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siimo | hi any gutsy users here? :P | 12:35 |
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siimo | you gotta be gutsy to use gutsy | 12:36 |
borschty | ;) | 12:37 |
borschty | just got nothing better to do ;) | 12:37 |
siimo | heheh | 12:37 |
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DanaG | wpa_supplicant(7865): Authentication with 00:00:00:00:00:00 timed out. | 01:27 |
DanaG | It's an open AP. | 01:27 |
crimsun | I'm not sure why you pasted that | 01:33 |
crimsun | are you implying there's a problem with wpasupplicant? with your wifi driver (Linux)? with network-manager? with your open AP? | 01:33 |
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DanaG | Oh, now it's working. | 01:45 |
DanaG | I'm at a hotel, and apparently their AP is really unreliable. | 01:45 |
DanaG | Yay, 10 kiloBYTES per second. | 01:50 |
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bluefoxicy | meh | 02:51 |
bluefoxicy | when i enable desktop effects in Feisty, the window title bars vanish (bye bye window manager) | 02:52 |
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DanaG | nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals | 02:56 |
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crimsun | gavinbaker: you'll need to install gutsy's kernel to test | 04:34 |
gavinbaker | :-/ is it going to break other things? | 04:34 |
crimsun | it could. | 04:34 |
crimsun | the alternative is to have you compile alsa-kernel + alsa-driver hg. | 04:34 |
crimsun | either way, you're going to have to do some work. | 04:35 |
gavinbaker | that's reassuring :( | 04:35 |
crimsun | that's the way HDA development works | 04:35 |
crimsun | I just spent a couple hours working out a one-line fix for someone else's new X-Fi Extreme Audio | 04:36 |
crimsun | there's no way things will always go smoothly, because new hardware will always be unsupported at some point | 04:36 |
gavinbaker | there seem to be many, many others with the same hardware | 04:36 |
gavinbaker | from all the forum posts + bugs | 04:36 |
crimsun | yeah, well, all you see is the complaints. You don't see the time we're putting in. Not that I mean to sound bitter. | 04:37 |
gavinbaker | i'm sure it's not the most fun thing in the world | 04:37 |
gavinbaker | but you think that getting the new kernel will clear things up? | 04:37 |
crimsun | no, I don't know that for certain. | 04:37 |
crimsun | choose one of the routes, and I can get you up to speed. | 04:38 |
gavinbaker | well, let's give gutsy's kernel a shot. | 04:38 |
gavinbaker | what's the worst that can happen, right? ;) | 04:38 |
crimsun | to be honest, you stand a better chance of sound working with hg. | 04:38 |
gavinbaker | well, maybe we should do that, then | 04:38 |
crimsun | and there's a lower likelihood that other things will break, since the update will be restricted to sound/ | 04:39 |
crimsun | ok, the first thing you need to do is install build-essential, linux-headers-$(uname -r), automake1.7, autoconf, libtool, and mercurial | 04:39 |
crimsun | afterward, you need to execute the following commands: hg clone http://hg.alsa-project.org/alsa-kernel alsa-kernel && hg clone http://hg.alsa-project.org/alsa-driver alsa-driver | 04:40 |
gavinbaker | feisty repositories ok? | 04:41 |
crimsun | afterward, you need to execute the following commands _inside the alsa-driver directory_: ./hgcompile --with-cards=hda-intel --with-oss=yes --with-sequencer=yes --with-kernel=/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build && make && sudo make install-modules | 04:41 |
crimsun | gavinbaker: yes, feisty repo is fine. | 04:42 |
crimsun | afterward, make sure you remove any lines you've added to /etc/modprobe.d/* regarding snd-hda-intel (particularly ones specifying model=) | 04:44 |
crimsun | after that, you should reboot. | 04:44 |
gavinbaker | ok, everything installed. executing hg commands | 04:44 |
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gavinbaker | crimsun: hg commands executed. where should i run ./hgcompile, etc.? | 04:47 |
gavinbaker | p.s. crimsun: thanks in advance | 04:48 |
crimsun | gavinbaker: I've given you the directions that you need. | 04:49 |
crimsun | 22:41 < crimsun> afterward, you need to execute the following commands _inside the alsa-driver directory_: ./hgcompile --wi[..] | 04:49 |
gavinbaker | right. pretend for a moment i don't know where the alsa-driver directory is... | 04:49 |
crimsun | it's below your $(pwd) | 04:50 |
crimsun | i.e., in ./alsa-driver/ | 04:50 |
gavinbaker | ah, there it is. thanks | 04:50 |
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gavinbaker | crimsun: commands executed. i commented out the line added to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base setting model=. restarting | 04:56 |
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crimsun | so many people just want stuff to magically work </sigh> | 04:57 |
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gavinbaker | crimsun: i got the bongo roll at startup, so that's a good sign :) | 05:00 |
gavinbaker | output from laptop speakers still work. testing headphones | 05:00 |
gavinbaker | ah. so sad. nothing :( | 05:00 |
gavinbaker | thanks anyway | 05:00 |
crimsun | boot with them plugged in | 05:01 |
crimsun | and make sure you've adjusted the mixer controls... | 05:01 |
gavinbaker | yeah, i just thought to check that | 05:01 |
gavinbaker | no problems with mixer | 05:02 |
gavinbaker | booting | 05:03 |
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gavinbaker | crimsun: booted with phones plugged in. (phones work.) mixers are ok. no output from phones | 05:07 |
gavinbaker | eh, it was a good try :) | 05:08 |
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crimsun | gavinbaker: ok | 06:34 |
crimsun | gavinbaker: and this is _without_ model= specified, correct? | 06:35 |
gavinbaker | crimsun, right, i commented that out | 06:35 |
gavinbaker | so i guess, from that perspective, the new version is superior, because it finds the right model automagically | 06:36 |
gavinbaker | but jack out still produces no sound | 06:36 |
crimsun | rerun the script, please. | 06:36 |
gavinbaker | i could test whether sound now works upon resume from hibernate | 06:36 |
crimsun | don't mean to sound rude, but that's not my concern ATM | 06:37 |
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crimsun | I'd much rather dig the pins that need to be tweaked for HP out if that's in fact not a bios issue | 06:37 |
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crimsun | gavinbaker: any progress on that rerunning that alsa-info.sh script? | 06:47 |
crimsun | right, grammar shot after midnight. | 06:48 |
gavinbaker | crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/532456 | 06:49 |
gavinbaker | brb | 06:49 |
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crimsun | well no wonder | 06:56 |
crimsun | there's no indication of whether the jack sense is active | 06:56 |
crimsun | and since it defaults to muted... | 06:56 |
crimsun | gavinbaker: I need another pastebin of that script with the headphones plugged in (or unplugged - whatever the opposite of 532456) | 06:57 |
DanaG | Hmm, in about two weeks, I'll deal with posting a report on the "kernel oops upon toggling capture". | 06:58 |
crimsun | with feisty (2.6.20-16.28) or gutsy (2.6.22-6.13)? | 06:58 |
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gavinbaker | crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/532561 -- with phones plugged in | 07:28 |
crimsun | right, much as I suspected. | 07:33 |
crimsun | no jack sense info at all. | 07:33 |
crimsun | what's the make & model of the machine? | 07:35 |
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gavinbaker | crimsun: Toshiba Satellite L35-S2171 | 07:35 |
crimsun | gavinbaker: ok, close everything using sound - including the mixer applet in the top right panel - then: sudo modprobe -r snd_hda_intel && sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel model=lenovo | 07:37 |
gavinbaker | done | 07:38 |
crimsun | now, test with speakers and, separately, with headphones | 07:39 |
gavinbaker | crimsun: speakers work | 07:40 |
gavinbaker | headphones, no | 07:41 |
gavinbaker | (alsamixer settings ok) | 07:41 |
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crimsun | ok, repeat with model=dallas | 07:41 |
crimsun | (unload and reload) | 07:42 |
gavinbaker | amarok won't play - xine says nope | 07:44 |
crimsun | I have no idea what that means | 07:45 |
crimsun | is ``aplay /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav'' inaudible? | 07:45 |
gavinbaker | ALSA lib confmisc.c:670:(snd_func_card_driver) cannot find card '0' | 07:45 |
gavinbaker | ALSA lib conf.c:3500:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_card_driver returned error: No such device | 07:45 |
gavinbaker | ALSA lib confmisc.c:391:(snd_func_concat) error evaluating strings | 07:45 |
gavinbaker | ALSA lib conf.c:3500:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_concat returned error: No such device | 07:45 |
gavinbaker | ALSA lib confmisc.c:1070:(snd_func_refer) error evaluating name | 07:45 |
gavinbaker | ALSA lib conf.c:3500:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_refer returned error: No such device | 07:45 |
gavinbaker | ALSA lib conf.c:3968:(snd_config_expand) Evaluate error: No such device | 07:45 |
gavinbaker | ALSA lib pcm.c:2145:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM default | 07:45 |
gavinbaker | aplay: main:550: audio open error: No such device | 07:46 |
crimsun | next time, please use pastebin instead of flooding the channel | 07:46 |
crimsun | does your hardware have a spdif? | 07:46 |
gavinbaker | i thought about that, but i decided against it. | 07:46 |
gavinbaker | i don't know what a spdif is, so maybe? not? | 07:46 |
crimsun | optical out | 07:47 |
gavinbaker | no, i don't believe so | 07:47 |
crimsun | it's usually marked as "SPDIF" on the sound card or in the area. | 07:47 |
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gavinbaker | yeah, i'm pretty sure it doesn't. | 07:47 |
crimsun | ok, describe the jack layout | 07:47 |
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gavinbaker | on the front of the laptop, near where the lid opens, there are two jacks: one in, one out. there are no other inputs in the general vicinity | 07:48 |
gavinbaker | i can account for all the jacks on the machine, except one in the back, oddly shaped and marked inscrutably with "F3" | 07:49 |
gavinbaker | that's why i couldn't answer definitely either way. | 07:50 |
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crimsun | doesn't matter; it would have to be identically shaped to 1/8"ths | 07:50 |
gavinbaker | wait, the "F3" is referring to something else. so it's just a totally inscrutable marking. i'm pretty sure it's not optical | 07:52 |
crimsun | it's not. | 07:52 |
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tormod | hello, I have run debootstrap gutsy, and try to install the kernel. Unpacking of the kernel package fails with: Error setting debconf flags in linux-image-2.6.22-5-generic/preinst/bootloader-initrd-2.6.22-5-generic: linux-image-2.6.22-5-generic/preinst/bootloader-initrd-2.6.22-5-generic doesn't exist at /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst line 205, <STDIN> line 3. | 01:20 |
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tormod | Anyone seen this? I am missing something, something else I must install first? | 01:20 |
_4strO | yop | 01:27 |
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tormod | ok, turns out linux-image-generic is not up to date. Manually installing linux-image-2.6.22-6-generic works better, but this one fails when configuring... | 01:51 |
tormod | with this: Undefined subroutine &main::get called at /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-2.6.22-6-generic.postinst line 576. | 01:54 |
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tormod | reopened bug #112126 for this... | 02:12 |
ubotu | Launchpad bug 112126 in linux-source-2.6.22 "pre-removal script failed" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/112126 | 02:12 |
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Enverex | Is there any way to get RT2500 cards working with Gutsy at all? | 05:16 |
gnomefreak | Enverex: more than likely not yet | 05:16 |
Enverex | What throws me off is that they say it's included in the .22 kernel now... but if that was true then surely it would have its modules loaded automatically | 05:17 |
Enverex | (it being the monkey website) | 05:17 |
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borschty | some modules are disabled in some kernel builds since they cause them to fail | 05:22 |
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tormod | Enverex: did you install linux-ubuntu-modules? | 05:29 |
Enverex | Yeah | 05:29 |
tormod | Enverex: 2.6.22-6 ? | 05:30 |
Enverex | -5 (haven't been using that machine since) | 05:31 |
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Enverex | 2.6.22-5-9 seems to be the latest in the repos | 05:38 |
Enverex | Where did -6 come from? | 05:38 |
tormod | Enverex: get the deb from launchpad | 05:39 |
gnomefreak | -6 was rejected | 05:39 |
gnomefreak | give thema few more days/week before you see -6 | 05:39 |
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tormod | gnomefreak: I am using l-u-m -6 | 05:42 |
gnomefreak | tormod: but not the kernel | 05:42 |
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tormod | gnomefreak: I am running kernel -6-13 | 05:44 |
gnomefreak | tormod: not from repos | 05:44 |
gnomefreak | tormod: using git? | 05:44 |
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tormod | gnomefreak: apt-get install. But "linux-image-generic" is not up to date. | 05:45 |
Enverex | Wont modules not load if you have a mismatch of versions like that? | 05:45 |
gnomefreak | tormod: -6 was rejected yesterday as of about 4 hours there was no -6 in repos at all | 05:45 |
Hobbsee | meh. just wait a day | 05:46 |
Hobbsee | you guys are impatient... | 05:46 |
tormod | gnomefreak: I just did apt-get install linux-image-2.6.22-6-generic a few hours ago. | 05:46 |
Enverex | Hobbsee, Having no rt2500 at all indefinately is kinda sucky | 05:46 |
gnomefreak | Enverex: nothing is projected to work until release | 05:46 |
gnomefreak | Hobbsee: you have link to NEW? | 05:47 |
Enverex | gnomefreak, It was screwy in Feisty too so 7.10 has a better chance, heh | 05:47 |
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Hobbsee | gnomefreak: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue?batch=500 | 05:47 |
gnomefreak | Hobbsee: ty | 05:47 |
lemonade | bcm43xx works nicely with gutsy | 05:50 |
lemonade | it was pain in ass with feisty and before | 05:50 |
gnomefreak | generic was pushed none of the others were. they are still in rejected | 05:50 |
tormod | Enverex: you need a -6 kernel and a -6 l-u-m, then there's no version mismatch. | 05:50 |
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gnomefreak | they were just put up within last 3 or so minutes :) | 05:54 |
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limetang | What were? | 05:56 |
tormod | gnomefreak: the powerpc yes. The generic has been there a long time. | 05:56 |
gnomefreak | tormod: thats what i said above | 05:56 |
Enverex | tormod, I'm not seeing it in Synaptic | 05:56 |
gnomefreak | tormod: and ppc ia64 and 64 were just pushed to new. 386 still hasnt gona anywhere | 05:56 |
gnomefreak | Enverex: you may not for a while depending what mirror your using | 05:57 |
Enverex | hrm, aspell just kicked out errors repeatedly | 06:00 |
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Enverex | Also what's with the MEMORY-WARNING GSlice warnings that sound worrying? | 06:01 |
limetang | My DVD drive (Lite-On DVDRW SHW-160P65) is unable to read some DVDs - it just makes a weird noise repeatedly. It works fine on WIndows. | 06:02 |
limetang | When I did hdparm -v -i /dev/hdc, I got this error (along with the usual information): HDIO_GETGEO failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device | 06:03 |
Enverex | I'm supprised ia32-libs is still broken after a few weeks too | 06:03 |
Hobbsee | why? | 06:06 |
Enverex | Which servers are normally the first to update or is it pretty much random? | 06:06 |
Hobbsee | gb.archive.ubuntu.com | 06:06 |
Hobbsee | which is also archive.ubuntu.com | 06:06 |
Enverex | Hrm, that's the one I'm on anyway | 06:07 |
gnomefreak | Hobbsee: thought it was uk. | 06:07 |
Enverex | nO, IT'S GB | 06:07 |
Enverex | damn caps | 06:07 |
Enverex | Kernel image and headers are in but not modules yet | 06:07 |
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Hobbsee | gnomefreak: uk == gb | 06:10 |
gnomefreak | Hobbsee: they are not differnet mirrors? | 06:10 |
Hobbsee | however a.u.c != gb.a.u.c | 06:11 |
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Hobbsee | correct | 06:11 |
gnomefreak | i have used both before | 06:11 |
Enverex | Actually GB = England, Scotland, Wales. UK = GB + Northern Ireland. | 06:11 |
Hobbsee | Enverex: i'd suggest you ping them | 06:11 |
gnomefreak | different update intervals | 06:11 |
Hobbsee | quite possibly | 06:11 |
Hobbsee | well | 06:11 |
Hobbsee | how? | 06:11 |
Hobbsee | they're the same machine | 06:11 |
Hobbsee | on the same address? | 06:11 |
gnomefreak | Hobbsee: i dont know. differetn ips | 06:11 |
Enverex | Hobbsee, How does pinging them show which updates soonest? heh | 06:12 |
Hobbsee | gnomefreak: same IP and hostname. | 06:12 |
gnomefreak | PING archive.ubuntu.com (91.189.88.31) 56(84) bytes of data. | 06:12 |
gnomefreak | nomefreak@GutsyGibbons:~$ ping gb.archive.ubuntu.com | 06:12 |
gnomefreak | PING gb.archive.ubuntu.com (194.169.254.10) 56(84) bytes of data. | 06:12 |
Hobbsee | sarah@LongPointyStick:~$ ping uk.archive.ubuntu.com | 06:12 |
Hobbsee | PING uk.archive.ubuntu.com (194.169.254.10) 56(84) bytes of data. | 06:12 |
gnomefreak | 194.169.254.10 | 06:12 |
Hobbsee | ie, uk == gb, gb.a.u.c != a.u.c though | 06:13 |
gnomefreak | than archive.ubuntu.com isnt using eitehr | 06:13 |
Enverex | I was talking literally, heh | 06:13 |
Hobbsee | i thougth they used to resolve to the same address. odd. | 06:13 |
gnomefreak | im in US it should default to uk server | 06:13 |
Hobbsee | maybe they changed it | 06:13 |
Hobbsee | surely it should then default to the us server? | 06:14 |
gnomefreak | nope | 06:14 |
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gnomefreak | us servers cant stay up for more than a week at a time | 06:14 |
gnomefreak | leningradskaya.canonical.com is what pinging archive.ubuntu.com gives me | 06:15 |
Hobbsee | gnomefreak: apparently there are 2 machines that alternate for the a.u.c | 06:16 |
gnomefreak | thats odd | 06:16 |
Hobbsee | ping, cancel, ping, cancel, rinse and repeate | 06:16 |
gnomefreak | it is defaulting to us | 06:17 |
gnomefreak | when did this change | 06:17 |
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MmikeMRMA | I have problem with booting gutsy in vmware6... After i type 'live' and press enter splash screen shows up, and after 5-10 seconds I'm in busybox... is there a way to boot without splash screen, so I could se what might went wrong? | 07:10 |
MmikeMRMA | btw, live-expert is nonexistant kernel image (although it's suggested) | 07:11 |
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Tomcat_ | MmikeMRMA: Why do you run gutsy if you don't know how to disable the splash? :) | 07:19 |
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MmikeMRMA | Tomcat_, so you don't either how to disable the splash? :) | 07:21 |
Tomcat_ | MmikeMRMA: Usually by removing the "splash" line from kernel boot options... works for me. :P | 07:21 |
MmikeMRMA | Tomcat_, yes, or adding verbose... but, how do I do that with livecd? There is no /boot/grub/menu.lst or something like that.... | 07:22 |
Tomcat_ | MmikeMRMA: Change the options live in grub, in the menu. | 07:22 |
MmikeMRMA | Tomcat: when I boot gutsy from the .iso image there is no grub menu... | 07:23 |
Tomcat_ | I haven't seen gutsy yet, so in that case I don't know either. :) | 07:25 |
Tomcat_ | Older LiveCDs always had a menu. | 07:25 |
MmikeMRMA | :) oh, well! :) | 07:27 |
MmikeMRMA | so you DO have no clue! :) | 07:27 |
Tomcat_ | Well concerning your original question, I do... but not for the latest problem. :> | 07:28 |
MmikeMRMA | well... bigger problem is that I don't have a clue too :) | 07:31 |
MmikeMRMA | i typed 'live nosplash' or 'live verbose' but that has no effect | 07:31 |
Tomcat_ | Just "live" won't do? | 07:33 |
MmikeMRMA | That begins booting with the splash screen... I can see the bar underneath ubuntu-logo, and after 5-10 seconds I'm in busybox... so I guess something happened, but because of the splash I can't see what... | 07:34 |
MmikeMRMA | And I hate to shutdown this machine just to boot gutsy... Not even sure if I have blank CD around :) | 07:35 |
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thedeviantone | Can anyone assist me with compiling a kernel for SCSI controller support? | 08:15 |
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cowbud | anyone else have the problem of the gnome notification area not showing any icons? If so how did you fix it? | 10:46 |
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DanaG | odd, ninix-aya is not installable. | 11:26 |
DanaG | depends on python-scipy and python-numpy; | 11:27 |
DanaG | but those two packages have versioned conflicts. | 11:27 |
DktrKranz | DanaG, could you please check if this has been reported in launchpad? | 11:28 |
DktrKranz | if not, you may consider to file a new bug report | 11:28 |
DktrKranz | using tag packaging | 11:28 |
DanaG | Similar, but old, bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-f2py/+bug/66907 | 11:30 |
ubotu | Launchpad bug 66907 in python-f2py "Cannot install python-f2py in edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 11:30 |
DanaG | Tag packaging? | 11:30 |
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DktrKranz | DanaG, using tags helps in bugfixing | 11:32 |
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DktrKranz | marking bugs with "packaging" or "bitesize" tags focuses developers attention on them | 11:33 |
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DanaG | I'll do it later today; I should go back to doing my homework... | 11:34 |
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DktrKranz | np :) | 11:35 |
DktrKranz | If you will ever encounter such issues, remember to use those tags | 11:35 |
DktrKranz | it is much easier for MOTUs and contributors to fix them :) | 11:36 |
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