:34] <Quinn_Storm> intelikey: beryl
[05:34] <intelikey> about to say.
[05:35] <dogatemycomputer> raymond: you should be able to blacklist modueles by editing the file with a text editor.  "sudo mcedit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist"
[05:35] <raymond> i tried with vim and it wont let me save it because it is only read only
[05:35] <dogatemycomputer> home_: email it to dogatemycomputer@gmail.com
[05:35] <intelikey> yeah dapper is almost a year old now.   it's ancient     laughs...
[05:35] <titanix88> Quinn_Storm : i upgraded it to 6.06.3 how about that?
[05:35] <dogatemycomputer> home_: you can change the password in 10 minutes.. I don't want to keep it.
[05:36] <Quinn_Storm> titanix88: if its dapper its dapper, but check beryl-project.org for info
[05:37] <raymond> nevermind
[05:37] <intelikey> titanix88 however.  beryl is not supported in this channel.    "just policy"
[05:37] <raymond> fingers failed me yet again and i didnt type chmod command correctly
[05:37] <home_> ok dog it will take a minute
[05:37] <aib> is there a fast host that I can download the kubuntu dvd from?
[05:38] <dogatemycomputer> raymond: i'm not sure you should chmod that file though..
[05:38] <intelikey> aib nl. is pretty hot.
[05:38] <titanix88> intelikey : i forgot i have to put "kubuntu" word in my every line to get a support here :p
[05:38] <raymond> im changing it back to the permissions it is supposed to have
[05:38] <aib> tx
[05:38] <raymond> i just couldnt write to it
[05:38] <dogatemycomputer> raymond: ahhhhhh
[05:38] <raymond> and now it is back at read only
[05:38] <intelikey> titanix88 it's not that.  it's that there is a support channel for that.
[05:39] <intelikey> !beryl | titanix88
[05:39] <ubotu> titanix88: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[05:39] <aib> 500KB. that's 10 times better than I got w/ the US host. thanks
[05:39] <intelikey> aib you bet.
[05:40] <home_> ok sent dog
[05:41] <dogatemycomputer> home_: give me a minute..
[05:41] <dogatemycomputer> home_: i'll brb
[05:41] <home_> k
[05:42] <dogatemycomputer> home_: okay.. still there?
[05:43] <home_> yep
[05:43] <dogatemycomputer> home_: okay.. go to www.mp3rocketpro.com -> click on LOGIN -> login -> click on the little penguin on the right hand side (should say something like, "Linux Users Click Here".. and then follow the instructions
[05:44] <home_> r u serious i am that dum
[05:44] <home_> doh
[05:44] <dogatemycomputer> home_: you there?
[05:44] <home_> yep
[05:44] <dogatemycomputer> home_: nevermind.. don't.. it just refers you to the limewire site so you can install the Limewire client.
[05:44] <dogatemycomputer> home_: since that's the case..
[05:44] <home_> ah i thought so
[05:44] <intelikey> titanix88 and i wasn't trying to chase you out of here either.    just pointing out the structure of the support channels.     it's like they don't support kde in #ubuntu   reason is basically to keep the questions as answerable as possable.   when it's busy in any channel you don't want a thousand topics scrolling by or you'll enter the command that someone accidently sent you that was intended for someone else...      th
[05:45] <intelikey> did i type that much..........
[05:45] <dogatemycomputer> home_: you can download the debian version of the LImewire package directly from Limewire's site..  www.limewire.com
[05:45] <titanix88> intelikey : ok i get it.
[05:46] <home_> will it work with my subscript to mp3
[05:46] <dr_willis> Hmm. I got a lot of files with messed up permissions  on a filesystem.  got files next to dirs that are all marked executable (files that is) even tho they are jpgs and so forth. if i chmod -x *, then i also tag the dirs.   whats the proper way to Unexecutate the files but not the dirs
[05:46] <home_> prob not huh
[05:46] <dogatemycomputer> home_: Here is the link http://www.limewire.com/download/download.php?version=linux_deb
[05:47] <dogatemycomputer> home_: it should since they're the ones directing you to the installation
[05:47] <home_> thanks ill do it brb
[05:47] <dogatemycomputer> home_: if you're not sure then follow their instructions to download the software from their site
[05:48] <home_> ok its down loadin
[05:49] <home_> linux is so much more fun than windows
[05:49] <scififan> lol
[05:49] <home_> its true
[05:49] <dogatemycomputer> home_: download the RPM, save it to your desktop then "sudo apt-get install alien && sudo alien -d --scripts ~/Desktop/*.rpm && sudo dpkg -i ~/Desktop/*.deb"
[05:49] <GrueTamer> home_: yup :)
[05:50] <home_> do i have to do that somewhere
[05:50] <dogatemycomputer> home_: "sudo apt-get install alien" will install a utilty that converts rpm packages to debian
[05:50] <intelikey> dr_willis not a really good way.   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/37065    something like that maybe.
[05:50] <home_> doh
[05:50] <dogatemycomputer> home_: "sudo alien -d --scripts *.rpm" .. -d tells it to convert the package to debian and --scripts tells it to convert the script if needed
[05:51] <intelikey> dr_willis find works well there also  i think i wrote that script about 5 or six years ago while learning bash....   so look before you leap.
[05:51] <dogatemycomputer> home_: "dpkg -i ~/Desktop/*.deb" tells the package manager to install any debian packages found on your desktop (so make sure limewire is the only one)
[05:51] <dr_willis> intelikey,  was hopping chmod had a 'ignore dirs' option.
[05:51] <scififan> alien is an ugly solution... why not just find a .deb pkg or compile it from source
[05:51] <dr_willis> guess this explains why i never noticed it. :)
[05:51] <intelikey> :)
[05:51] <dogatemycomputer> scififan: because its easier and works for this specific problem.
[05:52] <dogatemycomputer> scififan: the only package you can download is the RPM.  It doesn't give you access to the source.
[05:52] <scififan> then it's not worth using IMO
[05:52] <hitmanWilly> limewire is only free as in beer, and even then its a castrated version
[05:53] <home_> ok i guess i cant just click on it huh
[05:53] <scififan> there are better ways to find stuff than using limewire
[05:53] <home_> oh really how sci
[05:53] <dogatemycomputer> scififan: do you have any other suggestions for home?
[05:53] <hitmanWilly> alternatively, i think you can install rpm on ubuntu iirc
[05:53] <scififan> depends on what it is you're seeking
[05:53] <dogatemycomputer> scififan: apparently music.. and lots of it ;)
[05:53] <home_> music and movies
[05:54] <intelikey> WARNING! warez clearance sale.   get all your warez at  127.0.0.1
[05:54] <hitmanWilly> lol...
[05:54] <dogatemycomputer> intelikey: you're funny :(
[05:54] <scififan> while i'm all for free source code and free computing environments, dl'ing music and movies is off limits IMO
[05:54] <dogatemycomputer> :)
[05:55] <jfrerichs> anyone know how to get my logitech mouse to auto connect in kubuntu?
[05:55] <intelikey> :)
[05:55] <dogatemycomputer> home_: in that case.. if you feel comfortable.. you can try limewire.com first and see if their free version does what you like otherwise follow the instructions from mp3pro :)
[05:56] <home_> hey guys i tried to install package and it asks for a password but i cant type anything
[05:56] <soulrider> intelikey: i never payed for anything while in windows, but now i dont need to pirate anything ebcasue everything is free :)
[05:56] <dogatemycomputer> home_: it hides what you're typing so you can't see it.
[05:56] <hitmanWilly> home_: did you try hitting enter
[05:56] <intelikey> home yes you can.   it doesn't echo passwords.
[05:56] <home_> oh it does cool
[05:57] <home_> ill try it
[05:57] <soulrider> i just tried installign windows in my machine, and it doesnt want to install :( :P
[05:57] <soulrider> it also decided to murder my grub
[05:57] <jfrerichs> super grub
[05:57] <home_> hey its unpackin thanks
[05:57] <scififan> why would you want windows anyway....:)
[05:58] <hitmanWilly> soulrider: grub you can fix...windows is another story :P
[05:58] <home_> mine too soul then my windows crashed
[05:58] <intelikey> soulrider heh.    feels better to be able to say.    "nan na, nan na, na na..."  and know you didn't do anything illeagle doesn't it   :)
[05:58] <dogatemycomputer> soulrider: no windows! bad!!
[05:58] <dogatemycomputer> soulrider: bad soulrider!
[05:58] <soulrider> lol
[05:58] <home_> is it good porn dog
[05:58] <soulrider> io just wanted to play resident evil 4 a bit
[05:58] <jfrerichs> anyone know how to get my logitech mouse to auto connect in kubuntu?  ive tried editing the /etc/default/bluetooth file nothing
[05:58] <raymond> dogatemycomputer: that was the problem got rid of that driver and re-depod and modprobed and success
[05:59] <home_> how do i run it now
[06:00] <dogatemycomputer> home_: yeah
[06:00] <hitmanWilly> home_: try typing limewire in a console
[06:00] <dogatemycomputer> soulrider: so you need your fix eh?  honestly.. i don't know.. does it even work under Wine or Crossover?
[06:00] <home_> what is console  u mean window
[06:00] <dogatemycomputer> raymond: wow.. glad it worked!! woohoo!
[06:00] <soulrider> dogatemycomputer: nope
[06:00] <intelikey> jfrerichs i see that no one is answering you.   that normally doesn't mean that we didn't read your Q it means we don't know.   you can ask in  #ubuntu   that's not a kde issue it's a hardware issue   but be ready to inturpret the instructions from gnome'ish to k'ish
[06:00] <hitmanWilly> home_: cmd line
[06:00] <dogatemycomputer> raymond: you should document that somewhere in the ubuntu forums.. step by step if you can..
[06:00] <soulrider> i just wanna try it out\
[06:01] <dogatemycomputer> raymond: i'm sure others will appreciate it..
[06:01] <soulrider> since id otn ahve any consoles other than my NES
[06:01] <dogatemycomputer> home_: what'cha doing?  how far did you get?
[06:01] <home_> i just need to know how to run it
[06:02] <scififan> why?
[06:02] <dogatemycomputer> home_: okay.. did you download something?
[06:02] <scififan> consoles are cool
[06:02] <soulrider> consoles own
[06:02] <home_> yep limewire package
[06:02] <raymond_> yay console
[06:02] <scififan> get more work done
[06:02] <hitmanWilly> gimmie my Eterm!!!
[06:02] <dogatemycomputer> home_: okay.. did you save the .deb file to your desktop?  (make sure its a "deb" file)
[06:02] <soulrider> home_: dont use limewire
[06:02] <soulrider> ise frostwire
[06:02] <dogatemycomputer> soulrider: frostwire?
[06:03] <home_> i seen people usin that on my mp3 rocket
[06:03] <soulrider> yeah
[06:03] <intelikey> soulrider good call but that may not work for what he wants...
[06:03] <soulrider> its the free version of limewire
[06:03] <dogatemycomputer> soulrider: is frostwire available in adept?
[06:03] <soulrider> they are the asme =/
[06:03] <scififan> i remember using eterms under enlightenment back in the day
[06:03] <soulrider> not sure, but i know theres an ubuntu package on their site
[06:03] <intelikey> !frostwire
[06:03] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[06:03] <home_> oh really
[06:03] <scififan> lol
[06:04] <dogatemycomputer> home_: checkout that link.. he may have just saved you alot of grief..
[06:04] <home_> cool
[06:04] <dogatemycomputer> soulrider: thank you!!!
[06:04] <scififan> too late... sullied your install with closed source nonsense
[06:04] <dogatemycomputer> soulrider: is there anything we can do to help you other than fix windows? ;)
[06:04] <soulrider> dogatemycomputer: i dont give a piece of poop abot windows now
[06:04] <dogatemycomputer> scififan: he never actually installed anything..
[06:04] <soulrider> my dad runs it
[06:04] <scififan> good
[06:04] <soulrider> so i installed resident evil on his machine
[06:05] <dogatemycomputer> soulrider: lol.. pawn the evilness off on your dad eh?
[06:05] <home_> me either screw the gates
[06:05] <scififan> i'm sure it's only a matter of time before p2p servers and apps will be illegal completely...
[06:05] <intelikey> skuttel has it on good authority that people in linux are not the smartest people in the world.           hmmm.....
[06:05] <home_> ok i am down loadin frostwire
[06:06] <home_> ill admit to it
[06:06] <soulrider> i havnt had windows on my machine in like 3 months
[06:06] <soulrider> but i havnt really used it in around a year
[06:06] <scififan> i've never had windows on this laptop
[06:06] <soulrider> except for the summer, i used to load it just to play lineage
[06:06] <dogatemycomputer> home_: just the fact that you're willing to give linux a try and you're working past these issues shows that you're more intelligent than most people.
[06:06] <intelikey> soulrider yeah ya get weened pretty quick don't ya
[06:06] <hitmanWilly> this machine has been windows free since it was built
[06:07] <soulrider> intelikey: weened? what do you mean
[06:07] <scififan> will never run windows again... not on a personally owned machine. there will never be a need.
[06:07] <dogatemycomputer> soulrider: i have a windows machine at home.. its been a while since I booted it.
[06:07] <rpgsimmaster> Ahem... on the note of booting
[06:07] <intelikey> soulrider an idiom    off the milk, onto the meat.
[06:08] <home_> ok its done downloadin what now
[06:08] <dr_willis> Argh! Find is having fits with spaces inside filenames!
[06:08] <dr_willis> Grrr
[06:08] <dogatemycomputer> soulrider: ironically its the most powerful machine in the house and everytime I try to load linux on it.. it just crashes badly.. but the next machine will be built FOR linux.. which should make a big difference.
[06:08] <rpgsimmaster> does anyone know of a reason why the latest Kubuntu won't boot on older hardware
[06:08] <scififan> hates filenames with spaces
[06:08] <dogatemycomputer> home_: you should be able to simply follow the instructions step by step..
[06:08] <soulrider> dogatemycomputer: i never had a single problemw ith linux, in fact, my hardware has worked better with linux than with windows
[06:08] <soulrider> which is kinda surprising
[06:09] <intelikey> rpgsimmaster how "older" ?
[06:09] <home_> from what
[06:09] <home_> it downloaded and now nothing
[06:09] <hitmanWilly> home_: type frostwire in a console
[06:09] <intelikey> or terminal
[06:09] <dogatemycomputer> soulrider: I have linux installed on 2 laptops and 3 PCs.. its this one particular machine that has the problem.  I don't like using it anyway other than for gaming.. so its off 99% of the time.
[06:09] <intelikey> :)
[06:09] <hitmanWilly> home_: or it may be under the k-menu
[06:09] <rpgsimmaster> intelikey: We're talking i386 (PII)
[06:10] <rpgsimmaster> 20Gb Seagate HDD
[06:10] <rpgsimmaster> 256 Mb RAM
[06:10] <dogatemycomputer> home_: did you install it already or did you just download it and now you need help installing it?
[06:10] <soulrider> dogatemycomputer: i want a laptop, but i got no $
[06:10] <intelikey> rpgsimmaster newer than anything i'm running
[06:10] <rpgsimmaster> I've had a boot problem with Kubuntu 7.04
[06:10] <soulrider> i could really use one
[06:10] <dogatemycomputer> soulrider: where do you live?
[06:10] <home_> yep need help
[06:10] <soulrider> Uruguay =/
[06:10] <rpgsimmaster> and it's the same problem as PuppyOS 2
[06:10] <dogatemycomputer> home_: did you download it and save it to your desktop?
[06:10] <rpgsimmaster> Should I explain what happens?
[06:11] <home_> cool i am in oklahoma usa'
[06:11] <DaSkreech> Knew I was missing something
[06:11] <soulrider> my mom ahs a laptop, but its heavy, thick and the battery doesnt last long
[06:11] <intelikey> rpgsimmaster as i said.  newer than anything i'm running.    and yes do splain.
[06:11] <scififan> yehaaa, home_
[06:11] <soulrider> also, i cant put linux in it because she uses windows\
[06:11] <rpgsimmaster> right...
[06:11] <home_> no its in home folder
[06:11] <dogatemycomputer> soulrider: where do you reside?
[06:11] <rpgsimmaster> Well, I put the CD into the computer, as you do
[06:11] <rpgsimmaster> It loads the main menu screen
[06:11] <soulrider> dogatemycomputer: Uruguay :P
[06:12] <rpgsimmaster> saying Load Kubuntu, Check CD for defects, etc.
[06:12] <scififan> most people in oklahoma have heard tell of the intermanet thingiemajig
[06:12] <dogatemycomputer> home_: good.. then basically.. to install any .deb file its "sudo dpkg -i <name of file here>".. does that make sense?
[06:12] <rpgsimmaster> I select the first option (load Kubuntu)
[06:12] <rpgsimmaster> it goes loading, reaches 100%
[06:12] <rpgsimmaster> then goes to a black screen
[06:12] <dogatemycomputer> soulrider: i'm really sorry dude but I can't help you there.  If you were in the western US then I may be able to help..
[06:12] <soulrider> lol, its ok
[06:12] <rpgsimmaster> nothing else happens
[06:12] <intelikey> rpgsimmaster safe graphics mode.
[06:12] <home_> so i just type that in the run command thingy rite
[06:12] <rpgsimmaster> Same thing happens
[06:13] <rpgsimmaster> Happens on Puppy OS, as well
[06:13] <dr_willis> ok what am i missing here. :) i expect this to just echo the dir name...       find . -type d -exec echo
[06:13] <rpgsimmaster> it loads initrd.gz, then goes kaput.
[06:13] <dogatemycomputer> home_: well.. its easier if you do it form the konsole.. "LAUNCH->SYSTEM->KONSOLE"
[06:13] <hitmanWilly> rpgsimmaster: you may try DSL, installed that on an old Dell PII
[06:14] <soulrider> rpgsimmaster: how aobut trying Arch ?
[06:14] <intelikey> rpgsimmaster  ok have you let it set at that point for "beleave it or not,  ten minutes"  so it can time out on the network  ?
[06:14] <dogatemycomputer> home_: if you can find it in your file manager then simply right click on it and choose install..
[06:14] <home_> type that in run command
[06:14] <rpgsimmaster> intelikey - I left it for the best part of half an hour
[06:14] <home_> ok
[06:14] <rpgsimmaster> blank screen
[06:14] <dogatemycomputer> home_: you can type "konsole" into the run command
[06:14] <rpgsimmaster> not even a: Kernel Panic
[06:14] <soulrider> is any if you guys having issues loggin into msn ?
[06:15] <intelikey> rpgsimmaster ok.     try adding the boot option  noacpi vga=0x0f05
[06:15] <soulrider> kopete wont connect to msn
[06:15] <rpgsimmaster> Okay...
[06:15] <rpgsimmaster> the thing is, Kubuntu 6.06 works fine
[06:15] <rpgsimmaster> as does Ubuntu 5 point something
[06:15] <rpgsimmaster> and Knoppix
[06:16] <rpgsimmaster> and FreeNAS (though that's BSD)
[06:16] <DaSkreech> Does 6.10 work ?
[06:16] <soulrider> does anyoen have any idea of how much a dvorak keyboard could cost ?\
[06:16] <dogatemycomputer> soulrider: I priced one recently.. they were about the same price as a decent standard keyboard..
[06:16] <hendaus> titanix88: wb
[06:16] <dogatemycomputer> soulrider: by standard I mean qwerty..
[06:16] <dogatemycomputer> home_: how far did you get?
[06:16] <soulrider> i wanna try them out
[06:17] <titanix88> hendaus: :)
[06:17] <soulrider> but i think im gonna ahve to import one, i dont think ill be able to find any here
[06:17] <rpgsimmaster> But I'll disconnect now, and try the LiveCD with your options, intelikey
[06:17] <dogatemycomputer> soulrider: I just found a few on froogle.com
[06:17] <soulrider> finding a keyboard with an english layout was hard enough
[06:17] <home_> it wont let me download it
[06:17] <intelikey> rpgsimmaster ok.  luck with it.
[06:17] <dogatemycomputer> home_: I thought you downloaded it already?
[06:17] <dogatemycomputer> home_: or are you saying you can't install it?
[06:18] <dr_willis> Hmm i manged to chmod -x all the dirs.. withfind.. including ' . ' so my user just locked himself out of thedir he was in. :) Lol.
[06:18] <rpgsimmaster> Thanks, and thank you for your help
[06:18] <home_> kate comes up says it is a binary file and may corrupt something
[06:18] <intelikey> rpgsimmaster also if you have scsi devices tell me
[06:18] <dogatemycomputer> home_: you don't want to open it..
[06:18] <home_> i know
[06:18] <home_> i havent
[06:18] <dogatemycomputer> home_: okay.. first..  click on START/LAUNCH -> SYSTEM -> KONSOLE
[06:18] <dogatemycomputer> home_: let me know when you get that far..
[06:19] <home_> ok
[06:19] <home_> ok
[06:19] <dogatemycomputer> home_: okay.. now.. you see the white box.. right?
[06:19] <home_> yep
[06:20] <intelikey> konsole defaults to white....  YUCH !
[06:20] <dogatemycomputer> home_: okay.. type "ls" in the box and hit enter.. tell me if you see "frostwire" in the list..
[06:20] <home_> ok brb
[06:21] <intelikey> i should really go close my eyes now....
[06:21] <home_> says bash: Is: command not found
[06:21] <dogatemycomputer> home_: LS (not IS) ;)  sorry
[06:21] <intelikey> that's an L  not an I
[06:21] <dogatemycomputer> home_: its case sensitive I believe.. so.. "ls" (lowercase LS)
[06:21] <home_> oh ok lol sorry
[06:22] <intelikey> home_ everything in the konsole is case sensitive
[06:22] <home_> ok
[06:22] <titanix88> home_:)
[06:23] <rollerskatejamms> What's the default mail client in Kubuntu? I don't see one.
[06:23] <home_> yep and it has mp3 rocket.ink
[06:23] <dogatemycomputer> home_: okay.. good..
[06:23] <dogatemycomputer> home_: now.. its simle..  copy and paste this "sudo dpkg -i frost*.deb" .. or type it out.. its up to you.
[06:24] <home_> its limewire
[06:24] <dogatemycomputer> home_: ohhhh..  in that case..  lets install frostwire since its better.
[06:24] <home_> how it wont download
[06:24] <intelikey> lol
[06:24] <dogatemycomputer> home_: so..  what you want to do is first remove the other 2 aps.  so.. type "rm lime*" and hit enter..
[06:25] <Andrew``> Ok I have a problem. I have just installed 7.04 and I neeed to install NVIDIA drivers. It needs to be root to run it. When I try to su, it says my password is incorrect. When I installed  kubuntu,(last night) I dont remember it asking me for a root password. Can anyone help me pls?
[06:25] <home_> ok brb
[06:25] <dogatemycomputer> home_: do you have free long distance on your phone?
[06:25] <intelikey> !root | Andrew``
[06:25] <ubotu> Andrew``: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[06:26] <DaSkreech> rollerskatejamms: alt+space -> kontact
[06:26] <rollerskatejamms> Does oKubuntu come with a mail client installed?
[06:26] <intelikey> Andrew`` short answer.  there is no root password
[06:26] <DaSkreech> rollerskatejamms: or alt+F2 -> Kmail
[06:26] <home_> no i wish
[06:26] <rollerskatejamms> ah kontact
[06:26] <dogatemycomputer> home_: did you type "rm lime*"
[06:26] <dogatemycomputer> ?
[06:26] <DaSkreech> rollerskatejamms: that's mail +++
[06:26] <rollerskatejamms> DaSkreech: why isnt kmail in the menu
[06:26] <home_> yep it says
[06:26] <intelikey> Andrew``  but the link (url)  has lots of good info for you.
[06:26] <DaSkreech> rollerskatejamms: To make things neater. Kontact is huge and covers many apps
[06:26] <rollerskatejamms> oh
[06:27] <home_> cant remove lime no such file
[06:27] <dogatemycomputer> home_: good.. now .. lets type "rm mp3*" ("rm" is "remove" command.. fyi)
[06:27] <rollerskatejamms> but i have a blackberry so thats basically useless to me
[06:27] <DaSkreech> Well Kontact it self isn't huge but ... yeah you get me
[06:27] <DaSkreech> rollerskatejamms: Why?
[06:27] <dogatemycomputer> home_: did you see "limewire" in the list when you typed "ls"?
[06:27] <rollerskatejamms> I think I'll stick to thunderbird
[06:27] <david_> hey you krazy kats
[06:27] <rollerskatejamms> i like thunderbird
[06:27] <home_> yes
[06:27] <DaSkreech> rollerskatejamms: You can alt+F2 and run kmail if you like
[06:27] <david_> i'm trying to install java, and i need to go down for more, but i can't fiture out howw.. any ideas?
[06:27] <dogatemycomputer> home_: its case sensitive so if you saw "Limewire" or "LIMEWIRE" then please let me know..
[06:27] <intelikey> rollerskatejamms you can add a menu listing for kmail
[06:27] <DaSkreech> or install thunderbird :)
[06:27] <rollerskatejamms> Or I can apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird
[06:28] <dogatemycomputer> home_: do you have a number where i can call you?  I need to go and its easier on the phone..
[06:28] <intelikey> rollerskatejamms no but root can.   :)
[06:28] <rollerskatejamms> funny
[06:28] <david_> it's in the liscense review part, it says --More-- but i can't get more
[06:28] <home_> well i gotta get to bed u going to be on tomarrow
[06:28] <intelikey> david_ tab key ?
[06:29] <DaSkreech> home_: Bye
[06:29] <rpgsimmaster> intelikey - thanks for your help -it seems those boot options worked
[06:29] <rpgsimmaster> I am now running Kubntu 7.04
[06:29] <rpgsimmaster> :D
[06:29] <dogatemycomputer> home_: who knows.. you have my email address so send me a number where I can get ahold of you.  Its easy but I need to give you a quick runthrough on how these commands work and then we can do it together.
[06:29] <david_> intelikey: no go, it just makes a beep and does nothing
[06:29] <intelikey> rpgsimmaster nice.    even a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then.
[06:29] <dogatemycomputer> home_: does that work for you?
[06:29] <rollerskatejamms> Is there an equivalent of the restricted driver manager for kubuntu
[06:30] <intelikey> david_ hmmmm    and you did hit enter  ?
[06:30] <rollerskatejamms> Ok I just tried to install java5 and java6 and it failed. screw adept
[06:31] <dogatemycomputer> rollerskatejamms: yeah..
[06:31] <david_> intelikey: i love you
[06:31] <david_> intelikey: enter lolz
[06:31] <dogatemycomputer> rollerskatejamms: but I can't remember the command..
[06:31] <intelikey> david_ ;/
[06:32] <david_> o boy i think java installed much thanks
[06:32] <dogatemycomputer> rollerskatejamms: "sudo /etc/restricted-manager" I believe..
[06:32] <rollerskatejamms> yeah restricted-manager is GTK+ though
[06:32] <dogatemycomputer> rollerskatejamms: sorry.. /usr/bin/restricted-manager
[06:33] <rollerskatejamms> yeah its not kubuntu though thats ubuntu. i mean i can install it but yeah . . .
[06:33] <dogatemycomputer> home_: gotta go dude... you have my email.. feel free to send me a number and i'll call ya tomorrow..
[06:33] <intelikey> david_ i think you may need to run an update-alternatives configure java    or some such also.    to make that the default.
[06:33] <klobster> intelikey: got an interesting konqueror issue if you are interested
[06:33] <dogatemycomputer> home_: if there is another day this week that's better then that's fine too.  I would be happy to help.
[06:34] <jose> ol
[06:34] <intelikey> klobster i'm about to leave but i'll hear it.
[06:34] <intelikey> !es | jose
[06:34] <ubotu> jose: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[06:34] <jose> algum pode me dizer como fao para ouvir msica pela net no KUBUNTU
[06:34] <rollerskatejamms> whats the kde q
[06:35] <DaSkreech> of?
[06:35] <intelikey> klobster   ^   konq  Q
[06:35] <david_> intelikey: yea, frostwire's still saying i don't have it, will look into that
[06:35] <klobster> another time; it's prettylengthy,
[06:35] <klobster> pretty lengthy
[06:35] <intelikey> david_ i've only seen others do that.  i don't mess with java personally
[06:36] <DaSkreech> Do you still have to do that sudo update-alternatives ?
[06:36] <intelikey> klobster intelikey.pastebin.us     and i'll look tomarrow.     sign your post with your nick.
[06:37] <klobster> intelikey: will do
[06:37] <intelikey> DaSkreech he just said that frost wasn't finding it.  so i guess you do.
[06:37] <ubuntu_> hai every one
[06:37] <intelikey> DaSkreech you can help him ?
[06:38] <DaSkreech> I don't remember it :)
[06:38] <intelikey> !java
[06:38] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[06:38] <DaSkreech> !alternatives
[06:38] <ubotu> To change the default applications system-wide, use 'sudo update-alternatives --all' in a terminal.
[06:38] <rollerskatejamms> Hey whats like beagle for kde
[06:39] <intelikey> well that's handy as the pocket on a shirt.
[06:39] <intelikey> ok latter fellaws.
[06:40] <DaSkreech> david_: sudo update-alternatives java I think
[06:40] <ubuntu_> hello any one care to chat
[06:40] <klobster> ubuntu_ try #ubuntu-offtopic for "chatting"
[06:40] <klobster> !offtopic
[06:40] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[06:41] <ubuntu_> i am new here
[06:41] <DaSkreech> rollerskatejamms: strigi right now I think
[06:41] <Kaisho> hey does any one know how to get to undernet i am interested in getting some ebooks
[06:41] <ubuntu_> dont know anybody here
[06:41] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: What's up?
[06:41] <klobster> welcome to IRC, or kubuntu (or KDE?)
[06:42] <Kaisho> Any one ??
[06:42] <ubuntu_> hi kaisho
[06:42] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: You don't need to know anyone.
[06:42] <DaSkreech>  If you have a question you can ask it
[06:42] <DaSkreech>  If you want to learn just hang around
[06:43] <Kaisho> hey
[06:43] <klobster> http://www.google.com/search?q=undernet+ebooks&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=Swiftfox:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a
[06:43] <klobster> kaisho ^^
[06:43] <DaSkreech>  if you want to chat about something type /join #kubuntu-offtopic
[06:43] <dogatemycomputer>            mm,
[06:44] <klobster> oops I should have cut out the browser info
[06:44] <Kaisho> thank you
[06:44] <dr_willis> gee i can find ebooks without undernet. :) legalones even
[06:44] <titanix88> Kaisho: i would like to.
[06:45] <titanix88> hendaus: still there?
[06:46] <hendaus> :)
[06:46] <hendaus> titanix88:  yes
[06:46] <titanix88> hendaus: read "man 1 intro" ?
[06:46] <hendaus> not all
[06:47] <david_> Amarok: does anyone know the difference between Smart playlists and dynamic playlists?
[06:47] <titanix88> hendaus: at least got the idea,didn't u?
[06:48] <hendaus> titanix88:  i have download a file .bin,how can i install it
[06:49] <dr_willis> what is this .bin anyway?
[06:49] <dr_willis> chmod +x whatever.bin  then ./whatever.bin
[06:49] <hendaus> dr_willis:  jre-6u1-linux-i586-rpm.bin
[06:49] <dr_willis> You do realize that java is in the repos?
[06:50] <dr_willis> and that bin will just make a .rpm for you to then install?
[06:50] <dr_willis> or at least thats how sun used to work with the rpm.bin stuff
[06:50] <hendaus> dr_willis:  no i got it from a plugin from firefox?
[06:50] <dr_willis> hendaus,  you are going about it the wrong way to get java installed then
[06:50] <dr_willis> !java
[06:50] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[06:51] <hendaus> dr_willis:  i try to open a picture from a website , but it needs this java plugin
[06:51] <dr_willis> hendaus,  thats scary that it needs java for a picture.
[06:52] <hendaus> dr_willis:  i open a website, and in the picture shows:click to download plugin
[06:53] <david_> hendaus, there is a non-rpm binary on java's website
[06:53] <dr_willis> hendaus,  and 'click to download the plugin' is the WRONG way to install it system wide for kubuntu/ubuntu
[06:54] <dr_willis> im not even sure it would work for a single user. :)
[06:54] <david_> in general, getting java installed is confusing
[06:54] <hendaus> dr_willis: it is java runtime environment
[06:54] <david_> eg: i was able to install it enough for frostwire to load, but not enough to load the java test page
[06:55] <klobster> didn't SUN make a custom java for us *buntites?
[06:55] <dr_willis> hendaus,  i know what it is.. you dont want to 'click to install the plugin' it wont work that way.
[06:55] <dr_willis> hendaus,  you should use the package manager to install it from the deb packages.
[06:56] <hendaus> dr_willis: what is the name of this plugin to install it from adept
[06:56] <dr_willis> !java
[06:56] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[06:56] <dr_willis> sun-java5-jre    like the bot says. :) or is it java6 now?
[06:56] <dr_willis> !find java
[06:56] <ubotu> Found: gcj, gcj-4.1, gij, gij-4.1, java-common (and 272 others)
[06:56] <dr_willis> !find sun-java5-jre
[06:56] <ubotu> Found: sun-java5-jre
[06:56] <dr_willis> !info sun-java5-jre
[06:56] <ubotu> sun-java5-jre: Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0 (architecture independent files). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.5.0-11-1ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 7287 kB, installed size 16168 kB
[06:56] <dr_willis> !info sun-java6-jre
[06:56] <ubotu> sun-java6-jre: Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 (architecture independent files). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 6-00-2ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 6176 kB, installed size 14148 kB
[06:56] <hitmanWilly> dr_willis: i think its 6 these days
[06:57] <dr_willis> hitmanWilly,  yea - thats what i was thinking also.
[06:57] <dr_willis> but imnot sure what the diffs are really
[06:57] <hitmanWilly> me neither
[06:57] <dr_willis> sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre
[07:00] <dr_willis> i can barely write helloworld.c
[07:00] <dr_willis> :)
[07:00] <ritalin> no package for opera?
[07:00] <dr_willis> actually i cant..
[07:00] <dr_willis> ritalin,  i think there maybe some at an unofficial repo..or get the deb from the oprea site
[07:00] <dr_willis> !oprea
[07:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about oprea - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:01] <dr_willis> !opra
[07:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about opra - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:01] <ritalin> !opera
[07:01] <ubotu> opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" (dapper only) is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[07:02] <titanix88_> hendaus: me back.so how is ur feeling abt linux command line?
[07:05] <hendaus> titanix88 which linux command line ?
[07:05] <hendaus> dr_willis:  thanx, i am getting this sudo apt-get install sun-java5-bin
[07:06] <titanix88_> hendaus: "man 1 intro" i'm talking about.
[07:06] <hendaus> dr_willis:  the second problem on me i cant getallfiles from my nokia 6230 cellphone
[07:06] <titanix88_> hendaus: why java?
[07:06] <hendaus> titanix88 yes its wonderful but i didnot finish yet
[07:06] <klobster> once you get the jre, how would I get swiftfox to use it?
[07:07] <dr_willis> it should see it when it loads up
[07:07] <hendaus> titanix88 java for opening images from website
[07:07] <titanix88_> hendaus: get it.
[07:07] <hendaus> dr_willis:  do u know about gnokii?
[07:08] <dr_willis> hendaus,  never heard of it
[07:08] <hendaus> titanix88 did u got the slution for me of --getallfiles?
[07:09] <hendaus> wb titanix88
[07:09] <hendaus> titanix88 did u got the slution for me of --getallfiles?
[07:11] <titanix88_> hendaus: no. maybe i can't it's out of my scope or ur phone doesn't support file transferring with gnokii.
[07:12] <hendaus> titanix88 no way ,but it is working with sending smsmessages and dialvoice
[07:13] <titanix88_> hendaus: that's good :)
[07:16] <titanix88_> CaptainApathy: they don't support dapper
[07:16] <titanix88_> CaptainApathy: >(
[07:16] <hgarcia> has anyone updated kde before?
[07:16] <hendaus> dr_willis:  ok done the sun java, and i try to refresh the website and the picture says click to install plugin
[07:17] <DaSkreech> I have updated before
[07:17] <hgarcia> is it hard?
[07:17] <DaSkreech> hgarcia: no
[07:17] <dr_willis> hendaus,  dont 'refresh' - CLOSE the browser
[07:17] <titanix88_> hendaus: restart the browser.
[07:18] <Ibraheem> how to change spaceing between icons
[07:18] <hgarcia> do you know any good websites that tell you step by step to update kde?
[07:19] <Noldoaran> CaptainApathy: awesome!
[07:19] <crimsun> hgarcia: update kde from what to what?
[07:19] <DaSkreech> hgarcia: What are you updating to?
[07:19] <hgarcia> I would like to get the lasted one
[07:19] <CaptainApathy> titanix88_: I didn't know they don't support dapper... but then again... I've been using feisty since the first release candidate or so...
[07:19] <crimsun> hgarcia: right, and did you follow the directions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-357.php ?
[07:20] <hendaus> dr_willis:  it cannot open :(
[07:20] <titanix88_> CaptainApathy: it supports in a manner of alot of crash.
[07:20] <dr_willis> hendaus,  try some othe rsites with java
[07:20] <Ibraheem> how to increase decrease space between icons on file browser or desktop
[07:21] <titanix88_> hendaus: maybe u need to install flashplugin-nonfree package.
[07:21] <hgarcia> thanks for the website
[07:21] <CaptainApathy> titanix88_:  ouch
[07:21] <CaptainApathy> bye
[07:21] <dr_willis> hendaus, ya could post the url of that site
[07:24] <titanix88_> dr_willis: don't u think lack of flash plugin is causing this?
[07:25] <Ibraheem> how to increase decrease space between icons on file browser or desktop in kde
[07:25] <titanix88_> Ibraheem: kcontrolcenter->apperens->icons
[07:26] <titanix88_> hendaus:
[07:26] <Ibraheem> titanix88_ there is option to change icons size. but not spaces between them
[07:26] <hendaus> titanix88_:  iinstalled flashplugin, let me see now
[07:28] <hendaus> titanix88_:  it doesnot open :(
[07:28] <titanix88_> Ibraheem: despite so many features kde still lack some important one(like k submenu scrolling :(
[07:28] <Ibraheem> titanix88_ so what can i do. any opti?ons
[07:28] <titanix88_> hendaus: using konquerer?
[07:29] <titanix88_> Ibraheem: don't know.
[07:29] <Ibraheem> k
[07:30] <mendred> hi how does one speed up openoffice startup in kde?
[07:31] <titanix88_> hendaus: if konquerer then Settings->Configure Konquerer->Plugins->Scan for new plugins.
[07:32] <klobster> ibraheem: system settings => appearance/Icons: Advanced, then change size?
[07:33] <klobster> mendred: prelink or preload, thats about it, there may be a built in preloader in OO.org
[07:33] <Ibraheem> klobster no. thats icons size. i wnat to change space between icons
[07:33] <titanix88_> hendaus: also try installing "flashplayer-mozilla"
[07:34] <klobster> ibraheem: I am not sure that is an option I have seen on any DE...
[07:34] <hendaus> titanix88_:  when i click on the image it says that it needs : java runtime environment
[07:35] <Ibraheem> klobster whats the best file browser for kde?
[07:35] <klobster> IMO, Konqueror, for it's versatility.
[07:36] <klobster> but  pretty much use ls for that
[07:36] <titanix88_> hendaus: in Settings->Configure Konquerer->java&javascript enable tem both
[07:36] <klobster> ibraheem ^^
[07:37] <klobster> !opinion
[07:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about opinion - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:37] <klobster> worth a shot
[07:37] <Ibraheem> klobster ^ ?
[07:37] <klobster> ibraheem ^^ = see above for reply
[07:38] <Ibraheem> klobster Konqueror, for it's versatility.?
[07:39] <hendaus> titanix88_:  i have download java from here -> http://java.com/en/download/linux_manual.jsp?locale=en&host=java.com:80
[07:39] <titanix88_> hendaus: tried that & restarted konq?
[07:40] <klobster> ibraheem yeah, it does web browsing, files, previews, full vews on text pdf pics, etc.  it's feature packed"
[07:40] <hendaus> titanix88_:  i did it, and it says on konqueror it nees to install the plugin
[07:40] <Ibraheem> klobster but it doesnt gives icon spacing option.
[07:40] <Ibraheem> klobster what are your views about dollphin?
[07:41] <titanix88_> hendaus : install sun-java5-jre from repository. it's lot more complicated to do the way u did.
[07:41] <klobster> ibraheem dunno yet
[07:42] <klobster> ibraheem to lazy to install it just to play critic
[07:42] <hendaus> titanix88_:  i did it, and the samething
[07:42] <hendaus> titanix88_:  now tell me how can i nstall this--> jre-6u1-linux-i586.bin
[07:43] <titanix88_> hendaus : or maybe install sun-java6-jre from repository.
[07:44] <hendaus> titanix88_:  i did it
[07:44] <hendaus> titanix88_: jre-6u1-linux-i586.bin <-- how can i install this
[07:44] <titanix88_> hendaus: ./jre-6u1-linux-i586.bin
[07:45] <titanix88_> hendaus sorry"bash ./jre-6u1-linux-i586.bin"
[07:46] <hendaus> titanix88_:  bash: ./jre-6u1-linux-i586.bin: No such file or directory
[07:47] <titanix88_> hendaus: where did u keep it (i asumed u were in home directory & u put that there)
[07:47] <hendaus> titanix88_:  ok now yes
[07:50] <hendaus> titanix88_:  :( the samething :(((
[07:50] <titanix88_> hendaus: installed & working?
[07:51] <titanix88_> hendaus: restart u computer(that's what they said in tha site)
[07:51] <titanix88_> sorry mean browser.
[07:52] <hendaus> titanix88_:  it says: click to install plugin
[07:53] <titanix88_> hendaus: rescaned ur plugins in konq?
[08:03] <RawSewage> you shouldnt have to install any .bin or do anything weird
[08:03] <RawSewage> usually if it's getting confusing, youre doing something wrong
[08:04] <RawSewage> if you're using Feisty , that is
[08:05] <titanix88_> RawSewage: but even installing from a .bin is not recommended in GNU/Linux they say u to compile from source :)
[08:06] <RawSewage> I never compile
[08:06] <RawSewage> I just use whats in the repos
[08:06] <RawSewage> Im boring
[08:07] <titanix88_> RawSewage: somtimes compiling works. but sometimes not. but most .bin works very good. i usually dload large games like 'battle for wesnoth ' in .bin cause they are updated than repos.
[08:08] <RawSewage> oh
[08:08] <RawSewage> but
[08:08] <DaSkreech> titanix88_: but they work from the repos :)
[08:08] <RawSewage> why cant you just use apt-get install
[08:09] <RawSewage> apt-cache search wesnoth
[08:09] <titanix88_> RawSewage: just "bash PATH/something.bin" & it installs checking everything.
[08:10] <DaSkreech> !info wesnoth
[08:10] <ubotu> wesnoth: fantasy turn-based strategy game. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.2.3-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 1937 kB, installed size 4396 kB
[08:10] <Joxam> hey, I need to be able to edit a document in console
[08:10] <Joxam> I forgot how
[08:10] <Joxam> and am drinking
[08:10] <Joxam> tell me
[08:11] <titanix88_> RawSewage: cause official packages maintainers r months behind original developers(so most of the time u install old versions)that's bad for games at least :)
[08:11] <RawSewage> ok
[08:11] <RawSewage> Ive never heard of that game. looks good
[08:11] <DaSkreech> Joxam: nano documentnamehere
[08:11] <DaSkreech> RawSewage: one of the best
[08:12] <RawSewage> hm
[08:12] <DaSkreech> titanix88_: it's not all that bad :)
[08:12] <titanix88_> RawSewage: somtimes u don't even need to bother about installing just ungip precompiled binary in a folder & it works like:blender 3d & Nexuiz
[08:12] <RawSewage> im listening to the FF II soundtrack now
[08:22] <Andrew``> I am trying to install Nvidia drivers but it says I have a GUI running and will need to stop it. How do I do that?
[08:22] <titanix88_> Everybody silent?
[08:22] <Admiral_Chicago> Andrew``: logout of KDE, log back in a fail safe terminal
[08:23] <Andrew``> ahh thanks Admiral_Chicago
[08:24] <Admiral_Chicago> np
[08:24] <titanix88_> Andrew``: trying from that .bin aren't u?
[08:25] <tahsin> can i get more softwares on adept installer ?
[08:25] <titanix88_> Andrew``: dont try it. it will probably brake the system.
[08:26] <sivaji2009> tahsin yes just add repo
[08:26] <tahsin> sivaji2009: how do i do taht?
[08:26] <tahsin> that
[08:27] <sivaji2009> tahsin : http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty
[08:27] <user_> hi
[08:27] <user_> anyone there
[08:27] <user_> can i ask about soething
[08:27] <tahsin> thatsicaji2009: i think i already added repos
[08:27] <sivaji2009> !ask | user_
[08:27] <ubotu> user_: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[08:27] <user_> ok
[08:27] <user_> lol
[08:28] <tahsin> thatsicaji2009: i have many softwares on adept manager but not too many on adept installer (add/remove programee)
[08:28] <user_> i download the live cd backtrac and when i boot it with my ubuntu,,,,it say unknow key work in config file,,could not find kerenel image?????????????
[08:29] <user_> the backtrack2 live cd
[08:29] <user_> ???
[08:31] <Andrew``> ok I tried installing it, but it came back with an error... says I need the libc header files. I tried to search through adept installer but it found nothing... can anyone help?
[08:33] <sivaji2009> Andrew`` what u tried to install
[08:33] <Andrew``> nvidia drivers
[08:34] <Admiral_Chicago> !nvidia
[08:34] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:34] <user_> any help with that backtrack
[08:34] <Admiral_Chicago> Andrew``: maybe that link has better suppot...
[08:34] <user_> i lost my connnection here
[08:34] <user_> ubotu.....................
[08:35] <user_> u get my question?
[08:38] <klobster> user_ what is the question?
[08:38] <tahsin> klobster: i have many softwares on adept manager but not too many on adept installer (add/remove programee)
[08:38] <tahsin> klobster: how do i get more softwares on add/remove programme
[08:39] <klobster> tahsin is that two different questions?
[08:39] <tahsin> klobster: same question
[08:40] <klobster> oh, I see sorry i never used the add/remove programmes.  lets see (gimme a moment)
[08:41] <tahsin> klobster: sure
[08:44] <klobster> did you check the boxes for proprietary and unsupported software? did you select any suite?  that should do it...
[08:45] <tahsin> let me try
[08:45] <sivaji2009> !pastebin
[08:45] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[08:46] <tahsin> klobster: thanks now i have plenty
[08:47] <klobster> no prob
[08:56] <W1ZrD> Is there a program that easily converts from .mp3, to .wav in kubuntu?
[08:56] <titanix88> hendaus:
[08:57] <RawSewage> mp3 to wav
[08:57] <W1ZrD> RawSewage: yes
[08:58] <oliver_> hi, and good morning to all
[08:58] <RawSewage> W1ZrD, soundkonverter
[08:58] <titanix88> W1ZrD: install soundKonverter.it ROCKS!
[08:58] <titanix88> oliver_: good noon!
[08:58] <tahsin> W1ZrD: is there a network monitor applet for KDE ?
[08:58] <W1ZrD> RawSewage, titanix88, thank's, I'll take a look at it
[08:59] <W1ZrD> tahsin: yes, there is
[08:59] <tahsin> W1ZrD: how do i get it ?
[08:59] <oliver_> can someone help with to fix a boot problem ??
[09:00] <titanix88> W1ZrD: as far as i it supports at least 12 formats!!
[09:00] <tahsin> titanix88: how do i get a network monitor applet ?
[09:00] <titanix88> tahsin: in kubuntu?
[09:01] <tahsin> titanix88: YES !
[09:01] <ritalin> hey hey you you
[09:01] <ritalin> i could be your girlfriend
[09:02] <tahsin> titanix88: is it possible ?
[09:02] <titanix88> tahsin : add applet to panel system monitor. then u will have to configure it's graph.
[09:03] <DinK[UK] > tahsin: sudo apt-get install knemo
[09:03] <tahsin> titanix88: there is no system monitor
[09:04] <tahsin> let me try DinKUk
[09:04] <titanix88> tahsin: A Ksystem monitor no?
[09:04] <oliver_> can someone help to fix a boot problem ??
[09:04] <tahsin> titanix88: yup
[09:05] <rdallarmi> hi, I am running postfix chrooted and I am trying to do sasl authentication using authdeamond. I am getting the error: warning: SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to Courier authdaemond: No such file or directory. Authdeamond socket is (ubuntu) in /var/run/courier/authdeamond/socket I granted rwx permission trough all that path and linked /car/run/courier/authdeamond to /var/spool/postfix and specified
[09:05] <rdallarmi> authdaemond_path: /authdaemon/socket in smtpd.conf, but I got that error. It is bvious I am doing something wrong. Anybody has any idea?
[09:05] <titanix88> tahsin: actually ksys gaurd :)
[09:05] <computer> hello
[09:05] <tahsin> titanix88: oh lol
[09:06] <computer> how do i download a .deb file from konquerer without kate opening it up as text file...
[09:06] <sivaji2009> !ssh
[09:06] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[09:07] <computer> hi, how do i download a .deb file from konquerer without kate opening it up as text file...
[09:07] <computer> o nvm, save link as...
[09:09] <computer> hmm what are .deb files, can i execute them as a program?
[09:09] <titanix88> open ksysgaurd ->new worksheet->drop a network sensor from left sensor browser.
[09:10] <titanix88> computer: no u can't.
[09:11] <computer> titanix88 cool thx, good to know, do i extract the .deb file?
[09:12] <titanix88> computer: u can do that but will be no use(unless u r a package maintainer).u will have to install it.
[09:14] <W1ZrD> titanix88: I can't get the SoundKonverter to work
[09:15] <W1ZrD> titanix88: When I enter a .mp3 as source and .wav as Output, I never get the option to start the convert
[09:15] <W1ZrD> Sorry, I repeat that again..
[09:15] <ritalin> thank god DinK[UK] 
[09:15] <W1ZrD> titanix88: When I enter a .mp3 as source and .wav as Output, I never get the option to start the convert
[09:15] <ritalin> i was worried sick
[09:15] <ritalin> ;)
[09:15] <DinK[UK] > :o
[09:17] <titanix88> W1ZrD:simple tab->add files
[09:17] <titanix88> W1ZrD: output format -> wav
[09:17] <computer> titanix88 hmm so how do i run the program from the .deb file, or how do i run the program at all
[09:18] <W1ZrD> titanix88: I have added the .mp3 source files, set an output directory for the .wav files, but the "start convert" is greyed out
[09:18] <titanix88> W1ZrD:out put will be in the songs directory(by default).
[09:19] <W1ZrD> titanix88: Do I need some plug-ins/codecs/magic before it works?
[09:20] <titanix88> computer: not every .deb contains runnable files & to install it graphically just by double clicking it, i recommend u install gdebi(although it's a kde channel :)
[09:20] <MrDigimon> How do i do to fix this error in WolfET:
[09:20] <MrDigimon> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:21] <MrDigimon> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:21] <MrDigimon> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:21] <MrDigimon> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:21] <MrDigimon> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:21] <MrDigimon> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:21] <Admiral_Chicago> computer: in a konsole, cd Desktop (if its on the desktop) then do sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[09:21] <MrDigimon> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:21] <W1ZrD> !pastebin < MrDigimon
[09:21] <MrDigimon> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:21] <titanix88> W1ZrD:settings->configure sount konverter ->En,decoder see if there is lame.
[09:21] <MrDigimon> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:21] <MrDigimon> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:21] <MrDigimon> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:21] <W1ZrD> MrDigimon: Please stop
[09:21] <MrDigimon> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:21] <titanix88> W1ZrD: for mp3.
[09:21] <MrDigimon> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:21] <MrDigimon> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:22] <MrDigimon> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:22] <felzix> Why does my bash script work fine from a terminal but not when I activate it in konqueror?
[09:22] <DinK[UK] > stop the spamming you wont get help that way!!
[09:22] <MrDigimon> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:22] <MrDigimon> Couldn't get a visual
[09:22] <MrDigimon> ...WARNING: could not set the given mode (3)
[09:22] <MrDigimon> ----- CL_Shutdown -----
[09:22] <MrDigimon> RE_Shutdown( 1 )
[09:22] <MrDigimon> -----------------------
[09:22] <MrDigimon> ----- CL_Shutdown -----
[09:22] <MrDigimon> -----------------------
[09:22] <MrDigimon> Sys_Error: GLimp_Init() - could not load OpenGL subsystem
[09:22] <Darkkish> how do i upgrade from 6.06 to 7.04?
[09:22] <Admiral_Chicago> !op
[09:22] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, or nixternal
[09:22] <MrDigimon> W1ZrD: i just asked why my comp does this when i try to play wolet
[09:22] <felzix> darkkish: there should be an upgrade option in adept_manager
[09:22] <Admiral_Chicago> !upgrade > Darkkish
[09:22] <Darkkish> felzix: it's not working
[09:22] <Admiral_Chicago> Darkkish: check out that pm
[09:23] <titanix88> MrDigimon: don't u know about paste bin? >(
[09:23] <W1ZrD> MrDigimon: you can you the PasteBin to paste large texts, so that you don't flood this channel
[09:23] <W1ZrD> Thank you dear lord ;)
[09:23] <felzix> darkkish: :(  sorry, but I can't help, then.  I just burned the CD when it came out 'cause I wanted a quick copy for later installations
[09:23] <DinK[UK] > :D
[09:23] <Hobbsee> good god.  read the frickign topic, else i'll shoot you.
[09:23] <Hobbsee> or i'll make mneptok do it.
[09:23] <RawSewage> lol
[09:24] <W1ZrD> Shooting Spammers (c) Hobbsee
[09:24] <Hobbsee> MrDigimon: before you enter a channel, please READ THE TOPIC.  It has USEFUL information in it that WILL help you.
[09:24] <titanix88> W1ZrD:working now?
[09:25] <W1ZrD> titanix88: I have the plugins, like lame, ogg, gogo, and so on...but still no joy
[09:25] <titanix88> MrDigimon using beryl?
[09:25] <MrDigimon> dont think so
[09:26] <titanix88> W1ZrD: it works for me !!
[09:26] <W1ZrD> MrDigimon: you can join #kubuntu-fi or #ubuntu-fi if you want help in finnish
[09:26] <W1ZrD> titanix88: This is really weird, it should work, I can see that :)
[09:26] <MrDigimon> no thx, i dont speak finnish that good
[09:26] <computer> titanix88 and Admiral_Chicago thx for the tips, sorry was afk earlier
[09:27] <Hobbsee> yay, mneptok :)
[09:27] <W1ZrD> MrDigimon: haha, ok, thought since your ISP was finnish :)
[09:27] <Admiral_Chicago> computer: np good luck.
[09:27] <MrDigimon> i speak swedish and english but im horrible at finnish lol
[09:28] <W1ZrD> MrDigimon: Same here, even though I've studied finnish, it's horrible language to learn ;)
[09:28] <W1ZrD> Anyways, I'm off to bed, take care everyone
[09:28] <titanix88> W1ZrD: i know one wired problem when u select output to other than source directory.
[09:28] <W1ZrD> titanix88: yes?
[09:28] <sivaji2009> how to start shh server
[09:28] <sivaji2009> ssh
[09:28] <computer> i used dpkg on "envy" the program that installs nvidia drivers, it said: build-essential not installed, xserver-sorg-dev not installed, fakerroot not installed and a bunch of other stuff, where do i get these  to install =)
[09:29] <fdoving> computer: you can use aptitude or adept, for example. those are package names.
[09:29] <mneptok> computer: why not just use the repo drivers?
[09:29] <MrDigimon> is the swedish chatroom #kubuntu-se then or something like that
[09:29] <titanix88> W1ZrD; An output format to 'wav' not 'wv'
[09:29] <sivaji2009> how to start ssh server
[09:29] <W1ZrD> MrDigimon: Indeed it is
[09:29] <MrDigimon> ok
[09:29] <MrDigimon> thx
[09:29] <titanix88> MrDigimon: xmoto rocks!
[09:29] <computer> mneptok completely new picking up ubuntu again, forgot all of what i did b4 except it took a long time lol =) so looiing for shortcuts
[09:29] <mneptok> sivaji2009: just install it
[09:30] <MrDigimon> i know titanix88
[09:30] <mneptok> computer: System>Admin>Restricted drivels manager
[09:30] <mneptok> HA! "drivers"
[09:30] <computer> fdoving is there a typical single program that if i install would automatically install all those packages as prereques?
[09:30] <mneptok> *fab* typo, though
[09:30] <fdoving> computer: yes, but you don't want that.
[09:31] <titanix88> MrDigimon: only the engine sound seems like someones having a hard time in toilet :)
[09:31] <MrDigimon> lol
[09:31] <computer> fdoving so i have to type each package name, find it, and then tell adept to install right
[09:31] <mneptok> computer: System>Admin>Restricted drivers manager
[09:31] <Hobbsee> mneptok: it's kde
[09:31] <computer> mneptok o, cool
[09:31] <fdoving> computer: right, build-essential and xserver-xorg-dev
[09:31] <titanix88> MrDigimon: played Nexuiz?
[09:31] <MrDigimon> titanix88: maybe u could mod it so it sounds better
[09:31] <mneptok> Hobbsee: ah, right
[09:31] <MrDigimon> no i havent played
[09:31] <Hobbsee> mneptok: it doesnt exist.
[09:32] <computer> fdoving *shudders* o god lol, there's like 20 of them =)
[09:32] <Hobbsee> mneptok: searching in adept and installing from there is the correct solution.
[09:32] <W1ZrD> titanix88: It doesn't matter if I want them as .ogg or .wav, the option to start the convert is constantly greyed out...so I give up for today and try it again next century
[09:32] <computer> mneptok yeah i use kde too, continue to do what u suggested right
[09:32] <mneptok> computer: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[09:32] <Hobbsee> mneptok: someone's writing one
[09:32] <fdoving> computer: it is? can you pastebin the error ?
[09:32] <titanix88> W1ZrD: see u.
[09:32] <computer> yeah
[09:32] <computer> !pastebin
[09:32] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[09:32] <W1ZrD> titanix88: thank's for the help though, take care..
[09:32] <Darkkish> My friend is having trouble upgrading from dapper to edgy for some reason
[09:32] <computer> just checking what the web address was
[09:32] <computer> one sec
[09:33] <computer> fdoving : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23842/
[09:33] <titanix88> Darkkish: edgy is buggy tell her/him not to. upgrade dapper. it helped me a lot(it became faster)
[09:34] <fdoving> computer: ah, that error, 'sudo apt-get -f install'
[09:34] <computer> fdoving ah i guess not 20 of them, just the error message spanned more than 20 lines
[09:34] <Darkkish> titanix88: he has to upgrade to edgy in order to upgrade to feisty.
[09:34] <Hobbsee> dapper's kde is very outdated, and doesnt get the latest updates.
[09:34] <Hobbsee> and is not receiving updates
[09:34] <computer> cool
[09:34] <computer> what's the f flag do
[09:34] <computer> *typing* afk one sec
[09:34] <mneptok> Dapper's KDE is from 1927
[09:34] <fdoving> Hobbsee: dapper is still supported. it's LTS :)
[09:35] <Hobbsee> fdoving: sure, but we're not building the latest kde versions for it.  security fixes only.
[09:35] <computer> fdoving wow nice it should work now
[09:35] <fdoving> computer: yep, it should :)
[09:35] <fdoving> Hobbsee: correct :)
[09:35] <computer> fdoving i just installed edgy like 2 hrs ago, it's completely new as in nothing installed, is there other things like this i should get?
[09:36] <Darkkish> titanix88: he has to upgrade to edgy in order to upgrade to feisty.
[09:36] <mneptok> computer: yeah. Feisty. ;)
[09:36] <computer> mneptok lol a lil afraid to go feisty, is it at any rate error prone?
[09:36] <mneptok> computer: no more so than Edgy
[09:37] <Hobbsee> it's less buggy than edgy
[09:37] <Hobbsee> and you can actually get the latest kde releases for it, as shown in the topic
[09:37] <fdoving> computer: i always install: screen, kismet, netwox, netcat, lft, nmap, mailody, dolphin and kuickshow among otherthings.
[09:37] <computer> hmm tempted
[09:37] <computer> fdoving cool thx, copy pasting that list as of now =)
[09:37] <ritalin> which one is the install cd for?
[09:37] <titanix88> Darkkish: insted of upgrading this way tell him to get a non live feisty cd & then burn the .iso & add it to repository. then dist upgrade. it will upgrade directly (not sure though)
[09:37] <ritalin> cause thats hwat im on
[09:38] <computer> fdoving btw how do i uninstall what i installed using dpkg
[09:38] <fdoving> computer: i guess you won't need kismet netwox netcat lft nor nmap. if you don't do network and security things.
[09:38] <AutoMatriX> Hi folks .... problem : dell latitude ls400 wher can I find the refresh rate of the monitor ?
[09:38] <ritalin> this great site i heard about
[09:38] <ritalin> www.google.com
[09:38] <ritalin> ;)
[09:38] <computer> fdoving i don't lol, *deleting* list as we speak =)
[09:38] <fdoving> computer: i use aptitude from the commandline, like 'sudo aptitude install list of packages separated by spaces'
[09:38] <titanix88> computer: "sudo dpkg -r packagename"
[09:38] <computer> titanix88 ah cool thx
[09:39] <computer> fdoving and thx for earlier tips as well =)
[09:39] <fdoving> computer: dolphin, kuickshow and mailody are still nice :)
[09:39] <AutoMatriX> Hi folks .... problem : dell latitude ls400 wher can I find the refresh rate of the monitor ?
[09:39] <titanix88> computer np :)
[09:40] <titanix88> while a lot of people ask h to use command line i may ask anyone ever read GNU/linux cmd line interface intro "man 1 intro"?
[09:41] <Andrew``> I dont have a SYSTEM>ADMINISTRATION> icon either on desktop or in main menu.. is this a problem.. and if so How do I rectify it?
[09:42] <Hobbsee> Andrew``: it's not.  it was a gnome thing
[09:42] <mike> does someone of you have a rt2500 wireless chipset up and running with networkmanager?
[09:42] <computer> off topic: i installed edgy on hp recovery disk's partition (8.5g), i have windows on the rest of the harddrive, is there someway (without erasing files from windows) that i can repartition the windows partition (ntfs) to give more space to edgy?
[09:42] <titanix88> Andrew``: using both gnome & kde?
[09:42] <fdoving> mike: no, that didn't work at all for me. i ended up using kwlan.
[09:42] <computer> i tried partition magic and boot magic (which i spent 3  hrs deleting... lol), and that didn't work out well
[09:43] <Andrew``> titanix88: no KDE alone
[09:43] <computer> i couldn't split window partition with partition magic, i suppose it's cuz it's ntfs not fat?
[09:43] <Andrew``> I am still having trouble installing nvidia
[09:43] <Andrew``> bugger it
[09:43] <titanix88> while a lot of people ask h to use command line i may ask anyone ever read GNU/linux cmd line interface intro "man 1 intro"?
[09:43] <titanix88> Andrew``: what problem?
[09:43] <fdoving> titanix88: yes, why do you ask about man intro?
[09:44] <Andrew``> says no libc header files
[09:45] <titanix88> fdoving: it's should be the start page of command linerers,that;s why.
[09:45] <titanix88> Andrew``: tried from repos?
[09:45] <Andrew``> dont know how to
[09:45] <fdoving> titanix88: have you seen "/msg ubotu cli" ?
[09:46] <titanix88> fdoving: what does it say?
[09:46] <computer> fdoving : srry, but same question with earlier, i pasted error in http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23844/, i tried to use adept to get module-assistant but it's not in adept =(
[09:46] <fdoving> Andrew``: get the package linux-libc-dev
[09:46] <fdoving> computer: you need to enable the universe repository.
[09:46] <titanix88> Andrew`` what graphics card?
[09:47] <computer> fdoving ah cool thx, by uncommenting it right
[09:47] <Andrew``> FX5200
[09:47] <fdoving> computer: 'sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list' uncomment.. yes.
[09:47] <computer> fdoving thx =)
[09:47] <fdoving> computer: then run 'sudo aptitude update' and then 'sudo apt-get -f install'
[09:48] <computer> fdoving thx, especially for typing out the path to sources list, i woulda had to google for that hehe
[09:49] <computer> fdoving should i get the backport repo uncommented as well
[09:49] <Andrew``> titanix88: I have a fx5200
[09:49] <fdoving> computer: don't need that.
[09:49] <computer> k thx
[09:49] <computer> any harm to uncommment those
[09:50] <computer> can i just uncomment every repo
[09:50] <fdoving> yes. you can.
[09:50] <computer> srry for the string of pretty much retarded questions lol
[09:50] <computer> cool
[09:51] <netdaemon> no games included on the install =(
[09:52] <computer> well guess i've reached a conclusion not to use the "envy" program
[09:52] <computer> so many people said not to use it too lol, plus i can't get it to install har har
[09:53] <computer> is there a repo for the latest ndiswrapper?
[09:53] <titanix88_> Andrews'': u should try"sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx"
[09:54] <titanix88_> then "sudo nvidia-xconfig"
[09:54] <Andrew``> ok thanks... also.. I dont have a "my computer" so I cant browse my puter.. any help on this?
[09:55] <Andrew``> titanix88 can I paste 2 lines?
[09:56] <titanix88_> Andrew``: kcontrol center-> appearence->icons->devices(maybe)->show removable drives,home on Desktop etc.
[09:56] <titanix88_> Andrew``:what lines??!!
[09:57] <Andrew``> after trying sudo apt-get....
[09:57] <Andrew``> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[09:57] <Andrew``> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[09:58] <smithw> Hello everyone... I'm having some troubles with the wifi configuration. My Kubuntu box connects through wifi to a "router" computer. Everything is fine, except when I have to reboot that computer; Kubuntu reconnects to the local network, but it loses all routing and dns configuration. Using "route" on CLI doesn't seem to help either, so maybe I'm wrong about the problem. What procedure can I try to "restart" the wifi connection?
[09:58] <titanix88_> Andrew``:ohh!they were commands!
[09:58] <Andrew``> yes I know.. typed them in a konsole
[09:58] <smithw> Andrew``, is Adept or another package manager running?
[09:59] <Andrew``> ahh ok.. yes it was..now closed
[09:59] <Andrew``> will try agan
[09:59] <titanix88_> Andrew``: anyother package managerlike Adept running?then close it.Or just install nvidia-glx from ADEEPT:)
[09:59] <computer> hm kubuntu just informed me that a newer version of kubuntu is available and asked whether i want to install it, is this feisty or an update from 2.6.17 kernet to like a 2.6.20 one
[10:00] <titanix88_> computer: what disto (Dapper/Edgy)?
[10:01] <computer> titanix88 right now using edgy
[10:01] <titanix88_> Andrew``: installed it?
[10:02] <titanix88_> computer: then it's feisty.
[10:02] <computer> titanix88 cool thx
[10:02] <computer> does feisty have a new look?
[10:02] <computer> new desktop look
[10:02] <rdallarmi> Hi, I am setting up a mailserver based on feisty. I want to give imap access, but I find this error on the log: server imapd: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/fam-- enybody knows what this is about?
[10:02] <titanix88_> computer :maybe.
[10:03] <computer> ok =)
[10:03] <arunkale> I know this is a bit off topic, but anyone know php here? i need help with a simple script...
[10:03] <fdoving> rdallarmi: what kind of imap server?
[10:03] <Andrew``> titanix88 yes its installed.. now do I need to reboot?
[10:03] <rdallarmi> courier imap
[10:04] <titanix88_> computer: i don't use feisty(me good old upgraded dapper) but every ubuntu comes with some new look! :)
[10:04] <rdallarmi> imap works it is just damn slow
[10:05] <titanix88_> Andrew``: no.just "sudo nvidia-xconfig" & ctrl+Alt+backspace to restart Xserver .No restart.
[10:05] <computer> titanix88_ yeah i didn't mean ok in any sarcastic way at all =), there's much reason behind any thoughtful maybies =)
[10:06] <titanix88_> computer : u got it =)
[10:06] <Darkkish> Can I use an RPM file?
[10:06] <smithw> Darkkish, if you convert it to deb first with alien, yes.
[10:07] <titanix88_> Darkkish: u can convert it to .deb with alien.
[10:07] <smithw> Darkkish, although it might have some compatibility issues.
[10:07] <Darkkish> oh
[10:07] <titanix88_> Andrew'' : working?
[10:08] <Andrew``> ok.. now where do I configure my card
[10:08] <Darkkish> what about sudo apt-get install rpm
[10:08] <Andrew``> nvidia splash screen came up
[10:08] <titanix88_> "nvidia-settings" though it is not permanent by default.
[10:09] <smithw> Darkkish, I never tried that, but I'd be afraid of messing with the system. If you're a skilled sysadmin, go ahead, though.
[10:09] <mo0osah> I just got everything working exactly the way I like it.  What are some good alternatives to back everything up
[10:10] <titanix88_> Darkkish: installing alien will also install rpm. but never install with rpm. it will create extra independent packaging system
[10:10] <smithw> titanix88_, Darkkish, it also may result on a "dependence nightmare".
[10:11] <titanix88_> Andrew``: u can stop the splash showing up everytime by"sudo nvidia-xconfig --no-logo"
[10:11] <makuseru> !fglrx
[10:11] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:12] <titanix88_> smithw: i find sometimes packages don't convert wll without --scripts flag
[10:13] <titanix88_> Andrew``: satisfied?
[10:13] <smithw> titanix88_, I've never seen that... in fact, I avoid alien as much as possible. After all, there's not much you can't find in deb, source or binary tarball form these days...
[10:14] <Andrew``> ok now i have 1280x1024 coooool!!!
[10:14] <Darkkish> lol mine was running that when i started... idk why
[10:15] <titanix88_> Darkkish: i don't get it 0_.
[10:15] <smithw> titanix88_, and it's nothing I can reason about, but I seem to think all RPM's are somewhat flawed. Probably bad memories from my Red Hat days...
[10:15] <Darkkish> nvm
[10:15] <MilhousePunkRock> Hello everyone!
[10:16] <titanix88_> bye everyone it's lunchtime.
[10:16] <MilhousePunkRock> I want to "pimp" my Konqueror a little so I can forget about Firefox... 1. How do I enable "Opera-style" mouse gestures? They seem to be activated in KControl, but don't work... :-/
[10:16] <titanix88_> Ofcourse in mytimeZone!(2.15pm)
[10:17] <Darkkish> MilhousePunkRock: why do you want to "forget about firefox"
[10:18] <MilhousePunkRock> Darkkish: Even with Gtk-Qt-theme (or whatever that was called), it does not integrate properly into my KDE enviroment. And lately I had the feeling it gets awfully slow with more than 5 tabs open...
[10:20] <smithw> any thoughts on my previous wifi question, anyone?
[10:20] <MilhousePunkRock> smithw: Can you ask again, I wasn't there when you first asked...
[10:20] <premier_> smithw: whats the problem?
[10:21] <smithw> Wifi connects ok to a router computer, but when that computer has to be restarted, I can't bring up the connection back. Also, route tables go bye bye...
[10:22] <smithw> I have to restart Kubuntu also to make it connect again.
[10:22] <smithw> also = too
[10:23] <smithw> I can detail the situation further, if needed.
[10:24] <MilhousePunkRock> smithw: Are you using DHCP?
[10:24] <smithw> MilhousePunkRock, nope, static IP.
[10:24] <MilhousePunkRock> smithw: Because in that case, you get a new IP from the router when you restart it. But your client doesn't notice
[10:25] <MilhousePunkRock> Oh, too bad. Sounded just like it...
[10:25] <smithw> :(
[10:26] <MilhousePunkRock> I never restart my router, since it is a real router, so I can't say much about it..
[10:26] <khkhdfjald> Is this tech support 101
[10:26] <thirdy> wat the most complete dvd codec package?
[10:26] <thirdy> can't play my dvd
[10:27] <MilhousePunkRock> !multimedia > thirdy
[10:27] <smithw> MilhousePunkRock, in fact, I don't have a router, I just have two computers and a DSL modem. So one of them has to route for the other, and I chose the MacMini to do that just because it's more silent, haha.
[10:27] <khkhdfjald> ls
[10:27] <khkhdfjald> Im getting a mac mini in two weeks
[10:28] <thirdy> No plugin found to handle this resource
[10:29] <thirdy> xine: couldn't find demux for>dvd:///dev/hdb
[10:29] <smithw> khkhdfjald, in my personal experience, it was totally worth it. Though I haven't had the nerve to try and install any linux distro on it yet.
[10:29] <thirdy> !demux
[10:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about demux - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:30] <khkhdfjald> I want to run OSX natively
[10:30] <smithw> thirdy, to play dvd's on *ubuntu, I think you only choice is libdvdcss. Although it may be illegal on your country, you should check it first.
[10:30] <tmbg> !codecs | thirdy
[10:30] <ubotu> thirdy: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:31] <khkhdfjald> as long as I have bash. I'm totally happy
[10:31] <smithw> khkhdfjald, I spent a whole weekend on that, but I managed to compile KDE to run on Apple's X server, haha...
[10:33] <khkhdfjald> smith, humm that sounds painfull. I still haven't recovered from when I complied Fluxbox from source
[10:35] <Tony_B> indeed
[10:36] <smithw> khkhdfjald, compiling itself wasn't that painful, was just time-consuming. The real problem was that macports (third-party *nix tools packaging system that compiles everything from source) had some tarballs' addresses that didn't work. so everytime I had to stop the downloading, download it myself, put it in the right place and restart everything again. when it came to the compilation, it was just the wait.
[10:36] <smithw> also, on that time my broadband was just 512k.
[10:37] <Tony_B> ls
[10:41] <makuseru> ation
[10:43] <thirdy_> ok, this is getting annoying, I'll just get vcl
[10:47] <tmbg> thirdy_, vlc is nice, you'll like it
[10:47] <staniol> ciao
[10:50] <muesli> hey guys
[10:50] <muesli> is mouse support in kde broken since 3.5.4 or so?
[10:50] <muesli> it's getting pretty annoying recently, upto 3.5.7 where it's pretty unusable
[10:50] <muesli> clicking a link in konqueror starts a drag operation, e.g.
[10:50] <Lynoure> muesli: broken it what way? I have not noticed anything on 3.5.6
[10:50] <muesli> middle click doesn't work to open a tab anymore
[10:50] <pawitp> Mouse support!?
[10:51] <muesli> middle click doesn't copy / paste anymore
[10:51] <muesli> http://www.chris.de/drag.png
[10:51] <muesli> that's what happens when i click a link in konqui and move the mouse
[10:51] <muesli> note: konqui ain't frozen, i just need to press escape now
[10:51] <muesli> yet, not being able to click links / middle links anymore is pretty annoying obviously
[10:52] <zach> Greets, everyone...
[10:52] <muesli> s/middle links/middle click
[10:52] <muesli> zach: greets
[10:52] <pawitp> Try reverting your mouse settings to default
[10:53] <muesli> funny thing so: it's only in kde apps
[10:53] <muesli> firefox works fine
[10:53] <muesli> could also be qt then, of course
[10:53] <pawitp> Could be KDE's mouse setting
[10:53] <muesli> also, all drag operations have to be finished by pressing escape
[10:53] <muesli> even if they were successful
[10:53] <muesli> otherwise i can't click or type anything anymore
[10:53] <Tony_B> ls
[10:54] <muesli> pawitp: i reverted that stuff to default a million times by now, yeah :( didn't help
[10:54] <thirdy__> Wats next to VLC?
[10:54] <blekos> hi, is there any tool for linux to surf anonymously?
[10:54] <muesli> pawitp: i even wiped my entire .kde a few times just to find a solution
[10:54] <pawitp> muesli boot the live cd and see if it works
[10:54] <zach> I'm having some trouble playing an .ogg file I recorded with gtk-recordMyDesktop. I already checked the file on another computer and it plays fine; compared the installed packages on both machines and I'm pretty sure all the relevant ones are installed on each one. Any ideas?
[10:55] <pawitp> zach what error?
[10:55] <tmbg> blekos, privoxy/tor
[10:55] <zach> The video "plays" in Kaffeine, but it's 100% blue.
[10:55] <zach> It shows up perfectly fine on my other machine
[10:56] <pawitp> try running kaffeine from the commandline and open the video, and paste the output
[10:56] <blekos> i'll google both thnx
[10:56] <pawitp> !paste|zach
[10:56] <ubotu> zach: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[10:56] <huashuai> is there any good newsgroup client in kubuntu?
[10:57] <pawitp> !find nttp
[10:57] <ubotu> Package/file nttp does not exist in feisty
[10:57] <pawitp> !find nntp
[10:57] <ubotu> Found: cyrus-nntpd-2.2, libnews-nntpclient-perl, nntp, openntpd, phpgroupware-nntp
[10:57] <zach> pawitp: Thanks, one sec...
[10:57] <pawitp> not so helpful
[10:58] <zach> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23851/
[10:58] <zach> It repeats that several times/second until the video stops.
[10:59] <tmbg> huashuai, I haven't found any I like, but Xnews works in WINE
[10:59] <zach> Shoot, sorry, missed one line that shows once at the beginning: "QLayout "unnamed" added to QWidget "unnamed", which already has a layout"
[11:00] <pawitp> zach: That line always show
[11:00] <zach> The one I just said, or the ones in the pastebin?
[11:00] <pawitp> zach: Can you give me your system spec?
[11:01] <pawitp> and the output of 'free'
[11:01] <zach> 512MB/1.4 Celeron M/Intel 915GM onboard video
[11:01] <pawitp> 512MB should be enough ram
[11:02] <pawitp> zach: And the spec of the other system?
[11:02] <zach> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23852/
[11:02] <zach> The other one has the same amount of RAM, a 2.0 P4, and onboard ATI
[11:03] <pawitp> 915M onboard video doesn't has enough memory then, paste your xorg.conf please
[11:04] <zach> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23854/
[11:04] <pawitp> I'll post a correction to that
[11:05] <zach> The fact that Beryl performs 10x better on this one (the one with the problem) than on the ATI one (which plays it fine) would be irrelevant, I assume?
[11:05] <zach> I'm just wondering since we're guessing it's a VRAM issue.
[11:06] <pawitp> zach: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23855/
[11:06] <pawitp> zach: linux doesn't play well with ati anyway
[11:07] <zach> I know. That's why I'm confused. -_~
[11:07] <pawitp> Zach: try the xorg.conf I posted
[11:07] <zach> So that's giving what, 64MB of system RAM exclusively to the video card?
[11:08] <pawitp> You have to give ram to the video card
[11:08] <zach> I know pretty much nothing about how system RAM gets divided up between the card and other applications?
[11:08] <zach> That's cool, I'll try it. BRB
[11:08] <flowingfire> Recompile your freetype library with the patented stuff enabled
[11:08] <flowingfire> Is there a way to do it?
[11:09] <zach> Those two lines under device are all that changed?
[11:09] <flowingfire> Hello everybody.  I was told that you can recompile your freetype library with patented stuff enabled so your text rendering looks just as good as Mac or Windows.  Does anybody know how to do this?
[11:10] <pawitp> zach: Yes
[11:10] <smithw> flowingfire: I know nothing about recompiling freetype library, but I've seen a tutorial on the internet that gives the same effect without compiling anything.
[11:10] <zach> BRB
[11:10] <smithw> Although it was meand for edgy...
[11:11] <smithw> I have it bookmarked on my work computer, but not here...
[11:11] <flowingfire> Smithw: Really?  I've followed all sorts of guides and taken their advice... I still think my text rendering is lousy lol... freetype must be updated!
[11:11] <smithw> I'll see if I can find it again.
[11:11] <flowingfire> kewl
[11:12] <smithw> flowingfire: http://jaganath.wordpress.com/2006/07/16/ubuntu-install-log-6-finally-os-x-like-font-rendering-in-linux/
[11:12] <flowingfire> thanks smithw
[11:12] <flowingfire> ... checking
[11:13] <smithw> ... but nothing for feisty there. and there's some ubuntu-only instructions also...
[11:13] <zach> pawitp: That got it. Thanks a lot! :D
[11:14] <zach> <Feels stupid for not looking for running from the terminal first>
[11:14] <flowingfire> suppose the same directions will work for Feisty?
[11:16] <smithw> flowingfire: probably. but on the part you have to install some binaries, take a look at this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=343670
[11:16] <flowingfire> k
[11:16] <zach> pawitp: Giving that 64MB to the videocard should theoretically have a positive impact on Beryl's performance as well, right?
[11:16] <titanix88> smithw:what about?
[11:16] <pawitp> zach: I don't use Beryl unfortunately
[11:17] <pawitp> zach: But hardware accelerated stuff rely more on CPU and not ram
[11:17] <zach> Ohh ok. That answers it. Thanks.
[11:17] <flowingfire> zach: How are you giving RAM to video card? What exactly are you doing? (because I want to do it, lol)
[11:18] <zach> flowingfire: What kind of card do you have?
[11:18] <flowingfire> Zach: Nvidia, and it poops out and gives me black boxes instead of windows after a while...  I assume it's just out of ram and the driver is badly written or something.
[11:18] <zach> Because you should only do that if it's an onboard card, right, pawitp?
[11:18] <flowingfire> so more ram to the card might solve it
[11:19] <pawitp> zach: and I never used(read: own) an onboard card before
[11:19] <flowingfire> zach: It's a PCI card, not a motherboard thing I think...
[11:19] <smithw> titanix88: non-native English speaker here, what does "what about" mean?
[11:20] <pawitp> zach: But using that on a non-onboard card actually specifies how much memory it has.
[11:20] <zach> Oh ok. Well, I remember when doing "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", when it gave the option to give a certain amount of RAM to the card, it said you should only do so if your card doesn't have any dedicated memory of its own. Is it safe to ignore that in the case of having a PCI card?
[11:20] <pawitp> zach: Yes
[11:21] <flowingfire> that's good enws
[11:21] <pawitp> zach: and it's probably a PCI-E card
[11:21] <flowingfire> news
[11:21] <titanix88> smithw: what r u talking about.Never mind , yesterday i got flamed by a pure british.
[11:22] <flowingfire> so wait--- you have to do a xorg reconfiguration to give your card more ram?  uggh.  i have my xorg set up so nicely though! lol
[11:23] <zach> pawitp: So, assuming the card has memory of its own, placing those lines you added to my xorg.conf will just add to that memory, right? As opposed to limit its total memory to that?
[11:23] <zach> flowingfire: It's as simple as adding two lines to the device section. ;-)
[11:24] <flowingfire> Oh wow... Can u paste-bin for me?
[11:24] <zach> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23855/
[11:24] <flowingfire> thx. :)
[11:24] <zach> flowingfire: But I'd wait for pawitp's answer to my last question before trying anything.
[11:24] <smithw> titanix88: ah... thanks! that was about improving font rendering on linux. and I think in international channels like this people should be more understanding of language errors... it's not like we're on #shakespeare or anything...
[11:24] <pawitp> zach: I'm not sure, but PCI-E card should not use system memory
[11:25] <toolej> oh hey
[11:25] <toolej> wait, never mind, it loaded
[11:26] <zach> pawitp: Sorry, stupid question, I guess, given you already said you never used an onboard card.
[11:26] <titanix88> smithw : i didn't know there is such(i should have asumed though). Err, someone will tell both of us to go offtopic...
[11:27] <pawitp> zach: I always use low-end graphic cards and see that it always has enough memory
[11:27] <titanix88> pawitp: graphics engine is more important than memory. I bet.
[11:28] <pawitp> titanix88: It is more important, but it is also important to have enough memory to use
[11:28] <bleepbloop> I am using i810 drivers currently but my device is 915GM. Intellinuxgraphics.com states that the "i810" name is deprecated and should be replaced with "intel" however this prevents x11 from starting. Is there another name for this driver?
[11:29] <zach> On a completely different subject, does anyone know of a good, easy-to-install macro program that has a GUI? My cousin's just starting out on Linux-- I showed him xmacro but I don't think he's ready for a command line-only program like that quite yet. :-\
[11:29] <smithw> titanix88: yeah, probably... anyway, take a look at this http://jaganath.wordpress.com/2006/07/16/ubuntu-install-log-6-finally-os-x-like-font-rendering-in-linux/ and this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=343670, if you're interested.
[11:29] <flowingfire> If I add those lines you guys were talking about and I want to give my card 400 MB of ram, would I just change the value of that line-- "VideoRam" "400000"... Do anything to cachelines?
[11:29] <toolej> Issue: A couple months back, I couldn't get XGL working because I couldn't get anything other than the mesa openGL driver working despite installing the ati package
[11:29] <smithw> It worked for me on edgy (which I have on my work), and the thread at ubuntu forums provides the binaries for feisty.
[11:29] <zach> flowingfire: Is your card PCI-Express?
[11:30] <toolej> apparently this was because my graphics card (x1650pro) was unsupported
[11:30] <flowingfire> How can I find out, Zach?
[11:30] <titanix88> flowingfire : don't be crazy to do that :)
[11:31] <zach> Umm... Does "lspci" indicate whether something's PCI-Express or not?
[11:31] <flowingfire> I have the ram to spare lol
[11:32] <zach> flowingfire: How much RAM do you have? You might want to check the output of "free" and/or "top" before going and relegating chunk that huge exclusively to video.
[11:33] <flowingfire> Well, I have 2 gigs right now only, but I plan on putting 2 more in
[11:33] <flowingfire> and i never use it all
[11:33] <titanix88> flowingfire: gift me someof that i got only 256. lol
[11:33] <zach> lol
[11:34] <flowingfire> hehe... titanix88, try sudo apt-get install more damn ram
[11:34] <flowingfire> j/k
[11:34] <pawitp> zach: linux always try to use ram, so free doesn't give the minimal amout of ram linux have to use
[11:34] <zach> Right. I just learned about that today.
[11:34] <zach> RAM not in use is RAM wasted.
[11:35] <pawitp> flowingfire: What card/driver are you using?
[11:35] <flowingfire> nvidia Geforce 6150 LE... and it really sucks on linux.
[11:35] <flowingfire> bad drivers I think
[11:36] <zach> So no one knows of a decent macro program for Linux (i.e., something that can automate a recorded set of mouseclicks and keyboard strokes)?
[11:36] <oliver_> hi, i need help fixing a boot problem (Feisty Final), can someone help please ?
[11:36] <zach> flowingfire: Which driver are you using?
[11:36] <smithw> flowingfire: I might be wrong, but theoretically nvidia's proprietary drivers are the best ones for linux...
[11:36] <muesli> Riddell: Bug #118470 it is
[11:36] <titanix88> flowingfire: r u crazy to share ur ram with a non integreted graphics board ???!!!
[11:36] <zach> smithw: From everything I've experienced/read, that's accurate.
[11:37] <titanix88> flowingfire : installed nvidia-glx?
[11:37] <zach> flowingfire: Try nvidia-glx, nvidia-glx-new, and nvidia-glx-legacy.
[11:37] <pawitp> I don't actually thinks that sharing ram to non-integrated card is possible
[11:37] <flowingfire> Everybody-- I actually have the proprietary nvidia-glx-new driver because it is the only one that works correctly
[11:37] <zach> Ohh ok.
[11:37] <titanix88> zach: it should be in nvidia-glx only.
[11:38] <zach> flowingfire: How often do you get the black window bug?
[11:38] <flowingfire> Every time I'm on my computer for more the ten minutes and have several windows open
[11:38] <titanix88> flowingfire: did u configure it properly?
[11:38] <zach> titanix88: Oh alright. I assumed that was what he was using and figured he might have better luck with one of the others. My mistake.
[11:38] <flowingfire> I can fix the problem by changing to xgl rendering and piximap crap.
[11:38] <flowingfire> but that's not a great solution, imho
[11:39] <zach> flowingfire: How much VRAM does the card have, and what are you doing when you start getting black windows?
[11:39] <njt88> hello everyone
[11:39] <zach> njt88: Greets
[11:40] <flowingfire> Mostly firefox gets black-windowed, but no application is exempt... It's when I surf the web, and open too many browser windows or tabs...
[11:40] <njt88> on every boot i need to sudo iwconfig wlan0 key open  --->  sudo dhclient   otherwise my wifi doesnt connect
[11:40] <flowingfire> How do I check vram... I think it might be 128 or something..
[11:40] <njt88> also, it doesnt show up in knetwork manager even when i have a good connection
[11:40] <zach> Hmm
[11:40] <njt88> odd hey?
[11:40] <computer> is there (and what is) the command to see what version of nvidia driver i'm using?
[11:41] <pawitp> computer: glxinfo
[11:41] <pawitp> compute: ignore that
[11:41] <smithw> njt88: having had wifi problems myself, I just gave up knetworkmanager and wrote a startup bash script to handle wifi connection...
[11:41] <computer> ok hehe
[11:41] <njt88> yet if i go to system settings > netowrking  it is there
[11:41] <njt88> smithw: yeah, i think its a bit unreliable atm isnt it...
[11:41] <computer> also is there a command to get the nvidia gear running
[11:42] <computer> !pastebin
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[11:42] <zach> Well, I'm running on an nVidia 7600GS 256MB, and I've only seen the black window bug twice in over 5 months of heavy use (e.g., multiple GIMP projects open at once, along with Firefox, Konqueror, etc.).
[11:42] <njt88> whats the easiest way to add startup progs in kubuntu btw?
[11:42] <flowingfire> zach: You're lucky.  The black window bug is completely unavoidable on a use-by-use basis for me.
[11:42] <titanix88>  flowingfire "nvidia-settings" first tab
[11:42] <zach> njt88: Drag and drop the shortcut to the program from the KMenu to ~/.kde/Autostart
[11:42] <smithw> njt88: I just put them in /etc/init.d and link to them on /etc/rcX.d...
[11:43] <pawitp> What is the black windows bug anyway?
[11:43] <njt88> cool ok
[11:43] <flowingfire> titanix88: thx-- I just opened nvidia-settings
[11:43] <smithw> njt88: or you can do as zach said, but that's only executed when you log in.
[11:43] <zach> smithw: Is there any benefit to doing it that way over the Autostart folder?
[11:43] <zach> Oh ok
[11:44] <flowingfire> pawitp: The black windows bug causes windows not to render, but just to display a big black box where the window should be.  It usually happens with Beryl installed and on low-RAM video cards.
[11:44] <smithw> zach: but you can put it on /usr/share/autostart either. however I don't know if it get's started only when some user log in or when the X server get started.
[11:44] <titanix88> flowingfire: np :)
[11:44] <computer> wow since we talking bout beryl here, hehe, i had these error msgs at start up, any fix come to mind? : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23859/
[11:44] <smithw> zach, njt88: but if you want something to start independently from the x server, rc2.d is your way to go.
[11:44] <zach> smithw: Say I have a script I want to execute and stay running regardless of whether I'm logged in or if I restart X (i.e., the script that serves MP3's to an XBox 360 on the network). Would placing a link to it in /etc/init.d do the job?
[11:45] <zach> smithw: They only start upon logging in with the method I suggested.
[11:45] <njt88> zach: so if i want to sudo iwconfig wlan0 key open  and then  sudo dhclient  on every boot without needing to put in the password, how can i do that?
[11:45] <pawitp> flowingfire I don't know about 6150 LE, but 6150 is an integrated chip
[11:45] <zach> njt88: Sorry, not sure. smithw seems more knowledgable on that than myself. ;-)
[11:45] <smithw> zach: not exactly... you would put the script itself on /etc/init.d (convention) and a link to it on /etc/rc2.d (runlevel 2)
[11:45] <flowingfire> Hmm... Maybe it is integrated... bhel
[11:46] <flowingfire> I know I have a video card installed in the PCI slot, but the way it was built is confusing.. maybe that's the TV tuner .. ?
[11:46] <zach> smithw: And as for having to enter the password for stuff that requires root permissions?
[11:46] <njt88> ummmm    heh - smithw:  sorta following that...
[11:46] <zach> flowingfire: do "lspci" from a terminal. Have a look at the output. If you're still not sure, pastebin it. :-)
[11:47] <smithw> zach: you can only write to rcX.d and init.d if you are root, since everything there is executed with root permissions
[11:47] <zach> smithw: Ohh ok. Got it.
[11:47] <zach> njt88: Get all that?
[11:47] <njt88> its a pain in the but but the device seems to default to restricted mode and wont allow for a connection
[11:47] <njt88> so no need for sudo in the there then smithw?
[11:47] <blekos> is there any amarok alternative?
[11:47] <smithw> njt88: in short: put your script into /etc/init.d with no sudos and a link to it on /etc/rc2.d
[11:47] <zach> njt88: What's it doing, exactly? Does it try to connect and hang at 28%? (That's the problem I keep running into with wireless.)
[11:48] <njt88> zach: it doesnt show on knetwork manager at all
[11:48] <zach> blekos: Why would you want an alternative to the best MP3 player known to man? :-P
[11:49] <zach> blekos: I've heard good things about Banshee, although I never could get it to run. Exaile's trying to do for GNOME what Amarok does for KDE, although I haven't checked it out.
[11:49] <njt88> zach: well, it did.  but it didnt work.  so i used ndiswrapper, and now it shows up in iwconfig and ifconfig -a  but not in the knetwork manager.  also shows up as wlan0 in network under system settings
[11:49] <blekos> :) 1. it is a bit slow when i search for a song in my question and 2. smg wrong with keep my collection k
[11:49] <flowingfire> Heh-- just checked 256 ram on the card... I don't know what to make of this output though: see http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23860/
[11:49] <fdoving> blekos: there are audacious and beep-media-player if you want winamp 2.x like alternatives.
[11:49] <smithw> njt88: also, do a ls -lah on /etc/rc2.d before naming the link. the scripts on this directory are executed on alphabetical order, so there's a SXX naming convention to specify the order of execution.
[11:49] <njt88> zach: but yes, it was hanging at 28% b4 ndiswrapper
[11:51] <zach> njt88: How hard was it to set up the driver in ndiswrapper? It looks like that might be the route I have to take.
[11:51] <njt88> zach dead easy
[11:51] <zach> njt88: Did you use the GTK frontend, or just do everything from the terminal?
[11:51] <njt88> i just installed ndiswrapper and did it all cli
[11:52] <njt88> zach: the front end did *not* work
[11:52] <zach> flowingfire: Sorry, not quite sure what to make of that, aside from that your card is indeed PCI-Express.
[11:52] <blekos> for some reason not all my mp3s are in the database
[11:52] <smithw> I wonder what's it with frontends in linux that almost always have trouble to work...
[11:52] <pawitp> VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C51 PCI Express Bridge
[11:52] <blekos> i did update & rescan but no luck
[11:52] <zach> flowingfire: ...which, based on what everyone in here is saying, means you don't want to try giving system memory to it.
[11:53] <pawitp> flowingfire: What's your mainboard?
[11:53] <flowingfire> pawitp: I'm not expert enough to be able to tell ya
[11:53] <pawitp> flowingfire: I suggest that it's an onboard
[11:54] <zach> Well, I'm heading off. njt88 and pawitp, thanks a lot for the info. Good night/good luck, everyone.
[11:54] <pawitp> C51 is an integrated chipset
[11:54] <njt88> zach: cya and thx!
[11:54] <flowingfire> ohhh ok
[11:54] <flowingfire> grrr lol
[11:55] <pawitp> flowingfire: The best way is too set the AGP Aperture in the BIOS
[11:56] <flowingfire> Hmm . . . Ok
[11:56] <flowingfire> Gawd I love Kubuntu hehe
[11:56] <pawitp> flowingfire: But that's AGP
[11:56] <pawitp> flowingfire: I'm not sure, but try that first
[11:57] <flowingfire> that might solve the black-box bug?
[11:57] <pawitp> flowingfire: Yes, or configure X
[11:57] <pawitp> Set VideoRAM to 262144
[11:58] <flowingfire> Ok... I'll reboot and be back in a minute.... thanks.
[12:04] <computer> my cpu is supposed to be 3ghz, but on cat /proc/cpuinfo, it shows as two 1ghz cpu, is that normal?
[12:04] <pawitp> computer: What's your cpu?
[12:04] <crimsun> that's likely its base cpufreq
[12:04] <sebbar_> hi, are the specs for gutsy already out?
[12:05] <pawitp> computer: What's the model?
[12:05] <njt88> smithw: I cant seem to be able to figure out how to make the link :s this is what i tried
[12:05] <njt88> sudo ln -T /etc/init.d/wifiOpen /etc/rc2.d/S40wifiOpen
[12:05] <njt88> but it is different from the rest
[12:05] <smithw> ln -s
[12:06] <njt88> urffff
[12:06] <computer> pawitp finding out those info, 1 sec
[12:06] <njt88> smithw: sorry.... my bad  :P
[12:06] <njt88> got it.
[12:06] <smithw> I always forget the order of ln, if it's link name or target first. every single time I have to make a link I must do a man ln, haha...
[12:06] <njt88> now for a reboot to see how things go
[12:06] <njt88> brb#
[12:07] <computer> pawitp cpu family: 6, model: 14, model name: genuine intel cpu... if these help
[12:07] <flowingfire> Hi. :) I actually didn't see an AGP aperture setting anywhere in the bios... But I did find a setting that showed my primary video card as PCI, and I switched it to onboard... no noticable result though....
[12:07] <pawitp> computer: That doesn't help
[12:08] <pawitp> flowingfire: It's probably not AGP Aperture setting but something that allows you to set 32, 64 ,128, 256MB or something
[12:08] <flowingfire> didn't see anything like that either... sorry :(
[12:08] <pawitp> flowingfire: Try editing xorg.conf then
[12:08] <llutz> computer: sudo dmidecode |grep -i cpu
[12:09] <flowingfire> good ol xorg.conf... how many times have I screwed with thee and had to dpkg reconfigure thee!
[12:09] <flowingfire> i have a love/hate relationship with xorg, ya know... kinda like with Ubotu...
[12:10] <flowingfire> Hey UBOTU!!! Your fly is showing!
[12:10] <njt88> smithw: cool.  100%  :D:D
[12:10] <njt88> smithw: thx for that dude
[12:10] <flowingfire> !life
[12:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about life - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:10] <smithw> smithw: you're welcome...
[12:10] <flowingfire> !hygiene
[12:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hygiene - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:11] <smithw> hahaha
[12:11] <smithw> sorry.
[12:11] <njt88> :P
[12:12] <njt88> !ubuntueffects
[12:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubuntueffects - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:12] <njt88> !ubuntu-effects
[12:12] <ubotu> For help with 3d desktop effects applications or drivers please join #ubuntu-effects, someone there will be glad to help you. You can read http://forum.beryl-project.org/ for most common problems or questions.
[12:13] <computer> pawitp srry had closed irc accidentally earlier, did the cpu info help? (was asking about whether it's normal to have two 1 ghz processors when my cpu is supposed to be 3ghz)
[12:14] <pawitp> computer: You're telling me some generic stuff
[12:14] <computer> pawitp yeah that's what i was afraid of lol
[12:14] <pawitp> computer: I need the model
[12:15] <computer> pawitp is there some command that shows my cpu model, i'm on kubuntu edgy, i used cat /proc/cpuinfo but that didn't give me anything useful, all generic info with that
[12:15] <flowingfire> Okay... I just edited xorg.conf and will ctrl-alt-backspace the x-server... wish me luck.....
[12:15] <flowingfire> or a few minutes of retrieving a backup with ensue
[12:15] <computer> !pastebin
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[12:15] <smithw> njt88: http://www.nongnu.org/lpi-manuals/lpi-102/html/ch02s02.html <- according to this, both you and me should put the wireless startup script on rc3.d, and not on rc2.d...
[12:15] <flowingfire> GERANAMOO!!!!!!
[12:16] <pawitp> computer: Sorry, you may try to ask someone else
[12:17] <Andrew``> what do I type to get to the root dir in Konsole?
[12:17] <pawitp> Andrew``: cd /
[12:17] <computer> pawitp yeah thx alot for trying tho, that was a pretty generic question i asked =)
[12:18] <llutz> computer: sudo dmidecode |grep -A 18 "Processor Information"
[12:19] <flowingfire> Well, on a bright note, my xorg.conf and my x-server are working properly.  On a sore note, I just tested it and the black box bug is STILL HAPPENING.... lol and argh.
[12:19] <computer> llutz thx, trying that out
[12:19] <computer> testing something else
[12:19] <computer> !baddevice
[12:19] <ubotu> If you are receiving an error similar to "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168", it can be safely ignored. If you want to get rid of the error messages then please visit this page: http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/BadDeviceErrors
[12:19] <flowingfire> !black boxes
[12:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about black boxes - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:19] <virusavirusa> can u help me with hacking?
[12:20] <pawitp> !blackbox
[12:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about blackbox - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:21] <pawitp> On a very different thing
[12:21] <pawitp> !info blackbox
[12:21] <ubotu> blackbox: Window manager for X. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.70.1-1.1ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 251 kB, installed size 768 kB
[12:21] <computer> !pastebin
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[12:22] <computer> thx llutz, that worked =)
[12:22] <Andrew``> why does a folder show up in konqueror, but not via konsole?
[12:23] <smithw> Andrew``: are these folder which name starts with a dot?
[12:23] <computer> pawitp there's a bit more info provided in: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23865/, not sure if this is enough, but much better than b4
[12:23] <Andrew``> smithw: nope
[12:23] <computer> thx for looking it over
[12:23] <Andrew``> it has a dot IN it
[12:23] <Andrew``> but not beginnjing with
[12:24] <smithw> Andrew``: which folder specifically are you talking about?
[12:24] <flowingfire> thanks for all the help everyone... gnite for now. :)
[12:27] <smithw> computer: I'm not exactly following you conversation, but I recall your CPU should be 3.0GHz... I don't think there even is a Core 2 Duo with 3.0Ghz...
[12:27] <pawitp> That's why I need the model
[12:27] <computer> ah yeah cool
[12:28] <smithw> pawitp: he just pasted, it's intel t2400, which (I guess) is core 2 duo meron.
[12:28] <computer> okies, srry for the random question, i'm pretty sure everythings in order, i was mildy curious =) srry for the trouble
[12:28] <computer> thx smithw too =)
[12:28] <llutz> t2400 is core-duo with 1.8GHz
[12:29] <smithw> it's conroe, sorry.
[12:29] <computer> ic, so everything's normal right
[12:31] <Andrew``> smithw: the tcl1.50 folder in amsn
[12:31] <Andrew``> oops
[12:32] <Andrew``> in usr/lib
[12:32] <njt88> smithw: hmmmm... well, it is now not broke.... should i fix it???
[12:33] <smithw> Andrew``: I don't think it's going to help, but try ls -lah tcl*. I'd usually trust more ls than Konqueror, though.
[12:33] <smithw> njt88: it broke when you put it into rc3.d?
[12:34] <smithw> njt88: or did it "just don't work(c)"?
[12:34] <hyuma> hello
[12:35] <jeanvargant> ciao a tutti!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:37] <smithw> njt88: sorry, I misread your question... don't bother fixing it. weirdly, when I type runlevel on konsole it reports runlevel 2 (?!?! should be 5!)... so, don't run the risk.
[12:40] <pawitp> smithw: Ubuntu does not run on runlevel 5
[12:41] <smithw> pawitp: any specific reason why?
[12:42] <smithw> or are just those old runlevel specifications deprecated?
[12:45] <makuseru> !ati
[12:45] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:49] <Andrew``> ok how do I use kate or kwite without root password access???
[12:49] <Andrew``> I amuse do having root password
[12:50] <Andrew``> I am used to having root passwords
[12:51] <smithw> Andrew``: don't use root password unless specifically needed and you know what you're doing. you can open a root kate/kwrite on kde by typing alt+f2 and then typing kdesu kate (or kwrite)
[12:55] <BluesKaj> Howdy all :)
[12:56] <virusavirusa> hydraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[12:59] <jf_> newbie i can't see videos cause flash install fails
[01:00] <BluesKaj> jf_: on feisty ? how are you installing it ?
[01:02] <jf_> well when i try to play the video appears the warning you do not have the plug in i click on it to aotomatic install but it says install fails then i try manually i download but when i click open file to install nothing happen
[01:04] <adi> hi guys can someone tell me how to mount a usb device so i can wr it on windows i mean  on windows the file system is FAT but if i mount the device with the -t vfat filesystem all files that i copy to that udb device cannot be seen in windows any suggestions?
[01:04] <jf_> now is working i got :)
[01:04] <cox377> can anyone recommend a terminal based bandwidth monitor that will show week / month stats?
[01:05] <tahsin> how do i stop amarok from starting whenever i start linux ?
[01:06] <cox377> tahsin: look under sessions and it should be in start up,
[01:06] <adi> hi guys can someone tell me how to mount a usb device so i can wr it on windows i mean  on windows the file system is FAT but if i mount the device with the -t vfat filesystem all files that i copy to that udb device cannot be seen in windows any suggestions?
[01:06] <tahsin> cox3777: how do i look under session ?
[01:08] <tahsin> cox377: how do i look under session ?
[01:08] <BluesKaj> adi, boot into windows and check there
[01:09] <adi> i did its fat
[01:09] <BluesKaj> tahsin:  at the login scrn
[01:09] <tahsin> ok
[01:09] <BluesKaj> and the files are readable , adi ?
[01:12] <tahsin> i couldnt find anything more than KDE,Default,Failsafe under session
[01:12] <adi> if i mount the usb device with the -t vfat copy a file then boot into windows i cnnot see the file i copied from linux
[01:13] <BluesKaj> tahsin:  check the kmenu , lock session
[01:14] <BluesKaj> adi , maybe you should have the vfat app on the usb device as well
[01:14] <adi> what do you mean by the vfat app?
[01:14] <tahsin> BluesKaj: My problem is ...amarok always start whenever i start kubuntu...i want to stop it ...so how ?
[01:15] <smithw> tahsin: are you familiar with the terminal?
[01:15] <jf_> my password do not work in terminal
[01:15] <BluesKaj> the app that enables to read write to a fat32 fs
[01:15] <smithw> jf_: tty or konsole?
[01:16] <tahsin> smithw: i always try to avoid terminal
[01:16] <tahsin> smithw: still im familiar
[01:16] <hyper_ch> anyone uses truecrypt here?
[01:17] <smithw> tahsin: terminal solution is quicker, gui solution is easier (if what I assume to be happening is what is actually happening). which do you prefer?
[01:18] <tahsin> smithw: gui
[01:18] <smithw> tahsin: fair enough. first, when you log out kde, do you always close amarok? (I mean by clicking with the right button on its tray icon and selecting quit)?
[01:19] <kristina> hi, when I try to launch gnome-hearts I get: **Error**: Couldn't recognize the image file format for file '/usr/share/pixmaps/gnome-games-common/cards/bonded.svg'
[01:19] <tahsin> smithw: hey im sorry ill be back in 5 min
[01:20] <BluesKaj> kristina, are you using a cd ?
[01:21] <tahsin_> im back
[01:22] <tahsin_> smithw: yes i always close amarok
[01:23] <smithw> tahsin_: open konqueror, click view/show hidden files, and navigate to ~/.kde/Autostart. which files are there?
[01:23] <kristina> BluesKaj: nope, kubuntu feisty... maybe I'm missing a gnome library? or is there a hearts equivalent for kde?
[01:23] <Pensacola> is there a way to disable smooth scrolling in konqueror?
[01:24] <tahsin_> smithw: its empty !
[01:24] <tahsin_> smithw: a .directory file is there
[01:24] <smithw> tahsin_: then try /usr/share/autostart
[01:25] <BluesKaj> kristina, not that I'm aware
[01:25] <tahsin_> smithw: yup found many files
[01:25] <tahsin_> smithw: but cant see amarok
[01:26] <BluesKaj> it should run in kde tho, that's strange, kristina
[01:27] <BluesKaj> the idea of a missing lib is very possible
[01:27] <smithw> tahsin_: hmm... try this, then. k menu, system settings, advanced, session manager. tell me which option is marked under the box "On Login".
[01:27] <_4strO> yop
[01:28] <tahsin_> smithw: restore previous session
[01:30] <smithw> tahsin_: this means that, when you log in, any applications you had running the last time you logged out will be opened again. perhaps amarok is not being properly close. try switching to "start with an empty session" and see if that works.
[01:30] <tahsin_> smithw: yeah you mayb right ...mayb i didnt close amarok before i logged off
[01:31] <tahsin_> smithw: why does my pc get very slow when i use some desktop widget with superkaramba ?
[01:32] <smithw> tahsin_: remember that, if you just click on the X button on amarok's window, it will continue running on the system tray. to fully close amarok, you have to click with the right button on its system tray icon and select quit.
[01:32] <_4strO> tahsin_: ctrl + esc
[01:32] <tahsin_> smithw: thanks for da info
[01:33] <tahsin_> _4str0: then ?
[01:33] <_4strO> and then order by %user
[01:33] <_4strO> or %system
[01:33] <smithw> tahsin_: that depends on your cpu, video card, x settings, amount of ram... there's just too many variables.
[01:33] <tahsin_> _4str0: then?
[01:33] <_4strO> you will have an idea on what is working on your session
[01:34] <tahsin_> smithw: _4str0: is it beacuse i didnt intall my graphics driver?
[01:34] <_4strO> as smithw said it's depend on many factor
[01:35] <smithw> tahsin_: possibly, but not necessarily.
[01:36] <tahsin_> smithw: so how do i get my graphics card working ...i have nvdia riva tnt2
[01:37] <smithw> tahsin_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto <- this will walk you through the whole process.
[01:37] <tahsin_> smithw: thnx
[01:38] <tahsin_> smithw: how do i make firefox my default browser instead of konqueror ?
[01:39] <smithw> I'm not quite sure, as I haven't done that myself... Perhaps within Firefox's Edit/Preferences dialog.
[01:39] <_4strO> tahsin_: K / system settings / default application
[01:39] <tahsin_> _4str0: thnx
[01:40] <BluesKaj> tahsin_, in the konsole : "sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser ", then make your choice
[01:41] <tahsin_> BluesKaj: i did it with K/system setting/default application
[01:42] <tahsin_> can you guys teach me how to install bootsplash theme ?
[01:42] <BluesKaj> well, i doubt it will stick , tahsin_ the cmnd i gave is permanent
[01:42] <tahsin_> BluesKaj: okay let me try it
[01:43] <tahsin_> BluesKaj: thnx its done
[01:43] <tahsin_> So how do install bootsplash themes?
[01:43] <BluesKaj> good
[01:45] <tahsin_> bootsplash themes?
[01:45] <tahsin_> BluesKaj: bootsplash
[01:46] <BluesKaj> tahsin_, you have to use sys/settings/appearnce/import themes...if you know where it is
[01:47] <tahsin_> BluesKaj: i want to change the kubuntu loading screen
[01:47] <BluesKaj> splashscreen
[01:48] <BluesKaj> in system settings
[01:48] <tahsin_> BluesKaj: that doesnt work
[01:48] <tahsin_> BluesKaj: thats just normal splash screen
[01:49] <tahsin_> BluesKaj: im talking about boot splash
[01:49] <tahsin_> BluesKaj: let me give u a link
[01:49] <BluesKaj> did you ;ool at the optins
[01:49] <BluesKaj> look at the options
[01:49] <tahsin_> BluesKaj: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Fingerprint+Bootsplash+1024x768?content=29662
[01:50] <BluesKaj> well if you have a link then import it to a file , and use import themes to retreive and install i t
[01:50] <tahsin_> BluesKaj: i wana use that file
[01:50] <zach> Greets, everyone...
[01:50] <tahsin_> BluesKaj: so what do i have to do ?
[01:50] <BluesKaj> download the file first
[01:51] <_4strO> no need
[01:51] <tahsin_> BluesKaj: then
[01:52] <BluesKaj> in system settings /appearance /import themes/ ...navigate to the file
[01:52] <westis> hi there. I just installed kubuntu-desktop from my original Ubuntu Feisty Fawn installation. But I have two issues: 1) I can't access my external hard drives (NTFS formatted), which I could in Gnome and 2) I can't change the language to Swedish in System Settings/Regional and language. Only US English is available, although Swedish is set as the system language...
[01:52] <zach> Can someone tell me how to find the PCI ID # of my wireless card? I've been looking through KControl, lspci, and KinfoCenter for over an hour and am starting to pull my hair out.
[01:52] <tahsin_> BluesKaj: that file isnt a .kcsrc file
[01:53] <tahsin_> BluesKaj: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/ThinkLinux?content=26495
[01:55] <zach> Does anyone here know how to found out the PCI ID of a wireless card?
[01:55] <tahsin_> anyways gotta go
[01:56] <smithw> how nice, hard drive failed on me.
[01:57] <BluesKaj> !wireless | zach
[01:57] <ubotu> zach: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[01:58] <zach> Ok, thanks, BluesKaj.
[01:58] <BluesKaj> westis, do you have ntfs-3g and ntfs-config installed
[01:59] <zach> I hate to be one of those people just asking for an easy answer (I'm usually not, but I'm at the end of my wits with this), but do you know how to find out the the PCI ID of a device? I've ransacked KInfoCenter and KControl, and I'm coming up with nothing.
[02:00] <tapas> any hint on where to start looking for the slution to this bugreport?
[02:00] <tapas> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/118402
[02:01] <westis> BluesKaj: no, I hadn't, installed them now. But I still can't access the external drives... They don't appear under /media/ as they did in Gnome and when I choose Open in New Window when I turn it on, nothing  happens...
[02:02] <BluesKaj> !pastebin
[02:02] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:02] <BluesKaj> zach , run a lspci and paste it
[02:02] <zach> BluesKaj: I'm already looking through a very specific step-by-step how-to on how to get everything up and running, and it looks rather promising, but I'm stuck on the step of finding out the PCI ID of the wireless card because it only shows how to find it using the GNOME utility, not the one for KDE
[02:02] <zach> K, one sec...
[02:03] <BluesKaj> westis, sys/settings/advanced/disc&filesystems/...check if they're listed
[02:03] <zach> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23876/
[02:05] <westis> BluesKaj: yeah, they are listed there, as /dev/sdb1 and /dev/sdg1
[02:06] <westis> but no mount point
[02:06] <BluesKaj> zach , either one of these : Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5005G 802.11abg NIC (rev 01)...or : Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
[02:07] <wildchild_> ;-D
[02:08] <BluesKaj> westis, try admin mode , then modify and the dialog will give you mount options ...but that as far as my knowledge takes me on external drives :(
[02:08] <zach> BluesKaj: Right, it's the Atheros one, but any ideas on where I might find the 8-character PCI ID # for it?
[02:09] <westis> BluesKaj: yeah, I'm trying that now and have given it a moont point, but I have no permission to access it,... But I'll play around. Thanks! Any idea about the language setting btw?
[02:09] <BluesKaj> zach, granpa
[02:09] <zach> ?
[02:10] <BluesKaj> I;m old and a bit slow :)
[02:10] <zach> Ohh, hehe. No worries. The smallest bit of help is appreciated. :D
[02:10] <llutz> zach: "lspci -x"
[02:11] <BluesKaj> I'm looking for an editable file that might have the pci info ...hang on
[02:11] <llutz> zach the "00:"-line shows the id in reverted order
[02:12] <BluesKaj> zach, i think llutz , has your answer
[02:12] <jf_> firefox shut down when i try to open preference,
[02:13] <llutz> zach: paste the 5 lines, beginning with the one containing "atheros" to pastebin plz
[02:14] <zach> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23878/
[02:14] <BluesKaj> westis, to make major changes in system settings using admin mode (root) is the way to go ...check regional & language .
[02:14] <jf_> any hints?
[02:14] <llutz> zach: should be: 168C:001A
[02:14] <zach> llutz: I already have 00:16:ce:0e:37:63, but that's just the MAC address, right? Nothing to do with the PCI ID?
[02:15] <llutz> zach: yep
[02:15] <westis> BluesKaj: using admin mode?
[02:15] <zach> Awesome. Thanks a mil, llutz
[02:15] <BluesKaj> yes westis
[02:15] <zach> *and BluesKaj
[02:15] <llutz> zach: np
[02:16] <zach> Peace out
[02:16] <BluesKaj> I'm glad llutz came along
[02:16] <westis> BluesKaj: well, if I go to System Settings/Regional & Language and Install New Language, Swedish is greyed out. I have selected is as system language, but still everything is in English and I can only select US English in the Add Language list
[02:17] <llutz> westis: you'll need "language-pack-kde-sv"
[02:19] <westis> llutz: thanks!!
[02:20] <llutz> westis: and maybe "kde-i18n-sv", "apt-cache search kde swedish" helps you
[02:20] <BluesKaj> ok westis , try a relogin
[02:20] <westis> BluesKaj: for the ext drive?
[02:21] <BluesKaj> for kubuntu
[02:22] <westis> yeah, but I thought you meant to get the ext drive changes working. But suppose you meant the language :) It's working now, just a few system settings still in English, I'll relogin in a moment
[02:22] <BluesKaj> llutz seems to know what to do with your probs ...I'm going to sit and learn :)
[02:22] <westis> I wonder if he'd know about the external drive issue too.... :)
[02:23] <BluesKaj> llutz ?
[02:23] <llutz> <- scrolling back....
[02:24] <BluesKaj> kde-sv ...hmmm svenska ?
[02:24] <westis> BluesKaj: yep
[02:24] <llutz> BluesKaj: i think so, thought it was -sw :)
[02:24] <llutz> westis: sorry no idea about you external drive
[02:24] <westis> strange that it worked out of the box in Ubuntu....
[02:25] <BluesKaj> parents were suomi/svensk...stoll speak abit
[02:25] <BluesKaj> I still speak a bit
[02:25] <westis> and the internal drives work just fine. Well, will Google around
[02:25] <westis> BluesKaj: cool! :) Kaj sounds Swedish :)
[02:25] <BluesKaj> it is :)
[02:25] <pawitp> !google
[02:25] <ubotu> Google is a very popular search engine: http://www.google.com  -  Google also has a Linux-specific search engine: http://google.com/linux
[02:26] <llutz> BluesKaj: hehe, i'm going to visit sweden next month. parents in law live there but fortunately they're german too :)
[02:28] <BluesKaj> llutz, westis...I've been in Canada since 1947 , when i was 4 yrs old so my swedish is pretty rusty and limited
[02:28] <llutz> BluesKaj: but still better than mine :)
[02:28] <westis> :)
[02:29] <BluesKaj> I appreciate you knowledge of English , to be able to help out here :)
[02:29] <BluesKaj> your
[02:30] <llutz> unfortunately it's also very limited :(
[02:31] <BluesKaj> most europeans with any education and /or intelligence seem to speak English very well , in my experience
[02:32] <smithw> BluesKaj, llutz: I found out that reading conversations here and on another channels, reading English documents etc. is the best way for any non-native English speaker to learn the language. Better than any English schools...
[02:32] <llutz> BluesKaj: except the poms we have to learn a foreign language if we don't want to be limited to our own country
[02:32] <llutz> smithw: that's true
[02:32] <smithw> it's only worse than actually living in English speaking country.
[02:32] <smithw> *an
[02:34] <BluesKaj> It's good to have the chance to exercise ones language skills on the interent/irc etc
[02:35] <BluesKaj> my spelling suffers from lack of keyboard skills :)
[02:35] <llutz> BluesKaj: don't try to learn germann in german irc-chans :)
[02:35] <llutz> -n
[02:35] <BluesKaj> I can't speak german anyway ...i lil french and swedish is abou tit
[02:35] <jacques> someone can tell me how I can st up my router
[02:36] <smithw> !router
[02:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about router - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:36] <llutz> jacques: set-up what?
[02:36] <BluesKaj> jacques, wireless ?
[02:36] <jacques> I bought a wireless router and I am not able to connect my computer
[02:41] <BluesKaj> brb ...system settings crash
[02:47] <cox377> does anyone know of a terminal based IP bandwidth monitor that would show total usage month etc?
[02:48] <aldin> anyone knows IRC for kommander program or anyone here to help me with that app
[02:51] <BluesKaj> aldin, look in synaptic or adept for kommander or in the terminal , type ;  'sudo apt-get install kommander '
[02:55] <BluesKaj> cox377, check this site : http://www.linuxlinks.com/Software/Monitoring/Network/
[02:56] <aldin> BluesKaj: i installed it, but thought for help with some widgets...
[03:03] <westis> BluesKaj & llutz: I found help in another channel about mounting external drives. For the user to have permission to access it it needs to be mounted with mount -o uid=1000 (or whatever the password of the user is in /etc/passwd
[03:03] <just-this-time> cable internet connects thru script I need to avoid end user messsing with command line
[03:04] <just-this-time> how do I make it work from clickin icon. the cable internet dialer I mean
[03:05] <smithw> just-this-time: you can make a .desktop file and put it on the user's desktop.
[03:05] <ReMiiRuru> How do I fix: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23881/
[03:05] <just-this-time> smithw: and ask it to run a script ?
[03:05] <smithw> take a look at /etc/share/autorun desktop files and you'll get a better understanding of what I'm talking about
[03:06] <smithw> just-this-time: precisely. just name it on the Exec= directive.
[03:07] <just-this-time> other issue
[03:07] <just-this-time> sorry
[03:07] <just-this-time> clamav depends on clamav-freshclam | clamav-data; however:
[03:07] <just-this-time>   Package clamav-freshclam is not configured yet.
[03:08] <smithw> sorry, I know nothing about clamav or any other antiviruses for linux. my network has just one linux box and one mac, so I don't use any antivirus at all.
[03:15] <Jose> i have linux and windows on my pc, uninstalling linux to reinstall will afect my data on windows?
[03:16] <ReMiiRuru> Jose: No. Unless you format windows partitions or something silly like that.
[03:17] <Jose> how do i uninstall linux
[03:18] <ReMiiRuru> Jose: But... why do you want to reinstall linux in first place? Usually it shouldn't be necessary.
[03:19] <Jose> is showing to many problems i have been for month trying to solve and i can not
[03:20] <llutz> Jose: just delete the linux-partition and create a new one (when in win)
[03:22] <Jose> i guess i have to to that from linux itself and not from windows right?
[03:23] <llutz> Jose: nope, you can do it from win
[03:24] <llutz> Jose: xp shows you "unknown partition", just delete it
[03:24] <Jose> no ia have try so many times without succes do i need special softwrae to do that or is in windows something to delete partitions
[03:25] <llutz> Jose: that was in w98/95/me/3.1 times
[03:26] <Jose> could you tell me what are the steps to delete it
[03:27] <llutz> Jose: ask in a win-channel
[03:27] <Jose> OK
[03:28] <ReMiiRuru> Can't he use partition manager from linux installer, if it's in his distro installer? He wants to reinstall it anyway after all.
[03:30] <ubuntu_> jhjhghj
[03:32] <acemo> could anyone see if they can unpack this? it seems to not be working for me atm.. :/
[03:32] <acemo> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Kate+Project+Manager+Plugin+(KPMP)?content=42653
[03:36] <bomber> anyone here use nvivia drivers
[03:36] <ReMiiRuru> bomber: I do.
[03:36] <bomber> do you run feisty?
[03:36] <ReMiiRuru> Yup. 64bit
[03:37] <bomber> i been trying to get other than the nv drivers to work with no luck
[03:37] <bomber> which ones do you use?
[03:38] <fuel> I have installed apache on kubuntu. where is the server directory ?
[03:38] <fuel> on suse it used to be in /srv
[03:38] <ReMiiRuru> bomber: First, what happens when you install nvidia drivers and then _reboot_?
[03:38] <wsjunior> hi guys. i have slow tranfers using usb2 is there any way to solve this? it just happens with large files
[03:39] <wsjunior> it seems its a know problem, anybody know a solution?
[03:39] <wsjunior> something related to sync and async
[03:39] <fuel> probably your drive has slow read and write rate
[03:39] <bomber> well looking through the repositorys i only find the nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-new and i tried both but didnt reboot ... i just restarted x
[03:39] <bomber> and it wouldnt start...
[03:40] <wsjunior> fuel: no, in windows its much quicker
[03:40] <ReMiiRuru> bomber: Well, did you get any errors? Or freeze+black screen?
[03:40] <bomber> i had to go back and edit the xorg.conf file manually and turn it back to "nv" for the drivers
[03:40] <bomber> i believe it was screen 0 not found
[03:41] <bomber> which ones do you recommend?
[03:41] <bomber> i'll try it again and write down the errors
[03:41] <ReMiiRuru> wait
[03:41] <dragon> please i need help
[03:41] <fuel> wsjunior: hmmm...... I am not sure.
[03:41] <fuel> wsjunior: or better i dont know
[03:41] <fuel> !apache
[03:41] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[03:42] <dragon> it's very important , i done something wrong :(
[03:42] <ReMiiRuru> bomber: when it fails run just type 'sudo nvidia-bug-report.sh' and it will create file with aaall logs. Very helpful.
[03:42] <wsjunior> fuel: http://kerneltrap.org/node/6933
[03:42] <wsjunior> something like this
[03:42] <dragon> i have done rm -r on a samba devile
[03:42] <dragon> device
[03:43] <wsjunior> does anybody else noticed slow transfer rates using usb 2?
[03:43] <dragon> pls somebody can tell me how can i recover data in samba disk ?
[03:43] <fuel> wsjunior: well I did have the same problem on suse 10
[03:43] <dragon> please
[03:43] <bomber> ReMiiRuru:  ok i'll try now and do that... wher does it store the file?
[03:43] <fuel> dragon : did you use rm ?
[03:43] <ReMiiRuru> in your home directory
[03:43] <bomber> ok thanks
[03:43] <wsjunior> "Maybe your distribution mounts you USB hard disk with the "sync" mount option enabled?"
[03:44] <fuel> on linux its not possible to recover data once its deleted. (by software atleast)
[03:44] <wsjunior> does kubuntu does that for usb 2 devices?
[03:44] <fuel> no kubuntu does not use sync
[03:44] <dragon> i have done rm -r on the samba mount point
[03:44] <fuel> check out the mstab
[03:44] <fuel> dragon: no, I dont want to sound negative, but its not possible to recover on linux
[03:45] <bomber> should i try the nvidia-glx or the nvidia-glx-new?
[03:46] <bomber> brb
[03:50] <bomber> boo yea
[03:50] <bomber> thanks a lot.... i for some reason never tried rebooting
[03:51] <bomber> all set now
[03:52] <ReMiiRuru> bomber: oh, that's great :)
[03:53] <bomber> yea... make a huge difference
[03:54] <bomber> whats the reboot do? activate the drivers in the kernel?  I figured it was x only... so i restarted x
[03:55] <ReMiiRuru> bomber: there's some difference in what nvidia drivers do and nv ones on startup, I don't remember what it was, but someone explained it to me before.
[03:55] <bomber> no biigie at least they are going now
[03:56] <bomber> thanks again
[03:57] <ReMiiRuru> Lol, no problems and thanks for trout :3
[03:57] <acemo> could anyone see if they can unpack this? it seems to not be working for me atm.. :/
[03:58] <acemo> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Kate+Project+Manager+Plugin+(KPMP)?content=42653
[04:02] <neoj> acemo: i made a deb of it yesturday
[04:03] <acemo> neoj: where could i find that .deb? =)
[04:04] <Andrew``> can I ask you guys what JDK file I need to download? .rpm.bin or just .bin?
[04:04] <neoj> acemo: i made it for my own use, its a simple checkinstall: http://joen.infa.fi/projectmanager_0.1-1_i386.deb
[04:05] <neoj> no fancy description etc ;)
[04:05] <acemo> neoj: as long as it works with default kubuntu installation im happy ^^
[04:05] <neoj> acemo: worked for me :) kubuntu feisty
[04:06] <acemo> Andrew``: pick the .bin
[04:07] <acemo> neoj: works here too =) thanks alot
[04:07] <neoj> acemo: yay, np :)
[04:07] <^RiaN^> hiii everyone
[04:17] <dominik_> Hello world!!1
[04:21] <Andrew``> how do I go one level up in a directory in Konsole??
[04:21] <GrueTamer> cd ..
[04:21] <llutz> Andrew``: cd ..
[04:29] <soulrider_> Andrew``: cd ..
[04:29] <soulrider_> mind the space between cd and ..
[04:33] <ReMiiRuru> Does anyone know how to fix errors like this? -> 'Fontconfig warning: no <cachedir> elements found. Check configuration.' whenever I try to start many applications?
[04:33] <gthor> test
[04:35] <soulrider_> ReMiiRuru: KDE applications ?
[04:35] <soulrider> or applications in a console ?
[04:35] <hatta> so I upgraded to feisty and it left me in xfce
[04:36] <olexander> anybody from russia or ukraine?
[04:36] <hatta> I tried installing xubuntu-desktop again but it didn't change anything
[04:36] <ReMiiRuru> soulrider: KDE applications, for example 'kate'
[04:36] <hatta> startkde is still in my ~/.xinitrc
[04:36] <soulrider> !ru | olexander
[04:36] <ubotu> olexander:    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[04:36] <hatta> how do I get back to kde?
[04:36] <soulrider> hatta: log out and clickt he session button, then choose XFCE
[04:37] <olexander> thanks
[04:37] <soulrider> ReMiiRuru: no idea =/ try restarting x
[04:37] <ReMiiRuru> Hmm, I just found out they are harmless and are caused by having old fonts.conf without <cachedir> entries.
[04:37] <ReMiiRuru> now, what do I do to get new fonts.conf with <cachedir> entries?
[04:37] <soulrider> ReMiiRuru: can you update the font.conf ?
[04:38] <ReMiiRuru> soulrider: how? T_T
[04:38] <soulrider> ReMiiRuru: i could pastebin mine, but i dont know if it can break anything
[04:38] <soulrider> did you install any fonts or something? or did it allways do that
[04:39] <ReMiiRuru> I did install some asian fonts, I think it was what borked things.
[04:39] <soulrider> uh, do you *need* them ?
[04:40] <ReMiiRuru> soulrider: nah, I might try uninstalling them, I'll just get their names first.
[04:40] <soulrider> didnt you use a deb package ?
[04:41] <hatta> thank soulrider that worked
[04:41] <mado> oy guys ... hello ...
[04:41] <ReMiiRuru> I apt-getted them...
[04:41] <soulrider> hatta:  :)
[04:41] <soulrider> ReMiiRuru: then you can uninstallt hem easily
[04:41] <soulrider> hi mado
[04:41] <mado> english isn't my mother-tongue but i hope you can help me ... hello soulrider
[04:41] <mado> http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/1161
[04:42] <soulrider> !de
[04:42] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[04:42] <soulrider> maybe that helps
[04:42] <mado> i already showed this in an kubuntu-channel in which my mother-tongue is spoken
[04:42] <ReMiiRuru> hmm, that error appears even during removal of those fonts. neat.
[04:42] <soulrider> lol ReMiiRuru
[04:42] <mado> but i wanted to know what you guys think ... more heads are better than less heads
[04:42] <soulrider> mado: i have never seen that before
[04:43] <soulrider> allt he pros seem to be asleep now, try in #debian or #ubuntu too
[04:43] <mado> well ... i get this error message when i want to start the kubuntu installation on my father's pc
[04:43] <soulrider> oh
[04:43] <soulrider> so its not isntalled yet
[04:43] <soulrider> uhm
[04:43] <soulrider> have you tried the safe graphics mode ?
[04:44] <mado> no
[04:44] <soulrider> try it and see what happens
[04:44] <mado> ok
[04:44] <mado> i will come back here when i know what happened
[04:45] <ReMiiRuru> Oh, I got it fixed, I know what borked things now.
[04:45] <PhinnFort> how can I copy&paste while keeping the formatting?
[04:45] <soulrider> ReMiiRuru: yeah
[04:45] <soulrider> PhinnFort: where? into here ?
[04:45] <PhinnFort> kword, or openoffice?
[04:46] <lunixman> hello
[04:46] <ReMiiRuru> soulrider: those weren't fonts that I just uninstalled... I realized one of operations I did 5 days ago changed my fonts.conf >_>
[04:46] <lunixman> i have one physical harddrive with multiple partitions
[04:46] <ReMiiRuru> but I had backup~
[04:46] <lunixman> unfortunately ubuntu didnt automatically detect them, what should i do?
[04:46] <soulrider> hello lunixman
[04:46] <lunixman> i know theres a proggie that helps detect mountable devices
[04:46] <soulrider> lunixman: do you know the numbers? and do you know where you wanna mount them ?
[04:46] <lunixman> just forgot what it iis
[04:46] <lunixman> yes
[04:46] <lunixman> hda5
[04:46] <soulrider> uhm, no idea
[04:47] <soulrider> ok, good
[04:47] <soulrider> have you ever edited fstab ?
[04:47] <lunixman> last time i remember i typed in a command that automatically detects extra partitions
[04:47] <lunixman> yep
[04:47] <llutz> lunixman: sudo fdisk -l
[04:47] <PhinnFort> soulrider: how about that copying and pasting?
[04:47] <soulrider> lunixman: youre gonna have to edit fstab and add that partition
[04:47] <ReMiiRuru> Oh, fixened it even better.~
[04:47] <soulrider> PhinnFort: im not sure, AFAIK they keep the formatting, but im really not sure
[04:48] <lunixman> ok thanks ill try that out
[04:48] <PhinnFort> soulrider: well, it keeps some formatting, but only the useless one
[04:48] <PhinnFort> soulrider: I have some super/subscript, and that it doesn't keep, but text size it keeps
[04:48] <soulrider> oh
[04:49] <soulrider> no idea then
[04:49] <soulrider> i rarely use office actually
[04:49] <PhinnFort> well, it's a PITA, and it doesn't even keep it when I move it around inside the document
[04:50] <soulrider> can you save the document adn open it with the program youre copying to ?
[04:50] <PhinnFort> soulrider: doesn't help, since I need to move it around
[04:50] <soulrider> oh
[04:50] <PhinnFort> it's chemical formulas from several documents, that I need to merge
[04:50] <soulrider> oh
[04:50] <lunixman> ok
[04:50] <lunixman> i did the sudo fdisk -l command
[04:51] <soulrider> i hanvt sued those in a while :P
[04:51] <lunixman> it only detected my hda5
[04:51] <PhinnFort> :P
[04:51] <lunixman> but its still not in my media folder
[04:51] <soulrider> lunixman: i suggest you edit fstab yourself, its quite easy actually
[04:52] <dr_willis> lunixman,  try 'sudo fdisk -l' ?
[04:53] <dr_willis> learning the ins and outs of the fstab file - is a very handy skill to learn
[04:53] <lunixman> yeah i tried it
[04:53] <lunixman> it only detected my hda5
[04:53] <lunixman> weird though, it detected it
[04:53] <lunixman> but i cant access it
[04:55] <dr_willis> you mean your 'user' cant access it?
[04:55] <ReMiiRuru> When I apt-get things, are install packages that were downloaded kept on hard drive or deleted?
[04:55] <PhinnFort> ReMiiRuru: kept
[04:55] <dr_willis> ReMiiRuru,  they are kept in /var/cache/apt for a while.
[04:55] <dr_willis> i think thats the roght place.
[04:55] <lunixman> yeah
[04:55] <PhinnFort> until you delete them
[04:55] <lunixman> even as root its not there
[04:56] <PhinnFort> lunixman: have you rebooted after editing fstab?
[04:56] <lunixman> not yet
[04:56] <ReMiiRuru> PhinnFort: dr_willis: Thanks for info~
[04:56] <lunixman> should i just type in the device name and mount point?
[04:56] <lunixman> is that all i need to do
[04:56] <PhinnFort> yw
[04:56] <lunixman> for example
[04:57] <lunixman> /dev/hda5 /media/hda5?
[04:57] <dr_willis> there more to the fstab then that
[04:57] <soulrider> yeah lunixman, you need some more stuff
[04:57] <dr_willis> the allredy existing lines in fstab can serve as an examplke.
[04:57] <soulrider> what you can do is copy one of the entries
[04:57] <dr_willis> then of course theres 'man fstab' :)
[04:57] <soulrider> of another partition youre using
[04:58] <benjamin> hi, how do I search and delete with the command line? find . -name 'searchstring' <delete the result>
[04:59] <benjamin> I tryed something like > rm $1 and the like, buth nothing worked
[04:59] <llutz> benjamin: find... -exec rm {} \;
[05:00] <benjamin> llutz: cool thanks
[05:00] <llutz> benjamin: or: find . -name foo  -print | xargs rm
[05:01] <dr_willis> theres lots of find examples out
[05:01] <dr_willis> watch out for files with spaces in their names
[05:03] <llutz> benjamin: filenames with spaces: find . -name foo  -print0 | xargs -0 rm
[05:03] <llutz> ^^ gnu-find/xargs
[05:07] <DJServers> hey ik have downloaded a .iso file but i have no cd burner what to do now?
[05:07] <dr_willis> depends on what you are trying to do. :)
[05:07] <llutz> DJServers: delete the iso
[05:08] <DJServers> i want to install it
[05:08] <dr_willis> llutz,  heh - i was being nice.
[05:08] <dr_willis> DJServers,  and what is 'it' exactly you are trying to install and to what are you trying to install it to?
[05:08] <llutz> DJServers: afaik ubuntu doen't support "fromiso"
[05:08] <llutz> doesn't
[05:09] <DJServers> well does it matter what it is?
[05:09] <dr_willis> all things might matter.
[05:10] <dr_willis> you want to some how boot an arbitary iso image file = Not going to happen
[05:10] <DJServers> no not boot
[05:10] <DJServers> just open it now and install
[05:10] <dr_willis> Now ya could perhaps use vmware and some how get around it.
[05:10] <dr_willis> DJServers,  booting the cd is normally how the installer works
[05:10] <llutz> DJServers: sudo mount -o loop /your/file.iso /mnt
[05:10] <DJServers> no this one is insert when you pc is started up and install
[05:11] <dr_willis> DJServers,  now ya know why we asked WHAT the specific iso file is..
[05:11] <DJServers> what does sudo mount -o loop /your/file.iso /mnt do?
[05:11] <dr_willis> ubuntu, kubuntu, puppylinux, some game?
[05:11] <dr_willis> !iso
[05:11] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type  sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint>  - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[05:12] <llutz> DJServers: so forget above, remove .iso if you can't burn it on cd/dvd.
[05:12] <DJServers> no
[05:13] <llutz> DJServers: you have to burn it on cd/dvd to start your PC from it
[05:14] <DJServers> but i dont have to start my pc from it!
[05:15] <dr_willis> if its a simple game/program that normally ya just run its isntaller.. then mount the .iso and  access it as normal
[05:15] <llutz> DJServers: the mount-command mounts that iso, you can access data in directory /mnt then
[05:16] <PhinnFort> use acetoneiso
[05:16] <PhinnFort> DJServers: search on kde-apps.org for acetoneiso, download the ubuntu package, and install it
[05:16] <PhinnFort> it should help you
[05:18] <DJServers> what is that?
[05:19] <olexander> how can I download firefox via IRC
[05:20] <DJServers> when i click on the download it loads in kate?
[05:21] <manton> I'm having trouble with my dsl internet connection. It isn't automatically starting when I boot up kubuntu. I have to go into network and turn it off, then back on again for it to work. Anyone help?
[05:21] <dr_willis> olexander,  not very easially. cant use the package manager>
[05:21] <dr_willis> ?
[05:22] <dr_willis> manton,  if ya can do that from the shell.  ya could put the commands in rc.local
[05:22] <manton> dr_will, how do I do that?
[05:23] <PhinnFort> DJServers: right click and select save to
[05:23] <dr_willis> /etc/init.d/networking restart      'might kick it in the head' if so. then add that command to the rc.local file in /etc
[05:23] <DJServers> ehm...
[05:23] <DJServers> okay
[05:24] <manton> dr_willis, how do I do that? And have you heard of this problem before?
[05:24] <DJServers> i never download packs :p just sudo apt-get install AcetoneISO-6.7.tar.gz
[05:24] <DJServers> ?/
[05:24] <PhinnFort> DJServers: isn't there a .deb there?
[05:24] <DJServers> o wait a sec
[05:25] <rollerskatejamms> I'm not saying this to be a troll, but why does it seem like Kubuntu is ten times more buggy then Ubuntu?
[05:25] <manton> dr_willis, I typed that in the terminal, but it said "fail"
[05:25] <PhinnFort> rollerskatejamms: well, you awfully seem like a troll coming with such unsubstantiated claims that have absolutely no use
[05:26] <DJServers> there is  on that site but when i click on it it directly opens it in kate
[05:26] <rollerskatejamms> PhinnFort: well i may seem like one. but the fact is when i run kubuntu i have all kinds of issues. it crahses. adept doesnt properly rectify dependencies, etc.
[05:26] <PhinnFort> DJServers: you must right click on the link and save as
[05:26] <rollerskatejamms> ubuntu works just fine.
[05:26] <PhinnFort> rollerskatejamms: Adept is a buggy POS, imho, but KDE owns
[05:26] <rollerskatejamms> PhinnFort: Oh I'm not saying KDE doesn't own. I love KDE.
[05:26] <PhinnFort> rollerskatejamms: don't confuse one program with the entire desktop
[05:27] <rollerskatejamms> but i find  that lots of apps randomly crash
[05:27] <mendred> hi when i run openoffice in kde.. it doesn't obey fontconfig settings..i need to do an export OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP=gnome (to trigger the gtk wrapper) to get sane fonts
[05:27] <rollerskatejamms> when im using kubuntu
[05:27] <PhinnFort> rollerskatejamms: checked your RAM?
[05:27] <rollerskatejamms> not kde in general
[05:27] <DJServers> i cant when i right click on it the stands no save as or save
[05:27] <rollerskatejamms> PhinnFort: No I haven't but if it were bad RAM, why wouldn't it also happen under Ubuntu?
[05:27] <mendred> is there any way to force it to use fontconfig with the kde wrapper?
[05:27] <PhinnFort> rollerskatejamms: well, how often does it crash?
[05:28] <DJServers> PhinnFort: There doens't stand a save as or save when i right klik on it
[05:29] <PhinnFort> save link as?
[05:29] <DJServers> yeah
[05:29] <DJServers> and thats an download.php
[05:29] <PhinnFort> DJServers: give it a new name
[05:30] <DJServers> what name?
[05:30] <DJServers> download.deb /
[05:30] <DJServers> ?
[05:30] <PhinnFort> yeah
[05:30] <PhinnFort> or acetone.deb, or anything that tickles your funny
[05:30] <DJServers> ok it now opens whit ark
[05:31] <DJServers> when i click on it
[05:31] <PhinnFort> DJServers: right click, and install it
[05:31] <alexalux> #ubuntu-ru
[05:32] <PhinnFort> alexalux: you can just type "/j #channelname" to join a channel
[05:32] <DJServers> PhinnFort: what program?
[05:32] <PhinnFort> DJServers: not open with
[05:32] <PhinnFort> DJServers: it should be a separate submenu, KUbuntu install or something
[05:32] <DJServers> o got it
[05:34] <PhinnFort> it should be in your k-menu afterwards
[05:34] <zblach> has anyone else had problems with cups?
[05:34] <DJServers> it doenst work
[05:34] <DJServers> it gets an error
[05:34] <PhinnFort> DJServers: you maybe need to install kommander
[05:34] <PhinnFort> !find kommander
[05:34] <ubotu> Found: kommander, kommander-dev
[05:34] <PhinnFort> !info kommander
[05:34] <ubotu> kommander: visual dialog builder and executor tool. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 1494 kB, installed size 3800 kB
[05:35] <DJServers> how to install
[05:36] <PhinnFort> DJServers: install it via apt
[05:36] <PhinnFort> DJServers: *adept
[05:36] <DJServers> ok
[05:36] <DJServers> search for kommander and install
[05:36] <DJServers> simple
[05:37] <PhinnFort> yeah
[05:37] <PhinnFort> meh... OpenOffice's formula editing is fugly
[05:38] <PhinnFort> and doesn't import formulas from .doc very well
[05:38] <DJServers> ok its loading
[05:39] <yuriy> PhinnFort: what's wrong with OO.o's formula editing?
[05:39] <PhinnFort> yuriy: I'm trying to edit a .doc document, I've saved as a .odt, but still it doesn't allow me to resize the formulas
[05:39] <PhinnFort> and if I try to edit them, most of the numbers are replaced with ?'s
[05:40] <yuriy> oh i guess working with ms word formula's might be problematic
[05:40] <yuriy> from scratch i think it's quite a bit better than the MS editor
[05:40] <PhinnFort> well, but you have that addin that everyone who's serious about formulas use
[05:40] <PhinnFort> mathml or whatever
[05:41] <PhinnFort> yuriy: look at this crap...: http://phinnfort.phil0d0x.com/stuff/screenshots/skjermbilde6.png
[05:42] <PhinnFort> meh
[05:44] <DJFrankie> DJServers here my konversation crashed now my real name DJServers is still here :P
[05:44] <PhinnFort> argh... also if I try to move them, they start jumping all over the place
[05:48] <DJFrankie> PhinnFort: Now it says Kommander is not yet configurated when i try to install donwload.dev
[05:48] <PhinnFort> did you install kommander
[05:48] <PhinnFort> DJFrankie: also, check in your k-menu
[05:49] <DJFrankie> o well i have to go eating now have a look at it when i am done
[05:49] <PhinnFort> ok
[05:49] <PhinnFort> good eating
[05:52] <sercik> Hi
[05:53] <sercik> after all i have returned to kubuntu
[05:53] <titanix88> hendaus: there?
[05:54] <lunixman> why is it that in ubuntu there's no Open Terminal Here option when i rightclick?
[05:54] <dr_willis> guess it got removed.
[05:54] <llutz> lunixman: in konqueror?
[05:56] <steve_> ur gay
[05:57] <titanix88> steve_: !!!?!!
[05:57] <PhinnFort> he left
[05:57] <dr_willis> Cat on the Keyboard again! :0
[05:57] <PhinnFort> :P
[05:57] <dr_willis> or Younger Brother.
[05:57] <dr_willis> :)
[05:57] <PhinnFort> :D
[05:58] <lunixman> llutz,: no in gnome
[05:58] <MementoMori> hi all
[05:58] <llutz> gnome is ugly ;)
[05:58] <PhinnFort> fugly
[05:58] <titanix88> llutz: kde sucks!!!
[05:58] <PhinnFort> gnome is stupid
[05:59] <MementoMori> where can I find an online free lpic 101 test simulator?
[05:59] <dr_willis> Windowmaker pwns  you!
[05:59] <dr_willis> :)
[05:59] <PhinnFort> ratpoison owns all
[05:59] <llutz> ion rulez
[05:59] <dr_willis> twn !
[05:59] <llutz> bla bla fishcake
[05:59] <PhinnFort> llutz: what has ion that I need?
[05:59] <PhinnFort> TWM
[05:59] <dr_willis> wmx !
[05:59] <dr_willis> :)
[05:59] <PhinnFort> ratpoison is actually usefull
[05:59] <dr_willis> 'Matchbox' is an interesting window manager
[05:59] <llutz> PhinnFort: whe tf needs a gui/wm?
[06:00] <PhinnFort> llutz: to have several terminals in view at once?
[06:00] <llutz> o
[06:00] <PhinnFort> :P
[06:00] <dr_willis> real men use screen :)
[06:00] <llutz> PhinnFort: "screen" helps
[06:00] <PhinnFort> llutz: ratpoison is screen for X
[06:00] <PhinnFort> :)
[06:00] <PhinnFort> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratpoison
[06:02] <dr_willis> every once in a while i get bored and try those alternatives..
[06:02] <dr_willis> they always seem to have some really 'odd' features  in one way or another.
[06:02] <PhinnFort> how about a browser war?
[06:02] <dr_willis> What was the one that all the settings were like in a 'database file' ?
[06:03] <titanix88> PhinnFort: w3m rocks!!
[06:03] <llutz> oh i forgor that. opera sux
[06:03] <PhinnFort> lynx pwns ye all
[06:03] <PhinnFort> links is for sissies
[06:03] <PhinnFort> or skipstone
[06:03] <dr_willis> dillo - because the name is amost dirty!
[06:03] <PhinnFort> (which is kind of neat, actually)
[06:03] <llutz> "telnet bar.foo 80" rulez
[06:03] <PhinnFort> dillo doesn't support CSS, otherwise it's very nice
[06:03] <PhinnFort> nc ftw
[06:04] <dr_willis> Now we can rant about how CSS sucks!
[06:04] <PhinnFort> yeah!
[06:04] <dr_willis> pure html!!
[06:04] <PhinnFort> purity, endurance and pwnage!
[06:04] <dr_willis> Ive noticed that recently web sites may look better.. but are less useable  way too muchof the time.
[06:04] <dr_willis> a few i visit - cant even be printed right any more.
[06:04] <PhinnFort> that sucks
[06:05] <PhinnFort> can we have a shellfight now?
[06:05] <PhinnFort> asmsh ftw!
[06:05] <dr_willis> dash vs bash!
[06:05] <dr_willis> :)
[06:05] <llutz> zsh
[06:05] <PhinnFort> heh
[06:06] <PhinnFort> http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/asmsh/
[06:06] <yeniklasor> araknofobia :S
[06:06] <PhinnFort> you even have to finish the sourcecode yourself!
[06:06] <llutz> coool, easier than "cat >/vmlinuz" all the time :)
[06:07] <dr_willis> hmm.. firefox wants me to get this plyugin for a site.. and its "(Unknown Plugin) (Application X-OLE Object)
[06:07] <yeniklasor> what is /vmlinuz ?
[06:07] <dr_willis> heh and the site works fine.. in IE. the same site looks identical.. and works.. so not sure what the plugin is even for
[06:07] <llutz> yeniklasor: usually a link to your actual kernel
[06:07] <titanix88> hendaus:
[06:08] <PhinnFort>  /boot/vmlinuz on modern distros
[06:09] <sercik> someone have install synaptic under kubuntu feisty??
[06:09] <sercik> there is a bug and i can't see shich packages installed ior not
[06:09] <dr_willis> sercik,  yes. works fine
[06:09] <dr_willis> for me.
[06:09] <dr_willis> i tend to install ubuntu-desktop
[06:09] <sercik> i don't see the square
[06:10] <sercik> before the name that indicates if packages in installed upfdated or uninstalled
[06:11] <dr_willis> cant say that ive ever noticed those.
[06:12] <dr_willis> under the "S" colum first colum ya mean?
[06:12] <sercik> i think the problem is that feisty use kde style also on gtk applications
[06:12] <dr_willis> I got green box's with stars on some packages
[06:12] <kamp382> hola
[06:12] <yeniklasor> is I delete vmlinuz and initrd.img my kubuntu won't boot up?
[06:12] <dr_willis> i do install that kde-gtk theme tool
[06:12] <sercik> stars are for upgradable
[06:12] <kamp382> soy de colombia
[06:12] <yeniklasor> if I delete vmlinuz and initrd.img my kubuntu won't boot up?
[06:12] <dr_willis> yeniklasor,  if you delete them - yep. i bet they wont boot.
[06:12] <sercik> dr_willis: can you explain better?
[06:12] <kamp382> colombia
[06:13] <kamp382> colombia
[06:13] <kamp382> colombia
[06:13] <kamp382> colombia
[06:13] <kamp382> colombia
[06:13] <kamp382> colombia
[06:13] <PhinnFort> shaddap
[06:13] <greg_g> kamp382: espanol en #ubuntu-es
[06:13] <dr_willis> sercik,  i got green box icons and empty box's and.. other icons in the S colum , theres a package that lets your gtk apps use  the proper kde theme/icons/decorations also.
[06:13] <sercik> i want to know about that package!
[06:14] <sercik> tell me please and i will install it
[06:14] <yeniklasor> dr_willis: Somehow my pc's boot is deleting or something (there is also windows) How can I restore my boot, if there is an error occur?
[06:14] <guillermo> alguien habla espaol?
[06:14] <PhinnFort> !es | guillermo
[06:14] <ubotu> guillermo: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[06:14] <dr_willis> if i knew the exact name i would of said it. :)  search the package manager I gues.s i cant rember what its calle
[06:14] <dr_willis> !theme
[06:14] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[06:14] <guillermo> gracias
[06:15] <PhinnFort> how can I move a friggin table from one page to another in OO Writer?
[06:15] <klobster> !la foo
[06:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about la foo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:15] <sercik> dr_willis: you was speaking about a package... not a website
[06:15] <klobster> !ru foo
[06:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ru foo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:15] <klobster> !ru | foo
[06:15] <ubotu> foo:    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[06:16] <klobster> doh!, forgot the pipe
[06:17] <dr_willis> The GTK-Qt Theme Engine (also known as gtk-qt-engine)
[06:17] <klobster> !la | foo
[06:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about la - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:17] <dr_willis> !info gtk-qt-engine
[06:17] <ubotu> gtk-qt-engine: theme engine using Qt for GTK+ 2.x. In component main, is optional. Version 0.71~svn20070224-0ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 98 kB, installed size 460 kB
[06:18] <os2mac> I have a shell question.
[06:19] <dr_willis> oh
[06:19] <klobster> !foo > klobster
[06:19] <os2mac>  I want to start that application from a command prompt and then free the shell so that you can continue to use it.
[06:19] <DJFrankie> PhinnFort: i am back
[06:20] <dr_willis> os2mac,  bash fundamentals job control
[06:20] <dr_willis>  command &
[06:20] <DJServers> !phpmtadmin
[06:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about phpmtadmin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:20] <dr_willis> do NOT use the 'close' button on the terminal window. use the exit command if you wish to close it
[06:20] <DJServers> !phpmyadmin
[06:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about phpmyadmin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:20] <os2mac> dr_willis: tried that it didn't spawn the app.
[06:20] <DJServers> !dev
[06:20] <ubotu> Interested in becoming an Ubuntu Developer? Get started here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment
[06:21] <sercik> i can't see boxes :(
[06:21] <PhinnFort> anyone tried Microsoft Office in Wine here?
[06:21] <sercik> i don't like adept.. i want to use synaptic .
[06:21] <sercik> i have tried office 2003
[06:21] <dr_willis> os2mac,  then ya need to clarify what exactly you are trying to do.
[06:21] <PhinnFort> did it work?
[06:21] <dr_willis> & runs a command in the background.
[06:22] <sercik> i don't see boxes in synaptic under kubuntu
[06:22] <dr_willis> sercik,  you may want to post a screen shot
[06:23] <os2mac> dr_willis: let's say I am in a shell and want to run a windowed app (adept_manager) but don't want to loose the usage of the shell window... how does one do that?
[06:23] <sercik> there is nothing to see however :)
[06:23] <DJServers> PhinnFort: ehm.. the install says kommander is not right configured
[06:23] <dr_willis> os2mac,    with xterm for example. ya would do 'xterm &'
[06:23] <PhinnFort> DJServers: have you tried running AcetoneISO?
[06:24] <dr_willis> specific error messages may still appear in the original shell  however.
[06:24] <DJServers> hoe/
[06:24] <DJServers> how?
[06:24] <os2mac> dr_willis:  what about in an instance where I have to run a sudo?
[06:24] <dr_willis> try it and see.
[06:25] <sercik> http://img527.imageshack.us/my.php?image=schermata1ve2.png
[06:25] <dr_willis> for a gui app you proberly want to use that ksudo (or whatever its called) not 'sudo'
[06:26] <sercik> i need help with synaptic
[06:26] <DJServers> ho nows a good phpmyadmin download?
[06:27] <os2mac> dr_willis: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23909/
[06:27] <titanix88> hendaus: there?
[06:28] <titanix88> sercik: what help?
[06:28] <llutz> os2mac: kdesu <app-name> &
[06:28] <DJServers> what de uninstall command again?
[06:28] <DJServers> apt-get remove?
[06:28] <sercik> Hi titanix88 i can't see the boxes in synaptic in kubutu feisty
[06:29] <sercik> so i'm not able to understand which packages are installed or not
[06:29] <titanix88> sercik: boxes?
[06:29] <sercik> see here:  http://img527.imageshack.us/my.php?image=schermata1ve2.png
[06:29] <DJServers> !apache
[06:29] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[06:30] <sercik> the green or empty square
[06:30] <dr_willis> Usage: kdesu [Qt-options]  [KDE-options]  command    Runs a program with elevated privileges.
[06:30] <dr_willis> os2mac,  for a GUI app use kdesu
[06:30] <os2mac> tried that and got similiar results
[06:30] <dr_willis> sercik,  check the synaptic settings - be sur that colum is enabled to be shown
[06:31] <dr_willis> os2mac,  you aint ssh'd or telneted in are you?
[06:31] <dr_willis> os2mac,  or doimg somthing else odd?
[06:31] <sercik> yes is enabled and is visible but without square
[06:32] <os2mac> no I am not in ssh or telnet but it's possible that adept_mangler just doesn't like being called from a command prompt.
[06:32] <dr_willis> os2mac,  i rarely use adept_manager
[06:32] <dr_willis> !adept
[06:32] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[06:32] <dr_willis> sudo synaptic    does work fine for me.
[06:33] <dr_willis> aint that great!
[06:33] <dr_willis> :)
[06:33] <sercik> i do kdesu synaptic
[06:33] <sercik> can i try to do gksu synaptic?
[06:33] <frojnd> hello there
[06:33] <dr_willis> kdesu synaptic woks for me also.
[06:34] <frojnd> how can I set konquror so everytime I would start it thhere would be tree view and not icon tree as it is by default ??
[06:34] <sercik> i have loaded synaptic from konsole and i can see a list of error that probably explain the lacks of boxes:
[06:34] <sercik> Warning, failed to load: package-installIcon 'package-install' not present in theme
[06:34] <sercik> Warning, failed to load: package-reinstallIcon 'package-reinstall' not present in theme
[06:34] <dr_willis> gksu synaptic  - also work for me
[06:35] <sercik> i try to search on google
[06:35] <dr_willis> i always install ubuntu-desktop so it probelry grabbed those
[06:36] <sercik> but with edgy there wasn't this problem
[06:36] <sercik> i need to install hundreds of megabytes only to have green boxes??
[06:37] <dr_willis> you expect us to actually kniow the answer to that...
[06:37] <titanix88> sercik: kcontrol->GTK styles-> Select another theme : Human
[06:37] <dr_willis> proberly not.. ya proberly just need to find the right package to install
[06:37] <dr_willis> titanix88,  oh yea - there IS that check box to enable the gtk-qt themes..
[06:37] <sercik> dr_willis: i try to install some gnome related package
[06:38] <sercik> titanix88: i have already see there but thereisn't human theme
[06:38] <sercik> Thereis QT and Raleigh
[06:38] <dr_willis> hmm - human is the default theme i thought
[06:39] <sercik> for gnome!
[06:39] <titanix88> sercik: use another style -> human doesn't work??
[06:39] <sercik> human is not present is list
[06:39] <sercik> Thereis inly  QT and Raleigh
[06:39] <titanix88> sercik: install ubuntu-artworks
[06:39] <sercik> ok thaks!
[06:39] <sercik> after adept finish to upgrade...
[06:42] <DJServers> !find xampp
[06:43] <ubotu> Package/file xampp does not exist in feisty
[06:43] <DJServers> !find phpmyadmin
[06:43] <ubotu> Found: phpmyadmin
[06:43] <DJServers> !info phpmyadmin
[06:43] <ubotu> phpmyadmin: Administrate MySQL over the WWW. In component universe, is extra. Version 4:2.9.1.1-2ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 3506 kB, installed size 13752 kB
[06:43] <Panda200x> Hey, how do I upgrade to Feisty in Adept (On Dapper) :P
[06:43] <DJServers> !phpmyadmin
[06:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about phpmyadmin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:45] <DJServers> !xampp
[06:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xampp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:49] <DJServers> what map sould i mount a .iso file??? to play it?
[06:49] <DJServers> in cdrom ?
[06:50] <binks> DJServers: what you stuck on with phpmyadmin
[06:50] <DJServers> o have fix that already
[06:50] <DJServers> but what map sould i mount a .iso file?
[06:51] <DJServers> mayby /media/cdrom0
[06:51] <binks> how do you mean what mapyou lost me
[06:51] <binks> or path sorry
[06:51] <DJServers> no in what map sould i mount a .iso file to play it like a cd ?
[06:52] <binks> !iso
[06:52] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type  sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint>  - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[06:52] <binks> mount it where you like
[06:53] <DJServers> ok
[06:54] <przemek_> hello
[06:54] <binks> przemek_: hi m8
[06:56] <incorrect> what do i need to install to watch movies from apple?
[06:57] <sercik> !multimedia
[06:57] <ubotu> Ubuntu 7.04 installs multimedia codecs automatically. For older versions of Ubuntu, or if you can't use the automatic installer, see https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - For multimedia applications, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultimediaApplications
[06:57] <DJServers> !lampp
[06:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lampp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:57] <DJServers> !lamp
[06:57] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[06:58] <DJServers> !.tar.gz
[06:58] <ubotu> Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with ark - also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[06:59] <binks> DJServers: stop flooding pls goto faq to serach howtos
[06:59] <DJServers> srry
[06:59] <DJServers> but i cant find the right thing
[06:59] <binks> what do you want to acheive
[07:00] <binks> you in dapper or edgy or fiesty
[07:00] <binks> or warty maybe
[07:00] <DJServers> well i need to unpack xampp and then install but i dont now what to inster
[07:01] <yeniklasor> How can I kill "amsn"? It is not giving response now :S
[07:01] <yeniklasor> killall is not working
[07:01] <DJServers> xampp is a webhosting program and i want to install it but i dont now how :P
[07:01] <binks> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=223410
[07:02] <franco> hiall
[07:03] <binks> DJServers: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=223410
[07:03] <DJServers> lookin
[07:04] <binks> ok :)
[07:04] <franco> how can I uninstall a driver via ndiswrapper? I tried "ndiswrapper -r nameofdriver" but it gave me this error: "couldn't delete nameofdriver; Inappropriate ioctl for device"
[07:14] <jonathan__> holas
[07:14] <Kr4t05> Hrm.
[07:14] <Kr4t05> Any shell-scripters in here?
[07:16] <sercik> ok!! i have solved with synaptic
[07:16] <sercik> i have installed gksu that install others dependencies!
[07:17] <kidizzle> @yeniklasor: ps -A
[07:17] <franco> [REPOST]  how can I uninstall a driver via ndiswrapper? I tried "ndiswrapper -r nameofdriver" but it gave me this error: "couldn't delete nameofdriver; Inappropriate ioctl for device"
[07:17] <kidizzle> get the proc id
[07:18] <kidizzle> kill -9 <proc id>
[07:18] <franco> how could i get the proc id?
[07:19] <DJServers> kmenu -> system -> kInfo Center
[07:19] <vbgunz> Kopete in Feisty still has the Format Toolbar bug where if you hide it, it still shows up :( Is there a fix for this anywhere?
[07:19] <sercik> also ps -ax from konsole
[07:19] <soulrider> franco: try with ksysguard, its a great program, similar tot he widnows task manager (but better)
[07:20] <yeniklasor> kidizzle: thanks
[07:20] <franco> thanks, I'm switching to Linux on my laptop, and these are my first steps
[07:20] <sercik> ps -ax or top from konsole
[07:20] <sercik> or you can do killall apps
[07:20] <kidizzle> franco: i was talking to yenklasor about the proc id
[07:21] <kidizzle> not about ndisdrivers
[07:21] <kidizzle> sry
[07:21] <franco> ah ok, thanks... and sorry :D
[07:22] <franco> so... no idea about how to solve my problem with "unappropriate ioctl for device", uh? :D
[07:24] <kidizzle> not from me, id rather pay $50 and throw intel card in then deal with ndiswrapper
[07:25] <franco> I can understand. On the how-to page, it seems so easy.
[07:25] <franco> (But it's not)
[07:25] <DJServers> lol
[07:25] <kidizzle> sometimes it is
[07:25] <DJServers> reading is the easy part
[07:25] <DJServers> doing it is then hard part
[07:26] <franco> DJServers: agree.
[07:26] <franco> Making a wi-fi usb adapter work on linux, is harder.
[07:27] <Tets> franco: What's the output of "ndiswrapper -l"? "Nameofdriver Invalid Driver!"?
[07:27] <franco> Tets: yeppa.
[07:27] <franco> that's why I tried to uninstall it.
[07:28] <dr_willis> Then it starts going backwards!
[07:28] <dr_willis> :)
[07:28] <dr_willis> saw that on a cartoon the other day
[07:28] <DJServers> lol
[07:28] <Tets> franco: I did some Google search about it, but nothing. Maybe try different version of ndiswrapper.
[07:29] <DJServers> -78 % :P
[07:29] <franco> Tets: it was the last one.
[07:29] <DJServers> o its now on 83% :P almost there! :P
[07:29] <Tets> franco: So try older version ;-) It helps sometimes.
[07:30] <franco> :D
[07:31] <franco> ah, btw. Let's try to solve _another_ problem. My cd-reader doesn't work well. And this is a big problem for installing other apps of kubuntu.Any idea?
[07:31] <DJServers> but you can download the apps
[07:32] <DJServers> or you mean buyt apps ? prof apps? :P
[07:32] <franco> right. But I would like to have all automagic with apt-get :
[07:32] <franco> :p
[07:32] <cpace> hey there everybody
[07:32] <DJServers> ey
[07:32] <Chakersito> hi
[07:32] <franco> You know: you open apt-get, say "install this", and it installs it.
[07:33] <cpace> I have a problem I'm hoping someone has the answer to
[07:33] <DJServers> that be nice you
[07:33] <DJServers> !ask cpace
[07:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ask cpace - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:33] <DJServers> to lol
[07:33] <DJServers> !ask | cpace
[07:33] <ubotu> cpace: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[07:33] <cpace> my bad
[07:33] <fogwar> franco: hey im having trouble partitioning my HD.. when i run QTParted it doesn't let me do anything, and I was wondering if hte XP disk will allow me to partition the HD as I need to install XP on it
[07:33] <DJServers> ;)
[07:33] <cpace> I just installed feisty on a system with a wireless adapter
[07:33] <cpace> I know that I need ndiswrapper but it is not installed by default
[07:34] <ian_> y does my konqueror
[07:34] <ian_> An error occurred while loading http://www.yahoo.com:
[07:34] <ian_> Could not connect to host http://www.yahoo.com/.
[07:34] <cpace> I don't have an internet connection to grab it because my wireless device isn't working yet
[07:34] <ian_> help me on thin
[07:34] <ian_> help me on this
[07:34] <ian_> y does my konqueror won't work n says
[07:34] <ian_> An error occurred while loading http://www.yahoo.com:
[07:34] <ian_> Could not connect to host http://www.yahoo.com/.
[07:35] <cpace> ian: can you get to any other webpage?
[07:35] <cpace> like http://www.google.com ?
[07:35] <ian_> no i can't
[07:35] <kraut> moin
[07:35] <DJServers> franco: this  pc is a pentium 2 and whit windows it crashes al the time and whit linux it is sppr fast :P
[07:35] <cpace> can you with firefox?
[07:35] <ian_> i tried but it wont open
[07:35] <ian_> my connection works with other programs
[07:35] <cpace> sounds like you may have something blocking port 80
[07:36] <cpace> like a firewall or something
[07:36] <ian_> just with konquerer
[07:36] <cpace> go to terminal (konsole on kde)
[07:36] <ian_> my kubuntu is just a fresh install from cd just a minute a go
[07:36] <cpace> and type    "telnet www.yahoo.com 80"
[07:36] <cpace> minus the quotes
[07:36] <vonkrolok> hi guys, I would like to know how do I run a script with administrator priviledges
[07:37] <cpace> see if you get a response
[07:37] <vonkrolok> I'm trying to install tex live 2007
[07:37] <blizzzek> Mathe
[07:37] <blizzzek> Mathe
[07:37] <cpace> if you don't get a response then something is probably blocking port 80
[07:37] <cpace> on your system or network
[07:38] <ian_> nothing
[07:38] <vonkrolok> hi guys, I would like to know how do I run a script with administrator priviledges
[07:38] <vonkrolok> I tried 'sudo sh ...' but it doesn't seem to work as expected
[07:39] <GrueTamer> do sudo su - first
[07:39] <cpace> ian:  so it seems you may have something blocking you
[07:39] <GrueTamer> and run the script normally
[07:39] <Chakersito> hi friends, i would like if anybody have or know ow to make a script to change the mac of the eths...
[07:40] <cpace> ian: what distro/version are you running (ex: kubuntu/7.04)
[07:40] <ian_> it just says trying (ip add) then connected to www.yahoo-ht3.akadns.net. then escape character is '^] '.
[07:40] <vonkrolok> thanks
[07:40] <ian_> yup 7.04
[07:41] <cpace> did you install automatix yet?
[07:41] <ian_> nope
[07:41] <ian_> wat is it for
[07:41] <ian_> im new here
[07:41] <dr_willis> hmm - i just got a call from my isp  "Sir weve noticed your system has been doing a lot of Uploading over the last few days"
[07:42] <dr_willis> "would you please double check your wireles router settings and so forth to insure you are not infected by anything you dont intend to run, and if uploading for a long time, throttle the upload speeds"
[07:42] <dr_willis> heh heh..
[07:42] <dr_willis> Busted for Seeding a Linux Iso Torrent!
[07:43] <cpace> automatix gives you some extra packages not included in (k/x)ubuntu
[07:43] <apokryphos> !automatix
[07:43] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[07:43] <BluesKaj> !automatix
[07:43] <BluesKaj> hehe
[07:43] <cpace> sorry
[07:43] <ian_> hehehe
[07:43] <cpace> guess automatix is a bad word around here
[07:43] <ian_> its ok
[07:43] <cpace> <--- new to this channel
[07:44] <apokryphos> cpace: it is
[07:44] <dr_willis> untill it trashes your system
[07:44] <dr_willis> and it HAS been known to do that
[07:44] <soulrider> join #kopete
[07:44] <soulrider> oops
[07:44] <DexterF> is the 7.04 kernel the same used in the live system?
[07:44] <cpace> I haven't experienced it trashing it yet, I guess I'm lucky
[07:44] <dr_willis> it also has a rather - interesting and flame filled  thread on some of the forums.
[07:44] <dr_willis> cpace,  you are very lucky then
[07:44] <dr_willis> then again with the newer releases of ubuntu the need for automatix is getting less and less
[07:44] <azzco> Hi I've got two soundcards and I want to select one of them... where do I do that?
[07:45] <ian_> i installed ubuntu yesterday n konqueror works fine
[07:45] <cpace> I play with my system a lot though, and don't use it as a primary server or anything
[07:45] <ian_> i installed ubuntu yesterday n konqueror works fine
[07:45] <vonkrolok> dolphin is much better
[07:45] <vonkrolok> hope kde4 will come up soon
[07:45] <dr_willis> i perfer 'mc' :)
[07:45] <cpace> ian: do you know if yout setup a firewall program?
[07:46] <Jack3> how come i cant rip to mp3 in k3b
[07:46] <Jack3> i have libmad0 and libk3b2-mp3 install
[07:46] <Jack3> ed
[07:46] <ian_> i just tried to erase n installed it again today but unfortunately this tym konqueror wont work fine using the net
[07:46] <dr_willis> Jack3,  ya restart k3b after installing those?
[07:46] <Jack3> yes
[07:46] <Jack3> well, unless k3b doesnt restart if i hit the x
[07:46] <ian_> no i dont
[07:46] <Jack3> but it showed the contents of the cd as .ogg
[07:47] <ian_> how do i check if i got one
[07:47] <dr_willis> Jack3, k3b shoed the contents? or konqueror?
[07:47] <Jack3> k3b
[07:47] <ian_> sori new on this environment
[07:47] <vonkrolok> dr_willis: what is mc?
[07:47] <soulrider> is anyone having issues connecting to msn with kopete ?
[07:47] <soulrider> i ahvnt been able to log in for a day now
[07:47] <dr_willis> ~info mc
[07:47] <azzco> Where do I select soundcard to use in kubuntu?
[07:47] <dr_willis> ~info mc
[07:48] <dr_willis> !info mc
[07:48] <ubotu> mc: midnight commander - a powerful file manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:4.6.1-7ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 2057 kB, installed size 5944 kB
[07:48] <soulrider> lol dr_willis
[07:48] <azzco> soulrider: I'm on MSN now, no problem here (Sweden)
[07:48] <^Rich^> how do i get wireless working? using inspiron 1501
[07:48] <soulrider> =/
[07:48] <soulrider> i casn log in with meebo\
[07:48] <soulrider> but not kopete
[07:48] <DJServers> where can i stop prossesings?
[07:48] <azzco> Hmm... I thought it could be a server that's down or something
[07:48] <DJServers> prosses?
[07:49] <BluesKaj> !wireless | ^Rich^
[07:49] <ubotu> ^Rich^: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:49] <soulrider> DJServers: ksysguard
[07:49] <azzco> DJServers: Kubuntu?
[07:49] <DJServers> yeah
[07:49] <soulrider> DJServers: you can also use killall <name>
[07:49] <azzco> Ctrl+Esc
[07:49] <^Rich^> !wireless | ^Rich^
[07:50] <^Rich^> i know before i did it it. it was just a simple couple of commands
[07:50] <^Rich^> but ill be darned if i can  reember what they were
[07:50] <cpace> sorry...was afk for a few
[07:50] <azzco> I really need help fixing my soundcard...
[07:51] <thirdy> how do get to the performance optimization dialog again?
[07:51] <thirdy> the one wen I installed kunbuntu-desktop
[07:51] <thirdy> kubuntu
[07:51] <^Rich^> is there a step by step on how to do it?
[07:52] <dr_willis> azzco,  and what brand is this sound card?
[07:52] <franco> [REPOST (third and maybe last time, I hope)]  how can I uninstall a driver via ndiswrapper? I tried "ndiswrapper -r nameofdriver" but it gave me this error: "couldn't delete nameofdriver; Inappropriate ioctl for device"
[07:53] <azzco> dr_willis: It's a sweex, I've also got an onbrad HDA Intel which I do not intend to use
[07:53] <dr_willis> azzco,  it would of been best to disable the onboard in bios. befor installing
[07:53] <^Rich^> is there a step by step on how to do it?? please noob here
[07:53] <azzco> dr_willis: I can't really find where to disable it I'm afraid..
[07:53] <dr_willis> never heard of a sweex - so cant help ya much more then suggest check ing the ubuntu forums for that speciifc brand/chipset of sound card
[07:54] <azzco> I've had sound from the sweex soundcard before but is there someway to save the settings from kmix?
[07:54] <dr_willis> im glad under Feisty i can get wirelesing going :)
[07:54] <dr_willis> azzco,  under some other disrto?
[07:54] <franco> dr_willis: you lucky
[07:54] <dr_willis> kmix just sets the volumes.
[07:54] <franco> :D
[07:55] <Weejewel|AFK> "Checking File Systems", how can I disable this? :-)
[07:55] <dr_willis> franco,  yep - intalling fwcutter downloads/installs all the stuff i need.
[07:55] <franco> fwcutter?
[07:55] <dr_willis> Weejewel|AFK,  trust me you dont. :) ya can set the count on the filesystems tobe very high befor a check is forced however.
[07:55] <azzco> Oh... is there some graphical way to switch sound settings?
[07:55] <dr_willis> !info fwcutter
[07:55] <ubotu> Package fwcutter does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[07:55] <dr_willis> !find fwcutter
[07:55] <ubotu> Found: bcm43xx-fwcutter
[07:55] <dr_willis> !alsa
[07:55] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[07:55] <Weejewel|AFK> dr_willis, it takes about 30 minutes..
[07:56] <dr_willis> Weejewel|AFK,  you imply you are seeing that on every boot up?
[07:56] <Weejewel|AFK> ya
[07:56] <dr_willis> :)
[07:56] <jf_> i need to uninstall kubuntu what must i do
[07:56] <^Rich^> ok, i have a dell 1501, and CANNOT get wireless working, last time i had this problem, it was a simple command to fix it, i found it on a kubuntu blog, which i cannot remember now.. i have since reinstalled kubuntu and cannot remember how to do it
[07:56] <dr_willis> your drives are either not unmounting properly, or are really munged up.. You are not using XP and that IFS tool to access the linux drives are you?
[07:57] <dr_willis> jf_,  use the Xp install cd's recovery mode and the 'fixmbr' command to remove grub. then repartition/format the linux partitions.
[07:57] <Weejewel|AFK> dr_willis- eh? ;P
[07:57] <dr_willis> !ifs
[07:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ifs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:57] <dr_willis> !ext3
[07:57] <ubotu> ext3 is the default filesystem on Ubuntu, and the most popular on Linux. You can read/write from Windows to ext3 via http://www.fs-driver.org
[07:57] <dr_willis> Weejewel|AFK,  may want to boot a live cd and use fsck on the partitions.
[07:58] <Weejewel|AFK> it does every time and they are correct
[07:58] <thirdy> how do I reduce eye candy in kubuntu, the one with slide meter
[07:58] <angasule> !DVD
[07:58] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[07:58] <jf_> all of i windows
[07:59] <dr_willis> Weejewel|AFK,  you got somting goofing up then - or it wouldent be doing that.
[07:59] <^Rich^> you guys arntof any help
[07:59] <Weejewel|AFK> well, it works fine, so cant i disable it?
[07:59] <BluesKaj> thirdy, what eye candy ?
[07:59] <dr_willis> ^Rich^,  wireless is a HUGE topic
[07:59] <soulrider> jf_: why do you wanna remove kubuntu ?
[07:59] <franco> I'm just crazy: I've installed fwcutter without knowing what it is :p
[07:59] <dr_willis> Weejewel|AFK,  i disagree with it 'working fine'  if its checking on my 200+gb drives it only takes a few secs.
[08:00] <Weejewel|AFK> HeHe
[08:00] <Weejewel|AFK> well whatever, it never says something is wrong
[08:00] <Weejewel|AFK> but cant i simply disable it? :-)
[08:00] <dr_willis> Weejewel|AFK,  the system is set to  auto fsck every so many mounts - like 30, that # is changeable.
[08:00] <dr_willis> just boot once and leave it on for days on end. :)
[08:00] <Weejewel|AFK> where is the config file located?
[08:01] <Weejewel|AFK> hmm
[08:01] <Weejewel|AFK> i dont get that part lol =P
[08:01] <dr_willis> its a core part of the boot scripts its not some little trivial setting
[08:01] <Dragnslcr> On the Disk & Filesystem Settings, how can I make a mounted disk readable by a normal user (it's mounting as root:root with 500 permissions)
[08:01] <thirdy> BluesKaj, wen I installed kubuntu-desktop, I got a dialog to optimize KDE
[08:01] <Weejewel|AFK> damn..
[08:01] <thirdy> how do I get to that again?
[08:02] <soulrider> thirdy: i wizard to setup KDE? like, you can select tons of settings aga in?
[08:03] <dr_willis> I ermber that wizard - its not enabled by default in kubuntu
[08:03] <thirdy> aga in?
[08:03] <dr_willis> what was it called...
[08:03] <thirdy> how do I get to that?
[08:03] <dr_willis> id say ask in #kde
[08:03] <thirdy> ok
[08:04] <dr_willis> I find that wizard rather useless.. You can set everything in it from the other theme/settings control panel
[08:04] <dr_willis> so it dosent really do much then give ya a place to set a few settings in one tight area
[08:04] <ferox> does anyone know how to enable/disable systray icons on kde?
[08:05] <stefano_> Hello all, I have an Acer Aspire 5102WLMI notebook and I'm having some problems with my USB mouse. I've searched some info on Google about it and tried the options it gave to me, but unfortunately none worked... did anybody have the same problem with USB devices?
[08:07] <BluesKaj> ferox, right click in the panel.../help/kde handbook
[08:07] <angasule> what's a good DVD authoring program?
[08:08] <BluesKaj> tovid, dvedede
[08:08] <BluesKaj> err devede
[08:08] <titanix88> sercik: solved?
[08:08] <angasule> thanks :)
[08:09] <BluesKaj> someone mentioned avidemux , but Ihaven't tried it
[08:09] <dr_willis> i use that all the time BluesKaj
[08:09] <dr_willis> ti convert videos to play on my gp2x
[08:09] <BluesKaj> my fav is tovid ...comes in both gui and cli versions
[08:10] <angasule> tovid doesn't show up in the search, though
[08:10] <angasule> and devede is gtk2 :/
[08:10] <titanix88> hendaus: wb.
[08:11] <Minataku> Heya, dr_willis
[08:11] <franco> [Simplified repost]  I installed a driver for my wi-fi adapter via ndiswrapper, but I had this message: "Invalid driver". How can I solve this problem and use my wi-fi adapter?
[08:12] <BluesKaj> angasule, http://tovid.wikia.com/wiki/Tovid_changelog
[08:12] <dr_willis> Minataku,  i just got a call from my ISP.. aparently i was 'uploading a lot  of data' over the last few days. :)
[08:13] <dr_willis> Told them it was a Linux ISO torrent. (which it was) well part of it was.. :)
[08:13] <titanix88> BluesKaj: hey :0
[08:13] <angasule> dr_willis: I would have been much less polite...
[08:13] <angasule> but then, my ISP is borderline criminal
[08:13] <dr_willis> angasule,  but that was the truth.. oddly enough. :) LinuxMint3.0 came out..
[08:14] <pincker> helo everybody
[08:14] <dr_willis> they asked me to throttle down the uploads if they will be going on for a long time.  heh
[08:14] <angasule> dr_willis: but it's none of their business
[08:14] <titanix88> dr_willis : why they care about what u dload or not? isn't that pishing?
[08:14] <Minataku> dr_willis: Heh
[08:14] <pincker> i have a question
[08:14] <Minataku> I've never had an issue like that with mine
[08:14] <dr_willis> titanix88,  aparently it was the Upload that triggered it.
[08:14] <angasule> seriously, if they don't want you to use the bandwidth, why do they sell it?
[08:14] <BluesKaj> hey titanix88
[08:14] <pincker> could you tel me how started nvida configuration panel ?
[08:15] <payam> #ubuntu-se
[08:15] <payam> #ubuntu-ir
[08:15] <llutz> payam: alt-f2: nvidia-settings
[08:15] <titanix88> pincker: "nvidia-settings"
[08:15] <Minataku> dr_willis: I guess they just want you to throttle back, at least they're not threatening you
[08:15] <pincker> ok, i try it
[08:15] <dr_willis> Minataku,  yea - thats what the guy impled. :)
[08:15] <Minataku> ^^
[08:16] <pincker> it works, thanks :)
[08:16] <dr_willis> but i allredy got my iso now..  and some other things as well. heh
[08:16] <Minataku> dr_willis: Find a box and wrap or too busy finding incredibly obscure crap for your wife?
[08:16] <BluesKaj> dr_willis, got a big server ?
[08:16] <payam> llutz:what are you talking about?
[08:16] <thedeviantone> Can anyone assist me with compiling a kernel for SCSI controller support?
[08:16] <dr_willis> BluesKaj,  no really. Just  been torenting a linux iso and 2 other torrents this weekend.
[08:16] <llutz> ups, payam sry, was for pincker
[08:17] <dr_willis> Minataku,  got a box. need some bubble wrap.. cleaning up the basement also. looking for any other parts.
[08:17] <BluesKaj> oh really dr_willis, and they chastized you for that ...wow
[08:17] <dr_willis> Minataku,  where are you anyway?
[08:17] <titanix88> isp's are damned in bangladesh to even restrict users from using specific sites.
[08:17] <dr_willis> BluesKaj,  yea - i 'think' they might of been thinking  i had a unsecured wireless router. that was their first question.
[08:18] <BluesKaj> ok, shared network
[08:18] <dr_willis> I do have a new laptop with wireless.. that actually COULD of been infected or somthing.
[08:18] <titanix88> dAmned isps >(
[08:18] <dr_willis> wife had turned on her wirleess on it. even tho she is wired
[08:18] <Minataku> dr_willis: Eastern Virginia
[08:18] <BluesKaj> worried about neighbours piggybacking
[08:19] <startswithz_> I recently installed a windows system onto a second harddrive on my kubuntu machine
[08:19] <startswithz_> I was able to successfully boot into both a couple of times
[08:19] <startswithz_> but then the kubuntu system broke
[08:19] <startswithz_> I can't even open the filesystem in knoppix
[08:19] <dr_willis> Minataku,  ok :) at least its not Outer-Mongolia!
[08:19] <dr_willis> Minataku,  just close! :)
[08:19] <Minataku> dr_willis: If you have any other interesting systems that you don't want, rattle them off in PM ;3
[08:19] <dr_willis> Rocky Mountians.. and so on. :)
[08:20] <Minataku> Cool
[08:20] <dr_willis> Minataku,  just an apple 2c, that semi-portable one. and a macSE. and a few C64s
[08:20] <Minataku> Shouldn't cost me too much then
[08:20] <Minataku> SE/30?
[08:20] <dr_willis> got rid of the Ti's  at a rummage sale
[08:20] <dr_willis> Hmm.. Not sure what SE it is.. small screen b/w  external 5mb hd.
[08:20] <dr_willis> 2 floppy drives
[08:21] <Minataku> Hm
[08:21] <dr_willis> it does work :)
[08:21] <dr_willis> wife wanted me to set it up for her.. then she saw the screen
[08:21] <Minataku> Hm... kinda heavy, though, I bet
[08:21] <Minataku> Heh
[08:21] <Minataku> I have a Mac Classic here
[08:21] <Yatsu> Im so glad I made the switch to linux
[08:21] <dr_willis> even got some games on it. Yea its a bit heavy. about  as heavy as a small tv.
[08:21] <Minataku> Hm
[08:22] <Minataku> I'll think over that
[08:22] <dr_willis> since its a monitor built in..
[08:22] <Minataku> I definitely want the HDD at least, though ;3
[08:22] <dr_willis> I got an iMACDV also. :)
[08:22] <dr_willis> hehheh..
[08:22] <titanix88> Yatsu: :)
[08:22] <Minataku> iMACDV?
[08:22] <dr_willis> scsi  5mb :)
[08:22] <dr_willis> Minataku,  one of their Purty "grey" imacs shen they had all the colors a few years back
[08:22] <Minataku> dr_willis: Can always open it up and replace it with a larger one
[08:22] <Minataku> dr_willis: Coo
[08:22] <titanix88> dr_willis : it's a kubuntu support channel! REmember?
[08:23] <dr_willis> ppc 500mhz DVD drive.  my mom may want it however for her email/web surfing. it aint much of an imac - but it does have osx on it.
[08:23] <dr_willis> Kubuntu PPC runs on it. :)
[08:23] <Minataku> dr_willis: Heehee
[08:23] <dr_willis> ppc support got dropped dident it?
[08:23] <Minataku> Thankfully there are other distros still with PPC support
[08:23] <titanix88> dr_willis: bebebe...>(
[08:23] <dr_willis> I SO should of put Kubuntu on the wifes new laptop and told her  it was WindiowsVista
[08:23] <Minataku> I believe Debian supports all of 'em
[08:23] <Yatsu> I originally had gnome but decided it was time to get rid of gnome, so I installed kde
[08:23] <Minataku> I know NetBSD supports almost anything
[08:24] <payam> what the hell is SO?
[08:24] <Yatsu> Kde is working much better for some reason
[08:24] <dr_willis> SO ?
[08:24] <Minataku> The word "so" in caps for emphasis
[08:24] <marta> i have grub +  kubuntu and windows, and i want to reinstall windows keeping intact my kubunto OS what should i do first?
[08:24] <dr_willis> Star Office ?
[08:24] <titanix88> dr_willis: how come ur wife not be in this channel(since u talk a lot abt her ;)
[08:24] <hatta> hey, is it possible to have kubuntu do a lazy unmount (like umount -l) when ejecting the CD?
[08:25] <Minataku> dr_willis: He was referring to [14:23:45]  dr_willis I SO should of put Kubuntu on the wifes new laptop and told her  it was WindiowsVista
[08:25] <dr_willis> titanix88,  she used to hang in yahoo Chat rooms - she never talked.. just listened to everyone else.. *how dull*
[08:25] <Minataku> Heehee
[08:25] <dr_willis> heh heh.
[08:25] <dr_willis> "For sure dude! like we had this big wave ! and it was So Gnarley!"
[08:25] <arne_> hy
[08:26] <hatta> I really hate tracking down wtf ever has /cdrom open
[08:26] <Yatsu> Hmm my ati card came up as restricted hardware, but the 3d acceleration still works
[08:26] <payam> what ois SO?
[08:26] <titanix88> marta: u should first backup every important doc first, then install windows & kubutu whoissshhh....reinstall it.
[08:27] <hatta> I've never had a problem with umount -l, I don't see why kubuntu doesn't do it by default
[08:27] <dr_willis> payam,  a way people speak   "she was SO! HOT!"
[08:27] <marta> but reinstalling windows will keep kubuntu ?
[08:27] <payam> why did you write with big  word then?
[08:28] <titanix88> payam: where did u get it :-?
[08:28] <payam> waite
[08:28] <llutz> marta: it will overwrite grub
 The word "so" in caps for emphasis
[08:28] <llutz> !grub|marta
[08:28] <ubotu> marta: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[08:28] <payam> here
[08:28] <payam>  I SO should of put Kubuntu on the wifes new laptop and told her  it was WindiowsVista
[08:28] <marta> dual boot will disapear
[08:29] <titanix88> marta : windows literally wipes out the boot sector :(
[08:29] <llutz> marta: follow ubotu to reinstall grub after installation
[08:29] <llutz> marta: and, surprise, dual-boot works again :)
[08:29] <Minataku> Heehee
[08:29] <marta> OK
[08:30] <Minataku> Yeah, Windows is an ass
[08:30] <titanix88> llutz: it did not work for me cause i had my / in a logical partition. :(
[08:30] <llutz> Minataku: no, just kind of blind
[08:31] <Minataku> No, it's an ass
[08:31] <dr_willis> Minataku,  an ASS!
[08:31] <Minataku> It used to deliberately destroy OS/2 Boot Manager partitions
[08:31] <angasule> a donkey?
[08:31] <Minataku> It may still do so
[08:31] <llutz> titanix88: that usually makes no difference
[08:31] <titanix88> llutz : even vista ignores linux. What do u say? it's tactical ignorence?
[08:31] <Minataku> angasule: Think of the colloquial definition
[08:32] <llutz> titanix88: wtf is vista? ;)
[08:32] <Minataku> titanix88: Absolute fear
[08:32] <Minataku> That's what it is
[08:32] <GrueTamer> no, its tactical ignorance
[08:32] <GrueTamer> titanix88 is absolutely right
[08:32] <dr_willis> llutz,  the new flagship of the borg!
[08:32] <angasule> Ilokaasu: it's 'sight' in spanish, and sounds similar to the spanish word for 'BS'
[08:32] <angasule> Minataku: let me remain ignorant of your dirty talk :P
[08:32] <Minataku> dr_willis: Except instead of a cube made out of pipes and framework and such
[08:33] <Minataku> Vista is a cube made out of garbage
[08:33] <Minataku> But it's their largest one so far!
[08:33] <dr_willis> with a glossy front end
[08:33] <Minataku> And all the crushed glass and flecks of metal make it look all shiny
[08:33] <BluesKaj> marta , you may have a hidden grub menu afterwards , so you can fix that by editing the /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:34] <GrueTamer> Vista is a patched version of xp which is a patched version of 2000 which is an upgrade over 98 which is what 95 shouldve been which was a downstep from 3.1 which was the last step before DOS started to get eliminated
[08:34] <MaTiAz> GrueTamer: Uh no
[08:34] <Minataku> Wrong
[08:34] <dr_willis> which was a ripoff of cpm?
[08:34] <MaTiAz> Windows 2000 is an upgrade of NT
[08:34] <GrueTamer> oh, right, my bad
[08:34] <Minataku> NT and 32 were never one and the same
[08:34] <fdoving> !offtopic
[08:34] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[08:34] <MaTiAz> Yeah
[08:34] <GrueTamer> that was a dumb mistake :)
[08:35] <angasule> I want a KDE DVD authoring program!
[08:35] <angasule> Minataku: write one for me now
[08:35] <BluesKaj> the offtopic policeman is back ! :) ...hi fdoving
[08:35] <fdoving> angasule: seen kmediafactory ?
[08:35] <Minataku> angasule: It won't write DVDs... or anything else
[08:35] <Minataku> Is that okay?
[08:35] <Minataku> If so, I'll get right on it
[08:35] <Minataku> XD
[08:35] <Minataku> Seriously, though, sorry, not gonna happen X3
[08:35] <angasule> Minataku: but will it have the word 'author' in the name?
[08:35] <BluesKaj> angasule, http://tovid.wikia.com/wiki/Tovid_changelog
[08:36] <fdoving> hi blueskaj :)
[08:36] <BluesKaj>  :)
[08:36] <angasule> BluesKaj: that uses Tcl/Tk, are you kidding me?
[08:37] <BluesKaj> no angasule ,it works and works well
[08:37] <dr_willis> Darn Young Kids with their Fancy Smanchy  languages!
[08:37] <dr_willis> Comal was good enough for me!
[08:38] <angasule> BluesKaj: 'no'? It says right there it uses Tkinter
[08:38] <titanix88> angasule : my dumb brain , but dvd authoring means  :-?
[08:38] <GrueTamer> probably means makin dvd's
[08:38] <dr_willis> angasule,  'no hes not kidding you'
[08:38] <angasule> making DVD-video
[08:38] <BluesKaj> angasule, they have a room here #tovid
[08:38] <angasule> dr_willis: COBOL for teh win :P
[08:39] <MaTiAz> LOLCode pwns everything :)
[08:39] <angasule> a program to make the menus is the important bit, and it must ouput a .iso ready to burn by k3b
[08:39] <dr_willis> its really amazing the # of computer languages out there
[08:39] <titanix88> GrueTamer: So how true a gamer r u?
[08:39] <angasule> hehe LOLCODE is great :)
[08:39] <BluesKaj> it transcodes, authors, makes and burns dvd
[08:39] <MaTiAz> CAN I HAS STDIO? etc. :)
[08:39] <BluesKaj> it transcodes, authors, makes and burns dvd
[08:39] <angasule> BluesKaj: I don't care, I want a KDE or at least Qt program
[08:40] <BluesKaj> it has a gui as well
[08:40] <dr_willis> id rather have a tool that works.. then worry about  what its using
[08:40] <Minataku> Heh
[08:40] <llutz> angasule:maybe  qdvdauthor
[08:40] <Minataku> It'll be called "I could crap a better DVD"
[08:40] <titanix88> hey everyone let's go offtopic & bash vista!!!! :))
[08:40] <Minataku> Or crapdvd for short
[08:40] <dr_willis> titanix88,  lets go to #debian and bash vista! :P
[08:41] <Minataku> Sorry, I'm playing Forza Motorsport 2 and I hate pausing mid-race
[08:41] <BluesKaj> devede works , but I haven't bothered with it since discovering tovid
[08:41] <angasule> hmmm, the adept search sucks terrible
[08:42] <one> where could i find the file, the k-menu entrys are stored in ?
[08:43] <dr_willis> i dont think its a single file one
[08:43] <dr_willis> what are you trying to do exactly one ?
[08:43] <one> dr_willis i want to copy the file to another kubuntu
[08:44] <fdoving> one: .desktop files make up the kmenu, is it a specific applications entry you're looking for?
[08:44] <one> dr_willis the installed programms are the same but i wanna the same kmenu :-)
[08:45] <one> fdoving no i just need to copy all entrys ;-)
[08:45] <one> there is no .desktop ?
[08:46] <fdoving> one: /usr/share/applnk/ and /usr/share/applications/
[08:47] <titanix88> BluesKaj, dr_willis: come offtopic.it's getting interesting :)
[08:48] <hatta> what does kubuntu do when it mounts a cdrom?
[08:48] <hatta> it's not just issuing a mount command right?
[08:48] <hatta> because I notice the CD icon gets repositioned if I just enter a mount command
[08:49] <hatta> is there a kde command that mounts the cdrom?
[08:50] <dr_willis> hatta,  not that i am aware of.
[08:50] <llp78> theres a shell command to mount not sure about kde - it auto mounts
[08:51] <dr_willis> go to media:// and see whats in there?
[08:51] <dr_willis> or was it media:/ or
[08:52] <hatta> yeah it mounts ok, but if I do a lazy unmount it doesn't automount after that
[08:53] <hatta> so I have to manually mount it, which makes it forget the position of the CDROM icon on the desktop
[08:59] <xzeta> Algum tc comigo?
[09:00] <xzeta> Oi
[09:00] <llp78> xzeta: hello
[09:02] <xzeta> falas portugus?
[09:02] <llp78> noa
[09:02] <hatta> hey I figured it out
[09:02] <llp78> you need to find the kubuntu support for your country
[09:02] <titanix88> xzeta: it
[09:02] <hatta> to mount the cdrom with kde from the command line, do: dcop kded mediamanager mount /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_label_CDROM
[09:02] <hatta> dcop is awesome <3
[09:02] <titanix88> is an international channel.
[09:03] <blekos> hello, my amarok doesnt scan my hd with my mp3 properly any ideas?
[09:03] <titanix88> hatta: what the hell!!?? u found.
[09:04] <BluesKaj> !pt | xzeta
[09:04] <ubotu> xzeta: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[09:04] <titanix88> blekos: what do u mean properly?
[09:05] <xzeta> #ubuntu-br
[09:10] <blekos> well, i scan the directory, where i have my mp3, but when i search for a couple of them in amarok they are not there
[09:11] <Admiral_Chicago> blekos: do you have mp3 support for amarok
[09:11] <Admiral_Chicago> !mp3
[09:11] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:11] <blekos> yest
[09:12] <blekos> yes
[09:12] <xzeta> Me ajuda a entender essa programa?
[09:12] <blekos> how can i see how many files are in my collection?
[09:12] <Admiral_Chicago> !es
[09:12] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[09:12] <titanix88> blekos: amarok lists files by tagg. not by their name.
[09:14] <xzeta> Help em portugus-br!
[09:14] <blekos> no objection to that, but the songs i'm looking for are available in banshee...
[09:15] <BluesKaj> !br | xzeta
[09:15] <ubotu> xzeta: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[09:16] <becky> hi
[09:17] <titanix88> blekos: maybe they are listed in different catagory(e.g. i have a album with diff artist tag & it's filed to "different Artists" album)
[09:18] <xzeta> Obriado! <Bluekaj>
[09:19] <plugs> I have a fairly new ATI graphics card, and its onboard fan is broken. Is this a big deal?
[09:19] <dr_willis> with newer cards.. yes it can be
[09:19] <dr_willis> id at least place a fan in the case blowing on it.
[09:21] <plugs> okay, cool.
[09:24] <becky> I just installed ubuntu on my laptop - xorg.conf has 1280x800 as it should, but X keeps loading in 1024x768.
[09:25] <eljefe> has anyone's update from today (or recently) stopped the DMA on their DVD drive?
[09:26] <darryl_> Is there a way to tell what program is accessing my sound card?  I closed xmms and i keep hearing music playing, I have verifed that xmms is not running in the processes, but music keeps playing, sounds like its "buffered" and stuck in a loop.  How can I check for whats using the sound card and kill the process?
[09:28] <eljefe> K3B gave me this error message today: DMA disabled on device DVDRW  Anyone know why?
[09:28] <BluesKaj> close all browser pages first of all, darryl_ :)
[09:29] <dsmith> Hey All
[09:29] <darryl_> BluesKaj: you think its a browser?  Music was playing from xmms ....
[09:29] <dsmith> Was wondering if anyone can help me with a configuration in Kbunutu 7.04 x64
[09:30] <darryl_> BluesKaj: heh - now that makes no sense, killed firefox music stoped, but I was never playing music in firefox.....
[09:31] <BluesKaj> adverts darryl_
[09:31] <BluesKaj> some site launched an ad with music
[09:32] <darryl_> BluesKaj: yea... but interesting thing... I was not on any site tha that had ads "at least that I was aware of" - and funny thing is it was playing the same music as one of the MP3's I was listening to in xmms heh!  Strange....
[09:32] <titanix88> eljefe: try "sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/cdrom"
[09:33] <titanix88> eljefe: i guess ur DVDRW in /dev/cdrom
[09:33] <superbear> could someone please post me the openldap init-script (/etc/init.d/slapd)
[09:34] <BluesKaj> amarok may have done an auto-tag with the song cddb
[09:34] <BluesKaj> or xmmms rather
[09:36] <titanix88> eljefe: it can be also in /dev/dvd
[09:36] <llp78> Amarok is not user friendly - what other alternatives are good
[09:37] <llutz> llp78: define "userfriendly"
[09:37] <BluesKaj> amarok is fine imo ...very good streaming
[09:37] <Sakkath> Does kubuntu come with xgl too?
[09:37] <titanix88> llp78: u r really crazy to say that!
[09:37] <BluesKaj> mp3 radio is all i need
[09:38] <llp78> well -  the only way i can load albums is by drop and drag - i cant just select a directory/album for it to play from
[09:38] <dsmith> What exactly do I need to do to get Amarok to play mp3s?
[09:38] <llp78> there is no buttons for play/next track etc
[09:38] <pauljw> click on the mp3 file, amarok should load and play
[09:39] <llp78> pause - you hae to select them from the drop down
[09:39] <BluesKaj> dsmith, find an mp3 , load it into amarok ...amarok will then DL and install the plugin with a few mopuse clicks
[09:39] <dsmith> Ok, I'll try it
[09:39] <BluesKaj> mp3 plugin that is
[09:39] <titanix88> llp78:select files tab & do ur job. i love from library though.
[09:40] <llutz> llp78: you seem to have a different amarok than me
[09:41] <llutz> llp78: double.click on album in collection loads it into playlist, buttons are beneath that list or right-click on tray-icon
[09:41] <dsmith> Ok, I get a box that says "No mp3 support" but it seems to lock up the program when I click on the box
[09:41] <andreamordini> salve a tutti. ho installato sia gnome sia kubuntu. come si fa a settare quello di default?
[09:42] <BluesKaj> dsmith, when you clicked play ?
[09:42] <llutz> !it| andreamordini
[09:42] <ubotu> andreamordini: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[09:42] <dsmith> is there a package I can download and install via Adept?
[09:42] <titanix88> hi hendaus :)
[09:43] <llp78> ok its not rocket science with amarok as other player like media player on vista etc
[09:43] <andreamordini> i'm sorry bye
[09:43] <titanix88> "llp78 there is no buttons for play/next track etc" s/he is really crazy!! :)
[09:43] <llutz> llp78: ah, you just want to play the troll tonight
[09:43] <llp78> know i mean - i cant work it out
[09:43] <llp78> sorry for the confusing you
[09:44] <llutz> llp78: s/confusing/make me laughing/
[09:44] <binks_> my amarok doesnt even start up it hangs for a while then nothing
[09:44] <binks_> if i open in terminal i get no output hmm its broke
[09:45] <llp78> llutz: sorry but - when i go to `files` its blank and i cant browse:
[09:45] <llutz> llp78: change the path or use" collection" if you configured it
[09:46] <titanix88> llutz:excuse me, but... i wanna be TROLL.Pls. ms. tell me how...!!! 0_0
[09:46] <llp78> how do I use collection? again it is empty  and cannot browse
[09:46] <llutz> llp78: use the arrows on top or enter the path into the shown field
[09:46] <llutz> llp78: to navigate
[09:47] <titanix88> llp78: configured ur collection properly?
[09:48] <llutz> llp78: enter config-menue -> collection and set up the path there
[09:48] <llp78> llutz: thanks so much - im no troll i was getting confused with the spilt screen - i now know how to load an album and thanks for your help - many thanks to you and  fuck you titanix88
[09:49] <binks_> llp78: not needed m8
[09:49] <llp78> he was calling me a troll for NO reason::
[09:49] <llp78> i just needed help that was all
[09:49] <binks_> i agree but kids come in this chan
[09:50] <titanix88> llp78: hey i was the one to tell about configureing collection...:)
[09:50] <llp78> about what!
[09:50] <titanix88> llp78: it was plain joke. Who knew u would mind? :)
[09:50] <binks_> llp78: just watch the language thats all i ask
[09:51] <llp78> yea for sure - titanix88 just wound me up calling me a troll
[09:51] <llp78> ok joke taken no offence:
[09:52] <titanix88> llp78: sorry then!! :)
[09:52] <dsmith> BluesKaj, the mp3 trick you told me, didnt work
[09:52] <llp78> thanks again for the help - i could not work out how to do it - thats what this chans here for -
[09:52] <llp78> titanix88: no worries
[09:53] <BluesKaj> yes dsmith i know ...looking for the answer
[09:53] <dsmith> Oh, alright, thanks
[09:53] <titanix88> llp78: anyway AMAROK is great!!
[09:54] <llutz> llp78: strange way of asking for help, just to  devaluate a thing:)
[09:54] <dsmith> but I can play mp3s with Xmms
[09:55] <binks_> vlc is the best media player but jinzora is the best library
[09:55] <llp78> ok my comment was out of order, but its not user friendly imho
[09:55] <llutz> llp78: "userfriendly" depends on the user :)
[09:56] <llp78> i ment as in how to do things
[09:56] <llp78> im a windows junkie
[09:56] <binks_> ok guys off topic now its kubuntu channel please leave it
[09:56] <llp78> and have been for 10 years
[09:56] <titanix88> llutz: me agree.
[09:57] <llp78> i do aswell - now i know how to use it - but for me it was not obvious
[09:57] <llutz> llp78: linux isn't windows
[09:57] <llp78> i know that - and linux is far better
[09:57] <BluesKaj> dsmith, in the run command /usr/lib/amarok . click on install-mp3
[09:57] <llp78> its just knowing how to use it to your advantage
[09:59] <titanix88> BluesKaj dsmith maybe the distro version matters.
[09:59] <dsmith> hmmm
[10:00] <BluesKaj> hehe , i don't have any mp3's to test it
[10:00] <dsmith> I honestly dont know if there is much of the differences of 32bit vs 64bit,
[10:00] <BluesKaj> did you try the suggestion , dsmith
[10:00] <BluesKaj> ?
[10:00] <dsmith> Yes
[10:00] <dsmith> didnt work
[10:01] <titanix88> dsmith : tried installing"libxine-extracodecs"?
[10:01] <dsmith> oh, I didnt know about that, I can try it quick
[10:01] <BluesKaj> it says in the tutorials, to go to the amarok director ...whatever that is
[10:02] <dsmith> that made it work! thanks! Titanix88
[10:03] <emilsedgh> hi people, I just want to say that my Konqueror is really buggy, even when I click on a File/Folder it crashs, and note that my upgrade from 6.10 to 7.04 is not completed, but whole kdebase is upgraded.
[10:03] <titanix88> dsmith: np :)
[10:04] <emilsedgh> im getting "konqueror: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkonq.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZN11KIconEffect14visualActivateEP7QWidget5QRectP7QPixmap" error
[10:04] <titanix88> emilsedgh : konq is buggy by default :(
[10:04] <dsmith> thank you for trying BluesKaj
[10:04] <jussi01> gah, anyone had the problem of the home directory taking ages to access? mine currently takes 15-30 seconds to be able to access it... anyone got a solution?
[10:04] <emilsedgh> titanix88: as much that? I cannot open a file/folder!
[10:05] <jussi01> emilsedgh: sounds like a theme prob....maybe
[10:05] <emilsedgh> jussi01: im on Domino, let me change that and try
[10:06] <titanix88> hey BluesKaj ,me & dr_willis seems most talkative around #kubuntu hah... :)
[10:07] <emilsedgh> jussi01: no success, i tried Keramik
[10:08] <jussi01> emilsedgh: Im not sue then sorry... have you tried googling the exact error?
[10:09] <BluesKaj> glad you were able to help dsmith , titanix88 ... i was overlooking the obvious again  :)
[10:09] <emilsedgh> jussi01: no, I think i will get no success, but i will try
[10:09] <jussi01> emilsedgh: often googling the exact error will come up with something on a forum or so...
[10:10] <emilsedgh> jussi01: no, nothing.i should upgrade my whole system and then see if things crash
[10:10] <titanix88> BluesKaj: as u call urself semi-noob like myself u can have this handy: www.tldp.org
[10:11] <jussi01> emilsedgh: yeah, thats the best idea
[10:11] <felzix_> hey, what does "BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0!" mean?
[10:11] <felzix_> it appears to be lagging the computer insanely
[10:12] <Dougwiser> wow cool
[10:14] <felzix_> great, now the laptop won't boot at all...
[10:19] <titanix88> netsplit,netsplit,netsplit,NETSPLIT!!!!
[10:22] <eljefe> titanix88: i know how to turn it on, thanks; I am wondering why it was turned off with this update
[10:22] <mthead_> #ubuntu-laptop
[10:23] <titanix88> eljefe: no idea. BUT anyway u got it fixed,that's good.
[10:23] <eljefe> titanix88: yep, thanks!
[10:23] <arttt> hello
[10:24] <titanix88> arttt: hi!
[10:24] <titanix88> eljefe:np :)
[10:24] <ubuntu_> hello
[10:25] <allysan> Hey everyone, I just installed Kubuntu and the firefox, thunderbird, and gaim packages aren't in the Add/Remove programs list... can anyone help me get them?
[10:26] <Admiral_Chicago> allysan: look in adept
[10:26] <allysan> looked there also, no dice
[10:26] <titanix88> allysan: try adept.
[10:26] <allysan> I looked there, all i've got is the firefox english language package
[10:27] <allysan> which is a tad odd, i must say
[10:27] <titanix88> allysan 0_.
[10:27] <allysan> True story sir
[10:27] <angasule> allysan: have you tried checking in the console? 'apt-cache search thunderbird'?
[10:28] <allysan> "Thunderbird English language/region package"
[10:28] <allysan> is all that comes up, ditto Firefox
[10:28] <titanix88> allysan what version (dapper or feisty)?
[10:28] <allysan> Feisty
[10:30] <titanix88> allysan can't help.
[10:30] <allysan> titanix88: thanks anyways sir
[10:30] <Admiral_Chicago> sudo apt-get install firefox
[10:30] <Admiral_Chicago> that should work...
[10:30] <allysan> Tried that too
[10:31] <allysan> ditto thunderbird
[10:31] <allysan> it said..
[10:31] <Admiral_Chicago> what is the output
[10:32] <allysan> "package thunderbird (or firefox) is not available but is referred to by anohter package. This may mean that the package has been obsoleted or is only available from another source"
[10:32] <allysan> I also tried sudo apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird and mozilla-firefox
[10:32] <titanix88> allysan: try "sudo apt-get update" .
[10:33] <Admiral_Chicago> allysan: what do your sources.list look like
[10:33] <Admiral_Chicago> pastebin them
[10:33] <allysan> one sec
[10:34] <titanix88> 
[10:35] <allysan> well look at that, apt-get update worked, thank you very much sir
[10:35] <titanix88> hey someone can paste a clear line here!!! that can be used as an vulnerability!!! :(or my dumb hacking mind :)
[10:36] <titanix88> allysan i guess now u can install firefox etc?
[10:36] <allysan> titanix88: Yes sir, really appreciate everyone's help
[10:36] <Admiral_Chicago> eh titanix88 what?
[10:37] <allysan> Admiral_chicago: apt-get update worked, thank you
[10:37] <Admiral_Chicago> good allysan
[10:37] <titanix88> 
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[10:37] <Admiral_Chicago> titanix88: stop that
[10:37] <titanix88> see!!!
[10:38] <Admiral_Chicago> what amd i seeing?
[10:39] <titanix88> Admiral_Chicago: i just discovered an irc vulnerability! :(noo, just kidding...:)
[10:39] <Dr_Willis> hmmmm
[10:39] <titanix88> Dr_Willis wb.
[10:40] <Dr_Willis> Went do da store.. made me some Spagattitittitititittiiiiieeee
[10:40] <Dr_Willis> :)
[10:40] <Dr_Willis> restraining my self from a 2nd helping
[10:40] <hatta> does anyone here use a TV as a 2nd X screen?
[10:41] <Dr_Willis> hatta:  yes all the time
[10:41] <hatta> I'm trying to find a video player that will display to :0.1 and has a queue
[10:41] <hatta> cause if I rightclick on a bunch of files and open with mplayer, they all display to :0.1 but they all do it at the same time
[10:42] <titanix88>  :0.1 means?
[10:42] <hatta> kaffeine handles multiple files properly, but it doesn't display to :0.1
[10:42] <hatta> :0.1 is my second X screen
[10:42] <hatta> :0.0 is the first
[10:42] <titanix88> hatta: tried vlc?
[10:43] <hatta> vlc doesn't want to enqueue them either
[10:43] <hatta> it just opens them all at the same time
[10:43] <MaTiAz> VLC is really skippy for playing videos for me, Kaffeine plays the exact same videos absolutely fine
[10:43] <titanix88> hatta: u can bring a playlist with ctrl+P
[10:43] <Dr_Willis> mplayer dosent do the playlist selectin that way I guess.
[10:43] <Dr_Willis> is the core of the problem
[10:44] <hatta> right, so I'm looking for an alternative
[10:44] <hatta> but nothing else wants to display to :0.1
[10:44] <Dr_Willis> or use the proper playlist stuff. i guess
[10:44] <Dr_Willis> I mainly put MythTV frontend on the tv.
[10:44] <hatta> hm, that might work
[10:44] <Dr_Willis> i told mythtv to stay on the left side monitor (tv) aint messed with anythting else.
[10:45] <hatta> nice
[10:45] <Dr_Willis> i am using nvidia + twinview
[10:45] <titanix88> hatta: maybe u need totem(although i don't believe it even in my dreams :)
[10:45] <hatta> yeah that's what I do too
[10:46] <hatta> does that work without a backend?
[10:46] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. Spybot serach and destroy just tagged my directory called 'warez' as a potential security risk :)
[10:46] <titanix88> hatta gstreamer.
[10:46] <hatta> titanix88, what about it?
[10:47] <titanix88> hatta it's(Totem) really simple & realllly stupid(it comes default with ubuntu)!!! I don't like it.
[10:48] <hatta> yeah but I use kde
[10:48] <titanix88> hatta but they say gstreamer is going to be the ultimate multimedia framework for free world.
[10:49] <titanix88> hatta i have kde,gnome & xfce. they don't conflict & also runs every app.
[10:49] <hatta> hm, that's not so much to install I'll check it out
[10:50] <hatta> yeah I just don't want too many libraries in memory at once
[10:50] <hatta> that's when things really start to drag
[10:51] <titanix88> hatta i got 256MB. what about u?Still afraid?
[10:51] <allysan> I have one more question for you folks and it's a bit tougher... it seems I can't get the sound on my Lenovo R60e to work... I believe it is a drivers issue, but I'm not sure.  Anyone got any ideas?
[10:51] <hilz> VMWare on Feisty anyone?
[10:52] <hilz> Was anyone successful installing VMWare server on feisty ?
[10:53] <hatta> hm I dont see any way to make totem display on :0.1
[10:54] <titanix88> hatta i told u it's stupid.
[10:56] <titanix88> hatta: but there are 3 tv out options i see!!!
[10:57] <fdoving> hatta: in a terminal: 'DISPLAY=:0.1 totem'
[10:58] <Dr_Willis> i use vmeare server under feisty
[10:58] <Dr_Willis> I think there was some tweak i had to do.. but its been a while
[10:58] <Dr_Willis> may of been fixed by now
[11:00] <titanix88> hatta : btw u will have to install gstreamer-plugins-bad & gstreamer-plugins-ugly to get proprietary formats working.
[11:00] <hatta> what's needed is a playlist daemon
[11:00] <hatta> so I can enqueue files to it, and have it launch mplayer as needed
[11:01] <Dr_Willis> most players are scriptable from the command line to do that i belive
[11:01] <titanix88> hatta maybe script it urself.
[11:01] <Dr_Willis> playerwhatever -addtoque whatever
[11:02] <hatta> I tried mplayer -enqueue but it still opened a new instance for each file
[11:02] <Dr_Willis> read the docs some more i guess..  :() i dont use mplayer in that fashion much if ever
[11:03] <titanix88> btw mplayers developers r only concerned about supporting  all formats but not gui or usability.
[11:04] <titanix88> hatta write a script that kills any previous instance and open a new one.
[11:04] <hatta> well I'd want to queue it
[11:05] <hatta> the best solution would be something like mpd for video files
[11:06] <allysan> Does anyone know where I can get audio drivers for a Lenovo R60e
[11:06] <titanix88> damn M player i say(it shows files in /sm/sm mode to select >(
[11:07] <titanix88> allysan try googling.
[11:07] <allysan> Have, it doesn't seem to be a common problem
[11:07] <blekos> is there a better alternative to picasa for linux?
[11:08] <titanix88> blekos no but worse are like digikam(kde) & fspot(gnome).
[11:10] <blekos> no, these are really bad. Especially if you like taking a lot of pics
[11:10] <hatta> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42122
[11:10] <hatta> I think that might do what I want
[11:10] <blekos> i think linux in that point...
[11:11] <minty> hey uys tring to work beryl n it came up with this . . . cant find x libraries n e 1 care to explain
[11:12] <titanix88> anyone tried beagle desktop search? it's way too kool!
[11:13] <titanix88> have anyone tried beagle desktp search? it's way too kool!!
[11:15] <hatta> shit, kubuntu's vlc doesn't appear to have the --no-wxwin-embed option
[11:18] <mantan> I have no sound. How do I change this?
[11:18] <Danker> Hi
[11:19] <mantan> I have no sound. How do I change this?
[11:19] <Danker> Can you suggest good screen/window recording/capturing software on linux? :)
[11:19] <titanix88> bye everyone.
[11:19] <titanix88> Danker istanbul ofcourse
[11:20] <titanix88> bye everyone.
[11:21] <llutz> Danker: recordmydesktop or wink
[11:21] <Danker> thanks ;)
[11:21] <Danker> I'll search ir repositories ;)
[11:21] <llutz> Danker: wink isn't in
[11:22] <alexey> Hello all :) Is there any document describing how to update (K)ubuntu with no internet connection?
[11:22] <mantan> my sound isn't working, anyone know how to go about getting it working?
[11:23] <alexey> mantan: what soundcard do you have?
[11:24] <mantan> dunno, how do I check?
[11:24] <alexey> mantan: let me think of it a little...
[11:24] <_4strO> mantan: lspci
[11:25] <mantan> what is Ispci?
[11:25] <_4strO> mantan: type in a console : lspci | grep audio
[11:25] <virusavirusa> :)
[11:25] <alexey> mantan: lspci | grep audio
[11:25] <BluesKaj> mantan, this is good tutorial will get everything working for you : http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Dolby_Digital_Out_(AC3,_SPDIF)
[11:25] <virusavirusa> lspci shows pci devices installed on ur computer
[11:26] <alexey> 2 all: Is there any document describing how to update (K)ubuntu with no internet connection?
[11:26] <_4strO> !upgrade
[11:26] <ubotu> See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[11:27] <mantan> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Aud
[11:27] <mantan> io Controller (rev 02)
[11:29] <_4strO> mantan: sis you verify sound is active in kmix ?
[11:29] <_4strO> did*
[11:30] <mantan> and where do I check in kmix?
[11:31] <alexey> mantan: did you try to adjust volume via it's control in the rigth bottom screen corner ?
[11:31] <greg_g> mantan: offtopic: what is the origin of your handle?
[11:31] <_4strO> the green led on master and PCM
[11:31] <_4strO> and the volume
[11:32] <mantan> yes
[11:32] <alexey> mantan: do you see bright-green (nt dark-green) leds near Master and PCM volume controls?
[11:32] <mantan> greg_g: origin of what?
[11:32] <mantan> yes
[11:33] <greg_g> mantan: offtopic: I ask because I just watched Spike Lee's Banboozle, where a main character changed his name to that, in reference to this guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantan_Moreland
[11:33] <greg_g> mantan: "handle" is a word for "other persona" in this case an "online persona"
[11:33] <alexey> mantan: did you try to increase volume with Master and PCM volume controls?
[11:34] <dr_willis> Linux-tan :)
[11:34] <mantan> greg_g: Chances are, that's where the name came from because I got it from a song by K-os
[11:34] <dr_willis> and here i was thinking he was Just a tan person.
[11:34] <BluesKaj> greg_g, we're trying to help mantan with his sound probs ...lets stay with the subject at hand
[11:34] <greg_g> BluesKaj: touche
[11:34] <mantan> Alexey:yes
[11:34] <elkark0ma> hola a todos
[11:35] <_4strO> yop
[11:35] <greg_g> sorry for the offtopic, it is just that the movie was powerful, so yeah, been on the mind all day... but back to the issue
[11:36] <alexey> mantan: Ok... Did the sound work before (for example, in other OS)?
[11:37] <mantan> It works just fine inXP
[11:37] <_4strO> mantan: then look in K / system settings / sound system / hardware
[11:37] <mantan> what am I looking for in specific?
[11:38] <mantan> in there
[11:38] <_4strO> audio peripheral is on automatic choice ?
[11:39] <_4strO> mantan: with wich type of audio file are you trying your sound ?
[11:39] <mantan> Flash, but it won'
[11:40] <_4strO> ...
[11:40] <mantan> Flash, but it won't work with other things either
[11:40] <allysan> I'm having the same problem as Mantan
[11:40] <_4strO> try to test with the option in the K / system settings / sound system /  general page
[11:40] <allysan> no sound
[11:40] <allysan> I tried this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=332472
[11:41] <mantan> I'm not getting anything from it
[11:41] <allysan> but it did not work
[11:41] <hatta> ah so close.. kubuntu's vlc lacks the option --playlist-enqueue
[11:41] <dr_willis> heh odd.
[11:41] <allysan> Nobody knows huh?
[11:42] <alexey> did pressing Test Sound button give any sound?
[11:42] <mantan> no
[11:43] <yo> Bonsoir tout le modne
[11:43] <_4strO> yop
[11:43] <yo> il faut parler franais ou anglais ?
[11:43] <yo> =)
[11:43] <_4strO> anglais :p
[11:43] <BluesKaj> mantan , try 'alsamixer' in the terminal and unmute any sliders by pressing 'M'
[11:43] <yo> ok sir :)
[11:44] <yo> i want to install my sound card on Kubuntu
[11:44] <_4strO> lool
[11:44] <alexey> mantan: try to do this: select Sound devise: alsa on the secont tab
[11:44] <yo> i don't know how to do this :(
[11:44] <yo> alsa ?
[11:44] <alexey> mantan: try to do this: then press Allpy
[11:45] <mantan> one of the bars in alsamixer was off, I'm going to try and play summat with it on
[11:46] <mantan> nope, still not working with the change
[11:47] <Allysan> When you select ALSA under "select device" in the Sound System, should you have anything else checked?
[11:47] <yo> and me ?
[11:47] <avalon> Is there a way I can PERMANENTLY delete a file? Every time I try deleting a file from my harddrive, it moves it to a hidden folder called trash.root or trash.1 and I can't delete it
[11:47] <yo> how can i know what is the brand of my sound card ?
[11:47] <yo> i have a tx 1020 ea HP
[11:47] <Allysan> Check your device manager, yo
[11:47] <_4strO> avalon: shift + suppr
[11:47] <yo> oki
[11:47] <dr_willis> avalon:  shift click, or somthing like that..
[11:47] <yo> thx
[11:47] <trakinas> yo: lspci
[11:47] <yo> ?
[11:48] <dr_willis> or clean out the trash :)
[11:48] <trakinas> yo: nevemind. lspci is a command line to check your devices.
[11:48] <yo> ah ok =)
[11:48] <_4strO> yo: lspci | grep audio
[11:48] <yo> it's the thirst time i use linux, i am a windowsian =)
[11:49] <yo> and whaouuu it's good :)
[11:49] <alexey> mantan: please tell what says: dmesg | grep alsa
[11:49] <Allysan> alexey: after we select ALSA in Sound System, should anything else be checked?
[11:49] <mantan> alexey: what?
[11:49] <yo> eheh a=I have a lot of things but not audio line :(
[11:50] <_4strO> yo: lspci | grep audio
[11:50] <yo> YES !
[11:50] <yo> 00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
[11:50] <jzilla> hello all - im am currently using opensuse10.2 and I was just looking for some feedback on switching to kubuntu.... like... is it worth it?
[11:50] <BluesKaj> jzilla, YES!
[11:51] <yo> lspci | grep -i audio ;)
[11:51] <alexey> Allysan: no, just press Apply
[11:51] <trakinas> well... im kind of having troubles with my dvd device on kubuntu.... ?(
[11:51] <icf7> jzilla: You may want to get an /independent/ opionion in #opensuse ;)
[11:51] <Allysan> Yes, it's wonderful, except I can't seem to make sound work
[11:51] <yo> so with that, i do what !, :)
[11:51] <trakinas> *:(
[11:51] <jzilla> well i figured ppl here would be pro switcing ;o
[11:51] <trakinas> yo: look for your ALSA module for it.
[11:51] <alexey> mantan: please type in console: dmesg | grep alsa
[11:51] <BluesKaj> I used suse10 .1 ....the yast thing was broken all the time , the repos in kubuntu are very stable
[11:51] <mantan> it's being really slow about restarting my sound
[11:51] <mantan> alexey: I did and nothing happend
[11:52] <mantan> typing just dmesg works though
[11:52] <yo> trakinas : how !,
[11:52] <jzilla> if suse uses yast, what would be the equiv in kubuntu?
[11:52] <yo> what is ALSA =)
[11:52] <Allysan> ALSA is Advanced Linux Sound Architecture
[11:52] <yo> okiii
[11:52] <llutz> jzilla: there is nothing equiv
[11:52] <yo> and where I can found it ?
[11:53] <alexey> mantan: that could be a problem with newest sound card built-in into your PC motherboard
[11:53] <Allysan> mantan: mine is being slow too
[11:53] <alexey> mantan: I mean - a problem with integrated sound card
[11:53] <_4strO> llutz: konqueror settings:/ :p
[11:54] <felzix_> google toolbar bookmarks aren't working for FF.  It just says "Downloading Bookmarks..."
[11:54] <llutz> jzilla: which doesn't mean, that anybody misses something like yast :)
[11:54] <yo> where i can found Alsa ? :)
[11:54] <trakinas> !alsa
[11:54] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[11:54] <xanatoscraven> wtf... why does the yast screenshot on wikipedia have a pineapple icon @.@
[11:55] <jzilla> llutz: how are packages managed then?
[11:55] <trakinas> yo: you probably only need the module (driver). just look for it on the repository
[11:55] <llutz> jzilla: apt-get or some tools using it (adebt, synaptic etc.)
[11:55] <jzilla> from the term?
[11:55] <yo> lol where is the "repository" explain :)
[11:56] <yo> i understand nothing lol
[11:56] <llutz> jzilla: console or gui, what you like
[11:56] <jzilla> haha sold
[11:56] <jzilla> i love using the console
[11:56] <yo> ubotu : ok the option was checked :)
[11:56] <llutz> jzilla: you know apt4rpm?
[11:56] <jzilla> i do not
[11:56] <alexey> mantan: tell the result for this Help page : /etc/ppp/chap-secrets
[11:56] <trakinas> yo: well... open adpet on K -> System
[11:56] <llutz> jzilla: ok, thats a similar thing for rpm-based distros (like suse)
[11:56] <alexey> mantan: tell the result for this Help page : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[11:57] <alexey> mantan: /etc/ppp/chap-secrets - that was a typo
[11:58] <greg_g> ok, ontopic question: how do I change to kdm from gdm.  I tried changing the file /etc/X11/default-display-manager to point to /usr/bin/kdm but after a cntrl-alt-backspace, still gdm
[11:58] <yo> trakinas : yes okiii and after :)
[11:59] <dr_willis> greg_g:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[11:59] <greg_g> thanks
[11:59] <dr_willis> i think thats right. :)
[11:59] <greg_g> it asked me to select which one I want, selected kdm (was already highlighted)
[11:59] <trakinas> yo: nvidia alsa or smth like that
[11:59] <greg_g> going to restart x
[12:00] <yo> yes thx i'm looking for
[12:00] <yo> no nvidia alsa
[12:00] <trakinas> so, only alsa modules
[12:00] <yo> yes but i have a lot of module alsa :)
[12:01] <trakinas> hehe! one sec
[12:01] <yo> =)
[12:01] <greg_g> dr_willis: didn't work
[12:01] <greg_g> I am confused
[12:01] <dr_willis> greg_g:  you may of confused it by your earelier tweaking
[12:01] <dr_willis> greg_g:  select gdm, then  go back and select kdm perhaps
[12:02] <trakinas> yo: btw, have you tried running alsaconf
[12:03] <yo> btw ?
[12:03] <yo> alsaconf
[12:03] <yo> no i tried nothing :)
[12:04] <trakinas> yo: by the way
[12:04] <trakinas> yo: so, open konsole and type? sudo alsaconf
[12:04] <yo> what is a konsole ?
[12:04] <yo> i'm joking ;)
[12:05] <greg_g> dr_willis: should I do a dpkg-reconfigure gdm maybe?
[12:05] <yo> root@huemul:~# sudo alsaconf
[12:05] <yo> sudo: alsaconf: command not found
[12:05] <yo> :(
[12:05] <trakinas> yo: so, open konsole and type? sudo alsa*tab*
[12:05] <trakinas> heehhehhe
[12:05] <allysan> Ack
[12:05] <allysan> I somehow managed to delete my soundcard
[12:05] <allysan> and there isn't a way to enable it in the BIOS
[12:06] <allysan> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=332472
[12:06] <allysan> don't do that ^
[12:06] <trakinas> weiiiiiird. no alsaconf and i have sound. lol
[12:06] <yo> i tried to type alsa + tab but nothing :( sudo als it's  equal :(
[12:06] <yo> :)
[12:07] <zarate> hey hola
[12:07] <trakinas> yo: dude, right now, Im kind of out of sugestions. i will reboot my machine in anyway - since im trying to fix my grub menu....
[12:07] <dr_willis> greg_g:  it should print up the exact same dialog/interface
[12:07] <zarate> help me with beryl
[12:07] <greg_g> dr_willis: yeah, figured, just making sure there wasn't something other different about them
[12:07] <dr_willis> !beryl
[12:07] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[12:07] <yo> trakina ok thanks
[12:07] <yo> where can i find a solution ?
[12:09] <trakinas> yo: well, you just need to read smth about installing soundcards. usually, they are automatically installed.
[12:09] <trakinas> yo: try looking for alsoutils on adpet
[12:09] <trakinas> or alsaconf.
[12:09] <yo> yes okiii
[12:09] <BluesKaj> yo , type alsamixer ...then check the sliders and unmute them with the letter M
[12:10] <yo> thanks a lot, it's very nice :)
[12:10] <trakinas> you are welcome
[12:10] <BluesKaj> open slider = 00
[12:10] <yo> ! i type alsamixer and i have a space thing :)
[12:10] <mantan> http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Intel&card=ICH+southbridge+HD-audio+and+modem.&chip=ICH6%2C+ICH6M%2C+ICH7%2C+ESB2&module=hda-intel
[12:11] <ubuntu_> yeah
[12:11] <mantan> I am having problems with that
[12:11] <BluesKaj> in the terminal ...use the arrow keys to move the highlight around
[12:11] <ubuntu_> i managed to set a working internet connection
[12:12] <BluesKaj> ubuntu_, congrats
[12:12] <mantan> because the alsa directory already exists, but it won't find it
[12:12] <yo> what is the slider ?
[12:12] <yo> because i use my arrow keys
[12:13] <yo> but after :/
[12:14] <BluesKaj> yo : try this tutorial , it works very well : http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Dolby_Digital_Out_(AC3,_SPDIF)
[12:14] <yo> yes very good thx
[12:14] <benjamin> hi, is someone using inkscape on kubuntu 7.04?