=== aspro [n=aspro@ppp210-90.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Watersevenub [n=Watersev@242-93.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:34] hi minghua [12:34] LaserJock, !! [12:35] hello LaserJock [12:35] hi pygi === jml [n=jml@CPE-124-177-23-81.vic.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:49] pygi: i came up with a question for you if you have a few moments. [12:49] etank, oki, pm [12:49] sure [12:49] if I know, I can answer ^_^ === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-devel === iwj_ [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:57] LaserJock, did we backport deboostrap from gutsy to feisty-backports? [12:57] I think it actually goes into -updates [12:58] LaserJock, understood, thanks === lfittl [n=lfittl@2001:6f8:107e:40:213:2ff:fe05:abdb] has joined #ubuntu-devel === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-94-19.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sandgroper [n=tomubunt@211.27.201.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel === aspro [n=geoff@ppp210-90.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kioshen [n=Kioshen@modemcable159.217-57-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kioshen [n=Kioshen@modemcable159.217-57-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-94-19.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.104.160] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pkl [n=phillip@lougher.demon.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml [n=jml@121.44.221.232] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yasumoto [n=joe@cpe-75-84-49-174.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ubunt1 [n=ubuntu64@197.Red-80-59-135.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:46] hi [02:46] how can i program. [02:46] c++ === ubunt1 [n=ubuntu64@197.Red-80-59-135.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === mx-zoom [n=zupaer-t@bl11-32-44.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RAOF [n=Chris_@matht464.maths.unsw.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ripl [n=ripl@p5080D82B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sandgroper [n=tomubunt@211.27.201.249] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] [03:01] where is hobbsee? === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypher1 [n=cypher1@c-68-83-184-230.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yasumoto [n=joe@adsl-69-234-180-177.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:54] morning all === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === [PUPPETS] Gonzo [i=gonzo@80.69.47.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:15] Hello Hobbsee [04:15] hi racarr :) [04:15] How are you? [04:16] meh. [04:16] reading backscroll and such, thinking about actually going to uni today === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.5.64.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:19] That might be a good idea. [04:20] yeah, maybe. [04:20] In other news, I made nautilus crackful! http://www.rpi.edu/~carrr/woo.png [04:20] (different wallpapers) [04:21] heh, nice :) [04:30] Mithrandir: GPL copyright holder seems to be using a pseudonym for his name, is this legal, or acceptable for a package that I want to get into Debian and Ubuntu? I am currently working on one now that is like that. thanks! [04:32] nixternal: he'll be asleep, FYI === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:32] ya, I kind of figured that...to bad I didn't have his phone number ;p [04:32] LaserJock! [04:32] nixternal: it'd still require actually claling the correct number, evenif you had it [04:33] any other archive admins awake or around? [04:33] unlikely [04:33] it's au day [04:33] hrmm, seems like pitti said g'nite 8 hours ago...about time he woke up :) [04:34] it was a weekend 8 hours ago in most countries, still [04:34] yes, but he needs to wake up and help me...I mean go to work ;p [04:38] hehe === etank [n=etank@ubuntu/member/etank] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RAOF [n=Chris_@matht464.maths.unsw.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tonyy [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-131-30.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === statik_ [n=emurphy@canonical/launchpad/statik] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HTSJacket [n=kevin@c-24-98-52-235.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:24] morning guys [06:25] hi fabbione! [06:25] yo [06:25] hey jsgotangco [06:26] hi! [06:26] hi Burgundavia === Yasumoto [n=joe@adsl-69-234-180-177.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml [n=jml@203-113-250-169-static.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === did447 [n=didier@mon75-2-81-57-110-167.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:21] Good morning [07:23] hey pitti [07:26] hi pitti! [07:27] hi pitti and Hobbsee [07:27] hiya LaserJock :) === Lure [n=lure@89-212-19-55.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.5.64.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti_ [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti_ is now known as pitti === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === aspro [n=aspro@ppp210-90.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yasumoto [n=joe@adsl-69-234-180-177.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === aspro [n=aspro@ppp210-90.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === aspro_ [n=geoff@ppp210-90.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zerbero__2 [n=jga@pD9527B71.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jonib1 [n=jonas@213.212.2.165] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54a6711f.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zerbero__2 [n=jga@pD9527B71.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:45] morning folks [08:45] hi siretart [08:45] Mithrandir: can you please give back xine-lib on all archs? (again, this time it should work, since I fixed ffmpeg, again) [08:45] hey pitti === Lure [n=lure@212.103.157.25] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:47] hi siretart === siretart hugs Hobbsee === Hobbsee hugs siretart! [08:49] :) === nixternal hugs his pillow === Spads [n=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti is now known as pitti_laptop === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomaszD_ [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:07] siretart: given-back === mario_ [n=mario@83-131-19-149.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mario_ is now known as pygi === carlos [n=carlos@canonical/launchpad/carlos] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-85-27-113-187.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:19] Riddell, LongPointyStick: Any idea about digikaminageplugins? It's uninstallable, but ISTR someone mentioning that it is obsolete? === RAOF [n=Chris_@matht464.maths.unsw.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arby [n=richard@shiny.york.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml_ [n=jml@121.44.221.232] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:28] Mithrandir: should I ask you to review an upload for feisty-backports? or should I just find a core-dev to upload it? (because I believe I can't upload to -backports as a motu) [09:29] Adri2000: is there a reason it can't be done through the normal backports process? [09:31] Wah. Why does next doors band have to practice when I'm crabby, tired and have a headache? [09:31] Mithrandir: yes, it requires a newer version of libgnutls than the one available in the feisty archive. the patch which fixes that is known to work because it is also used in the current package in feisty [09:31] A street-wide power outage appeals, but that doesn't fix the drum kit. [09:32] Adri2000: hm, ok. You don't need pre-approval from archive to upload to backports, but you should have coordinated with the backports team. As long as that's done, please feel free to find a core-dev sponsor === Gman is now known as GmanAFK [09:33] ok [09:33] hi StevenK === StevenK waves === timfrost [n=tim@125-238-156-109.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:36] pygi: yes, we did backport it. use 'rmadison -u ubuntu debootstrap' on gutsy to see [09:36] cjwatson, thanks [09:36] StevenK, did you ever get about-window packaged? [09:37] it goes into -backports [09:37] pitti: digikamimageplugins is included in digikam now, I have opened bug to remove it from archive [09:37] cjwatson, thought so. thanks :) [09:37] pitti: ubuntu-archive is subscribed to bug [09:37] Lure: ah, then I'll look at those right now; thanks [09:39] it's gone [09:40] doko_: any idea about the uninstallability of libgcj7-awt? [09:41] doko_: it depends on an old version of gcj-4.1-base [09:41] oh, it's NBS === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:42] doko_: so, it seems we need to rebuild openoffice.org to have openoffice.org-officebean drop its libgcj7-awt dependency, then we can remove it [09:43] right now, -officebean is uninstallable [09:46] mpt: Somewhat. === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F752E4.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:53] good morning [09:54] morning dholbach [09:54] hi pygi === pitti [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:02] good morning dholbach! [10:03] hello dholbach, pygi and mvo [10:03] hey highvoltage :) === chand| [n=rsamson@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:04] hey mvo [10:04] hey highvoltage [10:04] hey highvoltage [10:05] pitti: correct, but the openoffice.org-officebean should be in universe anyway [10:05] will have to update the OOo build today [10:06] oh, ok, I can demote it [10:06] doko_: it's not in anastacia, thus likely seeded [10:06] doko_: shall I unseed it? [10:07] doko_: it's currently in the 'development' section [10:09] hmm, not now, let's see how this works with openJDK. put on my "things to remember for gutsy" [10:11] doko_: For a main merge, are -java-gcj packages still required? === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ssam [n=ssam@87.127.117.246] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:16] doko_: ok; FYI, I removed libgcj-awt since it is uninstallable anyway [10:16] doko_: Happy birthday! [10:18] argh, vmware kernel mod doesn't build for 2.6.22; so back to 2.6.20, brb === Watersevenub [n=Watersev@242-26.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:23] 15:22 s/h/mac_header/ [10:23] 15:22 s/nh/network_header/ [10:23] pitti: ^-- advice on fixing vmmon/userif.c [10:23] er, vmnet [10:23] oh, sweet, thanks [10:27] nah wait [10:27] it's not enough [10:27] StevenK: yes, they speed up interpreted code quiet a lot [10:27] lool: thanks :) [10:27] pitti: chinstrap:~bcollins/vmnet.tar [10:27] doko: hey old man [10:27] doko: Many happy returns! [10:28] that's even better, thanks fabbione === glatzor [n=sebi@p57aef9cd.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:34] doko: happy birthday from me too [10:34] oh, birthday! [10:34] doko, happy birthday ^_^ === ompaul [n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@195.244.169.43] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pochu [n=emilio@51.Red-83-57-164.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chand| [n=rsamson@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alex-weej [n=alex@halls-129-31-82-59.hor.ic.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pochu [n=emilio@51.Red-83-57-164.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === GmanAFK is now known as Gman [11:05] pitti: yes, it is obsolete, Lure will tell you if it can just be deleted now [11:05] Riddell: thanks; I killed it already [11:05] cool === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:07] mpt: Hello, have you already found the time to look at the user interface of displayconfig? === munckfish [n=munckfis@217.150.115.62] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:12] glatzor, yes, sorry I haven't replied yet [11:12] I had a couple of questions === sn0 [n=sno_@cpc3-blfs6-0-0-cust294.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:13] * Is this intended to replace gnome-display-properties? [11:13] (and if not, why not?) [11:13] mpt: the spec discusses that [11:13] mpt: I would like to. Mdz would like to have it as an advanced button. [11:13] displayconfig-gtk [11:13] oh, there's a spec? [11:14] yeah, a gutsy target [11:14] mpt: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DisplayConfigGTK [11:15] ah === simira [n=simira@aine.err.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:15] I did skim that page, but I was looking for the screenshots so I didn't even notice it was a spec :-/ [11:16] doko: FYI, I fix libbcel-java-doc not to depend on libxerces2-java-doc, since the latter does not exist; ok with you? [11:17] mpt: I came up with a redesign here recently: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2007-May/001057.html === bashelier [n=bashelie@srv122.hosteur.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:18] doko: alternatively I can move libbcel-java-doc to multiverse, so that it becomes installable; what do you prefer? [11:18] glatzor, I think we can handle the cases of one screen, two screens, and three screens all in the same window without it getting complicated [11:18] and that would be far preferable to having three different UIs for those three cases === ubijtsa2 [n=ubijtsa@karlsson.force9.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:19] glatzor, what happens in the window when you plug in an extra monitor? Does it appear in the list automatically? [11:19] pitti: hmm, maybe make it a recommends instead of a depends === sacater [n=sacater@host86-136-58-86.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:20] doko: right, I dropped it to Suggests: [11:20] oh, nm, I should just read the spec first === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:20] mpt: that is not supported on all cards (hardware side) furthermore it is also not supported by X [11:21] glatzor: (yet) [11:21] it will be soonish [11:21] Mithrandir: Do you know when there will be a dbus interface roughly? === mdz [n=mdz@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:22] glatzor: I think X hotplug is 7.3 material, but it might be later. [11:23] glatzor, so how are you supposed to set it up? Is there supposed to be a "Detect" button somewhere? Or do you need to restart the computer? [11:23] Mithrandir: I thought you were talking about emitting a device change signal. [11:23] glatzor: *shrug*; that's utterly trivial once all the other bits are in place. [11:25] mpt: We still use the xorg.conf for the configuration. So you have to restart your X server. I already send a signal to gdm to do this if you made any corresponding changes. So logging off should be sufficient. [11:25] Ok, there needs to be a sentence to that effect in this window [11:26] Otherwise people will stand there staring at it waiting while nothing happens [11:26] mpt: you get a dialog depending on the changes. === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:26] mpt: we can apply some changes instantly using xrandr [11:26] I'm not talking about having changed settings, I'm talking about plugging in another display [11:27] mpt: Oh, the available screens are tried to guess from the hardware. === didymo [n=ashley@61.9.197.223] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:27] x server 1.3 supports output hotplug (=randr 1.2), it's just that only the intel driver supports that properly [11:27] mpt: If there is no screen attached to the output we just show it as disabled. [11:27] glatzor, what do you mean by "the output"? [11:28] mpt: the output jacket of your graphics card. [11:28] Riddell: can you please unseed strigi from the Kubuntu seeds as long as it (and the plethora of build deps and deps) are still in universe? [11:28] Riddell: I can do it as well if you give me your ok [11:28] pitti: why? I hope to get it into main soon and the seeds should reflect what is wanted [11:29] Riddell: it generates a lot of clutter in anastacia, but I can try to ignore it [11:29] mpt: For example ATI cards with dual head support are detected by their pci string: it contains the term "Secondary" [11:29] but in general, things should be seeded when they have MIRs [11:30] glatzor, does that mean that because I might one day plug a USB monitor into one of my USB ports, this window needs to contain one disabled item for each of my USB ports? [11:31] usb monitor? [11:31] mpt: if there are any USB monitors: yes. [11:31] mpt: but luckily that is not the case [11:31] tepsipakki: do you know is xrandr will send a XRRNotifyEvent if a additional monitor is pluged in? [11:32] mpt: We are just limited by the available technologies === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:32] mpt: I'd argue no, since USB is a general interface while your display connectors are hardly useful for anything but plugging in monitors. [11:32] iwj: any chance I could grab a bit of your time today to get some bits of dpkg svn merged into our package? [11:32] I was confused by http://computing.kelkoo.co.uk/b/a/cp_114401_filter_interface_usb.html === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:32] It looks like it's selling USB monitors, but apparently not [11:33] woo, usplash console font handling fixed [11:33] there goes a big load of bugs [11:33] mvo: no idea.. [11:33] cjwatson: oh aye? [11:33] mpt: There are USB video interfaces (I have one), but not yet monitors. [11:34] mpt: ah, they could have usb hubs in the m :) [11:34] yeah [11:34] -" " [11:34] heh [11:34] mpt: however, if you have a USB video interface with no connected monitor, showing it as disabled is fine. IMO, at least. === H4wk_cz [n=david@3.138.broadband4.iol.cz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:34] Mithrandir: Sure. I haven't looked at the svn changes in detail. Did you have any particular things in mind \/ [11:34] Keybuk: if you switch to graphics mode and back, the kernel doesn't save the previous console font for you - so the console-setup initramfs business to set the font early wasn't working [11:34] s,\\/,? [11:35] cjwatson: ahh [11:35] Keybuk: fix is to get usplash to save the console font before switching to KD_GRAPHICS, and restore it after switching back to KD_TEXT [11:35] bug 91422 and friends [11:35] Launchpad bug 91422 in console-setup "FEISTY: ctrl alt f1 terminal doesn't work with special characters (, ..)" [Undecided,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/91422 [11:35] iwj: the changes needed for lpia are in svn; I'm not sure of the exact set of commits we want to merge, but I could find it for you [11:36] glatzor, is the "primary screen" the one on which the panels appear? [11:36] Mithrandir: If you know what you're looking for then yes, sure. If you point me at it I'd be happy to merge it in. (It might be trivial.) === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:37] mpt: I would recommend to look at this screenshot: http://glatzor.de/filesink/allinone.png [11:37] Or alternative I'm happy to do the digging. [11:37] s/ive/&ly [11:37] mpt: this is what I am planing to upload soon. [11:37] mpt: yes. the primary screen is the default/main screen [11:38] iwj: if you'd like, please. It should be mostly limited to dpkg-architecture and is a week-ish old. [11:38] iwj: anything mentioning "lpia" is interesting [11:39] mpt: the displayconfig can already handle unplugged primary screens by showing a move displayconfig dialog to this screen buttons on every screen. [11:39] Mithrandir: OK, I'll take a look. Do you have a cutoff date before which it definitely won't be there ? [11:41] glatzor, that would be no use if you couldn't launch it in the first place :-) === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:42] iwj: anything older than May 15th should be uninteresting. [11:42] that should leave you with 30-odd commits to go through, I think [11:43] mpt: Displayconfig will also be used in the failed x session [11:43] Mithrandir: Thanks, that should be NP. [11:43] mpt: furthermore you have to relay on the Window manager to not open the dialog window on the correct screen. [11:44] mpt: to not open the dialog on the wrong screen === H4wk_cz [n=david@3.138.broadband4.iol.cz] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [11:48] iwj: If you're going to do an dpkg upload, I've noticed update-alternatives throwing a Perl warning. I just can't recall more details at this point. [11:49] StevenK: I'll check my diff. I might have missed a `my'. [11:49] (The merge from Debian included turning warnings on.) [11:50] there's a slew of commits in Debian which fixes warnings too [11:50] (And a concomitant coding style change.) [11:50] Maybe we should just merge from the SVN head. [11:50] I'll see what it looks like and decide. === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:51] I wouldn't mind [11:51] glatzor, if you could rely on the window manager to do that, then half this problem would go away: you wouldn't need a list of displays, because each display could have its own settings window. === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:52] mpt: that is definitely a cool idea. === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:52] Can you rely on Metacity to get it right, at least? [11:53] mpt: oh, but how to enable screens? [11:53] mpt: could be a little bit tricky :) [11:53] mpt: not with metacity, but on a lower level. [11:56] glatzor, ah, so that's where the auto-detection is required, hmm [11:57] glatzor, what do you mean by "on a lower level"? [11:57] mpt: and that is also where you depend on the hardware again. there is no guarantee that the output on the screen is actually visible for a human. [11:58] mpt: we cannot detect jammed outputs from the software side. [11:58] "jammed"? [11:58] tepsipakki: yay, no more xlibs-dev [11:59] mpt: with not working/broken configurations. [11:59] oh === mpt wonders how OS X gets away with it === pitti jumps for joy: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/langpacks/daily/gutsy/ ./ [11:59] Supporting a limited subset of displays, perhaps [11:59] carlos: ^ thank you [12:00] pitti: :-) [12:00] cool [12:00] pitti: Yay! [12:01] # [12:01] Oops. [12:01] "Parlez vous francais" anyone? [12:02] Riddell: could you please test the brand new gutsy langpacks for KDE? (French and English) [12:02] mpt, you can plug almost any display/projector into mac os x, and it will automagically enable it (though there is a button to tell it to redetect monitors) [12:02] mpt: You cannot prevent that the user chooses the wrong CRT, since many monitors identify themselves incorrectly. So you have to allow enforcing a configuration. [12:03] pitti: app-install-data-ubuntu is uploaded, I have a small fix for g-a-i as well, do you want it too? or should I wait until the freeze is over? [12:04] ssam, right, I wasn't wondering about the detection (any more), I was wondering how OS X doesn't have the problem with (as glatzor says) choosing the wrong CRT [12:05] mvo: freeze hasn't even begun yet, so feel free [12:05] pitti: heh :) ok, looks like I haven't catched up yet :) [12:06] Oh, that's right. I ought to get Tribe 1 for my birthday. [12:06] I think we should delay it by a day so I'll get it for mine [12:06] Riddell: the new kde-guidance b-depens on python-kde3 3.17.2-1ubuntu2, but that does not appear to be in the archive yet? [12:07] Mithrandir: I think I get it for mine due to timezones. [12:07] Mithrandir: But it seems we share a birthday. [12:07] StevenK: yes, we do [12:07] mvo: yeah, getting to it now [12:08] Yay me for forgetting that. [12:08] Riddell: cool, thanks (no pressure, I was just wondering if it was intentional or not) [12:08] pitti: did you find somebody speaking french already? === mvo goes for lunch now [12:08] mvo: enjoy [12:08] Riddell: I cleaned up the patches folder in the displayconfig bzr repository. The pathces now have got better names and there is a STATUS file to keep track of merges [12:09] dholbach: nope; any popular language will do, it's just testing the new gutsy langpacks a bit before uploading [12:09] dholbach: German looks good here for Gnome [12:09] glatzor: ok , cool. I havn't heard from sime for a while so not sure what the best way is to just merge those upstream [12:10] pitti: ah ok [12:10] glatzor: probably keep pinging him and just merge them if he doesn't show up [12:10] pitti: sure [12:10] dholbach: I'll just test Russian myself, I think, that will be fine; if a KDE guy tests some KDE packages, that should suffice [12:10] Riddell: merci :) === gicmo [n=gicmo@p5491D3AA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mc44_ [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure_ [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [n=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:26] Riddell: Russian, German, and English looks good for Gnome; let's hope the best for KDE, too :) === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-devel.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with gutsy; not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/edgy/feisty | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Gutsy open, go ape! === Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by siretart at Sun May 27 17:27:58 2007 [12:44] carlos: ah, I had a look [12:44] carlos: so, e. g. gnome-panel-2.0.mo is in language-pack-gnome-de-base_6.06+20070129_all.deb [12:45] carlos: and also in the later update [12:45] carlos: s/the/a/ [12:46] carlos: so the latest language-pack-gnome-de replaced the files in -base, and now they are gone from installations [12:47] carlos: that at least explains why there is no gnome-panel-2.0.mo *at all* on an updated dapper === ivoks [n=ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:47] carlos: I'm not sure whether the presence of the mo is due to me not cleaning up the source packages on import (for various reasons), or due to Rosetta dropping the .po files at some point in the updates tarball [12:51] glatzor, replied to your original message [12:52] pitti: I'm working on the DB to see whether we removed them because the files don't have any update since our last base package update (Last January) [12:52] pitti: in which case it means is correct [12:53] carlos: DB-wise it would be correct, yeah, then I need to always build the packages against their previous version instead of from scratch [12:55] carlos: so AFAICS this should only affect dapper, since for edgy we didn't do a base upgrade === Zdra_ [n=zdra@195.244.169.43] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@195.244.169.43] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:00] mpt: I am writing on my reply [01:00] mpt: macos shows the config dialog on each display? [01:01] mpt: So it cannot providing cloning/duplicating of screens? [01:02] mdz: yep, about time to get rid of it :) [01:02] mpt: ah, there is a mirror checkbutton. but how does this work on more than two monitors? [01:04] pitti: sorry, I don't get you. Aren't we already doing that? [01:04] carlos: IOW, I cannot just build dapper langpacks from your tarball, but update the existing ones with your tarball [01:04] carlos: it's pretty clear to me now [01:05] pitti: I have two kind of language packs [01:05] a full one [01:05] and updates based on that one [01:06] dapper is doing update based on latest full export for Dapper which was on 2007-01-15 [01:06] carlos: right; somehow e. g. gnome-panel-2.0.po landed in an update pack after the base refreshment [01:06] s/dapper is doing/launchpad is doing for dapper/ [01:06] and due to that I *always* have to ship gnome-panel-2.0 in the update packs [01:06] that was what we tried to solve with January update [01:07] pitti: don't you remember that? [01:07] carlos: of course I do [01:07] we did a full base update to restore some removed packages that were being exported by mistake from Launchpad [01:07] but somehow the affected .po files still landed in the update packages afterwards [01:07] pitti: then, does it mean it happen again? [01:08] once we fixed it, if it lands to the packages, it means they should remain there... [01:08] or we have a bug... === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-19-155.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zerbero__2 [n=jga@pD9527B71.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [01:09] I'm not sure when and where that originated, and I guess we don't have those old update tarballs any more [01:09] carlos: anyway, I'll build the new ones based on the current ones to ensure that files will not get lost [01:09] glatzor, with OS X mirroring multiple screens is not obvious [01:09] you Option+drag one display onto another in the Arrange tab [01:10] pitti: my question is [01:10] The Arrange tab appears only on the primary display, not any of the others. [01:10] would that produce that we have some Dapper users that lost .mo files like we had before January's update? [01:11] glatzor, more details and screenshots at http://www.macinstruct.com/node/78 [01:11] carlos: if I built update packages just from your tarball now, yes, it would [01:14] pitti: hmm, are you completely sure you didn't add those .mo files manually? [01:14] pitti: you said you did it in the past [01:14] and I wonder whether would be possible that we disabled it too late [01:15] carlos: that's what I said; I nuked the existing update packages after the base refreshment of course [01:15] carlos: but at some point they crawled into the daily update packages again [01:15] ok [01:15] so I'd think that *at some point* they have been part of the updated tarballs from you [01:15] but I cannot say when [01:15] (at some point after the base refreshment) [01:16] pitti: are you able to provide me with a list of missing files? [01:16] mpt: by the way the new XRandR hotplug thing does not support multiple graphics cards. [01:16] carlos: I think I could do that if you need them, yes [01:16] carlos: I'll build good ones over lunch and then debdiff them [01:16] pitti: well, that's the only way I could 'force' to get those files exported again [01:17] pitti: either that or do another base update... [01:17] although I would like to see why did we get this regression [01:17] s/see/know/ [01:17] carlos: I don't think we actually need to do that, but let's keep the list for the future anyway [01:17] mpt: what does the "gather windows" button? [01:18] pitti: well, if we don't export missing files, people using Dapper will see again some applications in English [01:18] carlos: no, because I will build them using the existing packages in -updates [01:19] oh [01:19] mpt: and how do you disable a monitor again on MacOS? [01:20] so you get previous source in Dapper and will add the ones provided by Launchpad? === aspro [n=geoff@ppp210-90.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:20] carlos: right [01:20] I see [01:20] ok [01:20] carlos: that's how I build them normally [01:20] carlos: because it easily allows me to avoid updating packages which did not change at all [01:20] glatzor, you turn it off, I guess. [01:20] I just nuked them today to clean up rookery, but I restored them [01:21] carlos: at some point I either need to rewrite langpack-o-matic from scratch, or we can build the source packages straight from Rosetta... [01:21] pitti: good trick [01:21] pitti: I would like to build packages from Rosetta directlyu [01:21] but we are not yet there [01:21] glatzor, "Gather Windows" moves all windows that are on other displays onto the display in which you click the button. === iceman [n=iceman@cable-87-244-154-165.upc.chello.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:22] So if a display stops working for whatever reason you can get the windows back. [01:22] oh wait, cancel that [01:22] aha [01:23] It moves only the display settings windows from the secondary displays onto the primary display. [01:23] actually, no (I'll get this right eventually) [01:23] mpt: the other way would make more sense. [01:23] It moves the display settings windows from the other displays onto the display where you click the button. [01:23] that makes sense. [01:24] mpt: it is a funny idea to put the dialogs on the devices. [01:24] indeed [01:24] mpt: but how does this work with cloned monitors? [01:24] It's called "direct manipulation" ;-) [01:25] glatzor, I don't know. If I had to guess, I'd guess that the display is cloned *except for* the display settings windows. [01:25] mpt: I think that this could actually be done using XRandR. [01:26] cool [01:26] AFAIK It allows to clone only a part of the screen. But I don't know if it allows to exlcude a part :) [01:27] Yeah, "clone everything except this window" [01:27] That's what Linux people call ... violation of ... something [01:27] "rampant layering violation" [01:29] but it is really strange that there is no disable screen button [01:31] mpt: "If you move icons from your main monitor to your secondary and then disconnect the secondary monitor, those icons may disappear. They will still be there when you have one monitor connected, but the way to get them back would be to highlight everything and then select "Clean Up Selection" from the View menu in the Finder, or select an "Arrange By..." also in the View menu in the Finder." [01:31] mpt: so they cannot handle disabled devices at all :) [01:31] That can't be true, because then you'd lose entire windows [01:31] hmmmm === zerbero__2 [n=jga@pD9E60580.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:34] I agree that rearranging icons when you lose a display sucks [01:34] mpt: Apple does not always to the things in the right way too :) === thesaltydog [n=fabio@ubuntu/member/thesaltydog] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thesaltydog [n=fabio@ubuntu/member/thesaltydog] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] [01:35] mpt: on GNOME the situation is even wore since the desktop is always oriented to the upper left. [01:36] glatzor, I know, sometimes Apple does things very badly [01:36] mpt: so if you have got a screen left of your main screen, the icons would show up there [01:36] oh, that's not good [01:36] Nautilus bug? [01:36] mpt: I don't know. [01:36] mpt: perhaps intended. [01:37] mpt: by the way I replied on the list. [01:37] Ah, I knew I'd read about this before: "Disconnect the external display, and the right thing will happen, where by 'right thing' I mean that any windows which were open on the no-longer-available display will be moved to the internal display, and resized, if necessary, to fit." [01:38] So it moves+resizes the windows automatically, just not the icons [01:38] that is cool. 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Line 2197? === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.99.251] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:20] pitti: welcome back ... dapper build done? [02:22] asac: yep [02:22] pitti: cool ... everything prepared for the diff.gz only arrival on edgy/feisty? [02:22]