[12:15] eek forgot to move packaging copyright to bottom but hopefully that doesn't really matter... === thedonvaughn [n=jayson@unaffiliated/printk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:20] any revu admins kindly available? [12:20] what do you need? [12:21] Hey all. [12:21] morning TheMuso [12:21] LaserJock, remove my account and files that was created yesterday, so that I may re-open it with my correct gnupg key [12:22] thedonvaughn: you've updated the key on Launchpad? [12:22] LaserJock, yes [12:22] LaserJock, the issue is i was never able to get my password. I uploaded one package with my old key, and i can not decrypt it because of an error with my elg-e secondary key [12:25] hey TheMuso :) [12:25] TheMuso: I have a question about network-manager-ovpn [12:26] TheMuso: why didn't you add the patch 02_fix_wrong_awk_path.diff in the Debian package ? [12:28] TheMuso: oups I'm sorry, you're not the one I was looking for for this package ^^", anyway, I have qestion about adonthell-data [12:30] bug #118508 - TheMuso: I reviewed bashelier's merge of adonthell-data [12:30] Launchpad bug 118508 in adonthell-data "Please merge adonthell-data 0.3.4.cvs.20050903 from Debian Unstable (main)" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/118508 [12:30] !factoid [12:30] I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots [12:31] TheMuso: and I'm not sure of "Update Italian translation." which you put as a remaining change [12:32] TheMuso: it's not in the previous ubuntu changelog entry, and my guess is that these .po changes come from MoM's output, and that you thought they were real changes [12:34] geser, Lutin: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xulrunner/+bug/118500 [12:34] Launchpad bug 118500 in xulrunner "Please merge xulrunner (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Rejected] [12:34] Adri2000: Yes thats right. I wasn't sure what happened back then, so leaving that out of the new entry is fine. === pygi [n=mario@83-131-94-35.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:35] hi hi [12:35] ok, thanks TheMuso. bashelier: so you can fix that [12:36] Adri2000: ok [12:36] Adri2000: would you mind to review 118030 too? :) [12:36] bug 118030 [12:36] Launchpad bug 118030 in listen "Please merge Listen 0.5-3 from Debian Unstable (main)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/118030 [12:39] pochu: #87959 is already closed, so no need to mention it in the remaining changes, otherwise soyuz will try to re-close it :) === tmarble [n=tmarble@user-38q4et6.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:40] Adri2000: done [12:42] Adri2000: It was for reference. Would "#87959" be OK (instead of "LP: #") [12:43] LaserJock: it's dirty, but someone has to do it. Besides, many of our bug reports come from there (even though they're not reported as bugs...) [12:43] I'm probably missing a good 70% of ALSA bugs simply by not reading UF consistently === jml [n=jml@CPE-124-177-23-81.vic.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:44] crimsun: yeah, that's the bugger of it [12:45] pochu: personally I don't put the bug number at all in the remaining changes. but if you prefer to put it, no problem, I'll keep it with "LP:" (I hope soyuz can handle it :p) [12:45] anyhow, back into hell. [12:45] for all the junk and noise, there is a certainly amount of good stuff there [12:46] thedonvaughn: ok, got the keyring synced, what packages did you upload? [12:50] LaserJock: crimsun maybe someone can work out some LP/VBF bridge :P [12:51] LaserJock, thanks, i sent you a pm [12:52] joejaxx: yeah, the Forums guys have some proposals on that ;-) [12:52] ;) [12:54] Adri2000: so do you find it ok? :) [12:55] joejaxx: I'm tired of waiting for something to happen, and meanwhile, hundreds of potential bug reports are being lost in the cracks. This reflects poorly on my work, on Ubuntu and its derivatives, and generally, I just don't have time for this mess. [12:56] crimsun: yeah :\ [12:56] crimsun: maybe UF should point people to launchpad [12:56] well, they've added some LP linkage [12:56] and a FAQ on how to submit a useful bugs [12:56] I think you can link *to* LP from UF [12:57] s/a//g [12:57] I'm pretty sure they already have FAQ/Stickies on that [01:00] pochu: I'll upload it as soon as I've finished with bashelier's merge [01:02] LaserJock: so why are people still submitting bugs on the forums? :\ [01:02] "submitting" [01:02] joejaxx, they'll always do that, you can't stop them [01:02] joejaxx: because people don't read [01:02] the don't know what's a bug and what isn't [01:03] that's not necessarily an issue. [01:03] because they would have to leave the forums and sign up on LP [01:03] What _is_ an issue is that there is no way for devs to cull this information from UF. === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:03] because they want a quick solution to their problem and not run around LP [01:03] i am surprised more people have not been using answers.lp [01:03] crimsun: yes, I agree [01:03] joejaxx: they won't use what they don't know about [01:04] LaserJock: true [01:04] maybe there needs to be a forum announcement [01:04] I agree that a user shouldn't _have_ to use launchpad [01:04] I do not agree that there is not _employed_ Canonical structure in place to make it happen [01:05] Hey crimsun, upstream fixed the copyright and wondered whether http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5358 is good for an advocation yet? :) [01:05] We simply cannot expect anyone - users, maintainers, developers, whatever - to read _everything_ before asking for help [01:06] And likewise, those of us hacking upstream and downstream don't have resources to ferret out all these posts [01:06] joejaxx, whenever i see someone reporting a bug on the forum I point them towards launchpad... but I don't see everythign and it just needs more people pointing the others :) [01:06] PriceChild: :) [01:06] PriceChild: I'm not even close to finishing my Forum stomp, sorry. Perhaps in a few hours if someone else hasn't stepped up. [01:07] Haha :) I'm off to bed soon so I won't notice :P [01:07] 28124 posts? Right. [01:07] And this is just Hardware & Laptops. :( [01:08] crimsun: do you think some sort of extended search engine would help? [01:08] have an external search engine spider the forums [01:08] or certain parts [01:08] joejaxx: that would still require someone to _search_, which may be useful for new users but certainly doesn't assist a resource-starved dev [01:08] crimsun: true [01:09] so we want the information to be pre-presented [01:09] in some sort of organized fashion [01:09] think about it: users and devs are identical. We all want information at our fingertips. The difference is that the latter wants pertinent information to resolve the former's symptoms. [01:09] yeah [01:11] A new version of network-manager-pptp, which closes lots of bugs, including a bit AMD64 crasher, is available for revu: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5361 [01:11] It's been tested by people on LP bugs and received good feedback. [01:12] crimsun: yeah, I just don't know really how you do much about that [01:12] in a concrete sense [01:13] Plug: remember to mention the debian/control change. [01:14] as a changelog entry? [01:14] yes. [01:15] also, update COPYING in the root of the extracted source package. The FSF address is outdated. [01:16] I've been prompted about that by lintian before. Has it changed again more recently than feisty's release? [01:17] crimsun: mind taking a look at bug 118517 when you get a chance? [01:17] Launchpad bug 118517 in plucker "[Gutsy Merge] Please merge plucker (1.8-21ubuntu1) from Debian Unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/118517 [01:17] Plug: no, but the version distributed in the source package still uses the obsolete one [01:17] pochu: what about the change "Don't modify listen.py's hashbang (it's not there anymore because of 07_listen.py.patch)" ? I don't see it in debian, is it not needed anymore? [01:18] crimsun: right. I wonder why lintian didn't tell me this time. [01:19] Is that something that I should fix in the orig.tar.gz, or as a dpatch? [01:20] pochu: ok, it has been done in debian, but it's not explicitly written in the changelog [01:23] Plug: just fix it in the extracted source so it'll appear in the diff.gz [01:23] Plug: oh wait, is this a new upstream version? Then yes, fix it in the orig.tar.gz. [01:23] Sorry about the confusion. === lfittl [n=lfittl@2001:6f8:107e:40:213:2ff:fe05:abdb] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:24] yay, page 4 of 1407 [01:25] pochu: listen uploaded [01:25] god, have they _still_ not fixed plucker? [01:26] crimsun: I am working on that [01:26] no, I'm referring to the patch [01:26] there is no more plucker development sadly, unless they are doing it underground === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:27] well, I am redoing a SVN patched version of plucker that will probably be Ubuntu only as I can get the Debian maintainer in on it 100% yet === Vorian [n=Steve@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:27] I have a library I am trying to get sponsored now in Debian that will allow us to use the patched plucker in the svn snapshot [01:28] ok, so what do you want me to do with 118517? [01:28] I guess merge it for the time being to close it in MoM and DaD, that way there nobody else goes messing with it I guess [01:29] ok, please reroll the debdiff (adhere to DebianMaintainerField) [01:30] we are back to that now...last I was told not to and now I am being told to do so. :) [01:30] I will reroll it really quick [01:30] ....who told you not to? [01:30] sorry, I partake in the "no snitching law" :p [01:31] in other words, I don't remember [01:31] I have an idea, but I can't remember 100% [01:31] ok, well remember that if we modify anything in the Debian source package, then we adhere to DebianMaintainerField. This includes simple rebuilds. [01:32] The only exception if is the Maintainer field already contains an @ubuntu.com [01:32] roger that [01:32] right, is if ^. [01:32] crimsun: do we have to adther to DebianMaintainerField when uploading a build1 version? [01:32] adhere* [01:33] crimsun: do I add the XSBC-Original-Maintainer or remove the original maintainer totally? [01:33] nixternal: add & change. [01:33] Adri2000: it's a good idea to change it (as stated above). [01:33] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5363 === Vorian [n=Steve@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:35] Adri2000: thanks! [01:35] pochu: np, thanks for your work on this package :) [01:39] crimsun: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/7935687/plucker_1.8-21ubuntu1.debdiff [01:41] nixternal: please note the debian/control change in debian/changelog === nuu [i=neuro@host15-76.pool8251.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RAOF [n=Chris_@matht464.maths.unsw.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:44] crimsun: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/7935695/plucker_1.8-21ubuntu1.debdiff [01:44] thank you :) === paran [n=paran@cust.fiber-lan.snet.lk.212.214.112.112.visit.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:47] done, please follow up. [01:48] persia, Woo thanks for advocation :) [01:49] I am building a new package, and it is one that requires the following commands in order to install via tarball [01:50] make -f Makefile.dist && ./configure --prefix=`kde-config --prefix` && make && sudo make install [01:50] how would you go about doing a rules file for that there? would you recommend debhelper or cdbs for it? [01:51] nixternal: If you're using cdbs, add make -f Makefile.dist to your makebuilddir/foo:: rule. If using debhelper, just put it before ./configure in your configure: rule. === Kioshen [n=Kioshen@modemcable159.217-57-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:52] persia: question about ggobi, why did you convert the .png to .xpm? [01:52] persia: well, I guess you maybe didn't do the actual change [01:53] LaserJock: I didn't actually change it, but my recommendation is to include both .xpm and .png to support Debian menu files (eventually). [01:53] seems odd [01:53] I'd just install the .png and be done with it [01:54] anyway, I just saw it go by on ubuntu-science so I thought I'd ask [01:54] LaserJock: If you do that, and someone creates a Debian menu file, it won't show up, as the Debian menu system requires .xpm format for images. I remember something about discussion to change that, but I don't know that it happened. [01:55] c [01:55] ugh [01:55] persia: sure but I don't know why Ubuntu should carry a diff for Debian menus :-) [01:55] Debian shouldn't even be using Debian menus ;-) [01:56] LaserJock: Yeah, well. I'm going to disagree with you formally for policy reasons, but I completely agree with the reasons for your claim :) [01:56] hehe === Kioshen [n=Kioshen@modemcable159.217-57-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:58] for copyright, using the persons IRC nick isn't appropriate correct? [01:58] I don't know wtf people can just put their damn names and email addresses in copyright properly [01:59] Wahey thanks crimsun!!! :D [01:59] nixternal: OMG, SPAM! [01:59] right [01:59] you know what, this is a great app too...this dude needs to be smacked for his noobish ways though [01:59] or is that OMG, mechanically separated animal byproducts [01:59] nixternal: There are special exceptions to allow pseudonyms in copyright, but it has to be a registered pseudonym (with the appropriate authority granting the copyright). [02:00] persia: this person has put their online nick in every header for the source [02:00] and uses a freakin' link to a web form contact page [02:01] nixternal: If they haven't registered their online nick as a pseudonym with their local government office, that's just wrong. [02:01] persia: people actually do that? if they do, then they are wrong as well ;p [02:01] haha, I am going tomorrow and registering my nick [02:01] muhehe [02:03] nixternal: registering Mr. Vista? [02:04] heh, if you go to the apps website, he puts out everyones name who contributed and their email address, yet he doesn't provide his info [02:04] LaserJock: ..*#*#$($!)*)$&@#)*$#_@*$*_%&)#*)#__@#+($*_%#*)#$ [02:04] I think that qualifies for hell just having that though ;) [02:04] wow, that's "swearing ... Chicago style" [02:04] hahahaha === aanderse [n=aaron@CPE0015e916db19-CM001225d7436c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:08] if this guy has KDE SVN access, he can only hide so much...muhehehe [02:08] thank god kde svn is so slow right now [02:14] 2 people in Ubuntu Chicago with Dell 1501s, DEAD, 3 people in my LUG with 1501s, DEAD. That is 5, count them 5, Dell 1501 series laptops dead within the past month or so [02:17] Is there an easy way to statically link only some libraries? [02:18] nixternal: so what are you saying about Vista? [02:18] Vista kills people? [02:18] yes [02:18] it is like cigarettes [02:18] now we just need to get more people to start sueing [02:19] neat, so if I get all these Forum users to use Vista... [02:19] crimsun: nixternal likes the rush of russian roulette/Vista [02:19] must be a Chicago thing [02:19] must be [02:19] you know, I could go with XP or 2000, but vista? hell man, you might as well tell people I am the purple teletubby === LaserJock thinks that would be a good bog post [02:20] we already knew that. You have a reddish purse emblazoned with the Microsoft logo. [02:20] I have tried Vista 1 time, at Best buy or Circuit city...I have watched it break though on other people's machines === Kioshen tells everyone that nixternal is the purple teletubby [02:20] gah!@!# [02:20] :) === nixternal fires up his mIRC scipts [02:20] teehee === Kioshen hides [02:20] hahahaha [02:21] oh wait, BitchX has the /f#@#em script === Kioshen prepares his poking device just in case [02:21] but I don't have powah here [02:21] Night. [02:22] nixternal: what happened to irssi? eh?? eh??? [02:22] heh, that is all I use [02:22] lol [02:22] 19:22:34 Irssi: Client: irssi 0.8.11 (20070425 1813) [02:22] mIRC scripts in irssi? [02:22] I am afraid to use Konversation, seeing as Kubuntu does it all wrong ;p [02:23] and you know I am poking fun at recent events with that I am sure [02:24] Konversation hates me :S [02:25] heh, and so do the devs ;p [02:25] hahahahah === nixternal stops === jml [n=jml@121.44.221.232] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:25] where is jucato when you need an answer to anything? [02:25] I get disconnected once, and then I get reconnected 25 times in a span of 3 minutes, with "Excess Flood" as the quit message [02:28] I like konversation [02:28] LaserJock: I did too [02:28] but tend to use xchat/irssi more since I'm in gnome [02:28] yeah [02:28] irssi runs on my server, and I can get to it from anywhere [02:29] offtopic-ish question: [02:29] CMake Error: Could NOT find QtCore. Check /home/kde-devel/kde/build/soprano/CMakeFiles/CMakeError.log for more details. [02:29] when trying to build soprano, as per http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4#Soprano [02:30] any idea? [02:32] finally on page 6 of 1407. :( [02:32] wow [02:32] crimsun: Ok to take qjackctl? [02:32] crimsun: for? [02:32] TheMuso: all yours. [02:33] crimsun: Thanks. [02:33] crimsun: you must be going pretty thoroughly [02:33] TheMuso: keep in mind the md5sum mismatch, so you'll need to manually apply the Debian diff.gz against our orig.tar.gz. [02:33] TheMuso: about 8 hours ago, DarkSun88 was looking at whether the new upstream version closed a couple more LP bugs. I thought there would be another debdiff (and completely failed to leave a comment). [02:34] Right. [02:34] LaserJock: well, yes. What's the alternative? :) [02:34] persia: I'll keep my eye out then. [02:34] ryanakca: trawling the Forums for audio "bug reports". [02:34] TheMuso: I don't think the merge changes - just whether the LP bugs are closed automatically (if you want better freebob or just to clear the queue). [02:34] crimsun: oh, fun [02:34] crimsun: skimming I guess [02:35] persia: Right. [02:35] LaserJock: not an option. [02:35] imagine if your kernel simply skimmed your hardware. [02:35] "Oh, that's unimportant." [02:36] I thought that's what it did ;-) [02:36] "What's that? Oh, it's a video card. I don't care." [02:36] actually, that sounds like a really interesting DoS. Hmm. === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:43] crimsun: I take it by MD5sum mismatch you are rerfrering to .orig.tar.gz? [02:43] TheMuso: yep. [02:43] Ok. === thedonvaughn [n=jayson@unaffiliated/printk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:56] hmm ok. Looks like a merge request was filed. [03:01] umm. can anybody open kdiff3 foo.BASE foo.OTHER foo.THIS and then scroll up and down with the middle scrollwheel? I'm getting low-pitch static like noise out of my speakers, only when I scroll in that app. [03:02] um... [03:02] so what are you really saying? [03:03] ryanakca: That's not a kdiff issue - it's related to the video card and sound card. Try wrapping your sound card in a faraday cage. [03:03] are you saying that opening multiple files with kdiff3 results in non-working scrolling or that attempting to use the scroll wheel exposes pci bus noise? [03:03] crimsun: lost me :) [03:03] that's precisely what I said, too. [03:03] I have no idea what you are trying to say. [03:03] crimsun: the latter I guess === jwhitlark [n=jwhitlar@64-121-52-87.c3-0.snmt-ubr1.sfrn-snmt.ca.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:04] it's most probable that you have a lower quality motherboard. [03:05] if it truly bothers you, use a USB audio device, or puncture your eardrums. [03:06] crimsun: I'll take puncturing my eardrums :) [03:06] crimsun: just thought it was a bit odd, but, nevermind [03:10] what can I do about this package? the author only wants to give out his nick and a form to email him? === nixternal thinks that I will deny the bug requesting packaging if he doesn't want to play nice [03:11] nixternal: You might be able to find a useful cluebat in the debian-legal archives, if you really want the package. [03:11] I have been searching that for the past 30 minutes [03:11] I am back in 2006, gotta few years to go yet :) [03:11] combine google with waybackmachine [03:16] doesnt google sponsor archive.org? [03:17] page 9! === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cypher1 [n=cypher1@c-68-83-184-230.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:39] ok, overdosed on the Forums for now. [03:40] heh, I found my first company I worked for after the military on wayback...pretty cool [03:41] so I found the old webpage I did for them, about 9 years ago === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:54] morning all [03:55] Mornin Hobbsee === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:56] :) [03:56] hi spam [03:56] hi! [03:56] good morning! [03:57] :) === RedKrieg [n=RedKrieg@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:01] hiya jsgotangco [04:03] hey nixternal how's it going on your side [04:03] it's going [04:03] how about yourself? [04:04] not bad will be moving to new place and work in a week so things have been hectic === ramatieg [n=soothsay@bas16-montreal02-1242357626.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:05] cool, at least you are going back to work [04:05] well a month of rest helped [04:06] also got to sort out a lot of personal ToDos === [PUPPETS] Gonzo [i=gonzo@80.69.47.16] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:06] right now I am just grabbing Nexuiz and will be fragging [04:07] crimsun: cheers for the upload [04:09] well, from what I have found, you can use whatever name you want when copyrighting your material...you can even use Anonymous for a name [04:14] nixternal: It really depends on your jurisdiction. For US law, see 401.b.3 of http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap4.html. At least in the US, it is required that one use a "generally known alternative designation", which is usually interpreted to be a properly registered alias. [04:14] persia: in the US I can copyright a book under Anonymous or a pseudonym [04:14] that is why this is confusing [04:15] there are many countries that allow this, and then there are some countries that don't [04:15] I found an entire thread on just this in debian-legal from 1998 [04:15] nixternal: Get your licensing question figured out yet? [04:15] nope [04:16] can you use apt-cache to search within a license? or any command where I can search for stuff within the debian/copyright? there are a couple of names that are listed and I want to see if I can find them [04:16] grep? [04:18] how would I use grep to go through the repos and find a name? [04:18] man, and don't tell me to bash it :) [04:20] nixternal: Which thread? I've just skimmed all the 1998 archives, and I'm not seeing it. [04:21] sorry..hehe 2003 [04:21] site: works great in google :) [04:21] http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/10/msg00204.html [04:21] there is the start of it..that is the most confusing and uneducated thread I have ever read [04:22] it is nothing more than a bunch of he-said, she-said === ScottK would suggest ask Tollef. He'll (or Pitti) have to accept it or not in the end. [04:24] heh, the greatness of a phone call to a lawyer [04:24] he just told me I could copyright any material as "Jesus Christ" if I wanted to [04:25] and to think, copyright lawyers answer the phone at 9:30pm on a sunday evening === kenro [n=kenro@ppp-63-205-146-140.calvarycc.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:25] if I was to sue, I would have to come forward and prove that I am "Jesus Christ" though [04:26] Oh it's good to be back home. [04:26] On Freenode... [04:26] heh, did you click your heals together a few times first? [04:26] now place like freenode [04:26] now place like freenode [04:26] jeesh, I can spell [04:26] Fayd knot [04:26] heh [04:26] nixternal: I agree with ScottK: you should ask an archive admin. From my reading, I believe that copyright under pseudonym is OK, so long as it can later be shown that the pseudonym uniquely identifies an entity (person or corporation), but that anonymous copyright does not restrict rights in any way (is indistinguishable from public domain). Regarding copyright to Jesus Christ, that's just an assignment of copyright: you cannot later assert re [04:27] Grr. "Regarding copyright to Jesus Christ, that's just an assignment of copyright: you cannot later assert restrictions (e.g. GPL) unless these are agreed by the assignee." [04:27] I pirated time from churches, hotels, even Fedex/Kinkos. [04:27] are there any archive admins online right now? [04:28] persia, why would someone waste time to get anonymous patent? [04:29] kenro: don't get me started on that one ;p [04:29] I am dealin with a package that is anonymous in (c) holding [04:29] kenro: My claim is that an anonymous copyright doesn't mean anything. I suspect the same applies to patents, but as there is no automatic grant of patent, I suspect that pseudonymous patents are the closest one could ever achieve. [04:31] I just asking Mith in ubuntu-devel, I am sure he is sleeping where ever in the world he is right now [04:32] So (one) might seek to garauntee that no other should use said * to make money... === neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db442c2.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:33] forget it, I won't get you started... [04:33] nixternal: yes, and norway [04:34] oh ya, definitely sleeping [04:34] When's the Gibbon coming? [04:34] October [04:36] Well, I hope it's safe to use early, coz I just spent 35 dollars on an install CD that's 3 releases old. [04:37] http://tinyurl.com/2u69f4 [04:37] cool [04:38] nixternal: think that's tiny, I got the world's shortest poem. I'm publishing it tonoght public domain. [04:38] LOOK See Me. [04:41] nixternal: At least in AU, http://www.copyright.org.au/publications/G024.pdf seems to indicate that the copyright holder must be able to assert rights in order to grant a license (e.g. GPL). Otherwise, the work is protected by normal copyright (so assigning copyright to "Jesus Christ" means you cannot then GPL the software). [04:42] persia: Can I GPL my poem? [04:42] nixternal: FWIW, usually a person will require being in the web of trust for uploading things - which requires that they've shown a person in the web of trust their ID which matches their key. [04:42] kenro: If you can demonstrate you can assert copyright, yes. [04:43] but copyright is likely different [04:43] persia: I just released it to pubdom... === etank [n=etank@ubuntu/member/etank] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:44] there are packages in Debian with [04:44] Upstream Author: Money [04:44] err [04:44] s/Money/Monty [04:45] heh. the vorbis stuff as a matter of fact is like that [04:45] http://svn.xiph.org/trunk/cdparanoia/debian/copyright [04:45] nixternal: That's a pseudonym which can be disambiguated by running `whois xiph.org`. That's sufficient to meet "generally known". [04:45] interesting [04:46] well I have an email address for this other person [04:47] well, this same person has a few copyrights in both KDE and possibly Debian [04:48] nixternal: If you can (relatively) easily get sufficient information to contact the person to discuss licensing questions, it may be sufficient. Getting Monty's physical address is easy, but I don't know about your new package. [04:48] ya, I don't know about a physical address === RAOF [n=Chris_@matht464.maths.unsw.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:49] Forgive me for the over-the-top counterexample... [04:50] well, seeing as he has some library files that are in kde, of which is in Debian...I need to find the packages now === nixternal puts on his detective gear and gets to work [04:51] http://directory.fsf.org/KPlayer.html [04:51] there is the FSF "verifying" his license and listing him in the directory [04:52] I can put that in the copyright file as backup maybe? === concept10 [n=concept1@ppp-70-247-169-86.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:10] I'll be back. Unless I'm Beethoven first. === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thoreauputic [n=prospero@ubuntu/member/thoreauputic] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thoreauputic [n=prospero@ubuntu/member/thoreauputic] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === concept10 [n=concept1@ppp-70-247-169-86.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Showering] === man-di_ [n=mkoch@dyndsl-080-228-194-082.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bleinmono [n=toffel@ppp91-76-73-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Dabian [n=Dabian@fsf/member/dabian] has joined #Ubuntu-MOTU === Dabian [n=Dabian@fsf/member/dabian] has left #Ubuntu-MOTU [] === Dabian [n=Dabian@fsf/member/dabian] has joined #Ubuntu-MOTU [05:46] I have trouble mailing mwolson [05:46] I get an error === Dabian [n=Dabian@fsf/member/dabian] has left #Ubuntu-MOTU [] [05:47] alrighty then [05:49] right, no mention of method or error. [05:49] -brilliant- [05:50] hehe [05:51] Requires: or Required: [05:51] to lazy to google === tonyy [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:57] crimsun: if I am building a package the is a KDE frontend to mplayer, mplayer doesn't go in the build-depends: correct? does it go into depends: [05:59] nm, answered my own question [06:01] just Depends [06:01] unless it's so screwed up that it actually requires mplayer being present to compile... [06:02] it doesn't === VirtualVoice [n=foss@HSI-KBW-085-216-070-084.hsi.kabelbw.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === apacheLAGger [n=me@N761P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === statik_ [n=emurphy@canonical/launchpad/statik] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ramatieg [n=soothsay@bas16-montreal02-1242357626.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === HTSJacket [n=kevin@c-24-98-52-235.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === arcligh1 [n=arclight@soyokaze.cynistar.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:29] I have a quick question about .deb packaging, specifically, how to add manpages for code that doesn't have any in the original source tarball. [06:29] You write one :) [06:29] :) [06:30] I used help2man to make minimal man pages. [06:30] An example of that is the "specto" source package. [06:30] Oooh, that sounds like a good idea. :) === RAOF didn't know about that. [06:31] I've built my first package but it's from FSF so there are no man pages; I added them, packed everything up, but they're not in the original tarball so I was afraid they'd disappear if anyone regenerated the package. [06:31] And you want to know how to get those man pages into the right spots in the final package? [06:31] Precisely. [06:31] dh_installman(1) [06:32] remember to build [06:32] -depend on debhelper [06:33] arcligh1: They will (or should) make it into the diff, so your man pages will stay in the source package. [06:33] Let me check what I've built so far... [06:34] FWIW, for as many files as I had to touch, the whole process was far less painful than an equivalent RPM build. A nice surprise. [06:48] Ok, I think I see what's happening. [06:49] I'm building a package for marst, the GNU ALGOL60 -> C translator [06:49] (don't ask...) [06:49] I unpacked it, created the ./debian directory with skeleton files, deleted a bunch and edited the rest [06:50] Sounds good so far [06:50] generated the manpages and put them in the original ./docs directory in the unpacked source tree [06:50] They should probably be in the debian directory. === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkibras1-ff55c300-121.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:51] iteratively built the package, ran lintian, and adjusted the ./debian files until lintian came up clean [06:51] (Generally, you shouldn't change *anything* outside of the debian directory. If you need to, it's a good idea to add a patch system to the build) [06:51]