[03:50] <jml> I've just got two timeouts in a row submitting a bug to LP
[03:50] <jml> OOPS-520D160
[03:50] <ubotu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/520D160
[03:51] <jml> make that three
[04:13] <Hobbsee> PWill: the ops are *not* here to answer support questions if no one else has.  the !ops trigger is not for that.
[04:26] <PWill> Hobbsee: I believe that has already been made clear to me
[04:26] <Hobbsee> good.
[04:27] <PWill> ah
[04:27] <PWill> I was just very frustrated because Launchpad will not send me email, and I am sure that it is a problem on the LP side.
[04:28] <PWill> Since I can receive email from everyone else
[04:28] <kiko> PWill, have you tried using another email address?
[04:28] <Hobbsee> fair enough, so you'd have to see an archive admin, not an op.
[04:28] <Hobbsee> hiya kiko 
[04:28] <kiko> it may be that the canonical smtp server is blacklisted by your ISP, for instance
[04:28] <PWill> kiko: Well, the Ubuntu Mailing lists no longer send me email either
[04:29] <PWill> kiko: When I login, it says that my emails have been bouncing
[04:29] <Hobbsee> which would be on the same smtp server....surely
[04:29] <kiko> PWill, then you already have the answer.
[04:29] <PWill> however, I am yet to see an incoming connection on my postfix logs
[04:30] <PWill> I just figured that someone that has ops would be an LP admin
[04:30] <PWill> but i've learned not to believe that
[04:31] <Hobbsee> PWill: ubuntu is big enough that an op is not necessarily a developer, and is more likely than not a launchpad admin, as launchpad is closed source.
[04:32] <PWill> Hobbsee: do you know how I can get in contact with someone that could help clear up this issue?
[04:32] <PWill> It is very frustrating
[04:33] <Hobbsee> PWill: kiko is a launchpad guy
[04:36] <lifeless> PWill: you can file an answer request at http://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/
[04:37] <lifeless> PWill: but as kiko says, its almost certainly not a launchpad issue.
[04:37] <lifeless> PWill: as its affecting the list server for you too. 
[04:38] <Hobbsee> hiya lifeless 
[04:38] <lifeless> hi Hobbsee 
[04:38] <lifeless> congrat
[04:38] <lifeless> s
[04:38] <Hobbsee> lifeless: thankyou :)
[04:38] <Hobbsee> lifeless: i'ts another step in world domination :)
[04:46] <kiko> heh
[07:32] <jtv> Hey stub
[07:32] <stub> Yo
[07:37] <jtv> Went laptop-shopping yesterday.  Ever seen the Linux that Acer preinstalls?
[08:03] <lifeless> jtv: didn't know they did preinstalls
[08:10] <jtv> lifeless: they might as well not.  No X, for starters!
[08:10] <jtv> And no device info, so lspci is just about useless.
[08:11] <jtv> Now *that* is something we need in Ubuntu: a live cd that tells you which features on a laptop will work, and tests the ones it doesn't know about.
[08:13] <lifeless> jtv: gutsy has that
[08:14] <lifeless> feisty has that if you run it by hand
[08:15] <jtv> cool!
[08:16] <jtv> Does it also give the user the option to submit his compatibility info?
[08:48] <lifeless> jtv: yes
[09:13] <carlos> morning
[09:50] <ubotu> New bug: #118607 in launchpad "Affects upstream triggers error page "duplicate" project not found" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118607
[10:11] <ubotu> New bug: #118609 in malone ""List related bugs" doesn't work on hosts other than bugs.launchpad.net" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118609
[12:45] <ubotu> New bug: #118623 in launchpad "Hinder spambot registration" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118623
[01:00] <pygi> any idea why LP is timing out all the time :-/
[01:01] <siretart> pygi: works for me
[01:02] <pygi> siretart, offline now for maintenance
[01:15] <ubotu> New bug: #118625 in launchpad-bazaar "codebrowse sometimes hangs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118625
[02:07] <cprov> morning, guys
[02:28] <popey> launchpad wearing bouncy trousers today?
[02:31] <kiko> stub, Znarl: launchpad offline?
[02:32] <pygi> kiko, not anymore it seems
[02:32] <pygi> kwwii, !!! :)
[02:32] <kwwii> is launchpad really down or am I doing something stupid?
[02:32] <kwwii> hi pygi :-)
[02:32] <pygi> kwwii, it seems it's back now ^_^
[02:32] <pygi> but it was down
[02:32] <pygi> (or is it down again? :P)
[02:32] <pygi> seems so :-/
[02:32] <kiko> maybe it's  just one appserver
[02:33] <pygi> down again, yup
[02:33] <kwwii> well, I cannot register a new project, so at least that part is down
[02:33] <popey> been getting this on and off for a couple of hours
[02:36] <pygi> kwwii, now you can :P
[02:37] <kiko> some database work has been done
[02:37] <kiko> which is why we were having spotty perf
[02:37] <kiko> it's been stopped now
[02:37] <kiko> so things should be back to normal
[02:38] <popey> is it possible to take a bug that has been set as "fix released" in upstream and change that to "oh no it isn't" type status? 
[02:38] <popey> bug 112552
[02:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112552 in apt-mirror "Packages containing a tilde are deleted by clean.sh" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112552
[02:39] <popey> or does that come from upstream?
[02:40] <pochu> popey: if it's a bug watch, it comes from upstream, but you can change it to "Track the status here", so you can change status/importance
[02:40] <popey> as the upstream is an ubuntu person I'll leave it as tracking upstream and let them change it there, thanks
[02:42] <popey> thank you
[02:45] <kwwii> thanks, have fun!
[02:45] <ubotu> New bug: #118633 in launchpad "pofile import approver should connect as a different database user" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118633
[03:26] <pygi> hey phanatic 
[03:27] <phanatic> hey pygi :)
[03:30] <ubotu> New bug: #118638 in rosetta "Language pack export lacks some files that were exported before" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118638
[03:41] <jam-laptop> Hi all
[03:41] <jam-laptop> We have some more spam on the launchpad answers pages
[03:42] <jam-laptop> https://answers.launchpad.net/bzr/+question/7363
[03:42] <jam-laptop> This time they changed the actual question again
[03:42] <jam-laptop> hmm. maybe you already caught it
[05:27] <dneary> Hi
[05:27] <dneary> I have a real world example of a need to roll back a translation, unfortunately
[05:27] <danilo_> dneary: hi dave
[05:27] <dneary> Someone uploaded a .po based on a really old .pot file
[05:27] <dneary> Hi danilos
[05:28] <dneary> And over-wrote a much more recent translation which was missing a few strings with one which 100% translated an outdated version :{
[05:28] <danilos> dneary: we have to do that manually at the moment, so it's best if you file a question about it
[05:28] <danilos> dneary: hum, are you saying that someone overwrote translation done in Launchpad?
[05:28] <dneary> I don't even have an email address for the person for some reason - can't see it on their home page
[05:29] <dneary> danilos: I just downloaded the .po file (was going to convert & commit it) and saw there was a suspiciously large diff
[05:29] <danilos> dneary: can you point me at the translation so I take a look?
[05:30] <dneary> danilos: So I checked, and the POT creation date is October 2006
[05:30] <dneary> danilos: cs for wengophone
[05:30] <danilos> dneary: ok, thanks
[05:30] <danilos> dneary: so, October 2006 is too old, right?
[05:30] <dneary> The product is open, we need to look at our permissions system, but that was deliberate
[05:30] <dneary> danilos: I updated the last .pot in April
[05:31] <danilos> dneary: right, ok, I'll take a look and see what we can do
[05:31] <dneary> Ah - hold on
[05:31] <dneary> POT-creation-date might not mean what I think it means
[05:31] <danilos> dneary: (as an aside, if you use intltool, it should mean what you think it means :)
[05:32] <dneary> danilos: We use linguist
[05:32] <danilos> but, wengophone is not gnome app, so probably doesn't use intltool anyway
[05:32] <dneary> danilos: So I have to manually convert from .ts to .po and back
[05:32] <dneary> Pain in the arse
[05:32] <danilos> dneary: btw, Launchpad should gracefully handle all this
[05:33] <dneary> What's suspicious is a bunch of strings which are currently translated in our svn, which don't appear in the new .po files
[05:33] <dneary> Or which were translated, and now aren't
[05:34] <danilos> dneary: hum, that shouldn't happen, especially not since it says all messages are translated for Czech
[05:34] <danilos> (I am looking at trunk)
[05:34] <dneary> Example: "Use Yahoo! Japan server" <- Not in the .po files
[05:35] <dneary> Ah, bugger
[05:35] <dneary> I see the problem
[05:35] <dneary> The main branch is 2.1
[05:35] <dneary> I was downloading trunk files
[05:36] <dneary> I have previously set the 2.1 branch as "the main development branch"
[05:36] <dneary> I guess that doesn't set it as the default translation branch
[05:36] <danilos> dneary: btw, karma summary for the 'jarda' guy shows only 7-8 translation suggestions approved, so that's how many should be changed anyway
[05:36] <danilos> I am not sure how that bit works, I'll have to check
[05:36] <dneary> We don't do any approval of translations - it's completely open
[05:37] <danilos> carlos: how does one set main translation branch?
[05:37] <danilos> dneary: have you considered using a translation group for wengophone?
[05:38] <dneary> danilos: Yes
[05:38] <danilos> dneary: (I think we already talked about it, so I am just checking :)
[05:38] <dneary> danilos: Considered it, haven't yet gotten around to doing it
[05:39] <danilos> dneary: ah, ok, surer
[05:39] <dneary> But don't worry, I understand the problem I was having - downloading the wrong branch wasn't good
[05:39] <danilos> dneary: right, I'll check up on what's wrong with the default branch as well, and I'll let you know
[05:41] <danilos> dneary: btw, POT should always stay what you uploaded, no matter what translators upload, so it should be a nice check for you (and if it isn't the same, it could even be our bug)
[05:42] <dneary> OK
[05:42] <dneary> I can trust that :)
[05:42] <danilos> dneary: heh, thanks :)
[05:50] <danilos> dneary: ok, this is a bug in Launchpad that we don't display templates from main development focus branch (but rather, first branch registered which has templates)
[05:54] <danilos> dneary: bug #118663 if you want to track it
[05:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 118663 in rosetta "Translation overview page doesn't show translations for the main development focus branch" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118663
[05:56] <Rinchen> Hobbsee, congrats on "being Core" as beuno put it. :-) 
[05:56] <Hobbsee> Rinchen: thankyou :)
[05:57] <beuno> I thought it sounded cool  :D
[05:57] <beuno> congrats Hobbsee
[05:57] <Rinchen>  /nick Hobbsee Core
[05:58] <dneary> danilos: Thanks
[05:58] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:58] <Hobbsee> Rinchen: what do you work on?  launchpad?
[05:59] <pochu> beuno: you might want to do that for motus too ;)
[05:59] <Rinchen> Hobbsee, yes
[05:59] <danilos> Hobbsee: saying 'Rinchen works' is quite a stretch, though :)
[05:59] <beuno> pochu: I'd love to if someone would provide me with that information  :D
[05:59] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:59] <pochu> beuno: I will :)
[05:59] <Rinchen> Most of the time I cause FUD for kiko-afk 
[06:00] <pochu> beuno: or just subscribe to motu-council ML, if you prefer it.
[06:02] <beuno> pochu: that might work too
[06:02] <beuno> btw, you're in Murcia, right?
[06:02] <pochu> Right
[06:02] <pochu> beuno: but if you don't want to subscribe to more ML, I'll keep you up-to-date :)
[06:03] <pochu> When somebody's approved.
[06:03] <beuno> pochu: we can try both  :D
[06:03] <pochu> beuno: right :)
[06:03] <beuno> I'm going to be in murcia pro a couple of days the first days of july
[06:04] <pochu> I might be here :)
[06:04] <pochu> (though that's not for sure)
[06:04] <beuno> pochu: I'll email you when I know the exact date
[06:04] <pochu> Cool :)
[06:04] <beuno> I'll be bouncing around europe for about a month or so
[06:04] <beuno> debconf + visting clients
[06:05] <ubotu> New bug: #118663 in rosetta "Translation overview page doesn't show translations for the main development focus branch" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118663
[06:13] <cypherbios> lunch hour :)
[07:26] <dotwaffle> Wahey! My first bzr project created and uploaded to launchpad ;) 
[07:26] <radix> hooray!
[07:27] <dotwaffle> my task for the rest of the day is to find documentation to help me produce a team for it ;)
[07:35] <ubotu> New bug: #118671 in soyuz "Changelog-Close feature tries to close already-closed bugs." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118671
[07:41] <dotwaffle> If I've been publishing code to my own branch (for instance, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~dotwaffle/samaritansrotagui/trunk) and I now want to make it team-based, is there a document to help me? I've found https://help.launchpad.net/FeatureHighlights/TeamBranches but it deals with creating a branch rather than moving from solo development to team development. I've already created a team.
[07:44] <dotwaffle> never mind, changed registrant - should be documentation on that though, I think
[07:51] <ubotu> New bug: #118673 in launchpad-bazaar "codebrowse broken by dirstate-tags" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118673
[08:00] <cypherbios> Someone could tell me how can I remove a team from Launchpad?
[08:01] <salgado> cypherbios, that's currently not possible. there's a workaround, though
[08:02] <salgado> cypherbios, what's the team you want to get rid of?
[08:02] <cypherbios> salgado: ~ubuntu-br-garimpeiros
[08:02] <cypherbios> salgado: we are concentrated in ~ubuntu-br-doc now
[08:04] <matsubara> cypherbios: is that a team for serra pelada people?
[08:04] <cypherbios> ahhahaha
[08:04] <cypherbios> matsubara: almost
[08:05] <matsubara> :-)
[08:05] <salgado> cypherbios, you can remove all members and rename the team to something like 'deprecated-ubuntu-br-garimpeiros', also changing its description to state that
[08:05] <cypherbios> matsubara: it's for people who looks for content to wikify
[08:06] <cypherbios> salgado: ok, I'll do that. Thanks
[08:06] <salgado> cypherbios, then, if you want to get rid of your association with the team, you can reassign it to the 'registry' team
[08:07] <salgado> deleting teams is something very trick as there may be lots of things linked to a given team which we'll only find out when we try to delete the team
[08:07] <cypherbios> salgado: also It's better to change the policy to 'restricted' before reasign, isn't it?
[08:07] <salgado> yeah, that sounds like a good idea. it'll do no harm for sure
[08:21] <cypherbios> salgado: everything is clean. It's yours (or maybe matsubara's) now ;)
[08:22] <salgado> heh. did you reassign it to me?
[08:22] <cypherbios> salgado: no no, 'registry' :)
[08:22] <salgado> oh, okay. :)
[08:22] <cypherbios> https://launchpad.net/~deprecated-ubuntu-br-garimpeiros/
[08:22] <cypherbios> salgado: I forgot to change the homepage, but I think it's too late now
[08:23] <salgado> you should still be an admin of that team
[08:23] <salgado> unless you kicked yourself out before reassigning
[08:27] <cypherbios> salgado: I leaved the team =/
[09:00] <ubotu> New bug: #118653 in bzr "Need --no-backup flag or similar to upgrade remote repos on launchpad" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118653
[10:00] <beuno> quick question, why is this package not available for translation: https://translations.launchpad.net/pptpclient
[10:00] <beuno> or better yet. how can I help to get it on rosetta  :D
[10:03] <carlos> beuno: that URL is for use by pptpclient (do you mean pptp-ljnux?) developers
[10:04] <carlos> though, if you are interested on Ubuntu translations: this is the right URL https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+source/pptp-linux/
[10:04] <beuno> carlos: nope nope, the actual ppptclient package
[10:04] <carlos> although we don't have translations either
[10:04] <carlos> hmm
[10:04] <beuno> that's what I was aiming at  :D
[10:04] <carlos> ppptclient ?
[10:04] <beuno> yeap yeap
[10:05] <Kmos> !info pptclient
[10:05] <ubotu> Package pptclient does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[10:05] <carlos> I don't see that package
[10:05] <carlos> ubotu: thanks
[10:05] <ubotu> You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[10:05] <Kmos> :)
[10:05] <carlos> ;-)
[10:05] <beuno> argh, it might be in universe...
[10:05] <carlos> beuno: not with that name...
[10:05] <beuno> hmmmm
[10:05] <carlos> apt-cache search is not finding it either
[10:06] <beuno> you're actually right  :D
[10:06] <beuno> I need to hunt down the name for it then
[10:06] <carlos> :-)
[10:06] <beuno> thanks carlos
[10:06] <carlos> np
[10:07] <beuno> it's pptp-linux
[10:08] <beuno> but there still aren't any translations
[10:08] <beuno> and it's in main  :D
[10:09] <carlos> beuno: that package doesn't have any .po or .pot file
[10:10] <carlos> that's why it's not available to be translated in Launchpad 
[10:19] <carlos> good night
[10:45] <ubotu> New bug: #118698 in soyuz "Generate Release Files for PPA" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118698
[10:46] <radix> hey awesome, thanks and congrats on the file download support guys
[11:02] <jam-laptop> I just got more spam on: https://answers.launchpad.net/bzr/+question/7363
[11:03] <jam-laptop> Can we just block pipa's account?
[11:03] <jam-laptop> mthaddon: ^^
[11:03] <jam-laptop> do we need a "mark comment as spam" link?
[11:03] <mthaddon> jam-laptop: thx - will remove those comments and disable the user
[11:04] <jam-laptop> thanks mthaddon 
[11:04] <mthaddon> np
[11:07] <mthaddon> jam-laptop: those have been removed and the user disabled
[11:07] <jam-laptop> mthaddon: thanks again
[12:00] <ubotu> New bug: #118708 in malone "Package maintainers can't set priorities of their own packages" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118708