[12:28] <superm1> hmum.
[12:28] <superm1> i think you got me
[12:28] <superm1> scsi burner
[12:28] <superm1> that your ripping from?
[12:29] <a5benwillis> yeah, actually thats fron a cd rip session "music" nothing in there abt the dvd rip job
[12:29] <a5benwillis> thats from /var/log/messages
[12:29] <a5benwillis> looking at backend now.
[12:29] <superm1> have you tried again
[12:29] <superm1> to see if it failed in the same place
[12:29] <a5benwillis> abt to
[12:29] <tgm4883> I'd also try a different DVD
[12:29] <a5benwillis> which makes me think of two other questions, probably much simpler
[12:30] <a5benwillis> how can I make Ubuntu NOT autorun when I put in a dcd or cd?
[12:30] <tgm4883> I rip my DVD's at my desktop and I have come accross a few that wouldn't rip
[12:30] <a5benwillis> 2. I still have a problem with my screen turning black after a while. I have screensaver off and dmps off in xorg.
[12:30] <tgm4883> system>preferences>removable drives and media
[12:31] <a5benwillis> tgm4883: I'll try a diff dvd
[12:31] <superm1> a5benwillis, my buddy had the same issue
[12:31] <superm1> do you have gnome-power-manager installed?
[12:32] <tgm4883> do LCD's get burn in?
[12:32] <superm1> they shouldnt
[12:32] <a5benwillis> superm1: I dont think so
[12:32] <superm1> a5benwillis, check and see if you do
[12:32] <superm1> if its installed, its the likely culpri
[12:33] <a5benwillis> it is installed. hum
[12:33] <a5benwillis> removing
[12:33] <a5benwillis> umm
[12:33] <a5benwillis> .
[12:34] <a5benwillis> Removing ubuntu-desktop ...
[12:34] <a5benwillis> Removing gnome-session ...
[12:34] <a5benwillis> Removing gnome-power-manager ...
[12:34] <a5benwillis> that doesnt look good
[12:34] <superm1> Well you didnt let me finish :)
[12:34] <tgm4883> hmm, dont know what gnome-session is
[12:34] <a5benwillis> superm1: LOL
[12:34] <superm1> *if* its installed, it overrides DPMS and screensaver settings
[12:34] <a5benwillis> guess I should put those back, eh
[12:34] <superm1> yes
[12:35] <superm1> are you booting into a standalone frontend?
[12:35] <superm1> or a desktop install
[12:35] <a5benwillis> desktop be/fe
[12:35] <superm1> Ok, then customize those settings in gnome-power-prefs
[12:36] <a5benwillis> well crap, so I cant uninstall power/manager
[12:37] <superm1> not a big deal though
[12:37] <superm1> all those settings can be changed
[12:44] <tgm4883> where did mkiconmap.pl get moved to?
[12:44] <superm1> /usr/share/mythtv-backend/contrib i think
[12:44] <superm1> /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend
[12:44] <superm1> better yet
[12:49] <tgm4883> sweet, now whats this i hear about this script being obsoleted for channel_icons.pl?
[12:49] <superm1> i heard something similar
[12:49] <superm1> didnt look into it though
[12:49] <rogue780|mythsrv> I heard it from two people
[12:49] <rogue780|mythsrv> just now as a matter of fact
[12:49] <tgm4883> http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3007
[12:49] <superm1> okay tgm4883 what was this forum post you wanted me to see
[12:50] <tgm4883> this is where i saw it from
[12:50] <rogue780|mythsrv> is there a good alternative for k3b written specifically for gnome?
[12:50] <tgm4883> so im just wondering if i should use that or mkiconmap
[12:50] <tgm4883> gnomebaker?
[12:50] <tgm4883> superm1, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=458698 post # 35
[01:00] <tgm4883> thanks for the help superm1, I was having trouble figuring out that guys problem
[01:05] <superm1> it just looks like basic db corruption
[01:06] <superm1> which can be caused by dozens of things
[01:06] <superm1> i think that when Daviey eventually gets around to writing his little mythbuntu admin panel, that should be an option
[01:06] <superm1> to restore old db backups
[01:06] <superm1> since they are done regularly
[01:07] <superm1> although if you want something fun to work on tgm4883, you can write a little applet that we can include in pygtk or something to that affect - and then daviey can add it later---
[01:08] <superm1> the applet can then be mythbuntu/ubuntu sane  - something that is in System-Administration.  Like MythTV Backup & Restore
[01:13] <rogue780|mythsrv> also being able to choose where the db is backed up to would be a good feature
[01:13] <superm1> Well the packages by default backup to a directory in /var
[01:14] <superm1> but yes i can see adding that as configuration option would be pretty cool
[01:14] <rogue780|mythsrv> and if the whole system goes down...odds are you lost your back up too. I have everything backup to a different hard drive
[01:15] <rogue780|mythsrv> also, I don't like the default path for videos in the feisty package. if you have to reload you system....you're screwed and you have to get rid of all your videos
[01:16] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm, i'd like to help, but I dont think im capable yet.  Still have some stuff to learn
[01:16] <superm1> what do you think would be a better option?
[01:16] <rogue780|mythsrv> man, I don't want to go to work tonight.
[01:16] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, well just an idea to think about
[01:16] <superm1> python is a pretty neat language
[01:16] <superm1> i'm learning as i'm working on ubiquity here
[01:17] <tgm4883_laptop> i plan on starting on that, the crap programs i write now are all i java
[01:17] <superm1> the really cool thing is that you do the whole gui in Glade-3
[01:17] <rogue780|mythsrv> well, the way I have it is /videos is a separate partition and that's where everything is stored. Then I back up my db to /shares/files/backup. /shares is my /dev/hdd drive--160GB drive for my file server
[01:17] <superm1> and then write all the python wrapper code
[01:17] <superm1> and call upon signals from glade
[01:18] <superm1> rogue780|mythsrv, the problem with that is that directories like that in / are not LSB
[01:18] <rogue780|mythsrv> I got a book on python, haven't really gotten in to it yet. I;m still stuck on C++ I guess...and isn't python primarily a scripted language and not compiled?
[01:18] <rogue780|mythsrv> LSB?
[01:18] <superm1> linux standards base
[01:18] <superm1> well rogue780|mythsrv if you up for taking it, that'd be cool too :)
[01:18] <superm1> we can add it to our whiteboard
[01:19] <superm1> a lot of ubuntu stuff is written in python
[01:19] <superm1> like restricted drivers manager
[01:19] <superm1> enabling desktop effects
[01:19] <superm1> little things like that
[01:19] <superm1> which is why a little db backup applet makes sense (to me)
[01:19] <rogue780|mythsrv> well I have two choices. A: I can follow standards and get screwed every time I mess up my system and reload or B: I can deviate from the standard and save myself some trouble.
[01:19] <superm1> haha
[01:20] <rogue780|mythsrv> I mean, think about it. I'm still pretty much a windows user who is trying to get away from microsoft. I'm bound to find new and exciting ways to get linux to crash like windows
[01:21] <tgm4883_laptop> rogue780|mythsrv, it's all about the hardware
[01:21] <rogue780|mythsrv> tgm4883_laptop, eh?
[01:21] <tgm4883_laptop> i got the BSOD using feisty herd 5, haven't seen that since windows
[01:21] <tgm4883_laptop> of course it was black, not blue
[01:22] <rogue780|mythsrv> I'm horrible with computers. I mean, I can play nice and all if I want to...but I'm a bit too curious about stuff. the other day I destroyed a perfectly good install of mac os X in the apple store....go figure
[01:23] <superm1> sudo rm -rf / will destroy any unix based machine rogue780|mythsrv :)
[01:24] <rogue780|mythsrv> so will dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/hda ... or whatever your main install is
[01:24] <rogue780|mythsrv> I wonder if you can use dd to do something like this... dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/dsp
[01:25] <rogue780|mythsrv> I should be careful about that random thing....I got banned from #ubuntu because someone asked me the quickest way to format a hard drive and make it so people can't recover data....
[01:26] <rogue780|mythsrv> apparently sharing that information is against the code of ethics or whatnot
[01:27] <superm1> did ubotu say something like
[01:27] <superm1> !language
[01:27] <superm1> ?
[01:27] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[01:27] <superm1> or what?
[01:27] <rogue780|mythsrv> no
[01:28] <rogue780|mythsrv> someone went like this
[01:28] <rogue780|mythsrv> !ops
[01:28] <ubotu> Help! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Burgundavia, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti or mneptok
[01:28] <rogue780|mythsrv> !ops
[01:28] <rogue780|mythsrv> and again and again.
[01:28] <rogue780|mythsrv> then I was banned
[01:28] <rogue780|mythsrv> by LjL
[01:28] <superm1> well be careful what you say then :)
[01:28] <rogue780|mythsrv> crap. that didn't make people come to this channel did it?
[01:29] <rogue780|mythsrv> hello PriceChild
[01:29] <PriceChild> ubotu announces all !ops in -ops, no reason for people to come but I thought I'd make sure all was ok :)
[01:29] <rogue780|mythsrv> well that's good to know. I was just demonstrating something that happened earlier. my bad
[01:29] <PriceChild> have fun :)
[01:29] <rogue780|mythsrv> I'm a tool
[01:30] <a5benwillis> lol
[01:34] <superm1> r
[01:34] <superm1> rogue780|mythsrv, did you start on the gdm?
[01:34] <superm1> or look into the session listing thing?
[01:35] <tgm4883_laptop> in the lirc guide it says that the feisty packages include support and that the usage is the same as standard serial transmitters (for mceusb2).  This means I don't have to build it, right? Or I have to follow the serial part of the guide?
[01:35] <superm1> You just build the mceusb2 module
[01:35] <superm1> and the support is there
[01:35] <superm1> but the syntax is the same as serial
[01:35] <superm1> say irsend REMOTE COMMAND
[01:35] <superm1> etc
[01:35] <tgm4883_laptop> ah, so when i setup the receiver it did it
[01:35] <superm1> right
[01:36] <rogue780|mythsrv> I've looked into it briefly.
[01:36] <tgm4883_laptop> sweet, i always like to check before i fubar something
[01:36] <rogue780|mythsrv> Don't expect too much before the 4th of july. the whole buying a house/packing our old house is takin' a toll
[01:36] <superm1> ah okay
[01:52] <a5benwillis> anybody know where I can get jpeg2yuv?
[01:53] <a5benwillis> got an error when calling it from mytharchive
[01:54] <superm1> its missing from the dependencies?
[01:55] <superm1>   graphics/mjpegtools
[01:56] <a5benwillis> no package I suppose. Have to download and compile?
[01:57] <a5benwillis> I read that mytharchive will compile even if it doesnt have all of its deps
[01:58] <rogue780|mythsrv> apparently "shift" doesn't count as "any key"
[01:58] <superm1> yes there is
[01:58] <superm1> mjpegtools
[01:59] <superm1> also with feisty
[01:59] <superm1> if you just type jpeg2yuv
[01:59] <superm1> it will tell you which package its in
[02:00] <a5benwillis> I searched for jpeg2yuv in synaptic and didnt find it. This is on edgy..
[02:00] <a5benwillis> but its installing now
[02:00] <superm1> you guys have nvidia cards right?
[02:00] <superm1> can you tell me the output of this:
[02:00] <superm1> lshw -class VIDEO | grep vendor | cut -b 16-
[02:05] <a5benwillis> hold one
[02:05] <superm1> i'm expecting it will say "NVIDIA Corporation" but just want to get a sample to make sure
[02:05] <a5benwillis> nVidia Corporation
[02:06] <superm1> with the little n and big V
[02:06] <superm1> hm
[02:06] <superm1> ok
[02:06] <superm1> rogue780|mythsrv, could you look?
[02:06] <a5benwillis> yes, thats a c&P
[02:06] <rogue780|mythsrv> superm1, I'm beginning to suspect that there is a problem with the computer that I've been trying to test mythbuntu on
[02:06] <superm1> why rogue780|mythsrv ?
[02:06] <rogue780|mythsrv> well I just installed reactos on it to mess around, see what they've done...and I'm getting the same error
[02:07] <rogue780|mythsrv> and that also happens to be the same computer I've got my nvidia on.
[02:07] <superm1> haha
[02:07] <superm1> rogue780|mythsrv, you must have bad luck with pcs
[02:08] <rogue780|mythsrv> just this one
[02:08] <rogue780|mythsrv> I usually never have hardware issues...linux issues I have a plenty
[02:08] <a5benwillis> well crap.... now I got an ffmpeg error
[02:08] <a5benwillis> trying again without transcoding.
[02:16] <a5benwillis> lol
[02:16] <a5benwillis> now a spumux error
[02:16] <rogue780|mythsrv> well minesweeper works on reactos...
[02:18] <rogue780|mythsrv> I love it when I'm told I have insufficient space on disk and I have 122GB
[02:18] <rogue780|mythsrv> anyway..I'm gonna load feisty up and see waht it says
[02:47] <tgm4883_laptop> well my lirc transmitter is partially working
[02:47] <superm1> partially?
[02:47] <tgm4883_laptop> yea, i can send the codes via the command line and the tv picks some of them up
[02:47] <tgm4883_laptop> im not sure why though
[02:48] <tgm4883_laptop> if i send something like volume down continusly it will maybe pick up about 4 sent in a 20 second span
[02:48] <superm1> yea i've seen similar issues
[02:49] <tgm4883_laptop> I had to do an irrecord and force raw
[02:49] <superm1> i think the codes recorded from the mceusb2 receiver won't work well
[02:49] <tgm4883_laptop> probably something with the wavelength?
[02:49] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[02:49] <superm1> i think
[02:49] <superm1> but i've never solved it myself
[02:49] <superm1> i have generated codes done by other receivers (on lirc.org) that work great
[02:50] <superm1> for other devices
[02:50] <superm1> i think the mceusb2 transmitter is just that finicky
[02:50] <tgm4883_laptop> sounds like it, also, does it default to the 1st transmitter port?  How would one specify the send port?
[02:50] <superm1> it sends from both
[02:51] <superm1> i think
[02:51] <tgm4883_laptop> :(
[02:51] <tgm4883_laptop> that would be a problem if you had say two of the same STB
[02:51] <superm1> yes it would be
[02:53] <tgm4883_laptop> I'll have to try recording it with my pvr-150
[02:54] <superm1> let me know if you have more luck with that, but i think that reciever only recognizes pvr-150 remotes
[02:54] <superm1> the best way to record (i've heard) is a serial receiver
[02:55] <tgm4883_laptop> i heard the same, but its worth a try
[02:55] <tgm4883_laptop> i suppose another option would be to find the CIR commands?
[02:55] <superm1> what are those?
[02:56] <tgm4883_laptop> the consumer infra-red commands
[02:57] <superm1> never heard of them
[02:57] <tgm4883_laptop> i think its basically what the remote sends to the tv
[02:57] <superm1> what tv again?
[02:57] <tgm4883_laptop> i only read about it today, here
[02:57] <tgm4883_laptop> http://www.lirc.org/html/irsend.html
[02:57] <tgm4883_laptop> vizio vx37l
[02:57] <superm1> oh right you mentioned that to me before
[02:57] <superm1> and it uses someone else's standard commands
[02:57] <tgm4883_laptop> heard a rumor that LG makes the lcd, but non of those commands were working for me
[02:57] <superm1> like LG's
[02:58] <tgm4883_laptop> although im only about 4 into the list
[02:58] <tgm4883_laptop> yea i use LG codes for my universal remote i had
[02:58] <superm1> oh CIR's are just the standard things in lircd.conf i thought
[03:00] <tgm4883_laptop> could be
[03:00] <tgm4883_laptop> i tried that mkiconmap, but got errors about invalid zip
[03:01] <superm1> grab the newer one from trac then
[03:01] <superm1> the renamed one
[04:22] <a5benwillis>  Can anyone help me figure out why I can tune a chan with one DVB adapter but not the other?
[05:40] <tgm4883_laptop> anyone know if the mythtv from the repos compiled with perl bindings?
[05:43] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, i saw this page about the new channel_icons.pl, didn't know if you had saw it and maybe a change in the wiki is needed?  http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Channel_icons
[06:12] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, there is no reason perl bindings should be disabled in the mythtv/repo build
[06:12] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, Nvm.  Looks as though i'm mistaken
[06:12] <superm1> perl bindings aren't enabled
[06:12] <superm1> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/7315462/buildlog_ubuntu-feisty-i386.mythtv_0.20-svn20070122-0.0ubuntu6_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz
[06:13] <superm1> as that page indicates, perl bindings are only functional in trunk though
[06:14] <superm1> so gardengnome are you building the trunk packages with perl bindings?
[06:28] <tgm4883_laptop> i tried running the script, but came back with errors, so i thought i would ask
[07:00] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, if you figure out this channel icons issue let me know
[07:00] <superm1> i'd like to add its functionality to the installer
[07:00] <superm1> now that i've got the installer running through an entire run without crashes and mistakes (yay today :)
[07:06] <tgm4883_laptop> ok, ill keep working on it
[07:27] <ethernitz> anyone around ?
[07:28] <superm1> ethernitz, i'm in an out
[07:28] <superm1> whats up?
[07:29] <ethernitz> just learned about MythTV and was wondering how functional it is, I'm a current Tivo user
[07:29] <superm1> well its more functional than a tivo :)
[07:30] <superm1> well better yet, its more feature filled than MCE is
[07:30] <ethernitz> that's the kind of info I'm looking for.......
[07:30] <tgm4883_laptop> way better than a tivo
[07:31] <ethernitz> i have the original tivo as well......it's been great but looking possibly to upgrade and wondering if I should go the MythTV route.....how much work involved in setting it up ?
[07:31] <superm1> ethernitz, well it depends on how much you want to put into it
[07:32] <superm1> because you can have setups that will span across a whole network
[07:32] <tgm4883_laptop> Not to difficult, depending on the functionality and the hardware you have
[07:32] <tgm4883_laptop> the guide rocks
[07:32] <superm1> or something on a single box
[07:32] <superm1> !mythtv
[07:32] <ubotu> MythTV is a TV framework for Linux - Instructions for using with Ubuntu at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[07:33] <ethernitz> ubotu I'm on there right now checking it out.........I'm probably just looking for a basic setup....thanks for the info I'll be doing the research and hopefully getting rid of the $12.95 a month charge
[07:35] <ethernitz> thanks again...later
[07:40] <superm1> hehe, he though ubotu was a real person
[08:33] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, any chance the perl bindings are going to be compiled in .21?  Everything im reading about this error point to activating the perl bindings?
[08:33] <superm1> in .21 it shouldnt be a big deal to add
[08:33] <superm1> if its possible to do on 0.20-fixes, i'll add it to that too
[08:35] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, i'm headed to be dthough
[08:35] <superm1> night :)
[08:35] <tgm4883_laptop> it looks like its possible, with "--with-bindings=perl".  Someone wanted it the script tested with it on .20
[08:35] <tgm4883_laptop> night superm1
[11:32] <Daviey> superm1: ping
[11:56] <Paladine> anyone awake
[12:01] <DaveMorris> yes
[12:01] <DaveMorris> Daviey: superm1 is 6hrs behind us I beleive
[12:03] <Daviey> it's a crazy huy
[12:03] <Daviey> he's a crazy guy rather
[12:06] <Daviey> DaveMorris: whyda think - http://www.accessprivilege.com/images/Elonex_artisan_04.jpg
[12:06] <Daviey> thinking of getting one
[12:07] <DaveMorris> You tried upgrading a mythbackend from edgy to fiesty?
[12:07] <DaveMorris> is that just a case or a complete unit?
[12:08] <DaveMorris> looks nice though
[12:08] <Paladine> anyone managed to build mythtv on gutsy yet?
[12:08] <Paladine> 2007-06-04 11:08:09.833 Using screen 0, 1280x1024 at 0,0
[12:08] <Paladine> 2007-06-04 11:08:09.838 Current Schema Version: 1160
[12:08] <Paladine> Segmentation fault
[12:09] <Paladine> can't get past that segfault whether I build from svn checkout or use the repos
[12:09] <DaveMorris> Is that the frontend or the backend?
[12:09] <Paladine> thats for mythtv-setup
[12:10] <Daviey> DaveMorris: comes as bare bones - not a bad price IMO
[12:10] <DaveMorris> you tried running through strace?
[12:11] <Paladine> never used strace, I wouldn't know where to start
[12:11] <DaveMorris> sudo apt-get install strace
[12:11] <DaveMorris> then from a cli
[12:11] <DaveMorris> strace mythtv-setup
[12:12] <Paladine> hmmm I wonder....
[12:12] <DaveMorris> can you then open a bug so we can track it, and paste the strace for it etc
[12:12] <Paladine> last thing it does it try to call RandR to do something
[12:13] <Paladine> and I have xinerama enabled so randr is disabled
[12:13] <Paladine> read(8, "\1\1\6\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\3103\267\277\27\37\25\10 \267"..., 32) = 32
[12:13] <Paladine> writev(8, [{"b\0\4\0\5\0\0\0", 8}, {"RANDR", 5}, {"\0\0\0", 3}] , 3) = 16
[12:13] <Paladine> read(8, 0xbff3be4c, 32)                 = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable)
[12:14] <Paladine> I should rebuild with --disable-xrandr
[12:15] <Paladine> I will try with nv drivers first
[01:24] <Paladine> it was xrandr
[01:25] <Paladine> is working with xinerama disabled
[01:25] <Paladine> man I forgot how long mythfilldatabase took
[01:53] <DaveMorris> Paladine: But the gutsy repo debs didn't work?
[01:53] <DaveMorris> Can you open a bug with the problem so superm1 can decided what to do about it
[01:54] <Paladine> Dave, well they work
[01:54] <Paladine> but not for me
[01:54] <Paladine> cos the package is built with xrandr enabled
[01:55] <Paladine> and since I use xinerama it kills randr, so mythtv-setup was segfaulting on me
[01:55] <DaveMorris> yeah, just post it as a bug though, it may be safe to have the package nomrally shipped with randr disabled
[01:55] <Paladine> k I will add it to launchpad later
[01:55] <DaveMorris> cheers
[02:28] <Paladine> well it definitely works
[02:29] <Paladine> just gonna reboot to xinerama mode, it shoudl start fine now I have it set to launch in a window
[02:37] <Paladine> meh
[02:38] <Paladine> rebuilding with --disable-xrandr :p
[02:38] <Paladine> even in a window it segfaults with xinerama enabled
[02:38] <Paladine> why it is trying to access xrandr in windowed mode is beyond me
[02:40] <Paladine> bbiab
[03:10] <gardengnome> heh
[03:10] <gardengnome> i'm now getting bug reports in my inbox :)
[03:11] <Daviey> gardengnome: that can be fixed... :)
[03:11] <DaveMorris> you've been added to the mythtv team?
[03:11] <gardengnome> Daviey: yup
[03:12] <gardengnome> err, DaveMorris i mean. sorry :)
[03:12] <Daviey> We can fix it my asking you to leave :D
[03:12] <gardengnome> :'(
[03:12] <gardengnome> no
[03:12] <gardengnome> i need to commit crappy code to my bzr branch
[03:13] <gardengnome> i can't do that when i'm not on the team. ;)
[03:13] <DaveMorris> can't you just set LP up to not mail you
[03:14] <gardengnome> Daviey: that should be possible, but it doesn't bother me a lot. since i regularly read mythtv-commits, i might even be able to contribute something
[03:15] <Paladine> dave
[03:15] <Paladine> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythtv/+bug/109227
[03:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109227 in mythtv "Mythfrontend, mythtv-setup segfault" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[03:16] <Paladine> still want me to add a specific one to Gutsy lp?
[03:16] <Paladine> I updated the existing one
[03:16] <gardengnome> Paladine: why don't you report that bug to upstream if it doesn't happen with the ubuntu packages?
[03:17] <Paladine> because it does
[03:17] <DaveMorris> thats fine, thanks Paladine
[03:17] <gardengnome> Paladine: well, true. it should still be reported to upstream, IMHO
[03:18] <DaveMorris> gardengnome: but its fixed by compiling with --disable-xrandr
[03:18] <Paladine> it is only an issue with binaries built with xrandr enabled
[03:18] <gardengnome> ah
[03:19] <gardengnome> so it's ubuntu's version of xrandr which is probably broken
[03:19] <Paladine> nope
[03:19] <Paladine> it is a xinerama issue
[03:19] <Paladine> xinerama disabled xrandr
[03:19] <gardengnome> ah
[03:20] <DaveMorris> we should prob look to see what affect would be caused by only shipping binaries with it disabled in
[03:20] <superm1> hey mates
[03:20] <DaveMorris> Daviey: superm1 is here now
[03:20] <DaveMorris> hey superm1
[03:20] <gardengnome> hey superm1
[03:20] <superm1> ah DaveMorris and Daviey your alive
[03:20] <superm1> gardengnome, i had somethign to ask you last night
[03:21] <superm1> perl bindings
[03:21] <superm1> es
[03:21] <gardengnome> (I'd still let upstream deal with it just because i'm lazy and because it happens with their vanilla mythtv as well)
[03:21] <gardengnome> superm1: yep?
[03:21] <superm1> are they enabled in your trunk builds?
[03:21] <Paladine> dave, it is working fine in gutsy now I disabled ranr
[03:21] <Paladine> xrandr
[03:22] <DaveMorris> thnas Paladine
[03:22] <gardengnome> superm1: let me find out. i have yet to try nuvexport :)
[03:22] <superm1> Paladine, there was supposed to be a fix to that (#3401 from trac), but it didn't work when I applied it to the gutsy packages
[03:23] <superm1> just waiting yet for the dust to settle to figure out what to do
[03:24] <gardengnome> superm1: i don't think they are installed. but they should at least be made available to the user. nuvexport depends on them, AFAIK
[03:25] <superm1> I believe its a matter of --perl-bindings during configure
[03:25] <Paladine> no this is definitely the xrandr problem cos I just tested it
[03:25] <gardengnome> superm1: yup. should those be put into a separate package?
[03:25] <Paladine> xinerama stop xrandr running
[03:25] <Daviey> superm1: i need to run.. be back in 20
[03:25] <Paladine> stops
[03:25] <Daviey> maybe 30
[03:25] <superm1> Okay Daviey
[03:25] <superm1> gardengnome, the perl bindings?
[03:26] <superm1> How many files are created?
[03:26] <gardengnome> superm1: yup, the perl bindings.
[03:26] <gardengnome> superm1: i'll check
[03:29] <gardengnome> confusing. i didn't fully mergy your latest changeset, now i'm getting trouble wrt libmyth-dev. i should finish merging some time..
[03:31] <gardengnome> superm1: it's about 5 or 6 files it seems
[03:31] <superm1> I say yes make another package then
[03:31] <gardengnome> superm1: yay
[03:32] <gardengnome> superm1: is there an "official" place where i can put a todo list?
[03:32] <superm1> on the wiki
[03:32] <superm1> MythTVTeam pages
[03:32] <superm1> there is a todo
[03:32] <gardengnome> thanks
[03:32] <superm1> i'm bad at updating it myself :)
[03:32] <gardengnome> because i tend to forget $stuff
[03:33] <gardengnome> i'm looking forward to translating the debconf stuff to german :) i like localized things
[03:35] <Paladine> bbl have to go to see the surgeon
[03:38] <gardengnome> why do i keep forgetting my passwords? :'(
[03:41] <gardengnome> superm1: what do you think about using blueprints in launchpad instead of that todo list? https://help.launchpad.net/BlueprintDocumentation
[03:41] <superm1> oh thats probably a better idea
[03:41] <superm1> because then people can snap them up
[03:41] <superm1> and say they're working on then
[03:41] <gardengnome> yup
[03:41] <superm1> i guess i started to make blueprints on mythbuntu
[03:41] <gardengnome> i got slightly confused by the wiki. ;)
[03:41] <superm1> under launchapd
[03:42] <gardengnome> i'll add some blueprints for "mythtv" then, if you don't mind.
[03:44] <superm1> Good
[03:44] <superm1> especially for stuff that isn't a reported bug
[03:44] <superm1> but that needs to be resolved
[03:44] <gardengnome> we could still use the bug tracker for that purpose, though.
[03:44] <gardengnome> sad.
[03:44] <gardengnome> i can't click on blueprints in the tabs
[03:44] <gardengnome> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythtv/
[03:44] <gardengnome> can you enable them somehow?
[03:45] <superm1> I think they are only for projects
[03:45] <superm1> not teams
[03:46] <superm1> let me look around
[03:46] <superm1> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mythtv/
[03:46] <superm1> try there
[03:46] <gardengnome> allright, i'll add them there.
[03:46] <gardengnome> thank you
[03:47] <superm1> speaking of adminish stuff.  DaveMorris ping
[03:48] <superm1> :)  DaveMorris I was going to see if you would be up for trying to notify upstream of a few of our non ubuntu specific bugs
[03:48] <superm1> and add the bug tracker from svn.mythtv.org to the launchpad bugs (link them)
[03:48] <DaveMorris> sure
[03:48] <DaveMorris> not sure about adding the bug tracker
[03:48] <superm1> you might want to notate in the first few that we are using apport and it should be adequate for retraces and such
[03:49] <superm1> well make like 2 or 3 open bugs for 2 or 3 that are on launchpad before you go crazy with doing them all to make sure upstream will be willing to sort them out
[03:49] <superm1> once you open it in trac on svn.mythtv.org
[03:49] <superm1> you take the url
[03:49] <superm1> and you can add an upstream tracker in the launchpad bug
[03:50] <DaveMorris> and what about when the fix needs to be rolled into a new mythtv release
[03:51] <superm1> then having these bugs linked makes it a lot lot easier
[03:51] <superm1> because then we have a reason to update things during a version freeze
[03:51] <superm1> so once the bug is on the upstream tracker, your able to hit the "Also affects upstream" button
[03:51] <superm1> which points you here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythtv/+bug/87506/+add-affected-product?field.product=mythtv
[03:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 87506 in mythtv "mythfrontend crashed in AvFormatDecoder::GetFrame" [Low,Needs info] 
[03:51] <superm1> for that bug at least
[03:51] <DaveMorris> when we freeze mythtv in ubuntu, do we also have to freeze it in mythbuntu?
[03:51] <gardengnome> superm1: can you please tell me where i can add a new blueprint? i'm completely lost in launchpad
[03:52] <superm1> mythbuntu bugs should be forwarded up too
[03:52] <superm1> but that is another bridge to cross when we come to it :)
[03:54] <superm1> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/specs/+new
[03:54] <superm1> I'll be back in ~10-21 minutes
[03:55] <gardengnome> superm1: thanks a lot
[03:55] <gardengnome> i'll be back in 2.5 hours.
[03:55] <superm1> Ok.
[04:10] <Daviey> back
[04:11] <Daviey> doh
[04:28] <superm1> Daviey, do you have the original for the logo on mythbuntu.org?
[04:54] <Daviey> superm1: The original is almost twice the size of branding.png  - but still quite small
[04:54] <Daviey> 105 x 104
[04:54] <superm1> ah okay
[04:54] <superm1> someone i was speaking with had another idea for it
[04:55] <Daviey> wass that?
[04:55] <superm1> so i was going to let him give it a spin
[04:55] <Daviey> There's not much to it tbh
[04:55] <superm1> "a new logo where all three people are watching a TV that has the myth logo on it"
[04:55] <Daviey> sounds good
[04:56] <superm1> i'll just tell him to grab the one from wiki.mythtv.org for the svg
[04:56] <superm1> for the myth logo
[04:56] <DaveMorris> superm1: your in charge of doing the packaging for mythtv yeah
[04:56] <DaveMorris> along with its init scripts
[04:56] <superm1> yea
[04:57] <DaveMorris> gonna assign a bug with a patch to ya then
[04:57] <Daviey> superm1: ahh found the xcf..
[04:57] <Daviey> ygm
[04:57] <Daviey> superm1: the wiki logo is horrid
[04:57] <superm1> DaveMorris, the one with the init script fixing start?
[04:57] <DaveMorris> yeah
[04:57] <superm1> ah okay thanks
[04:57] <DaveMorris> whats your launchpad id
[04:58] <Daviey> superm1: 2 x ygm
[04:58] <superm1> DaveMorris, its superm1
[04:58] <superm1> Daviey, only got the first
[04:58] <superm1> i'll give it a sec
[05:01] <Daviey> rcd?
[05:01] <superm1> ah there we go
[05:01] <superm1> thanks, i'll shoot these off to him
[05:02] <Daviey> cool
[05:02] <superm1> now Daviey that meta that you were gonna work on, i'm at a point that i need it
[05:02] <superm1> with ubiquity
[05:02] <superm1> for proper package control - its pulling out too much
[05:02] <superm1> in the end, and that will resolve it
[05:03] <Daviey> oh geez..
[05:03] <superm1> it works for a full be/fe or for a fe
[05:03] <Daviey> I've been really busy for the last week.. and this week is busy aswell :(
[05:03] <superm1> ah - okay
[05:03] <Daviey> next week i will be MUCH freer
[05:03] <superm1> well i'll work around it as much as possible then
[05:03] <superm1> there is other stuf to sort out too
[05:03] <Daviey> good
[05:03] <superm1> i just pulled the ubuntu-meta and put it in the bzr branch
[05:03] <superm1> and renamed a few things
[05:03] <Daviey> cool
[05:03] <superm1> but there is a lot that needs to be added
[05:04] <superm1> and fixed in it
[05:04] <Daviey> I need to shoot for 10..
[05:04] <Daviey> (it's quite hectic atm)
[05:04] <superm1> shoot for 10?
[05:05] <Daviey> bbl (10mins)
[05:05] <superm1> ah okay
[05:22] <superm1> thanks for all the bug work DaveMorris :)
[05:22] <DaveMorris> no probs, planning on sorting out these last 8 unconfrimmed ones
[05:23] <superm1> if things work out well between upstream and us with these, you can become the general point of contact between the two if you want (your call though)
[05:24] <DaveMorris> sure
[05:24] <DaveMorris> if they don't kill me for moving stuff upstream :)(
[05:24] <superm1> well just need to watch which ones go up and which ones stay
[05:24] <DaveMorris> yeah, I assume I'm linking them correctly
[05:25] <superm1> i'll look more closely during my lunch break at all the bug mail that came in :)
[05:25] <DaveMorris> can we add extra status things to the drop down menu?
[05:25] <DaveMorris> on LP
[05:25] <DaveMorris> ie 'reported upstream'
[05:26] <DaveMorris> so we can filter them out
[05:26] <superm1> I dont think so, but I can probably write something to launchpad-users
[05:26] <superm1> to see if we can get it added
[05:27] <DaveMorris> or we create a dummy user called myth-upstream
[05:27] <DaveMorris> and we assign them to that user
[05:28] <superm1> oh i know -
[05:28] <superm1> assign them to the team
[05:28] <superm1> when they are upstream
[05:28] <DaveMorris> ok
[05:28] <DaveMorris> which team, mythtv team
[05:28] <superm1> yup
[05:28] <superm1> ubuntu-mythtv
[05:28] <superm1> so anything assigned to the team will be an upstream bug, not assigned isnt straight yet
[05:28] <superm1> and to a particular person is that person's
[05:40] <a5benwillis> I love my mythtv!
[05:42] <DaveMorris> a5benwillis: good
[05:44] <superm1> a5benwillis, sorted out your issue with the other dvb card from last night?
[05:44] <a5benwillis> no
[05:44] <DaveMorris> superm1: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythtv/+bug/93774 you any ideas?  Ubuntu specfic?
[05:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 93774 in mythtv "mythtv-setup scan only finds channels when it already has 'transports' defined" [Low,Unconfirmed] 
[05:44] <a5benwillis> had to go to bed before I got any responses :-)
[05:45] <a5benwillis> Its odd, I can tune chans fine on one card but not the other. The 'other' card gets some but not all...
[05:45] <a5benwillis> Both cardsare connected to the sae switch and dish/lnbs
[05:45] <superm1> hm DaveMorris .
[05:46] <superm1> so it sounds like transports are missing from the list
[05:46] <superm1> i think that is worthwhile to submit up
[05:46] <superm1> a5benwillis, different card types?
[05:46] <DaveMorris> but I don't have a problem in the UK
[05:47] <DaveMorris> but I'll up it up and see what they think
[05:47] <a5benwillis> superm1: Yes one Twinhan and the otherSkyStar.
[05:47] <a5benwillis> superm1: The Twinhan is the one with the issue
[05:47] <superm1> perhaps the twinhan has trouble tuning those exact frequencies
[05:48] <a5benwillis> it workedin the past on those freqs.
[05:48] <a5benwillis> I dont think its a hardware limitation is what Im getting at.
[05:48] <superm1> hmum.
[05:48] <superm1> have you switched the inputson the switch
[05:48] <superm1> to rule out the switch dying
[05:48] <a5benwillis> may delete all cards and start over
[05:49] <a5benwillis> yes, I swaped and the behavior stays with the card not the input.
[05:49] <superm1> thats very weird then
[05:49] <a5benwillis> plus its a DP44 powered switch. Hard to break those :-)
[05:50] <a5benwillis> I dont know enough abt the database setup. But I wondered if that card cant find the freq data properly?
[05:50] <a5benwillis> See, I scanned the chans using the SS card.
[05:54] <superm1> the same transports are used by both
[05:54] <superm1> in the myth sql database they are stored
[05:54] <superm1> if you blow away the transports, they are gone for both cards
[05:54] <DaveMorris> superm1: you know anything about PVR-250MCE cards?
[05:55] <superm1> about them particularly?
[05:55] <superm1> or a general PVR-XXX question
[05:55] <DaveMorris> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythtv/+bug/114529
[05:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 114529 in mythtv "MythTV does not detect all channels" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[05:56] <superm1> that sounds like it needs more info
[05:56] <superm1> before determining where to go
[05:56] <superm1> i think its a misconfiguration problem
[05:58] <DaveMorris> woot, all the unconfrimmed bugs are gone
[05:58] <DaveMorris> now to work through the unassigned
[05:59] <superm1> :)
[06:00] <DaveMorris> superm1: I'm gonna assign all packaging things to you, so you cna them dish them out
[06:01] <superm1> awesome sounds good
[06:01] <a5benwillis> superm1: So I should delete all the chans to get rid of the tranports?
[06:01] <superm1> delete the transports and the channels
[06:01] <superm1> both are done in mythtv-setup
[06:01] <a5benwillis> Ive seen the button to delete chans but not transports
[06:02] <superm1> there is a way to list the transports in the same area (dont know off hand what the button is titled)
[06:02] <superm1> but there is a way
[06:02] <a5benwillis> 10-4
[06:02] <a5benwillis> working on mytharchive right now but I'll try that later
[06:02] <a5benwillis> MA is a pain
[06:02] <superm1> not if you were using packages it isnt :)
[06:02] <DaveMorris> MA dosen't work for me nor Daviey
[06:02] <superm1> really?
[06:03] <DaveMorris> yeah https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/3696
[06:03] <Daviey> He ho - i'm here
[06:03] <DaveMorris> i really should put it as a bug
[06:03] <superm1> i've only done native archives- but they worked out fine for me
[06:03] <a5benwillis> ifsomeonewould build me a packagewith my patches Ide LOVE to use the packages :-) ;-) ;-)
[06:03] <DaveMorris> a5benwillis: what are the patches for?
[06:03] <Daviey> Hmm... Doesn't seem to work for me with a edgy backend and both edgy & feisty frontend
[06:04] <Daviey> - could be something i've done, rather than packages
[06:04] <superm1> i'll give it a run later tonite
[06:04] <a5benwillis> DaveMorris: Just some DVB patches
[06:04] <Daviey> superm1: do it now... :D
[06:04] <a5benwillis> DaveMorris: EITData, Radio...
[06:04] <superm1> Daviey, ....... if only i had a myth setup here too.... i'd get nothign done
[06:05] <DaveMorris> create a bug on svn.mythtv.org for each patch, then attach the patches, they might accpet them
[06:05] <Daviey> DaveMorris: you've pratically filled my inbox!
[06:05] <Daviey> you have been a busy bee
[06:05] <DaveMorris> hehe
[06:10] <superm1> a5benwillis 's patches may or may not break other things - we dont know yet ;)
[06:10] <DaveMorris> I know, hence let mythtv have a look at them
[06:13] <Daviey> \o/ Hometime
[06:13] <Daviey> ttfn
[06:13] <superm1> cu Daviey
[06:19] <superm1> DaveMorris, do you know of any dvb cards that will be requiring firmware?
[06:19] <DaveMorris> don't the huappage cards require firmware?
[06:19] <superm1> One of the pages that I was planning a firmware gatherer
[06:19] <superm1> (Pvr-xxx do), but they are shipped with ubuntu
[06:20] <superm1> we sorted that out last year in dec
[06:20] <DaveMorris> I think mine does I'll check later
[06:20] <superm1> great :)
[06:20] <superm1> My thought process is on the same page you load video drivers
[06:21] <superm1> you have an option for anything else that needs to be loaded
[06:21] <superm1> like choose your card from a drop down list
[06:21] <DaveMorris> sounds good
[06:49] <gardengnome> re
[06:53] <DaveMorris> gardengnome: sorry for filling up your inbox, since you mentioned you got some mails earlier
[06:54] <gardengnome> DaveMorris: i got some more mails. but i've just created a filter in thunderbird
[06:54] <DaveMorris> if sender = DaveMorris | trash
[06:54] <gardengnome> it's annoying that thunderbird can't filter by sender, which would be bounces@canonical.com
[06:54] <DaveMorris> it can
[06:55] <gardengnome> interesting, i didn't see that option.
[06:55] <gardengnome> it's probably lost in translation
[06:55] <DaveMorris> customize ;)
[06:56] <gardengnome> ooooh
[06:56] <gardengnome> now that makes sense. if you translate it back to english. ;)
[06:56] <DaveMorris> pretty sure it can be done
[06:56] <gardengnome> yup
[06:56] <gardengnome> thanks :)
[06:56] <gardengnome> < Chutt> looks like automatic pushing from ubuntu's launchpad?
[06:57] <gardengnome> DaveMorris: hey, join #mythtv and talk to chutt
[07:01] <superm1> about the bugs that were pushed up gardengnome ?
[07:01] <gardengnome> yup
[07:01] <gardengnome> that didn't go so well..
[07:01] <gardengnome> 18:33 < DaveMorris> hey, I was told you posted about mythtv bugs from launchpad
[07:01] <gardengnome> 18:33 < Chutt> yes, we were wondering where all the useless bug reports were coming from
[07:02] <gardengnome> 18:34 < DaveMorris> are they usless then?  I've done them by hand
[07:02] <gardengnome> 18:34 < Chutt> without a backtrace with symbols?
[07:02] <gardengnome> 18:34 < Chutt> yes
[07:02] <gardengnome> 18:34 < DaveMorris> so no need to worry about a script doing it all
[07:02] <gardengnome> 18:34 < Chutt> and against a 5 month old random svn checkout?
[07:02] <gardengnome> ;)
[07:02] <superm1> there are backtrace and symbols
[07:02] <gardengnome> yes, i know the time is wrong
[07:02] <superm1> thats what apport does
[07:02] <gardengnome> maybe he forgot to attach them
[07:02] <gardengnome> i'm looking..
[07:02] <superm1> he referenced them to the LP page
[07:02] <superm1> so they didnt have to be reuploaded
[07:03] <superm1> we need to get on friendly terms with the upstream guys then about how to handle crash reports like that
[07:03] <gardengnome> yup
[07:03] <superm1> i'm going to run to my first day of class.  if i have wifi i'll join #mythtv to see what you guys decide and help give some input
[07:03] <superm1> otherwise can you save a log for me gardengnome
[07:04] <gardengnome> sure.
[07:04] <superm1_away> thansk
[07:06] <gardengnome> DaveMorris: chutt always seems a bit grumpy, no worries :)
[07:06] <DaveMorris> lol
[07:11] <DaveMorris> gardengnome: I've got to go home and cook (still at work at gone 6)
[07:11] <DaveMorris> thanks for the heads up and help in #mythtv
[07:11] <gardengnome> DaveMorris: k
[07:11] <gardengnome> have a nice evening :)
[08:18] <DaveMorris> gardengnome: I read the logs, would seem we need to build the packages differently
[08:20] <gardengnome> yup.
[08:21] <DaveMorris> I guess any bug reports we get regarding apport should be rejected, till the packages are built differently
[08:22] <gardengnome> yup
[08:22] <gardengnome> they are no use
[08:22] <gardengnome> although apport looks like a great idea
[08:24] <DaveMorris> will it take much to make the admendments required by apport?
[08:26] <DaveMorris> superm1_away: http://greenacre.no-ip.com/dave/mythtv-logs.html for the logs of the convo
[08:30] <Paladine> Dave, the myth team released a patch already? that was quick
[08:33] <DaveMorris> nah, it had already been reported 3 weeks ago
[08:33] <Paladine> k
[08:33] <Paladine> bbiab
[10:28] <superm1> gardengnome, DaveMorris i'm reading the log right now
[10:28] <superm1> what is a Pessimisation?
[10:28] <DaveMorris> no idea
[10:28] <DaveMorris> prehaps they meant permentations
[10:30] <superm1> permutatoins perhaps?
[10:30] <superm1> or even permutations
[10:30] <DaveMorris> thats it
[10:30] <superm1> so from reading that, what am i to gather?  We need to change how the packages are optimized
[10:30] <superm1> and -03 only libavcodec
[10:31] <superm1> and livavformat?
[10:31] <superm1> and they will take our bug reports
[10:31] <DaveMorris> yeah, and we need to reject all the appot things we have so far
[10:31] <DaveMorris> I'll also talk to them about one to make sure its enough info
[10:31] <superm1> which i'm assuming you did given i have 51 emails :)
[10:31] <DaveMorris> not yet :)
[10:32] <DaveMorris> check the ones I assigned to you since there is some stuff for you to do
[10:33] <superm1> It'll have to wait until later after work when i look more into them, with this class in the middle of the day i'm a bit behind today
[10:33] <superm1> but i'll make sure they're all sane
[10:33] <superm1> (the ones assigned to me)
[10:33] <DaveMorris> yep
[10:44] <DaveMorris> does the mythtv team also own all the myth* things?
[10:44] <superm1> yes
[10:44] <superm1> well we should anyway ;)
[10:44] <DaveMorris> can we get them to all appear on one bug page?
[10:44] <superm1> yes
[10:44] <superm1> via package reports
[10:45] <superm1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mythtv/+packagebugs
[10:46] <a5benwillis>  anyone know what might cause this when trying to rip a dvd "Error: DVDISOCopyThread dvd device read error"
[10:46] <a5benwillis>  and it appears that the system hangs for a good while as well but eventually returns
[10:46] <a5benwillis> .
[10:47] <a5benwillis> could it be that I need to enable DMA on the dvd drive?
[10:47] <DaveMorris> a5benwillis: you got the deCSS stuff installed?
[10:47] <superm1> copy protection likely
[10:47] <a5benwillis> ah, lol
[10:48] <a5benwillis> well what good is it if copy protection breaks it :-)
[10:48] <a5benwillis> DaveMorris: Not yet
[10:48] <a5benwillis> DaveMorris: Maybe tonight.....
[11:01] <gardengnome> superm1, DaveMorris: a "pessimisation" is a pejorative term for "optimisation", meaning that higher optimiztation levels in gcc break the ability to debug properly
[11:01] <superm1> ah
[11:01] <DaveMorris> thansk gardengnome
[11:01] <superm1> gardengnome, what do we do now you think?
[11:01] <superm1> regarding optimizing and such?
[11:01] <superm1> and --debug
[11:02] <gardengnome> i have no clue. :)
[11:02] <gardengnome> i can recommend you a good beer. anyways.
[11:02] <DaveMorris> gardengnome: has been to the pub :)
[11:02] <gardengnome> what do you think about chutt's idea of building ffmpeg with -O3
[11:02] <superm1> how do you build only two components with -03?
[11:02] <gardengnome> while building the rest of mythtv with an optimization level that'll allow debugging?
[11:02] <superm1> sed?
[11:03] <gardengnome> superm1: you hack the makefiles?
[11:03] <DaveMorris> personally you should do it upstream
[11:03] <DaveMorris> create profiles etc
[11:03] <gardengnome> IMHO, yes
[11:03] <DaveMorris> I'm gonna reject all the apport bugs with "Rejected as the supplied stack trace is unsuitable for svn.mythtv.org  GardenGnome and Superm1 are to work on making the packages provide suitable traces etc for upstream bug reports" You guys happy with that
[11:04] <gardengnome> i asked chutt if he wants to include it in mythtv, but i didn't get an answer
[11:04] <gardengnome> DaveMorris: s/gardengnome/laga/ that's my real nnick
[11:04] <superm1> s chutt *sure* that our stack traces are no good?
[11:04] <gardengnome> i lost the password for laga on freenode, though
[11:04] <superm1> or he is just assuming?
[11:04] <gardengnome> superm1: yes. -O3 breaks $stuff because we --eanble-proc-opt (at least that's my interpretation)
[11:05] <superm1> then on that basis we have to reject all of these until things are settled
[11:05] <DaveMorris> tbh if we implement profiles I'm sure upstream will take them, sinece they can still compile everything the same as before
[11:05] <DaveMorris> what is used for mythtv?  scnons? autotools?
[11:05] <superm1> like a --ubuntu profile?
[11:05] <superm1> or compile-type=ubuntu?
[11:06] <DaveMorris> something like that
[11:06] <superm1> or better yet --compile-type=apport
[11:06] <gardengnome> DaveMorris: ffmpeg's configure script and qmake
[11:06] <superm1> so other distros that adapt apport
[11:06] <superm1> can use it
[11:06] <gardengnome> --compile-type=package-maintainer
[11:07] <superm1> gardengnome, do you want to look into making it, or should i?
[11:10] <gardengnome> superm1: i've got enough tasks for the moment. although it's nothing time-critical because there's still time till gutsy
[11:11] <superm1> right
[11:11] <superm1> can you write a spec
[11:11] <superm1> on LP
[11:11] <superm1> and just leave it open ended
[11:11] <superm1> and then whichever of us frees up sooner can investigate things
[11:11] <superm1> or better yet $things
[11:16] <gardengnome> yup.
[11:17] <gardengnome> i'm gonna add some specs anyways
[11:17] <gardengnome> i'm not sure if it'll happen tonight because the GF is here. we'll see
[11:17] <superm1> have her write a few to ;)
[11:17] <superm1> too
[11:20] <gardengnome> i would, but she's busy studying :)
[11:20] <superm1> gardengnome, if nothing else, can you at least put up the spec about today's discussion so we dont lose the info from #mythtv
[11:20] <gardengnome> yup
[11:22] <superm1> later on i'll try to get a few specs out (cat /dev/superm1/$minddump > launchpad)
[11:22] <gardengnome> same here
[11:23] <superm1> thanks for the nice comments keescook, just saw them :)
[11:23] <keescook> superm1: you bet! :)
[11:24] <superm1> hopefully imbrandon and crimsun get their acts together too now :)
[11:24] <DaveMorris> hmmm, the configure script is just over 3.5k lines superm1
[11:24] <superm1> the ubiquity patch that I've been working on is 4.3k lines now DaveMorris :)
[11:24] <superm1> *patch*
[11:25] <DaveMorris> I use autotools at work
[11:25] <gardengnome> phew :)
[11:25] <DaveMorris> nice and easy :)
[11:32] <Daviey> DaveMorris: your keen!  I've had 58 emails from you today!
[11:32] <Daviey> -spammer-
[11:32] <Daviey> :D
[11:33] <superm1> my inbox is at 88
[11:33] <superm1> how does that work out....
[11:33] <Daviey> hmm.. maybe i misscounted
[11:33] <Daviey> or your on a wacky timezone
[11:33] <superm1> oh a bunch of mine are motu stuff though
[11:33] <superm1> thats why
[11:34] <superm1> oh Daviey i didnt tell you, i applied :)
[11:53] <DaveMorris> Daviey: I thought I'd give them a good sort out before looking after them
[11:53] <superm1> DaveMorris, thank you immensely for helping sort through those today.  They've been on the back burner for ages
[11:53] <DaveMorris> we have 28 bugs open now
[11:53] <superm1> very nice
[11:53] <DaveMorris> across mythtv and mythplugins
[11:53] <superm1> thats much better
[11:53] <superm1> i should be able to close up a lot of the packaging related ones this week too
[11:53] <DaveMorris> sounds good
[11:53] <DaveMorris> I finally got around to reporting my bug as well
[11:53] <superm1> which one is that?
[11:53] <DaveMorris> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythplugins/+bug/118700
[11:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 118700 in mythplugins "mytharchive fails with python error" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[11:53] <superm1> i think the underlying issue with that one comes down to the RecordingPrefix not being set
[11:53] <superm1> for a frontend system
[11:53] <DaveMorris> how come I can't change the importance for that bug
[11:53] <superm1> because the files are accessed directly rather than streamed
[11:53] <superm1> you need to be on ubuntu-qa to do so
[11:53] <superm1> which neither of us are
[11:53] <DaveMorris> how can we get on it?
[11:53] <DaveMorris> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/102964 has he tried to disable his 2nd core correctly?
[11:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 102964 in mythtv "Waited too long for video out to pause" [Undecided,Needs info] 
[11:53] <superm1> have to join bugsquad
[11:53] <superm1> and then be given it after working for a while
[11:53] <superm1> we should poke around about that though, it would make sense for use to be able to control the priority of our own bugs
[11:53] <superm1> I'm not sure, i've never known how to do so myself
[11:53] <superm1> other than the bios
[11:53] <DaveMorris> whats the difference between myth-frontend and ubuntu-mythtv-frontend ?
[11:53] <superm1> the latter is a metapackage
[11:53] <superm1> that sets up an automatic login
[11:53] <superm1> and start of mythfrontend
[11:53] <DaveMorris> lol, I did those bits myself :)
[11:53] <superm1> haha
[11:53] <superm1> it does a lot of magic
[11:53] <superm1> really
[11:53] <gardengnome> yup
[11:53] <gardengnome> niftiness++
[11:53] <superm1> when mythbuntu does a frontend install, it is what is installed
[11:53] <superm1> for the first reboot
[11:53] <gardengnome> DaveMorris: WRT 102964: there are other ways to disable the second core.
[11:53] <gardengnome> DaveMorris: i'll ask someone.
[11:53] <DaveMorris> thanks
[11:53] <DaveMorris> I assume using a non smp kernel would also do it
[11:53] <DaveMorris> my frontend is special anyway, since it uses patched opencrhome drivers :)
[11:53] <gardengnome> does ubuntu still have those?
[11:53] <DaveMorris> non smp kernel
[11:53] <DaveMorris> not by default
[11:53] <gardengnome> yup.
[11:53] <DaveMorris> but I've had to install some i386 kernels for my mini-itx boards
[11:53] <DaveMorris> superm1: I've just assigned you a blocker bug for packaging
[11:56] <superm1> DaveMorris, just checked about priorties
[11:56] <superm1> you need to be on ubuntu-qa or motu to set them
[11:56] <superm1> so i filed a bug about that
[11:56] <superm1> bug 118708
[11:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 118708 in malone "Package maintainers can't set priorities of their own packages" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118708
[11:57] <superm1> ah i see it.
[11:57] <superm1> thanks DaveMorris
[11:57] <gardengnome> DaveMorris: "taskset" can be used to disable SMP for single processes
[12:00] <DaveMorris> any idea how you use that?
[12:02] <gardengnome> DaveMorris: no clue. the man page should tell the reporter
[12:02] <DaveMorris> true
[12:03] <gardengnome> DaveMorris: we don't have to read manuals to everyone. they'll let us know if they run into problems.
[12:04] <gardengnome> superm1: yay, there is a typo in the specification name ;)
[12:04] <gardengnome> superm1: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythtv/+spec/mythtv-sane-db-symbols
[12:04] <superm1> whats the typo?
[12:05] <gardengnome> superm1: it's https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythtv/+spec/mythtv-sane-dbg-symbols now
[12:05] <gardengnome> superm1: "db" instead of "dbg".
[12:05] <superm1> oh
[12:05] <gardengnome> already fixed
[12:05] <superm1> db symbols
[12:05] <superm1> dbg
[12:05] <superm1> right
[12:05] <gardengnome> didn't know it was possible to edit the name
[12:06] <gardengnome> i hope you can understand what i've written. czech beer madness is out to get me.
[12:06] <superm1> I'll read through it in a few min
[12:06] <superm1> haha
[12:08] <gardengnome> superm1: take your time.
[12:09] <DaveMorris> seems fine gardengnome
[12:10] <gardengnome> DaveMorris: is http://greenacre.no-ip.com/dave/mythtv-logs.html supposed to be a permanent URL?
[12:10] <DaveMorris> nope
[12:10] <DaveMorris> its on my adsl
[12:11] <gardengnome> ah
[12:11] <gardengnome> i'll copy it to my server then.
[12:11] <DaveMorris> cheers
[12:11] <DaveMorris> it can stay there but the connection is unrelaible
[12:13] <DaveMorris> superm1: where is the page you wanted to collect the firmware been used and the cards associated with it
[12:13] <gardengnome> no worries.
[12:13] <gardengnome> DaveMorris: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Firmware - maybe that's a good read
[12:14] <gardengnome> DaveMorris: some distros (eg gentoo) ship a package called "dvb-firmware".
[12:14] <Daviey> DaveMorris: I've read half of that log.  And Chutt's attitude stinks!
[12:15] <DaveMorris> hehe, thanks Daviey
[12:15] <DaveMorris> gardengnome: is it legal though?
[12:15] <gardengnome> Daviey: chutt is like that.
[12:16] <Daviey> is he a mythtv core dev?
[12:16] <gardengnome> Daviey: his real name is "isaac richards".
[12:16] <Daviey> ah
[12:16] <Daviey> I'm guessing he's as core as it gets then :D
[12:16] <gardengnome> yup
[12:16] <gardengnome> hardcore. just without the pr0n.
[12:16] <gardengnome> err
[12:16] <gardengnome> anyways.
[12:17] <gardengnome> trust him, i have seen him in worse moods. he was kinda helpful today. ;)
[12:17] <Daviey> It's attitudes like his that make you want to see what else is out there.
[12:18] <gardengnome> i don't like the other choices.
[12:18] <gardengnome> and there are some great mythtv developers out there.
[12:18] <gardengnome> stuarta and gbee, for example.
[12:18] <gardengnome> xris and kormoc.
[12:19] <gardengnome> j-rod is a nice guy, too, although he doesn't contribute a lot. busy with other stuff, i suppose.
[12:20] <gardengnome> janneg is nice, too, although a bit reserved.
[12:20] <gardengnome> yeah
[12:20] <gardengnome> i admit it. i'm a hopeless mythtv fanboi.
[12:21] <DaveMorris> hehe
[12:22] <DaveMorris> superm1: not sure about the mythbuntu installer yet but it doesn't pull anything down via wget does it?
[12:23] <gardengnome> if it wasn't a ridiculous assumption, i'd assume you just broke wget
[12:23] <DaveMorris> no, I've just filled a bug against the msttcorefonts and if we are using wget during the installation it'll also suffer from it
[12:23] <Daviey> DaveMorris: not yet, no
[12:24] <DaveMorris> apart from it prob depends on msttcorefonts still ;)
[12:24] <Daviey> msttcorefonts requirement should be remove by gutsy release time
[12:24] <DaveMorris> when is gusty release?
[12:24] <Daviey> oct
[12:30] <gardengnome> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythtv/+spec/mythweb-password-protection
[12:30] <gardengnome> ;)