[12:35] <siimo> hi any gutsy users here? :P
[12:36] <siimo> you gotta be gutsy to use gutsy
[12:37] <borschty> ;)
[12:37] <borschty> just got nothing better to do ;)
[12:37] <siimo> heheh
[01:27] <DanaG> wpa_supplicant(7865): Authentication with 00:00:00:00:00:00 timed out.
[01:27] <DanaG> It's an open AP.
[01:33] <crimsun> I'm not sure why you pasted that
[01:33] <crimsun> are you implying there's a problem with wpasupplicant? with your wifi driver (Linux)? with network-manager? with your open AP?
[01:45] <DanaG> Oh, now it's working.
[01:45] <DanaG> I'm at a hotel, and apparently their AP is really unreliable.
[01:50] <DanaG> Yay, 10 kiloBYTES per second.
[02:51] <bluefoxicy> meh
[02:52] <bluefoxicy> when i enable desktop effects in Feisty, the window title bars vanish (bye bye window manager)
[02:56] <DanaG> nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals
[04:34] <crimsun> gavinbaker: you'll need to install gutsy's kernel to test
[04:34] <gavinbaker> :-/ is it going to break other things?
[04:34] <crimsun> it could.
[04:34] <crimsun> the alternative is to have you compile alsa-kernel + alsa-driver hg.
[04:35] <crimsun> either way, you're going to have to do some work.
[04:35] <gavinbaker> that's reassuring :(
[04:35] <crimsun> that's the way HDA development works
[04:36] <crimsun> I just spent a couple hours working out a one-line fix for someone else's new X-Fi Extreme Audio
[04:36] <crimsun> there's no way things will always go smoothly, because new hardware will always be unsupported at some point
[04:36] <gavinbaker> there seem to be many, many others with the same hardware
[04:36] <gavinbaker> from all the forum posts + bugs
[04:37] <crimsun> yeah, well, all you see is the complaints.  You don't see the time we're putting in.  Not that I mean to sound bitter.
[04:37] <gavinbaker> i'm sure it's not the most fun thing in the world
[04:37] <gavinbaker> but you think that getting the new kernel will clear things up?
[04:37] <crimsun> no, I don't know that for certain.
[04:38] <crimsun> choose one of the routes, and I can get you up to speed.
[04:38] <gavinbaker> well, let's give gutsy's kernel a shot.
[04:38] <gavinbaker> what's the worst that can happen, right? ;)
[04:38] <crimsun> to be honest, you stand a better chance of sound working with hg.
[04:38] <gavinbaker> well, maybe we should do that, then
[04:39] <crimsun> and there's a lower likelihood that other things will break, since the update will be restricted to sound/
[04:39] <crimsun> ok, the first thing you need to do is install build-essential, linux-headers-$(uname -r), automake1.7, autoconf, libtool, and mercurial
[04:40] <crimsun> afterward, you need to execute the following commands: hg clone http://hg.alsa-project.org/alsa-kernel alsa-kernel && hg clone http://hg.alsa-project.org/alsa-driver alsa-driver
[04:41] <gavinbaker> feisty repositories ok?
[04:41] <crimsun> afterward, you need to execute the following commands _inside the alsa-driver directory_: ./hgcompile --with-cards=hda-intel --with-oss=yes --with-sequencer=yes --with-kernel=/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build && make && sudo make install-modules
[04:42] <crimsun> gavinbaker: yes, feisty repo is fine.
[04:44] <crimsun> afterward, make sure you remove any lines you've added to /etc/modprobe.d/* regarding snd-hda-intel (particularly ones specifying model=)
[04:44] <crimsun> after that, you should reboot.
[04:44] <gavinbaker> ok, everything installed. executing hg commands
[04:47] <gavinbaker> crimsun: hg commands executed. where should i run ./hgcompile, etc.?
[04:48] <gavinbaker> p.s. crimsun: thanks in advance
[04:49] <crimsun> gavinbaker: I've given you the directions that you need.
[04:49] <crimsun> 22:41 < crimsun> afterward, you need to execute the following commands _inside the alsa-driver directory_: ./hgcompile --wi[..] 
[04:49] <gavinbaker> right. pretend for a moment i don't know where the alsa-driver directory is...
[04:50] <crimsun> it's below your $(pwd)
[04:50] <crimsun> i.e., in ./alsa-driver/
[04:50] <gavinbaker> ah, there it is. thanks
[04:56] <gavinbaker> crimsun: commands executed. i commented out the line added to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base setting model=. restarting
[04:57] <crimsun> so many people just want stuff to magically work  </sigh>
[05:00] <gavinbaker> crimsun: i got the bongo roll at startup, so that's a good sign :)
[05:00] <gavinbaker> output from laptop speakers still work. testing headphones
[05:00] <gavinbaker> ah. so sad. nothing :(
[05:00] <gavinbaker> thanks anyway
[05:01] <crimsun> boot with them plugged in
[05:01] <crimsun> and make sure you've adjusted the mixer controls...
[05:01] <gavinbaker> yeah, i just thought to check that
[05:02] <gavinbaker> no problems with mixer
[05:03] <gavinbaker> booting
[05:07] <gavinbaker> crimsun: booted with phones plugged in. (phones work.) mixers are ok. no output from phones
[05:08] <gavinbaker> eh, it was a good try :)
[06:34] <crimsun> gavinbaker: ok
[06:35] <crimsun> gavinbaker: and this is _without_ model= specified, correct?
[06:35] <gavinbaker> crimsun, right, i commented that out
[06:36] <gavinbaker> so i guess, from that perspective, the new version is superior, because it finds the right model automagically
[06:36] <gavinbaker> but jack out still produces no sound
[06:36] <crimsun> rerun the script, please.
[06:36] <gavinbaker> i could test whether sound now works upon resume from hibernate
[06:37] <crimsun> don't mean to sound rude, but that's not my concern ATM
[06:37] <crimsun> I'd much rather dig the pins that need to be tweaked for HP out if that's in fact not a bios issue
[06:47] <crimsun> gavinbaker: any progress on that rerunning that alsa-info.sh script?
[06:48] <crimsun> right, grammar shot after midnight.
[06:49] <gavinbaker> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/532456
[06:49] <gavinbaker> brb
[06:56] <crimsun> well no wonder
[06:56] <crimsun> there's no indication of whether the jack sense is active
[06:56] <crimsun> and since it defaults to muted...
[06:57] <crimsun> gavinbaker: I need another pastebin of that script with the headphones plugged in (or unplugged - whatever the opposite of 532456)
[06:58] <DanaG> Hmm, in about two weeks, I'll deal with posting a report on the "kernel oops upon toggling capture".
[06:58] <crimsun> with feisty (2.6.20-16.28) or gutsy (2.6.22-6.13)?
[07:28] <gavinbaker> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/532561  -- with phones plugged in
[07:33] <crimsun> right, much as I suspected.
[07:33] <crimsun> no jack sense info at all.
[07:35] <crimsun> what's the make & model of the machine?
[07:35] <gavinbaker> crimsun: Toshiba Satellite L35-S2171
[07:37] <crimsun> gavinbaker: ok, close everything using sound - including the mixer applet in the top right panel - then: sudo modprobe -r snd_hda_intel && sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel model=lenovo
[07:38] <gavinbaker> done
[07:39] <crimsun> now, test with speakers and, separately, with headphones
[07:40] <gavinbaker> crimsun: speakers work
[07:41] <gavinbaker> headphones, no
[07:41] <gavinbaker> (alsamixer settings ok)
[07:41] <crimsun> ok, repeat with model=dallas
[07:42] <crimsun> (unload and reload)
[07:44] <gavinbaker> amarok won't play - xine says nope
[07:45] <crimsun> I have no idea what that means
[07:45] <crimsun> is ``aplay /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav'' inaudible?
[07:45] <gavinbaker> ALSA lib confmisc.c:670:(snd_func_card_driver) cannot find card '0'
[07:45] <gavinbaker> ALSA lib conf.c:3500:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_card_driver returned error: No such device
[07:45] <gavinbaker> ALSA lib confmisc.c:391:(snd_func_concat) error evaluating strings
[07:45] <gavinbaker> ALSA lib conf.c:3500:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_concat returned error: No such device
[07:45] <gavinbaker> ALSA lib confmisc.c:1070:(snd_func_refer) error evaluating name
[07:45] <gavinbaker> ALSA lib conf.c:3500:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_refer returned error: No such device
[07:45] <gavinbaker> ALSA lib conf.c:3968:(snd_config_expand) Evaluate error: No such device
[07:45] <gavinbaker> ALSA lib pcm.c:2145:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM default
[07:46] <gavinbaker> aplay: main:550: audio open error: No such device
[07:46] <crimsun> next time, please use pastebin instead of flooding the channel
[07:46] <crimsun> does your hardware have a spdif?
[07:46] <gavinbaker> i thought about that, but i decided against it.
[07:46] <gavinbaker> i don't know what a spdif is, so maybe? not?
[07:47] <crimsun> optical out
[07:47] <gavinbaker> no, i don't believe so
[07:47] <crimsun> it's usually marked as "SPDIF" on the sound card or in the area.
[07:47] <gavinbaker> yeah, i'm pretty sure it doesn't.
[07:47] <crimsun> ok, describe the jack layout
[07:48] <gavinbaker> on the front of the laptop, near where the lid opens, there are two jacks: one in, one out. there are no other inputs in the general vicinity
[07:49] <gavinbaker> i can account for all the jacks on the machine, except one in the back, oddly shaped and marked inscrutably with "F3"
[07:50] <gavinbaker> that's why i couldn't answer definitely either way.
[07:50] <crimsun> doesn't matter; it would have to be identically shaped to 1/8"ths
[07:52] <gavinbaker> wait, the "F3" is referring to something else. so it's just a totally inscrutable marking. i'm pretty sure it's not optical
[07:52] <crimsun> it's not.
[01:20] <tormod> hello, I have run debootstrap gutsy, and try to install the kernel. Unpacking of the kernel package fails with: Error setting debconf flags in linux-image-2.6.22-5-generic/preinst/bootloader-initrd-2.6.22-5-generic: linux-image-2.6.22-5-generic/preinst/bootloader-initrd-2.6.22-5-generic doesn't exist at /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst line 205, <STDIN> line 3.
[01:20] <tormod>  Anyone seen this? I am missing something, something else I must install first?
[01:27] <_4strO> yop
[01:51] <tormod> ok, turns out linux-image-generic is not up to date. Manually installing linux-image-2.6.22-6-generic works better, but this one fails when configuring...
[01:54] <tormod> with this: Undefined subroutine &main::get called at /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-2.6.22-6-generic.postinst line 576.
[02:12] <tormod> reopened bug #112126 for this...
[02:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112126 in linux-source-2.6.22 "pre-removal script failed" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112126
[05:16] <Enverex> Is there any way to get RT2500 cards working with Gutsy at all?
[05:16] <gnomefreak> Enverex: more than likely not yet
[05:17] <Enverex> What throws me off is that they say it's included in the .22 kernel now... but if that was true then surely it would have its modules loaded automatically
[05:17] <Enverex> (it being the monkey website)
[05:22] <borschty> some modules are disabled in some kernel builds since they cause them to fail
[05:29] <tormod> Enverex: did you install linux-ubuntu-modules?
[05:29] <Enverex> Yeah
[05:30] <tormod> Enverex: 2.6.22-6 ?
[05:31] <Enverex> -5 (haven't been using that machine since)
[05:38] <Enverex> 2.6.22-5-9 seems to be the latest in the repos
[05:38] <Enverex> Where did -6 come from?
[05:39] <tormod> Enverex: get the deb from launchpad
[05:39] <gnomefreak> -6 was rejected
[05:39] <gnomefreak> give thema  few more days/week before you see -6
[05:42] <tormod> gnomefreak: I am using l-u-m -6
[05:42] <gnomefreak> tormod: but not the kernel
[05:44] <tormod> gnomefreak: I am running kernel -6-13
[05:44] <gnomefreak> tormod: not from repos
[05:44] <gnomefreak> tormod: using git?
[05:45] <tormod> gnomefreak: apt-get install. But "linux-image-generic" is not up to date.
[05:45] <Enverex> Wont modules not load if you have a mismatch of versions like that?
[05:45] <gnomefreak> tormod: -6 was rejected yesterday as of about 4 hours there was no -6 in repos at all
[05:46] <Hobbsee> meh.  just wait a day
[05:46] <Hobbsee> you guys are impatient...
[05:46] <tormod> gnomefreak: I just did apt-get install  linux-image-2.6.22-6-generic a few hours ago.
[05:46] <Enverex> Hobbsee, Having no rt2500 at all indefinately is kinda sucky
[05:46] <gnomefreak> Enverex: nothing is projected to work until release
[05:47] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: you have link to NEW?
[05:47] <Enverex> gnomefreak, It was screwy in Feisty too so 7.10 has a better chance, heh
[05:47] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue?batch=500
[05:47] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: ty
[05:50] <lemonade> bcm43xx works nicely with gutsy
[05:50] <lemonade> it was pain in ass with feisty and before
[05:50] <gnomefreak> generic was pushed none of the others were. they are still in rejected
[05:50] <tormod> Enverex: you need a -6 kernel and a -6 l-u-m, then there's no version mismatch.
[05:54] <gnomefreak> they were just put up within last 3 or so minutes :)
[05:56] <limetang> What were?
[05:56] <tormod> gnomefreak: the powerpc yes. The generic has been there a long time.
[05:56] <gnomefreak> tormod: thats what i said above
[05:56] <Enverex> tormod, I'm not seeing it in Synaptic
[05:56] <gnomefreak> tormod: and ppc ia64 and 64 were just pushed to new. 386 still hasnt gona anywhere
[05:57] <gnomefreak> Enverex: you may not for a while depending what mirror your using
[06:00] <Enverex> hrm, aspell just kicked out errors repeatedly
[06:01] <Enverex> Also what's with the MEMORY-WARNING GSlice warnings that sound worrying?
[06:02] <limetang> My DVD drive (Lite-On DVDRW SHW-160P65) is unable to read some DVDs - it just makes a weird noise repeatedly. It works fine on WIndows.
[06:03] <limetang> When I did hdparm -v -i /dev/hdc, I got this error (along with the usual information): HDIO_GETGEO failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
[06:03] <Enverex> I'm supprised ia32-libs is still broken after a few weeks too
[06:06] <Hobbsee> why?
[06:06] <Enverex> Which servers are normally the first to update or is it pretty much random?
[06:06] <Hobbsee> gb.archive.ubuntu.com
[06:06] <Hobbsee> which is also archive.ubuntu.com
[06:07] <Enverex> Hrm, that's the one I'm on anyway
[06:07] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: thought it was uk.
[06:07] <Enverex> nO, IT'S GB
[06:07] <Enverex> damn caps
[06:07] <Enverex> Kernel image and headers are in but not modules yet
[06:10] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: uk == gb
[06:10] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: they are not differnet mirrors?
[06:11] <Hobbsee> however a.u.c != gb.a.u.c
[06:11] <Hobbsee> correct
[06:11] <gnomefreak> i have used both before
[06:11] <Enverex> Actually GB = England, Scotland, Wales. UK = GB + Northern Ireland.
[06:11] <Hobbsee> Enverex: i'd suggest you ping them
[06:11] <gnomefreak> different update intervals
[06:11] <Hobbsee> quite possibly
[06:11] <Hobbsee> well
[06:11] <Hobbsee> how?
[06:11] <Hobbsee> they're the same machine
[06:11] <Hobbsee> on the same address?
[06:11] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: i dont know. differetn ips
[06:12] <Enverex> Hobbsee, How does pinging them show which updates soonest? heh
[06:12] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: same IP and hostname.
[06:12] <gnomefreak> PING archive.ubuntu.com (91.189.88.31) 56(84) bytes of data.
[06:12] <gnomefreak> nomefreak@GutsyGibbons:~$ ping gb.archive.ubuntu.com
[06:12] <gnomefreak> PING gb.archive.ubuntu.com (194.169.254.10) 56(84) bytes of data.
[06:12] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~$ ping uk.archive.ubuntu.com
[06:12] <Hobbsee> PING uk.archive.ubuntu.com (194.169.254.10) 56(84) bytes of data.
[06:12] <gnomefreak> 194.169.254.10
[06:13] <Hobbsee> ie, uk == gb, gb.a.u.c != a.u.c though
[06:13] <gnomefreak> than archive.ubuntu.com isnt using eitehr
[06:13] <Enverex> I was talking literally, heh
[06:13] <Hobbsee> i thougth they used to resolve to the same address.  odd.
[06:13] <gnomefreak> im in US it should default to uk server
[06:13] <Hobbsee> maybe they changed it
[06:14] <Hobbsee> surely it should then default to the us server?
[06:14] <gnomefreak> nope
[06:14] <gnomefreak> us servers cant stay up for more than a week at a time
[06:15] <gnomefreak> leningradskaya.canonical.com  is what pinging archive.ubuntu.com gives me
[06:16] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: apparently there are 2 machines that alternate for the a.u.c
[06:16] <gnomefreak> thats odd
[06:16] <Hobbsee> ping, cancel, ping, cancel, rinse and repeate
[06:17] <gnomefreak> it is defaulting to us
[06:17] <gnomefreak> when did this change
[07:10] <MmikeMRMA> I have problem with booting gutsy in vmware6... After i type 'live' and press enter splash screen shows up, and after 5-10 seconds I'm in busybox... is there a way to boot without splash screen, so I could se what might went wrong?
[07:11] <MmikeMRMA> btw, live-expert is nonexistant kernel image (although it's suggested)
[07:19] <Tomcat_> MmikeMRMA: Why do you run gutsy if you don't know how to disable the splash? :)
[07:21] <MmikeMRMA> Tomcat_, so you don't either how to disable the splash? :)
[07:21] <Tomcat_> MmikeMRMA: Usually by removing the "splash" line from kernel boot options... works for me. :P
[07:22] <MmikeMRMA> Tomcat_, yes, or adding verbose... but, how do I do that with livecd? There is no /boot/grub/menu.lst or something like that....
[07:22] <Tomcat_> MmikeMRMA: Change the options live in grub, in the menu.
[07:23] <MmikeMRMA> Tomcat: when I boot gutsy from the .iso image there is no grub menu...
[07:25] <Tomcat_> I haven't seen gutsy yet, so in that case I don't know either. :)
[07:25] <Tomcat_> Older LiveCDs always had a menu.
[07:27] <MmikeMRMA> :) oh, well! :)
[07:27] <MmikeMRMA> so you DO have no clue! :)
[07:28] <Tomcat_> Well concerning your original question, I do... but not for the latest problem. :>
[07:31] <MmikeMRMA> well... bigger problem is that I don't have a clue too :)
[07:31] <MmikeMRMA> i typed 'live nosplash' or 'live verbose' but that has no effect
[07:33] <Tomcat_> Just "live" won't do?
[07:34] <MmikeMRMA> That begins booting with the splash screen... I can see the bar underneath ubuntu-logo, and after 5-10 seconds I'm in busybox... so I guess something happened, but because of the splash I can't see what...
[07:35] <MmikeMRMA> And I hate to shutdown this machine just to boot gutsy... Not even sure if I have blank CD around :)
[08:15] <thedeviantone> Can anyone assist me with compiling a kernel for SCSI controller support?
[10:46] <cowbud> anyone else have the problem of the gnome notification area not showing any icons? If so how did you fix it?
[11:26] <DanaG> odd, ninix-aya is not installable.
[11:27] <DanaG> depends on python-scipy and python-numpy;
[11:27] <DanaG> but those two packages have versioned conflicts.
[11:28] <DktrKranz> DanaG, could you please check if this has been reported in launchpad?
[11:28] <DktrKranz> if not, you may consider to file a new bug report
[11:28] <DktrKranz> using tag packaging
[11:30] <DanaG> Similar, but old, bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-f2py/+bug/66907
[11:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 66907 in python-f2py "Cannot install python-f2py in edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[11:30] <DanaG> Tag packaging?
[11:32] <DktrKranz> DanaG, using tags helps in bugfixing
[11:33] <DktrKranz> marking bugs with "packaging" or "bitesize" tags focuses developers attention on them
[11:34] <DanaG> I'll do it later today; I should go back to doing my homework...
[11:35] <DktrKranz> np :)
[11:35] <DktrKranz> If you will ever encounter such issues, remember to use those tags
[11:36] <DktrKranz> it is much easier for MOTUs and contributors to fix them :)