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siimohi any gutsy users here? :P12:35
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siimoyou gotta be gutsy to use gutsy12:36
borschty;)12:37
borschtyjust got nothing better to do ;)12:37
siimoheheh12:37
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DanaGwpa_supplicant(7865): Authentication with 00:00:00:00:00:00 timed out.01:27
DanaGIt's an open AP.01:27
crimsunI'm not sure why you pasted that01:33
crimsunare you implying there's a problem with wpasupplicant? with your wifi driver (Linux)? with network-manager? with your open AP?01:33
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DanaGOh, now it's working.01:45
DanaGI'm at a hotel, and apparently their AP is really unreliable.01:45
DanaGYay, 10 kiloBYTES per second.01:50
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bluefoxicymeh02:51
bluefoxicywhen i enable desktop effects in Feisty, the window title bars vanish (bye bye window manager)02:52
=== bluefoxicy wonders if this affects gutsy too...
=== bluefoxicy tries stuff.
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DanaGnvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals02:56
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crimsungavinbaker: you'll need to install gutsy's kernel to test04:34
gavinbaker:-/ is it going to break other things?04:34
crimsunit could.04:34
crimsunthe alternative is to have you compile alsa-kernel + alsa-driver hg.04:34
crimsuneither way, you're going to have to do some work.04:35
gavinbakerthat's reassuring :(04:35
crimsunthat's the way HDA development works04:35
crimsunI just spent a couple hours working out a one-line fix for someone else's new X-Fi Extreme Audio04:36
crimsunthere's no way things will always go smoothly, because new hardware will always be unsupported at some point04:36
gavinbakerthere seem to be many, many others with the same hardware04:36
gavinbakerfrom all the forum posts + bugs04:36
crimsunyeah, well, all you see is the complaints.  You don't see the time we're putting in.  Not that I mean to sound bitter.04:37
gavinbakeri'm sure it's not the most fun thing in the world04:37
gavinbakerbut you think that getting the new kernel will clear things up?04:37
crimsunno, I don't know that for certain.04:37
crimsunchoose one of the routes, and I can get you up to speed.04:38
gavinbakerwell, let's give gutsy's kernel a shot.04:38
gavinbakerwhat's the worst that can happen, right? ;)04:38
crimsunto be honest, you stand a better chance of sound working with hg.04:38
gavinbakerwell, maybe we should do that, then04:38
crimsunand there's a lower likelihood that other things will break, since the update will be restricted to sound/04:39
crimsunok, the first thing you need to do is install build-essential, linux-headers-$(uname -r), automake1.7, autoconf, libtool, and mercurial04:39
crimsunafterward, you need to execute the following commands: hg clone http://hg.alsa-project.org/alsa-kernel alsa-kernel && hg clone http://hg.alsa-project.org/alsa-driver alsa-driver04:40
gavinbakerfeisty repositories ok?04:41
crimsunafterward, you need to execute the following commands _inside the alsa-driver directory_: ./hgcompile --with-cards=hda-intel --with-oss=yes --with-sequencer=yes --with-kernel=/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build && make && sudo make install-modules04:41
crimsungavinbaker: yes, feisty repo is fine.04:42
crimsunafterward, make sure you remove any lines you've added to /etc/modprobe.d/* regarding snd-hda-intel (particularly ones specifying model=)04:44
crimsunafter that, you should reboot.04:44
gavinbakerok, everything installed. executing hg commands04:44
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gavinbakercrimsun: hg commands executed. where should i run ./hgcompile, etc.?04:47
gavinbakerp.s. crimsun: thanks in advance04:48
crimsungavinbaker: I've given you the directions that you need.04:49
crimsun22:41 < crimsun> afterward, you need to execute the following commands _inside the alsa-driver directory_: ./hgcompile --wi[..] 04:49
gavinbakerright. pretend for a moment i don't know where the alsa-driver directory is...04:49
crimsunit's below your $(pwd)04:50
crimsuni.e., in ./alsa-driver/04:50
gavinbakerah, there it is. thanks04:50
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gavinbakercrimsun: commands executed. i commented out the line added to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base setting model=. restarting04:56
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crimsunso many people just want stuff to magically work  </sigh>04:57
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gavinbakercrimsun: i got the bongo roll at startup, so that's a good sign :)05:00
gavinbakeroutput from laptop speakers still work. testing headphones05:00
gavinbakerah. so sad. nothing :(05:00
gavinbakerthanks anyway05:00
crimsunboot with them plugged in05:01
crimsunand make sure you've adjusted the mixer controls...05:01
gavinbakeryeah, i just thought to check that05:01
gavinbakerno problems with mixer05:02
gavinbakerbooting05:03
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gavinbakercrimsun: booted with phones plugged in. (phones work.) mixers are ok. no output from phones05:07
gavinbakereh, it was a good try :)05:08
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crimsungavinbaker: ok06:34
crimsungavinbaker: and this is _without_ model= specified, correct?06:35
gavinbakercrimsun, right, i commented that out06:35
gavinbakerso i guess, from that perspective, the new version is superior, because it finds the right model automagically06:36
gavinbakerbut jack out still produces no sound06:36
crimsunrerun the script, please.06:36
gavinbakeri could test whether sound now works upon resume from hibernate06:36
crimsundon't mean to sound rude, but that's not my concern ATM06:37
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crimsunI'd much rather dig the pins that need to be tweaked for HP out if that's in fact not a bios issue06:37
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crimsungavinbaker: any progress on that rerunning that alsa-info.sh script?06:47
crimsunright, grammar shot after midnight.06:48
gavinbakercrimsun: http://pastebin.ca/53245606:49
gavinbakerbrb06:49
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crimsunwell no wonder06:56
crimsunthere's no indication of whether the jack sense is active06:56
crimsunand since it defaults to muted...06:56
crimsungavinbaker: I need another pastebin of that script with the headphones plugged in (or unplugged - whatever the opposite of 532456)06:57
DanaGHmm, in about two weeks, I'll deal with posting a report on the "kernel oops upon toggling capture".06:58
crimsunwith feisty (2.6.20-16.28) or gutsy (2.6.22-6.13)?06:58
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gavinbakercrimsun: http://pastebin.ca/532561  -- with phones plugged in07:28
crimsunright, much as I suspected.07:33
crimsunno jack sense info at all.07:33
crimsunwhat's the make & model of the machine?07:35
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gavinbakercrimsun: Toshiba Satellite L35-S217107:35
crimsungavinbaker: ok, close everything using sound - including the mixer applet in the top right panel - then: sudo modprobe -r snd_hda_intel && sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel model=lenovo07:37
gavinbakerdone07:38
crimsunnow, test with speakers and, separately, with headphones07:39
gavinbakercrimsun: speakers work07:40
gavinbakerheadphones, no07:41
gavinbaker(alsamixer settings ok)07:41
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crimsunok, repeat with model=dallas07:41
crimsun(unload and reload)07:42
gavinbakeramarok won't play - xine says nope07:44
crimsunI have no idea what that means07:45
crimsunis ``aplay /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav'' inaudible?07:45
gavinbakerALSA lib confmisc.c:670:(snd_func_card_driver) cannot find card '0'07:45
gavinbakerALSA lib conf.c:3500:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_card_driver returned error: No such device07:45
gavinbakerALSA lib confmisc.c:391:(snd_func_concat) error evaluating strings07:45
gavinbakerALSA lib conf.c:3500:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_concat returned error: No such device07:45
gavinbakerALSA lib confmisc.c:1070:(snd_func_refer) error evaluating name07:45
gavinbakerALSA lib conf.c:3500:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_refer returned error: No such device07:45
gavinbakerALSA lib conf.c:3968:(snd_config_expand) Evaluate error: No such device07:45
gavinbakerALSA lib pcm.c:2145:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM default07:45
gavinbakeraplay: main:550: audio open error: No such device07:46
crimsunnext time, please use pastebin instead of flooding the channel07:46
crimsundoes your hardware have a spdif?07:46
gavinbakeri thought about that, but i decided against it.07:46
gavinbakeri don't know what a spdif is, so maybe? not?07:46
crimsunoptical out07:47
gavinbakerno, i don't believe so07:47
crimsunit's usually marked as "SPDIF" on the sound card or in the area.07:47
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gavinbakeryeah, i'm pretty sure it doesn't.07:47
crimsunok, describe the jack layout07:47
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gavinbakeron the front of the laptop, near where the lid opens, there are two jacks: one in, one out. there are no other inputs in the general vicinity07:48
gavinbakeri can account for all the jacks on the machine, except one in the back, oddly shaped and marked inscrutably with "F3"07:49
gavinbakerthat's why i couldn't answer definitely either way.07:50
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crimsundoesn't matter; it would have to be identically shaped to 1/8"ths07:50
gavinbakerwait, the "F3" is referring to something else. so it's just a totally inscrutable marking. i'm pretty sure it's not optical07:52
crimsunit's not.07:52
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tormodhello, I have run debootstrap gutsy, and try to install the kernel. Unpacking of the kernel package fails with: Error setting debconf flags in linux-image-2.6.22-5-generic/preinst/bootloader-initrd-2.6.22-5-generic: linux-image-2.6.22-5-generic/preinst/bootloader-initrd-2.6.22-5-generic doesn't exist at /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst line 205, <STDIN> line 3.01:20
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tormod Anyone seen this? I am missing something, something else I must install first?01:20
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tormodok, turns out linux-image-generic is not up to date. Manually installing linux-image-2.6.22-6-generic works better, but this one fails when configuring...01:51
tormodwith this: Undefined subroutine &main::get called at /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-2.6.22-6-generic.postinst line 576.01:54
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tormodreopened bug #112126 for this...02:12
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112126 in linux-source-2.6.22 "pre-removal script failed" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11212602:12
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EnverexIs there any way to get RT2500 cards working with Gutsy at all?05:16
gnomefreakEnverex: more than likely not yet05:16
EnverexWhat throws me off is that they say it's included in the .22 kernel now... but if that was true then surely it would have its modules loaded automatically05:17
Enverex(it being the monkey website)05:17
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borschtysome modules are disabled in some kernel builds since they cause them to fail05:22
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tormodEnverex: did you install linux-ubuntu-modules?05:29
EnverexYeah05:29
tormodEnverex: 2.6.22-6 ?05:30
Enverex-5 (haven't been using that machine since)05:31
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Enverex2.6.22-5-9 seems to be the latest in the repos05:38
EnverexWhere did -6 come from?05:38
tormodEnverex: get the deb from launchpad05:39
gnomefreak-6 was rejected05:39
gnomefreakgive thema  few more days/week before you see -605:39
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tormodgnomefreak: I am using l-u-m -605:42
gnomefreaktormod: but not the kernel05:42
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tormodgnomefreak: I am running kernel -6-1305:44
gnomefreaktormod: not from repos05:44
gnomefreaktormod: using git?05:44
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tormodgnomefreak: apt-get install. But "linux-image-generic" is not up to date.05:45
EnverexWont modules not load if you have a mismatch of versions like that?05:45
gnomefreaktormod: -6 was rejected yesterday as of about 4 hours there was no -6 in repos at all05:45
Hobbseemeh.  just wait a day05:46
Hobbseeyou guys are impatient...05:46
tormodgnomefreak: I just did apt-get install  linux-image-2.6.22-6-generic a few hours ago.05:46
EnverexHobbsee, Having no rt2500 at all indefinately is kinda sucky05:46
gnomefreakEnverex: nothing is projected to work until release05:46
gnomefreakHobbsee: you have link to NEW?05:47
Enverexgnomefreak, It was screwy in Feisty too so 7.10 has a better chance, heh05:47
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Hobbseegnomefreak: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue?batch=50005:47
gnomefreakHobbsee: ty05:47
lemonadebcm43xx works nicely with gutsy05:50
lemonadeit was pain in ass with feisty and before05:50
gnomefreakgeneric was pushed none of the others were. they are still in rejected05:50
tormodEnverex: you need a -6 kernel and a -6 l-u-m, then there's no version mismatch.05:50
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gnomefreakthey were just put up within last 3 or so minutes :)05:54
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limetangWhat were?05:56
tormodgnomefreak: the powerpc yes. The generic has been there a long time.05:56
gnomefreaktormod: thats what i said above05:56
Enverextormod, I'm not seeing it in Synaptic05:56
gnomefreaktormod: and ppc ia64 and 64 were just pushed to new. 386 still hasnt gona anywhere05:56
gnomefreakEnverex: you may not for a while depending what mirror your using05:57
Enverexhrm, aspell just kicked out errors repeatedly06:00
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EnverexAlso what's with the MEMORY-WARNING GSlice warnings that sound worrying?06:01
limetangMy DVD drive (Lite-On DVDRW SHW-160P65) is unable to read some DVDs - it just makes a weird noise repeatedly. It works fine on WIndows.06:02
limetangWhen I did hdparm -v -i /dev/hdc, I got this error (along with the usual information): HDIO_GETGEO failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device06:03
EnverexI'm supprised ia32-libs is still broken after a few weeks too06:03
Hobbseewhy?06:06
EnverexWhich servers are normally the first to update or is it pretty much random?06:06
Hobbseegb.archive.ubuntu.com06:06
Hobbseewhich is also archive.ubuntu.com06:06
EnverexHrm, that's the one I'm on anyway06:07
gnomefreakHobbsee: thought it was uk.06:07
EnverexnO, IT'S GB06:07
Enverexdamn caps06:07
EnverexKernel image and headers are in but not modules yet06:07
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Hobbseegnomefreak: uk == gb06:10
gnomefreakHobbsee: they are not differnet mirrors?06:10
Hobbseehowever a.u.c != gb.a.u.c06:11
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Hobbseecorrect06:11
gnomefreaki have used both before06:11
EnverexActually GB = England, Scotland, Wales. UK = GB + Northern Ireland.06:11
HobbseeEnverex: i'd suggest you ping them06:11
gnomefreakdifferent update intervals06:11
Hobbseequite possibly06:11
Hobbseewell06:11
Hobbseehow?06:11
Hobbseethey're the same machine06:11
Hobbseeon the same address?06:11
gnomefreakHobbsee: i dont know. differetn ips06:11
EnverexHobbsee, How does pinging them show which updates soonest? heh06:12
Hobbseegnomefreak: same IP and hostname.06:12
gnomefreakPING archive.ubuntu.com (91.189.88.31) 56(84) bytes of data.06:12
gnomefreaknomefreak@GutsyGibbons:~$ ping gb.archive.ubuntu.com06:12
gnomefreakPING gb.archive.ubuntu.com (194.169.254.10) 56(84) bytes of data.06:12
Hobbseesarah@LongPointyStick:~$ ping uk.archive.ubuntu.com06:12
HobbseePING uk.archive.ubuntu.com (194.169.254.10) 56(84) bytes of data.06:12
gnomefreak194.169.254.1006:12
Hobbseeie, uk == gb, gb.a.u.c != a.u.c though06:13
gnomefreakthan archive.ubuntu.com isnt using eitehr06:13
EnverexI was talking literally, heh06:13
Hobbseei thougth they used to resolve to the same address.  odd.06:13
gnomefreakim in US it should default to uk server06:13
Hobbseemaybe they changed it06:13
Hobbseesurely it should then default to the us server?06:14
gnomefreaknope06:14
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gnomefreakus servers cant stay up for more than a week at a time06:14
gnomefreakleningradskaya.canonical.com  is what pinging archive.ubuntu.com gives me06:15
Hobbseegnomefreak: apparently there are 2 machines that alternate for the a.u.c06:16
gnomefreakthats odd06:16
Hobbseeping, cancel, ping, cancel, rinse and repeate06:16
gnomefreakit is defaulting to us06:17
gnomefreakwhen did this change06:17
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MmikeMRMAI have problem with booting gutsy in vmware6... After i type 'live' and press enter splash screen shows up, and after 5-10 seconds I'm in busybox... is there a way to boot without splash screen, so I could se what might went wrong?07:10
MmikeMRMAbtw, live-expert is nonexistant kernel image (although it's suggested)07:11
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Tomcat_MmikeMRMA: Why do you run gutsy if you don't know how to disable the splash? :)07:19
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MmikeMRMATomcat_, so you don't either how to disable the splash? :)07:21
Tomcat_MmikeMRMA: Usually by removing the "splash" line from kernel boot options... works for me. :P07:21
MmikeMRMATomcat_, yes, or adding verbose... but, how do I do that with livecd? There is no /boot/grub/menu.lst or something like that....07:22
Tomcat_MmikeMRMA: Change the options live in grub, in the menu.07:22
MmikeMRMATomcat: when I boot gutsy from the .iso image there is no grub menu...07:23
Tomcat_I haven't seen gutsy yet, so in that case I don't know either. :)07:25
Tomcat_Older LiveCDs always had a menu.07:25
MmikeMRMA:) oh, well! :)07:27
MmikeMRMAso you DO have no clue! :)07:27
Tomcat_Well concerning your original question, I do... but not for the latest problem. :>07:28
MmikeMRMAwell... bigger problem is that I don't have a clue too :)07:31
MmikeMRMAi typed 'live nosplash' or 'live verbose' but that has no effect07:31
Tomcat_Just "live" won't do?07:33
MmikeMRMAThat begins booting with the splash screen... I can see the bar underneath ubuntu-logo, and after 5-10 seconds I'm in busybox... so I guess something happened, but because of the splash I can't see what...07:34
MmikeMRMAAnd I hate to shutdown this machine just to boot gutsy... Not even sure if I have blank CD around :)07:35
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thedeviantoneCan anyone assist me with compiling a kernel for SCSI controller support?08:15
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cowbudanyone else have the problem of the gnome notification area not showing any icons? If so how did you fix it?10:46
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DanaGodd, ninix-aya is not installable.11:26
DanaGdepends on python-scipy and python-numpy;11:27
DanaGbut those two packages have versioned conflicts.11:27
DktrKranzDanaG, could you please check if this has been reported in launchpad?11:28
DktrKranzif not, you may consider to file a new bug report11:28
DktrKranzusing tag packaging11:28
DanaGSimilar, but old, bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-f2py/+bug/6690711:30
ubotuLaunchpad bug 66907 in python-f2py "Cannot install python-f2py in edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 11:30
DanaGTag packaging?11:30
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DktrKranzDanaG, using tags helps in bugfixing11:32
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DktrKranzmarking bugs with "packaging" or "bitesize" tags focuses developers attention on them11:33
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DanaGI'll do it later today; I should go back to doing my homework...11:34
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DktrKranznp :)11:35
DktrKranzIf you will ever encounter such issues, remember to use those tags11:35
DktrKranzit is much easier for MOTUs and contributors to fix them :)11:36
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