[12:15] <__Chris> I have a machine that had Ubuntu and XP on it.  I had to reload XP, and now I don't get the GRUB menu?  Do I have to reload Ubuntu, or is there another easier fix?  Thanks
[12:15] <__Chris> Anyone here?
[12:15] <benjamin> on my computer its very slow, not useable, and the plugins dont work .. .
[12:15] <mantan> _chris, what were the XP installation settings?
[12:16] <BluesKaj> __Chris, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[12:16] <__Chris> Mantan - What do you mean?  It was on its own partition
[12:16] <mantan> well you might have wiped all the partitions
[12:16] <mantan> XP isn't exactly versatile with partitions
[12:17] <__Chris> Mantan - I don't think so, there were two UNKNOWNS when I did it.
[12:17] <greg_g> dr_willis: ok, I got that working (required an actual restart of the computer) thanks
[12:17] <jzilla> or you might have wiped your MBR with the reinstall of xp
[12:17] <ubuntu_> Sysinfo for 'ubuntu': Linux 2.6.20-15-generic running KDE 3.5.6, CPU: Intel(R)Pentium(R)4CPU3.20GHz at 3199 MHz (6399 bogomips), , RAM: 492/503MB, 125 proc's, 55.33min up
[12:17] <mantan> My copy forces me to wipe the whole drive
[12:17] <mantan> although it can leave space
[12:18] <greg_g> dr_willis: wonder if you can help me with something else related.  How does one change the screen resolution of kdm/gdm.  My resolution is set correctly in both gnome and kde, but when I boot or restart X, the login screen is set to a larger size and text is thus blury
[12:18] <mantan> in anycase alexey: I'm having problems trying to get my alsa driver
[12:18] <BluesKaj> __Chris, another suggestion ..if possible DL and burn Supergrub cd , or my fav which has a lot of options. Ultimate Boot Disc
[12:19] <greg_g> dr_willis: did you leave?
[12:19] <__Chris> Okay!  Thanks everyone!
[12:20] <mantan> in anycase I'm having problems trying to get my alsa driver
[12:20] <greg_g> well, if he is, could someone else look at my question above concerning resolution and gdm/kdm?
[12:20] <trakinas> back
[12:21] <Allysan> blechhh
[12:21] <ubuntu_> os[Linux 2.6.20-15-generic - Debian 4.0 - Ubuntu DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu ( http://www.ubuntu.com )]  | up[59 minutes]  | cpu[Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.20GHz SMP (2 processors), 3199.893 MHz (12803.8 bogomips)]  |  | chipset[Intel Corporation 82865G/PE/P DRAM Controller/Host-Hub Interface (rev 02)]  | mem[497.15/503.17 MB (98.8%)]  | video[ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R300 ND [Radeon 9700 Pro]  at 1792x1344 (32 bits)]  | opengl[Mesa DRI R300 20060815
[12:21] <ubuntu_> AGP 1x x86/MMX/SSE2 TCL powered by Tungsten Graphics, Inc. with driver 1.3 Mesa 6.5.2]  | xchat[Version: Client is not XChat!]  | [sysinfo-dg 1.1-DocTrax_1.46] 
[12:22] <BluesKaj> !paste | ubuntu_,
[12:22] <ubotu> ubuntu_,: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[12:22] <trakinas> yo: any sucess?
[12:23] <trakinas> does anyone knows about including another linux system into grub?
[12:25] <kal> hi
[12:25] <BluesKaj> trakinas, if grub sees the partition and  /boot/grub/menu.lst is not hiding the menu (hiddenmenu ) , yes .
[12:27] <icf7> trakinas: Have a look in /etc/grub/menu.lst . Search for "95/98/NT/2000" , below is an example for other Linux systems
[12:27] <BluesKaj> for some reason the grubmenu becomes hidden when grub is reinstalled after a windows install
[12:28] <BluesKaj> altho grub will automatically boot into kubuntu, after grub has been reinstalled
[12:29] <icf7> uncommenting hiddenmenu does not work?
[12:29] <BluesKaj> icf7, yes it does
[12:30] <BluesKaj> I had to do it , but it's a bug that I had to discover for myself
[12:31] <BluesKaj> didn't have that prob in edgy
[12:32] <BluesKaj> why would grub hide the menu by default ...i fail to understand the reasoning there
[12:36] <DocTrax___> the file /etc/lsb-release is not well formatted
[12:37] <trakinas> icf7: thanks!! :] 
[12:38] <DocTrax___> it should contain one line like "Ubuntu 7.04 Feisty" or only 7.04
[12:39] <jordo23_> How do I install Gnome under Kubuntu without installing the meta packages that will switch it over to Ubuntu..??
[12:40] <dr_willis> you can always set the splash and other things back
[12:40] <dr_willis> thats all it really does is set the splash screen and gdm. and it asks about gdm.
[12:41] <asa> This is ___Chris, thanks guys!  I got it back!  Woo Hoo!
[12:43] <Dutchy> I was wondering if anyone could tell me in which package knotify resides? I installed amarok under gnome and i told a knotify window in amarok to do something and now everything i get a message box, amarok hangs
[12:44] <BluesKaj> dr_willis, gnome-desktop-environment ... or will that take over ?
[12:45] <jzilla> 32bit or 64bit
[12:46] <dr_willis> jzilla:  i see no need for most people - to use 64bit
[12:46] <dr_willis> BluesKaj:  i always install ubuntu , then kubuntu-desktop then xubuntu-desktop :)
[12:46] <BluesKaj> personally I went with 32 bit due to hardware recognition probs in 64
[12:47] <BluesKaj> xubuntu-desktop ?
[12:47] <ubuntu_> hello
[12:48] <dr_willis> !xubuntu
[12:48] <ubotu> xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". | For support, see #xubuntu | See also: !ubuntu and !xubuntu-channels
[12:48] <dr_willis> Howdy
[12:48] <ubuntu_> ok thanks
[12:49] <BluesKaj> ahh yes , Xfce ...tried that once ...for a short time :)
[12:49] <trakinas> !grub
[12:49] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[12:52] <ubuntu_> i french and i whant to intal mosila
[12:52] <BluesKaj> trakinas, is your pc autobooting into kubuntu now ?
[12:53] <ubuntu_> how ?
[12:53] <BluesKaj> !fr | ubuntu_
[12:53] <ubotu> ubuntu_: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[12:53] <ubuntu_> thanks
[12:54] <BluesKaj> np
[12:54] <K-Ryan> Hey guys, I saw someone talking about it the other day. Some program, Kolor something. Anyone?
[12:54] <K-Ryan> The equivalent of Paint for Linux
[12:54] <BluesKaj> KolourPaint
[12:54] <K-Ryan> Ah
[12:55] <dr_willis> I miss good old DeluxePaint
[12:55] <dr_willis> :)
[12:55] <K-Ryan> Oh it had the u, that's why it didn't work.
[12:55] <trakinas> K-Ryan: there is also tuxpaint
[12:55] <BluesKaj> it's in the kde pkg , K-Ryan
[12:55] <K-Ryan> I don't have it though BluesKaj
[12:55] <trakinas> K-Ryan: yes! britsh english.... coloUr
[12:55] <trakinas> =P
[12:55] <BluesKaj> just do the apt-get install
[12:55] <K-Ryan> I am BluesKaj
[12:55] <K-Ryan> trakinas: =P
[12:56] <pirateking_> hello?
[12:56] <K-Ryan> Hi pirateking_
[12:56] <trakinas> moin!
[12:56] <BluesKaj> we spell it -our here in canada
[12:56] <K-Ryan> The "u" is just fancy talk =P
[12:56] <pirateking_> this is Aramis Booker piratekings brother
[12:57] <BluesKaj> it's the original spelling
[12:57] <nick_> Hi Guys, just wondering if anyone can help. I'm a linux newbie trying to conect my toshiba external HD, but although it is recognised, I can't access it and it doesn't appear under storage media. It is unmounted. Any ideas welcome!
[12:57] <K-Ryan> The modern spelling is color, so stuff with the "u" is fancy, to me.
[12:57] <BluesKaj> zeee for zed...that's dutch/german...not english
[12:57] <K-Ryan> Anyways...
[12:58] <BluesKaj> hehe ....
[12:58] <K-Ryan> nick_: While I myself am not 100% with mounting there are plenty of people here who can help you with that so stick around.
[12:58] <nick_> thx very much
[12:58] <K-Ryan> Sorry =P
[12:59] <nick_> no worries mate
[12:59] <K-Ryan> Actually...
[12:59] <K-Ryan> !mount
[12:59] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter
[12:59] <BluesKaj> yeah nick_, we need the heavy hitters in here for that one ...not an uncommon problem so somebody will know
[12:59] <K-Ryan> !diskmounter
[12:59] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[12:59] <K-Ryan> Hrmm
[12:59] <K-Ryan> Try that link
[01:00] <nick_> thanks guys!
[01:00] <BluesKaj> not good for external drive probs K-Ryan
[01:00] <K-Ryan> Well it isn't a problem
[01:00] <K-Ryan> He just needs to mount it
[01:00] <K-Ryan> It's worth checking, no?
[01:01] <BluesKaj> it is til he  mounts it :)
[01:01] <fdoving> nick_: is guess it's ntfs?
[01:01] <K-Ryan> My external was fat32
[01:01] <BluesKaj> well, some ppl were confused by it
[01:01] <Grant> uh
[01:01] <nick_> hang on i'll try to check...I'm out of my depth already so please hold on
[01:02] <K-Ryan> What's up Grant?
[01:02] <BluesKaj> BBL
[01:02] <Grant> I reformatted my HD with linux to FAT32, but it's still NTFS
[01:02] <Grant> Windows says it's FAT32 as well
[01:02] <Grant> but fdisk -l lists it as NTFS
[01:03] <fdoving> Grant: that's only the partition type.
[01:03] <Grant> well than what's up with Windows?
[01:04] <fdoving> Grant: well, the filesystem can be fat32, even if the partition type i set to be ntfs.
[01:04] <fdoving> so windows might be right.
[01:04] <Grant> I reset the partion too...
[01:04] <Grant> using cfdisk or something
[01:04] <bordy240> what do I need to DL to get DVDs to work with kaffeine? I forgot
[01:05] <nick_> ok guys, sorry I have no idea whether it is ntfs or FAT 32. I think it's prob. best if I get my mate to take a look at it for me, as there is little doubt that I'll screw something major up and lose data or somthing..
[01:05] <Dragnslcr> !dvd
[01:05] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[01:06] <K-Ryan> For a 16 year old, I'm having too much fun with Tux Paint
[01:07] <Grant> how am I supposed to mount the hard drive in linux if I can't set it to FAT32?
[01:07] <K-Ryan> You can mount an NTFS
[01:07] <K-Ryan> You can even read/write it although writing is not recommended if I'm correct.
[01:07] <Grant> it's not listed as NTFS even though it is
[01:07] <Grant> or was
[01:08] <Grant> it says "SFS"
[01:08] <K-Ryan> SFS?
[01:08] <Grant> yea.... doesn't exist
[01:08] <Grant> must be some kind of bug
[01:08] <K-Ryan> You're going to want someone more experienced to help with that =P
[01:09] <Grant> ugh
[01:09] <trakinas> K-Ryan: hahahah! dude! When i worked at a school, we had classes for young kids (4 years old) and we used to use it with them... one day someone was talking to me while there wasnt any class and i was playing with it (to learn how to deal with it)..i most spent 1 hour... and said "just a sec!" a dozen times.
[01:09] <Grant> I should have formatted it with linux first, not windows
[01:09] <K-Ryan> You can still get rid of the partition and make a new one
[01:09] <trakinas> Grant: if you pretend using it on both system, format it with Fat32.
[01:10] <K-Ryan> trakinas: The stamps are amusing me
[01:10] <Grant> trakinas: it is FAT32
[01:10] <trakinas> K-Ryan: yes!! I made a comic with them! ut i completly forgot to send it to me. on the other day i made a visit to this school and there wasnt any files of mine there anymore. =(
[01:10] <trakinas> Grant: bizarre...
[01:11] <Grant> yep :P
[01:11] <K-Ryan> Alright well I've got dinner
[01:11] <K-Ryan> Be back later
[01:11] <trakinas> Grant: my mate had problems on *windows* with a fat32 partition. he lost a lot of files cause xp was saying it wasnt well formated (but it was...).
[01:11] <trakinas> me too.
[01:11] <trakinas> hehe
[01:11] <trakinas> brb
[01:12] <Grant> trakinas: well windows says it's formatted fine
[01:12] <Trixsey> I installed Ubuntu, and migrated from Gnome to KDE... Am I using Kubuntu right now or is it still Ubuntu? ^^
[01:12] <Grant> linux says otherwise though
[01:16] <Riddell> Trixsey: it depends on how you define Kubuntu.  it's not terribly important either way
[01:19] <Soul> hi is anybody there plz ?
[01:19] <dr_willis> Soul: Hmm>?
[01:20] <Soul> hi dr_willis
[01:20] <Soul> you speak english ore german =
[01:20] <Soul> ?
[01:20] <dr_willis> !de
[01:20] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[01:20] <icf7> Soul: This is the English channel, just ask a question. (Der deutsche Kanal ist #kubuntu-de)
[01:22] <Soul> thx
[01:31] <Minataku> dr_willis: Could you tell me exactly what model Mac that is? I wanna look up the data. :3
[01:33] <dr_willis> Minataku:  Hmm.. macse  i think. let me go look.
[01:34] <dr_willis> Macintosh SE model 5010 - 1 mb ram - it says on theback
[01:37] <dr_willis> cant pastwe the url i found on it
[01:38] <dr_willis> lowendmac.com/compact/se.shtml
[01:38] <dr_willis> there we go
[01:39] <BigMac> Anyway to show off those markers that show tabs in kate?
[01:41] <manolo> ciao a tutti!!!
[01:41] <Minataku> dr_willis: Coo, thanks
[01:41] <Minataku> (Sorry, was racing again X3 )
[01:41] <Narada> i'm getting this: ./RealPlayer10GOLD.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory; any idea?
[01:41] <manolo> hi
[01:41] <Minataku> !it | manolo
[01:41] <ubotu> manolo: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[01:41] <Minataku> :3
[01:41] <manolo> grazie mille
[01:43] <Minataku> manolo: You're very welcome. :)
[01:43] <Minataku> dr_willis: Eh... scrap the SE, just send me the external HDD. :3
[01:43] <Minataku> Save me some shipping cost by leaving out a rather unusable Mac
[01:44] <Minataku> My Mac Classic is far more capable than the SE with 4x the RAM
[01:44] <Minataku> I'll probably argue with myself over leaving it, though
[01:44] <Minataku> Well, dr_willis, can you verify if that has 1.44MB drives? Was it made in or after 1989?
[01:45] <Minataku> No, nvm
[01:45] <Minataku> It's got 800KB ones
[01:46] <dr_willis> 800k
[01:46] <dr_willis> se just looks cool.
[01:46] <dr_willis> :)
[01:46] <Minataku> Heehee
[01:46] <Minataku> Well, keep it for now
[01:47] <Minataku> I'll continue thinking up to the last minute XD
[01:47] <dr_willis> Additionally the SE had a special PDS slot that allowed for expansion cards, such as accelerators, to be installed.
[01:47] <Minataku> Yeah
[01:47] <Minataku> Good luck ever finding one, of course
[01:48] <dr_willis> http://myoldmac.net/webse-e-flash.htm
[01:48] <dr_willis> macse emulator in flash! :)
[01:49] <Minataku> dr_willis: Haha
[01:50] <Narada> how do you get real player support in firefox in ubuntu
[01:51] <BigMac> Hey, anyone here know how to get rid of the tab markers in KATE?
[01:55] <hydh> http://85.214.20.228:8000/listen.pls
[01:57] <dr_willis> Minataku:  ya need to make a MacSE theme for KDE. :)
[01:58] <jordo23_> If I have a file that won't empty from my trash, how do I delete this from a command line? Does the trash map to a specific directory?
[01:59] <dr_willis> .Trash
[01:59] <dr_willis> i think
[01:59] <Toyd> freenode staffers trying to limit our freedom come to  #macosx-gay  and support us please
[01:59] <K-Ryan> o.O
[02:01] <Dragnslcr> Huh?
[02:02] <Minataku> dr_willis: Heehee
[02:02] <Minataku> Toyd: Go troll someplace else
[02:02] <Toyd> lol
[02:03] <Dragnslcr> Come now, he might not be a troll
[02:03] <Dragnslcr> He might just be on crack
[02:04] <Minataku> Eh, trolling is trolling no matter why it's being done
[02:04] <K-Ryan> Don't bother going there, what was going on is over.
[02:04] <K-Ryan> I checked =P
[02:04] <Minataku> Be it drug-induced, lost a bet or just an ass
[02:04] <K-Ryan> !troll
[02:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about troll - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:04] <K-Ryan> !trolling
[02:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about trolling - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:05] <K-Ryan> Wow
[02:05] <Minataku> !gotohell
[02:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gotohell - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:05] <Minataku> Aw
[02:05] <Minataku> X3
[02:05] <K-Ryan> !tuxpaint
[02:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tuxpaint - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:05] <K-Ryan> I could of sworn ubotu had entries for all the packages or something.
[02:05] <Dragnslcr> !info tuxpaint
[02:06] <ubotu> tuxpaint: A paint program for young children. In component main, is optional. Version 1:0.9.16-1ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 135 kB, installed size 368 kB
[02:06] <K-Ryan> Ah
[02:06] <K-Ryan> Changed it a little I see =)
[02:06] <Dragnslcr> Heh
[02:06] <Dragnslcr> I dunno, I haven't been here all that long
[02:07] <K-Ryan> I have =P
[02:07] <Dragnslcr> I'm still a poor little newbie
[02:08] <K-Ryan> It's okay, we all were at one time or another
[02:09] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, but it's harder when you've been using Linux for servers for 7 years
[02:09] <K-Ryan> Hmm?
[02:15] <trakinas> hey guys... I have my gentoo on my other partition and i really didnt understand how to add it on grub
[02:15] <K-Ryan> !gentoo
[02:15] <ubotu> Other !Linux distributions besides !Ubuntu include: Debian, Mepis (using !APT); RedHat, Fedora, SUSE, Mandriva (using !RPM); Gentoo, Slackware (using other packaging systems)
[02:16] <K-Ryan> !GRUB
[02:16] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[02:16] <K-Ryan> Try the second link
[02:16] <trakinas> i already read those
[02:16] <dr_willis> edit the menu.lst and put inthe proper 'stanza'
[02:16] <K-Ryan> Oh
[02:16] <K-Ryan> Google =P
[02:16] <K-Ryan> Until you get an answer in here anyway
[02:17] <trakinas> hehe! okay
[02:18] <Minataku> Auto racing protip: Do not attempt to pass someone by going through their vehicle
[02:18] <Minataku> Through some lapse in proper thinking, I draft to go for a pass, next thing I know I've clobbered the rear end of the poor sod in front of me
[02:18] <dr_willis> isent that bumpdrafting
[02:18] <K-Ryan> Heheh, gaming
[02:18] <Minataku> dr_willis: Not when you smash the hell out of both cars
[02:19] <Minataku> XD
[02:19] <dr_willis> thats called "enterainment'
[02:19] <dr_willis> Entertainment
[02:19] <Minataku> I got hit with CR7500 in repairs XD
[02:19] <dr_willis> "A normal day of the wifes driving"
[02:19] <Minataku> Haha
[02:19] <strabes> is there a way to make firefox integrate better with KDE? Mainly file dialogs, etc
[02:19] <isthisnickvalid_> Anyone here with experience about LT martian driver?
[02:23] <trakinas> http://www.flickr.com/photos/violetah/160419788/
[02:24] <RawSewage> strabes, whats wrong with them
[02:24] <MinceR> that bag is hideous
[02:24] <trakinas> oooooooooops
[02:24] <trakinas> wrong window
[02:24] <dr_willis> :)
[02:24] <dr_willis> sure it was.............
[02:24] <trakinas> MinceR: hahah
[02:24] <trakinas> it is a gift to a female friend of mine
[02:24] <MinceR> :)
[02:25] <trakinas> i have to pay more attention in which window the mouse is focoused...
[02:26] <K-Ryan> trakinas: Shopping for new stuff eh? =)
[02:26] <K-Ryan> What's your old one look like =P
[02:27] <isthisnickvalid_> How can I make my modem driver start in an automatic way and then make a permanent link to /dev/modem ?
[02:27] <trakinas> K-Ryan: it was pantern pattern... ;] 
[02:27] <trakinas> jk
[02:27] <K-Ryan> =P
[02:28] <trakinas> is a gift for a friend. she like polkadot things.
[02:28] <K-Ryan> Yeah...
[02:28] <K-Ryan> I was playing around with Tux Paint some more
[02:28] <K-Ryan> I like the "magic" stuff
[02:28] <trakinas> K-Ryan: hahahahaah!
[02:28] <K-Ryan> I did some crude anti-aliasing
[02:28] <jontec>  k3b doesn't appear to take into account the fact that only 2 hours of playback are available for my video DVD. It only sees that its capacity is 4.3GB and sees my video filesizes (not length)
[02:28] <K-Ryan> block+blur
[02:29] <trakinas> K-Ryan: yep! you can make cool stuffs with TuxPaint
[02:29] <trakinas> I suggest a TuxPaint contest.
[02:29] <RawSewage> how would I unrar 100 rars in a folder, each to their own folder
[02:29] <RawSewage> with command line
[02:29] <trakinas> an Official #kubuntu tuxpaint contexst
[02:30] <trakinas> *contest
[02:30] <trakinas> RawSewage: you can use shell script;
[02:30] <trakinas> or "unrar d *.rar"
[02:30] <RawSewage> oh
[02:30] <RawSewage> I'll try that. ty
[02:30] <trakinas> if this is the line for unrar in its folder.
[02:30] <trakinas> np! :] 
[02:31] <RawSewage> there is no d command
[02:32] <trakinas> RawSewage: unrar --help
[02:32] <RawSewage> trakinas, I'd already tried it if d meant directory name
[02:32] <trakinas> RawSewage: try x.
[02:33] <RawSewage> trakinas, ok, but youre probably right.  I'll need to do shell scripting, which I have no clue how to do
[02:33] <K-Ryan> shell scripting would just make the command into something you open
[02:34] <K-Ryan> you would still type the command to unrar each individual folder
[02:34] <K-Ryan> except it would be one action
[02:34] <trakinas> RawSewage: try unrar x *.rar
[02:34] <RawSewage> ok
[02:34] <RawSewage> no
[02:34] <trakinas> RawSewage: really?
[02:34] <trakinas> let me test here
[02:35] <RawSewage> the command to extra a rar to a directory is  unrar e -ad name.rar
[02:35] <RawSewage> trakinas, I'll try again
[02:35] <RawSewage> no
[02:35] <azzco> Hi does anyone know the program kalgebra, or how to get help with it?
[02:36] <trakinas> i have only 1 rar here.. heheheh
[02:36] <RawSewage> oh well
[02:36] <RawSewage> I thought there would be an easy command I didnt know about
[02:36] <RawSewage> I guess not
[02:36] <trakinas> RawSewage: i really never needed to unrar more then 1 file per time.
[02:37] <RawSewage> ok
[02:37] <trakinas> unrar x *.rar should work, on my concept
[02:37] <dr_willis> some of the arvhiver tools take wildcards internally for example
[02:37] <dr_willis> unzip "*.zip" will work.. but unzip *.zip wont
[02:37] <K-Ryan> Hey if I were to take a Kubuntu LiveCD to my school
[02:37] <home_> can n e 1 tell me how to install a java runtime download
[02:37] <dr_willis> or was it single quotes.
[02:37] <dr_willis> !java
[02:37] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[02:37] <K-Ryan> And pop it in one of their computers, would I have trouble downloading from the repos?
[02:37] <azzco> K-Ryan: Don't think so
[02:38] <K-Ryan> With all the proxy nonsense
[02:38] <dr_willis> home_:  use the package manager to isntall it. sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre
[02:38] <K-Ryan> "This site is blocked, that site is blocked"
[02:38] <K-Ryan> We're talking highschool, not a college campus
[02:38] <Dragnslcr> I think the DVD has a lot of the repository files
[02:39] <K-Ryan> CD, not DVD
[02:39] <RawSewage> trakinas, I found this:   for x in *.rar; do mkdir "${x%.rar}" && cd "${x%.rar}" && unrar x "../$x" && cd ..; done     I'll see if that works
[02:39] <trakinas> home_: install via apt-get
[02:40] <dr_willis> dvd has a lot of deb's thats not installed by default also I think
[02:40] <K-Ryan> It's the CD though...
[02:40] <obiwan_> well done
[02:40] <RawSewage> trakinas, ok that worked
[02:41] <trakinas> K-Ryan: well... some people on my college put they computer running a proxy server and connects on it through foxproxy.
[02:41] <trakinas> RawSewage: :] ] 
[02:41] <K-Ryan> My school has the get-around-your-proxy sites blocked
[02:42] <trakinas> K-Ryan: you mean... "no way you can use foxproxy, smart boy!"
[02:42] <LjL> azzco: i've used it once or twice, what's the problem with it?
[02:42] <trakinas> my college has every proxy possible blocked. in fact, anything called proxy.
[02:43] <K-Ryan> What?
[02:43] <trakinas> i have to ask a friend to download foxproxy to me and send it to my email, so i could install it.
[02:43] <trakinas> ok. it didnt work..
[02:43] <trakinas> K-Ryan: what what?
[02:43] <K-Ryan> Never mind
[02:43] <azzco> LjL: I'm trying to us a Sin^(-1) function
[02:43] <K-Ryan> To change a decimal to an angle?
[02:43] <dr_willis> Time for TheOnionRouter. :)
[02:44] <K-Ryan> I'd help you out but my Ti-84 isn't handy
[02:44] <azzco> K-Ryan: Yeah
[02:44] <LjL> azzco: you mean arcsin?
[02:44] <K-Ryan> LjL: It's not taught that way anymore
[02:44] <K-Ryan> Since there's a calculator function for it
[02:44] <azzco> OH... guess so.
[02:44] <K-Ryan> I'm pretty sure that's what arcsin is
[02:45] <dr_willis> !arcsine
[02:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about arcsine - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:45] <azzco> Okay I'll try and see if it matches my TI-83
[02:45] <K-Ryan> I never learned that
[02:45] <LjL> K-Ryan: uhm, actually i personally think sin^-1 is a terrible notation, since sin^(exponent) is also used for actual exponents. anyway, kalgebra uses it.
[02:45] <LjL> azzco: anyway, the function is arcsin(n)
[02:45] <K-Ryan> Yeah I know what you mean
[02:45] <dr_willis> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctangent
[02:45] <azzco> Thanks :)
[02:45] <K-Ryan> But with the "scientifc calculator required" it's just known that way
[02:46] <LjL> azzco: while you're at it, give the package qalculate-kde a try.
[02:46] <trakinas> anyone? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/118276
[02:47] <LjL> K-Ryan: depends on place school etc. here i can't use any sort of calculator at my maths exam, for starters. besides, when you read out the function name, what would you call it? sin-minus-one?
[02:47] <K-Ryan> Well because you need to press the 2nd button then sin button
[02:47] <azzco> Lol We say "second sin"
[02:47] <K-Ryan> It's called "2nd-sin"
[02:47] <K-Ryan> Yeah
[02:47] <LjL> scary
[02:47] <azzco> hehe
[02:48] <azzco> Well arcsin definitly helped a bit I think that I made a typo but it looks quite like the graph on my calc :)
[02:49] <trakinas> I was never able to use cientific calculators or any tool able to calculate trigonometric functions in ay sort of test.
[02:49] <K-Ryan> You were given the chart?
[02:49] <dr_willis> LjL:  that wiki page discusses that ^-1 causes confuseion.
[02:49] <RawSewage> how do I make a shell command that renames 800 folders to the name found on the first line of info.txt, which is in each folder
[02:49] <trakinas> K-Ryan: yep. but only for the more akward ones.
[02:49] <dr_willis> RawSewage:  i think a perl script may be the route to go.
[02:50] <RawSewage> can php do it
[02:50] <dr_willis> php probelry can
[02:50] <RawSewage> ok ty
[02:50] <dr_willis> asn could perl, rexx, python
[02:50] <RawSewage> damn
[02:50] <RawSewage> I only know php
[02:50] <RawSewage> do I have PERL already
[02:50] <dr_willis> never used php. Iimagine any of the scripting languages can do it fairly easially however.
[02:50] <RawSewage> and PYTHON
[02:51] <RawSewage> ok
[02:51] <RawSewage> I'll check php.net
[02:51] <dr_willis> I am old-skool - i tend to write scripts that generate scripts. :)
[02:51] <trakinas> i would go for python... =P
[02:51] <dr_willis> since ages ago we dident have the power today
[02:51] <trakinas> dr_willis: plz, dont tell me you are one of those folks who KNOWS assemble!
[02:51] <LjL> RawSewage: for folder in *; if [ -d "$folder" ] ; then mv "$folder" $(tail -1 "${folder}/info.txt"); fi; done
[02:52] <RawSewage> LjL, oh thx
[02:52] <LjL> try it on a test dir first.
[02:52] <RawSewage> ok
[02:53] <RawSewage> syntax error near unexpected token `if'
[02:53] <LjL> RawSewage: for folder in *; do if [ -d "$folder" ] ; then mv "$folder" $(tail -1 "${folder}/info.txt"); fi; done
[02:53] <LjL> oh also
[02:53] <LjL> you said *first* line of info.txt. that takes the last line.
[02:53] <LjL> RawSewage: for folder in *; do if [ -d "$folder" ] ; then mv "$folder" $(head -1 "${folder}/info.txt"); fi; done
[02:53] <RawSewage> ok
[02:54] <yatin> hello i have a question about knetworkmanager
[02:54] <yatin> when i startup, knetwork manager starts up, but it does not automatically connect to my wired connection
[02:54] <yatin> i'm not sure how to make it automatically connect
[02:54] <Minataku> ASM is easy
[02:54] <Minataku> I know it for PIC16
[02:54] <trakinas> yatin: adsl? router?
[02:55] <Minataku> And once you know ASM for one core, you know it for them all
[02:55] <yatin> trakinas: i ahve a wireless router and a cable modem but my computer is connected by a wired connection
[02:55] <trakinas> i know only a few things of python and php... a FEW.
[02:55] <RawSewage> LjL, mv: target `Saga\r' is not a directory    getting closer though.  it didnt make any directors, and it's cutting off names that have spaces
[02:56] <trakinas> yatin: hmmm... if it was dsl, i could help, but never used cable modem. so, i cant help you. :/
[02:56] <yatin> trakinas: what did you do for your dsl router
[02:56] <LjL> RawSewage: for folder in *; do if [ -d "$folder" ] ; then mv "$folder" "$(head -1 "${folder}/info.txt")"; fi; done
[02:56] <yatin> trakinas: i thik this is a knetworkmanager issue b/c my computer autoconnected just fine when i was in kubuntu 6.10
[02:56] <trakinas> yatin: just configured the correct broadcast, ip and gateway for my pc. nothing else.
[02:56] <RawSewage> LjL, cool . that worked.  thanks \
[02:57] <trakinas> yatin: can you remember how it was configured?
[02:57] <ahmed>  guys,, is there is a way to be able to have a video background in ubunty ?
[02:57] <Kr4t05> Is there any good CD backup tool besides K3b?
[02:57] <yatin> trakinas: oh i think my problem is a little different, i can connect, but it doesn't autoconnect on startup.
[02:57] <Kr4t05> One that makes ISO images relatively well?
[02:57] <yatin> trakinas: as in i can click on the knetworkmanager icon and choose "wired network"
[02:57] <trakinas> Kr4t05: mkisofs
[02:57] <yatin> trakinas: and it'll connect just fine
[02:57] <ahmed>  guys,, is there is a way to be able to have a video background in ubuntU ?
[02:58] <yatin> trakinas: i want it to do that automatically
[02:58] <yatin> trakinas: were you having the same problem?
[02:58] <trakinas> yatin: nops!
[02:58] <Kr4t05> trakinas: Is that gnome or KDE?
[02:58] <trakinas> Kr4t05: command line! :x
[02:58] <Kr4t05> Eh...
[02:58] <trakinas> yatin: maybe you just have to add it to your boot time.
[02:59] <just-this-time> !mythtv
[02:59] <ubotu> MythTV is a TV framework for Linux - Instructions for using with Ubuntu at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[02:59] <trakinas> Kr4t05: it is really easy to use it anyway.
[02:59] <yatin> trakinas: any ideas how to do that?
[02:59] <trakinas> !mkisofs
[02:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mkisofs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:59] <trakinas> !iso
[02:59] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type  sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint>  - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[02:59] <trakinas> yatin: I know on gentoo... let me think about kubuntu.
[03:00] <trakinas> Kr4t05: http://www.linuxcommand.org/man_pages/mkisofs8.html
[03:01] <Minataku> A commandline on one distro is the same as another
[03:01] <Minataku> Unless the two tools are insanely different
[03:01] <Minataku> Which they usually aren't
[03:01] <Minataku> In the case of mkisofs, what works on Gentoo will also work fine on Kubuntu
[03:02] <trakinas> Minataku: i was talking about adding network to the boot..
[03:02] <Minataku> Oh
[03:02] <Minataku> Sorry >.<
[03:02] <trakinas> Minataku: np! :P
[03:04] <ahmed> guys how to have video || animated background in ubuntu .... also how to have a panel on the desktop like this one of mac osx ??
[03:04] <trakinas> yatin: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=193930
[03:04] <trakinas> it maybe helps you
[03:05] <trakinas> ahmed: for the painel, if you arent using beryl, you can try adesklet.
[03:05] <trakinas> you install it and them the correspondent desklet for the painel.
[03:05] <ahmed> i use beryl but it has no panel thingie
[03:06] <trakinas> ahmed: never used it.
[03:06] <trakinas> ahmed: http://adesklets.sourceforge.net/ here you can get the desklets. adesklet can be installed through apt-get or your favorite package manager.
[03:13] <khaije1> !kde4
[03:13] <ubotu> For information on KDE 4 (not to be released for quite some time yet), see: http://www.canllaith.org/svn-features/kde4.html. Also worth checking are: appeal/phonon/plasma/solid.kde.org
[03:14] <linija2> NEED HELP: Installed kde-base. CDrom/USB mounts fine but no icon or "safely remove / eject" options. Which package is missing?
[03:14] <trakinas> !desklets
[03:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about desklets - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:14] <trakinas> !desklet
[03:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about desklet - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:14] <trakinas> !screenlets
[03:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about screenlets - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:15] <K-Ryan> Hey, I keep forgetting, what's the difference between kdesu and sudo?
[03:15] <trakinas> linija2: you mean, when you left click there's no "umount" option?
[03:15] <trakinas> K-Ryan: kdesu is udes for UI apps.
[03:15] <linija2> right
[03:15] <trakinas> *GUI
[03:16] <linija2> or in konqueror... no "eject" option
[03:16] <trakinas> linija2: strange... oO
[03:16] <trakinas> you know you still can umount in the cmd line, dont you?
[03:17] <linija2> yes... but I installed just base system...
[03:17] <linija2> trying to keep small and install only what I need
[03:18] <trakinas> linija2: smart boy!
[03:18] <trakinas> but if it auto-mount, it should auto-umount.
[03:18] <linija2> Iknow "umount"... can I "eject" in command line
[03:18] <trakinas> linija2: sure! "eject device"
[03:18] <linija2> let me try
[03:19] <linija2> it says "unable to open /dev/hdc
[03:20] <linija2> YESSSSSSSSSSS.... TRAKINAS IS DA MAN
[03:20] <K-Ryan> trakinas: sudo = terminal stuff?
[03:20] <linija2> thnk u trakinas
[03:21] <trakinas> K-Ryan: text based actions
[03:21] <K-Ryan> Yeah that's what I thought
[03:21] <Dragnslcr> Anyone know how to setup a printer so that a VMWare guest can access it as a network printer?
[03:21] <K-Ryan> The other day someone told me they sudo opened an app though
[03:21] <K-Ryan> No matter
[03:22] <trakinas> K-Ryan: is juts not recommended...
[03:22] <K-Ryan> Oh
[03:22] <K-Ryan> That makes sense =)
[03:22] <RawSewage> there is a difference, but I forgot what it was
[03:22] <RawSewage> oh yeah
[03:22] <RawSewage> with kdesu, you dont get that error message
[03:23] <phishinphree> how would one go about turning off mDNS in kubuntu?  Its causing ~5 second network delays on my machine
[03:23] <RawSewage> are you on Feisty
[03:23] <phishinphree> 7.0<whatever>
[03:24] <RawSewage> thats Feisty
[03:24] <phishinphree> the names get to me with a new one twice a year and all
[03:24] <Grant> how do I completely erase and reformat/partition a hard drive on linux? everytime I try the file system doesn't change
[03:25] <phishinphree> but yeah, im on feisty
[03:25] <RawSewage> I dont know
[03:25] <phishinphree> !mdns
[03:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mdns - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:25] <trakinas> !fdisk
[03:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fdisk - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:25] <phishinphree> worth a shot
[03:25] <Minataku> Grant: sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=<device> bs=512
[03:25] <Minataku> WARNING
[03:25] <RawSewage> I thought you meant web pages take 5 seconds to load
[03:25] <RawSewage> that sounded like IPV6
[03:25] <Minataku> That WILL destroy ALL DATA on the device
[03:26] <RawSewage> but thats not what youre talking about
[03:26] <phishinphree> already disabled ipv6
[03:26] <Grant> yea I know
[03:26] <Minataku> Grant: Just a disclaimer
[03:26] <Grant> kk
[03:26] <phishinphree> its only incomming connections.  i've got a nice packet dump showing the problem
[03:26] <Minataku> Let it run and it should finish with an error "No space left on device"
[03:26] <trakinas> oh boy... kubuntu hates my dvd device. =(
[03:26] <Minataku> That's normal and what should happen
[03:26] <Minataku> It means dd hit the end of the drive and it's completely erased (insecure erase method "zerofill")
[03:27] <Grant> so <device> would be /dev/sda1 in my case
[03:27] <Grant> right?
[03:27] <Minataku> That would erase only the first partition
[03:27] <Grant> oh
[03:27] <Grant> ugh
[03:27] <Minataku> Do you want to erase just one partition or the entire drive?
[03:27] <Grant> whole thing
[03:27] <Minataku> For the entire drive, use /dev/sda
[03:27] <RawSewage> phishinphree, theres no need to disable IPV6 in Feisty, btw
[03:27] <Grant> ok
[03:27] <RawSewage> phishinphree, not with a fresh install
[03:27] <phishinphree> when i connect to apache, my server does a reverse mDNS lookup for the ip address I connect from.  it tries 3 times, gets no response then serves up the page.. 5 seconds after it wasted time
[03:27] <dr_willis> dont make a typo :)
[03:27] <Minataku> Yeah, be careful
[03:28] <phishinphree> RawSewage: its good, im not needing it anyway.  it was worth a try but i've narrowed the problem down from there
[03:28] <trakinas> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/118276
[03:29] <phishinphree> its amazing how quickly you can find things out when you start grabbing packets
[03:29] <Grant> then can I use cfdisk to repartition and format the drive?
[03:29] <RawSewage> phishinphree, maybe some info here:  http://ubuntuforums.org/search.php?searchid=21428323
[03:29] <rkitecsure> does the Fiesty installer install GRUB to the partition mounted as /boot when you do manual partitioning?
[03:30] <BluesKaj> RawSewage, i disabled ipv6 and pages render a lot faster now
[03:30] <trakinas> rkitecsure: guess so.
[03:30] <dr_willis> Grant:  you proberly could of done that befor the dd/zeroing. unles the drive was really messed up
[03:30] <RawSewage> BluesKaj, in Feisty?
[03:30] <Grant> dr_willis: it was messed up to linux, although windows read it fine
[03:30] <RawSewage> BluesKaj, I had to disable IPV6 in all versions except Feisty
[03:30] <dr_willis> Grant:  odd..
[03:31] <just-this-time> on mythTV what is "lirc-supported remote control to use with this frontend."
[03:31] <Grant> wow this is going to take a while...
[03:31] <BluesKaj> yes RawSewage , feisty
[03:31] <rkitecsure> I'm getting a GRUB hard disk error when trying to dual boot from windows bootloader.
[03:31] <dr_willis> just-this-time:  i got a Hauppage PVTr150 with a remote
[03:31] <Grant> 320GB
[03:31] <trakinas> OUCH
[03:31] <trakinas> i have only 80
[03:31] <trakinas> #(
[03:32] <Grant> I have another 200GB
[03:32] <dr_willis> I just added a 500gbHD on my fileserver
[03:32] <Grant> and another 80
[03:32] <Grant> and another 40...
[03:32] <Grant> do they sell terabyte drives yet?
[03:33] <dr_willis> Grant:  not seen any in stores yet
[03:33] <Grant> ahh
[03:33] <dr_willis> 750's are in stores now
[03:33] <Grant> yea I saw those
[03:33] <dr_willis> but the 500gb's are getting in the $100 range
[03:33] <Grant> not that I need one...
[03:33] <dr_willis> hard to beat that price/gb ratio
[03:33] <Grant> yea
[03:33] <dr_willis> 750's were like 2x the price/ratio
[03:34] <K-Ryan> 2x the 500gb price?
[03:34] <dr_willis> they were over 2x the price.
[03:34] <dr_willis> like $283 or somting
[03:34] <K-Ryan> Get two of the 500gbs then. More space for less $$$
[03:34] <dr_willis> so the $/gb was much higher.
[03:34] <trakinas> i need just more 80 for now... Im not a bittorrent sicko, nor have a file server... so one more 80 gb drive and i could install more distros and windows (since i will need it next semester.. flash and delph... #| )
[03:34] <dr_willis> the 500;s were on sale this weekend :) i spent $$ on othe rthings also.
[03:35] <dr_willis> 500 will double my total storage i got onsite for now. :)
[03:35] <dr_willis> well - almost. :P
[03:35] <just-this-time> wow exactly
[03:35] <K-Ryan> My friend has more than two terrabytes worth of space in his house
[03:35] <xeon> hi there. does anyone knows if ati radeon x550 supports beryl?
[03:35] <just-this-time> wonderful also hauppauge PVR 150
[03:36] <dr_willis> i had 1.25tb. now i got antoehr 500gb./
[03:36] <dr_willis> but i am out of controler cards/spaces to put the smaller hd's :)
[03:36] <just-this-time> dr_willis how much time have the TV card?
[03:36] <dr_willis> like i need a 50gb hd any more
[03:36] <trakinas> xeon: probably, if you can get a driver.
[03:36] <dr_willis> just-this-time:  Huh?
[03:36] <K-Ryan> xeon: Ati cards don't work 100% with linux but you should be able to run it.
[03:36] <just-this-time> huhh?
[03:36] <K-Ryan> How well, I'm not sure, sorry
[03:36] <trakinas> i desperatly need a job... i need a gf card, a matrox card and a new hd.
[03:37] <Grant> I need a new CPU
[03:37] <xeon> trakinas, K-Ryan: i installed the drivers and every time i did it broke my X server
[03:37] <Grant> I'm usually loyal to AMD, but it seems Intel is in the lead at the moment
[03:37] <K-Ryan> Oh, then there's your answer =P
[03:37] <trakinas> :/
[03:38] <dr_willis> Amd Nipping at the Heels of Intel  - is good for us. :)
[03:38] <trakinas> xeon: tried the open modules?
[03:38] <dr_willis> and visa versa
[03:38] <Grant> yea
[03:38] <xeon> trakinas: where can i find them?
[03:38] <trakinas> xeon: i dont know... one sec
[03:43] <xeon> trakinas: thanks
[03:44] <rkitecsure> anyone know what a proper .bin file looks like when trying to dual boot?
[03:44] <BluesKaj> ZEDNet claims Intel is a yr ahead of AMD in CPU development
[03:44] <dr_willis> bin file and dual booting? Hmm..
[03:45] <rkitecsure> yeah.. doing dd if= of= bs count
[03:45] <rkitecsure> just not sure if it's actually getting the correct information into the .bin file
[03:45] <dr_willis> rkitecsure:  you mean the format of the Output file you are dding to?
[03:45] <doctorow> Hey there! I'm trying to uninstall or otherwise nuke Slow Keys. When I hold down the Shift Key for too long, it invokes a buggy dialog asking me if I want to turn on Slow Keys. The dialog is hidden behind a couple windows, not visible in the alt-tab list, and has to be manually located and closed before the keyboard comes back.
[03:46] <phishinphree> Thanks for the help guys.  Found out if you enable the WINS server in samba, you end up doing a reverse mDNS lookup for every client that connects to your machine.  since my provider doesn't support multicast, it takes 6 seconds to time out.
[03:46] <doctorow> I understand that the Slow Keys dialog is a known bug, but I don't need Slow Keys at all so I'm wondering if I can just uninstall whatever package it comes in
[03:46] <rkitecsure> dr_willis: no, just that the file is containing all the information needed to get loaded into linux from bootloader
[03:46] <trakinas> doctorow: there's an option in kde configuration. just cant recall where.
[03:46] <dr_willis> rkitecsure:  you mean the MBR?
[03:47] <doctorow> Trankinas, if that's the option to disable slow keys, it's not the solution. That just turns off slow keys, but if you hold down the shift key for 8s, it *still* invokes the broken dialog asking if you want Slow Keys turned on
[03:48] <trakinas> here ir just beep.
[03:48] <doctorow> Trankinas, I habitually hold down the shift key when I'm thinking of how to start a sentence, with my fingers over the keyboard, then start typing
[03:48] <rkitecsure> dr_willis: not sure really.  I think the MBR is ok since it will boot into XP fine.  I'm just trying to get bootloader to allow me to boot into the linux install.
[03:48] <K-Ryan> I think I disabled it or something because that dialog isn't popping up when I hold/repetedly tap shift
[03:49] <trakinas> doctorow: me too... heehehehe
[03:49] <dr_willis> rkitecsure:  grub is the program./tool that puts the boot menu on the MBR.  if  you are not seeing the grub menu, you normally use grub-install to reinstall it. If the menu is wrong. you edit grubs menu.lst
[03:49] <doctorow> K-Ryan, How?
[03:49] <K-Ryan> doctorow: Not sure, but I figured I'd let you know that it can either be turned off or uninstalled because I did one of them =P
[03:50] <rkitecsure> dr_willis: I purposely am not installing GRUB on the MBR so I can use windows bootloader as my boot menu
[03:50] <trakinas> dr_willis: 20secs and nothing. :P
[03:51] <BluesKaj> rkitecsure, check your  /boot/grub/menu.lst and edit by commenting (#) the hiddemenu line
[03:52] <dr_willis> rkitecsure:  hmm...  from my experience windows boot loader is well trash :)
[03:52] <BluesKaj> then your menu will show up at boot
[03:52] <dr_willis> grub is a much more flexaible tool and easier to work with.
[03:53] <rkitecsure> I tried using grub.  I ended up having to wipe my xp drive because it wouldn't install right with the fiesty installer.
[03:53] <dr_willis> you normally install windows first, then linux.
[03:54] <trakinas> windows is defenetly "i dont play with no one else! x( "
[03:54] <dr_willis> installing windows afterwards normally whipes out grub.
[03:54] <trakinas> defenetely. did i spelled it okay?
[03:54] <dr_willis> of course i find it best to keep wndows and linux each on their own hard drives
[03:54] <trakinas> definetely...
[03:54] <Grant> *definately
[03:54] <Rictoo> cat /kernel > /dev/audio
[03:54] <Rictoo> What would that do?
[03:54] <Grant> eh
[03:54] <trakinas> definitely
[03:54] <Grant> heh
[03:54] <rkitecsure> linux has it's own hdd.  It's on an external drive
[03:54] <Grant> w/e
[03:54] <trakinas> http://www.d-e-f-i-n-i-t-e-l-y.com/
[03:54] <rkitecsure> xp is on the internal drive
[03:55] <rkitecsure> I have a 100mb partition on the internal drive for the kernels
[03:55] <Rictoo> cat /kernel > /dev/audio
[03:55] <Rictoo> What would that do? :\
[03:55] <trakinas> cat shows a content of a file
[03:55] <Rictoo> I know that
[03:55] <Rictoo> but putting it throught he speakers
[03:55] <Rictoo> what would it sound like>
[03:55] <Rictoo> try it :D
[03:55] <BluesKaj> yes installing windows wipes the grub menu , but after reinstalling grub , the menu is hidden  by default for some strange reason
[03:55] <trakinas> hahaaha
[03:55] <trakinas> Rictoo: i wont
[03:55] <Rictoo> lool
[03:56] <Rictoo> 205550 <     Evil_> :(){ :|:& };:
[03:56] <Rictoo> What would that do?
[03:57] <dr_willis> BluesKaj:  i wonder if its hidden by default normally on the fist install?
[03:57] <Grant> ugh, wiping a HD takes so long...
[03:57] <trakinas> dr_willis: mine was
[03:57] <Grant> *an
[03:57] <dr_willis> i always edit the menu.lst on the first boot and change things anyway
[03:57] <trakinas> Grant: i really confused too with a and an...
[03:58] <BluesKaj> dr_willis, good question
[03:58] <Grant> heh
[03:58] <trakinas> I think Im leaving now.
[03:59] <trakinas> cheers all
[03:59] <Grant> bye
[04:07] <gwolf> #list
[04:20] <greg_g> why, if I have kdm as my DM, when I switch to another user it loads gnome??
[04:21] <dr_willis> use the login manager to select another session for that user
[04:22] <greg_g> ahhh
[04:26] <jordo23_> How do you install Gnome under Kubuntu without installing the metapackages that will turn your system into Ubuntu?
[04:28] <dr_willis> jordo23_:  they dont really turn your system into ubuntu.
[04:28] <dr_willis> theyjust change some default gfx and a few other things.
[04:28] <dr_willis> You could fire upthe package manager and start searching/clicking/installing
[04:28] <startswithz> how do I connect to the internet from terminal?
[04:29] <jordo23_> dr_willis: I have tried once before and it turned the boot screen into Ubuntu's and stuff.....
[04:29] <dr_willis> startswithz:  you want to clarify that question
[04:29] <startswithz> sure
[04:29] <dr_willis> jordo23_:  the boot screen is just a image file it sets to by default. thats not really doing much of anything.
[04:29] <dr_willis> !splash
[04:29] <ubotu> To change the Gnome splash screen, use !gnome-splashscreen-manager or change the GConf key /apps/gnome-session/options/splash_image using !gconf-editor.
[04:29] <dr_willis> !bootsplash
[04:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bootsplash - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:29] <startswithz> I cannot get internet access from the terminal (my X11 is broken
[04:29] <jordo23_> dr_willis: I know the underlying system is the same, but can I install Gnome without this happening??
[04:30] <dr_willis> startswithz:  you mean you cant start networking? cant ping? links or lynx are text based browsers
[04:30] <dr_willis> jordo23_:  easier to just change the splashscreen back. or disable it totally Like i do. I hate that silly eye csndy
[04:30] <startswithz> I mean apt-get, lynx all of them aren't connecting
[04:30] <startswithz> my other computers are all working fine
[04:30] <dr_willis> startswithz:  see if you can ping the other pc's
[04:31] <startswithz> connect: Network is unreachable
[04:32] <dr_willis> this is a wired network?
[04:32] <startswithz> yeah
[04:32] <dr_willis> what does ifconfig show about your ip#?
[04:32] <startswithz> 127.0.0.1
[04:33] <dr_willis> no eth0 eh?
[04:33] <pagan0ne> does anyone know how i could force a process to run on the 2nd processor in my dual processor setup, i am running a smp kernel
[04:33] <startswithz> which is wrong, my home netwrok is 172.*.*.*
[04:33] <dr_willis> 127.0.0.1 is localhost
[04:33] <startswithz> oh yeah
[04:33] <startswithz> ok, maybe you can help me with the bigger problem.  I fucked my xorg.conf file up
[04:34] <dr_willis> check for backups :)
[04:34] <startswithz> I did
[04:34] <klobster> any one bored enough to answer some GPL questions?
[04:34] <coreymon77> is anyone here good at mirc scripting?
[04:34] <dr_willis> heh.. bet ya do manul backups in the future dont ya. :)
[04:34] <klobster> ^^ version 3
[04:34] <dr_willis> mIRC?  hehheh..
[04:34] <startswithz> yeah
[04:34] <Minataku> coreymon77: Why would anyone here?
[04:35] <Minataku> :P
[04:35] <startswithz> and when I get this fixed I am definately going to put my home folder on a different partition
[04:35] <coreymon77> just wondering
[04:35] <coreymon77> because i had a script that i need help with
[04:35] <startswithz> but as I didn't do that just reinstalling is not an option
[04:35] <Minataku> coreymon77: Not trying to be mean, it's just kind of a goofy question around here
[04:35] <Minataku> :3
[04:35] <coreymon77> i know
[04:35] <coreymon77> but hey
[04:35] <coreymon77> im in the channel
[04:35] <coreymon77> might as well ask
[04:35] <dr_willis> mIRC scripting is such a mix-match-system :) its a insult to real scripting languages!
[04:35] <pagan0ne> startswithz: you could always burn your home folder to a cd and copy it back
[04:36] <coreymon77> that may be
[04:36] <coreymon77> but still
[04:36] <coreymon77> dr_willis: are you any good with it?
[04:36] <startswithz> the burner isn't working (not even for Knoppix).  I have obviously angered the penguin god
[04:36] <dr_willis> I wouldent touch mIRC if.. well.. ever :) not since i found xchat for windows.
[04:37] <pagan0ne> startswithz: got a spair hdd? lol
[04:37] <coreymon77> dr_willis: im not asking you to do that, imjust asking if you are any good at mirc scripting
[04:37] <dr_willis> coreymon77:  should of asked like 5 yrs ago. :)
[04:38] <startswithz> not big enough for my home folder
[04:38] <coreymon77> dr_willis: in other words, not anymore?
[04:39] <dr_willis> yeppers
[04:39] <startswithz> It's all a moot point.  I am dead in about 20 minutes when my girlfriend gets home and sees the computer broken
[04:39] <dr_willis> tell her it was a computer virus from her games
[04:39] <pagan0ne> startswithz: you hoased xorg.config ?
[04:40] <klobster> coreymon77: http://www.google.com/search?q=mirc+scripting
[04:40] <startswithz> pagan0ne: yeah pretty much
[04:40] <startswithz> is there a way to fix it?
[04:40] <pagan0ne> startswithz: how did you manage that?
[04:40] <Minataku> startswithz: Pull a Homestar and tape a drawing of a message box to the screen that says "Everything is fine, nothing is ruined"
[04:40] <dr_willis> dpkg-reconfigure whatver-that-thng-is-for-x
[04:40] <pagan0ne> startswithz: hehe im sure there is but im no expert, i could give some advice to help though
[04:41] <startswithz> dr_willis: do what with dpkg?
[04:41] <pagan0ne> startswithz: i think he means sompthing like dpkg-reconfigure xorg
[04:41] <pagan0ne> but my advice would be
[04:42] <startswithz> but what's the command?
[04:42] <dr_willis>  startswithz  reconfigure X with it. :) but i forget the name
[04:42] <dr_willis> !fixrex
[04:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fixrex - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:42] <dr_willis> !fixres
[04:42] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:42] <pagan0ne> first (are you running nvidia or ati drivers)
[04:42] <Minataku> Mmmm... Suzuka Circuit
[04:42] <klobster> no one wants to talk GPLv3, huh?
[04:42] <Minataku> One of my favorites
[04:42] <dr_willis> klobster:  whats to discuss. :)
[04:42] <startswithz> Nvidia
[04:43] <dr_willis> nvidia has a X org generation tool
[04:43] <pagan0ne> klobster: think noone wants a war
[04:43] <BluesKaj> do you mean 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[04:43] <dr_willis> # nvidia-xconfig: X configuration file generated by nvidia-xconfig
[04:43] <pagan0ne> startswithz: what i would do is boot off the kubuntu live cd, copy the preconfigured xorg.conf file to my harddrive
[04:43] <startswithz> BluesKaj: is that what it is?
[04:43] <BluesKaj> yes
[04:43] <klobster> dr_willis pagan0ne: I was just curious about a few things that I am confused about.  Maybe I should take it to offtopic
[04:44] <pagan0ne> startswithz: and then download and install envy....
[04:44] <startswithz> pagan0ne: can't download my internet is broked
[04:44] <intelikey> klobster idea on your post in the pastebin yesterday.       sudo chown -R `whoami` ~        if that didn't fix it.  rm -r ~/.kde*      i know it's a little drastic but beets a reload all to peaces.
[04:45] <pagan0ne> startswithz: thats what id do anyway
[04:45] <klobster> intelikey: I'll give it a try.  any idea what would have caused it?
[04:45] <intelikey> probably running konq via sudo
[04:46] <intelikey> it's notorious for hosing perms that way.
[04:46] <startswithz> BlueKaj: it seems to be working
[04:46] <startswithz> should I use kernel frambuffer device interface?
[04:46] <klobster> I am pretty sure he never did that (untill I instructed him to)
[04:47] <intelikey> klobster may be a bug.   </shrugs>
[04:47] <BluesKaj> startswithz, you have to make choices
[04:47] <dr_willis> startswithz:  i always disable the framebuffer
[04:47] <BluesKaj> dr_willis, why
[04:47] <BluesKaj> ?
[04:48] <dr_willis> i have issues with the framebuffer on the console on some of my machines
[04:48] <BluesKaj> what's the downside issues?
[04:48] <dr_willis> depends on what part of the framebuffer you ar refering to.
[04:49] <dr_willis> Most cases peoplke dont even use the console-framebuffer any more
[04:49] <pagan0ne> anyone know how to force a process to execute on a spefic core on a dual processor rig?
[04:50] <intelikey> dr_willis i thought everyone that uses "default" *buntu used the frame buffer    *** think usplash ***
[04:50] <BluesKaj> i have very vague idea what the frame buffer does anyway :)
[04:50] <dr_willis> intelikey:  i disable that :)
[04:51] <intelikey> me too
[04:51] <intelikey> that's why i said "default"  :)
[04:51] <dr_willis> on some of my mahcines if i alt-ctrl-F1 bacj and forth - the Frabebuffer really messes up the console
[04:51] <intelikey> yep.   i second the camotion
[04:52] <intelikey> that's why i don't use a gui much  tho
[04:53] <intelikey> pagan0ne i kinda wish i did know.    that would mean i had a dual core to test it on.
[04:53] <jontec_> anyone used DeVeDe (Video DVD burning)? I'm a kubuntu user, but its a gnome app... O_o the people in #ubuntu and #gnome aren't helping...
[04:53] <dr_willis> I was thinking if the kernel was set to use them - all apps used them. Well i do recall they needed to be compiled with threads support? I forget. I got no dulecore eithers
[04:53] <pagan0ne> intelikey: lol i just got my dual core amd 64 up and running, and i want to put qemu on the 2nd core
[04:53] <startswithz> ok I tried reconfiguring the xorg but it still does not work
[04:54] <startswithz> it says "no screens found"
[04:54] <dr_willis> startswithz:  could boot the livecd and copy its xorg.conf over.
[04:54] <BluesKaj> jontec_, I used it for a while til I discovered Tovid ...devede now just gathers dust
[04:54] <startswithz> Ill give that a try
[04:55] <jontec_> BluesKaj: is it better? I like a lot of the things that DeVeDe does...
[04:55] <pagan0ne> startswithz: hey hold on
[04:55] <pagan0ne> startswithz: have you heard of envy?
[04:55] <startswithz> I can't download envy
[04:55] <startswithz> my internet is broke
[04:56] <startswithz> I'm on my laptop right now
[04:56] <pagan0ne> oh... thats bad...
[04:56] <startswithz> yeah
[04:56] <BluesKaj> jontec_, it jus a matter of stability to me ...can't say whether deved is as buggy anymore as it was in dapper ( the Last time i used it )
[04:56] <startswithz> the linux gods are conspiring against me
[04:56] <startswithz> all because I wanted to play WoW
[04:56] <startswithz> :(
[04:56] <intelikey> internet is broke,  gui is broke,   what did you do ?
[04:56] <pagan0ne> startswithz: yeah boot off live cd, copy the xorg.conf file off the cd and that should get u to boot with normal nv drivers
[04:57] <startswithz> intelikey: I tried to install nvidia-xgl
[04:57] <pagan0ne> startswithz: did the x break when you tried to switch to the nvidia binary drivers?
[04:57] <jontec_> BluesKaj: where can I get tovid? I don't see it in Adept
[04:57] <startswithz> that broke it
[04:57] <pagan0ne> startswithz: nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:57] <startswithz> from the console the internet won't work
[04:57] <startswithz> I don't know why
[04:57] <pagan0ne> find the line that says
[04:57] <BluesKaj> pagan0ne,can't find the drivers in sys/settings /monitor/hardware ?
[04:57] <titanix88> BluesKaj : hey :)
[04:58] <titanix88> hendaus: r u here?
[04:58] <BluesKaj> hi titanix88
[04:58] <pagan0ne> startswithz: the line that says Driver "nvidia" change it to Driver "nv"
[04:58] <startswithz> hahahahahahahahaha! dpkg-reconfigure fixed it!
[04:58] <pagan0ne> BluesKaj: huh?
[04:59] <startswithz> wait damn
[04:59] <startswithz> I'm so fucking stupid it was the live cd
[04:59] <BluesKaj> oh pagan0ne , admin mode
[04:59] <intelikey> startswithz mmm restored it to a working state.   fixed may be premature.   i'll bet you half of nothing that it's using nv and not nvidia driver now.
[04:59] <titanix88> startswithz : hehehe...:)
[05:00] <pagan0ne> BluesKaj: im lost asto what your talking about, he's stuck @ a console, and couldnt get x working
[05:00] <BluesKaj> or the vesa
[05:00] <startswithz> intelikey sometimes I hate linux
[05:00] <startswithz> windows never made me feel this stupid
[05:00] <scififan> hey everyone
[05:00] <intelikey> BluesKaj yeah when he said live   i would have said  vesa   but i had already typed it.
[05:01] <titanix88> startswithz : using nvidia?
[05:01] <BluesKaj> oh sorry pagan0ne... sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg...it might work
[05:01] <scififan> startswithz... means you're learning something, that's all
[05:01] <pagan0ne> BluesKaj: he tried that
[05:01] <BluesKaj> startx ?
[05:02] <pagan0ne> BluesKaj: i think he got it working
[05:02] <scififan> people that choose to learn linux or freebsd or anything new despite the trials become better people of they stick with it...
[05:02] <titanix88> anyone know any CLI irc client? that might come handy in case of crashes.
[05:02] <intelikey> startswithz i stand under you.    but you know, it's odd windows doesn't make you "feel" stupid, it just expects you to be; where as linux doesn't expect you to be stupid and....
[05:02] <BluesKaj> titanix88, irssi
[05:03] <intelikey> know what i mean ?
[05:03] <titanix88> BluesKaj : pagan0ne using nvidia?
[05:03] <jontec_> BluesKaj: where can I get tovid, it's not in Adept... T_T I just went to the wiki, but I'm on dial-up so it's taking a while to find
[05:03] <pagan0ne> im running a dual nvidia 8800's with binary drivers
[05:04] <titanix88> pagan0ne: then why r u trying to switch to nv ;?
[05:04] <dr_willis> titanix88:  using IRSSI right now :)
[05:04] <netdaemon> does anyone rip cds with k3b?
[05:04] <BluesKaj> jontec_, http://tovid.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
[05:04] <scififan> putting windows on your computer is like hanging up a Picasso painting in the bathroom
[05:04] <pagan0ne> titanix88: im not, i was trying to get startswithz to switch to try to get his X running again
[05:05] <dr_willis> scififan:  i got a 'Dogs Playing Poker' in my bathroom
[05:05] <Minataku> There's just walls in our bathrooms
[05:05] <scififan> i haven't seen one of those in years
[05:05] <scififan> dogs smoking cigars and all...
[05:06] <BluesKaj> well gents ...tired now ...sacktime for me ..take care all
[05:06] <intelikey> i like the "dogs shooting pool"
[05:07] <jontec_> gah... I don't know where I'm going to get 4 more GB... looks like tovid is proposing 20GB... so I think I should just go with DeVeDe... T_T
[05:07] <startswithz> ok I am trying the copy the xorg.conf from live cd idea
[05:08] <intelikey> startswithz you could copy it to your user home and use startx
[05:08] <startswithz> I just copied it to where it is supposed to be
[05:08] <intelikey> that preserves /etc   and lets you play with the config without sudo
[05:08] <intelikey> t'was just a thought
[05:08] <jontec_> lol... if I blew out my whole home folder, I could only get 3.3GB
[05:09] <startswithz> intelikey I may mess with that in the future
[05:09] <startswithz> once I get my system unretarded
[05:09] <scififan> that means removing windows
[05:09] <intelikey> jontec_ that's about 3.2g more than me...
[05:09] <startswithz> it appears to have worked
[05:09] <startswithz> for real this time
[05:10] <startswithz> oh wait now it doesn't recognize my keyboard or mouse
[05:11] <scififan> ya'll think configuring linux can be a pain, try freebsd, despite hardware being supported...
[05:12] <intelikey> scififan i dont think that ^
[05:12] <scififan> depends on what you're trying to do
[05:12] <netdaemon> what do the different paranoia levels mean in k3b?
[05:12] <intelikey> i think it would be a pain to setup grub on this system.
[05:12] <netdaemon> i have 0, 1, 2, and 3: no explanation of what either of them does
[05:13] <startswithz> ok how do I fix my mouse?
[05:13] <scififan> setup grub? grub is installed with kubuntu
[05:13] <scififan> you mean for dual booting?
[05:13] <intelikey> netdaemon try reading the online help in the menu
[05:13] <netdaemon> intelikey: i have =\
[05:14] <intelikey> scififan grub can't boot this system.    no partition.
[05:14] <scififan> prior windows machine?
[05:14] <intelikey> no
[05:14] <intelikey> non-default install.
[05:14] <netdaemon> i must be looking in the wrong sections
[05:14] <intelikey> non-default everything actually.
[05:15] <scififan> what do you mean non-default?
[05:15] <intelikey> netdaemon i'm sorry.  i don't have k3b installed so i can't look it up for you.   i do "think" i remember seeing it in the docs though.
[05:16] <netdaemon> intelikey: i'll keep looking then =) thanks
[05:16] <intelikey> scififan i mean there isn't another one like it anywhere in the world.
[05:16] <scififan> try installing freebsd
[05:16] <scififan> openbsd actually might be better. in my experience, it handles obscure hardware pretty well
[05:16] <netdaemon> freebsd == fun
[05:17] <intelikey> scififan send me a cd.    dialup and net installs don't jive
[05:17] <scififan> true
[05:18] <intelikey> i will admit i can't get the nvidia drivers to work for my card.   but i was told that it's because my card is not supported.
[05:18] <scififan> intellikey...have a friend dl and burn openbsd and try it. i think you'll be pleasantly surprised
[05:19] <intelikey> scififan i may try that...    next time i reload.      still running dapper right now so it will be a few more years yet.
[05:20] <scififan> dapper? dude... what are you still running dapper for?
[05:20] <intelikey> LTS
[05:20] <intelikey> dude !
[05:20] <netdaemon> fiesty is much better
[05:20] <netdaemon> =)
[05:20] <netdaemon> i hated (k)(x)ubuntu up until it...
[05:20] <intelikey> not what i've seen of it.   that is the part i would be using.
[05:21] <titanix88> scififan it's now 6.06.03
[05:22] <scififan> i still don't understand why ppl don't keep up with new releases... bit crazy to me
[05:22] <intelikey> and i'm as content in slackware 4  as the latest *buntu beta     a console is a console.    "except the things that they broke in fiesty,  that would hack me off"
[05:22] <netdaemon> scififan: i can understand why a business dosnt
[05:22] <scififan> that's different
[05:22] <wasi> hi there
[05:22] <scififan> i'm talking about home use computers
[05:23] <netdaemon> for home use, i don't see a reason to not use the latest, other than brokeness...
[05:23] <scififan> altho, if i ran a business, i would upgrade the desktops every 6 months... easy to do, actually
[05:23] <intelikey> i can't understand why people replace a working system for one with bugs...    gues that makes us equally ignorant...
[05:23] <titanix88> scififan thats bcoz i tried edgy and realized how crappy it was
[05:24] <scififan> use a jumpstart server and just push it out once you know the hardware works with test machines
[05:24] <scififan> edgy was crappy... i switched linux distros until feisty came out
[05:25] <intelikey> !worksforme
[05:25] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[05:25] <scififan> if you want stability, switch to freebsd... :)
[05:25] <intelikey> why i have stable  heh
[05:26] <intelikey> but you are right.  ubuntu is not a "stability" oriented distro   it's an eye candy distro
[05:26] <scififan> the only reason im not running freebsd on this laptop is because the wi-fi card is crap under bsd...
[05:27] <scififan> bsd refuses to buy into the comnmercial binary blob device drivers
[05:27] <scififan> that linux has bought into, esp. ubuntu
[05:28] <klobster> s/bought into/didn't fight to keep it out/
[05:29] <titanix88> scififan that's really a stronghold position( go bsd!)
[05:29] <scififan> i don't understand why more of you that crave stability don't go str8 debian or bsd
[05:30] <netdaemon> i like bsd but it sucks with my hardware
[05:30] <scififan> eye candy, use ubuntu, stability... no way
[05:30] <netdaemon> i like debian but the default kernel is to damned old for my laptop
[05:30] <intelikey> !LTS
[05:30] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[05:31] <dthacker> which is why my "this has to bleeping work or I'm dead" laptop runs Kubuntu 6.04 LTS
[05:31] <titanix88> !ubotu
[05:31] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[05:31] <intelikey> dthacker 6.6
[05:32] <intelikey> they posponed the release, remember ?
[05:32] <scififan> if i was running a small company, i would run kubuntu/ubuntu on the desktops and bsd in the server room
[05:32] <scififan> good combo
[05:32] <titanix88> intelikey it's actually 6.06
[05:32] <intelikey> 6 and 06  are the same month.
[05:33] <dthacker> intelikey: no, my memory is shot ;)
[05:33] <dthacker> but it's LTS
[05:33] <intelikey> indeed
[05:33] <scififan> if i see another elvis presley gospel CD collection on sale on tv, i'm gonna puke
[05:34] <scififan> ty
[05:34] <scififan> i want to see new geico caveman commericals
[05:35] <klobster> intelikey: they are flat now.
[05:35] <intelikey> really?   like monitors ?
[05:35] <intelikey> :)
[05:35] <netdaemon> yes
[05:36] <netdaemon> they call it,, HDTV
[05:36] <dthacker> intelikey: yep, and some of them come with 3d glasses
[05:36] <kotsos> how install beryl in kubuntu?
[05:36] <kotsos> help me.......
[05:36] <netdaemon> a computer monitor with AV inputs and a coax input
[05:36] <klobster> scififan: I hear there is a pilot for a geico caveman sitcom (BTW I was pronouncing your name sisiphan in my head untill I typed your name)
[05:36] <intelikey> netdaemon yeah   but why don't they just say "short screen"  ???
[05:36] <scififan> lol
[05:37] <scififan> i saw that sitcom ad, too... looking forward to it
[05:37] <intelikey> kotsos there is a channel specially for that.
[05:37] <intelikey> !beryl
[05:37] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[05:37] <netdaemon> intelikey: they have widescreen now too =\
[05:37] <scififan> if cavemen were actually real and still alive today, i have no doubt desperate linux geeks would date the caveman ladies
 intelikey: they have widescreen now too =\ <<<<   you call it wide.   i still say it's just "short"
[05:37] <netdaemon> lol
[05:38] <scififan> getting caught in your mother's basement with a girl that has a face like a hatful of a**holes
[05:39] <kotsos> thanx
[05:39] <kotsos> bye
[05:39] <intelikey> scififan how many times did you take your medication today ?
[05:39] <scififan> funny
[05:40] <scififan> i just call it as i see it
[05:40] <scififan> just saw a commercial for CHIPS season 1 DVD
[05:40] <intelikey> that's what i'm afraid of....  just answer the question
[05:40] <deemo> Hello all, I have a Kubuntu dapper system here, and for some reason, no outbound internet connection will work. i can access apache and other internet ports from other computers so it works fine as a server, but firefox, apt-get, etc dont work from it locally. what could be wrong?
[05:40] <intelikey> :)
[05:40] <scififan> anyone in here old enought to remember the original show?
[05:40] <luckyone> what tool would I use to format my 4GB SD card?
[05:41] <scififan> what format is it currently in?
[05:41] <klobster> dd?
[05:41] <luckyone> scififan: not formatted I don't think
[05:41] <scififan> it has to be formatted somehow or else it cannot hold data
[05:42] <luckyone> scififan: I tried to format it with my Nikon D50 and it messed it up... dmesg recognizes it still, I just need to format it
[05:42] <luckyone> scififan: it has no data
[05:42] <intelikey> deemo did you install a firewall configurator ?     iptables may be blocking outbound       do you have a listing in  /etc/resolv.conf ?   may not have a dns server setup
[05:42] <scififan> use the camera again... take the offer for wiping the card completely... my fuji camera offers this
[05:42] <luckyone> scififan: post format error with the camera, I read that some Nikon D50's can use but can't format that large of a card
[05:43] <scififan> what year is the camera?
[05:43] <luckyone> scififan: My camera cannot format a 4GB card
[05:43] <deemo> intelikey, i dont beleive that i installed a firewall. ill look at that file
[05:43] <scififan> dthacker, me as well
[05:44] <scififan> i recall adam 12 as well
[05:44] <intelikey> scififan may sound pedantic and nit picky  but a disk/device doesn't have to have a file system (be formated) to hold data.   it makes retrieval much easier though.
[05:44] <scififan> i watched the after school specials back in the 70s
[05:44] <glen_r> When I plug in a usb stick it gets mounted as /media/usbdisk or /media/usbdisk-1  -- Is there a way to force a certain mount point all the time using the UUID?
[05:44] <dthacker> dragnet?, Emergency?
[05:44] <scififan> seen em
[05:45] <scififan> i watched gilligans island when it was making new episodes
[05:45] <dthacker> hehe, yep.
[05:45] <bipolar> Me, my wife, and my nephews play World of Warcraft. My wifes pc is an old POS P42.2Ghz 2/ 512MB of kinda buggy ram, Running Wow in wine. We took it over to my nephews to play together. He's got a athlon 64 4200+ w/ 2GB of ram and an Nvidia SLI setup running XP. My wifes PC loaded WoW screens faster then his and it pissed him off. He's been trying for a couple of weeks to figure out what was wrong. The only bottleneck he had left was old hard drives (ide) so
[05:45] <bipolar> he bought a 10k RPM Sata drive. It didn't help. Tonight we loaded kubuntu and wine on a spare 20GB partition . It Cut his screen loading time better then in half.
[05:45] <bipolar> I thought you guys would enjoy that story :)
[05:46] <scififan> cool
[05:46] <scififan> better living through linux
[05:46] <netdaemon> yep
[05:47] <netdaemon> cept wine dosn't run to well in 64 bit ;)
[05:47] <scififan> queen.... yuck
[05:47] <intelikey> bipolar sounds like an anti-M$ add   and while i enjoy such    what's the point of posting it here ?
[05:47] <bipolar> netdaemon: true
[05:47] <scififan> turns up Siberian Khatru by Yes
[05:47] <scififan> Roundabout next...
[05:48] <bipolar> netdaemon: true. loaded the 32bit version.
[05:48] <bipolar> netdaemon: it's hard enough to get someone to try linux without messing with the hardships of 64bit :)
[05:49] <bipolar> intelikey: becouse it involves a new kubuntu user and it's true.
[05:49] <netdaemon> bipolar: i hardly find it hardship
[05:49] <scififan> all of my coworkers hate linux.... apple too.... my manager hates anything not MS
[05:49] <netdaemon> no more flash adds for me =D
[05:49] <netdaemon> ads*
[05:49] <bipolar> netdaemon: hehe
[05:49] <netdaemon> i find that if they are to ignorant to write a 64 bit port, they aren't worth my time
[05:49] <klobster> 6 MB/s to transfer a folder from one partition to the other (same disk).  seems slow, no?
[05:49] <scififan> i live and work in a small town, so i have to put up with windows at work
[05:50] <netdaemon> all code should be portable
[05:50] <bipolar> klobster: er..yeah
[05:50] <scififan> no real IT options here
[05:50] <bipolar> klobster: depends on the hardware I guess
[05:50] <intelikey> klobster depends on the disk and interface.    dmesg  will tell you more about that.
[05:51] <scififan> anyone here use only konq as their browser / no other browser?
[05:51] <klobster> it's an  WD sata(1) 250gb
[05:51] <bipolar> klobster: you've got an issue then. that should be faster then that.
[05:51] <bipolar> scififan: I use konq mostly, but i do have FF installed for the rare time I need it.
[05:52] <Minataku> Well, same-drive transfers one would technically expect to take twice as long
[05:52] <Minataku> As a one-to-another transfer
[05:52] <Minataku> Since in the one-to-another, you can read off one and write to the other simultaneously
[05:52] <scififan> debating trying another browser, but i don't like firefox or mozilla.
[05:52] <bipolar> I just coppied a few gigs of data on a 10k rpm sata drive and it hovered around 35MB/s
[05:52] <intelikey> same cable exception ^
[05:53] <intelikey> scififan dillo
[05:53] <scififan> i lived with dillo for a while under openbsd for those site that konq emebedded couldnt handle
[05:53] <scififan> dillo is way too basic...
[05:54] <netdaemon> no css
[05:54] <bipolar> scififan: give konq a try
[05:54] <bipolar> scififan: I like it. it's quite fast too
[05:54] <klobster> minataku: I didn't think that would apply, as it is just a platter transfer, ergo no cable bottleneck?
[05:54] <scififan> i use konq as my only browser
[05:54] <Minataku> klobster: The heads can only be in one place at one time
[05:54] <scififan> looking to try something new
[05:55] <Rocky_> newbie here. what is the equivalent to the windows media player and where can i get it?
[05:55] <bipolar> klobster: copys like that have to go though ram, I think
[05:55] <Minataku> Rocky_: VLC or mplayer, and from the repositories
[05:55] <scififan> opera, flock, dillo, FF, seamonkey, tried em all
[05:55] <Minataku> scififan: Write your own
[05:55] <Rocky_> ok thanks
[05:55] <Minataku> Rocky_: np
[05:55] <netdaemon> konqueror is my fav now
[05:55] <netdaemon> was a firefox person
[05:55] <klobster> still, should be faster than a sd card transfer
[05:55] <scififan> i'm not a hacker... the only code i can write is bash scripts
[05:55] <intelikey> elinks  links2 -g
[05:56] <bipolar> klobster: maybe :)
[05:56] <Minataku> Can't stand Konq for one, and don't use KDE for two
[05:56] <Minataku> I use Firefox on everything, even if I'm not technically supposed to, like on lab computers
[05:56] <intelikey> i find a lot of people in here that don't use kde.   what is up with that ?
[05:56] <scififan> konq is better than anything else i've tried to date
[05:56] <netdaemon> Minataku: what do you use then?
[05:56] <bipolar> Minataku: er... you're in the kubuntu channel and you don't use KDE? kinda strange... you must have a reason. :)
[05:57] <scififan> i'm just getting bored with konq is all... maybe i should just tweak it some more and get anothe skin
[05:57] <Minataku> bipolar: I like to help
[05:57] <intelikey> bipolar me too
[05:57] <Minataku> As for what I use, Gentoo w/ Fluxbox
[05:57] <bipolar> hmmm ok
[05:58] <Minataku> Though I'm planning on finding a new WM
[05:58] <ubuntu_> hi
[05:58] <dthacker> very quick
[05:58] <Minataku> Gotta find something nice and light and with the same functionality
[05:58] <ubuntu_> someone else speak spanish
[05:58] <Minataku> !es
[05:58] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[05:58] <scififan> blackbox is nice... used it for awhile
[05:59] <scififan> fluxbox is nicer, tho
[05:59] <scififan> even tho it's based on bb
[05:59] <intelikey> flux is just a fork of black
[05:59] <Minataku> intelikey: Doesn't mean it can't be nicer
[05:59] <intelikey> doesn't mean it is either
[05:59] <scififan> if enlightenment ever gets their act together, i'll download e17
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[06:00] <dr_willis> scififan:  they been tryign to do that for years...
[06:00] <Minataku> I don't like big, heavyweight WMs
[06:00] <dr_willis> well night all
[06:00] <scififan> nothing more elegant than enlightenment
[06:00] <dr_willis> when it works. :)
[06:00] <Minataku> It needs to do what it needs to do and stay out of the way the rest of the time
[06:00] <scififan> willis... unfortunately... they need to finish it or forget it
[06:00] <dr_willis> ive had so many issues withit in the past.. i dont even want to try it any more
[06:00] <Minataku> Which is 99.999% of it
[06:00] <ubuntu_> no se como cambiar de canales soy nuevo usando kubuntu
[06:00] <Minataku> !es | ubuntu_
[06:00] <dr_willis> they almost finish it - then they start over.
[06:00] <ubotu> ubuntu_: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[06:00] <dr_willis> :)
[06:00] <dr_willis> night all
[06:00] <Minataku> Night
[06:01] <klobster> night, doc!
[06:01] <dthacker> cya doc
[06:01] <scififan> bush's baked beans commercial... just let the dog sell the secret recipe already
[06:02] <netdaemon> haha
[06:02] <intelikey> or shoot the dog
[06:02] <scififan> that's mean
[06:03] <intelikey> yeah yeah i know save the whales and abort the babies....  lets don't go there ok.
[06:03] <scififan> i'm politically incorrect with one exception... animal cruelty...
[06:03] <ubuntu_> klobster
[06:04] <netdaemon> bah
[06:04] <klobster> ubuntu_
[06:04] <netdaemon> i can't find any docs on what those paranoia levels mean =(
[06:04] <scififan> i'm all for harpooning whales in proper numbers, however
[06:04] <netdaemon> whats in the backend of it ripping?
[06:05] <scififan> just make sure there are no fat girls on the beach when the whale hunts start
[06:05] <dthacker> netdaemon: what version,  I just brought up my fiesty and I can look
[06:05] <ubuntu_> estoy buscando a klobster
[06:05] <netdaemon> dthacker: fiesty
[06:05] <dthacker> I have 1.0 using KDE 3.5.6.  Same for you?
[06:06] <netdaemon> yep
[06:06] <Minataku> ubuntu_: This channel is English only, and you have already been directed to channels which provide support in Spanish.
[06:06] <ubuntu_> ok
[06:06] <Minataku> Sorry, but that's the channel rules
[06:06] <dthacker> netdaemon: where do you see the paranoia options at?
[06:07] <netdaemon> dthacker, its when you go to rip a cd
[06:07] <netdaemon> when it asks for the options, go to the advanced tab
[06:07] <klobster> ubuntu_ se es yo
[06:07] <intelikey> netdaemon prolly "cdparanoia"
[06:07] <dthacker> rip a CD? or burn a CD?
[06:07] <netdaemon> rip a CD
[06:08] <intelikey> !info cdparanoia
[06:08] <ubotu> cdparanoia: audio extraction tool for sampling CDs. In component main, is optional. Version 3.10+debian~pre0-4build1 (feisty), package size 41 kB, installed size 116 kB
[06:08] <netdaemon> i saw nothing of paranoia levels in the man page for it =\
[06:08] <netdaemon> i saw an option to strip paranoia completely, sans cdda2wav, and to strip extra paranoia
[06:09] <sjck> Hi, what is on the Kubuntu DVDs? :)
[06:10] <scififan> data...
[06:10] <scififan> anyone have any good jokes?
[06:10] <klobster> sjck: my coffee cup, sorry
[06:11] <sjck> Haha :/
[06:11] <ubuntu_> klobster pasate al #kubunt-es por favor
[06:11] <klobster> scififan: so there are these two muffins in the oven and one of them looks at the other and says "man is it hot in here..."
[06:12] <klobster> And the other muffin turns to him and says "OH MY GOD A TALKING MUFFIN!!!"
[06:12] <scififan> lol
[06:13] <scififan> i was reading some "yo momma" snaps earlier...some of them are ribsplitting funny
[06:13] <intelikey> what's the differance between a duck?
[06:13] <intelikey> one leg is both the same.
[06:14] <ubuntu_> klobster this a english channel so please go to #kubuntu-es to talk without troubles
[06:14] <scififan> funny one i read earlier... yo momma is so ugly, her shadow quit
[06:14] <ubuntu_> I need help
[06:15] <jack-> what could i do if my sound is broken, in kubuntu-feisty?
[06:16] <intelikey> change modules ?
[06:16] <jack-> no matter what i select as arts output, alsa/oss/esd/whatever, there's no output
[06:16] <intelikey> !sound | jack-
[06:16] <ubotu> jack-: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[06:16] <scififan> is the mixer muted?
[06:16] <jack-> and gui apps like noatun, juk or so play a track at a speed of like 10000x, without anything audible..
[06:16] <jack-> no
[06:17] <jack-> worked already, i just have no idea which package update broke stuff
[06:17] <scififan> i hate when this happens
[06:17] <jack-> same here ;)
[06:17] <scififan> indeed
[06:17] <scififan> if i more money, i'd just buy an apple and be done with it
[06:19] <jack-> heh
[06:19] <jack-> i got a g4 mac, but i happen to like ubuntu a lot
[06:19] <jack-> since the tree size is more than 10x of what we have in fink-macosx
[06:20] <scififan> ubuntu is nice, but so is all of your computer working
[06:20] <jack-> true :p
[06:20] <scififan> would love to buy a macbook, but my wallet says no way
[06:21] <jack-> those macbook pro's are great, indeed
[06:21] <raylu> does anyone know how to do string/number conversion in C?
[06:21] <jack-> a bit expensive maybe
[06:22] <scififan> raylu, this is likely not the room for C hacking
[06:22] <jack-> oh well, i'll reboot and hope that classical windoze way does anything
[06:22] <jack-> brb
[06:22] <intelikey> raylu  no si    ! C   know see
[06:22] <scififan> lol
[06:23] <scififan> i C said the blind man
[06:23] <raylu> =\ not even close to hacking. i'm a C newbie :(
[06:23] <intelikey> oh well then you can help him
[06:23] <intelikey> blind man  ^
[06:23] <scififan> i don't know C.... joking only
[06:24] <scififan> bash scripts, yes, system languages, no
[06:24] <scififan> brb... i require nicotine
[06:24] <intelikey> you know bash ?    maybe you can tell me what this does then   ":(){ :|:& }; :"
[06:25] <intelikey> hides
[06:25] <scififan> WTF is that obfuscated crap... looks like a perl nightmare, not shell
[06:26] <intelikey> it's totally shell
[06:26] <raylu> looks tasty.
[06:26] <n8k99> its not something you really want to run- unless you feel the need to reboot
[06:26] <intelikey> a bomb shell
[06:26] <intelikey> or bash bomb  if you will
[06:26] <n8k99> logic bomb
[06:26] <klobster> !C
[06:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about c - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:27] <scififan> i don't mess with nothing like that
[06:27] <klobster> !ada
[06:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ada - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:27] <intelikey> yeah if you have ulimit -n set to any sane amount it's nothing.  but if unlimited  don't play with it.
[06:27] <scififan> !dating girls
[06:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dating girls - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:27] <scififan> lol
[06:27] <hendaus> somebody help please!
[06:27] <n8k99> klobster you'll actually get much better results from the googlemonster for those topics
[06:28] <n8k99> or wikipedia
[06:28] <klobster> I wanted it from ubotu :(
[06:28] <scififan> obotu is asleep at the wheel
[06:28] <Tm_T> hendaus: and your problem is?
[06:29] <klobster> I love ubotu, but sadly
[06:29] <klobster> !love
[06:29] <ubotu> Love is like racing across the frozen tundra on a snowmobile which flips over, trapping you underneath. At night, the ice-weasels come.
[06:29] <intelikey> hendaus i thought you had been here long enough to know to just ask    not beg for help.
[06:29] <Tm_T> scififan: klobster:thisis support channel, for general chatters (and fooling around) use #kubuntu-offtopic thank you
[06:30] <rpgsimmaster> P'raps someone can help me - I'm currently having a problem with Adept...
[06:31] <hendaus> Tm_T:  thanx, i have download this -> jre-6u1-linux-i586-rpm.bin, and then i want to install it,what shell i do?
[06:31] <rpgsimmaster> it tells me the adept database is in use (e.g. by apt-get, adept, aptitude)
[06:31] <Tm_T> hendaus: you want download and install it, why?
[06:31] <hendaus> intelikey: yes but i have download jre-6u1-linux-i586-rpm.bin, but i dont know how to install it
[06:31] <rpgsimmaster> but my process table shows none of those running
[06:31] <klobster> rpgsimmaster look for dpkg
[06:31] <Tm_T> !jre
[06:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jre - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:31] <intelikey> hendaus there is a deb  in the repos isn't there ?
[06:31] <Tm_T> hmm,!java
[06:32] <Tm_T> gah
[06:32] <hendaus> Tm_T:  coz i open a website and to see anfy picture, it says click to install plugin
[06:32] <rpgsimmaster> No dpkg
[06:32] <Tm_T> big shame on me now
[06:32] <hendaus> intelikey:  i have alien
[06:32] <intelikey> !find jre-6
[06:32] <Tm_T> !java | hendaus
[06:32] <ubotu> Package/file jre-6 does not exist in feisty
[06:32] <ubotu> hendaus: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[06:33] <raylu> rpgsimmaster, try "ps aux | grep a"
[06:33] <intelikey> i guess there's not a deb of 6 yet.   thought that there was....
[06:33] <raylu> that'll catch anything that starts with a :D
[06:33] <hendaus> Tm_T:  i install sun java from adept
[06:33] <intelikey> !adeptcrashfix | rpgsimmaster
[06:33] <ubotu> rpgsimmaster: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[06:34] <rpgsimmaster> Thanks, ubotu
[06:34] <netdaemon> hrm...
[06:34] <intelikey> Tm_T you could have went ahead and kicked me so it wouldn't be a wasted +o   :)
[06:35] <scififan> gents, time to call it a night... ya'll have fun
[06:35] <dthacker> see ya sff
[06:35] <klobster> night
[06:35] <scififan> l8r all
[06:36] <hendaus> Tm_T:  i try this on konsole -> bash ./jre-6u1-linux-i586-rpm.bin , then i got this message -> error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - No such file or directory (2),error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm
[06:36] <rpgsimmaster> Thanks for your help, guys - it seems your solution worked, ubotu
[06:37] <eljefe> well done ubotu ;)
[06:38] <eljefe> !conscience thought
[06:38] <intelikey> hendaus but it's an rpm  not a .deb    please go and look for a .deb so we don't have to spend 7 hours getting your computer working when you force that install and it breaks theings
[06:38] <thoreauputic> !java
[06:38] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[06:38] <hendaus> intelikey:  i have alien, how can i convert to .deb?
[06:39] <thirdy> Wat's the easy way to drag your windows to the other desktop?
[06:39] <klobster> hendaus: JAve jre 6 is in the reposoitories
[06:39] <thirdy> Like in Xfce
[06:39] <eljefe> hendaus: why not install the java that Kubuntu provides?
[06:39] <thoreauputic> hendaus: don't do that - use the java package from the multiverse repo
[06:39] <hendaus> eljefe:  i installed it, and it doesnot make any sense
[06:39] <intelikey> hendaus yes i know you do...  but there is a .deb  so why use alian when you don't have too
[06:39] <hendaus> sence
[06:40] <thoreauputic> hendaus: follow the instructions on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[06:40] <eljefe> hendaus: go to KMenu > System > Adept, and search for java, and install the Sun Java JRE package... i cannot imagine that there is a newer package with any real improvements that are already being used on the web....
[06:40] <intelikey> thoreauputic and does he need to do that update-alternatives to activate it ?
[06:40] <hendaus> intelikey:  i am  using firefox mozilla browser
[06:40] <thoreauputic> intelikey: I did
[06:40] <eljefe> !java
[06:40] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[06:41] <intelikey> ok that's probably what he missed.
[06:41] <thoreauputic> sudo update-alternatives --config java
[06:42] <intelikey> hendaus run that command and see if your java works
[06:42] <hendaus> thoreauputic:  ok there r three alternatives, which one i choose
[06:42] <thoreauputic> hendaus: choose the sun java alternative
[06:43] <thoreauputic> hendaus: something like /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java
[06:43] <hendaus> thoreauputic:  Using `/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/bin/java' to provide `java'
[06:43] <thoreauputic> hendaus: should work
[06:44] <hendaus> thoreauputic:  after that what should i do
[06:44] <fulat2k> is there a way to save ssh sessions in konsole similar to how it's done in putty?
[06:44] <thoreauputic> hendaus: that's it
[06:44] <hendaus> thanx let me try
[06:44] <thoreauputic> hendaus: restart firefox and test it - see if it appears in about:plugins ( type that in the URL bar)
[06:45] <thoreauputic> hendaus: you might also want to set it in open office
[06:45] <xlinux__> anyone here have a gforce 7600?
[06:45] <thoreauputic> !anyone
[06:45] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[06:46] <xlinux__> well ok.. but if noone has this card, its not going to do any good asking the question...
[06:46] <xlinux__> what framerates with glxgears are you nvidia geforce 7600 users getting?
[06:47] <hendaus> thoreauputic:  i got click here to download plugin another time
[06:48] <thoreauputic> hendaus: do you see sun java in "aout:plugins"  ?
[06:48] <thoreauputic> umm about:plugins
[06:48] <hendaus> thoreauputic:  where is that in about plugins?
[06:49] <eljefe> xlinux__: i have that card, how do i test it?
[06:49] <intelikey> hendaus you navigate to that url      about:plugins
[06:49] <hendaus> intelikey:  no
[06:50] <xlinux__> hendaus.. well I just gave glxgears a shot and its telling me 5300fps, which seems quite low..
[06:50] <hendaus> thoreauputic:  there is one call java runtime environment
[06:50] <thoreauputic> hendaus: you should see that java plugins are enabled
[06:50] <thoreauputic> hendaus: yes, that would be it
[06:50] <eljefe> anyone know how to run glxgears?  I get this: Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".  Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[06:50] <hendaus> thoreauputic:  it says its not available
[06:51] <thoreauputic> hendaus: *sigh* have you restarted Firefox ?
[06:52] <hendaus> yes
[06:52] <eljefe> xlinux__: i want to try glxgears, how do i get it to run?
[06:52] <xlinux__> eljefe.. do you have nvidia drivers installed?
[06:52] <thoreauputic> hendaus: well, it should work assuming you installed it using apt or aptitude
[06:52] <intelikey> eljefe only time i messed with it,   i just opened a konsole and typed glxgears
[06:53] <eljefe> xlinux__: yes i do, but it won't go
[06:53] <xlinux__> you typed:
[06:53] <thoreauputic> eljefe: try  glxgears -printfps
[06:53] <hendaus> thoreauputic:  i try restarting firefox several times and doesnot work :((
[06:53] <xlinux__> glxgears
[06:53] <eljefe> hendaus: in Firefox, go to Edit > Preferences, Settings tab; do you have [X]  Java all checkmarked?
[06:53] <xlinux__> and it didnt do anything?
[06:53] <eljefe> xlinux__: gave this error:
[06:53] <hendaus> wait
[06:54] <eljefe> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".  Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[06:54] <thoreauputic> hendaus: then try purging the java package and reinstalling it , then doing the update-alternatives command again - I can't think why it isn't working
[06:54] <xlinux__> which drivers are you running?
[06:54] <eljefe> thoreauputic: that gave the same output as glxgears --help
[06:54] <intelikey> i just noticed that i don't even have glxgears
[06:55] <hendaus> eljefe:  yes eneble java, and javascript
[06:55] <hendaus> thoreauputic: ok let me try
[06:55] <eljefe> xlinux__: nvidia... but not the 'new' package
[06:55] <thoreauputic> eljefe: well, just "glxgears" works fine here
[06:55] <eljefe> hmm
[06:55] <klobster> hendaus: swiftfox, or firefox?
[06:56] <xlinux__> that should be fine.. I dont know if the repo drivers have glxgears.. I had to use the drivers from nvidias website
[06:56] <intelikey> yeah did here the one time i ran it.   i don't even know why the command is not there now....
[06:56] <thoreauputic> eljefe: what does  "  glxinfo | grep direct  " say?
[06:56] <eljefe> i have a Modules section entry in my xorg.conf named 'glx' (lowercase), should i try changing that to uppercase?
[06:57] <thoreauputic> no
[06:57] <eljefe> k
[06:57] <thoreauputic> eljefe: answer my previous question please
[06:57] <xlinux__> intelikey, you used the downloaded drivers?
[06:57] <eljefe> thoreauputic: lots of 'Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". ' but basically the same as above
[06:57] <hendaus> thoreauputic:  but i forgot to told u that yesterday i make install bash ./jre-6u1-linux-i586.bin  <-- how can i uninstall it from kubuntu
[06:57] <thoreauputic> eljefe: it should say "direct rendering yes"
[06:58] <intelikey> xlinux__ drivers ?     what are you on about ?    my nvidia card is not supported.
[06:58] <eljefe> how do i check my driver from TCL ?
[06:58] <thoreauputic> hendaus: ah,,, you have confused the system
[06:58] <xlinux__> eljefe.. does anything 3d work for you?
[06:58] <ubuntu__> hi
[06:58] <Jack3> how do i use ssl in konversation
[06:58] <hendaus> thoreauputic:  maybe :(, can u help me how to uninstall it from kubuntu
[06:58] <eljefe> hendaus: aah HA!  that's totally it, thoreauputic is right
[06:58] <xlinux__> intelikeyL huh? im on a 7600, what do you have?
[06:58] <kalorin> wow
[06:59] <kalorin> anyone seen a pdf document that kubuntu wouldn't open?
[06:59] <eljefe> xlinux__: what to test?  i don't have g-earth installed and i don't think anything else really matters..
[06:59] <kalorin> really strange
[06:59] <intelikey> xlinux__ riva128 agp
[06:59] <thoreauputic> hendaus: you will have to painfully track down the files it installed, I think
[06:59] <eljefe> kalorin: i've seen one that Adobe wouldn't but KPDF would...
[06:59] <hendaus> thoreauputic:
[06:59] <hendaus> i dont know
[06:59] <kalorin> eljefe: yeah
[06:59] <kalorin> this is really odd, last years tax return it can't seem to get an idea of what to do with
[06:59] <thoreauputic> hendaus: sorry - but installing from rpm is just not supported really
[06:59] <ubuntu__> hi
[06:59] <eljefe> what is a 3d application that i can test?
[06:59] <kalorin> it's clearly a pdf
[07:00] <eljefe> other thank glxgears ;)
[07:00] <ubuntu__> who can help me
[07:00] <kalorin> I can vi it and see at the top that it's saying it's some .pdf varient
[07:00] <intelikey> xlinux__ and it seems that riva128 is only supported as pci    best i can gather.
[07:00] <xlinux__> hmm... im not sure.. I use nexuiz and beryl to verify my 3d
[07:00] <hendaus> thoreauputic:  but i forgot to told u that yesterday i make install bash ./jre-6u1-linux-i586.bin  <-- how can i uninstall it from kubuntu, this is not rpm?
[07:00] <eljefe> ubuntu__: what is it? just ask away!
[07:00] <xlinux__> intelikey.. have you contacted nvidia?
[07:00] <eljefe> xlinux__: lol i don't have that running
[07:00] <xlinux__> theyre bound to have a driver
[07:01] <intelikey> xlinux__ why should it   the card is old   all they want to do is sell new hardware.
[07:01] <ubuntu__> which samba os suitable for my kubuntu
[07:01] <ubuntu__> which samba is suitable for my kubuntu
[07:01] <thoreauputic> hendaus: ah sorry - same deal, you will have to find the files it installed - try  " sudo updatedb && locate java | less " as a start
[07:01] <intelikey> xlinux__ why should it  /  why should i
[07:01] <sivaji> !samba
[07:01] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[07:02] <xlinux__> hmm.. I would think they would have some provisions.. they have drivers for the geforce 2 etc... these are cards far older than yours
[07:02] <eljefe> hmmm apparently i DOJNJ'T have any 3d or OpenGL running; i think ithis is tied with recent updates and my DVD's DMS getting turned off... anyone know why this would be?
[07:02] <Jack3> how do i use ssl in konversation
[07:02] <hendaus> thoreauputic:  i type this: hendaus@hendaus:~$ sudo updatedb && locate java | less " as a start
[07:02] <ubuntu__> thanks
[07:02] <hendaus> and i got this: >
[07:03] <xlinux__> well eljefe.. If you have a 7600, I can help you get the downloaded drivers installed...
 theyre bound to have a driver  <<<  if it was a "BIG" deal, i'd persue it...          and are sure that gforce2 predates y2k ?
[07:03] <thoreauputic> hendaus: no quotes - just  type   sudo updatedb && locate java | less
[07:03] <eljefe> I had them installed, thanks!!  i am going to reboot, see if these updates will take a bit better (or not!)   :( uptime: 5days 6hrs 21min
[07:04] <thoreauputic> hmmm bye bye hendaus
[07:04] <eljefe> lol
[07:04] <eljefe> brb peops
[07:04] <xlinux__> well, im almost positive the geforce2 has far less than 128mb... I remember one of the Geforce cards Ive seen had 64MB dedicated.. yours is 64mb ded/ 64mb shared right?
[07:05] <intelikey> xlinux__ i think mine has 16m vidio ram...   where did you get 128m ?
[07:05] <hendaus> back
[07:05] <xlinux__> haha riva 128
[07:05] <hendaus> thoreauputic:  sorry i got dc, so how could i uninstall the jave that i gave u
[07:05] <sivaji> is there any way switch from i368 os to amd
[07:06] <xlinux__> that card may be a little too old.. its bs they dont support it though.. I bet my card wont be supported in a few years
[07:06] <thoreauputic> hendaus: AS I said, try to locate the files and then remove them - you have made a mess I'm afraid
[07:07] <thoreauputic> hendaus:  sudo updatedb && locate java | less   is just a fairly easy way to see everyhting related to java - it will take a while and have a lot of output
[07:08] <sivaji> !gentoo
[07:08] <ubotu> Other !Linux distributions besides !Ubuntu include: Debian, Mepis (using !APT); RedHat, Fedora, SUSE, Mandriva (using !RPM); Gentoo, Slackware (using other packaging systems)
[07:09] <thoreauputic> sivaji: gentoo is also a file manager
[07:09] <thoreauputic> !info gentoo
[07:09] <ubotu> gentoo: a fully GUI-configurable, two-pane X file manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.11.55-1.1 (feisty), package size 764 kB, installed size 2432 kB
[07:09] <Jack3> wtf
[07:09] <Jack3> How do i use ssl in konversation
[07:09] <intelikey> VGA compatible controller: NVidia / SGS Thomson (Joint Venture) Riva128       so is that thing supposed to have 128m vidio ram ?    if so i do need a driver cause the scroll back buffer is small enough to fit in 4m     and i want the full scroll back ability.
[07:09] <kalorin> hey, new ati drivers are out!
[07:10] <kalorin> not at 1am
[07:10] <sivaji> thoreauputic i got amd machine but my os is i386 based is there any way to switch to amd based os
[07:10] <intelikey> anyone know ?
[07:11] <intelikey> sivaji you can run an amd kernel.   search the package database.
[07:11] <DaSkreech> I do!!
[07:11] <thoreauputic> sivaji: umm - amd is just a chip manufacturer - do you mean amd64 ?
[07:11] <sivaji> yes
[07:12] <intelikey> in that case it's a reinstall
[07:12] <thoreauputic> sivaji: there is an amd64 version of (k)ubuntu
[07:12] <hendaus> thoreauputic: ok after showing the files , what should i do, please help me coz i dont like to make any confusing
[07:12] <intelikey> but i don't know if you want to.
[07:12] <xlinux__> ubotu, you forgot PCLinuxOS
[07:13] <thoreauputic> hendaus: you will have to try to figure out which files are from your earlier install and remove them - I can't really help with that
[07:13] <intelikey> !bot | xlinux__
[07:13] <binks_> !ubutu
[07:13] <ubotu> xlinux__: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[07:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubutu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:13] <eljefe> well... for some reason the driver had been changed to 'nv' so i changed that, and the reboot seemed to fix my DVD's dma issue.... not sure why but i'm back up
[07:13] <sivaji>    thoreauputic      yes i know now i want to switch to that without reinstalling
[07:13] <xlinux__> hey thats fine hes a bot
[07:13] <thoreauputic> sivaji: you can't
[07:13] <xlinux__> hes still left out PCLinuxOS
[07:13] <eljefe> xlinux__: so now that i have glxgears running, how do i see the frame rate?  i have a 5200 :(
[07:14] <thoreauputic> sivaji: it's a whole architectural change for the operating system
[07:14] <hendaus> thoreauputic: ok what is command to to remove from javas from konsole?
[07:14] <intelikey> eljefe man glxgears
[07:14] <binks_> eljefe: glxgears --printfps i think
[07:14] <eljefe> lol ok
[07:14] <hendaus> thoreauputic:  sorry to remove javas from konsole
[07:14] <ubuntu__> how to reinstall  kubuntu without format??
[07:14] <xlinux__> open glxgears in a terminal and see what output in the terminal is
[07:14] <thoreauputic> hendaus: .... umm, not one command - you have to find and remove all the stuff
[07:14] <sivaji> thoreauputic do u this is it better to install amd64 version of (k)ubuntu
[07:14] <xlinux__> what do you guys think about PCLOS?
[07:15] <thoreauputic> sivaji: most people who want easy multimedia support use the i386 version on amd64
[07:15] <intelikey> --iacknowledgethatthisisnotabeanchmark    or some such....
[07:15] <hendaus> thoreauputic:  this one for example? /var/lib/dpkg/info/libhsqldb-java.postinst
[07:15] <eljefe> xlinux__: i look to be about 850fps, what were you getting?
[07:15] <binks_> hmm they changed lxgears no fps
[07:15] <thoreauputic> sivaji: unless you *need* 64 bit it probably isn't worth it
[07:15] <thoreauputic> hendaus: umm, no
[07:15] <binks_> xlinux__: what cmd you use
[07:16] <xlinux__> eljefe: im getting 5300, but im on a 7600
[07:16] <eljefe> it skyrockets if i hide the glxgears window though!
[07:16] <xlinux__> binks: glxgears      in a terminal
[07:16] <ubuntu__> how to reinstall  kubuntu without format??(i mean repairing)
[07:16] <thoreauputic> hendaus: sorry but I can't really help you - you have installed two conflicting things and that is why it is broken, I'm afraid
[07:16] <eljefe> glxgears -info btw
[07:16] <hendaus> thoreauputic:  so if i found different from dpkgs what should i type to remove one by one?
[07:17] <binks_>  on mesa drivers is there a fiesty ati driver out yet
[07:17] <thoreauputic> hendaus: you would normally just use the " rm " command - but it is risky since you don't really know what to do :)
[07:17] <binks_> 5700 fps ^^
[07:18] <binks_> typo sorry 2700 fps on my 9600 mesa driver
[07:18] <hendaus> thoreauputic:  but i want anyone help me with that, and let done these problems :(
[07:18] <thoreauputic> hendaus: your earlier java install has probably installed various files in the wrong places
[07:18] <thoreauputic> hendaus: I don't have a magic wand, sorry :)
[07:18] <DaSkreech> sivaji: What are you trying to do?
[07:19] <sivaji> DaSkreech what do u  want
[07:19] <DaSkreech> ubuntu__: What are you trying to fix?
[07:19] <hendaus> thoreauputic:  anyway thanx for your help
[07:19] <ubuntu__> how to defrag KUBUNTU?????
[07:19] <DaSkreech> !defrag
[07:19] <ubotu> defragmentation is not needed for Ext3 and ReiserFS filesystems. They are much more efficient in their allocation of storage units.
[07:19] <thoreauputic> hendaus: no problem - good luck
[07:19] <intelikey> ubuntu__ ?
[07:20] <thoreauputic> ubuntu__: you don't need to - and please don't shout
[07:20] <thoreauputic> !caps
[07:20] <ubotu> PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[07:20] <DaSkreech> sivaji: nothing I saw you asking something about a reinstall
[07:20] <ubuntu__> yes
[07:21] <ubuntu__> how to repair without format
[07:21] <intelikey> hendaus you can try reinstalling the java package from the repos and see if it will fix your mess....     apt-get -u --reinstall --fix-missing install <package-name-here>
[07:21] <DaSkreech> ubuntu__: repair what?
[07:21] <thoreauputic> hendaus: you could try   sudo apt-get -f install
[07:21] <DaSkreech> What's broken?
[07:21] <sivaji>    DaSkreech        ya ubuntu__ asked something i want to know whether it is possible or not
[07:22] <intelikey> that should over write the thing an "maybe" repair it...   wont hurt anything.
[07:22] <ubuntu__> all kubuntu
[07:22] <DaSkreech> sivaji: what was it?
[07:22] <intelikey> hendaus do as root of course.  ^  sudo
[07:22] <ubuntu__> my kubuntu very slow
[07:23] <ubuntu__> then my windows
[07:23] <sivaji> DaSkreech "how to reinstall  kubuntu without format??(i mean repairing)"
[07:23] <DaSkreech> repair what?
[07:23] <DaSkreech> ubuntu__: How slow? How fast is your computer?
[07:23] <ubuntu__> the all system to keep kubuntu runnung fast
[07:24] <sivaji> ubuntu__ check whether u hava swap partition
[07:24] <ubuntu__> the all system to keep kubuntu running fast
[07:24] <ubuntu__> i have that
[07:24] <DaSkreech> ubuntu__: How big is it?
[07:24] <ubuntu__> 500
[07:24] <thoreauputic> ubuntu__: you are not making a lot of sense here - what is your first language?
[07:25] <DaSkreech> how much RAM do you have?
[07:25] <ubuntu__> english
[07:25] <bacongrease> hi all -- ubuntu 7.07 GNOME desktop recognizes my 2ndary harddrive (NTFS partition)
[07:25] <ubuntu__> 512
[07:25] <intelikey> may i enquire as to the nature of that line of questioning ?     are you thinking that he has a memory leak and it's into swap causing the slow down ?
[07:25] <bacongrease> login into KDE, i cant see it
[07:25] <ubuntu__> how?
[07:25] <intelikey> !ntfs | bacongrease
[07:26] <ubotu> bacongrease: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[07:26] <sivaji> ubuntu__ u know something called kb mb gb
[07:26] <ubuntu__> yes
[07:26] <ubuntu__> 512 mb
[07:26] <intelikey> if it's ram and it's 512   i doubt that the m is needed....
[07:26] <DaSkreech> intelikey: No just want to know if he has like 200 megs of RAM
[07:27] <DaSkreech> lots of folks have that Double your RAM thing
[07:27] <intelikey> been a long time sense 512k  and will be a while before 512g
[07:27] <ubuntu__> ok
[07:27] <thoreauputic> I have 512 MBRAM and 512 MB swap, and it works fine...
[07:28] <sivaji> ubuntu__ linux can run in 4mb ram u got 512mb ram more that enough
[07:28] <EtherBunny> this probably won't help much.. but try "sudo prelink --all"?
[07:28] <intelikey> i have one box with 64m ram and no swap and it works fine.   another with 256M and no swap and it works fine.
[07:28] <ubuntu__> how to keep fast running into my kubuntu
[07:28] <bacongrease> intelikey - the weblink talks about using gnome browser to verify the mounting is correct and etc etc, but under gnome i am already able to see and access the drive (only in kde i cannot see it)
[07:29] <thoreauputic> sivaji: if you can get Ubuntu to run in 4 M RAM I would be impressed and surprised :)
[07:29] <intelikey> bacongrease konqueror   media://     not there ?
[07:29] <DaSkreech> sivaji: yes But Kubuntu cannot
[07:29] <sivaji> thoreauputic i said linux
[07:29] <kuma>  hi, im not sure if this is the right channel to do this question, but i try to ping a site and i get all the packages lost, but if i access it throug browser works fine, any idea what's hapenning?
[07:30] <thoreauputic> sivaji: ah so I see - I read the nickas part of the line, sorry :)
[07:30] <bacongrease> intelikey -- for media i see CDROM and Floppy, no IDE1.  (however, ide1 is seen in KInfoCenter)
[07:30] <DaSkreech> bacongrease: where would you like the drive to appear?
[07:31] <bacongrease> daskreech  /media is fine   (the disk is actually named media, and it contains my mp3s =) )
[07:31] <DaSkreech> :-)
[07:31] <DaSkreech> as well as whole heap of stuff more
[07:31] <DaSkreech> bacongrease: have you installed MP3 support for KDE?
[07:32] <bacongrease> a small heap
[07:32] <ubuntu__> i want to fix my kubuntu  to running very well before this
[07:32] <thoreauputic> !docs | ubuntu__
[07:32] <ubotu> ubuntu__: documentation is to be found at http://help.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com - General linux documentation: http://www.tldp.org - http://rute.2038bug.com
[07:32] <bacongrease> well, thats interesting, because amarok says i have no mp3 support, yet XMMS will play mp3 songs fine (under either gnome or kde)
[07:33] <bacongrease> and i have used the package manaegr to installed all the packages amarok told me is necessary to support mp3
[07:33] <ubuntu__> thanks
[07:33] <thoreauputic> bacongrease: right - different methods - you need libxine-extracodecs  for amarok I think
[07:34] <thoreauputic> !info libxine-extracodecs
[07:34] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, transitional package. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.4-2ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 38 kB, installed size 68 kB
[07:35] <intelikey> DaSkreech comming or going ?
[07:36] <bacongrease> bad thunderstorms in houston..knocked out power for a second and computer acting funny as a whole...will reboot
[07:36] <DaSkreech> intelikey: comming for a bit
[07:36] <intelikey> k just checking.
[07:39] <intelikey> anyone know how to clear this " dpkg -S LC_MESSAGES  "   so it's not regestered anymore ?
[07:40] <intelikey> i mean i use LC_ALL=C   i hardly need to reinstall those local* files...
[07:42] <thoreauputic> intelikey: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales perhaps? Or localegen ? Just a couple of guesses...
[07:42] <intelikey> ah crap.  never mind   it's in the .list  files for all the packages
[07:42] <kalorin> ok that's whacked
[07:43] <kalorin> my tax return .pdf wouldn't open in kpdf, but opens fine on the windows vmware with adobe
[07:43] <kalorin> ah well, bed time now
[07:43] <thoreauputic> intelikey: practically everything in the known universe uses LC_MESSAGES it seems ;)
[07:44] <intelikey> thoreauputic yeah that what i was just looking at.    and dpkg -S    is scanning the .list files  i think,,,  so i'd have to   sed  them to remove that... not worth it.
[07:45] <intelikey> i probably broke dpkg again....    doesn't matter i'm backed up.
[07:46] <DaSkreech> dang
[07:46] <intelikey> i also have a memory leak/bug
[07:46] <DaSkreech> intelikey: where is it from?
[07:47] <intelikey> DaSkreech kernel i think
[07:47] <intelikey> DaSkreech and i'm running the latest security/update  form the lts release
[07:47] <xlinux__> whats the network/ server for PCLOS.. im curious about it
[07:48] <DaSkreech> intelikey: viva la LTS!
[07:48] <DaSkreech> xlinux__: check http://distrowatch.com
[07:48] <tahsin> intelikey: why cant ppl see my display pictue on kopete ?
[07:49] <intelikey> beets me.
[07:49] <DaSkreech> tahsin: Which protocol ?
[07:49] <thoreauputic> tahsin: they are not wearing their glasses ?
[07:49] <intelikey> kopete is like an aim/msn thing ?    i never touch the stuff...
[07:50] <tahsin> DaSkreech: msn
[07:50] <EtherBunny> you could try kmess instead of kopete
[07:50] <xlinux__> hmmm no irc info...
[07:50] <DaSkreech> !amsn
[07:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about amsn - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:50] <intelikey> !info amsn
[07:50] <ubotu> amsn: An MSN messenger written in tcl. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.96+dfsg1-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 2488 kB, installed size 9108 kB
[07:51] <intelikey> who told me that was gtk  the other day ?
[07:51] <intelikey> says writen in tcl
[07:51] <DaSkreech> An idiot impressing other idiots
[07:51] <tahsin> DaSkreech: what do i do now ?
[07:51] <aubade> Yeah, Tcl/Tk.
[07:52] <DaSkreech> tahsin: what other protocols do you use other than MSN?
[07:52] <tahsin> DaSkreech: none only MSN
[07:52] <DaSkreech> tahsin: install amsn and use that
[07:53] <DaSkreech> it only cares about the MSN protocol so it's likely to be more in sync with the changes on the MSN server
[07:53] <tahsin> DaSkreech: so you mean they wont be able to see my display pic if i use kopete ?
[07:53] <DaSkreech> They change the server like every two weeks. it's really annoying trying to keep up
[07:53] <tahsin> DaSkreech: okay ill try amsn
[07:54] <intelikey> they have too    crackers like DaSkreech keep crashing them....
[07:54] <tahsin> DaSkreech: and is there a yahoo messenger with voice for linux ?
[07:54] <intelikey> oh sorry :)
[07:54] <DaSkreech> tahsin: they probably will be able to but you may be doing something slightly wrong (as I recall some protocols have specific settings) or it may happen suddenly on the next update
[07:54] <Andrew``> how do I find out what versionof Xorg i have
[07:54] <DaSkreech> tahsin: but since you only care about MSN Amsn is probably more your cup of tea
[07:54] <tahsin> DaSkreech: i have tried aMsn but didnt like the interface
[07:54] <DaSkreech> tahsin: Yeah kopete :0
[07:55] <tahsin> DaSkreech: you mean i can make pc to phone calls using yahoo frm kopote
[07:55] <DaSkreech> Andrew``: try something like X --version
[07:55] <intelikey> Xorg -version
[07:55] <DaSkreech> tahsin: hmm never tried that.. not sure
[07:55] <tahsin> DaSkreech: did you try Kmess ? is it good ?
[07:56] <DaSkreech> tahsin: Never heard of it
[07:56] <DaSkreech> !info kmess
[07:56] <ubotu> kmess: Instant messenger to use MSN on KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.4.3-2ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 1067 kB, installed size 2620 kB
[07:56] <tahsin> DaSkreech: is it good ?
[07:56] <DaSkreech> tahsin: I stay as far away from MSN as I can
[07:56] <tahsin> DaSkreech: lol why ?
[07:56] <DaSkreech> tahsin: Never used it :) ask in #kde
[07:57] <tahsin> DaSkreech: why :s
[07:57] <tahsin> DaSkreech: dont u have frnds who use msn ?
[07:57] <dogatemycomputer> hey.. is there a gui config utility somewhere that allows you to edit xorg.conf directly?  I don't need it but it was something I was curious about for a newbie..
[07:57] <DaSkreech> tahsin: hated the protocol hate the implementation nearly every person I know on it is either an idiot or blathers on for hours about nothing and wastes my time
[07:57] <tahsin> lol
[07:57] <DaSkreech> tahsin: Nearly all of them do :-)
[07:57] <livingdaylightg> Hi Guys!
[07:58] <intelikey> dogatemycomputer sure   any text editor
[07:58] <livingdaylightg> running Kubuntu with VMware here
[07:58] <tahsin> DaSkreech: then how do you chat with them ?
[07:58] <DaSkreech> dogatemycomputer: kinda
[07:58] <DaSkreech> It's brilliant! I don't :)
[07:58] <tahsin> lol
[07:58] <livingdaylightg> Can someone tell me how i upgrade the repos so i have all proprieatary multimedia codecs?
[07:58] <tahsin> DaSkreech: does amsn have the now playing plug-in ?
[07:58] <intelikey> dogatemycomputer sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf       kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf       etc etc etc
[07:59] <livingdaylightg> !medibuntu
[07:59] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/
[07:59] <DaSkreech> tahsin: No clue
[07:59] <tahsin> DaSkreech: okay
[07:59] <DaSkreech> tahsin: last time I used amsn it was less than two months old
[07:59] <tahsin> So not too msn fans here i see
[07:59] <DaSkreech> tahsin: probably are I'm just not one of them
[07:59] <tahsin> too many*
[07:59] <tahsin> i c
[07:59] <intelikey> tahsin not too many M$ fan's piriod in here.
[08:00] <DaSkreech> intelikey: MS isn't MSN
[08:00] <tahsin> lol
[08:00] <DaSkreech> related :)
[08:00] <livingdaylightg> !multimedia
[08:00] <ubotu> Ubuntu 7.04 installs multimedia codecs automatically. For older versions of Ubuntu, or if you can't use the automatic installer, see https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - For multimedia applications, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultimediaApplications
[08:00] <tahsin> DaSkreech: whats new on fiesty ? im using 6.10
[08:00] <DaSkreech> Umm
[08:00] <dogatemycomputer> i'm not referring to a text editor.. i'm talking about a gui that an average idiot could use with some pulldowns and such..
[08:00] <intelikey> DaSkreech did i misread you ?   did you say msn is not M$ related ?
[08:00] <DaSkreech> I forget :)
[08:01] <DaSkreech> intelikey: No I said they are just related
[08:01] <intelikey> k
[08:01] <tahsin> let me try amsn and kmess
[08:01] <intelikey> dogatemycomputer but.
[08:01] <tahsin> where are you guys from ?
[08:02] <intelikey> dogatemycomputer but,  i am and avarage idiot...
[08:02] <intelikey> ah!
[08:02] <DaSkreech> tahsin: the internet :)
[08:02] <tahsin> DaSkreech: lol i mean in real life
[08:03] <intelikey> dogatemycomputer i think there is something in the kmenu about display  but i've never seen it.
[08:03] <thoreauputic> tahsin: real life is ust a psychological crutch
[08:03] <dogatemycomputer> nevermind.. sorry for asking..  science knows I couldn't expect a more intelligent answer.
[08:03] <DaSkreech> tahsin: My name is Tomas a Anderson I work for a respectable software company and I take out my elderly neighbour's garbage
[08:04] <DaSkreech> dogatemycomputer: no it didn't
[08:04] <tahsin> DaSkreech: :s
[08:04] <intelikey> dogatemycomputer and when you say "edit xorg.conf directly"   what are we supposed to think ?
[08:04] <DaSkreech> tahsin: bah. you are no fun :-P
[08:04] <tahsin> DaSkreech: lol
[08:05] <tahsin> DaSkreech: cant seem to find the now plaing plugin in AMSN
[08:05] <DaSkreech> tahsin: write it :)
[08:06] <tahsin> DaSkreech: lol....that would mean im going backwards
[08:06] <tahsin> backwards with linux
[08:06] <DaSkreech> how come?
[08:07] <dogatemycomputer> intelikey: i'm referring to a gui that allows an idiot to edit xorg.conf in a confined manner so they can't do something to damage it.  When I say "gui".. that doesn't mean a "text editor" .. and the very fact that the responses were so short sighted to assume an idiot could edit them in a text editor.. that gives me the inclination that nobody bothered to even consider the question
[08:07] <dogatemycomputer> intelikey: honestly.. its the normal response I would expect from linux users.. and the alienating attitude that keeps average people from adopting linux to start with.
[08:09] <dogatemycomputer> intelikey: tell me.. would you expect your windows-using grandmother to just fire up kate, somehow figuring out how to get it to launch as root, then subsequently manage to edit the file without damaging anything while at the same time, for example, being able to fix a resolution or refresh problem?
[08:09] <intelikey> that was fun.
[08:09] <thoreauputic> dogatemycomputer: well, I believe there are projects hapenning to improve such matters
[08:09] <intelikey> now dogatemycomputer i'll answer your question.     "yes"
[08:09] <intelikey> happy ?
[08:09] <dogatemycomputer> thoreauputic: I didn't ask "is there a project underway that would provide a gui to edit xorg.conf for the average idiot?"... no..  that's not the question asked..
[08:09] <thoreauputic> dogatemycomputer:  *shrug*
[08:10] <dogatemycomputer> thoreauputic: the question I asked is weather there is a gui available to directly edit the xorg.conf that the average idiot could use?
[08:10] <intelikey> dogatemycomputer i answered your "origenal" question.    "yes"
[08:10] <fdoving> dogatemycomputer: kate, nano, kwrite, there are lots.
[08:11] <dogatemycomputer> nevermind guys..  its hopeless
[08:11] <intelikey> fdoving "directly edit the xorg.conf"   doesn't mean "directly edit the xorg.conf"   we are not reinturpreting his words propperly.
[08:11] <DaSkreech> intelikey: What's it called?
[08:11] <fdoving> intelikey: editing is something one does with an editor.
[08:11] <DaSkreech> fdoving: he means indirectly edit the xorg.conf
[08:12] <fdoving> DaSkreech: like editing a copy?
[08:12] <intelikey> DaSkreech i don't know.  it's in the kmenu.   the pointy clicky thingy for changing the screen size...
[08:12] <DaSkreech> fdoving: that doesn't mean the correct answer is now ssh -> screen -> nano
[08:12] <DaSkreech> dogatemycomputer: what do they want to change
[08:12] <DaSkreech> ?
[08:12] <DaSkreech> intelikey: that would allow you to edit the resolution?
[08:12] <fdoving> dogatemycomputer: are you looking for something like system settings -> Monitor & Display ?
[08:12] <intelikey> fdoving no.  you have to edit that file with a pointy clicky thingy.      we are just too stupid to understand that.
[08:13] <yeniklasor> dogatemycomputer : You can change this from control panel --> Root can log in like an user account. Then you will have all root... And you can do anything like windows
[08:13] <fdoving> DaSkreech: yes, krandrtray allows you to change the resolution.
[08:13] <intelikey> fdoving yes you named it.   ^   :)
[08:13] <DaSkreech> ah neat
[08:13] <DaSkreech> I'll try and find it tomorrow
[08:13] <intelikey> but i fell that hardly qulifies as  "directly edit the xorg.conf"
[08:14] <intelikey> feel
[08:14] <livingdaylightg> In Add/Remove programs i've tried to add the restricted format... it asks me for kubuntu cd.... Can i not get the program to point directly to repositories? In Ubuntu i did not have to insert a cd...
[08:14] <dogatemycomputer> fdoving: I checked "monitor and display" but you can't edit, for example, refresh rates..
[08:15] <binks_> ok is there a way to delete from my 250 gb hdd without it going into my recycle bin as its on a 20gb drive and i am deleteing a large set of files
[08:15] <intelikey> dogatemycomputer if you want to "edit" use an editor.
[08:15] <yeniklasor> dogatemycomputer : Do what I sait ;)
[08:15] <livingdaylightg> can someone please take pity on me?
[08:15] <aubade> @pity livingdaylightg
[08:15] <livingdaylightg> :(
[08:15] <aubade> Oooh, the bot's slow tonight.
[08:16] <fdoving> dogatemycomputer: unless the monitor is not attached when you start X, you don't need to edit the refreshrates. they are autoprobed by the ddc and edid-things.
[08:16] <dogatemycomputer> yeniklasor: yeah.. sure.. "grandmom.. just fire up kate, load it as root and edit the file.. but be careful.. don't change something or X won't load anymore and you'll have to send me the laptop if you want it fixed"..
[08:16] <intelikey> i would but your nick wont tab complete. "livingdaylightg"
[08:16] <thoreauputic> dogatemycomputer:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  :)
[08:16] <intelikey> you can edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out the cdrom line.
[08:16] <fdoving> livingdaylight: if you close down add/remove programs, and start kmenu->system->adept manager, then go to Adept->Manage Repositories you can select that.
[08:17] <dogatemycomputer> fdoving: if they were always autoprobed correctly then why would the option be listed in xorg.conf at all?  the problem is that, historically, that's not always true.
[08:17] <thoreauputic> dogatemycomputer: but Grandma won't like that either I guess :)
[08:17] <livingdaylightg> intelikey: i am in VMware so everything is a little different and new here for me
[08:17] <fdoving> dogatemycomputer: well, nowdays X doesn't really need a config anymore.
[08:17] <livingdaylightg> intelikey: i'm trying to set my kubuntu up in vmware
[08:18] <intelikey> livingdaylightg fdoving gave you a "gui" way.  i mentioned a terminal way.   take your pick.
[08:18] <thoreauputic> dogatemycomputer: what exactly is the point of this? Feel free to submit a wish-list bug...
[08:18] <yeniklasor> dogatemycomputer : What are you meaning of that? Grandmo you can use windows and I will formatting your laptop every month :)
[08:18] <dogatemycomputer> honestly.. the reason i'm asking is because I think there should be a utility out there that looks at xorg.conf, populates the gui fields and allows "acceptable" pulldown options for every line including the ability to comment stuff out or enable it.. and it should be able to save the changes and confirm the entries are valid then test them for accuracy and revert if something doesn't work.. (failsave script)..
[08:18] <livingdaylightg> intelikey: i missed the links...
[08:18] <thoreauputic> dogatemycomputer: submit a wishlist bug on launchpad...
[08:18] <smithw> dogatemycomputer: I couldn't agree more.
[08:19] <livingdaylightg> why wont my name autocomplete?
[08:19] <DaSkreech> livingdaylightg: take out the cdrom from your sources.list
[08:19] <smithw> If python-kde wasn't so underdocumented, I'd even do that myself.
 livingdaylight: if you close down add/remove programs, and start kmenu->system->adept manager, then go to Adept->Manage Repositories you can select that. <<<>>> <intelikey> you can edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out the cdrom line.
[08:19] <dogatemycomputer> okay.. now.. if there is such a utility then i'm not inclined to recreate the wheel and I assume (probably incorrectly based on the attitude of some holier than thou responses) that if such a utility exists then someone would point me in the right direction.
[08:19] <DaSkreech> binks_: use shift
[08:20] <dogatemycomputer> If such a utility doesn't exist then i'm interested in writing such a utility as my first journey into C++ in the next few months..
 why wont my name autocomplete? <<< because livingdaylight: beat you to it.
[08:20] <thoreauputic> dogatemycomputer: when did you first notice your attitude problem ?
[08:20] <binks_> DaSkreech: i dont understand
[08:20] <livingdaylightg> intelikey: actually i am livingdaylight
[08:20] <fdoving> dogatemycomputer: there exists utilities similar to your descrtiption, but they are not GUI ones, they are ncurses ones, because you usually need it when X doesn't work well.
[08:20] <livingdaylightg> but i got the damn g there at the end(misstake)
[08:21] <intelikey> livingdaylightg anyway  you did see the two answers above ?     they are the same answer just two ways to get there.
[08:21] <dogatemycomputer> fdoving: I don't disagree but that's the problem.. we would need a utility that allows basic editing then testing to confirm it works.. and if Xorg fails to restart then restore the default (or origional) xorg.conf and restart X again.  It would be very similar to Windows except I think you should be permitted more granular control without having to enter the command line interface.
[08:22] <binks_> dogatemycomputer: how you learning c++ a book or online im interested as i want to learn
[08:22] <fdoving> dogatemycomputer: then you would need a backened service running, checking that X org failed, then revert and restart.
[08:22] <DaSkreech> binks_: you are deleting in the GUI?
[08:23] <DaSkreech> binks_: and you don't want it in the Trash ?
[08:23] <fdoving> dogatemycomputer: or you could test the settings in a new X session on another display.
[08:23] <thoreauputic> dogatemycomputer: there has been discussion on the -dev mailing list about a sane fallback if X config fails on install
[08:23] <livingdaylightg> intelikey: yes, i've unticked the cd rom in the Manage Repositories dialog
[08:23] <binks_> deleting and yes not in trash
[08:23] <binks_> i just used sudo rm -r path and its worked
[08:23] <DaSkreech> binks_: hold down shift when you are deleting itt
[08:23] <dogatemycomputer> binks_: i'm going to take a fundemental courses later this year.. and i'm pairing that with Sam's Teach Yourself series.  Their books are very detailed and don't assume previous knowledge which is why I like them.
[08:23] <DaSkreech> It won't go to trash
[08:24] <binks_> DaSkreech: cheers
[08:24] <smithw> why doesn't xorg allow changing resolution etc. dynamically, without restarting itself, in the first place?
[08:24] <DaSkreech> dogatemycomputer: there seems to be a whole bunch of assumptions
[08:24] <fdoving> smithw: it does. google xrandr.
[08:24] <_4strO> smithw: in fact it does
[08:24] <dogatemycomputer> thoreauputic: well.. alot of the discussions i've seen center around correcting the problem after it fails (and this is usually done during the intiial configuration from the cli.. i'm more interested in giving users the ability to edit the configuration in a more transparent mode without actually making them edit the file itself)..
[08:25] <livingdaylightg> Guys, are we preferring Synaptic? is it still standard to be changing adept to synaptic as a first thing to do in Kubuntu?
[08:25] <livingdaylightg> someone got the command to change nick?
[08:25] <thoreauputic> dogatemycomputer: yes, I gathered - sounds like a good project then
[08:25] <_4strO> livingdaylightg: il like console and apt-get
[08:25] <intelikey> livingdaylightg /nick newnick
[08:25] <fdoving> livingdaylight: /nick newnick
[08:25] <dogatemycomputer> thoreauputic: I don't necessarily want to correct the reason for the failure.. i'm just interested in testing the change itself then restoring the config if the launch fails..
[08:26] <DaSkreech> dogatemycomputer: how do you "test it"
[08:26] <fdoving> DaSkreech: start a new X on another display?
[08:26] <livingdaylight> fdoving, lol, i see... i still have X-chat open in Ubuntu
[08:26] <fdoving> DaSkreech: with a "do you see this and accept the configuration?" box.
[08:26] <livingdaylight> _4strO, you're such a pro
[08:26] <dogatemycomputer> DaSkreech: as I said...  i'm just looking for a more powerful alternative than "screen & monitor" in KDE..
[08:26] <smithw> fdoving, _4strO: then why all the trouble with setting resolutions, having to edit xorg.conf and restarting the x-server? or xrandr only allow you to change to the resolution previously configured on xorg.conf?
[08:27] <DaSkreech> fdoving: with a pause button :)
[08:27] <fdoving> smithw: it allows you to edit configured or proped resolutions.
[08:27] <livingdaylight> is there a general consensus on Adept vs Synaptic?
[08:27] <oscar> speak spanish
[08:27] <fdoving> livingdaylight: adept is getting better.
[08:27] <dogatemycomputer> DaSkreech: well.. can't you start X, then tell the script, for example, to watch the PID and see if it closes within a certain number of seconds?  I don't know enough yet to know how i'm going to approach it.
[08:28] <fdoving> livingdaylight: not than synaptic, but better than it's previous self.
[08:28] <livingdaylight> In past versions people pretty much changed to Synaptic first thing after fresh install.. but i wondered if in Feisty that is no longer the case
[08:28] <dogatemycomputer> DaSkreech: as I said.. learning C++ is the goal.. but I would like a practical project to learn on.. and I don't wanna doo something that's already done.
[08:28] <DaSkreech> dogatemycomputer: there are loads of non fatal thigns that can happen
[08:28] <livingdaylight> fdoving, well that answers it for me then... only the best for me please
[08:28] <DaSkreech> livingdaylight: I like adept better :)
[08:29] <fdoving> livingdaylight, then i'd suggest aptitude. :)
[08:29] <DaSkreech> livingdaylightg: Whats the problem you have with adept?
[08:29] <thoreauputic> dogatemycomputer: there are huge numbers of potential options in the xorg.conf file though - tracking all of them would be quite a feat I'm guessing
[08:29] <livingdaylightg> DaSkreech: sigh...  controversy
[08:29] <dogatemycomputer> DaSkreech: well..  figure it this way.. if I can give you a gui with some pulldowns and options..  then wouldn't that be easier than trying to decypher a complete xorg.conf?  the gui could set it up in sections, give you valid choices in the pulldown, allow you to comment/uncomment text without having to know how its done in the background..  I think that's a good start.  Its better than depending on KDE to do it with their limited 
[08:30] <DaSkreech> dogatemycomputer: what are valid choices ?
[08:30] <intelikey> aptitude as a command line tool  is ok.   aptitude as an ncurses app is *supply adjitives to suit self*
[08:30] <fdoving> dogatemycomputer: like thoreauputic says, and options have different names from driver to driver. etc.
[08:30] <livingdaylightg> DaSkreech: well, i'm in a fresh install of Kubuntu Feisty, so i don't know hence i ask...but in past versions Adept just wsan't as good, am i wrong? I thought everyone agreed on that
[08:30] <dogatemycomputer> DaSkreech: well..  how about different resolutions, refresh rates, frequencies..
[08:30] <yeniklasor> When I using windows, and changing screen resolutions, I choosed what is can't displayed by my monitor. Than guess what happened, anything :) After every reboot I couldn't change anything because I had no display! But in linux I can change it with x conf. Guess what windows sucks...
[08:30] <fdoving> dogatemycomputer: you can do that with xrandrtray already.
[08:30] <fdoving> dogatemycomputer: change on the fly while running X.
[08:31] <DaSkreech> livingdaylightg: yeah it's been dolled up a bit
[08:31] <dogatemycomputer> fdoving: well.. i'm going to go check that app out..  and hence the question..  I wanted to know if i'm recreating the wheel.
[08:31] <DaSkreech> dogatemycomputer: :-)
[08:31] <livingdaylight> I am the real livingdaylight
[08:31] <fdoving> dogatemycomputer: it's not an editor, it's more like the nvidia and ati tray icons, where you can change the resolitions etc.
[08:32] <DaSkreech> yeniklasor: yup
[08:32] <livingdaylight> i was running Xchat over in Ubuntu and Konversation in Kubuntu VMware
[08:32] <service> wazaap
[08:32] <_4strO> livingdaylight: honestly i dont pass much time on adept or synaptic so nevermind, both let me install a package easyly so ...
[08:32] <dogatemycomputer> fdoving: well.. if it'll do the same thing then that's fine.  I've just looked at several xorg.conf's and they are really scary to newbies.  I wanted to give them a way of looking at xorg.conf while providing some guidance and explanation on what each line/option does.. while allowing them to still see the file.
[08:33] <intelikey> service
[08:33] <DaSkreech> livingdaylight: Hear what. Play with Adept for two weeks until it does something to piss you off then install synaptic. then detail what it did wrong in a bug
[08:33] <fdoving> dogatemycomputer: sounds like a good idea to me. :)
[08:33] <livingdaylight> _4strO: sometimes i just find gui's easier...
[08:33] <dogatemycomputer> fdoving: I don't wanna necessarily hide xorg.conf but I think if we can show them without forcing them to take in the whole file unattended..  then I think that would help with the educational process.  It would also stop the user from entering, for example, a horizontal frequency of "5" or a refresh rate of "12"..  make sense?
[08:34] <fdoving> dogatemycomputer: yep, go for it.
[08:34] <DaSkreech> dogatemycomputer: It's hella better. If anyone is really scared by xorg.conf then they probably would be freaked out by choosing a refresh rate as well
[08:34] <livingdaylight> DaSkreech: ok, that's a deal... after all i'm running Kubuntu in VMware to test it and have a Kubuntu experience not Ubuntu .. so you're on
[08:34] <fdoving> dogatemycomputer: i can recommend qt4+kde4 as an API. it's very nice.
[08:35] <intelikey> ah but come on  5.0  by 12  is so much fun
[08:35] <thoreauputic> dogatemycomputer: you might want to look at what dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does - not an X gui, but designed to do what I think you mean
[08:35] <DaSkreech> livingdaylight: leave me a message on memoserv if you don't see me on I wanna know what the people want :)
[08:35] <dogatemycomputer> DaSkreech: well.. see.. and I think if we could say, "here are your choices (pulldown) and here are the suggested options .. and here is what it does.. ".. and when you save it..  then it should respond, "everything looks good" or "your frequency is set to 10.. are you sure you want to do that?  its low."
[08:36] <DaSkreech> dogatemycomputer: I guess. if you could do something that educated someone to getting them to understand the overall file
[08:36] <DaSkreech> might want to run a bunch of stuff past seele
[08:37] <dogatemycomputer> thoreauputic: well..  the problem is that it hides xorg.conf.  I don't want to hide it.  I want to educate on what it looks like and "see what stuff you can do" without forcing them to do it.   Its for intermediate users who don't need everything hidden but don't want control over everything.  Keep in mind many are too advanced (and sometimes too intelligent) to understand or remember what its like for someone's who beyhond a newbie
[08:37] <intelikey> educate them to never touch a key board and you'll have....
[08:37] <intelikey> M$
[08:37] <dsmith> talking about surface?
[08:38] <dogatemycomputer> intelikey: well.. that's kinda the point.  Windows hides everything.  I don't want to hide it.  I want to show with education and some error checking.
[08:38] <thoreauputic> dogatemycomputer: yes, I understand what you are aiming at - sounds good - I was just suggesting that the dpkg-reconfigure tool might give you some ideas
[08:38] <dsmith> Linux is compatible with windows, windows is only compatible with windows
[08:39] <thoreauputic> intelikey: she's running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ;p
[08:39] <dogatemycomputer> intelikey: well..  I would like to, for example, be able to walk my grandmother through editing the file over the phone using pulldowns and such .. for example.. if she got a new monitor that isn't automatically configured properly.
[08:40] <intelikey> dogatemycomputer i like the concept you have "evolved it into"   just seems like macro evolution from what it started
[08:40] <dsmith> i swear I installed a HP 1022 printer last week in Fiesty, looked online for a driver, found it and installed it quicker then the windows driver.. I was amazed...
[08:40] <dogatemycomputer> intelikey: maybe she wants the refresh rate turned up or she wants a different resolution.. I can say.. "hey.. launch this app.. now ..  look for this.. now.. click on that pulldown and select 1280x1024.. now select 75 from that pulldown.. okay.. now.. click SAVE.."
[08:40] <fdoving> dsmith: linuxprinting.org is amazing. i did the same yesterday for a cheap lexmark laser.
[08:40] <dsmith> yep, lp,org is awesome
[08:41] <kiwiturnAUS> does anyone know how to install nero linux ???
[08:41] <DaSkreech> dsmith: I'm surprised you had to install a driver
[08:41] <thoreauputic> intelikey: your 90 year old grandmother learnt her computing on a PDP-11 and all this point and click stuff scares her ;-)
[08:41] <dsmith> lexmark 600 or dell 720 is easy
[08:41] <DaSkreech> !nero
[08:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nero - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:41] <_4strO> kiwiturnAUS: sudo apt-get install k3b :p
[08:41] <smithw> intelikey: I know I'm stepping on treacherous ground here, but... I don't think it's really a bad thing to never have to touch a keyboard. I think some people work better if they are at a command prompt, some if they have a GUI and some if they have both (my case). I think, since free software is mostly about freedom of choice, it shouldn't bound you to do some things that should be usual (e.g., making your video card work) on a console.
[08:41] <DaSkreech> kiwiturnAUS: Why do you want nero?
[08:41] <intelikey> thoreauputic hehhe
[08:41] <dsmith> DaScreech: so was I
[08:41] <kiwiturnAUS> why dont i ?
[08:42] <DaSkreech> kiwiturnAUS: no why do you?
[08:42] <smithw> I mean, if someone really doesn't like touching on a console, are they obligated to stick with proprietary software?
[08:42] <dsmith> k3b
[08:42] <DaSkreech> kiwiturnAUS: k3b is a lot nicer
[08:42] <DaSkreech> alt+space -> k3b -> enter
[08:42] <intelikey> smithw "it shouldn't bound you to do some things that should be usual" ???
[08:43] <smithw> DaSkreech: don't you mean alt+f2?
[08:43] <kiwiturnAUS> can u make basic dvd menus ?
[08:43] <_4strO> DaSkreech: is a katapult user :p
[08:43] <DaSkreech> smithw: No alt+space
[08:43] <intelikey> smithw no alt+space
[08:43] <intelikey> ooops late.
[08:43] <DaSkreech> kiwiturnAUS: I've heard lots of rumours you can :)
[08:44] <dogatemycomputer> smithw: well.. that was why I had that little blow-up earlier is because I see alot of people ask questions that are really noob questions that seem obvious to many of us.. but really.. its not to someone trying to use linux.  I think power comes in numbers so if we can get more people to use linux then maybe we can get companies like Adobe to opensource Flash, convert Shockwave or get companies to write decent linux drivers so we d
[08:44] <smithw> intelikey: I think my phrase got cropped: ... things that should be usual (e.g., making your video card work) on a console.
[08:44] <kiwiturnAUS> ok ill give it a go
[08:44] <dsmith> hmmmm katapult
[08:44] <DaSkreech> sexy :)
[08:44] <dsmith> after plaing with virtual box
[08:44] <kiwiturnAUS> whats the terminal promt?
[08:44] <dsmith> vmware officually sux
[08:44] <dogatemycomputer> smithw: part of getting people to convert is not scaring them away!
[08:45] <intelikey> smithw ok.
[08:45] <intelikey> dogatemycomputer message turncated.
[08:45] <intelikey> write decent linux drivers so we d
[08:45] <thoreauputic> dogatemycomputer: if pre-installed linux ever really gets a foothold, a lot of config issues will be less important
[08:46] <intelikey> and that really is becomming offtopic    i hope we don't miss someone asking for help.
[08:46] <dogatemycomputer> thoreauputic: You are correct.  Unfort in alot of cases what came first.. the chicken or the egg?
[08:46] <thoreauputic> i.e. most people's machines will Just Work (tm)
[08:46] <intelikey> the chicken
[08:47] <smithw> dogatemycomputer: I don't have so much high expectations like Adobe opensourcing Flash, but... I agree with you, sometimes it's easy to forget how a newbie thinks.
[08:47] <thoreauputic> dogatemycomputer: shades of Gullivers Travels, Big Endians and Little Endians ( Swift )
[08:48] <smithw> on the other hand, you can't expect someone to sit on a computer and do whatever they feel like without learning how to use it first. I always think of a comparison with cars: you don't get to drive until you get your driver's licence...
[08:48] <thoreauputic> smithw: I recently took time off from IRC because I was aware that I was losing patience, giving the same answers over and over...
[08:49] <intelikey> smithw if life were that simple.....
[08:49] <thoreauputic> smithw: It's hard to help people on IRC without using CLI commands - it's a text medium after all
[08:49] <dogatemycomputer> intelikey: I know I was probably truncated earlier.. I'm just rambling on because i'm a bit frustrated about, for example, my companies refusal to understand that linux is the future.
[08:50] <_4strO> dogatemycomputer: it's because you talk to them about ubuntu and not about cannonical
[08:51] <dogatemycomputer> _4strO: what do you mean?  *curious look*
[08:51] <intelikey> thoreauputic i second that.   i tried to help a guy get his mouse to do something for an hour one time and finally said "copy and paste this into a konsole"  and it was fixed in one command....
[08:52] <thoreauputic> intelikey: exactly
[08:52] <intelikey> it's just so much easier to fix a remote problem with    sudo blah blah blah      done.
[08:52] <smithw> thoreauputic, intelikey: you're both right, life isn't that simple and irc is text medium. But I think it should be built-in on Kubuntu (as an example, it could be really any distro) some tools that do the job for you...
[08:52] <_4strO> dogatemycomputer: when i propose linux for entreprise they always say, what are my garentee if something wrong
[08:53] <thoreauputic> _4strO: paid support from Canonical
[08:53] <intelikey> smithw so write them.
[08:53] <xlinux__> why does everyone say kubuntu is so limited?
[08:53] <_4strO> thoreauputic: that's what i said ;)
[08:53] <thoreauputic> xlinux__: who says that?
[08:53] <intelikey> smithw i do not C   /me ! si     i don't  see    you know.
[08:53] <smithw> One example: I'm on a recently installed Kubuntu. I did 3 "major configurations" on it: getting my video driver to be accepted, connecting to a wifi network and installing beryl. The first two I could only accomplish on the terminal, just beryl went kind of flawlessly.
[08:54] <DaSkreech> thoreauputic: hang out in #kubuntu-devel and help make things better :)
[08:54] <thoreauputic> DaSkreech: I'm not a developer though :)
[08:54] <xlinux__> dang near any person with another distro.. they talk about how limited and boring kubuntu/ubuntu is.. I dont see it.. seems like a lot of stuff to tinker with
[08:54] <thoreauputic> DaSkreech: I mostly help on mailing lists and IRC
[08:55] <dogatemycomputer> thoreauputic: I agree with you.  i'm not either but these kinds of issues and internal frustration are pushing me to become one ;)
[08:55] <thoreauputic> xlinux__: distro wars - it's all Linux, and it can do all the same stuff
[08:55] <smithw> intelikey: as I stated earlier, if python-kde weren't so underdocumented (I refuse to try to learn C++ for Nth time), I'd have written some tools myself...
[08:55] <intelikey> smithw well  two of those three i personally don't even think of as "needed"   so the wifi issue is the only real argument there.
[08:56] <intelikey> smithw hehhe  ok.  :)
[08:56] <dogatemycomputer> intelikey: that's exactly the closed minded attitude that becomes the problem rather than the solution.
[08:56] <xlinux__> thoreauputic.. yeah, well maybe with the exception of sabayon/gentoo, but source installs are just as manageable on Kubuntu
[08:56] <intelikey> dogatemycomputer i never claimed to have an open mind.
[08:56] <dogatemycomputer> intelikey: you have summarily decided that those issues are non-issues because they don't matter to you.
[08:56] <DaSkreech> thoreauputic: Good enough :-)
[08:56] <dogatemycomputer> intelikey: oh.. i'm sorry.. I thought you were here to help.. my mistake.
[08:57] <intelikey> dogatemycomputer no because beryl is "officially" not supported and beta.
[08:57] <dogatemycomputer> this is ONLY a support channel.
[08:57] <thoreauputic> xlinux__: gentoo people tend to assume their way is the only way to compile I notice :) They rarely know about apt-get build-dep , apt-get source , apt-get -b etc etc
[08:57] <kraut> moin
[08:57] <smithw> intelikey: in fact, beryl is the less needed of them, exactly the one who was easier to configure. about video driver, I really can't work on a 1024x768 screen, it affects my productivity. I need space on my screen... And although you may say it's just me, I guess a lot of people don't feel comfortable with a screen too big / too small.
[08:57] <intelikey> dogatemycomputer yes.  "this is ONLY a support channel"
[08:58] <intelikey> smithw but propritary drivers are not really an open source issue
[08:58] <dogatemycomputer> smithw: well.. although some of us would rather see you unproductive.. i'm sorry to hear about your trouble..
[08:58] <DaSkreech> dogatemycomputer: some things we can only barely support
[08:58] <xlinux__> thoreauputic- I agree.. cant deny there usage flags are nice.. but thats counting pennies on reasonable hardware... so much compiling time wasted if you have a decent system
[08:59] <dogatemycomputer> DaSkreech: I didn't comment on the supportability of the package but instead the attitude that "because it doesn't affect me then it must not be important"
[08:59] <thoreauputic> xlinux__: I always wonder if all that effort is worth a 1 % improvement ;)
[08:59] <thoreauputic> .. if that
[08:59] <intelikey> i understand the problem there.   my nvidia card is not supported.   but as with so many others    i don't "need" the 3d crap  and i can get 1200 rez out of it with the free driver.
[09:00] <dogatemycomputer> intelikey: I use opensource drivers but again.. that doesn'
[09:00] <dogatemycomputer> intelikey: doesn't mean we should summarily decide what's a problem for someone.. and what's not..
[09:00] <thoreauputic> dogatemycomputer: I think there might be a certain amount of tongue-in-cheek in intelikey 's answers :) Just a guess...
[09:00] <dogatemycomputer> intelikey: or what deserves support.. and does not..
[09:00] <smithw> intelikey: as much as like the open source philosophy, it's not like linux is going to be the leader OS in the world if it doesn't work with hardware companies that won't open their drivers.
[09:01] <intelikey> dogatemycomputer ok.  live by your standard.    make my vidio card do all it can do.    put up or shutup.
[09:01] <thoreauputic> dogatemycomputer: don't take it all so *seriously*, dude! :-)
[09:01] <xlinux__> thoreauputic: yeah.. they spend all this time on maintenance and bragging about there setup- do they ever get to USE it? I mean, choice of distros is nice, but I like how K/ubuntu is so transparent and quietly effecient
[09:01] <gaojian> 
[09:01] <dogatemycomputer> now that i've stirred the pot.. gotta get up in a few hours for work.. ;)
[09:01] <gaojian> 
[09:01] <dogatemycomputer> carry on gentlemen :)
[09:02] <_4strO> !ch | gaojian
[09:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ch - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:03] <intelikey> smithw ok i think right there is the main differance in philosophies      i don't care if "linux is going to be the leader OS in the world"  or not.   i like linux  i use linux exclusively  but i'm not trying to make it popular.   and that differance in "goal" if you will is the major differance.
[09:03] <DaSkreech> !chinese
[09:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about chinese - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:03] <DaSkreech> !cn
[09:03] <ubotu> For Ubuntu help in Chinese  #ubuntu-cn  #ubuntu-tw   #ubuntu-hk
[09:03] <DaSkreech> gaojian: ^^^
[09:03] <thoreauputic> _4strO: ch is Switzerland, BTW :)
[09:04] <_4strO> yes
[09:04] <DaSkreech> http://lifehacker.com/software/lifehacker-top-10/top-10-ubuntu-applications-265052.php
[09:04] <SilentDis> hello :)
[09:04] <DaSkreech> hi
[09:05] <thoreauputic> _4strO: ah, you are in .fr so you know it stands for "Cantons Helvetiques" I guess :)
[09:05] <_4strO> DaSkreech: none of this application are ubuntu apps !
[09:05] <SilentDis> I'm going to do a fresh install of 7.04, wiping out my 6.10 install.  /home is on a seperate partition, everything is backed up already.  Is there anything in /home/user i should nuke to make this go a bit smoother?
[09:05] <_4strO> yep thoreauputic
[09:05] <thoreauputic> :)
[09:05] <smithw> intelikey: I get your point. I, on the other, like Linux, but I don't use it exclusively (my main computer is a Mac, I just can't stand Windows). But I'd really like to see open source alternatives become more popular, and see people stop thinking sticking with proprietary software is their only choice (which, for some point-and-click users, really is).
[09:06] <DaSkreech> smithw: open source apps are slow starters
[09:06] <smithw> DaSkreech: agreed. they are like wine, they get better when they get old :)
[09:06] <intelikey> smithw linux didn't thrive for over a decade by trying to win the OS race.   and i'm not about changing it.  it's always been about freedom open source and choices.   not about becoming something that everybody likes/wants/has to have/needs   just about an alternative to that money/power/monopoly hungry other.    </offtopic>
[09:06] <dogatemycomputer> smithw: you should read this: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html
[09:06] <xlinux__> for some reason, when I open apps, a icon appears in the taskbar with the hourglass, and it sits there "opening" even after the application is open...
[09:07] <dogatemycomputer> smithw: if Microsoft has its way.. it will force hardware vendors to build content protection directly into their hardware which would basically prevent anything but Windows from running on most graphics cards..
[09:07] <_4strO> [09:06]  <smithw> DaSkreech: agreed. they are like wine, they get better when they get old :) <-- depend of the wine :p
[09:08] <dogatemycomputer> smithw: if linux doesn't become dominant then it could possible, if they choose their battles carefully.. they could turn every PC into a TV that won't boot unless its windows..
[09:08] <xlinux__> like when I clicked on DaSkreech's link, a firefox icon popped up and stayed there for 30 secs, even though the link open in my already open firefox window
[09:08] <DaSkreech> SilentDis: Do you have any problems with the current install?
[09:08] <smithw> intelikey: dogatemycomputer just gave a better argument for improving linux that I could ever think about so quickly!
[09:09] <intelikey> dogatemycomputer only the "idiot" buying the box can control that.  not the software writer.
[09:09] <dogatemycomputer> intelikey: well.. and right now.. the idiots are buying windows.
[09:09] <DaSkreech> intelikey: huh?
[09:09] <SilentDis> DaSkreech: It was a 'sidegrade' from Ubuntu > Kubuntu.  I'd like to clear out unused stuff anyway.  I can't download alt CD, as I live in the boonies with only dialup available.  my ShipIt CD arrived today.
[09:09] <_4strO> dogatemycomputer: the counter strike player too :p
[09:09] <smithw> _4strO: good point about the wine :p
[09:09] <dogatemycomputer> intelikey: so if you like linux so much then I would start making your fight.. their fight..  or.. of course.. we could just do what Microsoft wants.
[09:09] <xlinux__> theyre not idiots.. theyre ignorant because society WANTS them that way
[09:09] <DaSkreech> SilentDis: well ...
[09:10] <DaSkreech> SilentDis: what's more important a clean machine or keeping your settings?
[09:10] <_4strO> i hate ATI !!!
[09:10] <intelikey> or we could do like FOSS has always done.
[09:10] <dogatemycomputer> intelikey: what's that?
[09:10] <DaSkreech> dogatemycomputer: They can't do that by the way
[09:10] <DaSkreech> EU would eat them
[09:11] <intelikey> but you dragged me right back into that.   i said  </offtopic>
[09:11] <smithw> dogatemycomputer: unless it's windows or a mac... as much I like the innovative thinking of people at cupertino and their technical skills (they managed to build a bsd in which most users will never touch the console!), I despise their closed way of doing things.
[09:11] <dogatemycomputer> DaSkreech: hahahahahaha.. they can't do what?  are you really serious?
[09:11] <SilentDis> DaSkreech: I wouldn't mind keeping SOME of my settings, such as the Amarok DB (90gb music collection takes damn long to index lol), bookmarks, etc.  if they cause conflicts though, i'll happly thrash 'em and recreate 'em as a per-need basis
[09:11] <DaSkreech> dogatemycomputer: #kubuntu-offtopic :)
[09:11] <livingdaylight> DaSkreech: Adept has improved. One issue i remember now from way back when is that there wasn't a drop down terminal to see what was going on....this meant that installing things like flash and java were impossible coz one didn't have a dialog to tick the agreements and click forward... I see that is now remedied
[09:11] <dogatemycomputer> DaSkreech: omg.. I can't believe I just read that.  You really believe NVidia and Ati couldn't write hardware that detects weather or not windows is running and scale accordingly?
[09:11] <dogatemycomputer> write=build
[09:12] <DaSkreech> SilentDis: nothing will confilct. Do you know where your settings are kept?
[09:12] <dogatemycomputer> DaSkreech: that ATI and NVidia would walk away from profit sharing of that magnitude?  their shareholders would DEMAND it..
[09:12] <DaSkreech> dogatemycomputer: no not really
[09:12] <SilentDis> DaSkreech: for the most part.  /home/<user>/.kde and other . folders if memory serves
[09:13] <dogatemycomputer> DaSkreech: they could just produce hardware that acts funny under linux..  crashes occasionally.. really unstable.. does certain checks at the hardware level that it shouldn't..
[09:13] <thoreauputic> dogatemycomputer: while this has been interesting, I really think DaSkreech has a point - #kubuntu-offtopic woould be more appropriate
[09:13] <DaSkreech> SilentDis: right. ok .. what I would do is move my ~/. folders to somewhere else
[09:13] <intelikey> computers are not nessacary
[09:13] <DaSkreech> !ot
[09:13] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[09:13] <dogatemycomputer> DaSkreech: there is ALOT they could do and Microsoft has enough financial motivation to make sure it happens.. and i'm not inclined to simply assume they couldn't.
[09:13] <SilentDis> DaSkreech: just rename it?  /home is on a seperate part already ;)
[09:13] <DaSkreech> dogatemycomputer: very offtopic now :)
[09:13] <GC1292912> Guys how come I can only install ubuntu in safe graphics mode and then when I start w/o cd it goes to a black screen and doesnt load anything, not unless I boot up in a recovery mode, and then manually start gdm, however I wont have internet there or anything to update the drivers any can help?
[09:14] <thoreauputic> OK --- > offtopic is thataway
[09:14] <llutz> hi
[09:14] <DaSkreech> SilentDis: yes just rename it. When you reinstall a new one will be created. You can copy the things you want back like amarok and kopete
[09:14] <SilentDis> DaSkreech: kk, good idea on that.  thanks :)
[09:14] <DaSkreech> SilentDis: Anything else will be fresh
[09:14] <DaSkreech> SilentDis: wait like a month before deleting the backup
[09:15] <_4strO> GC1292912: ubuntu or kubuntu ?
[09:15] <intelikey> GC1292912 have you reconfigured your xserver ?
[09:15] <SilentDis> DaSkreech: kk, no troubles there.  /home has PLEANTY of disk space lol
[09:15] <DaSkreech> SilentDis: Yeah that's what peopel always say :) You'll need space at some point :0
[09:15] <GC1292912> intelikey: I tried the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg added resolutions but still doesnt work :/
[09:16] <DaSkreech> dogatemycomputer: not joining us?
[09:16] <st> somebody help me please with epson stylus c62
[09:16] <GC1292912> intelikey: only in recovery mode
[09:16] <SilentDis> DaSkreech: well... wait, how do i check disk space?  *goes to mount /dev/hdb3 while waiting for response*
[09:16] <DaSkreech> df -h
[09:16] <livingdaylight> why does apt-get not find alsa-aoss?
[09:16] <DaSkreech>  for how much is left
[09:16] <SilentDis> DaSkreech: ty :)
[09:16] <dogatemycomputer> DaSkreech: no.. i'm heading to bed.. thanks though..
[09:16] <intelikey> GC1292912 boot up in safe mode and run    sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg       and set the vidio driver accordingly
[09:16] <dogatemycomputer> DaSkreech: I appreciate the offer though.
[09:16] <DaSkreech> dogatemycomputer: ok :)
[09:16] <_4strO> SilentDis: konqueror media:/ and simply roll over each disks
[09:17] <thoreauputic> dogatemycomputer: sleep well :)
[09:17] <GC1292912>  intelikey thats what I did, set it to NV and still no dice
[09:17] <SilentDis> _4strO: thanks :)
[09:17] <DaSkreech> I really need to learn gui ways of doing simple things
[09:17] <livingdaylight> also xine-extracodecs didn't install
[09:17] <dogatemycomputer> thoreauputic: you also..
[09:17] <intelikey> GC1292912 you may want to visit monitorworld.com  and find your vsync hrefresh rates...
[09:17] <DaSkreech> livingdaylight: Hmm?
[09:17] <st> how do i set up my epson stylus c62 printer
[09:17] <DaSkreech> !printer
[09:17] <GC1292912> intelikey: thanks, any specific configurations Ineed for a 24" lcd?
[09:17] <thoreauputic> livingdaylight: libxine-extracodecs
[09:18] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[09:18] <thoreauputic> !info libxine-extracodecs
[09:18] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, transitional package. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.4-2ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 38 kB, installed size 68 kB
[09:18] <livingdaylight> throeauputic thanks
[09:18] <thoreauputic> livingdaylight: no worries :)
[09:18] <intelikey> GC1292912 probably but i'm not familear with lcd   maybe monitorworld.com  has answers.
[09:18] <OptimusRex> Hi all. My adept keeps saying that another process may be running or some apt-get and that I have to close that other process before I can run adept updates. How do I find out whether there is another process running and how do I kill it?
[09:18] <GC1292912> intelikey: thank you
[09:19] <tahsin> upgraded Kopete to the one that is part of KDE 3.5. Leaving the rest of KDE as 3.4.
[09:19] <tahsin> how do i upgraded Kopete to the one that is part of KDE 3.5. Leaving the rest of KDE as 3.4.
[09:19] <DaSkreech> !adept crash fix | OptimusRex
[09:19] <ubotu> OptimusRex: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[09:19] <DaSkreech> tahsin: You have KDE 3.4 ?
[09:20] <livingdaylight> thoreauputic: do you know about alsa-aoss?
[09:20] <tahsin> DaSkreech: i dont knw how do i check that?
[09:20] <tahsin> DaSkreech: i wana upgrade my kopete
[09:20] <SilentDis> DaSkreech: ok, there wasn't enough space lol.  had a mass of old DVD backup vobs in there, glad I checked rofl
[09:20] <DaSkreech> tahsin: what version do you have ?
[09:20] <DaSkreech> tahsin: help -> about kopete
[09:21] <DaSkreech> tahsin: help -> about KDE as well :)
[09:21] <tahsin> DaSkreech: 0.12.3 using KDE 3.5.5
[09:21] <DaSkreech> SilentDis: See? ;-)
[09:21] <OptimusRex> Ubotu. It has gone into setting up firefox and then returned to the prompt. Is that what has been locking my adept? The incomplete setup?
[09:21] <livingdaylight> DaSkreech: Adepts now haveing a drop down terminal means one can now install java using Adept
[09:21] <DaSkreech> You'll always forget
[09:21] <livingdaylight> DaSkreech: do you know about alsa-aoss?
[09:21] <tahsin> DaSkreech: can i upgrade it further ?
[09:21] <DaSkreech> livingdaylight: can't say I have
[09:22] <SilentDis> DaSkreech: it's always something.  doesn't help that it's 2:21am and i'm tired while doing this.  wanna get 'er done so it can update while i sleep lol
[09:22] <DaSkreech> tahsin: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-357.php
[09:27] <lowell> hi there people
[09:28] <lowell> my first time to install linux based os
[09:28] <SilentDis> lowell: welcome to a real os! :D
[09:28] <lowell> hi silentdis
[09:28] <lowell> im using kubuntu
[09:28] <DaSkreech> lowell: Welcome to Kubuntu
[09:29] <DaSkreech> Do you have any questions?
[09:29] <lowell> thanks people for welcoming me
[09:29] <smithw> lowell: Welcome to the open source world!
[09:29] <SilentDis> lowell: take the software, please! :D
[09:30] <SilentDis> lowell: not enough?  ok, take more software!  and give it to your friends, too! :D
[09:30] <lowell> yes i do have a question. how can i see my network. we have a domain here in the office
[09:30] <DaSkreech> !ad
[09:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ad - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:31] <DaSkreech> dang :)
[09:31] <lowell> yes ive been talking to my friend to install linux based on there notebook nd pc :-)
[09:31] <thor_> any lvm2 experts in the house ?
[09:31] <DaSkreech> ack 3:00
[09:31] <DaSkreech> !lvm
[09:31] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[09:31] <intelikey> !samba
[09:31] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[09:31] <SilentDis> lowell: you're looking for info about samba setup, most likely.  it's a windows network, correct?
[09:31] <DaSkreech> samba does domains?
[09:31] <lowell> i think i already have samba
[09:31] <DaSkreech> Hmm dnd't know that
[09:31] <_4strO> DaSkreech: yes
[09:31] <DaSkreech> In any case
[09:32] <DaSkreech> It's 3:00 g'night!
[09:32] <SilentDis> g'night DaSkreech
[09:32] <lowell> but then again how can i know if i have samba?
[09:32] <xlinux__> now tbird is freezing...
[09:33] <_4strO> lowell: how can i know if i have samba? running ?
[09:33] <SilentDis> lowell: easy way to be sure, at a prompt, type 'sudo aptitude install samba' (no quotes).  should install everything that it needs, if anything is missing, and just reinstall if it's already there (no harm done)
[09:33] <_4strO> SilentDis: i dont think it will reinstall it ...
[09:33] <lowell> ok hold on. il try that.
[09:34] <_4strO> SilentDis: just saying samba is already there
[09:34] <magi> hello everyone. I need some help
[09:34] <SilentDis> _4strO: usual default behavior for aptitude is to reinstall the package I thought.  I could be wrong though.
[09:34] <SilentDis> !help | magi
[09:34] <ubotu> magi: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[09:34] <thor_> anything more specivic to mountig a previos lvm2 volume
[09:34] <SilentDis> magi: sorry, wrong help info.  just ask your question, it's why we're here :)
[09:34] <_4strO> SilentDis: ok, i dont know too about aptitute, i use apt-get
[09:35] <magi> well, I made a mistake while installing the kubuntu 7.04
[09:35] <lowell> upon typing sudo at terminal , i got this mesage command not found
[09:35] <SilentDis> _4strO: it's apt-get on steroids with a little better dependancy handling is all :)
[09:35] <magi> I chosen the wrong keyboard
 SilentDis: i dont think it will reinstall it ... <<< not without a switch   it wont.
[09:35] <magi> and now I cannot type some of the characters.
[09:35] <magi> how can I rechoose the keyboard map?
[09:35] <magi> thanks!
[09:35] <SilentDis> magi: at a prompt, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg.  it'll give you the choice to change it :)
[09:36] <magi> well, I hope I can modify it in the console, too.
[09:36] <magi> i just cannot type the quota " in the console
[09:36] <intelikey> reconfiguring beloc*  ?
[09:36] <SilentDis> magi: it's all arrow keys after you get the command in :).  no quotes in that command, just the words between them, i shoulda been more specific, sorry
[09:37] <_4strO> magi: the graphic way : K / system settings / language and region
[09:37] <lowell> guys how can i joined our windows network. im using kubuntu now
[09:37] <intelikey> magi what locale do you need ?
[09:37] <magi> well, thanks for your help. but i don't think it works. actually, in VIM i cannot type the character '"'
[09:37] <intelikey> magi what locale do you need ?
[09:38] <magi> the locale is en_US, but the keyboard is not
[09:38] <_4strO> lowell: konqueror smb:/
[09:38] <intelikey> magi ok i think you can change that with   let me find it....
[09:38] <magi> i hope i can see the keyboard mapping procedure at the beginning of installation again...
[09:38] <_4strO> magi: the graphic way : K / system settings / language and region
[09:39] <intelikey> magi   sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow console-data      i think.
[09:39] <lowell> anybody here can help me regarding how can i joined windows networking, im using kubuntu now
[09:39] <intelikey> _4strO that wont affect a console tho
[09:40] <magi> intelikey: yes i want to affect the console also.
[09:40] <magi> i just chosen the wrong keyboard map
[09:40] <smithw> lowell: by joining the netowork, you mean acessing other computer's files or sharing your own?
[09:40] <intelikey> magi   sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow console-data      << i think.
[09:40] <intelikey> try it and see.
[09:40] <magi> intelikey: yes i am trying...
[09:41] <lowell> yes thats rigth smithw, im here in the office, and i just installed kubuntu
[09:41] <smithw> lowell: but which do you want to do, or both?
[09:41] <lowell> where using a domain here
[09:42] <lowell> smith i just want to see our domain here in the office
[09:42] <magi> intelikey: well, will it affect immediately or delayed?
[09:42] <smithw> lowell: like _4strO said, open Konqueror and time smb:/ on the address bar
[09:43] <smithw> *time = type
[09:43] <intelikey> magi that i don't know.   you may have to logout and back in   may only affect on boot  cause the script is in /etc/rcS.d/     i only messed with that one time    been  a while
[09:44] <xlinux__> Any ideas on why Thunderbird freezes every few minutes?
[09:44] <lowell> yes smithw and _4astro, you guys are great . i already see our domain here in the office
[09:44] <intelikey> xlinux__ momentary or solid freeze ?
[09:44] <SilentDis> xlinux__: hard freeze, as in have to kill the app, or just locks, then works again after a few moments?
[09:44] <magi> intelikey: okay, I will reboot the system and see if it works. thanks a lot!
[09:45] <intelikey> magi wait
[09:45] <magi> intelikey yes?
[09:45] <xlinux__> hard freeze.. it wont even come up from the taskbar.. just the title bar and an empty window
[09:45] <intelikey> magi i'm about to leave and don't want you thinking i ran off.  if that doesn't work thoreauputic or fdoving might be able to finish helping you with it.
[09:46] <xlinux__> it just started happening- its been working fine for a few weeks now
[09:46] <magi> intelikey okay, thanks a lot!
[09:46] <intelikey> i think it will but not sure.
[09:46] <intelikey> good luck.
[09:46] <SilentDis> xlinux__: did you recently perform an update?  i know firefox had one recently, i don't use TB, so i'm not sure if it did too.
[09:46] <lowell> hey guys i have another question. we have files on our network and i want to access it.
[09:47] <smithw> what is the default behavior for samba's users in kubuntu? does it share users and passwords with the system or do I have to create specific users for it?
[09:47] <xlinux__> just aptitude update and upgrade.. but im running Thunderbird 2 which isnt in the repos... I had to install it from source
[09:47] <intelikey> xlinux__   ipv6 possably ?     probably not.
[09:47] <intelikey> any way i have to go.
[09:48] <xlinux__> lpv6
[09:48] <xlinux__> ?
[09:48] <intelikey> gooday and good luck to your penguin
[09:48] <xlinux__> to yours as well
[09:49] <SilentDis> xlinux__: hmm... bad compile?  did it ever work?  did you use binaries?  did you install a self-downloaded .deb or hand compiled?
[09:49] <lowell> in our windows we have password to access some files. i already use our username and password but still i cant access it
[09:50] <xlinux__> hand compiled source package.. worked fine for about 2 weeks.. just started happening yesterday
[09:50] <SilentDis> lowell: it's been so long since i've had need to use ubuntu in a corp. network environment (job field change out of the computer industry).  I run all ubuntu at home personally, so I just am not sure. have you checked ubotu's help topics?
[09:51] <SilentDis> !samba | lowell
[09:51] <ubotu> lowell: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[09:51] <xlinux__> what was intelikey saying?
[09:52] <lowell> ok il check those links. thanks
[09:52] <SilentDis> xlinux__: when you hand compiled, did you 'install' to ~ or into /usr/share/thunderbird?
[09:53] <xlinux__> crap.. I went sudo make etc... I didnt specify where it should go... hes a genius.
[09:54] <xlinux__> wheres the default place it would install to?
[09:54] <SilentDis> xlinux__: ahhh.  i was thinking probably along the same lines... a recent security patch for an older version got written into it.  when hand compiling, i always go for ~ as it's destination on a debian system, just to be safe for that very reason.  I'm betting it installed to /usr/share/thunderbird or the like, and got mucked.
[09:56] <xlinux__> is tbird scattered all over the filesystem or just in that location? I dont know how im going to remove it now... should have check installed.. dangit
[09:56] <SilentDis> xlinux__: it's settings are probably just fine (they should be stored in ~/.mozilla or ~/.thunderbird).  if you recompile as user into your ~, and run it from there, you should be right as rain
[09:56] <xlinux__> SilentDis: hmm.. let me give that a shot
[09:57] <xlinux__> sad part is.. Id rather use Kmail.. i never could get outbound for Gmail to work
[09:57] <SilentDis> kk, kubuntu install is pulling package lists now.  on dialup, that's painful, with chat open, it's downright stupid.  take care all :)
[09:57] <xlinux__> you to...
[10:00] <sercik> hi! it is possible to instll a package from hard disk and automatically satisty dependencies??
[10:10] <epimeth> http://www.merchantos.com/makebeta/tools/spyjax/
[10:10] <epimeth> ack!!!
[10:10] <epimeth> wrong paste
[10:10] <epimeth> still, an interesting link
[10:11] <epimeth> so... does the new office work in wine... or any office for that matter?
[10:12] <epimeth> anybody home???
[10:14] <gc1981>   guys when I was installing ubuntu the only way to do it was in safe graphics mode, now when I try boot I alwahys just get to the black screen, I reconfigured xorg.conf put proper horiz and vsync rates (through dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg)  and still it doesnt work,    I can though boot up in recovery mode, and manually load gdm and it works fine on 1920x1200    please advise (sysinfo: geforce 8800 and 24" widescreen samsung lcd)
[10:42] <sercik> i receive a /usr/bin/esd not found how can i know in which package is that file??
[10:43] <crimsun> esound.
[10:44] <crimsun> (or in my case, pulseaudio-esound-compat)
[10:44] <sercik> Hi crimsun!
[10:44] <sercik> i'm not able to use compiz under feisty!
[10:45] <sercik> it starts but have no windows decorations
[10:46] <mike> install linux mint then sudo apt-get install kde
[10:52] <g1981c> guys I have an integrated SAS/SCSI adaptec controller in my mobo and I want to use my scsi hdd as a system drive, anyone can help to tell me what to do (right now its disabled in bios otherwise it wouldnt install ubuntu)
[11:01] <epimeth> kvm only loads its own images, right?  how would I load a windows partition I already have into linux?
[11:01] <epimeth> does vmware does it?
[11:14] <chakie_work> hi folks! can anyone enlighten a noob where to start looking for the settings used for when new media is found on a feisty system? i'd like to activate my own application when a certain usb-storage disk is detected (own camera management application)
[11:14] <chakie_work> the "System Settings" doesn't seem to be it, nor "Control Center"
[11:15] <chakie_work> are there any other "settings centers" i should be aware of?
[11:16] <llutz> chakie_work: maybe in the udev-rules
[11:16] <chakie_work> llutz: ok
[11:16] <chakie_work> llutz: edgy always prompted me for what to do when it found something and that was ok. feisty just opens konqueror and that's not what i want
[11:17] <llutz> chakie_work: hmmm. feisty asks here too. strange
[11:17] <chakie_work> llutz: so perhaps i've clicked in a "don't ask me" on edgy
[11:19] <chakie_work> and now i'd like to find the location where that is configurable...
[11:20] <epimeth> kvm only loads its own images, right?  how would I load a windows partition I already have into linux?
[11:20] <epimeth> does vmware does it?
[11:20] <chakie_work> and /etc/udev/rules.d/ isn't a friendly place at all
[11:20] <MaTiAz> epimeth: Isn't it listed in /media/?
[11:20] <llutz> chakie_work: hehe, nope.
[11:21] <llutz> chakie_work: i also think, it's not the right place for your problem
[11:21] <chakie_work> llutz: perhaps it's related to HAL after all?
[11:21] <chakie_work> these gnome technologies are all the same
[11:22] <llutz> chakie_work: sry don't know. other idea: "kdesu kcontrol" -> connected -devices -> memory-media (? german version here)
[11:23] <chakie_work> llutz: ok, so you have it in kcontrol?
[11:23] <epimeth> MaTiAz: wha?
[11:23] <llutz> chakie_work: not directly, but there's a list of actions according to different media-types. maybe that's the place to change something (only a guess)
[11:24] <epimeth> MaTiAz: I don't want the data, I want the o/s :-)
[11:24] <chakie_work> llutz: could be. i'll try to find something
[11:24] <llutz> good luck
[11:24] <MaTiAz> epimeth: Oh, sorry :)
[11:24] <epimeth> MaTiAz: we decided to go with office2k7.. so now I can't open any of the docs I get sent from the office without it!
[11:24] <epimeth> bah
[11:24] <chakie_work> llutz: there has to be a way to change it, as there was this nice dialog in the past :)
[11:24] <epimeth> stupid wine
[11:24] <chakie_work> llutz: thanks for the help
[11:24] <MaTiAz> :|
[11:25] <epimeth> so how would I load a windows I've already installed into linux?
[11:25] <chakie_work> llutz: ah, Perihpherals -> Storage Media
[11:26] <llutz> chakie_work: ah that are the english names.... ([x]  note down)
[11:27] <chakie_work> llutz: exactly the place i was looking for
[11:27] <chakie_work> normally "Peripherals" has been a place where nothing really ever changes...
[11:44] <Andrew``> ok is it possible to find out if libc header files have been installed after an online update?
[11:48] <luca> ciao a tutti mi serve aiuto!!!!!
[11:49] <luca> i need help
[11:49] <NiceGuyUK> !it | luca
[11:49] <ubotu> luca: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[11:52] <luca> hi guys i have a problem
[11:52] <luca> can someone help me?
[11:53] <NiceGuyUK> ask the question, and see what happens
[11:53] <llutz> !ask|luca
[11:53] <ubotu> luca: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:53] <luca> i would like to write in japanese
[11:53] <luca> but
[11:53] <luca> i've followed some guides on internet
[11:53] <luca> writing in the shell
[11:54] <luca> but now i have some programs like firefox and adept installer
[11:54] <luca> all in japaneseLOL
[11:54] <luca> and i don't know what i have to do to put them back in italian
[11:54] <luca> can someone help me?
[11:55] <tahsin> can anyone help me with kopete here
[11:55] <luca> please
[11:55] <_4str1> !ask | luca
[11:55] <ubotu> luca: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:55] <luca> i said
[11:55] <tahsin> others cant see my display picture while i use msn kopote
[11:56] <luca> read
[11:56] <luca> up
[11:56] <_4str1> cant wasn't here ...
[11:56] <luca> i would like to write in japanese
[11:56] <luca> i've followed some guides on internet
[11:57] <luca> writing in the shell
[11:57] <luca> but now i have some programs like firefox and adept installer
[11:57] <tahsin> _4str1: why cant anyone see my msn display picture while i use kopete ?
[11:57] <luca> and i don't know what i have to do to put them back in italian
[11:57] <luca> !ask
[11:57] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:57] <luca> i've explained my problem
[11:57] <_4str1> tahsin: dont know
[11:58] <tahsin> :s
[11:58] <luca> how can i write in japanese?
[11:58] <luca> ciao
[11:59] <luca> guys please help me
[11:59] <tahsin> luca whats wrong?
[11:59] <_4str1> luca i think you can try with : K / system settings / region and language
[12:00] <_4str1> then add japanese
[12:00] <_4str1> but i'm absollutely not sure about that
[12:00] <luca> i did it
[12:00] <luca> but i still can't
[12:00] <luca> write
[12:00] <luca> and now
[12:00] <luca> i've firefox in japanese
 From kopete preferences use "export a image" then select a image
[12:00] <luca> and also other programs
[12:01] <_4str1> luca: it's because you change the local values
[12:01] <luca> yep
[12:02] <luca> can i put them back to italian?
[12:02] <tahsin> yeniklasor: cant find preference
[12:02] <_4str1> luca: in a console type : locale -a
[12:02] <luca> ok
[12:03] <_4str1> luca: and then locale IT_...
[12:03] <yeniklasor> tahsin click at the bottom your msn adress then select preferences
[12:03] <luca> locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
[12:03] <luca> locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
[12:03] <luca> locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
[12:03] <luca> it says this
[12:03] <tahsin> yeniklasor: ooooo
[12:03] <tahsin> yeniklasor: i get it thanks a lot
[12:03] <yeniklasor> tahsin I mean click msn butterfly :D
[12:03] <yeniklasor> OK you are welcome
[12:04] <yeniklasor> tahsin are you Arabian
[12:05] <tahsin> yeniklasor: nope
[12:05] <tahsin> yeniklasor: though my name is i guess
[12:06] <tahsin> yeniklasor: are you ?
[12:06] <elev_> imagini
[12:06] <yeniklasor> yes
[12:06] <yeniklasor> tahsin yes
[12:06] <tahsin> yeniklasor: cool
[12:06] <tahsin> yeniklasor: i'm bangladeshi-american
[12:07] <yeniklasor> tahsin is Arabian-Turkish name as I know :)
[12:07] <tahsin> yeniklasor: so are you from KSA ?
[12:07] <tahsin> yeniklasor: yup
[12:08] <luca> 4str1:it says cannot set..........
[12:08] <yeniklasor> i m Turkish
[12:08] <tahsin> yeniklasor: cool
[12:08] <tahsin> yeniklasor: so you know anyone by my name ?
[12:08] <yeniklasor> sure lots of
[12:08] <tahsin> yeniklasor: lol
[12:09] <tahsin> yeniklasor: hey can i have xmms plug-in for kopete ?
[12:09] <luca> can someone help me to change the local language?
[12:09] <yeniklasor> xmms is not working with amsn and kopete
[12:10] <tahsin> yeniklasor: ohk
[12:10] <luca> can someone help me to change the local language?
[12:10] <yeniklasor> I suggest you to install amaroK
[12:10] <yeniklasor> amaroK is great
[12:10] <tahsin> yeniklasor: yeah i already have amarok
[12:10] <tahsin> yeniklasor: yeah its gr8
[12:10] <yeniklasor> yeah
[12:10] <gc1981>  hey guys I can insall ubuntu i386 with safe graphics loaded (otherwise it wouldnt install) however x64 cd wont install at all eventhough I have a dual cpu x64 system, any ideas?
[12:10] <tahsin> luca: i have no idea
[12:10] <luca> :(
[12:11] <tahsin> yeniklasor: where do i get a complete skin for amarok ?
 luca: in a console type : locale -a
[12:11] <luca> but it doesn't work
[12:11] <Fri13> tahsin: what you mean by complete skin?
[12:11] <tahsin> yeniklasor: i mean whenever i install amarok themes only half portion changes :s
[12:12] <yeniklasor> luca : sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:12] <luca> i try
[12:12] <Fri13> tahsin: you mean those sidebar styles or icon themes?
[12:12] <tahsin> sidebad styles
[12:12] <luca> ok then?
[12:12] <yeniklasor> I didn't install any skin on amaroK :)
[12:12] <yeniklasor> find there "en"
[12:12] <Fri13> tahsin: there is button on amarok settings what allows you download styles from kde-look.org
[12:13] <yeniklasor> then change
[12:13] <luca> ok i'll find ita
[12:13] <luca> cuz i'm italian:)
[12:13] <yeniklasor> yes Rocky
[12:13] <tahsin> yeniklasor fri13 : i installed a black theme and only the left portion of amarok got dark and the rest was as default
[12:13] <luca> XD
[12:14] <Fri13> tahsin: you wanted it to go whole amarok? (not just left bar and playlist)
[12:14] <Fri13> what was it name?
[12:14] <tahsin> Fri13: whole amarok
[12:14] <tahsin> Fri13: kore
[12:14] <tahsin> Fri13: got it from kde-look.org
[12:14] <luca> i can't find it
[12:14] <Fri13> tahsin: amarok use KDE color theme, you need to apply that kore color-theme for whole KDE then.
[12:15] <tahsin> Fri13: cant i just have that for amarok ?
[12:15] <Fri13> there is no way to apply color style for one application as style.
[12:15] <epimeth> how would I load an image of windows I already installed into linux?  kvm seems to only use its own images... would vmware work?
[12:15] <yeniklasor> regional language settings, you can find it under system. luca
[12:15] <Fri13> tahsin: like, you can use other style for one application by starting it from commandline: 'amarok --style plastik' but color style you cannot apply like that :-/
[12:16] <tahsin> Fri13: aah i c
[12:16] <luca> i put select system language
[12:16] <tahsin> Fri13: can you name i good dark colour scheme?
[12:17] <luca> but it doesn't change
[12:17] <luca> anyway
[12:17] <yeniklasor> after restart it will be your native language if you select
[12:17] <luca> ok
[12:17] <luca> anyway
[12:17] <luca> i want to write in japanese
[12:18] <luca> can you know how?
[12:18] <tahsin> Fri13: when i click on the k-kicker a menu of list of applications pops out right
[12:18] <Fri13> tahsin: you might want to search "kore" from kde-look.org.
[12:18] <tahsin> Fri13: the default one looks ugly so how do i change it
[12:18] <yeniklasor> add Japanese keyboard :)
[12:18] <tahsin> Fri13: without KBFX
[12:18] <luca> yes yes
[12:19] <luca> but it doen't work
[12:19] <Fri13> tahsin: so you want change kmenu how it acts? (not color or style)
[12:19] <luca> i expected that it would work like windows
[12:19] <Fri13> tahsin: or do you mean onlyt that button?
[12:19] <luca> but it doesn't
[12:19] <tahsin> Fri13: no i can change the button but i wana change the way it looks not the way it acts
[12:20] <tahsin> Fri13: wana change its colour and style
[12:20] <Fri13> tahsin: kmenu is tied to KDE style too.
[12:20] <Fri13> And it gets it color from style or from color-style.
[12:21] <tahsin> Fri13: so thats not changeable
[12:21] <tahsin> Fri13: i cant find a colour scheme names kore but there are others like window decoration blah blah
[12:21] <Fri13> tahsin: it's just follows your kde styles and themes. Separeted it cannot be changed so much.
[12:22] <tahsin> Fri13: ah i get it
[12:22] <tahsin> Fri13: i cant find kore colour scheme :(
[12:22] <Fri13> tahsin: there is one package what include color style too.
[12:22] <tahsin> Fri13: whats it called?
[12:23] <Fri13> tahsin: dont know, i have used it once.
[12:23] <tahsin> Fri13: is it theme/style ?
[12:23] <tahsin> Fri13: and how do i get beryl emerald working ?
[12:24] <Fri13> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Kore?content=54701
[12:25] <Fri13> tahsin: that you should ask someone else. I dont even use kubuntu. And it was bretty hard to get it working on it.
[12:25] <tahsin> Fri13: okay no prob
[12:26] <tahsin> Fri13: can you take a look at this http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Kore+for+Domino?content=55704
[12:26] <tahsin> Fri13: try downloading kore domino config
[12:43] <gc1981> guys I installed nvidia restricted drivers and it doesnt boot into gdm anymore, I ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg   selected proper driver as well input the correct horiz and vsync ranges, and it says NVIDIA under driver not NV ... help?
[12:56] <epimeth> gc1981: just change nvidia to nv :-)
[01:08] <younes> hi all
[01:08] <younes> plz I wanna a folder from kubuntu
[01:09] <younes> I wanna share a folder
[01:09] <younes> somebody is here?
[01:10] <faidillinger> yes
[01:10] <faidillinger> what's happening ?
[01:10] <frojnd> hello there
[01:10] <faidillinger> hello
[01:11] <frojnd> I have problem with VLC player. Music is faster than the video
[01:11] <frojnd> where can I repair this?
[01:12] <frojnd> I mean it's not the .avi file couser everything works fine with kaffeine. And vlc player all the sudden start this insanity..
[01:12] <frojnd> any ideas how to solve this problem?
[01:13] <younes> somebody can help me to share a folder in order to be access from windows
[01:16] <faidillinger> younes, check your private messages
[01:20] <RawSewage> younes, ok
[01:21] <RawSewage> younes,  sudo apt-get install samba
[01:21] <RawSewage> ok
[01:21] <RawSewage> I mean oh
[01:22] <RawSewage> faidillinger is already helping
[01:23] <faidillinger> ;)
[01:23] <faidillinger> but it seems he didnt check out his messages
[01:23] <faidillinger> np
[01:30] <frojnd> HOW can I "completely" remove package?
[01:30] <lunixman> what makes KDE unique from other desktop interfaces?
[01:36] <younes> " sudo apt-get install samba  " RawSewage thanks from the command
[01:37] <younes> download is started
[01:37] <RawSewage> ok
[01:37] <sivaji> !samba
[01:37] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[01:37] <younes> yeah samba
[01:38] <younes> now, installation is finished
[01:38] <RawSewage> hm
[01:38] <RawSewage> Feisty makes Samba easy, I just noticed
[01:38] <younes> share is enable now
[01:38] <RawSewage> I'd go to Settings - Sharing
[01:38] <RawSewage> Admin mode
[01:39] <younes> ok
[01:39] <RawSewage> I dont have Samba , so I cant do it but
[01:39] <RawSewage> You want it so you can add folders in that bottom box
[01:39] <RawSewage> Shared Folders box
[01:39] <sivaji> RawSewage  what this samba will do
[01:40] <younes> so i have tow options
[01:40] <younes> simple and advaced sharing
[01:40] <RawSewage> lets you share a folder on your computer with a Windows computer on the network
[01:40] <RawSewage> ok
[01:40] <RawSewage> which option turns the bottom box white
[01:40] <RawSewage> Advanced?
[01:40] <younes> ok i share it
[01:40] <RawSewage> ok
[01:40] <younes> so now i can acces
[01:41] <RawSewage> try it
[01:41] <sivaji> younes what u r going to share
[01:41] <younes> a folder
[01:41] <RawSewage> usually it's easier just to share a folder on Windows
[01:41] <RawSewage> and you can drag and drop to that
[01:42] <RawSewage> you dont even need Samba installed for that
[01:42] <younes> in advanced mode we have " used smba for windows" and " use NFS for linux/UNix "
[01:42] <RawSewage> just use Samba
[01:42] <RawSewage> and add the folder you want to share there
[01:42] <younes> so now the sharing is enable
[01:42] <RawSewage> does your folder have a little icon on it now
[01:43] <younes> sharing succesful
[01:43] <RawSewage> ok
[01:43] <younes> thanks a lot
[01:43] <sivaji> RawSewage samba is just like ktorrent or different
[01:43] <younes> i have a icon
[01:43] <younes> u mean client
[01:43] <RawSewage> samba is just for sharing folders between computers on your private network
[01:43] <younes> ?
[01:44] <RawSewage> on the folder youre sharing, it puts an extra little icon on it
[01:44] <RawSewage> showing it's shared
[01:44] <RawSewage> like a plug
[01:44] <younes> yeah a extra icon
[01:44] <younes> i have it
[01:44] <younes> :d
[01:44] <younes> thanks a lot
[01:44] <RawSewage> did you test it
[01:44] <younes> yeah i test it
[01:45] <younes> but command i user and password
[01:45] <younes> in windows xp
[01:46] <RawSewage> no
[01:46] <RawSewage> so right click the folder in Linux
[01:46] <younes> this the problem
[01:46] <RawSewage> and set premissions
[01:46] <younes> how can i resolve it
[01:46] <younes> ok
[01:46] <younes> how can i access without
[01:47] <younes> user
[01:47] <DIva> ORHEI
[01:47] <RawSewage> right click the folder  --  Properties
[01:47] <RawSewage> Permissions
[01:47] <younes> rwx
[01:47] <younes> so
[01:47] <RawSewage> I think set it so Others can read and write to it
[01:48] <younes> ok i will test it soon
[01:48] <younes> nice job
[01:48] <younes> thanks man
[01:48] <younes> :d
[01:48] <RawSewage> ok
[01:51] <Andrew``> Ok I dont know what I did.. but now I cant get into Kubuntu....
[01:52] <Andrew``> Fatal Error..... No Screens Found
[01:52] <Andrew``> anyone help me with this?
[01:52] <sivaji> when u get this before booting or after that
[01:53] <Andrew``> well I am trying to install nvidia drivers.. and went into recovery mode
[01:53] <sivaji> now recovery mode is working or not
[01:55] <Andrew``> brb
[02:00] <JuJuBee> Morning.
[02:00] <sivaji>  JuJuBee good evening
[02:00] <JuJuBee> Sorry, good evinging too... :)
[02:01] <JuJuBee> Gotta get out of this mindset that the world is here... where I live.. ;)
[02:02] <JuJuBee> I need help.  I have a workstation that uses NIS for logins.  I can see all of the accounts in my login list, but none of them can log in.  They all get login failed.
[02:02] <JuJuBee> What can I check/reinstall to fix this?
[02:02] <JuJuBee> It was working prior to an update last week.
[02:03] <sivaji> JuJuBee #ubuntu
[02:03] <flake> why is it sometimes when I close out of terminal and try to launch something like synaptic, it times out and i have to launch it again?
[02:04] <flake> the icon animates but it never opens and I have to re-launch it
[02:06] <akrus> hello everyone
[02:06] <akrus> i'm experiencing a problem
[02:06] <Jucato> flake: I heard that it's a problem with the kdesu program. there is some work being done in trying to solve that
[02:06] <akrus> with DBus and other apps :)
[02:06] <flake> ok ty
[02:06] <akrus> 'Failed to execute dbus-launch to autolaunch D-Bus session'
[02:06] <akrus> while starting bmpx or kopete from kde4 :)
[02:07] <akrus> but dbus is installed x_X
[02:08] <akrus> dbus-launch = not found
[02:13] <The_Un-Named> does anyone know a good file manager for kubuntu, not konqueor?
[02:14] <sivaji> The_Un-Named "apt-cache seach file manager '
[02:14] <akrus> The_Un-Named: dolphin
[02:15] <akrus> The_Un-Named: or krusader
[02:15] <akrus> :)
[02:15] <akrus> using both of them
[02:15] <The_Un-Named> thanks sivaji, I'll try it, akrus, I just saw dolphin on google
[02:15] <akrus> Dolphin to be default in KDE4
[02:15] <akrus> Krusader is like Total Commander for Windows. Using it while fish'ing and sftp'ing :)
[02:16] <akrus> could someone try to start 'dbus-launch' from konsole? :)
[02:18] <The_Un-Named> I tried it but some stuff came up, something about session ID
[02:18] <akrus> ok
[02:18] <akrus> nvm
[02:18] <akrus> mine returns not installed
[02:18] <akrus> so recompiling it
[02:19] <akrus> likely broken package for Gutsy
[02:20] <akrus> woot working now
[02:20] <The_Un-Named> ooh dolphin is pretty good :) thanks
[02:20] <sivaji_> hi
[02:23] <abushpepa> hi
[02:26] <shane_> hi
[02:33] <sampe> hey guys.... I'm having strange sound with my mplayer after feisty fawn upgrade... anybody else?
[02:36] <sivaji_> sampe  u may not have required decoder
[02:36] <sivaji_> sampe
[02:39] <sampe> decoder?
[02:41] <sivaji_> sampe add  plugins
[02:42] <sivaji_> sampe "apt-cache search mplayer" it will show u list of plugins and their uses install what ever u need
[02:42] <sampe> sivaji... ok.... thx, i'll try
[02:44] <sivaji_> sampe also check kmenu->multimedia->kmix
[02:46] <hendaus> somebody help please!
[02:46] <dwidmann> !ask | hendaus
[02:46] <ubotu> hendaus: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[02:47] <sivaji_> !ask hendaus
[02:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ask hendaus - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:47] <epimeth> how would I load an image of windows I already installed into linux?  kvm seems to only use its own images... would vmware work?
[02:47] <hendaus> dwidmann:  thanx, but i have installed sun java , and i want to reinstall it
[02:47] <The_Un-Named> yes I would imagine so, epimeth
[02:48] <epimeth> The_Un-Named: I'm looking for a "yes it will" not "I image so" :-)
[02:48] <hendaus> dwidmann: sudo apt-get -u --reinstall --fix-missing install <package-name-here> <-- what should replace <package...>
[02:48] <epimeth> I'll give it a shot tho...
[02:48] <dwidmann> epimeth: I think vmware has an option to use a partition, I think to do so *instead* of an image.  So that might be an option.
[02:48] <The_Un-Named> I can't give you a definite yes because my vmware won't start up but I really think it would
[02:48] <epimeth> lol
[02:49] <hendaus> sivaji_:  thanx what should be this to reinstall sun java -> sudo apt-get -u --reinstall --fix-missing install <package-name-here>
[02:49] <epimeth> vmware workstation?
[02:49] <dwidmann> hendaus: sun-java6-bin  and sun-java6-jre
[02:50] <epimeth> arg... paid license?!?
[02:50] <sivaji_> !java | hendaus
[02:50] <epimeth> garr
[02:50] <ubotu> hendaus: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[02:50] <dwidmann> epimeth: a problem?
[02:50] <sivaji_> hendaus http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty
[02:52] <hendaus> dmbkiwi: E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[02:53] <hendaus> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[02:53] <dwidmann> !adeptfix
[02:53] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[02:53] <sivaji_> hendaus some other process is holding dpkg
[02:53] <dwidmann> even if it isn't involving adept, that should still kill whatevers using it
[02:54] <sivaji_> hendaus use sudo
[02:54] <eeos> hi everybody
[02:54] <hendaus> sivaji_:  i have installed a java from other site, maybe it makes confuse
[02:55] <eeos> is there an application available to connect to remote xserver on anothere machine? I am working on a remote machine through ssh, and I would like to run kate on some configuration files, but all I get is kate: cannot connect to X server
[02:56] <hendaus> sivaji_: i installed this one -> jre-6u1-linux-i586.bin, how could i remove all
[02:56] <sivaji_> all means
[02:57] <hendaus> sivaji_:  i want remove all then install from the begining from package
[02:57] <sivaji_> hendaus kmenu->system->adept manager
[02:59] <hendaus> sivaji_:  i mean i installed this file from a website -> jre-6u1-linux-i586.bin, and i make it bash ./jre-6u1-linux-i586.bin, so it installed, now i want to remove it
[03:00] <sivaji_>  hendaus     i dont know may i know y r removing that
[03:00] <hendaus> sivaji_:  coz i want to reinatll sun java
[03:02] <sivaji_> hendaus i installed sun java yet i had problem later i install jre from java.com it become alright
[03:02] <sivaji_> hendaus have u configure jre
[03:02] <hendaus> sivaji_:  no
[03:02] <hendaus> sivaji_:  how
[03:04] <sivaji_> hendaus go to java.com u need to link u r browser in jre it is given clearly there
[03:04] <sivaji_> hendaus go to java.com u need to link u r browser and jre it is given clearly there
[03:06] <hendaus> sivaji_:  ok i open java.com now what can i do
[03:14] <hendaus> sivaji_:  http://java.com/en/download/linux_manual.jsp?locale=en&host=java.com:80 <-- i got the file from here
[03:15] <hendaus> sivaji_:  jre-6u1-linux-i586.bin <-- this one
[03:17] <hendaus> sivaji_ where r u/
[03:17] <jon__> can anyone tell me how good kdevelop is?
[03:17] <c1|freaky> u need to find that out yourself
[03:18] <jon__> ?
[03:19] <hendaus> dwidmann:  can u help me please!
[03:19] <c1|freaky> jon__: well ... "how good" is relative ... it has its advantages over other IDEs but other IDEs have advantages over KDevelop
[03:19] <c1|freaky> but its fun writing code using it ;D
[03:20] <jon__> well, I'm looking for a general one, multiple lang pref c, c++ and java
[03:20] <jon__> lol
[03:20] <c1|freaky> yea, KDevelop can do that
[03:20] <_Shade_> hi
[03:20] <jon__> k
[03:22] <_Shade_> what can i do to gain access to a remote desktop on my kubuntu machine from a windows computer?
[03:22] <jon__> c1|freaky: what about visual c++?
[03:23] <sivaji__> hendaus u got the instruction or not
[03:23] <c1|freaky> Visual C++ ... no idea ... i have nothing to do with GUI stuff yet.
[03:24] <hendaus> sivaji__:  i am here -> http://java.com/en/download/linux_manual.jsp?locale=en&host=java.com:80
[03:25] <sivaji__> click instruction
[03:26] <sivaji__> hendaus
[03:26] <sivaji__> hendaus
[03:26] <hendaus> sivaji_ ok i click instructon jre-6u1-linux-i586.bin
[03:27] <sivaji__> find how to configure for u r browser
[03:27] <sivaji__> which browser u have
[03:27] <hendaus> sivaji__:  firefox
[03:28] <hendaus> sivaji__:  help me please coz maybe i make confuse another time
[03:28] <sivaji__> ok
[03:28] <sivaji__> switch to super user enter su at terminal
[03:29] <hendaus> sivaji__:  ok
[03:29] <hendaus> sivaji__:  su or sudo su-
[03:30] <sivaji__> su
[03:30] <hendaus> sivaji__:  ok
[03:30] <hendaus> sivaji__:  hendaus@hendaus:~$
[03:31] <sivaji__> no u should get root@@hendaus:~#
[03:31] <hendaus> sivaji__:  so i have make sudo su-
[03:31] <sivaji__> goto session newroot shell in terminal and paste what u see
[03:32] <sivaji__> fast
[03:32] <hendaus> root@hendaus:/home/hendaus#
[03:32] <sivaji__> fine
[03:32] <wiatrpilk> hello everyone :] 
[03:32] <c1|freaky> hello :)
[03:33] <hendaus> sivaji__:  ok
[03:33] <sivaji__> hendaus u link browser and jre
[03:33] <hendaus> sivaji__:  i dont know
[03:33] <sivaji__> cd  /usr/java
[03:34] <hendaus> sivaji__:  -su: cd: /usr/java: No such file or directory
[03:35] <sivaji__> just  cd  /usr/java
[03:35] <sivaji__> just  "cd  /usr/java " without quotes
[03:35] <hendaus> sivaji__:  -su: cd: /usr/java: No such file or directory
[03:36] <hendaus> why -su showing and i am typing it
[03:36] <hendaus> why -su showing and i am not typing it
[03:36] <sivaji__> u paste what u get
[03:36] <hendaus> yes
[03:37] <sivaji__> u paste like
[03:37] <sivaji__> sivaji@sivaji-desktop:~$ cd /usr/java
[03:37] <sivaji__> sivaji@sivaji-desktop:/usr/java$
[03:38] <runi> Hello there
[03:38] <sivaji__> are u there are not
[03:38] <hendaus>  sivaji__ no not like this
[03:38] <sivaji__> ple paste what u see there
[03:39] <sivaji__> just 2 line
[03:39] <hendaus> root@hendaus:~# cd  /usr/java
[03:39] <hendaus> -su: cd: /usr/java: No such file or directory
[03:39] <sivaji__> ok goto that dir and make a dir java i will tell u how to do
[03:40] <sivaji__> cd /usr
[03:40] <hendaus> ok then
[03:40] <sivaji__> then mkdir java
[03:40] <hendaus> ok
[03:40] <sivaji__> now u try cd ./java
[03:41] <sivaji__> paste what u see
[03:41] <tdn> Does Kile have spell checker? I cannot find where to enable it.
[03:41] <hendaus> root@hendaus:/usr/java#
[03:41] <jon__> !ubotu
[03:41] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[03:42] <sivaji__> make u r downloaded file setup
[03:43] <sivaji__> sorry make u r downloaded file executable
[03:43] <hendaus> sivaji__:  how
[03:43] <hendaus> sivaji__:  jre-6u1-linux-i586.bin
[03:44] <sivaji__> ya right click ->properties ->permission->executable
[03:44] <sivaji__> ok
[03:44] <hendaus> ok
[03:44] <hendaus> ok
[03:44] <hendaus> and then
[03:45] <sivaji__> now enter the path where u gave  jre-6u1-linux-i586.bin
[03:45] <sivaji__> now enter the path where u have  jre-6u1-linux-i586.bin
[03:45] <hendaus> enter the path where
[03:45] <sivaji__> eg "/home/sivaji/package/jre.bin" in terminal
[03:46] <hendaus> ./home/hendaus/jre-6u1-linux-i586.bin
[03:46] <sivaji__> have u done that
[03:46] <hendaus> yes
[03:46] <sivaji__> it will start installation
[03:47] <hendaus> and now
[03:47] <sivaji__> it will start installation
[03:47] <sivaji__> paste what u see in terminal
[03:48] <sivaji__> hendaus r u there
[03:48] <sivaji__> hendaus
[03:48] <hendaus> Do you agree to the above license terms? [yes or no
[03:48] <sivaji__> yes
[03:49] <hendaus> Done
[03:49] <hendaus> root@hendaus:/usr/java#
[03:49] <sivaji__> type ls
[03:50] <hendaus> jre1.6.0_01
[03:51] <sivaji__> ok u need to enable and configure if u dont do this i will not work
[03:51] <hendaus> sivaji__:  ok
[03:52] <sivaji__> go to /usr/lib
[03:52] <hendaus> how cd /usb/lib
[03:52] <sivaji__> yes
[03:52] <hendaus> -su: cd: /usb/lib: No such file or directory
[03:53] <hendaus> sivaji__:  energy gone here, my battery switch off after  minutes,please can u send for me the instructions what can i do on my email
[03:53] <hendaus> thanx
[03:54] <sivaji__> hendaus  http://java.com/en/download/help/5000010500.xml#enable
[03:54] <sivaji__> are u there
[03:54] <hendaus> yes
[03:54] <hendaus> u got my private message?
[03:55] <sivaji__> hey i said /usr not usb
[03:55] <sivaji__> no
[03:55] <hendaus> root@hendaus:/usr/lib#
[03:55] <sivaji__> hendaus sivaji_2009@yahoo.com
[03:55] <hendaus> sorry
[03:55] <sivaji__> ok
[03:55] <hendaus> ok thanx
[03:56] <sivaji__> just must enable otherwise it wont work
[04:04] <arthur_kalm> hi everyone, I'm using an nVidia 6600 GT PCI-E with dual monitors. I set it up using nvidia-settings and frequently the second monitor just stops working (turns off). I usually have to restart X in order to get the second monitor working again. This usually happens when I lock and then unlock my computer.
[04:05] <arthur_kalm> here is my xorg.conf: http://paste.plone.org/14956
[04:05] <TheCreationist> I just installed Feisty on a friend's computer (after MUCH trouble).  But I'm having trouble getting the wireless connection working.  KNetworkManager finds the card and network just fine, but it won't connect.  Anyone have any ideas?
[04:07] <Balaams_Miracle> TheCreationist: Have you tried ubuntuforums.org yet? Often the solution to certain problems are already posted there
[04:08] <TheCreationist> Balaams_Miracle: I'm searching them now.  Problem is I don't have easy access to my friend's computer right now ... I'm at my own house since she, obviously, has no internet :)
[04:09] <Balaams_Miracle> TheCreationist: I sort of expected you'd say something like that :-)))
[04:09] <tomg> hi all, anyone help me with an X problem?
[04:09] <tomg> Mesa 6.5.2 implementation error: i915_program_error: Exceeded max nr indirect texture lookups
[04:09] <tomg> Please report at bugzilla.freedesktop.org
[04:09] <TheCreationist> Balaams_Miracle: A lot of the solutions require downloading packages... which can't be done until the internet works.  I know that when I did a command-line only install, the network worked flawlessly.
[04:09] <tomg> then my game crashes
[04:10] <n8k99> webcam works- kopete doesn'
[04:10] <n8k99> t
[04:12] <Balaams_Miracle> TheCreationist: You may want to check to see if these packages aren't present on the CD... I usually do that by starting a live CD in a virtual machine with the virtual network disabled and see what shows up in Synaptic
[04:13] <Balaams_Miracle> Though you may want to use Aptitude :-)
[04:13] <[GuS] > Hi
[04:17] <DexterF> hi
[04:17] <DexterF> why are highly experimental kernel options in a stable release like "USB SUSPEND"?
[04:17] <DexterF> this one won't work with my hub
[04:18] <DexterF> !dvb
[04:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dvb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:18] <DexterF> !mpeg2
[04:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mpeg2 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:18] <Daisuke_Ido> DexterF: because they wanted to.
[04:19] <thomax_> hi
[04:19] <DexterF> are any developers here anyway or this a pure user channel?
[04:20] <TheCreationist> I just installed Feisty on a friend's computer, but cannot get her wireless connection working.  It recognizes the card just fine (RaLink RT2500) and lists available networks, but will not connect to them.  Any ideas?
[04:20] <DexterF> another thing, just wanted to watch some DVB via kaffeine, but it won't work, says...
[04:20] <DexterF> no plugin for /home/dexter/.kaxtv1.ts
[04:20] <thomax_> I used to have this applet in mu Panel which had my CPU clock in it, and the temp, now I forgot how it was named adn I can't find it anymore, does any of you accidentaly know the name of this aplet?
[04:21] <DexterF> then lots of stuff aobut xine and XviD decoders (which is funny since DVB is MPEG2-TS)
[04:22] <thomax_> anyone?
[04:22] <DexterF> !codecs
[04:22] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:23] <thomax_> DexterF: use vlc, it always works
[04:23] <thomax_> and much more settings you can play with
[04:23] <Balaams_Miracle> thomax_: You are not speking of the CPU Frequency Scaling monitor, are you?
[04:23] <DexterF> thomax_: can vlc timeshift? no it cant
[04:23] <thomax_> could be
[04:23] <thomax_> DexterF: timeshift?
[04:24] <DexterF> thomax_: can vlc record streams? or time recordings?
[04:24] <DexterF> can it do dvb at all?
[04:24] <thomax_> I guess so
[04:25] <thomax_> Balaams_Miracle: I'm talking about a kde applet
[04:25] <dfeser> hi there!
[04:25] <dfeser> i have some problems with openoffice under feisty
[04:26] <thomax_> and the problem is?
[04:27] <dfeser> all the menus and so on have just strange symbols...there is no text
[04:27] <dfeser> semms as if there is a font missing?!
[04:27] <gnomefreak> dfeser: screenshot?
[04:27] <gnomefreak> dfeser: what OO.o theme are you using
[04:27] <frodo> do some1 have any tip fot installing skype?
[04:27] <dfeser> deafult...
[04:28] <Balaams_Miracle> thomax_: This applet you were talking about. Was it one that kame with Kubuntu or did you install it afterwards?
[04:29] <dfeser> this error: (process:7981): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: gtype.c:2242: initialization assertion failed, use IA__g_type_init() prior to this function
[04:29] <dfeser> and this one: (process:7981): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_screen_get_font_options: assertion `GDK_IS_SCREEN (screen)' failed
[04:30] <thomax_> Balaams_Miracle: thats the problem, I don't remember. it had no images on it it just said Temp: X C, CPU0: XXX GHz, CPU1: XXX GHz, underneath eachother
[04:30] <demolitio> I don't know If i've joined the right channel, but i'm experiencing a very annoying issue,,, I just clean installed kubuntu 7.04, and everything was working pefectly. I booted into my windows install, then came back to it later, and now I don't have any sound. kmix is configured properly, all sliders are at max.... just no sound.
[04:30] <DexterF> ok: how do I install wmx and xvid and css and such? the bot points me at ubuntu instructions, unuseful here.
[04:30] <DexterF> wmv that is
[04:30] <gnomefreak> !sound | demolitio
[04:31] <ubotu> demolitio: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[04:31] <thomax_> DexterF: w32codecs?
[04:32] <icecruncher> what does it mean when i get an error like "cant find X libraries" while configuring? any ideas how to solve?
[04:32] <thomax_> Balaams_Miracle: 3 nice lines of usefull information ^^
[04:32] <thomax_> icecruncher: install xorg development packages
[04:33] <icecruncher> thomax_: therir name being?
[04:33] <Balaams_Miracle> thomax_: So the applet itself didn't have an image either? It just displayed that text in the panel?
[04:33] <thomax_> Balaams_Miracle: jup
[04:33] <DexterF> thomax_: well everyone told me that with 7.04 installing restiricted packs like graphics frivers, codecs and such was such a breeze, and I know how to find them in Adept, but after all I wanted to do it as easy as possible for once.
[04:33] <Balaams_Miracle> thomax_: Good, now i know what to look for :-)
[04:33] <gnomefreak> demolitio: read the link and follow the instructions. im not a sound devel (thank goodness)
[04:34] <thomax_> Balaams_Miracle:  and I could configure it wheter it would show a line or not,
[04:35] <icecruncher> thomax_: nmn, thks
[04:35] <thomax_> icecruncher: xorg-dev, xserver-xorg-dev
[04:35] <icecruncher> thomax_: just found myself lol, thks
[04:35] <thomax_> aight
[04:35] <thomax_> np
[04:36] <dfeser> can noone help me?
[04:36] <icecruncher> dfeser: with?
[04:36] <Balaams_Miracle> thomax_: Well, it is some kind of system monitor (not telling you anything new, i'm sure). Have you tried finding it in SuperKaramba?
[04:36] <dfeser> openoffice problems
[04:36] <DexterF> dfeser: where did you get those OOo packs? official kub mirror?
[04:36] <dfeser> yes of course
[04:36] <DexterF> sound like a font or locales issue.
[04:37] <DexterF> screenie would help
[04:37] <thomax_> Balaams_Miracle: it's no superkarama I think, it was in my panel, and if i'm correct, superkaramba is on your desktop
[04:37] <DexterF> ksnapshot, then put on ... photobucket or imageshack
[04:37] <dfeser> but where should I upload it?
[04:38] <thomax_> Balaams_Miracle: I'll install it anyway and have a look, but it looked quite kde integrated
[04:38] <DexterF> (if those are still free. haven't used them for a while)
[04:38] <thomax_> Balaams_Miracle: with the configuration option and all
[04:38] <thomax_> DexterF: still free ^^
[04:38] <Balaams_Miracle> thomax_: Okay, then i'll continue looking for other stuff that i hope will be what you are looking for
[04:39] <thomax_> Balaams_Miracle: thanx m8
[04:40] <thomax_> Balaams_Miracle: check #thomax
[04:40] <DexterF> thomax_: um, ok, I don't even see w32codecs in adept. all repos enabled.
[04:40] <thomax_> DexterF: 1 sec
[04:40] <DexterF> uh huh
[04:41] <demolitio> Ubotu: already checked to see if the sound system was enabled. my soundcard was detected (SB Audigy 2 ZS), and I've tried anything under "debugging sound problems"  (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems). again the sound was working fine after I initially tested it, and I havent added anything to the install. Sound is working perfectly in my windows install, I just don't know what happened to make this
[04:41] <demolitio> happen. am I to assume this is a bug?
[04:41] <demolitio> whoopsier.
[04:41] <demolitio> didn't relize he was a bot. oh my.
[04:44] <dfeser> Dexterf here ist the screenshot http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z110/Layer_8/Bildschirmphoto1.jpg
[04:44] <bastid_raZor> isn't win32codecs outdated an mainly unused anymore?
[04:45] <DexterF> dfeser: most likely font issue. did you mess with fonts, X config or so?
[04:45] <dfeser> don't know...but every other programm works fine
[04:46] <DexterF> first entry should be "Datei", I guess. if it was a n utf/locales thing, there would be more chars/symbols.
[04:46] <DexterF> odd. don't really know what to do.
[04:46] <soon> Hi folks ... I have a standard 7.04 setup with Thunderbird. I've messed around a little with the location of the Mail folder, but its working fine - EXCEPT any filter rule that I create is deleted when Thunderbird is shutdown ...
[04:47] <DexterF> you could strace the call and grep for open calls on ttf and see if there's something weird.
[04:47] <soon> any ideas why?
[04:48] <dfeser> solved: i had choosen a different font type for kde...
[04:49] <DexterF> tadaa
[04:49] <BluesKaj> soon, if you've moved the default location of the mail folder , perhaps that's the problem
[04:49] <brucey> is this chat thing global???
[04:49] <DexterF> dfeser: which one? (curios)
[04:49] <brucey> kubuntu
[04:49] <soon> BluesKaj ... I did move it ... but I've moved it back again
[04:49] <DexterF> brucey: what do you mean?
[04:49] <BluesKaj> brucey, g;obal?
[04:50] <BluesKaj> soon ,,have you reloggeed in since ?
[04:50] <brucey> i mean like theres so many people to talk to on here
[04:50] <soon> relogged?
[04:50] <BluesKaj> yes
[04:50] <soon> what do you mean - what is relogged?
[04:50] <DexterF> brucey: yes, you can log into the freenode servers from everywhere on the globe.
[04:50] <brucey> can i talk to one person???
[04:51] <DexterF> brucey: you're new to irc, huh?
[04:51] <BluesKaj> brucey , just ask your question
[04:51] <brucey> yes lol
[04:51] <BluesKaj> hehe DexterF
[04:51] <soon> you can even talk to yourself :-)
[04:51] <dfeser> dexterf forgot it...sorry
[04:51] <brucey> oh?
[04:52] <brucey> any chicks on here lol
[04:52] <BluesKaj> another IM er discovers the benefits of IRC
[04:52] <Daisuke_Ido> whoa.  this is a help channel for kubuntu
[04:52] <Daisuke_Ido> NOT a singles' bar.
[04:52] <DexterF> dfeser: nvm. in general I recommend go with DejaVu if possible, they're doing quite a job there. not for everyones taste perhaps
[04:52] <Balaams_Miracle> brucey: Don't be silly, baby chickens can't type!
[04:52] <brucey> oh?
[04:53] <soon> BluesKaj - what is relogging in TB?
[04:53] <BluesKaj> brucey, very international here
[04:53] <brucey> i ment girls lol
[04:53] <DexterF> brucey: uh... :)  this isn't really the place to dig chicks, pretty much like selling playboys in an amish community :D
[04:53] <mikelima> Hi all, a quick question...
[04:53] <brucey> no u dont understand
[04:53] <Balaams_Miracle> brucey: all the girls that used to be here were chased away by people who were only interested in dating them
[04:53] <soon> DexterF : What is this (say out loud to your self ):  clip clop clip clop clip clop clip clop clip clop clip clop  BANG BANG clip clop clip clop clip clop  ???
[04:54] <BluesKaj> go back to your spalsh scrn , soon ... ctrl+alt+backspace
[04:54] <mikelima> I need a separate reload button in konqueror. How do I get it?
[04:54] <mikelima> (back)?
[04:54] <Daisuke_Ido> amish drive-by :P
[04:54] <DexterF> brucey: out of curiosity, how did you get here?
[04:54] <Daisuke_Ido> DexterF: don't underestimate the amish.  they throw the best parties...  and sometimes you get to see some ankle!
[04:54] <mikelima> And how do I get back my Go and Windows menu also...
[04:54] <soon> Daisuke_Ido : youre right :-)
[04:54] <DexterF> soon: umm. cowboy shot off his horse...?
[04:54] <soon> BluesKaj ... its a persistent problem despite reboot
[04:54] <Daisuke_Ido> soon: i live in amish country :)
[04:54] <soon> DexterF : Its an amish drive-by shooting
[04:55] <DexterF> :D
[04:55] <BluesKaj> old joke
[04:55] <soon> Daisuke_Ido ... that means youre typing on a Commodore 64 ??
[04:55] <soon> made of wood ...
[04:55] <Daisuke_Ido> i didn't say i'm amish, just that i live in the same area as amish :P
[04:56] <soon> OK
[04:56] <Balaams_Miracle> soon: Don't knock the ol' C64, i used tochat on IRC myself using a C64, an RS232 interface and a 2400 baud modem!
[04:56] <soon> Whats the difference between a lightbulb and a pregnant woman?
[04:56] <soon> (I wouldnt knock the C64 ... my first 'puter ever)
[04:56] <Daisuke_Ido> !offtopic | Everyone
[04:56] <ubotu> Everyone: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[04:56] <Daisuke_Ido> (myself included in that)
[04:57] <DexterF> i smell a nazi bot
[04:57] <Daisuke_Ido> :P
[04:57] <BluesKaj> soon , live dangerously, ..tell us
[04:58] <BluesKaj> :)
[04:58] <DexterF> ey, why didn't anybody tell me about medibuntu?
[04:58] <Daisuke_Ido> no one ever told me either, but it would have been really useful :F
[04:58] <Daisuke_Ido> :D
[04:58] <BluesKaj> !medibuntu
[04:58] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/
[04:58] <BluesKaj> that's whay :)
[04:58] <BluesKaj> why
[04:59] <mikelima> Well... so nobody can help me restoring default KDE menus for Konqueror?
[04:59] <[4K^Javax] > seeking php/mysql website coder for project /q
[05:00] <BluesKaj> restore , what happened to them?
[05:01] <mikelima> BluesKaj: I want the vanilla kde behaviour for konqueror.
[05:01] <BluesKaj> err vanilla , pls explain ?
[05:01] <mikelima> The merged reload/stop breaks the only trick with which I can access the stupid login page of my firm site.
[05:02] <mikelima> without kubuntu customization.
[05:02] <mikelima> With a stop button, a reload button, a Go menu and a Windows menu.
[05:03] <icecruncher> what are kde dev headers? any names?
[05:04] <mikelima> Oh, and the View menu, where Reload and Stop would normally reside...
[05:05] <Daisuke_Ido> jfgi
[05:05] <BluesKaj> dunno ...I normally just go with default
[05:05] <Daisuke_Ido> http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/Information/KonquerorProfiles
[05:05] <mikelima> Daisuke_Ido: Thankyou very much!
[05:06] <Daisuke_Ido> you're welcome
[05:11] <icecruncher> anyone? what are kde headers (used for development)
[05:11] <eagles0513875> !apt-fix
[05:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apt-fix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:11] <eagles0513875> ! apt
[05:11] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[05:11] <eagles0513875> ! apt-fix
[05:11] <icecruncher> !adeptfix | eagles0513875
[05:11] <ubotu> eagles0513875: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[05:12] <Jucato> !info kdelibs4-dev
[05:12] <ubotu> kdelibs4-dev: development files for the KDE core libraries. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu14 (feisty), package size 1315 kB, installed size 7472 kB
[05:12] <Jucato> icecruncher: ^^^^
[05:12] <eagles0513875> ty ice been a while since ive been  a while since ive been on her
[05:12] <icecruncher> lol
[05:12] <eagles0513875> *here
[05:13] <thomax_> anyone seen this applet?
[05:13] <thomax_> http://dope.digital-lobotomy.com/img/applet_wanted.jpg
[05:14] <eagles0513875> how do i check which version of kubuntu im using either the x86 or x64
[05:14] <thomax_> eagles0513875: uname -a
[05:16] <thomax_> Linux linuxbox 2.6.20-15-generic #2 SMP Sun Apr 15 06:17:24 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[05:16] <thomax_> for example
[05:16] <eagles0513875> ty btw thomax
[05:17] <DJServers> !lamp
[05:17] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[05:17] <thomax_> anyone seen this applet?
[05:17] <thomax_> http://dope.digital-lobotomy.com/img/applet_wanted.jpg
[05:20] <TheCreationist> What can I do to determine why a USB device doesn't show up in Ubuntu when I plug it in?
[05:20] <icecruncher> night all
[05:21] <dr_willis> TheCreationist:  what is the usb devce?
[05:21] <TheCreationist> dr_willis: It's an iRiver mp3 player.
[05:22] <TheCreationist> dr_willis: The mp3 player itself says it is connected via USB, but I can't find it anywhere in my Ubuntu filesystem.
[05:22] <dr_willis> TheCreationist:  it may show up as usb hard drive. plug it in and check 'sudo dmesg' output in a terminal - also check media:/ (or was it media:
[05:22] <dr_willis> media:\
[05:22] <dr_willis> It may have a usb-mode - i got a few usb devices that have to be set to usb-drive mode to be seen properly
[05:22] <TheCreationist> dr_willis: I've checked /media/
[05:23] <eagles0513875> also could be that its not mounted
[05:23] <dr_willis> not /media  media:/
[05:23] <eagles0513875> could it be that its also not mounted doc
[05:23] <dr_willis> eagles0513875:  right and if thats the case /media wont show it but media:/ MIGHT (or should)
[05:23] <TheCreationist> eagles0513875: I'm pretty sure it isn't mounted... not sure how to figure it out.
[05:24] <TheCreationist> dr_willis: What is media:/?  Never seen that before.
[05:24] <dr_willis> media:/
[05:24] <dr_willis> is KDE filesystem browser. Its sort of not used by default because nobn kde apps get confused by it
[05:25] <TheCreationist> dr_willis: Okay, but I don't know how to check that.
[05:25] <dr_willis> TheCreationist:  enter the address in Konqueror
[05:25] <dr_willis> its a konqueror/kde feature
[05:25] <TheCreationist> ohhh gotcha
[05:25] <DJServers> ehm... someone now xampp here?
[05:26] <TheCreationist> dr_willis: Okay, only my three HD partitions show up there.
[05:26] <dr_willis> 'storage media' goes to /media/ i think ages ago it used to go to media:/
[05:26] <DJServers> someone nows how to start xampp ??
[05:26] <dr_willis> if the auto-mounting stuff sees it it should shiow there. if not - back to checking dmesg
[05:26] <dr_willis> You can often mount/unmount things with the icons in media:/ but not /media/
[05:27] <TheCreationist> dr_willis: Okay, dmesg shows some entries of USB device being connected and disconnected.
[05:28] <dr_willis> TheCreationist:  its possible theres some tweak needed for that device.   note that you really just need the lsat few lines of dmesg. since its a history/log file. remove device. check dmesg, plug it in.. chedk dmesg again
[05:28] <eagles0513875> doc couldnt he do sudo /media/usb and what ever the number is
[05:28] <eagles0513875> does this site still work with feisty
[05:28] <eagles0513875> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Edgy_Installation_Guide
[05:28] <eagles0513875> so i can get my open gl to work
[05:28] <TheCreationist> dr_willis: Okay.
[05:29] <dr_willis> eagles0513875:  trying to get an ati card going? there are the oficial fiesty/ati wiki pages
[05:29] <eagles0513875> TheCreationist: r u trying to mount a flash drive
[05:29] <dr_willis> !ati
[05:29] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:29] <eagles0513875> i know how to install the binary
[05:29] <TheCreationist> eagles0513875: It's an mp3 player.
[05:29] <TheCreationist> dr_willis: usb 5-1.4: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 9
[05:29] <superdump> is it known that kubuntu (and ubuntu i think) feisty does not install in parallels desktop in OS X?
[05:29] <eagles0513875> humm what kinda of mp3 player
[05:30] <TheCreationist> eagles0513875: An iRiver iFP-895
[05:30] <eagles0513875> go to their website and see if its linux compatible and if so do they ahve a driver for it
[05:30] <TheCreationist> eagles0513875: They don't have native drivers.
[05:30] <dr_willis> if it is a normal usb drive. then it should show up as a usb hard drive.
[05:30] <eagles0513875> humm then its probably not linux compatible
[05:30] <eagles0513875> its an mp3 player doc
[05:31] <dr_willis> eagles0513875:  yes.. and i have several that ya plyug in and they show up as a USB hard drive..
[05:31] <dr_willis> same as a thumbdrive, or other memory stick
[05:31] <eagles0513875> could it be that its just not compatible with linux
[05:31] <TheCreationist> eagles0513875: I know that others have been able to get it working in Ubuntu (by searching the forums)... but it seemed to "just work" for them.
[05:31] <eagles0513875> lol it will take time
[05:31] <dr_willis> its more likelyy that theres bug in the auto-detection or the thing has some sort ofusb mode
[05:31] <TheCreationist> dr_willis: Yeah, my other player shows up as a USB drive.
[05:32] <eagles0513875> when was the last time u updated ur distro
[05:32] <TheCreationist> dr_willis: I've never used this player before so let me check real quick if there's a setting to be changed for USB mode.
[05:32] <eagles0513875> also updating pkgs might help too
[05:32] <TheCreationist> eagles0513875: It's a fully updated Edgy
[05:32] <dr_willis> TheCreationist:  if its not showing up as any kind of 'sda#' in dmesg. then for some reasn the system isent seeing it.
[05:32] <dr_willis> TheCreationist:  ya could try 'sudo fdisk -l' also to see if its seen
[05:33] <eagles0513875> ok interesting
[05:34] <dr_willis> My PSP and GP2x both have a usb-mode they need to be in for filetransfers
[05:34] <TheCreationist> dr_willis: Okay, I don't see that it has any settings for USB mode.
[05:34] <eagles0513875> wait
[05:34] <eagles0513875> is it turned on
[05:35] <eagles0513875> some times for it to be recognized it has to be turned on
[05:35] <dr_willis> try a different usb port on the pc also.
[05:35] <eagles0513875> and that too
[05:35] <TheCreationist> dr_willis: Doesn't show up in fdisk either.
[05:35] <jthomas> anyone else get the renaming of hard drives in their /etc/fstab file?  My swap wouldn't turn on this morning due to the drives all being renamed SDA instead of HDA... what a pain!  I guess its related to the update to the newest kernel...
[05:36] <eagles0513875> if its like the psp u most likely have to turn it on before ur computer recognizes it
[05:36] <dr_willis> jthomas:  withj the use of the UUID labels in the fstab - it shouldent of been an issue
[05:36] <TheCreationist> eagles0513875: It's on... it says "USB Connected"
[05:36] <jthomas> dr_willis: it wasn't for the root and hgome partitions, but swap was...
[05:36] <eagles0513875> ok
[05:36] <TheCreationist> dr_willis: Okay, tried a couple different USB ports... still nothing.
[05:36] <dr_willis> jthomas:  the ata 'system' is slowly being rewritten and the use of sd## is partof the change.
[05:36] <eagles0513875> doc would anything show up in the fstab
[05:36] <jthomas> dr_willis: p.s. i HATE the disk UUID junk...
[05:36] <jthomas> dr_willis: not that I blame you... ;)
[05:37] <dr_willis> jthomas:  i always edit the fstab to use the drive Label I set with tune2fs :)
[05:37] <eagles0513875> !tune2fs
[05:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tune2fs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:37] <dr_willis>   man tune2fs :)
[05:37] <jthomas> dr_willis: i'll have to look ino that... what does it tune?  and does the tuning improve performance?
[05:37] <jthomas> ok
[05:37] <eagles0513875> doc would his usb device show up in the fstab
[05:37] <dr_willis> it sets all sorts of fs state
[05:37] <eagles0513875> kool
[05:38] <TheCreationist> eagles0513875: I checked my fstab... wasn't there.
[05:38] <dr_willis> eagles0513875:  not really. If the systems isent seeing it and not givng it a sd## then it wont matter whats in fstab
[05:38] <eagles0513875> does the device work in windows
[05:38] <dr_willis> does 'sudo fdisk -l' show any devices that look like it?
[05:38] <TheCreationist> eagles0513875: I have no idea... just bought it.
[05:38] <TheCreationist> eagles0513875: But the person I bought it from used it in Windows, so I would assume so ;)
[05:39] <TheCreationist> dr_willis: fdisk only shows 4 partitions... all for my hard drive.
[05:39] <dr_willis> so some how the system isent seeing it at all..
[05:39] <jthomas> fstab doesn't 'do' hot-plugged devices
[05:39] <jthomas> plug the USB in, wait a moment, and type (at konsole) 'dmesg'
[05:39] <dr_willis> TheCreationist:  some usb gizmos ive seen have to be plugged in and on, WHEN the system boots. Not seen that in ages.. but its possible.
[05:40] <TheCreationist> dr_willis: Hmm... that wouldn't be fun lol
[05:40] <dr_willis> TheCreationist:  yep. was a bit of issue with somthing i had ages ago
[05:40] <dr_willis> but it was an old problem.
[05:40] <TheCreationist> dr_willis: Well, we know the system sees enough of it to at least know a device was plugged in.
[05:40] <xorl> hey any of you have issues with KDE where you try to lock screen (ctrl+alt+l) and the box just logs you out?
[05:40] <TheCreationist> dr_willis: Otherwise, dmesg wouldn't say so, would it?
[05:41] <DexterF> how do I change the order of sound cards? I'd like my SoundBlaster as dev 0, nForce onboard as dev 1
[05:41] <dr_willis> TheCreationist:  dmesg isent seeing it as a usb device/drive and not giving it a /dev/sd## entry. so its only partially seeing it.
[05:41] <TheCreationist> [17255593.808000]  usb 5-2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 11
[05:41] <TheCreationist> [17255593.940000]  usb 5-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[05:42] <TheCreationist> That's what it sees (sorry for the double post)
[05:42] <TheCreationist> dr_willis: That doesn't tell us anything important?
[05:42] <xeemeex> Hello
[05:43] <xeemeex> I have really a strange problem with my distro
[05:43] <xeemeex> can someone help me?
[05:43] <eagles0513875> whats wrong xeemeex
[05:43] <TheCreationist> !ask | xeemeex
[05:43] <ubotu> xeemeex: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:43] <xeemeex> ok
[05:44] <Slack_Rulz> Hello Everybody, greetings from Chile
[05:44] <xeemeex> I don't know why when I use aMule, often my computer freezees
[05:44] <eagles0513875> lol amule suxs dude
[05:44] <eagles0513875> use azureus lol a bit torrent
[05:44] <eagles0513875> !azureus
[05:44] <ubotu> azureus is a popular bittorent client written in Java, installation instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AzureusHowTo
[05:44] <jthomas> eagles0513875: may be true but that wasn't his question
[05:45] <xeemeex> I use azureus too
[05:45] <Slack_Rulz> I am migrating a computer lab from a basic school and I choose Kubuntu to make the migration
[05:45] <jthomas> Slack_Rulz: nice!!  how many machines?
[05:45] <Slack_Rulz> 24
[05:45] <jthomas> how old are they?
[05:45] <dr_willis> TheCreationist:  it may be some module for it isent loaded. but if other devices work. Not sure what that module may be
[05:45] <TheCreationist> eagles0513875: I prefer Frostwire, myself ;)
[05:45] <xeemeex> azureus is surely faster
[05:45] <eagles0513875> lol what u trying to use amule for
[05:45] <jthomas> Slack_Rulz: working out well?
[05:46] <dr_willis> frostwire isent a bittorrent client - last i looked.
[05:46] <Slack_Rulz> well, amd64
[05:46] <TheCreationist> dr_willis: So what would your suggestion be for me right now?
[05:46] <jthomas> !spelling
[05:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about spelling - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:46] <xeemeex> to download...
[05:46] <Slack_Rulz> and work well
[05:46] <TheCreationist> dr_willis: KTorrent is what I use for BitTorrent.
[05:46] <jthomas> wow those are new machines, eh Slack_Rulz?!?
[05:46] <Slack_Rulz> except for a truble instaling apache
[05:46] <xorl> So this lock screen issue is caused by xgl :/
[05:46] <dr_willis> TheCreationist:  try it on a windows box. Be SURE the thing works.. check several Linux live cd's see if it works with them. if so see what modules they are loading.
[05:46] <Slack_Rulz> yeah
[05:46] <dr_willis> TheCreationist:  also try the "reboot with it plugged in" trick
[05:47] <xeemeex> because sometimes I don't find torrents about what I'm searching for
[05:47] <xeemeex> (excuse for my English)
[05:47] <TheCreationist> dr_willis: Okay, I'm not sure how to check what modules it's loading.  Would that be noted in dmesg?
[05:47] <Slack_Rulz> I'm (obviously) slackware user, but I choose Kubuntu because is moree easy
[05:47] <dr_willis> lsmod command shows loaded modules
[05:47] <Slack_Rulz> for the kids
[05:48] <xeemeex> so sometimes I would prefer to download something with amule
[05:48] <dr_willis> !p2p
[05:48] <ubotu> Conventional P2P clients: Limewire/GTK-Gnutella/Frostwire (Gnutella Network).  -  BitTorrent: see !torrent  -  Direct connect: try valknut.  -  Also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/P2PFileSharing for general information.
[05:48] <TheCreationist> dr_willis: Okay... just checked that right now out of curiosity.  It is loading ehci_hcd... which is what dmesg reported for the mp3 player.
[05:49] <xeemeex> I have kubuntu feisty on a athlon 64 laptop, what can it be?
[05:49] <dr_willis> could try ' sudo modprobe ohci_hcd '.also. but thats just a shot in the dark
[05:49] <Slack_Rulz> But when I tried to install Apache I obtained this error: dpkg: error al procesar apache (--configure)
[05:49] <LjL> i think remember i could search in Konqueror using engine keywords in the search box, like "google:test". now this doesn't work anymore, it just searches for "google:test" using the selected engine; it only works if i type it in the *location* bar. do i remember wrong, or was this changed recently?
[05:50] <Slack_Rulz> the subprocess post--installation script return an error code (1)
[05:50] <Slack_Rulz> What may be wrong?
[05:50] <xeemeex> someone has got some answer for me? (except using azureus)
[05:51] <Slack_Rulz> (and please excuse my tarzan-like english)
[05:51] <yurimxpxman> what package do I need to compile pidgin with SSL support?
[05:51] <xeemeex> (my english is worse)
[05:51] <TheCreationist> dr_willis: Alright, I'm going to try rebooting and see if that makes a difference.
[05:51] <TheCreationist> dr_willis: Thanks for your help.
[05:52] <Daisuke_Ido> xeemeex: other than the fact that the entire edonkey/emule setup is a badly cobbled together piece of #!@*...  i don't know why things would lock up.
[05:53] <twilightning> hello
[05:53] <twilightning> i have some problems with my kubuntu setup
[05:53] <xeemeex> ok, never heard about a similar question, don't you?
[05:53] <twilightning> wait
[05:54] <twilightning> i came in just to say I have the problem and I wish to find a solution so here it is:
[05:54] <Cavallek> hi. I connect throught smb protocl to my other machine. In konqueror I can see folders but this folders are not shown in left (tree) menu. IS possible to show this folders in left (tree) menu ?
[05:55] <twilightning> I installed today ubuntu and then I downloaded kubuntu-desktop
[05:55] <eagles0513875> ok
[05:55] <dr_willis> Cavallek:  you mean using smb:\ in konqueror ?
[05:55] <twilightning> I want to use kubuntu as my primary desktop
[05:55] <Cavallek> dr_willis, yes
[05:56] <eagles0513875> lol download the iso and reinstall is my easy solution unless u have one doc
[05:56] <twilightning> just a moment
[05:56] <eagles0513875> ok
[05:56] <dr_willis> Cavallek:  dependong on what you are doing - it may be beter to use 'smb4k' to mount the remopte shares
[05:56] <Cavallek> humm didnt know for that
[05:56] <xeemeex> I have another question for you...
[05:56] <dr_willis> Cavallek:  or the FUSE system to mount them as a dir on a per user basis
[05:56] <twilightning> I want my webcam to work but as soon it initializes it freezes
[05:57] <twilightning> in vlc for test purposes /dev/video0
[05:57] <Cavallek> I also hate this because when I dl something from the net I cant save it on smb:/....
[05:57] <dr_willis> Cavallek:  the smb: system dosent work like a normal folder.
[05:57] <Cavallek> dr_willis, I want to do with it like in windows where you can mount it as disk and you just click on it and thats it
[05:58] <dr_willis> using smb4k would mount the share to a dir. where ya can treat it as any othe rfolder.
[05:58] <dr_willis> or the Fuse tools..
[05:58] <xeemeex> why does my laptop is often unable to awake from suspend status?
[05:58] <twilightning> plus... I cannot mount my external hard disk (NTFS) from KDE, with GNOME is ok
[05:58] <Cavallek> great
[05:58] <Cavallek> will try it
[05:58] <twilightning> what should i do?
[05:58] <dr_willis> twilightning:  look in media:/ in konqueror  not /media/   *in the address bar) ya proberly can mount it from media:/
[05:59] <twilightning> I see thank you
[05:59] <dr_willis> media:/ - is similer but different from /media/  -  media:/  can confuse non-kde apps
[05:59] <twilightning> in the "storage media" button i can see the other internal partition I have all in NTFS
[05:59] <dr_willis> i always put media:/ in my bookmarks in konwueror
[06:00] <dr_willis> twilightning:  thats going to /media/ NOT  media:/
[06:00] <twilightning> yes i know
[06:00] <RytmenPinnen> Hi, I'm having problems login in as root
[06:00] <dr_willis> its possible you may need to just edit the fstab to properly mount the drives
[06:00] <dr_willis> RytmenPinnen:  best to use sudo to do root tasks.  as needed
[06:00] <RytmenPinnen> I _know_ im writing the password correct but its still denying me
[06:00] <twilightning> NTFS configuration editor should have already mounted and writeable
[06:00] <RytmenPinnen> ok
[06:01] <dr_willis> RytmenPinnen:  where/what are ya trying to login to exactly? KDM/GDM disable root logging into X
[06:01] <dr_willis> twilightning:  right it 'should' of done that..
[06:01] <dr_willis> twilightning:  but if some ntfs drives are working and others are not. Id guess a issue in the /etc/fstab file
[06:01] <eagles0513875> twlight ull have to download ntfs-3g which u then go into fstab and chage where it says ntfs to ntfs-3g umount it then mount it again
[06:01] <twilightning> ok, one more logout to KDE (now in GNOME) to see
[06:01] <eagles0513875> lol
[06:02] <twilightning> i have already corrected fstab
[06:02] <RytmenPinnen> im trying to install enemit territory, first the install asked for the pass but when I didnt get it to work i tried to simply installing as root but I cant get password working
[06:02] <RytmenPinnen> I dont have caps pressed btw
[06:02] <twilightning> */etc/fstab
[06:02] <dr_willis> You can have 2 desktops going - one with gnome one with kde - if you really wanted to
[06:02] <dr_willis> then alt-ctrl-F7 and alt-ctrl-F8 to switch btween them
[06:02] <dr_willis> RytmenPinnen:  intstall stuff like that to the users home dir. Not system wide. much easier.
[06:03] <RytmenPinnen> ok
[06:03] <twilightning> eagles0513875: OK, then why is it ok in GNOME (read/write)
[06:03] <twilightning> its already ntfs-3g
[06:04] <dr_willis> twilightning:  try the mount command and see what options the device is mounted with
[06:04] <RytmenPinnen> that's odd, works now, but im 100% positive I wrote the pass right and I didnt have caps on..........
[06:04] <twilightning> ok
[06:04] <twilightning> i am logging out
[06:05] <dr_willis> why are you logging out?
[06:05] <dr_willis> theres a option to login a 2nd time under a different desktop.
[06:05] <eagles0513875> i dunno twilight thats interesting i honestly prefer kde ovr gnome
[06:05] <dr_willis> Im guessing the thing is geting automounted and owned by root. not the user
[06:05] <eagles0513875> im thinking that too doc
[06:06] <dr_willis> but no one listens to me :)
[06:07] <neo_> i'm trying to install cedega, but for some reason it keeps telling me: E: Package cedega has no installation candidate, can anyone help me?
[06:07] <dr_willis> how are you tryin to install it exactly?
[06:07] <Contrast> Greets, everyone...
[06:08] <neo_> sudo apt-get install cedega
[06:08] <twilightning> hello again
[06:08] <twilightning> KDE now
[06:08] <dr_willis> neo_:  its correct. I dont think cedega is in the repositories.. so it cant find it.
[06:08] <bastid_raZor> are you also chaning Kdm and Gdm?
[06:08] <dr_willis> !find cedega
[06:09] <ubotu> Package/file cedega does not exist in feisty
[06:09] <twilightning> KDM is runnung
[06:09] <bastid_raZor> g
[06:09] <neo_> i had it on here b4, and i had to take it off b4 i could reinstall wine
[06:09] <dr_willis> neo_:  did you download the cedega packages from the cedega homepage?
[06:09] <neo_> no, i can't figure out where to download it from on there paige
[06:09] <twilightning> as i can see my external hard disk is present in media:/
[06:09] <neo_> page*
[06:10] <twilightning> but when i press the "mount" button i get an error:
[06:10] <twilightning> hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000
[06:10] <dr_willis> twilightning:  if it got mounted in gnome - it may still be mounted.  (try sudo mount  from a shell and see if its mounted)
[06:10] <twilightning> ok
[06:11] <neo_> they want me to subscribe, and i don't have money to pay for a subscription
[06:12] <twilightning> no its not mounted
[06:12] <Contrast> I did a new installation of Kubuntu on its own partition, and I'm trying to get rid of it. I tried just deleting the partition from the Disk & Filesystems shell in KControl, but nothing happens when I click "Delete." Can anyone tell me the easiest way to set my partitions back to the way they were before I did the seperate install?
[06:13] <dr_willis> Contrast:  what was it 'befor' ? You  may have to use the 'fdisk' command to delete the partitions from the shell Not the gui stuff.
[06:13] <dr_willis> twilightning:  as the user you could try 'mount /media/Whateverthatdeviceiscalled' and see if you can mount it.
[06:14] <twilightning> look: http://pastebin.ca/536999 it should get mounted in /media/My Book
[06:14] <Contrast> dr_willis: It was just a normal setup - one partition for the OS and everything, and another for swap, no free space.
[06:14] <twilightning> ok
[06:15] <Kgeorge> #kubuntu-es
[06:15] <dr_willis> Contrast:  for what os? windows? linux?  gparted live cd - is a darn handy tool for most HD  changes
[06:17] <Contrast> dr_willis: They're both the same OS. I was trying out the idea of having all of the rock-solid stable versions of software on one partition, and all the bleeding-edge buggy stuff on the other. I've decided it's not worth the trouble of rebooting whenever I want to switch. :-\
[06:18] <Contrast> Sounds stupid, I guess. Just wanted to try it out though. Heh
[06:18] <dr_willis> Contrast:  proberly best to boot a live cd with gparted on it. and delete the partition ya dont want. then expand the existing partition you want to keep
[06:18] <dr_willis> of course I keep my /home in its own partition :) ya could do that  now if ya wanted I guess
[06:19] <dr_willis> You will alwo need to correct teh fstab file if it mounts the other partitions
[06:19] <twilightning> damn i am editing now manually fstab...
[06:19] <naseem> After every fresh kubuntu installation, when i connect to Internet using my gprs connection, konqueror cannot get connected unless Cache disabled in Html setting. Is that a bug or security setting ?
[06:20] <Contrast> dr_willis: /etc/fstab, I'm assuming?
[06:21] <dr_willis> thats the fstab file.. correct
[06:21] <dr_willis> I findit faster to manuyally edit the fstab then find where the gui tools are for it :)
[06:22] <giedek> hi
[06:22] <Contrast> dr_willis: Will I also have to fix GRUB's menu.lst so it doesn't ask me what partition I want to boot into, or should it fix itself once it sees there's only one OS installed now?
[06:22] <Contrast> now=once the partitions are set back to how I want them. :)
[06:23] <dr_willis> Contrast:  you will have to fix it. update-grub or grub-install MIGHT fix it.. but not sure
[06:23] <thomax> Is there a way to stop your hard drives spinning, when they are not used?
[06:24] <Contrast> Cool. Thanks a lot. Peace.
[06:24] <thomax> or slow them down
[06:25] <twilightning> at last...
[06:26] <twilightning> it is ok but its awful i had to edit the fstab manually
[06:27] <dr_willis> thomax:  ive noticed mine do that automaticially
[06:27] <dr_willis> awful? egads!
[06:28] <dr_willis> given the time ya took trying eveyrthing else. heh..
[06:28] <thomax> mine don't
[06:28] <dr_willis> thomax:  this a laptop?
[06:28] <thomax> maibe a bios setting
[06:28] <thomax> nop
[06:28] <thomax> pc
[06:28] <thomax> tower
[06:28] <dr_willis> could be. may be apci setting. On my mythtv box all the hds spin down  after about an hr.
[06:28] <dr_willis> of course if they are in use.. it dont.
[06:29] <thomax> :)
[06:29] <dr_willis> some times when i ssh to the box - ihave to wait for the drives to spin up
[06:29] <thomax> is there a gui frontend for apci?
[06:29] <dr_willis> i doubt it. :)
[06:30] <dr_willis> may be some powermanager tools out there to tweak those settings
[06:30] <Cavallek> dr_willis, is possible to mount smb shares with non root user ? So I can use smb share as regular user ?
[06:30] <thomax> I'll chack the man out
[06:31] <dr_willis> Cavallek:  with smb4k or the FUSE tools YES.
[06:31] <dr_willis> I like smb4k
[06:31] <Cavallek> Im using smb4k
[06:32] <dr_willis> did you 'suid' the proper binarie/commands like the erroe messaes are telling you to? :)
[06:32] <swhalen> Hello, I need help with the rename command
[06:33] <dr_willis> swhalen:  thats one command i cant rember using in my 10yrs of Linux/Unix skills..
[06:33] <Cavallek> dr_willis, I have run smb4k as root. And I mounted my smb share but now dunno how to use it as regular user
[06:33] <swhalen> i want to rename .swf files to .SWF
[06:34] <dr_willis> Cavallek:  you DONT run 2mb4k as root. ya run it as a user.
[06:34] <dr_willis> unmount those shares. run it as a user. and try again
[06:34] <dr_willis> well ya can run it as root. :) but you dont want to.
[06:34] <dr_willis> as you discovered
[06:35] <Cavallek> dr_willis, smbmnt must be installed suid root for direct user mounts (1000,1000)
[06:35] <dr_willis> Bingo. :) thats the message i was refering to earlier
[06:35] <Cavallek> :)
[06:35] <dr_willis> sudo chmod +x /usr/bin/smbmnt
[06:36] <dr_willis> that could be considered a 'security' issue -
[06:36] <BluesKaj> Cavallek, in the terminal :
[06:36] <BluesKaj> sudo chmod +s /usr/bin/smbmnt sudo chmod +s /usr/bin/smbumount
[06:36] <dr_willis> ya also have to suid the proper unmonting command
[06:36] <dr_willis> i always get that one wrong. So i let smb4k tell me the right one. :)
[06:36] <dr_willis> theres way too many smb* commands
[06:37] <Cavallek> wiiii
[06:37] <Cavallek> works :)
[06:37] <Cavallek> thanks to all ;)
[06:37] <dr_willis> of coruse it works! :)
[06:37] <dr_willis> this is Linux!
[06:37] <BluesKaj> dr_willis, the one above isn't real secure but it's ok in a home network behind a router
[06:38] <dr_willis> Id like it if  the smb4k package asked to set the suid bits.. but thats proberly not a good idea.
[06:38] <dr_willis> save me 2 min. :)
[06:38] <Cavallek> :))))
[06:39] <dr_willis> amd save me 100x that explainign it to peopl ein here
[06:39] <BluesKaj> hope he isn't in an office setting
[06:39] <dr_willis> :)
[06:39] <thomax> Is there a way to stop your hard drives spinning, when they are not used? or slow them down?
[06:39] <Cavallek> so now I must run smb4k every time I login ? Or this is mounted forever ?
[06:39] <BluesKaj> Cavallek, that setup is for a homenetwork ...understood ?
[06:39] <dr_willis> thomax:  hdparm may let ya set the spindown time also.
[06:39] <Cavallek> BluesKaj, yes
[06:40] <dr_willis> Cavallek:  its a user level front end to browsing/monting the network shares.
[06:40] <dr_willis> Cavallek:  users dont do perment changes :) ya cn set smb4k to start/restore mounts I think however.
[06:40] <dr_willis> but those are just for that user.
[06:40] <BluesKaj> Cavallek, stoe those cmnds in a text fileso, when you update kde or your distro you have them handy
[06:41] <Cavallek> nice :)
[06:41] <dr_willis> submit a feature request to the smb4k guys to ask to set the suid bits heh..
[06:41] <dr_willis> or have a dialog to ask/do it.
[06:41] <dr_willis> Not sure how actively updated smb4k is any more
[06:42] <dr_willis> theres also knomba, gnomba, and some others that do similer tasks
[06:42] <Cavallek> 2.5.07 was last release of smb4k
[06:44] <BluesKaj> komba is ok
[06:44] <|lostbyte|> Where could i find debug info at firefox run ?
[06:44] <|lostbyte|> !komba
[06:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about komba - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:45] <|lostbyte|> Anyone ?
[06:45] <BluesKaj> once smb4k is setup , it's faster when connecting an old slower pc like we have here
[06:45] <usagi__> Hello. I'm having a little x server difficulty. I was wondering, if I use a script to start XGL, do I have to make a script for ecery user on the system? I ask because XGL loads fine on first acct, but crashes the others.
[06:45] <BluesKaj> !komba2
[06:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about komba2 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:45] <ahmed> hello.. guys can any one help me .. i have installed beryl and xgl now i want to make a new session for xgl plzz help.. ati radeon vga card
[06:46] <ahmed> hello.. guys can any one help me .. i have installed beryl and xgl now i want to make a new session for xgl plzz help.. ati radeon vga card
[06:46] <epimeth> smb4k?
[06:47] <dr_willis> !beryl
[06:47] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[06:47] <dr_willis> !info smb4k
[06:47] <ubotu> smb4k: A Samba (SMB) share advanced browser for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.0-1build1 (feisty), package size 1762 kB, installed size 3756 kB
[06:47] <epimeth> hey dr_willis :-)
[06:47] <ahmed> hello.. guys can any one help me .. i have installed beryl and xgl now i want to make a new session for xgl plzz help.. ati radeon vga card
[06:48] <epimeth> so whats wrong with dolphin for browsing smb shares?
[06:48] <epimeth> its pretty tho....
[06:49] <dr_willis> smb4k actually can MOUNT the shares. not just browse them
[06:50] <dr_willis> differet tools for difrferent needs
[06:51] <dr_willis> well off to take the wife to the Hospital.. byee
[06:51] <epimeth> ahhh... mounting... that *is* useful... can I just get the driver and mount it myself through fstab?
[06:52] <epimeth> arg... he left
[06:53] <JuJuBee> I'm having trouble with kdm/gdm.  I am not being asked for a password on login and therefore cannot log in.  How do I fix this?  I can get to recovery mode and startx to launch kde.
[06:55] <BluesKaj> have to turn off autologin somehow, but i forget the command :(
[06:56] <JuJuBee> Where is it located?  I don't ever remember turning it on.  If I go to userconfig, it is not on for any users...
[06:56] <chris_> hi guys i gotta a noob problem 4 you
[06:56] <usagi__> Hello. I'm having a little x server difficulty. I was wondering, if I use a script to start XGL, do I have to make a script for ecery user on the system? I ask because XGL loads fine on first acct, but crashes the others. I think it is because XGL calls gnome, but session is KDE.
[06:56] <chris_> how do i make a compil lol
[06:57] <DaSkreech> JuJuBee: It would be under login
[06:57] <usagi__> Any fix for this script problem? IE Any way to load XGL before user select?
[06:57] <DaSkreech> JuJuBee: that controls who auto logins
[06:57] <JuJuBee> kcontrol ?
[06:57] <Rictoo> How would i see what processor I have with shell?
[06:57] <Rictoo> in-
[06:58] <chris_> how do i do a "make all"
[06:59] <usagi__> join #gentoo
[06:59] <usagi__> oops
[06:59] <Rictoo> How would i see what processor I have? (in shell)
[06:59] <BluesKaj> JuJuBee, kdm at the prompt
[07:00] <chris_> i got a problem
[07:02] <JuJuBee> BluesKaj: currently in recovery mode (root) and at prompt if I type login, it prompts me for username.  I enter one and it tells me login failed.  Never asks for password.
[07:03] <DaSkreech> Kcontrol -> System adminstration -> Login manager -> Convenience
[07:03] <JuJuBee> DaSkreech : not turned on there.
[07:03] <JuJuBee> I checked.
[07:03] <redoo> hello everybody
[07:05] <JuJuBee> The login screen is not filling in the username.  It is blank, bu there is no password field.
[07:06] <JuJuBee> Is there a way to do a re-install to fix broken packages/programs?
[07:07] <BluesKaj> JuJuBee,are you trying in recovery mode?
[07:08] <sivaji> JuJuBee i got this same problem when i installed "kubuntu-desktop" ( apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ) it became alright
[07:09] <JuJuBee> BluesKaj : yes
[07:10] <JuJuBee> I wonder if something is wrong with pam?
[07:12] <BluesKaj> JuJuBee, try to install kdm
[07:12] <JuJuBee> I have, several times...
[07:14] <JuJuBee> should I try removing kdm and gdm and reinstalling kdm?
[07:19] <BluesKaj> JuJuBee, i guess it's worth a try
[07:20] <ahmed> guys just installed beryl and xgl, all fine now except 1 thing,, emerald theme manger when applied i see no border for windows plz help
[07:21] <JuJuBee> OK, I did that and now I get a password field, but when I tab to it and type, nothing shows up not even *'s
[07:21] <JuJuBee> my password does not work either.
[07:21] <Defilo> hi
[07:22] <BluesKaj> damm!
[07:22] <Defilo> is Kubuntu 7.04 worth to give it a try or should I stick to 6.06 ?
[07:22] <JuJuBee> How do I do a complete re-install of pam?  is it possible that pam is causing the problem?
[07:23] <ahmed> [20:20]  <ahmed> guys just installed beryl and xgl, all fine now except 1 thing,, emerald theme manger when applied i see no border for windows plz help] 
[07:23] <BluesKaj> Defilo, what kind of graphics card are you running ?
[07:23] <BluesKaj> whatis pam?
[07:24] <JuJuBee> Doesn't that have to do with authentication?
[07:30] <sivaji2009> BluesKaj  Pluggable Authentication Module
[07:37] <JuJuBee> sivaji2009 : i installed kubuntu-desktop and still not able to log in.
[07:38] <JuJuBee> Tells me there was a critcal error with kdm, check the log files...
[07:39] <sivaji2009> JuJuBee u r not able to login with u r usual id and password right
[07:42] <makiman> Saludos
[07:44] <JuJuBee> sivaji2006 : correct.
[07:45] <JuJuBee> I just went to recovery to check the kdm.log and it has errors about x11 fonts  and /dev/input/wacom
[07:46] <sivaji2009> have  u tried recovery mode
[07:46] <JuJuBee> to do what?
[07:47] <JuJuBee> Im in recovery mode.
[07:47] <JuJuBee> Only way I can log into machine.
[07:47] <sivaji2009> sorry i dont know try #ubuntu and  #ubuntu+1
[07:50] <ubuntu_> hi
[07:51] <c1|freaky> hi
[07:52] <ubuntu_> can anyone help me with my ati card?
[07:53] <BluesKaj> ok ubuntu_, which ati card ?
[07:58] <eguzki> alguno sabe algo de kiosk?
[07:58] <eguzki> o alguna
[07:59] <BluesKaj> JuJuBee, are you at a TTY ?
[08:03] <JuJuBee> Right now, recovery mode at cli...
[08:08] <JuJuBee> BluesKaj : any suggestions ?
[08:08] <felipe______> ol
[08:08] <BluesKaj> so you have a  desktop , JuJuBee ?
[08:09] <JuJuBee> I do if I startx from recovery...
[08:17] <BluesKaj> JuJuBee, open system settings/login manager/convenience tab ...see if the autologin is turned on
[08:17] <JuJuBee> BluesKaj : It is not...
[08:18] <BluesKaj> ok, that's eliminated
[08:19] <Tired_> Hi.  I'm having trouble with my mouse. When I right-click it brings up the appropriate context menu for where the mouse was an instant before, as well as the currently appropriate context menu, which comes up underneath the wrong one.
[08:19] <Tired_> The improperly summoned menu won't go away unless you pick something.
[08:19] <thefirstdude> Tired_
[08:20] <thefirstdude> try Awake_?
[08:20] <JuJuBee> Is there a way to completely reinstall PAM?
[08:20] <Tired_> I thought it was a Firefox problem, but it's doing it on the desktop also.
[08:20] <Tired_> Naah, I've jhad this nick for years.
[08:21] <epimeth> Tired_: have you tried restarting X?
[08:21] <Tired_> restarted X, restarted the computer...it's been doing this for a while
[08:21] <BluesKaj> JuJuBee, dunno ..I guess we just have to wait for the heavy-hitters to get back from lunch & dinner :)
[08:22] <epimeth> or for the next patch of Xorg....
[08:22] <epimeth> :-)
[08:22] <epimeth> oh... that ws for JuJuBee
[08:22] <epimeth> heh
[08:23] <JuJuBee> Well, I will bring the box home with me tonight.  Maybe reinstall everything from scratch and make backups along the way...
[08:23] <BluesKaj> JuJuBee, you can sudo ?
[08:23] <JuJuBee> Thanks epimeth :
[08:23] <JuJuBee> yes, but currently can only log in as root anyway...
[08:23] <Tired_> I did change mice recently, is it possible the new mouse could (somehow) have some vestiges of the old mouse left on the system, somehow?  New mouse works fine on my other box.
[08:24] <BluesKaj> Tired_, you could reconfig xorg ...it's abit heavy handed but ...
[08:24] <Tired_> reconfig it in what way?
[08:24] <epimeth> all right... this time I'm really leaving!
[08:25] <BluesKaj> Tired_,  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:26] <Tired_> what am I looking to change in there?
[08:26] <BluesKaj> the mouse settings
[08:26] <Tired_> ...
[08:26] <BluesKaj> yoiu could also try in sys/settings first
[08:26] <Tired_> from what to what?  i don't know what the problem is
[08:27] <Tired_> somehow I doubt xorg.conf has an entry for WeirdMouseProblems = 1
[08:28] <BluesKaj> I would experiment in sys settings first ...get as much info about yer mouse as possible and try to find a matchup
[08:31] <Tired_> I think I am fundamentally misunderstanding your advice.  How does a USB mouse differ from any other USB mouse?
[08:31] <Tired_> On the computer side
[08:32] <Tired_> They all send the same standard signals to the computer through the USB port, right?
[08:32] <BluesKaj> have you looked in system settings/keyboard & mouse ?
[08:32] <Tired_> I'm there now
[08:33] <DaSkreech> Whats up?
[08:33] <DaSkreech> I can't execute files
[08:34] <Tired_> I can make it left or right-handed, change the pointer accel, but it says nothing about click timing or sensitivity.
[08:34] <BluesKaj> Tired_, has mouse probs
[08:34] <Tired_> are your files chmodded to executable?
[08:35] <BluesKaj> well, then you need to change xorg to open the optins to you
[08:35] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[08:35] <DaSkreech> I think it's just files in /usr/bin
[08:35] <Tired_> your user has exec poermissions still?
[08:35] <DaSkreech> i would guess so :)
[08:36] <Tired_> never hurts to double check
[08:37] <DaSkreech> Ok they all either segfault or  I just can't execute
[08:37] <DaSkreech> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6820 2007-03-07 21:42 /usr/bin/free
[08:38] <DaSkreech> trying to open gwenview gives me a KDEinit cannot open gwenview
[08:38] <DaSkreech>  from the command line it just segfaults
[08:40] <JuJuBee> Well, I just tried something.  I set my autologin for my admin account on to 5s delay and rebooted.  It logged in fine...
[08:41] <Tired_> brb...restarting X
[08:43] <smile> hi
[08:43] <smile> anyone uses VNC here ?
[08:44] <MPS> smile: sometimes, but just as client. vnc server runs on a windows machine
[08:44] <smile> MPS: i just want try Krdc
[08:44] <MPS> smile: i also use it. it works :)
[08:44] <smile> MPS: can u help me ?
[08:45] <MPS> smile: what's the problem?
[08:45] <smile> MPS: could u give me ur IP adress for a while ?
[08:45] <MPS> nice try
[08:45] <smile> MPS: i u dont mind come in a private session
[08:46] <MPS> i don't have a running windows here at the moment.
[08:46] <smile> MPS: ok
[08:46] <smile> MPS: i try 127.0.0.1 but no way ?
[08:47] <MPS> u want to connect to your own machine?
[08:47] <Tired_> Hmm.  reconfigging X didn't fix my mouse issue, but Beryl works now
[08:47] <yurimxpxman> do any of you know where I could find the source code to the trash kicker applet specifically?
[08:47] <smile> MPS: ya
[08:48] <Tired_> apparently, I had been using nv rather than nvidia
[08:48] <MPS> and it doesn't work?
[08:48] <MPS> smile: which error?
[08:48] <smile> MPS: adress not found !!
[08:49] <MPS> smile: smile: you tried 127.0.0.1:0 ?
[08:49] <smile> MPS: no server working ?
[08:50] <MPS> smile: what do you mean with no server working?
[08:50] <smile> MPS: that's what vnc tells !
[08:50] <Rictoo> Is there any software where i can have two computers with Linux and Windows
[08:50] <Rictoo> and share one mouse and keyboard?
[08:50] <Rictoo> I don'tmean Synergy
[08:50] <Rictoo> since it can't drag and drop files :D
[08:50] <Rictoo> Are there any that can drag and drop files, too?
[08:50] <fsgaston> Does anybody know what plugins I need to install to get Mozilla to play Quicktime and Windows streaming media?
[08:50] <Tired_> Rictoo: x2vnc?
[08:51] <Rictoo> Tired_: Lemme look at it <3
[08:51] <Tired_> I dunno if it can drag and drop files or not...seems to me that'd be tough cross-platform
[08:51] <MPS> smile: do you have an server running?
[08:51] <MPS> smile: *a running server*
[08:51] <BluesKaj> mozilla-mplayer-plugin , fsgaston
[08:51] <smile> i must run the cleint and the server at once ?
[08:52] <smile> Rictoo: u mean VMware
[08:52] <MPS> smile: yes, if you want to connect to your local machine. but i don't see any sense in it.
[08:52] <Tired_> VMware won't do that
[08:52] <Rictoo> smile: I said two seperate physical computers
[08:52] <fsgaston> BluesKaj -- I couldn't find it in Apt-get
[08:52] <MPS> smile: vnc is a piece of software to administrate a remote pc.
[08:52] <smile> Rictoo: what u mean exactly ?
[08:53] <Rictoo> Like Parallels can do with mac/windows
[08:53] <Rictoo> but it doesn't support Linux
[08:53] <Rictoo> :(
[08:53] <smile> MPS: ok ..thx :-)
[08:53] <Tired_> I have a setup like that, one windows PC and one Linux.  The only way I can easily transfer files is with a mounted smb share
[08:53] <MPS> smile: i think, he will do the same like you but not on the same machine
[08:53] <BluesKaj> mozilla-mplayer fsgaston
[08:54] <smile> Rictoo: u mean controlling a computer from another ?
[08:55] <fsgaston> BluesKaj - alreday installed, do I need someting special for .wmv or Quicktime?
[08:55] <fsgaston> BluesKaj - In suse I need to install additional plugins?
[08:55] <BluesKaj> fsgaston, xine-engine
[08:56] <BluesKaj> xine-plugin
[08:56] <BluesKaj> it's better at windows media
[08:57] <Tired_> oh great.  seems I have a virus.  :/
[08:57] <BluesKaj> this is kubuntu , not suse...go to #suse if you want help with it
[08:57] <BluesKaj> virus Tired_ ?
[08:58] <Tired_> the flu
[08:59] <BluesKaj> running windows on VMware maybe?
[09:00] <shentey> hi! has anybody an idea why kdevelop-3.4.1 is missing in the update repositories for kde-3.5.7?
[09:00] <drblood> does n e one know how to access kubuntus default firewall t.t
[09:01] <drblood> ?
[09:02] <shentey> AFAIK new versions of kdevelop and KDE are released together
[09:02] <Tired_> So, I'm upgrading processors this week (celeron D to c2d)...how much of my existing install can I salvage?
[09:03] <Tired_> will the bins be compatble,m or just the config files?
[09:04] <Tired_> i don't wanna waste a lot of time trying to fix my mouse if I have to reinstall anyways when the new chip arrives
[09:05] <jrick> why in the world is the default Kubuntu color scheme not saved?
[09:05] <jrick> everytime i upgrade my kde version, i lose my colorscheme
[09:05] <jrick> it's so annoying
[09:06] <|lostbyte|> Any idea why firefox is taking a load lot of processing when losding a simple page ??
[09:07] <sivaji2009> |lostbyte| becasue data are encrypted/decrypted
[09:08] <|lostbyte|> sivaji2009, How to make sure its that and not some firefox bug ??
[09:08] <dxdt> Something super bad happened with my computer and I'm wondering if anyone can help me fsck my drive via the Live cd I'm currently typing in.  THe machine hard crashed and after reboot, grub wouldn't even load!
[09:08] <sivaji2009> |lostbyte| start running firefox from konsole
[09:08] <dxdt> anyone know how to fsck a drive from the Livecd?
[09:09] <|lostbyte|> sivaji2009, ok
[09:11] <|lostbyte|> sivaji2009, nothing there..
[09:11] <|lostbyte|> the browser did open though.
[09:11] <sivaji2009> |lostbyte| it means nothing is wrong
[09:11] <masterk> Hey guys, where can I get interface addons for kde?
[09:12] <|lostbyte|> sivaji2009, i am getting, the jerky effect when scrolling or loading a page, which never used to happen before. and i got 300 free on my memory.
[09:13] <sivaji2009> |lostbyte| dunno
[09:14] <|lostbyte|> k :(
[09:14] <|lostbyte|> !kde-look
[09:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kde-look - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:15] <|lostbyte|> !kdelook
[09:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kdelook - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:15] <Kartibok> Hi all......is there a quick way to bring up a task manager (like M$ WIndows) Ctrl+Alt+Del when your system freezes or do you just do a switch off/on
[09:15] <jrick> Kartibok: <ctrl><esc>
[09:17] <masterk> ok so I should lookup kde-look?
[09:17] <Nuked> hi Im using kubuntu feisty x86_64 and firefox keeps core dumping
[09:17] <|lostbyte|> karl-heinz, or ctrl + alt + esc and click the app you want to kill.
[09:17] <|lostbyte|> masterk, there is a site by that name.
[09:17] <masterk> yup found it
[09:17] <Nuked> vlc also refuses to start citing an error that it cannot open libvlc.so.0
[09:18] <|lostbyte|> with all kde eyecandy stuff.
[09:18] <masterk> how do I install themes and addons?
[09:18] <|lostbyte|> k
[09:18] <|lostbyte|> masterk, the instructions are most probably under each download.
[09:18] <DaSkreech> dxdt: run fsk on the dev file
[09:18] <masterk> ok
[09:18] <Nuked> anyone possibly have any clues as to why that keeps happening
[09:18] <ahmed> guys any one know how to install dri drivers in ubuntu ??
[09:19] <Kartibok> jrick: Many thanks
[09:19] <jrick> no problem
[09:19] <ahmed> guys any one know how to install dri drivers in ubuntu ??
[09:19] <ahmed> guys any one know how to install dri drivers in ubuntu ??
[09:19] <DaSkreech> !dri
[09:19] <ubotu> dri is direct rendering infrastructure, a framework for allowing direct access to graphics hardware under the X Window System in a safe and efficient manner.
[09:19] <|lostbyte|> Nuked, maybe you got to install libvlc0
[09:19] <Nuked> is that an actual package?
[09:20] <|lostbyte|> ahmed, depending on your video card.
[09:20] <Nuked> |lostbyte|: it says its the newest version
[09:20] <|lostbyte|> Nuked, huh, yes
[09:20] <ahmed>  mobility radeon x1800
[09:20] <masterk> how do I make konquerer windows transparent? I wnt the background of the windows to be transparent
[09:20] <|lostbyte|> Nuked, what command do you use to get that ?
[09:20] <DaSkreech> can someone help witha KDEinit error?
[09:20] <Nuked> vlc
[09:21] <ahmed> |lostbyte|??
[09:22] <Nuked> |lostbyte|: and now the vlc is core-dumping
[09:22] <DaSkreech> !-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6820 2007-03-07 21:42 /usr/bin/free
[09:22] <|lostbyte|> !radeon
[09:22] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:22] <|lostbyte|> ahmed, ^^
[09:22] <Kartibok> Hi again - just lost my taskbar and had to restart x because of the wonder kill tool Ctrl+ALt+Esc, is there a way to get it back if you kill it?
[09:23] <ahmed> guys in beryl whenever , i switch to beryl window decorator ( emerald ) the borders of the windows disappears plz help  lostbyte any idea //>>
[09:23] <Nuked> ahmed:  try #ubuntu-effects
[09:23] <DaSkreech> Kartibok: run kicker
[09:24] <BluesKaj> |lostbyte|, try this tutorial if yer on feisty ; http://www.howforge.com/how-to-setup-fglrx-for-ubuntu-feisty
[09:24] <jrick> Kartibok: press <alt><space> to bring up katapult, and type konsole.  Then you can run kicker from the terminal
[09:24] <|lostbyte|> BluesKaj, lol.. its not me asking.
[09:25] <BluesKaj> ok |lostbyte| ..misread again ..sorry
[09:25] <Nuked> so can someone help with my firefox and vlc core dumping issues
[09:25] <Nuked> ?
[09:25] <Kartibok> jrick: DaSkreech: Many thanks they are fantastic answers
[09:26] <BluesKaj> don't use the vlc FF plugin , it's buggy
[09:26] <BluesKaj> Nuked
[09:26] <Admiral_Chicago> mplayer plugin is the one to use
[09:26] <Nuked> so I remove that plugin?
[09:26] <BluesKaj> actually it's iffy in feisty too ..the one thatseems stable is the xine-plugin
[09:27] <Nuked> BluesKaj: its not installed
[09:27] <Nuked> but im still getting core dumps
[09:27] <BluesKaj> yer missing some codecs then
[09:28] <|lostbyte|> brb
[09:28] <masterk> I'm a real noobishly noob noob... what do I download and do for this theme? http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Kore?content=54701
[09:28] <BluesKaj> !w32codecs
[09:28] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[09:28] <Nuked> I have codecs installed BluesKaj
[09:28] <Nuked> and in my case its w64codecs
[09:28] <chx> hi. is there a non-Java torrent client where i can set up per torrent speed limits? The problem with ktorrent is that if I set an aggregate limit that usually will let one torrent to run...
[09:28] <BluesKaj> well, if yer gonna run windows media you need w32codecs
[09:29] <DaSkreech> masterk: the download is on the site and there is a readme inside that you can follow step by step
[09:29] <Nuked> BluesKaj: im on 64 bit
[09:29] <masterk> which do I download though?
[09:29] <masterk> there are multiple
[09:33] <BluesKaj> no matter , wm doesn't care
[09:33] <BluesKaj> w32media codecs will run on 64bit pcs
[09:33] <Nuked> BluesKaj: thats not remotely my problem the programs do not start at all
[09:33] <BluesKaj> nm ... not gonna bang my head against a wall
[09:33] <Nuked> ? BluesKaj I had everything working fine, and windows media was not a problem.. the programs just stopped working
[09:33] <Nuked> I dont know why
[09:33] <Nuked> would a backtrace help or something
[09:38] <BluesKaj> Nuked, have you upgraded anything lately ?
[09:39] <Nuked> not as far as I know
[09:39] <Nuked> the apps worked fine last night
[09:39] <Nuked> BluesKaj: im completely lost
[09:40] <BluesKaj> installed any new apps ?
[09:40] <Nuked> psi
[09:40] <Nuked> thats about it
[09:40] <BluesKaj> what's psi ?
[09:40] <krzysztof> som jacy polacy
[09:40] <Nuked> !pl
[09:41] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[09:41] <krzysztof> wiem
[09:41] <krzysztof> ale ja nie potrzebuje pomocy
[09:41] <Nuked> BluesKaj: psi is for jabber
[09:42] <Nuked> krzysztof:  I dont speak polish
[09:42] <BluesKaj> !cz
[09:42] <ubotu> esk uivatele dme, aby mluvili v kanle #ubuntu anglicky. esky je mono se domluvit v #ubuntu-cz. Dkujeme.
[09:42] <Nuked> BluesKaj: its definitely polish
[09:43] <DaSkreech> !info psi
[09:43] <ubotu> psi: Jabber client using Qt. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.10-2ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 2060 kB, installed size 5532 kB
[09:43] <DJServers> !apache
[09:43] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[09:44] <monfis> jest jai polski kana
[09:44] <BluesKaj> ok Nuked this guy is just fooling around
[09:45] <Nuked> his whois is polish
[09:45] <BluesKaj> monfis, /join #ubuntu-pl
[09:45] <Nuked> blueskaj what should I do
[09:46] <BluesKaj> I would try a codec reinstall ...but don't try them ...reboot first
[09:46] <Nuked> ok ill try that
[09:46] <Nuked> ill be back
[09:49] <OhMyAudi> Are there any differences (beyond appearance) when installing kubuntu vs just the kde-core with ubuntu?
[09:53] <tsb> What is the best (free) way currently to run xp on kubuntu? I've read a bit about vmware, zen, gemu.. still a bit unsure what to pick
[09:55] <Daisuke_Ido> tsb: the easiest way is not to
[09:55] <Daisuke_Ido> the entire point of moving to kubuntu is breaking reliance on microsoft's products
[09:56] <tsb> Daisuke_Ido: Is that supposed to be clever? funny?
[09:56] <Daisuke_Ido> neither, it's supposed to be true.
[09:56] <apetrescu> tsb, if you can afford it, VMWare is a very polished product.
[09:56] <Daisuke_Ido> and i succeeded in that
[09:56] <apetrescu> Xen is more oriented to the server-market if I recall correctly.
[09:56] <tsb> Daisuke_Ido: that is fine in utopia-land, it is not when you need certain applications which only work in windows in a work situation
[09:56] <Daisuke_Ido> and if you MUST use that os, use VMWare Server, as it is free
[09:56] <Kartibok> tsb: I have VMWare Workstation (for Windows) and it is excellent
[09:57] <Daisuke_Ido> tsb: if you rely on windows applications for work, then use windows
[09:57] <apetrescu> And I've had limited success with qemu. I did get it running, and it is decent, but not too easy to get set up in the first place.
[09:57] <Daisuke_Ido> or attempt to run them under wine
[09:57] <apetrescu> Daisuke_Ido: He is free to use whatever he wants.
[09:57] <tsb> Daisuke_Ido: and I have been in linux land for years, thank you.
[09:57] <Daisuke_Ido> all i'm saying is virtual machines are a poor solution
[09:57] <apetrescu> Daisuke_Ido: They're actually not.
[09:57] <tsb> Daisuke_Ido: wtf is this? if you have nothing better to do than spew this adolecent propaganda then don't bother answering me
[09:57] <Daisuke_Ido> but hey, ape's right
[09:57] <apetrescu> There's a reason these companies make millions.
[09:57] <Daisuke_Ido> you're free to use whatever you choose
[09:58] <Kartibok> I have Windows and my wife will never change so its up to me to learn it , and to do that I have gone with Kubuntu and use it all the time and get advice as and when required
[09:58] <Daisuke_Ido> philosophy aside
[09:58] <tsb> thank ou apetrescu, I'll have a go at qemu, if it doesn't work out I'll use vmware.
[09:58] <apetrescu> tsb, good plan :)
[09:58] <Kartibok> However I will use windows as I have apps that are paid for that would take me too long to relearn!
[09:58] <Daisuke_Ido> i'd recommend vmware server as i mentioned, qemu as a backup...
[09:59] <fdoving> tsb: there is also virtualbox.org
[09:59] <BluesKaj> tsb, if you must VMware is the best from all reports ....qemu is clunky at best ...the others i dunno
[10:00] <DJServers> where can i see how much space is left on my hard disc?
[10:00] <animal> ciao
[10:00] <Daisuke_Ido> DJServers: df
[10:00] <fdoving> DJServers: rightclick->properties on any file.
[10:00] <Daisuke_Ido> that too
[10:00] <tsb> BluesKaj: ah okay, I'll just use vmware then
[10:00] <animal> i have  a problem whith my audio
[10:01] <DJServers> wahts df ?
[10:01] <animal> i do not speak english very well
[10:01] <fdoving> DJServers: a console command.
[10:01] <tsb> DJServers: it tells you what is mounted where, and capacity statistics.
[10:01] <DJServers> ok
[10:01] <Daisuke_Ido> spacwe and percentage used, space available, etc
[10:02] <animal> there is one people that help me
[10:02] <animal> thank you
[10:02] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm the wrong person to ask about audio problems, sorry :\
[10:03] <BluesKaj> animal, what is your native language ?
[10:03] <animal> thank you daisuke
[10:03] <animal> my language is italian
[10:03] <BluesKaj> !it
[10:03] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[10:04] <animal> how can go to #ubuntu-it
[10:04] <animal> ciao
[10:05] <Daisuke_Ido> animal: /join #ubuntu-it
[10:18] <animal> ciao
[10:18] <LjL> !it
[10:19] <Voyage_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto/Lucent doenst works for me. can you tell why? i have modules in synaptic or adept. but it says no ltmodem module found. and 10-local.rules says at boot that its invalid.
[10:20] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[10:20] <KB3IEN> looking to get vlans recognised in the GUI of Feisty, any FAQs ?
[10:21] <masterk> when downloading the things for my theme it has something for theme manager, what is this?
[10:32] <hairy918> grr  - yo all, just upgraded to 7.04 from efty, and now video & sound don't work -anybody have any ideas?
[10:33] <isthisnickvalid_> Hi people
[10:33] <hairy918> Video is nvidia geforce 4 mx 4000, sound is nvidia nforce3 ac97 - can get video working w/ nv, not with nvidia-glx
[10:33] <isthisnickvalid_> how can I make videos and visualizations work integrated with beryl? because when I move a window or use amarok it dosen't work well
[10:33] <hairy918> System beeps  & stuff work, but media players don't
[10:34] <isthisnickvalid_> !beryl
[10:34] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[10:38] <josep> hi
[10:39] <m_tadeu> hi everyone...
[10:39] <m_tadeu> i'm having problems with the sound board...it says "NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG" all over the place
[10:40] <m_tadeu> does anyone one know what is this?
[10:44] <masterkk> !kth
[10:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kth - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:44] <masterkk> what do I do with a kth file?
[10:47] <x_link> Hi
[10:47] <x_link> What's the real packagename for KDE?
[10:47] <TheCreationist> Could someone tell me how to install MP3 support in Amarok within Feisty? Amarok crashes every time it attempts to install the support automatically.
[10:48] <TheCreationist> x_link: Try kde-core
[10:49] <masterkk> !instal kde theme
[10:49] <x_link> TheCreationist: I have KDE installed, but I want to find out something. So I need to know the real packagename.
[10:49] <x_link> But is it called kde-core?
[10:49] <masterkk> how do I install kde theme files from command prompt?
[10:49] <dwidmann> x_link: There are many, but most of the essentials are part of kde-base
[10:49] <TheCreationist> x_link: I believe so.  What are you trying to find out?
[10:50] <x_link> Just when KDE 3.5.6 will be in Debian Testing.
[10:50] <dwidmann> wait, kdebase, not kde-base
[10:50] <x_link> yeah kdebase
[10:50] <x_link> Right
[10:50] <masterkk> someone help me plz
[10:51] <josep> exit
[10:51] <Lynoure> masterkk: with what?
[10:51] <dwidmann> masterkk: probably depends on the theme
[10:51] <josep> bye
[10:51] <Lynoure> masterkk: follow the instructions in the theme package, if in doubt.
[10:52] <masterkk> its a kth file and when I click it on the taskbar is has the thinking icon next to "install kde theme" then it disapears and nothing happens
[10:52] <masterkk> theres no instructions
[10:52] <Lynoure> masterkk: then check the site where you got it.
[10:53] <M_A_K> I am reinstalling my OS,  however, I spent some time creating a neat kmenu... Can I back it up and use it for the new installation?
[10:54] <TheCreationist> Is there a native LInux app to rip from DVD to iPod ?
[10:54] <TheCreationist> The searches I've done only show a confusing CLI program.
[10:55] <dwidmann> M_A_K: it's somewhere in your ~/.kde folder, where exactly I'm not sure, but you can keep that whole folder if you wish
[10:57] <fdoving> M_A_K: ~/.kde/share/applnk
[10:58] <M_A_K> fdoving : thanks.
[10:59] <RytmenPinnen> is there a way to check what program is using my audio
[11:00] <RytmenPinnen> getting no sound on a video
[11:00] <sercik> !menu
[11:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about menu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:01] <michael> ugh this is pissing me off
[11:02] <sercik> the installation of package menu don't work anymore??
[11:02] <michael> 3 inches on my kde taskbar are just blank space
[11:02] <RytmenPinnen> hmm, it appears it was ktorrent..
[11:03] <Lynoure> michael: you can shorten it?
[11:03] <Lynoure> michael: or do you mean 7,5cm of the height?
[11:03] <michael> length
[11:03] <Lynoure> then just shorten it or fill it more :)
[11:03] <Lynoure> both are fun.
[11:03] <michael> you know how when there are less things, the icons group to the right
[11:03] <michael> and there is more space for programs in the middle
[11:03] <michael> lemme take a screen cap
[11:06] <michael> Lynoure: http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/2086/wtfzk8.jpg
[11:06] <michael> omfg, the screen cap screwd up
[11:06] <michael> but you can see what i mean
[11:06] <michael> see to the right how its all empty
[11:07] <michael> WTF it didnt do that before
[11:07] <Lynoure> michael: you can move icons
[11:07] <michael> oh there we go
[11:07] <michael> thanks
[11:08] <Lynoure> michael: your capture actually shows just your irc status bar and some fragment of your panel
[11:09] <michael> i know
[11:09] <michael> thats why i said it scred up
[11:11] <Lynoure> michael: it happens. moving icons around helped?
[11:12] <michael> yes
[11:12] <michael> thx
[11:12] <kiersie> were can i find a gpg file for kubuntu.org get?
[11:13] <vecina>  I installed libglut and freeglut, libqt3 and the devs, but g++ says these .so files cant be found. whats up? :/
[11:19] <ahmed> hi, i am looking for a little help here please, i've kubuntu latestversion installed and the arabic fonts and texts are installed and working well in all applications but one: the kaffine and other media players displays the arabic subtitles in a wrong way; the don't connect the characters well although i've selected an arabic font and encoding any help here?
[11:20] <RawSewage> how does it look in vlc
[11:24] <ahmed> i tried vlc the characters appear correct for each individual character, but the ar not connected
[11:25] <ahmed> for example :     this is correct
[11:25] <ahmed> i got    this wrong
[11:26] <ahmed> in arabic the character may take different shapes according to its perceding and trailing character
[11:26] <ahmed> this is the problem
[11:27] <brener> oi
[11:27] <brener> ol
[11:28] <RawSewage> maybe try using this font  http://www.lightworker.com/Download/Fonts/ARIALUNI.TTF
[11:31] <ahmed> i'll try it
[11:32] <ahmed> but if it was a font problem shouldn't this affect all the other apps
[11:32] <ahmed> why it just appear in displaying subtiltes
[11:32] <andre> i break together
[11:32] <RawSewage> I dont know.  you know how to change the subtitle fonts in vlc, right
[11:33] <ahmed> yes
[11:33] <RawSewage> ok, try that font first then
[11:34] <andre> can anyone tell me how to edit xorg.conf with vi? everytime i want to rem a line with # the cursor jumps to next section
[11:34] <RawSewage> I cant figure out command line text editing either
[11:34] <fdoving> andre: delete a line?
[11:34] <fdoving> andre: esc-dd
[11:53] <dwidmann> andre: press 'i' for insert, then you can edit normally
[11:53] <llutz> andre: press "i" (insert mode) before
[11:53] <andre> i've pressed i, i want to keep the lines. try esc-dd ... was
[11:53] <ahmed>  RawSewage : thanks for help i'll test the font then :)
[11:53] <RawSewage> ok
[11:53] <ahmed> bye
[11:53] <RawSewage> bye
[11:53] <sercik> Hi it i spossible to create .desktop files from /usr/share/menu entry??
[11:53] <sercik> someone can help me?
[11:53] <andre> when i press i and use the arrow keys i get D for left, A for up...
[11:53] <ceannfeachd> Hi. I've just migrated to Kubuntu 7.04 from Debian Etch... but the default setting to suspend after so many minutes is starting to annoy me... where can I go to disable it?
[11:53] <dwidmann> andre: does it say "-- INSERT --" near the bottom left corner of the screen, or something else (or nothing)?
[11:53] <fdoving> andre: what about jk for up/down and hl for right left?
[11:53] <andre> nothing
[11:53] <dwidmann> andre, if that isn't there, then it's not in insert mode
[11:53] <andre> it's not there
[11:53] <dwidmann> andre: does it show up when you press the insert key?
[11:53] <andre> do i really just have to press i? :i? ~i? esc-i?
[11:53] <andre> i've started with sudo vi xorg.conf ...that should do it first
[11:53] <andre> insert-key doesnt too
[11:53] <dwidmann> andre: odd
[11:53] <andre> odd?
[11:53] <andre> sorry...just came from windows :) i need to configure xorg to change my mice-settings
[11:53] <andre> mouse
[11:53] <dogatemycomputer> andre: I use mcedit which I like better than vi ..  have you tried it?
[11:53] <Jack3> ! vnc
[11:53] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[11:53] <Jack3> !freenx
[11:53] <ubotu> FreeNX is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[11:53] <dogatemycomputer> andre: if you can get to the command line then "sudo apt-get install mc".. then "sudo mcedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf".. its a bit more friendly than vi
[11:53] <dwidmann> andre: yeah, odd indeed, take a look at this screenshot .... http://images@xnowherex.net/random/vim.png
[11:53] <dwidmann> andre: yeah, odd indeed, take a look at this screenshot .... http://images.xnowherex.net/random/vim.png
[11:53] <dwidmann> there we go
[11:53] <xRaich[o] 2x> can somebody tell me where i can get the localisation files for kdevelop?
[11:53] <andre> i've worked with vi yet and i know the insert mode... thx dwidmann...but i still can't get into it
[11:53] <dwidmann> andre, well, ubuntu doesn't even give a full vim (which really ticks me off), the first thing I do with every installation is this: apt-get remove vim-tiny && apt-get install vim
[11:53] <dogatemycomputer> dwidmann: why would they do that?
[11:53] <andre> yeah! mcedit looks like edit.exe ;) i like...erm...know that
[11:53] <dogatemycomputer> andre: yeah.. I think Microsoft stole it.
[11:53] <dogatemycomputer> andre: although I used midnight commander when it used to be a dos app.. back in the 80s.. so i found it very useful in linux..
[11:53] <dogatemycomputer> andre: do you remember Q Edit?
[11:53] <DexterF> hi agian
[11:53] <DexterF> something whack here happened: Kubuntu assimilates settings from another distro. is that possible or am going nuts?
[11:53] <andre> q-edit? q-edit...heard of that before...can hardly remember
[11:53] <dogatemycomputer> andre: my girlfriend says i'm showing my age and i should be quiet now.. (she's 22)
[11:53] <Cecoknopfler> i have a problem with ubuntu
[11:54] <DexterF> I got Slackware on this box here, too, dual boot now, got Kicker set in this and that way, and now I have an external window list here, too. I never set it in Kubuntu.
[11:54] <dogatemycomputer> Cecoknopfler: what's the problem?
[11:54] <Cecoknopfler> how can i boot from cd and try it ???????
[11:54] <Cecoknopfler> i have already the cd of ubuntu
[11:54] <sercik> someone have problems with kde menu that lacks many applications??
[11:54] <dwidmann> DexterF: so long as the settings are stored in the same place, if the apps are ethe same it should be able to use them
[11:54] <dogatemycomputer> Cecoknopfler: did you already burn the ISO?  or did you get one in the mail?
[11:54] <Cecoknopfler> yes
[11:54] <sercik> i have found a solutions!
[11:54] <sad> hello, i just installed beryl and i get "Checking for XComposite extension               : failed" message what i need to do?
[11:54] <Cecoknopfler> i have downloaded it from ubuntu url
[11:54] <sercik> if someone is interested...............
[11:54] <DexterF> dwidmann: that's just the point, the two dists have entire partitions of their own.
[11:55] <dogatemycomputer> Cecoknopfler: okay.. cool.. what kind of machine are you using?  what manufacturer?
[11:55] <andre> back in the 80s...sigh
[11:55] <Cecoknopfler> pentium
[11:55] <dwidmann> maybe kubuntu was just smarter Dexterf :
[11:55] <dwidmann> :P
[11:55] <DexterF> sad: hack up xorg.conf and insert a section for composite
[11:55] <Cecoknopfler> intel celeron
[11:55] <Cecoknopfler> 700 mhz
[11:55] <andre> wow...i can use my mouse in mc! great
[11:55] <Cecoknopfler> old :)
[11:55] <DexterF> google for composite enable xorg.conf
[11:55] <dogatemycomputer> Cecoknopfler: nah.. I was asking if its a Dell, Toshiba, etc..?  or did you home build it?
[11:55] <sad> DexterF: is need to be 0 or 1?
[11:56] <Cecoknopfler> no no is a olivetti or something else
[11:56] <imagine> DexterF: it's simple to add composite within xorg.conf, why don't you just tell him..
[11:56] <dogatemycomputer> andre: glad I could help :)
[11:56] <Cecoknopfler> shark
[11:56] <Cecoknopfler> shark yes
[11:56] <DexterF> sad: uh... "true" I think
[11:56] <imagine> sad: enable
[11:56] <imagine> DexterF: Enable
[11:56] <imagine> oh yeah
[11:56] <imagine> true
[11:56] <andre> and there we are...installed vim and it works! thx dwidmann
[11:56] <imagine> DexterF: you're right True is the right onw
[11:56] <DexterF> ah, we're all right
[11:57] <DexterF> xorg.conf accepts various syntax iirc
[11:57] <Cecoknopfler> i have tried to order the boots in bios
[11:57] <dogatemycomputer> Cecoknopfler: well.. in that case i'm not sure but during the boot process there should be a key you can press to choose what boot device you want to use.. and it should prompt you from a menu.  Just put the CD in the drive and select the CD from the menu then follow the prompts.
[11:57] <DexterF> 0/1, true/false etc
[11:57] <DexterF> still this assimiliation thing scares me...
[11:57] <Cecoknopfler> i have 3 cd roms
[11:57] <Cecoknopfler> 2 internal & 1 external
[11:57] <dogatemycomputer> Cecoknopfler: for example.. on my machine it says, "PRESS F12 FOR BOOT MENU"..
[11:57] <Cecoknopfler> how can i find them in bios ??
[11:58] <dogatemycomputer> Cecoknopfler: lol..  oh dude..  I have no idea then..
[11:58] <Cecoknopfler> yes yes mine is "del"
[11:58] <dogatemycomputer> Cecoknopfler: well.. doesn't DEL take you to the BIOS?
[11:58] <Cecoknopfler> i have tried
[11:58] <Cecoknopfler> yes
[11:58] <sad> i am making it 1, if it means true??
[11:58] <dogatemycomputer> Cecoknopfler: well.. there should be a eperate key for the boot device menu..
[11:58] <Cecoknopfler> in the bios i can order the boot
[11:59] <Cecoknopfler> i have tried to put cdrom as 1st
[11:59] <dogatemycomputer> Cecoknopfler: if not then set the CD rom drive as the first boot device then shutdown the machine.  when you press the power button look for the first CD drive that lights up.  Shutdown again, put the CD into that CD drive then boot the machine.
[11:59] <Cecoknopfler> it gave me 3 boot order
[11:59] <Cecoknopfler> a ok :):)
[11:59] <sad> DexterF: i made composite "1" , is it ok now?
[12:00] <Cecoknopfler> but as cdrom i think it should have autorun to work or not ?
[12:00] <dogatemycomputer> Cecoknopfler: its trial and error. If you have another machine to test the Cd in then try booting it in another machine to make sure its not a corrupt CD..
[12:00] <dogatemycomputer> Cecoknopfler: yeah..  it does.. if the bios is decent then it should recognize its a bootable CD and launch kubuntu..
[12:00] <Cecoknopfler> wait, only a thing
[12:01] <dogatemycomputer> yes?
[12:01] <DexterF> sad: I guess. not sure if 0/1 need/can have ""
[12:01] <DexterF> sad: ati or nvidia?
[12:01] <sad> ati
[12:01] <Cecoknopfler> i have copied downloaded cd from ubuntu site after unpacking it
[12:01] <DexterF> hm, wait
[12:01] <DexterF> sad: need a couple of settings more, moment
[12:02] <Cecoknopfler> on cd there are all files and folders
[12:02] <Cecoknopfler> and not a .iso file
[12:02] <sad> DexterF: ok im waiting
[12:02] <dogatemycomputer> Cecoknopfler: that's right.. that's what it should be..
[12:02] <Cecoknopfler> a ok :)
[12:02] <Cecoknopfler> i have also a external cdrom
[12:02] <DexterF> sad:  http://pastebin.ca/537931
[12:02] <Cecoknopfler> but don't know how to boot with it
[12:03] <dogatemycomputer> Cecoknopfler: if the Cd contained one large ISO then it wouldn't boot hte ISO.  It has to contain the files and folders in a decompressed format on the CD.  It sounds like you are almost finished.. just figure out which CD you need to boot the CD..
[12:03] <Cecoknopfler> in bios it gives me only 1 choise as cdrom
[12:03] <DexterF> add those, too, and set GARTSize to whatever agp aperture is in your BIOS. unless you have an PCIe card, that GART is only for AGP
[12:03] <dogatemycomputer> Cecoknopfler: then trial and error until you find the right CDRom drive.
[12:03] <Cecoknopfler> ok :):)
[12:04] <dogatemycomputer> Cecoknopfler: good luck!  come back if nothing works..
[12:04] <Cecoknopfler> thanks very much !!!
[12:04] <Cecoknopfler> :)
[12:04] <sad> DexterF: adding to which section??
[12:04] <DexterF> sad: ah: to the Device section
[12:05] <dogatemycomputer> wow.. 3 cdrom drives..
[12:05] <sad> DexterF: ok thx i will try
[12:05] <DexterF> good luck
[12:05] <dogatemycomputer> what would you do with 3 CDRom drives on a 700mhz machine..
[12:10] <PCG> Hey
[12:10] <sad> DexterF: now i get Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0" :(
[12:11] <DexterF> sad: what ati card, what driver?
[12:11] <DexterF> sad: and check xorg.conf if the driver is ati or radeon, I had to set radeon manually
[12:11] <sad> ati 9600, fglrx
[12:12] <sad> DexterF: ok i am trying now
[12:12] <DexterF> fglrx, aha. you're screwed. no fglrx and beryl. fglrx doesn't allow composite anyway.
[12:13] <sad> DexterF: damn, but i did "restrictedDeviceManeger" thing
[12:14] <DexterF> sad: doesn't mean anything to me.
[12:14] <DexterF> what kubuntu version are you on? the radeon xserver in 7.04 has limitied 3D support. beryl works here.
[12:14] <DexterF> (x800xt agp)
[12:14] <ifrog> !offtopic
[12:14] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[12:15] <DexterF> ifrog: what?
[12:15] <sad> DexterF: 2.16.10
[12:15] <ifrog> DexterF, well, Something offtopic...
[12:15] <ifrog> anyways i am there.
[12:15] <DexterF> ifrog: absolutely not. getting beryl working on kubuntu
[12:16] <DexterF> that has some *very* distro specific tripwires
[12:16] <ifrog> DexterF, HUH ?
[12:16] <DexterF> well, I sure didn't need fumble manually in Slackware. ok, I had to, but not about the proper xserver