[12:13] <jander99> I've only really done programming in the academic setting, with Java no less. So I still have alot to learn so to speak
[12:15] <Burgundavia> right
[12:15] <Burgundavia> are you a kubuntu or ubuntu user?
[12:15] <Riddell> one of us one of us
[12:15] <Burgundavia> Riddell: stop drooling :)
[12:16] <jander99> kubuntu. something about gnome just doesn't set right with me, plus I've been a windows user for years.
[12:17] <Burgundavia> then I recommend #kubuntu-devel if you want to help with the DE
[12:17] <Riddell> it's were all the cool kids hang out
[12:17] <Riddell> where
[12:17] <Burgundavia> you mean the kool kids?
[12:18] <Riddell> no, I refuse to have anything to do with gratuitous K's
[12:18] <jander99> haha. k00l kidz
[12:18] <Burgundavia> sadly you use KDED
[12:18] <Burgundavia> it is inevitable
[12:19] <jander99> hey it wasnt my intention to start a gnome vs kde debate. I have those on a regular basis in real life lol
[12:19] <Riddell> I'll win eventually, every day the non gratuitous K's side grows
[12:19] <Riddell> nobody mentioned gnome, we're just slagging off stupid K's
[01:00] <Kmos> Riddell: can you take care of bug 104848
[01:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 104848 in hwdb-client "Bad english translation on hwdb-client" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/104848
[01:14] <marek> somone with coreutils-6.9 running, please?
[01:16] <crimsun> 6.9? um, it's not even in Debian.
[01:18] <marek> crimsun: well, 6.9 is quite old.
[01:19] <marek> ok :( thanks anyway.
[01:19] <marek> have a nice day ubuntu! :)
[04:35] <parmindergupta> hi everyone,
[04:36] <parmindergupta> can someone point me to some documentation regarding ubuntu boot process and the way kernel is compiled, loads modules etc
[04:39] <Burgundavia> the boot process uses upstart
[04:40] <Burgundavia> for the kernel, do you want to new way for gutsy or the way for 7.04 and earlier?] 
[04:40] <poningru_> Burgundavia: whats the new way?
[04:40] <poningru_> for gutsy
[04:41] <parmindergupta> i have 7.04 on my system and want to try and customize that. but sure i would like to know about the new way too
[04:45] <Burgundavia> just a sec
[04:50] <Burgundavia> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000286.html
[04:57] <parmindergupta> Burgundavia: thanx :)
[05:11] <parmindergupta> Burgundavia: is there a way i can upgrade to this new system on my fiesta system, or is there some document that i can check out for fiesta
[05:22] <parmindergupta> sorry i got disconnected 
[05:27] <parmindergupta> join #ubuntu
[06:33] <stuNNed> mmmmk so no SELinux in Ubuntu?  let me chop off both my balls and call it pride.
[06:33] <stuNNed> if in usa then nsa, oh well
[06:33] <stuNNed> brb, the FBI is knocking on my door
[06:34] <stuNNed> oh, got to go, i'll idle a bit, they have questions that need a answerin`
[06:34] <LaserJock> morning Hobbsee 
[06:35] <Hobbsee> hiya LaserJock :)
[06:35] <geser> Hi Hobbsee
[06:36] <Hobbsee> hi geser 
[06:36] <stuNNed> FBI says Ubuntu can...i cannot repeat it...it's pretty fowl....
[06:39] <crimsun> uh, what are you blabbering about?
[06:39] <BenC> I know that Ubuntu has selinux, you just have to install the right packages
[06:40] <Burgundavia> stuNNed: there is SELinux in Ubuntu, just not installed by default
[06:48] <LaserJock> there's also apparmor, right? wasn't there some plan to have that default in Ubuntu?
[06:48] <Burgundavia> no idea
[06:49] <Burgundavia> apparmour rubs me wrong, with all the marketing Novell does
[06:50] <stuNNed> Burgundavia: how to enable it
[06:50] <Hobbsee> that's a #ubuntu type question
[06:50] <stuNNed> Burgundavia: brb need to give a neighbor and ride and reboot
[06:50] <Burgundavia> indeed
[06:50] <Burgundavia> I love attitude
[06:51] <Burgundavia> it gets people so far in the world
[06:53] <Fujitsu> That was nice.
[06:56] <mneptok> sadly, attitude and intelligence often seem to have an inverse relationship.
[06:57] <StevenK> I can think of a few people who have both, which is even sadder.
[06:57] <Hobbsee> JUST SHOOT THE STUPID PEOPLE!
[06:57] <Hobbsee> ahem.
[06:57] <StevenK> *cough* Theo *cough*
[06:59] <Burgundavia> be nice Hobbsee
[06:59] <Burgundavia> if you start shooting the stupid people, you might end before the CC, which increases my stress lelve
[06:59] <mneptok> StevenK: i'd agree with you if you had a point. or maybe if i was a moron. when you start your own BSD fork let us know so we can take shelter while laughing. p.s. your license choice sucks.
[06:59] <Burgundavia> so please, think of me
[06:59] <Hobbsee> Burgundavia: i've been to work today.
[06:59] <mneptok> oh ... excuse me ...
[06:59] <Burgundavia> I just quit my job
[07:00] <crimsun> now now, I'm pretty stupid, and I don't like being shot.
[07:00] <Hobbsee> Burgundavia: i've dealt with enough stupid to last me the week.
[07:00] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: maybe you should give Hobbsee some of your pills to mellow her out a bit
[07:00] <Hobbsee> heh
[07:00] <Hobbsee> Burgundavia: that depends as to whether shooting people is against the CC.
[07:00] <Hobbsee> no you're not, crimsun 
[07:00] <Hobbsee> just give me the crack.....
[07:00] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: really? you finally made it?
[07:00] <Hobbsee> mmm...crack...
[07:00] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: I finally quit
[07:00] <Burgundavia> http://www.google.ca/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=code+of+doncut <-- funny typo
[07:00] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: got other worked lined up?
[07:01] <Burgundavia> nope, not yet
[07:01] <Burgundavia> Hobbsee: you know, I don't think the CoC covers shooting people
[07:01] <LaserJock> well, congrats and hope you find something :-)
[07:02] <Hobbsee> Burgundavia: it depends.  we were discussing this at UDS.
[07:02] <poningru> Burgundavia: WHAT?
[07:02] <Burgundavia> just think, I won't pester you about desktop-multiplier any more
[07:02] <poningru> you what?
[07:02] <LaserJock> well, as long as you are being respectful while you were doing it
[07:02] <poningru> WAAAH?
[07:02] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: finally
[07:02] <poningru> Burgundavia: what happened?
[07:02] <Hobbsee> in some cases, shooting certain people is actually being respectful to the other people in the community, hence it's a CoC violation *not* to shoot them.
[07:02] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: hehe
[07:02] <poningru> the fedora crap got to you?
[07:03] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: hmm, that's a bit of a stretch ;-)
[07:03] <mneptok> Hobbsee: i sense my impending death
[07:03] <poningru> Hobbsee: I like the way you think, I would like to subscribe to your magazine
[07:03] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: depending on who it is.
[07:03] <Hobbsee> mneptok: nah...just arnieboy's
[07:03] <Burgundavia> poningru: no, the management crap got to me
[07:03] <Hobbsee> poningru: i think in many interesting, lateral ways :)
[07:03] <Hobbsee> i wouldnt be doing this if i didnt
[07:03] <mneptok> Hobbsee: OMG YOU *KNOW* HIM!? get me an autograph!
[07:03] <Hobbsee> would have given up tech long ago
[07:04] <Hobbsee> mneptok: he's queried me before, but not beyond that.
[07:04] <poningru> rofl
[07:04] <poningru> so wait a sec
[07:04] <mneptok> Hobbsee: "I can automate a lot of our sex." *wink*
[07:04] <poningru> arnieboy != governator of California?
[07:04] <poningru> ...
[07:04] <Hobbsee> mneptok: no, no, i'm not going to have sex with you, sorry.
[07:04] <LaserJock> hmm, "Hobbsee Magazine: Tales of DOOM". sounds interesting
[07:04] <mneptok> i mean, what *is* his come-on line?
[07:05] <mneptok> "I have extra repositories."
[07:05] <Burgundavia> mneptok: I don;t want to know about your suppositories
[07:05] <poningru> err elkbuntu 
[07:05] <elkbuntu> o.O
[07:06] <Hobbsee> now where's that mace...
[07:06] <LaserJock> mneptok: "Everything Ubuntu can't offer" ?
[07:06] <poningru> elkbuntu: bug: fix your nick, can be confused with a distro
[07:06] <poningru> ;p
[07:06] <elkbuntu> poningru, :
[07:06] <mneptok> poningru: trust me, elky wasn't talking about me in that thread
[07:07] <Hobbsee> not for most of it, an;yway
[07:07] <poningru> pwnt
[07:07] <Hobbsee> mneptok: when will you kill some people?
[07:07] <mneptok> Hobbsee: that assumes i haven't
[07:07] <poningru> mneptok: see reddit post about man almost dieing from his hamster's attack
[07:07] <Hobbsee> mneptok: okay, when will you go on another killing spree?
[07:07] <poningru> anyway back to fonera hacking
[07:07] <LaserJock> hmm, so that's how you deal with support requests
[07:08] <poningru> almost have it PoE only
[07:08] <mneptok> Hobbsee: "not soon enough."
[07:08] <LaserJock> 1. People complain
[07:08] <LaserJock> 2. Eliminate complaintants
[07:08] <LaserJock> 3. Profit
[07:09] <mneptok> brb. need more quicklime in the crawlspace. a bit humid today ...
[07:09] <Hobbsee> mneptok: damn.
[07:13] <mneptok> the entire backyard smells of tandoori. it's 1am.
[07:15] <poningru> awesome
[07:15] <poningru> oh wait
[07:24] <spasticteapot> Does anyone know if I can go "sudo aptitude remove gnome-desktop" and remove all traces of GNOME from my system?
[07:24] <Hobbsee> spasticteapot: #ubuntu for support
[07:25] <Hobbsee> but no
[07:25] <LaserJock> spasticteapot: I don't think so
[07:25] <spasticteapot> Fnord.
[07:25] <Hobbsee> spasticteapot: you'd have to remove libgtk2.0-0
[07:25] <spasticteapot> And a whole long list of other things.
[07:25] <Hobbsee> no, no, just libgtk2.0-0
[07:26] <spasticteapot> Is XFCE4 in the repository? Latest version?
[07:26] <spasticteapot> I'd like XFCE, not Xubuntu-modified XFCE.
[07:26] <LaserJock> spasticteapot: you can look at packages.ubuntu.com
[07:26] <spasticteapot> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce
[07:26] <Hobbsee> spasticteapot: #ubuntu for support
[07:26] <crimsun> or in this case, #xubuntu.
[07:27] <Hobbsee> yes, that
[07:34] <poningru> thanks for helping out my friend
[07:34] <poningru> sorry he was being an arse
[07:54] <stuNNed> how do you spell Kylie Minogue?
[07:54] <Hobbsee> ...
[07:54] <Hobbsee> !offtopic
[07:54] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[07:54] <stuNNed> jk...
[07:54] <stuNNed> sry
[07:54] <stuNNed> obot
[09:18] <mneptok> he started trolling #ubuntu
[09:18] <Fujitsu> Heh.
[09:19] <mneptok> irssi's /kb has a problem with channels as big as #ubuntu
[09:19] <mneptok> 03:16 -!- Irssi: Channel not fully synchronized yet, try again after a while
[09:19] <mneptok> greeeeeat
[09:21] <Hobbsee> oh lovely
[09:21] <Hobbsee> i hadnt been watching there...
[09:21] <Burgundavia> what did he do is #ubuntu
[09:21] <Burgundavia> ?
[09:22] <mneptok> well, i don't attend church regularly, so for penance ...
[09:22] <mneptok> 03:15 < stuNNed> i am bipolinear and in need of desperate scientifics to curb my spending for the minority groups in america
[09:23] <mneptok> wow. it *really* annoys Corey.
[09:24] <Hobbsee> mneptok: deal with teh moron in #kubuntu please
[09:24] <mneptok> well, AFAIK
[09:24] <Hobbsee> awww
[09:24] <Hobbsee> we'll see if eh behaves now
[09:28] <Hobbsee> mneptok: can fix :0
[09:28] <mneptok> uh oh
[10:04] <YokoZar> How do I tell configure to look into /usr/src/linux-headers-`uname -r`/include  for my package?
[10:05] <YokoZar> It's not finding a couple of the header files (in this case, linux/ipx.h and linux/compiler.h)
[10:06] <cjwatson_> is your package a kernel module?
[10:07] <YokoZar> No.  It's Wine.  But it's looking for linux/ipx.h
[10:07] <Hobbsee> evening cjwatson 
[10:07] <cjwatson> then it should be using /usr/include/linux/ipx.h instead
[10:07] <cjwatson> which is in gutsy's linux-libc-dev, though maybe not in earlier versions
[10:07] <YokoZar> Is that not in feisty?
[10:08] <cjwatson> if a kernel header you need isn't in linux-libc-dev, best practice is (a) file a bug (b) copy the header file into your package
[10:08] <cjwatson> haven't checked feisty, sorry, though linux-libc-dev certainly is in feisty's build-essential
[10:08] <YokoZar> Yeah
[10:09] <YokoZar> Ok so you're right about them being there in gutsy, which is good
[10:09] <YokoZar> Although usr/include/linux/compiler.h isn't there in gutsy
[10:09] <YokoZar> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=compiler.h&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=gutsy&arch=i386
[10:10] <cjwatson> at the risk of finding out the answer, why do you need linux/compiler.h from userspace?
[10:10] <YokoZar> I really don't know.  Wine's configure is looking for it
[10:11] <cjwatson> sometimes the answer is to patch that out :)
[10:11] <YokoZar> I'll ask on the Wine mailing list
[10:11] <YokoZar> Still, what bothers me is that configure isn't finding linux/ipx.h on feisty
[10:12] <YokoZar> But it should obviously be there
[10:13] <YokoZar> checking for netipx/ipx.h... yes
[10:13] <YokoZar> checking for linux/ipx.h... no
[10:14] <YokoZar> Ok so the partial answer about compiler.h is that it's being included by the file dlls/winedos/int13.c
[10:19] <cjwatson> hmm, why does usplash apparently reset the console font?
[10:21] <cjwatson> interesting, X saves and restores the console font - probably means the kernel is blatting the console font in graphics mode and usplash has to save and restore it too
[01:10] <Zic> Mithrandir: ping ?
[01:14] <Zic> I need an archive admin of Ubuntu for help with my "special" package of MenAreAnts (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5281) : It use a font which is already in archive.ubuntu.com, so I created a .link in debian/ directory. But with the font of archive.u.com (FreeMonoBold), the game (MenAreAnts) don't start and crash immediately.
[01:14] <Zic> anyway, MenAreAnts use FreeMonoBold which are in its sources
[01:14] <Zic> and with it, it works
[01:15] <Zic> (2 fonts have differently md5sums)
[01:20] <Zic> so, I need an archive admin to tell me if MAA will be rejected or not
[01:20] <Zic> MAA == MenAreAnts
[01:32] <Mithrandir> Zic: *shrug*; I don't think we'll reject it for that, but it sounds like a bug which should just be fixed.
[01:33] <sladen> there was a train going from Gotenburg-Oslo.  tempting.  Though I booked to Stockholm in the end
[01:33] <Zic> Mithrandir: however, upstream don't want to fix it ...
[01:33] <Zic> Mithrandir: thanks for your help, I will try ...
[01:34] <StevenK> Mithrandir: I know you don't like working weekends, but would you mind checking something for me?
[01:34] <Mithrandir> StevenK: I don't mind if it's just a minor thing, I just don't want to end up spending an hour.
[01:35] <StevenK> Mithrandir: Ah, right. I don't think so. I'm looking at gutsy_probs.html, and gnunet is listed as having some uninstallable binaries. My problem is that gnunet is in universe, LP says it is so, and it has never been promoted, and britney only runs over main. So, I'm confused.
[01:36] <cjwatson> when LP says something is in universe, it means the source.
[01:36] <Mithrandir> I'll take a look
[01:36] <StevenK> If the source is in universe, the binaries can't be in main.
[01:36] <cjwatson> in theory
[01:36] <StevenK> Oh.
[01:36] <cjwatson> use 'rmadison -u ubuntu -s gutsy -S gnunet'
[01:37] <Mithrandir> gnunet-tools |   0.7.1c-2 |         gutsy | i386
[01:37] <StevenK> gnunet-client |   0.7.1c-2 |         gutsy | i386
[01:37] <cjwatson> the binaries may not be in main by policy, but that doesn't mean that it is impossible for them to be.
[01:37] <StevenK> gnunet-client |   0.7.1c-2 | gutsy/universe | amd64, powerpc
[01:37] <cjwatson> I'll demote those noww
[01:37] <cjwatson> now
[01:37] <Mithrandir> cjwatson: I just did
[01:37] <StevenK> cjwatson: Way cool, thanks for sorting it and me out.
[01:37] <StevenK> Mithrandir: ^
[01:37] <cjwatson> ok
[01:38] <Mithrandir> np, happy to help
[01:38] <cjwatson> somebody evidently screwed up while processing NEW
[01:38] <StevenK> Ahh...
[01:38] <Mithrandir> there's a fair chunk of stuff on the binary-to-demote list
[01:40] <Mithrandir> and some crap on the to-promote list which shouldn't be there.  Like, apache.
[01:41] <StevenK> Interesting ...
[01:41] <Mithrandir> looks like a busted merge, but apache1 is going away in Debian too.
[01:42] <StevenK> A nastygram to kick it out has been filed?
[01:43] <Fujitsu> A message was sent to debian-devel a month ago about it being removed soon.
[01:43] <Mithrandir> I think so.
[01:44] <Fujitsu> 2007/05/01
[01:45] <StevenK> 30th April, actuallty
[01:45] <StevenK> actually
[01:46] <Fujitsu> I guess if you're talking UTC, yes.
[01:46] <StevenK> I was, since I was using the web archive.
[01:46] <Fujitsu> So I now realise.
[02:07] <Hobbsee> hey all
[02:12] <aspro> howdy
[02:40] <pygi> hey Halcy0n 
[02:40] <pygi> Hobbsee, 
[02:40] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:43] <mpt> Hobbsee, congratulations!
[02:44] <Hobbsee> mpt: thankyou :)
[02:51] <Amaranth> Keybuk: you pick bad times to ping me
[02:51] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: dont give him your mobile number then.
[02:51] <Amaranth> heh, i don't have a mobile :)
[02:51] <Hobbsee> easily fixed then
[02:52] <Amaranth> oh, my website says i do still :)
[02:52] <Hobbsee> may i make a public service annoucement that the australian customs people get quite pissed when your phone rings, as they're talking to you?
[02:53] <bhale> Hobbsee: QUARANTINE!
[02:53] <Hobbsee> bhale: i thought that sectoin said customs
[02:53] <Hobbsee> mind you...i dunno what was going on then - my brain wasnt working
[02:53] <bhale> Hobbsee: (i accidentally snuck a ton of tea and biscotti past them)
[02:54] <bhale> i thought i had dumped it all
[02:54] <Hobbsee> bhale: *snort* - australian security, coming in, or going out?
[02:54] <bhale> Hobbsee: coming in
[02:54] <Hobbsee> yeah, well, coming in...
[02:54] <Hobbsee> going out's more strict than coming in
[02:55] <bhale> i didnt really pick anything up going out
[02:55] <Hobbsee> coming in they didnt check my backpack at all, as they felt that there was a laptop in there by the weight of it
[02:55] <bhale> but they act like coming in is a big deal
[02:55] <bhale> with food products
[02:55] <bhale> anything organic
[02:55] <Hobbsee> so they just said "oh, we'll scan your other bag, and we dont need to see that one"
[02:55] <Hobbsee> heh, yeah
[03:26] <Keybuk> Amaranth: you pick bad times to break our future default window manager <g>
[03:26] <Amaranth> works great here :)
[03:27] <Amaranth> best package yet ;)
[03:27] <Keybuk> ***MEMORY-WARNING***: [5110] : GSlice: g_thread_init() must be called before all other GLib functions; memory corruption due to late invocation of g_thread_init() has been detected; this program is likely to crash, leak or unexpectedly abort soon...
[03:27] <Keybuk> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[03:27] <StevenK> Keybuk: Inkscape?
[03:27] <Keybuk> StevenK: compiz
[03:28] <ion_> Pretty much every glib program seems to be saying that.
[03:28] <StevenK> Ah. I saw the same error in inkscape and tried to fix it.
[03:28] <Amaranth> hehe, _every_ single application spits out that warning
[03:28] <Keybuk> Amaranth: they don't core dump though
[03:28] <ion_> Yeah, they seem to be fairly stable.
[03:28] <Amaranth> reset all settings to defaults and see if it still happens
[03:28] <Keybuk> #0  0xb761e8ae in expoOptionsInitDisplay (p=0x8171ce8, d=0x8076840)
[03:28] <Keybuk>     at build/expo_options.c:317
[03:28] <Keybuk> 317         d->privates[displayPrivateIndex] .ptr = od;
[03:28] <Amaranth> or just give me a backtrace :)
[03:28] <Keybuk> #1  0x0806c515 in pushPlugin ()
[03:28] <Keybuk> #2  0x08054bd4 in eventLoop ()
[03:28] <Keybuk> #3  0x080515a2 in main ()
[03:28] <Amaranth> oh, bleh
[03:29] <Amaranth> CLOSED, INVALID
[03:29] <Amaranth> ;)
[03:29] <Amaranth> you're using expo
[03:29] <Keybuk> ?
[03:29] <Keybuk> yes?
[03:29] <Amaranth> not packaged :)
[03:29] <Keybuk> it's in the spec as a default plugin <g>
[03:29] <Amaranth> and when i package it i'll make sure it works :)
[03:29] <Keybuk> why isn't it packaged yet?
[03:30] <Amaranth> well, right now it's because our core package is out of sync with their stuff
[03:30] <Amaranth> and the core changes are no where near done/stable
[03:30] <Keybuk> how do we get it in sync?
[03:30] <Keybuk> I understood that our compiz packages includes their core changes?
[03:30] <Amaranth> wait to see if something breaks and then update the compiz package
[03:30] <Amaranth> it does, this is something that changed 4 days ago
[03:31] <Amaranth> so all their plugins where updated for it
[03:31] <Amaranth> and it's a good change so i want it but i want to make sure it doesn't break lots of things first
[03:31] <Keybuk> how do you mean?
[03:31] <Amaranth> also, rebuild expo and it'll probably work
[03:31] <Amaranth> unless you've updated to latest compcomm git
[03:32] <Keybuk> just tried that, and expo doesn't build
[03:32] <ion_> What does the expo plugin do?
[03:32] <Amaranth> you've updated to latest compcomm git then :)
[03:32] <Keybuk> yes ?
[03:32] <Amaranth> ion_: it does the zoom out of your viewports
[03:32] <Amaranth> so you can see them all at once, move windows between them, etc
[03:32] <ion_> Alright, nice.
[03:32] <Amaranth> Keybuk: as i said, our package and their code are out of sync
[03:33] <Keybuk> I thought you said they were in sync since 4 days ago?
[03:33] <Amaranth> but this stuff is brand new, i don't even think everything is converted to use it
[03:33] <Keybuk> what is the stuff?
[03:33] <Amaranth> no, i said they went widely out of sync 4 days ago
[03:33] <Amaranth> multiscreen fixes
[03:33] <Keybuk> since we are aiming for compiz + compcomm, wouldn't it make sense to keep us in sync?
[03:34] <Amaranth> sure but not bleeding edge
[03:34] <Amaranth> i planned to update everything to latest git and present you 54 binary packages (from like 4 source packages) on thursday or so
[03:34] <Amaranth> i believe thursday is my day off
[03:37] <StevenK> launchpadlibrarian.net? Wah, where did librarian.launchpad.net go?
[03:37] <__keybuk> oops
[03:38] <__keybuk> don't run gdb on your active window manager if it's not in the active window
[03:38] <__keybuk> Amaranth: what did I miss?
[03:38] <StevenK> Keybuk: compiz reacted badly?
 i planned to update everything to latest git and present you 54 binary packages (from like 4 source packages) on thursday or so
 i believe thursday is my day off
[03:38] <Amaranth> StevenK: gdb stops it
[03:38] <Keybuk> ok
[03:38] <Amaranth> so nothing updates
[03:38] <StevenK> Ahh
[03:38] <StevenK> So you log in on a console and kill -CONT it?
[03:38] <StevenK> Or ssh in?
[03:39] <Amaranth> ssh yes
[03:39] <Keybuk> Amaranth: my concern is simply that the longer we don't have our desired final result packaged, the less testing we'll get of it
[03:39] <Amaranth> but you can't do a VT switch either
[03:39] <Keybuk> StevenK: meh, more effort than c-a-bkspace and login again
[03:39] <StevenK> Keybuk: Heh
[03:39] <Amaranth> Keybuk: right but i'm more concerned with each step of the way there being usable
[03:39] <Keybuk> Amaranth: still got white borders instead of shadows
[03:39] <Amaranth> eh?
[03:39] <Keybuk> Amaranth: today's step broke for me <g>
[03:40] <Amaranth> /apps/compiz/plugins/decoration/allscreens/options/shadow_radius
[03:40] <Amaranth> that should be 9
[03:40] <Amaranth> or at least != 8
[03:40] <Keybuk> oh, I had a bug about that
[03:40] <Keybuk> it changed from a float to an int
[03:40] <Keybuk> so I did "Unset Key" and it went to 8
[03:40] <Keybuk> 9 does indeed fix it.  you may want to fix Unset Key then :p
[03:41] <Amaranth> heh
[03:41] <Amaranth> compiz-gnome.gconf-defaults doesn't make it the default in the schema?
[03:41] <Keybuk> Amaranth: I noticed something in the changelog about window snapping - which doesn't seem to work for me
[03:41] <Amaranth> about window snapping?
[03:41] <Amaranth> oh, right, it should be on by default in wobbly
[03:41] <Keybuk> oh, it's a wobbly feature?
[03:41] <Amaranth> yeah
[03:42] <Amaranth> has been for ever
[03:42] <Keybuk> can I have wobbly without the wobble?
[03:42] <Amaranth> there is also a snap plugin in compcomm
[03:42] <Amaranth> no
[03:42] <Keybuk> is that snap like metacity does it (hold Shift) or just Snap-by-default?
[03:42] <Amaranth> metacity is by default
[03:42] <Keybuk> it is?  I always had to hold Shift while moving windows
[03:43] <Amaranth> but metacity actually does edge resistance, beryl's snap plugin doesn't quite match up
[03:43] <Amaranth> luckily metacity is somewhat sane here and has all the logic for that in one file on it's own :)
[03:43] <Keybuk> can we pluginify that logic?
[03:43] <Amaranth> which reminds me, that code is fun
[03:44] <Amaranth> they do a binary search for closest match with a boolean argument for whether you want over or under
[03:45] <Amaranth> which iirc is to find window edges
[03:45] <Amaranth> but yeah, i had planned to make that logic into a plugin
[03:45] <Amaranth> but -ENOTIME
[03:45] <Keybuk> sweet
[03:45] <Amaranth> so dunno if we'll get it
[03:45] <Amaranth> snap is close enough though
[03:46] <Amaranth> really just needs to ignore window edges that are hidden and not hold windows together after you've snapped them
[04:23] <BenC> Keybuk: mind processing the other 4 architectures for linux-source-2.6.22? :)
[04:25] <Keybuk> BenC: nothing in NEW
[04:28] <minghua> is there any buildd admin that I can ask to give-back uim now?
[04:35] <Mithrandir> Keybuk: it's in rejected
[04:39] <persia> Mithrandir: Please give-back cyrus21-imapd on all architectures.
[04:42] <Mithrandir> persia: uh, no?  It needs to move to libsnmp-dev
[04:43] <cjwatson> BenC: accepted
[04:43] <BenC> cjwatson: thanks
[04:44] <persia> Mithrandir: My misunderstanding of the build failure then.  Thanks.
[04:45] <minghua> Mithrandir: can uim be given-back on all arches?  it seems to be build failure due to kde not ready
[04:45] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: just give back the entire archive, will you? :P
[04:46] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: we do actually do mass-givebacks once in a while
[04:47] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: yeah, but entire archive ones?
[04:47] <Mithrandir> just all thefailed once.
[04:47] <Mithrandir> all the failed ones, even
[04:47] <Mithrandir> minghua: given-back
[04:47] <Hobbsee> ah, true that
[04:47] <Hobbsee> blerg.  someone find me a new wrist please.
[04:48] <minghua> Mithrandir: thanks.  so Ubuntu doesn't have binNMU, I should upload a -Xbuild1 to pick up the new SONAME of libuim, right?
[04:48] <Mithrandir> minghua: yes, you need to do that
[05:21] <ccm> is there an easy way to find out who uploaded a package to universe?
[05:22] <Hobbsee> ccm: lists.ubuntu.com/gutsy-changes or aptitude changelog foo
[05:22] <ccm> I think this is to few information: Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com>
[05:22] <Hobbsee> or look in launchpad
[05:22] <Hobbsee> maintainer != uplaoder
[05:22] <ccm> okay
[05:24] <ccm> Hobbsee: well I dont know what is the best way to continue with bug #112521
[05:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112521 in hardinfo "[apport]  hardinfo crashed with SIGSEGV in strcmp()" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112521
[05:24] <ccm> Hobbsee: this application has several duplicate crash reports (reproducable) and I am looking for someone to assign to
[05:25] <Hobbsee> ccm: looking at that version number, and the maintainer for gutsy, you should report that one to debian
[05:25] <ccm> i see
[05:25] <Hobbsee> seeing as ubuntu doesnt change that package at all
[05:26] <ccm> what do you mean be "seeing as ubuntu"?
[05:27] <Hobbsee> s/seeing as/because/
[05:27] <Hobbsee> hi pkl_ 
[05:27] <ccm> i see,
[05:33] <ccm> Hobbsee: let me continue about this, just to understand: the error occurs in a version that is already updated but of course won't get updated in feisty. So if nobody is willing to backport the patch for this very error it won't get fixed until gutsy right?
[05:33] <Hobbsee> something like that
[05:33] <Hobbsee> you can request a backport of the entire package, too, but it will go to feisty-backports, nto feisty-updates
[05:33] <Hobbsee> but you're right, yes.
[05:34] <ccm> can you point me to a backport request page?
[05:34] <Hobbsee> !backport
[05:34] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging
[05:34] <ccm> tahnk you
[05:34] <Hobbsee> no problem
[05:37] <Hobbsee> uh oh, i'ts sabdfl_.  everyone behave!
[05:37] <sabdfl_> is there a standard command to add a source of debs to /etc/apt/sources.list?
[05:37] <sabdfl_> hey Hobbsee
[05:38] <Hobbsee> hiya
[05:38] <sabdfl_> am writing a script which greps to see if one it needs is there
[05:38] <sabdfl_> and if not, it needs to add it
[05:38] <sabdfl_> initial attempt was just:
[05:38] <sabdfl_> sudo echo "\ndeb http://lpdebs.canonical.com/${DISTRIB_CODENAME} ./" >> /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:38] <sabdfl_> but that don't work
[05:39] <bhale> sabdfl_: that is because the sudo is running the command as root, but the shell is still you
[05:39] <bhale> sabdfl_: so a shell redirect (>>) doesnt have permission
[05:39] <bhale> sabdfl_: sudo -s and try again.
[05:39] <sabdfl_> ah, any way to work around that?
[05:39] <Hobbsee> there's another command.  i used to know what it was, too.
[05:39] <bhale> tee?
[05:39] <cjwatson> echo "blah" | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list >/dev/null
[05:39] <Hobbsee> that's the one.
[05:40] <sabdfl_> thanks colin :-)
[05:40] <Hobbsee> didnt realise my brain was that shot.
[05:40] <cjwatson> there is no standard command to add a source afaik
[05:45] <Hobbsee> no...using tee is the only one i've ever seen given out in #ubuntu though...so that's the most common
[07:06] <MmikeMRMA> Where do I get info/help with gutsy? 
[07:08] <superm1> MmikeMRMA, #ubuntu+1
[07:08] <MmikeMRMA> superm1, 10x
[07:54] <thedeviantone_> Hello everyone, I'm looking to install Ubuntu 6.06 on a generic mobo with amd 650. but the issue I'm having is with the PERC2/SC SCSI controller.. someone mentioned that I need to rebuild the kernel
[07:54] <thedeviantone_>  can anyone help?
[07:56] <mrsn0> thedeviantone_ this channel isn't for support really, try in #ubuntu but be sure to check wiki.ubuntu.com > search > kernel and you should find information on rebuilding the kernel
[10:56] <spasticteapot> Anyone here?
[10:57] <spasticteapot> I recently tried Ubuntu again - I've pretty much exclusively been using Xubunu for reasons of "GNOME is bloaty."
[10:57] <spasticteapot> Makes my Thinkpad run very, very slowly.
[10:57] <spasticteapot> I must say, however, that you (the developers) have done a bang-up job of making an easy-to-use operating system.
[10:57] <spasticteapot> Honestly, it might even be MORE intuitive than either windows or mac.
[10:58] <spasticteapot> What I'd like to know, however, is why Ubuntu by nature requires a speedy machine. I would like to install Ubuntu on a few machines and give them to some local nonprofits that could use them, but Xubuntu is, well, headache-inducing.
[11:01] <mjr> sounds like you want LTSP :] 
[11:01] <spasticteapot> LTSP?
[11:01] <mjr> linux terminal server project; thin clients, you know
[11:01] <spasticteapot> LTS = Long Term Support. LTSP = ?
[11:01] <spasticteapot> I don't want thin clients. I just want something that will let Toys for Tots do spreadsheets.
[11:02] <spasticteapot> Like DeLi Linux.
[11:02] <etank> spasticteapot: we (Kentucky LoCo) are looking at doing the same type of thing.
[11:02] <spasticteapot> If Linux can be made to run on ultra-cheap computers like the EFIKA single-board computer - which is dirt cheap - then $100 desktops are a reality today.
[11:02] <etank> spasticteapot: and our plan is to use Xubuntu
[11:02] <spasticteapot> etank: Xubuntu is....incomplete.
[11:03] <spasticteapot> It crashes quite a bit. 
[11:03] <spasticteapot> Things freeze. 
[11:03] <etank> i dont run Xubuntu so i dont know about the freezes.
[11:04] <spasticteapot> It needs work. A LOT of work.
[11:04] <spasticteapot> The application launcher is kinda sketchy, too - a lot of programs and packages don't show up in it.
[11:05] <spasticteapot> XFCE was designed to be used somewhat differently than GNOME. The people in #XFCE can explain it better than I can, but the whole windows-style "start menu" thing is NOT the way the XFCE dev team is going.
[11:05] <spasticteapot> Also, it needs a minimum of 256mb of RAM. Anything less is a pain in the butt.
[11:07] <spasticteapot> http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2007/04/22/howto-set-up-feisty-for-speed/
[11:07] <spasticteapot> Something like the above - it's got an agglomeration of a few different window-manager bits, and runs on a PII/333 with 192mb of RAM.
[11:08] <spasticteapot> Or you could just go with fluxbox, and tweak it so that it's easier to use (similar to all of Ubuntu's additions to Gnome.)
[11:08] <spasticteapot> Or IceWM. IceWM would work very well indeed.
[11:16] <wasabi> spasticteapot: Gnome isn't really *that* bloated. I run it on 500mhz machines with 128mb ram no problem. If you want to go lower, well, start hacking. ;)
[11:16] <spasticteapot> wasabi: HOW?
[11:16] <wasabi> How what
[11:17] <spasticteapot> A base Ubuntu install on my "test machine" (1.2ghz/512mb) lags nastily.
[11:17] <wasabi> Define lag.
[11:17] <spasticteapot> Click on Synaptic...wait ten seconds...enter password...wait ten seconds....
[11:17] <wasabi> Don't use synaptic?
[11:17] <wasabi> Also, most of that is probably dpkg.
[11:17] <wasabi> Not anything "gnome"-related
[11:17] <spasticteapot> ?
[11:18] <spasticteapot> My laptop has a slower processor, and yet, under XFCE, magically works much faster.
[11:18] <wasabi> synaptic works faster?
[11:20] <adam0509> XFCE roxx tbh, thunar rox, and xfce4-panel is very good ! (but not perfect thus...)
[11:21] <adam0509> I wonder why I am still on GNOME... maybe because I make HOW-TOs for french wiki...
[11:23] <adam0509> well, since am I here, how do you make big menu in XFCE ? It's too small by defaut :/
[11:23] <wasabi> The same synaptic runs whether you log in using Xfce or Gnome.
[11:23] <wasabi> Gnome is nothing magical. It's just a set of programs: the panel, nautilus, the session manager.
[11:24] <RadiantFire> spasticteapot: the dpkg database is massive, it will take a while to scan
[11:26] <wasabi> I do think it would be nice if the dpkg database could have some sort of speed up cache thing as an option.
[11:27] <wasabi> (pre scanned, dumped, representation of what the scanning produces, obsolted by mod dates)