[12:29] <W8TAH> hi folkz - how active / stable is the ubuntu development of XMMS at this point?
[12:29] <Jester45> !xmms
[12:29] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Audacious, Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[12:29] <Jester45> !info xxms
[12:29] <ubotu> Package xxms does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[12:29] <Jester45> !info xmms
[12:29] <ubotu> xmms: Versatile X audio player. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.2.10+20061201-1ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 794 kB, installed size 6304 kB
[12:29] <maxamillion> W8TAH: as far as i know they just recompile it from the debian souces
[12:29] <maxamillion> sources*
[12:29] <Jester45> thats the version its at
[12:29] <W8TAH> ok -
[12:30] <W8TAH> it was dropped from the gentoo tree recently for lack of development
[12:30] <W8TAH> and i was curious if i should go that route on xubuntu or look at something else
[12:30] <maxamillion> W8TAH: i don't think that ubuntu actually does much development for xmms, i think they might patch it in some cases when needed, but no upstream devel
[12:30] <W8TAH> is upstream active or not?
[12:31] <maxamillion> W8TAH: well i'm pretty sure debian will always develop it and ubuntu uses their upstream (active) code, so i think xubuntu would suite you nicely
[12:31] <Jester45> yea if they find a bug with it thats only happens with *buntu then they might patch but they dont add code to the offical xmms source
[12:31] <Seveas> upstream xmms is dead
[12:31] <W8TAH> im sorry -- i misspoke - is upstream for xmms active - -im alreay on xubuntu
[12:31] <W8TAH> ahh - -ok
[12:31] <Seveas> in ubuntu it will be ditched soon
[12:31] <W8TAH> thats what i was lookin for
[12:32] <W8TAH> so whats the recomended replacement?
[12:32] <Seveas> glad I coud help :)
[12:32] <Seveas> audacious, beep-media-player, whatver you fancy
[12:32] <W8TAH> :)
[12:32] <W8TAH> ok - -thanks -- i knew upstream in portage for xmms had died i wasnt sure if it was global or just portage
[12:32] <maxamillion> Seveas: xmms upstream official project is dead, but i was under the impression it was still being worked on within debian
[12:33] <maxamillion> W8TAH: well i know official upstream of xmms died long ago
[12:33] <W8TAH> ok - thats the info i needed -- i'll look at other options
[12:33] <maxamillion> W8TAH: i think distros have just been keeping it due to its popularity
[12:33] <W8TAH> ya - im sure
[12:33] <W8TAH> i'll have a look at other replacements - -
[12:33] <maxamillion> W8TAH: there is xmms2 .... the gtk2+ port, i believe its developed by the original xmms team
[12:34] <maxamillion> !info xmms2
[12:34] <W8TAH> is it active?
[12:34] <ubotu> Package xmms2 does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[12:34] <maxamillion> W8TAH: lemme get you a link
[12:34] <W8TAH> cool
[12:34] <maxamillion> W8TAH: http://wiki.xmms2.xmms.se/index.php/Main_Page
[12:34] <W8TAH> thanks a ton
[12:34] <maxamillion> np
[12:34] <Jester45> hummm....
[12:34] <Seveas> xmms2 is only slightly more alive than xmms
[12:34] <W8TAH> ugh
[12:34] <W8TAH> thats not good
[12:35] <Seveas> not bad either
[12:35] <Seveas> enough decent mediaplayers :)
[12:35] <Pumpernickel> It's "stable". ^^
[12:35] <maxamillion> Seveas: it would be nice if ubuntu would make other media player's packages work though
[12:36] <Seveas> maxamillion, how about audacious?
[12:36] <Jester45> anyone think they could tell my why hdparm says -t = 416 kb/s and -T 79mb/s
[12:36] <maxamillion> Seveas: never touched it ... i use exaile now
[12:37] <maxamillion> Jester45: no clue
[12:38] <maxamillion> Seveas: i will look into it though
[02:46] <Shaba1> hello
[02:48] <Shaba1> any advice on getting a xubutu installation to recognize a pcmcia wireless card
[02:49] <TheSheep> !pcmcia
[02:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pcmcia - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:49] <TheSheep> :/
[02:50] <vidd_> Shaba1, does the card show up in "sudo network-admin"?
[02:50] <Shaba1> hold on I will look
[02:52] <Shaba1> ok tht started a dialog box
[02:52] <Shaba1> which I have filled out with my essid before
[02:52] <Shaba1> how do I find out if it is recognising the card
[02:52] <Shaba1> because I do not see any lights on the card at all
[02:53] <vidd_> in comand line do iwconfig
[02:54] <Shaba1> trying vidd
[02:54] <Shaba1> hold on
[02:56] <Shaba1> Ok I have an entry under eth1
[02:57] <vidd> does it say access point followed by "Invalid" or a MAC address?
[02:58] <Shaba1> invalid
[02:58] <vidd> is there a power button on this card?
[02:58] <Shaba1> I do not think so
[02:59] <Shaba1> but let me chec to make sre
[02:59] <vidd> is it a linksys "g" card?
[02:59] <Shaba1> b/g
[02:59] <vidd> *groan*.....
[02:59] <Shaba1> and no power button
[02:59] <vidd> it is a bcm43xx chipset....
[03:00] <vidd> i threw it across the room and now i cant find it....=] 
[03:00] <Shaba1> broadcome 4306
[03:00] <vidd> all you need to do is get the firmware for it....
[03:02] <vidd> sudo apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter
[03:03] <Shaba1> will that work with out a net connection
[03:03] <vidd> then sudo /usr/share/bcm43xx-fwcutter/install_bcm43xx_firmware.sh
[03:04] <vidd> uhh...no....you need to be connected
[03:04] <Shaba1> vidd
[03:04] <Shaba1> well that is the problem is it not?
[03:04] <BadSneakers> it'll fit on a floppy
[03:04] <vidd> BadSneakers, have you done it that way?
[03:05] <Shaba1> ok I am on windows
[03:05] <Shaba1> right now
[03:05] <Shaba1> iwht my other laptop
[03:05] <Shaba1> anyway I can download that
[03:05] <Shaba1> and use a usp key
[03:05] <BadSneakers> i downloaded the firmware from "someplace"  not sure where
[03:05] <vidd> Shaba1, let me find the .deb for ya....
[03:06] <BadSneakers> and it worked like a charm
[03:06] <vidd> so you can get that on a disk and then run the deb
[03:07] <BadSneakers> i downloaded on a windows box and used a usb drive to get it onto linux
[03:08] <BadSneakers> this seems familiar http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2723540
[03:08] <vidd> Shaba1, you using edgy, fiesty or dapper?
[03:10] <Shaba1> I have know idea
[03:10] <Shaba1> its the xubuntu intall
[03:10] <Shaba1> but I can find out the version number quickely
[03:10] <vidd> ok
[03:12] <Shaba1> 4.3.9.99
[03:13] <BadSneakers> feisty 7.04 is what I'm running
[03:14] <maxamillion> Shaba1: that's going to be the xfce version, not the xubuntu version
[03:14] <vidd> kk
[03:14] <maxamillion> Shaba1: can you tell me what the command "uname -r" says?
[03:15] <Shaba1> hold on
[03:15] <maxamillion> k
[03:16] <Shaba1> 2.6.17-10-generic
[03:16] <vidd> that sounds pretty fiesty to me
[03:17] <Shaba1> and???
[03:17] <maxamillion> vidd: no ... that's edgy
[03:17] <vidd> dam
[03:17] <maxamillion> vidd: feisty is 2.6.20
[03:17] <Jester45> no to me becuase fiesty has -15 and -16 kernels
[03:17] <Jester45> edgy im guessing
[03:17] <Jester45> o darn you beat me to it
[03:18] <maxamillion> :)
[03:18] <maxamillion> i don't ever worry about the update revision version, just the actaul kernel release version :)
[03:18] <Shaba1> whicever
[03:18] <Shaba1> sorry guys
[03:18] <Shaba1> I promised this laptop to someone friday
[03:18] <vidd> how the heck do you get a .deb from the universe so this guy can get his bcm43xx card to work?
[03:19] <Shaba1> I wold put windwos on it but id tode not have a disc
[03:19] <Shaba1> does not have a disc
[03:19] <maxamillion> vidd: packages.ubuntu.com
[03:19] <Shaba1> but all they need to do is check email
[03:19] <Shaba1> so  I figure xubuntu
[03:20] <maxamillion> Shaba1: do you have a wired internet connection to it so you are able to download things?
[03:20] <Shaba1> now I cannot get that to work with the wireless cared in it
[03:20] <Shaba1> no
[03:20] <Shaba1> yes I do
[03:20] <maxamillion> ah
[03:20] <Jester45> you said you had usb right
[03:20] <Shaba1> but is there ayway to just download it to a usb key
[03:21] <maxamillion> well, yes ... but its probable that you will need other dependencies
[03:21] <Jester45> maxamillion: look to see and have him downoad it also
[03:21] <vidd> no...no other deps...i dont believe....
[03:22] <Shaba1> ggrrr
[03:22] <Shaba1> guys
[03:22] <Shaba1> I appreciate the help
[03:22] <Shaba1> but can you people come to a consinsous
[03:22] <Shaba1> Instead of being the Harvard Debating society
[03:23] <vidd> im working on it....
[03:23] <vidd> you have ix86 arch?
[03:23] <maxamillion> vidd: what about bcm43xx-fwcutter?
[03:23] <Jester45> its a good thing, at least sometimes becuase someone might think of a better way of doing somthing
[03:24] <Jester45> while trying to install wouldnt it tell him he needs the packages and then he can get it from there
[03:24] <vidd> i got it....just need to know if he need ix86, ppc, or something else
[03:25] <vidd> Shaba1, vidd.homelinux.net:8080/downloads
[03:25] <vidd> i uploaded the deb file there
[03:27] <vidd> Shaba1, you got it now?
[03:28] <Shaba1> cvhecking
[03:28] <Shaba1> checking rather
[03:29] <vidd> you *shouldnt* need any other file....
[03:29] <vidd> let me know when you have it installed on the laptop, and ill tell ya the next step
[03:30] <maxamillion> Shaba1: you know how to install .deb files?
[03:32] <Shaba1> 404 error vidd
[03:32] <Jester45> http://vidd.homelinux.net:8080/downloads/bcm43xx-fwcutter_20060501-5_i386.deb
[03:34] <vidd> ya getting it?
[03:34] <vidd> once it is installed, use the command line and type: sudo /usr/share/bcm43xx-fwcutter/install_bcm43xx_firmware.sh
[03:35] <Shaba1> I hope that is it
[03:35] <Shaba1> becasue it only saved at 21 kb
[03:35] <vidd> just one step after that....
[03:36] <vidd> its a small file
[03:37] <vidd> it is only a driver...and its compressed
[03:38] <Shaba1> ok first think
[03:38] <Shaba1> thing
[03:38] <Shaba1> how do Ifind the usb drive
[03:39] <vidd> uhhh.... maxamillion ?
[03:40] <vidd> Shaba1, open thundar
[03:40] <vidd> *thunar
[03:41] <vidd> it *should* be listed on the left side
[03:41] <vidd> do you see it?
[03:42] <Shaba1> applications menu-->system submenu---> thundar file manager
[03:42] <Shaba1> ok now what
[03:42] <vidd> do you see your usb drive on the left?
[03:43] <Shaba1> yeah
[03:43] <Shaba1> looking for that file now
[03:43] <vidd> click it
[03:44] <vidd> then drag the file to the desktop....or open it in thunar
[03:45] <Shaba1> got it open now
[03:45] <vidd> once you open it, you will click "install" then enter your password
[03:45] <Shaba1> in thundar
[03:46] <vidd> is it installing?
[03:47] <Shaba1> says its finished installing
[03:47] <vidd> good....close it, and you can remove the usb drive
[03:48] <Jester45> right click and eject before removing
[03:48] <vidd> next, use the command line and type: sudo /usr/share/bcm43xx-fwcutter/install_bcm43xx_firmware.sh
[03:49] <vidd> Jester45, edgy handled umounting the drive when you just pull it out correctly
[03:50] <Shaba1> vidd
[03:50] <vidd> yeah?
[03:50] <Shaba1> Resolving svit.epfl.ch... failed: Temporary failure in name resolution
[03:51] <vidd> ....
[03:52] <Shaba1> hello
[03:52] <vidd> you have the windows disk that came wityh this card?
[03:53] <Shaba1> nope
[03:53] <vidd> wonderbar....
[03:53] <vidd> ok....let me get the file you need uploasded....
[03:54] <Shaba1> they daugher jut gave me the laptop and the powersupply and the disk that has drivers and diagnostics but not windows
[03:54] <Shaba1> otherwise I would not have even bothred with xubuntu
[03:54] <vidd> so you have the driver disk for the wireless card?
[03:54] <Shaba1> no
[03:54] <Shaba1> I think the wireless care was and add on
[03:55] <Shaba1> its dell also
[03:55] <vidd> ok...then let me find the right driver
[03:55] <Shaba1> but I thin it was added after sening
[03:55] <Shaba1> after the got it
[03:56] <vidd> http://boredklink.googlepages.com/wl_apsta.o
[03:57] <Shaba1> btw
[03:57] <vidd> yeah?
[03:57] <Shaba1> yes I do understand networks and technology
[03:57] <vidd> i never said you did
[03:58] <vidd> *didnt
[03:58] <Shaba1> I just quit my job as a self taught netword admin for a non profit
[03:58] <Shaba1> but I am a TOTAL windwos person
[03:58] <vidd> sorry to hear that....
[03:58] <vidd> but someone needs to keep the mal-ware pushers, and the virus-writer employed
[03:59] <Shaba1> just I am not a complete idiot
[04:00] <Shaba1>  go back to the altiar 8000 days
[04:00] <vidd> i made no asumptions that you were....
[04:00] <vidd> you dont do this every day, so i woulds not expect yuou to be a wiz
[04:00] <vidd> *wouldnt
[04:01] <Shaba1> well I know I am asking what seem to you some really simple questions
[04:01] <Shaba1> ok got the .o file on disk
[04:01] <vidd> no more silly then when i was asking the same questions 9 months ago
[04:02] <vidd> you want to acually move this file to a known location on the new computer....like the desktop.....
[04:02] <vidd> once it is copied....
[04:03] <vidd> then type sudo bcm43xx-fwcutter -w /lib/firmware/`uname -r` [path/to/wl_apsta.o] 
[04:04] <Shaba1> hold on
[04:04] <Shaba1> I m still tying
[04:04] <vidd> If you moved it to the desktop....the line will look something like: sudo bcm43xx-fwcutter -w /lib/firmware/`uname -r` /home/username/Desktop/wl_apsta.o
[04:04] <Shaba1> working on copy and past to the desktop
[04:05] <Shaba1> I got copy
[04:05] <Shaba1> not I am trying to rightclick and past
[04:05] <Shaba1> past
[04:05] <vidd> click and drag *should* do it.....
[04:05] <Shaba1> done
[04:05] <Shaba1> now let me scroll back
[04:06] <vidd> i dont think you can paste things to the desktop on edgy
[04:06] <vidd> If you moved it to the desktop....the line will look something like: sudo bcm43xx-fwcutter -w /lib/firmware/`uname -r` /home/username/Desktop/wl_apsta.o
[04:06] <vidd> be VERY particular about what you type.....
[04:07] <vidd> you want to use the ` key....wich is usually on  the ~ key directly above your [tab]  key
[04:08] <vidd> unless of course....your laptop keybad is crazy messed up....like mine is=] 
[04:08] <Shaba1> uname
[04:08] <vidd> ASlso...the "d" in Desktop MUST be capitalized
[04:09] <vidd> yes...`uname -r`
[04:09] <Shaba1> what is uname
[04:09] <Shaba1> username that I signed on with?
[04:09] <maxamillion> Shaba1: no
[04:09] <maxamillion> Shaba1: type "man uname" it will tell you all about it
[04:09] <vidd> `uname -r` is [currently installed linux version] 
[04:09] <maxamillion> Shaba1: and the command "man uname" means "open the manual page for the command 'uname'"
[04:09] <Shaba1> maxamillion let vidd do this so I do not get a confusion of different instructions
[04:10] <maxamillion> Shaba1: okies :)
[04:10] <Shaba1> vid how the heck do I know the "currently install version of linux?
[04:11] <maxamillion> i'm outta here
[04:11] <maxamillion> laters
[04:11] <Shaba1> do I literally type `uname -r is my question
[04:11] <vidd> you dont NEED to know....that is what `uname -r` is for....it gets that for you
[04:11] <vidd> yes you do
[04:12] <Shaba1> ok
[04:12] <Jester45> the ` ` make the command inside run and the output to be replaced right there
[04:12] <vidd> and dont forget the ` after it to
[04:12] <Jester45> its a shortcut
[04:12] <Shaba1> well you did not put that in there vidd
[04:12] <Shaba1> but thanks
[04:13] <vidd> ....
[04:13] <vidd> im sure i did...i copy/pasted it right from tyhe instructions....
[04:14] <vidd> once that finishes....(you will get your command line prompt) type modprobe bcm43xx
[04:14] <vidd> whoops....
[04:14] <vidd> sudo modprobe bcm43xx
[04:15] <vidd> then reboot
[04:15] <vidd> and enjoy your internet connection
[04:15] <vidd> acually....you probably dont need to reboot....
[04:15] <vidd> just sudo ifdown eth1
[04:16] <vidd> and sudo ifup eth1
[04:16] <Shaba1> Ok before I hit enter on this line
[04:16] <Shaba1> is /home/username/Desktop
[04:16] <Shaba1> is username literally that
[04:16] <Shaba1> or is it the username I signed in with to xubuntu
[04:16] <vidd> replace username with your ACTUAL username....
[04:17] <Shaba1> see
[04:17] <vidd> on my system ist vidd-desktop....
[04:18] <vidd> on my first round i said [path/to/wl_apsta.o] 
[04:18] <Shaba1> ok bunch of text flashed on the secreen
[04:19] <Shaba1> extracting a whold buch of file
[04:19] <vidd> good....
[04:19] <vidd> you have your prompt back?
[04:19] <Shaba1> yeah
[04:20] <Shaba1> it said some of them did not extract though
[04:20] <vidd> did you get ANY error messages?
[04:21] <Shaba1> Sorry it is not posible to extract "bcm43xx_microcode13.fw
[04:22] <BadSneakers> i've got all that here extracted if it'd help
[04:22] <Shaba1> "Extracting firmware from adn old driver is bad. choose a more recent one.
[04:22] <vidd> Shaba1, is that the only one?
[04:22] <Shaba1> yep
[04:23] <vidd> good...
[04:23] <vidd> now sudo modprobe bcm43xx
[04:24] <vidd> then try to browse
[04:25] <vidd> you might be able to at this point because you already set up the network settings,,,,,
[04:25] <Shaba1> for what
[04:25] <vidd> but you might need to take down the settings and reload them.....
[04:25] <Shaba1> what settings
[04:25] <vidd> just go to google or something
[04:25] <vidd> the network conection settings you did at the very beginning
[04:26] <Shaba1> noda
[04:26] <vidd> ok...that is fine....
[04:26] <vidd> sudo ifdown eth1
[04:26] <vidd> then sudo ifup eth1
[04:27] <vidd> then iwconfig
[04:27] <Shaba1> interface eth1 is already configured
[04:28] <vidd> you need to do sudo ifdown first
[04:28] <Shaba1> same theing as before on iwconfig
[04:28] <vidd> THEN sudo ifup eth1
[04:28] <Shaba1> already configured
[04:29] <AlexC> i think i need libc6-dev
[04:29] <vidd> are you typing sudo ifdown eth1?
[04:29] <Shaba1> now you did not tell me to
[04:29] <AlexC> where can i download it via ftp?
[04:29] <AlexC> (not apt)
[04:29] <vidd> i most certainly did.....
[04:29] <vidd> like 6 times
[04:30] <Shaba1> oK here we go
[04:30] <Shaba1> now I think I am geting something
[04:30] <Shaba1> I am seeing dhcp discover broadcast
[04:30] <vidd> good....
[04:30] <Shaba1> and the cards liigh is one
[04:30] <Shaba1> now we are working
[04:31] <vidd> ok....go see if you can browse
[04:31] <vidd> or beter yet.....
[04:31] <Shaba1> no DHCP offers revieved
[04:31] <Shaba1> wht is not good
[04:31] <Jester45> AlexC: what arch do you need? 64, I386 ppc?
[04:31] <vidd> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:31] <AlexC> x86
[04:32] <vidd> hrm....
[04:32] <AlexC> jester45: i need the paks needed for development in C
[04:32] <vidd> do you have any authentication set up on the wireless router?
[04:32] <Shaba1> was that for me vid
[04:32] <vidd> or MAC filtering?
[04:32] <Shaba1> yeha old one
[04:32] <Shaba1> no make filtering though
[04:32] <Shaba1> just web encryption
[04:32] <Jester45> AlexC: http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/libdevel/libc6-dev
[04:32] <AlexC> i think libc6-dev is what i need
[04:32] <AlexC> thanks
[04:33] <Shaba1> and i set the key already
[04:33] <vidd> did you verify the wep key is entered correctly? they are tricky sometimes....
[04:34] <Shaba1> same one as I use on this laptop
[04:34] <Shaba1> but network setting did not speicifcally say WEP
[04:34] <Shaba1> but hexdecimal
[04:34] <vidd> go to sudo pico /etc/network/interfaces
[04:35] <vidd> is your wep key hex or ascii?
[04:35] <Shaba1> ASCII i THINK
[04:35] <Shaba1> sorry
[04:35] <vidd> (hexidecimal or pasephrase)
[04:35] <Shaba1> its a bunch of numbers
[04:35] <Merchelo> yeah, it's ok so
[04:36] <AlexC> jester25, i need a download link, what repo is it in? main, universe etc
[04:36] <vidd> Shaba1, you will want to verify the key on your router.....
[04:37] <Shaba1> ok I id pico
[04:37] <vidd> make sure it is hex
[04:37] <Shaba1> it goves me something that looks like a wordstar screen
[04:37] <vidd> yes....
[04:38] <vidd> use the arrow keys to scroll down so you can view the wep key
[04:38] <Jester45> AlexC: ok
[04:38] <vidd> and make sure it is IDENTICAL to the wep key in your router
[04:38] <AlexC> it's main
[04:38] <Shaba1> 64bit hex
[04:38] <AlexC> libc6-dev: GNU C Library: Development Libraries and Header Files. In component main, is optional. Version 2.5-0ubuntu14 (feisty), package size 2947 kB, installed size 12236 kB
[04:38] <Shaba1> I just checked it on the configureation on this laptop
[04:39] <Jester45> http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/main/g/glibc/libc6-dev_2.5-0ubuntu14_i386.deb
[04:40] <AlexC> ty, so much
[04:40] <Shaba1> vid arrow kesy do nothing on that
[04:41] <vidd> now on my interfaces....it does not say anything about what kind of encryption....
[04:41] <Jester45> vidd: do you have any idea on the style of website you want? have you started it ? i could get it going
[04:41] <Shaba1> I am still at aht pico screen
[04:41] <vidd> Jester45, wrong window for this....
[04:42] <vidd> does the entry for "wireless-key" match the entry for your router exactly?
[04:43] <Shaba1>  see a black screen
[04:43] <Shaba1> with a buuch of control keys
[04:43] <Shaba1> on the bottome that seem to do noting
[04:44] <vidd> there is nothing writen there?
[04:44] <Shaba1> not a thinkg
[04:45] <Shaba1> just what looks like wordstar key shortcuts
[04:45] <Shaba1> that do not seem to respontd
[04:45] <vidd> ah...then you must have mistyped....
[04:45] <vidd> hit [ctrl] [x]  to get out....
[04:46] <vidd> and type again...
[04:47] <vidd> sudo /etc/network/interfaces
[04:47] <vidd> tab completion will help....
[04:47] <Shaba1> no pico
[04:47] <vidd> yes...pico...sorry
[04:48] <vidd> sudo pico /etc/network/interfaces
[04:49] <Shaba1> ok that got it
[04:49] <vidd> now you should see some writing?
[04:50] <Shaba1> yep
[04:50] <vidd> good....
[04:50] <Shaba1> and yes the key is the same as on ths laptop wich is wireless too
[04:50] <Shaba1> and the essid is the same also
[04:51] <vidd> remember...the essid is case sensitive
[04:51] <Shaba1> same
[04:51] <vidd> ok...next thing to check is the router....
[04:52] <Shaba1> for what mac filtering
[04:52] <vidd> we need to make sure that the router does NOT have MAC filtering turned on
[04:52] <vidd> that is correct
[04:53] <Jester45> vidd works at an isp his good at network stuff (tech support)
[04:53] <vidd> because if MAC filtering is on....the laptop can SEE the router but will not be allowed to connect to it unless it is on the "allow" list
[04:54] <vidd> we want to make sure that the router is not doing this type of authentication in addition to WEP
[04:54] <vidd> another thing you will want to check is if WPA is enabled
[04:54] <vidd> and if it is...i cant help you with it
[04:54] <vidd> =] 
[04:54] <vidd> =[
[04:54] <Shaba1> just check
[04:54] <Shaba1> same wep key
[04:54] <Shaba1> Hex
[04:55] <vidd> good
[04:55] <Shaba1> no mac filtering
[04:55] <vidd> good...
[04:55] <vidd> is WPA turned on?
[04:55] <Shaba1> nope
[04:55] <vidd> ok....
[04:55] <Shaba1> I could not get wpa to work with this laptop
[04:55] <vidd> lets re-boot
[04:55] <Shaba1> so I just used web
[04:56] <Shaba1> wep
[04:56] <vidd> i knew what ya ment;0
[04:56] <vidd> ;)
[04:56] <vidd> let's do a reboot....
[04:56] <vidd> ive had to do that to get mine to work
[04:56] <Shaba1> rebottng now
[04:59] <vidd> Shaba1, we back up?
[04:59] <Shaba1> yepper
[04:59] <Shaba1> thanks vid
[05:00] <Shaba1> ummm
[05:00] <vidd> we want to do iwconfig
[05:00] <vidd> you have contact now?
[05:00] <Shaba1> yeppe
[05:00] <Shaba1> one thing
[05:00] <vidd> yeah?
[05:01] <Shaba1> how do make a symbolic link on the desktop for firefox
[05:01] <Shaba1> wht we would call a shortcut
[05:02] <Jester45> you can add one to the panel
[05:02] <vidd> i never bothered to make shortcuts on the desktop...too much like windows.....
[05:02] <Shaba1> HOW
[05:03] <Shaba1> Well I am setting this up for a person that has a mac
[05:03] <vidd> i dont know....i never bothered to learn cuzz THIS AINT WINDOWS
[05:03] <Shaba1> that is minimally use to windows
[05:03] <Shaba1> and probably never heard of linux
[05:03] <Jester45> i think it will get used to a shortcut at the top of the screen fast
[05:04] <vidd> i BELIVE you can rightclick on the desktop and create a launcher...but i wont try toi tell you cuzz i dont know
[05:04] <Jester45> its much better there becuase you dont have to see the destop to open things
[05:04] <Shaba1> Jester weather you think it or not
[05:04] <Shaba1> I have to set this up for somone esle
[05:04] <Shaba1> anyone have any idea
[05:04] <Jester45> i heard you before
[05:05] <vidd> for a MAC user....who is very used to using the task bar shortcut
[05:06] <Shaba1> found it
[05:07] <vidd> good....
[05:08] <BeerSpike> hello
[05:08] <vidd> do you need any assistance with anything else....like adding xchat and configuring it to autoload this forum so the user can get help from us if/when he needs it?
[05:08] <vidd> hello BeerSpike
[05:09] <Shaba1> done
[05:09] <Shaba1> tanks vid
[05:09] <vidd> awesome...care to share your knowledge?
[05:09] <vidd> so i can help the next guy?
[05:10] <BeerSpike> I have a problem playing music cd's.  Not a codec problem, probably a confilict problem.
[05:10] <vidd> are you getting an error message when it loads?
[05:11] <BeerSpike> no. it freezes the tray, and it just buzzes when i try to play it. have to reboot to free the tray.
[05:11] <BeerSpike> try to play in vlc, xmms, xine, etc.
[05:11] <vidd> what version you running? dapper, edgy, fiesty or gutsy?
[05:11] <BeerSpike> fiesty
[05:12] <vidd> any issue with other media?
[05:12] <vidd> like dvd's?
[05:12] <BeerSpike> no. I can stream mp3's ok. don't have a dvd player
[05:13] <BeerSpike> even plays downloaded.
[05:13] <vidd> does it read data cd's ok?
[05:13] <BeerSpike> yes, just not regular audio cds
[05:13] <BeerSpike> weird, huh
[05:13] <vidd> yeah...very....
[05:14] <BeerSpike> i'm guessing vlc, xmms, etc might be conflicting at load. would there be a way to set one of them as the default player?
[05:14] <vidd> can you read DATA from the music cd...like copy the music files and then play them from the hd?
[05:15] <vidd> see if that helps.....
[05:15] <vidd> what codec's did you install>?
[05:15] <BeerSpike> geez, just about everything I could get my hands on :)
[05:15] <BeerSpike> the easy ubuntu ones to start
[05:15] <BeerSpike> win32
[05:16] <vidd> heh...it COULD be that the CODECs are conflicting....
[05:16] <Jester45> AlexC more problems?
[05:17] <BeerSpike> oh brother. good luck to me removing and starting again. I'll start removing media players.
[05:17] <BeerSpike> thanks
[05:17] <vidd> sorry i wasnt more enlightening!
[05:18] <BeerSpike> it's ok. I ran into this before. thanks for the help though
[05:18] <Jester45> there are audio cd codecs i tihnk
[05:18] <Jester45> !audiocd
[05:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about audiocd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:19] <vidd> !libxine-extracodecs
[05:20] <BeerSpike> I'll try removing everything and starting there.
[05:21] <vidd> cheers...i need to go to bed
[05:21] <BeerSpike> thanks, me too
[05:21] <BeerSpike> nite
[05:36] <AlexC> where is linux-libc-dev edgy?
[05:38] <Jester45> ?
[05:38] <Jester45> a package? try packages.ubuntu.org
[05:38] <Jester45> might be .com
[05:40] <AlexC> i can't find it on ftp
[05:40] <AlexC> i need it i think
[05:40] <AlexC> so libc6-dev can work
[05:42] <AlexC> http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/devel/linux-libc-dev
[05:44] <AlexC> i need to find it on archive.ubuntu.com or a mirror
[05:44] <AlexC> don't worry, found it
[06:15] <thirdy> Wats the most functiona distro?
[06:15] <thirdy> *functional
[06:19] <crimsun> clarify "functional".
[06:37] <thirdy> I like the desktop function in xfce where you could drag your apps to the next desktop easilly
[06:37] <thirdy> I can't do that easilly here in KDE
[06:37] <thirdy> so how bout GNOME?
[06:40] <maxamillion> thirdy: no clue .... haven't used gnome in years
[06:41] <thirdy> is there an install command like
[06:41] <thirdy> sudo apt-get install every_app_in_KDE
[06:41] <thirdy> in xubuntu
[06:42] <thirdy> I only have xubuntu
[06:42] <thirdy> cd
[06:42] <maxamillion> thirdy: there is a a "install every app that comes with kubuntu" command
[06:42] <maxamillion> thirdy: sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[06:43] <thirdy> crimsum: the best apps in the linux world, I hear kubuntu is functional
[06:43] <thirdy> maxamillion: i did that
[06:43] <maxamillion> thirdy: sorry .... sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop  .. will work too, i'm just used to aptitude
[06:43] <thirdy> and I don't have Kdevelop, and that's really annoying
[06:43] <thirdy> not only Kdevelop
[06:44] <thirdy> every app I here that's good in kubuntu
[06:44] <maxamillion> thirdy: oh, yeah ... no clue ... i haven't used kde since 2001
[06:45] <thirdy> maxamillion: I'm planning to reinstall linux, couz I have a serious prob
[06:45] <thirdy> here's my exp
[06:46] <thirdy> xubuntu, is fast, but too less candies
[06:46] <thirdy> and no apps!!!!!
[06:46] <maxamillion> thirdy: no apps?
[06:46] <maxamillion> thirdy: how so?
[06:46] <thirdy> yeah
[06:47] <thirdy> or maybe, I just didn't explore
[06:47] <maxamillion> thirdy: well what all are you looking for?
[06:47] <LastMall> kde-core might be enough
[06:47] <thirdy> The best C/C++ IDE linux can offer
[06:48] <thirdy> My exp here in, install kubuntu-desktop is
[06:48] <maxamillion> thirdy: "the best" is far too opinionated, but i honestly like geany better than kdevelop
[06:48] <thirdy> slow, konqueror is annoying
[06:49] <thirdy> geany? first time I hear that
[06:49] <thirdy> maxamillion, the only IDE i like is Devc++
[06:49] <thirdy> will I love geany?
[06:49] <thirdy> Devpaks, thats all I need
[06:49] <maxamillion> thirdy: you like apt-get, so do "sudo apt-get install build-essential geany" and you will be good to go
[06:50] <thirdy> geany is not included in k/xu/ubuntu right?
[06:50] <maxamillion> thirdy: nope
[06:50] <maxamillion> !info geany
[06:50] <ubotu> geany: A fast and lightweight IDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.10.2-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 1314 kB, installed size 4328 kB
[06:50] <thirdy> anyway I'll just install that after a fresh install
[06:51] <maxamillion> yeah ... nothing in the universe repository is installed by default
[06:51] <maxamillion> ok
[06:51] <thirdy> ok, maybe I'll go with xubuntu
[06:51] <thirdy> at least I won't have to download again
[06:52] <maxamillion> :)
[06:52] <thirdy> but a lot of people say ubuntu and xubuntu are really good
[06:52] <thirdy> maxamillion: I'm really tempted to sacrifice my time to download one of them
[06:53] <thirdy> 4 hours of download, is it worth it?
[06:53] <maxamillion> thirdy: its honestly entirely up to you, i have been a debian+xfce user for years and still run debian on my desktop and xubuntu has won its stop on my laptop
[06:53] <thirdy> Right now I have xubuntu cd, puppy cd, dsl.iso
[06:54] <maxamillion> thirdy: ouch ... yeah, i think its worth it even though the speed is slow
[06:54] <maxamillion> thirdy: then just use xubuntu :)
[06:54] <thirdy> ok here's what I really want
[06:54] <maxamillion> k
[06:55] <thirdy> Super Computer, At least more style than XP, REAL EASY app installs
[06:55] <thirdy> also easy themes
[06:55] <maxamillion> thirdy: xfce themes aren't as easy as gnome's but in my opinion they are easy ... you just have to unarchive them in the correct directory
[06:56] <thirdy> maxamillion: I like xfce because of the drag n drop apps to the next desktop
[06:57] <thirdy> and that's the opposite here in KDE
[06:57] <maxamillion> thirdy: yeah, xfce's window manager dominates
[06:57] <thirdy> Hey, can I ask you a big favor?
[06:58] <thirdy> haha, ok, I'm really getting into xubuntu, I also like the rat
[06:58] <thirdy> =)
[06:59] <maxamillion> what's the favor?
[07:00] <thirdy> can make a complete guide from a fresh xubuntu to your xubuntu
[07:00] <thirdy> *can you make?
[07:00] <thirdy> all the sudo apt-install I'll need
[07:01] <thirdy> I'll need a xubuntu that will play mp3's, dvd's, and others
[07:02] <maxamillion> thirdy: uhmm... "sudo aptitude install vim-gtk vlc geany gftp nvidia-glx build-essential geany irssi sun-java6-jdk" ... i think that's about it
[07:02] <thirdy> haha, nice
[07:03] <thirdy> wats vim-gtk?
[07:03] <maxamillion> thirdy: oh, also add "graveman" into that
[07:03] <maxamillion> thirdy: gvim but without gnome-lib dependencies ... just a gui version of vim
[07:03] <thirdy> how bout the flash player?
[07:04] <maxamillion> thirdy: oh, i download that from within firefox with the auto-tool ... ever since adobe changed the licensing there seems to be issues with updating it from the repositories
[07:04] <thirdy> is vlc the last option? It's not stable for me
[07:04] <maxamillion> really?
[07:04] <maxamillion> then replace vlc with mplayer
[07:04] <d_root> hey all. I'm having troubles installing feisty Xubuntu on my laptop. xserver crashes on the live CD before the desktop loads.
[07:04] <maxamillion> both are capable, i've just been using vlc for so long i am used to it
[07:05] <thirdy> hmmm
[07:05] <thirdy> I love Thunar too, Konqueror take too long to load
[07:06] <thirdy> You might wanna make a webpage for that guide
[07:06] <maxamillion> yeah, thunar dominates
[07:06] <maxamillion> thirdy: i might look into it
[07:06] <thirdy> so newbies are saved
[07:06] <maxamillion> thirdy: never really thought much about it
[07:06] <thirdy> here's my site
[07:06] <thirdy> www.thirdy.co.nr
[07:07] <thirdy> simple thogh
[07:07] <thirdy> though
[07:07] <maxamillion> thirdy: yeah, we are actually working on improving gutsy's documentation
[07:07] <d_root> i'd like to change the driver in xorg.conf, but can't seem to get a command line
[07:07] <maxamillion> thirdy: simple is good
[07:07] <maxamillion> d_root: why not?
[07:08] <AlexC> i can't connect to the internet via my modem
[07:08] <AlexC> i have installed drivers
[07:08] <AlexC> but the networking app is confuzing
[07:08] <d_root> maxamillion: while trying to install from live cd, xserver crashes before the desktop loads, then the system just hangs
[07:08] <maxamillion> AlexC: dial up?
[07:08] <AlexC> and i don't know if i have configured everything right
[07:08] <AlexC> yes
[07:08] <thirdy> maxamillion: here's a suggestion, make it REAL simple and STRAIGHT to the point, I don't like reading that much
[07:09] <thirdy> =)
[07:09] <maxamillion> d_root: ctrl+alt+f1 should bring you to a command line
[07:09] <maxamillion> d_root: if not, then there are bigger problems then the x server
[07:09] <d_root> maxamillion: okay, awesome thanks
[07:09] <maxamillion> thirdy: lol, ok
[07:09] <maxamillion> d_root: no problem
[07:09] <thirdy> maxamillion: one last prob
[07:09] <maxamillion> thirdy: shoot
[07:10] <thirdy> ?
[07:10] <thirdy> I have a new hd
[07:10] <maxamillion> thirdy: what's the "one last prob"?
[07:10] <thirdy> I surely I'll put it on primary slave
[07:11] <thirdy> hmm
[07:12] <thirdy> maybe I'll just make it primary master, then clean my current hd
[07:13] <thirdy> ok, good luck to me
[07:13] <thirdy> thanx for the help
[07:13] <maxamillion> thirdy: anytime, good luck :)
[07:14] <AlexC> maxamillion
[07:16] <maxamillion> AlexC: yes
[07:20] <maxamillion> ?*
[07:23] <AlexC> dial-up on edgy
[07:24] <maxamillion> ouch, yeah ... sorry but i have no clue
[07:24] <AlexC> AlexC>	i can't connect to the internet via my modem
[07:24] <AlexC> 	<AlexC>	i have installed drivers
[07:24] <AlexC> 	<AlexC>	but the networking app is confuzing
[07:24] <AlexC> AlexC>	and i don't know if i have configured everything right
[07:24] <maxamillion> yes, i read
[07:24] <AlexC> okay
[07:24] <maxamillion> sorry :(
[07:24] <AlexC> np
[07:34] <benpicco> Hi, i got a problem: global proxy settings seem not to work
[07:35] <benpicco> I have to enter the proxy configuration for every program connecting to the Internet again - bad, if it doesnt offer such settings (like KGet)...
[07:36] <cellofellow> kget?
[07:36] <cellofellow> why use that?
[07:36] <benpicco> well, what to use than?
[07:37] <cellofellow> Generally wget does it for me.
[07:37] <cellofellow> or Firefox and Download StatusBar.
[07:38] <benpicco> I can open several connections to the server to increase download speed in a network with a shared internet connection?
[07:42] <benpicco> wget can't resolve the hostname, too
[07:42] <cellofellow> :(
[07:42] <cellofellow> Sorry, I have no idea how proxies even work. Always used NAT's here.
[07:48] <benpicco> hey, where did I enter these global proxy settings at all?
[07:48] <cellofellow> somewhere in /etc/ I would think.
[07:50] <benpicco> I thought there was a neat graphical interface..
[07:50] <cellofellow> wouldn't think so. Never saw anything like that.
[07:51] <benpicco> hmm, any ideas which file contains the settings?
[07:52] <cellofellow> nope
[07:52] <cellofellow> !proxy
[07:52] <ubotu> The #ubuntu channel and related channels ban users joining from anonymous gateways like tor/silenceisdefeat/cgi:irc because the abuse:useful ratio is close to infinity:nothing -- project cloaks will let you join, otherwise you should simply not use an anonymizer.
[07:52] <ubotu> Attention tor users.  You may think you are anonymous, but you are not.  Please visit http://tor.unixgu.ru/ and see for yourself.   Please evaluate your need to use tor here on irc.  If you wish anonymity, Freenode offers cloaks of many different types. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[07:52] <cellofellow> oops
[07:52] <benpicco> ok...
[07:52] <cellofellow> not the factoid I wanted.
[07:53] <benpicco> i thought something like that ;)
[07:55] <cellofellow> !find proxy
[07:55] <ubotu> Found: python-egenix-mx-base-dbg, python-egenix-mxproxy, smproxy, anon-proxy, apt-proxy (and 22 others)
[07:55] <cellofellow> bah
[07:56] <benpicco> !network
[07:56] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:56] <benpicco> !net(doesnt)work
[07:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about net(doesnt)work - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:17] <benpicco> still no ideas how to configure a global proxy?
[08:28] <Catoptromancy> well i figured out why my cds dont auto mount
[08:28] <Catoptromancy> they mount to /media/nameofcd
[08:28] <Catoptromancy> instead of /media/cdrom
[08:29] <Catoptromancy> no clue on where to go from there
[09:00] <benpicco> any ideas how to get xubuntu using a proxy?
[09:01] <TheSheep> benpicco: export http_proxy=http://address.to.your.proxy:port
[09:02] <benpicco> I just have to enter this in terminal?
[09:07] <JerryMcFarts_> hello
[09:07] <JerryMcFarts_> where would I get a list of packages that Ubuntu 7.04 installs by default
[09:08] <JerryMcFarts_> I have a couple packages that I find to be questionable on my system, I have not installed them
[09:08] <JerryMcFarts_> webmitm  webspy  exim4
[09:13] <Catoptromancy> !packages
[09:13] <ubotu> You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, "apt-cache search <keywords>", the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu has about 20000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[09:14] <Catoptromancy> Is the default install all you have so far?
[09:18] <JerryMcFarts_> I have had this running for 3 months
[09:18] <JerryMcFarts_> I have installed dsniff
[09:19] <JerryMcFarts_> so maybe that pulled webmitm and webspy no
[09:19] <JerryMcFarts_> on*
[09:19] <JerryMcFarts_> http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/net/dsniff
[09:19] <JerryMcFarts_> yes it did
[09:20] <JerryMcFarts_> thats good to know
[09:25] <Catoptromancy> Alot of packages are automatically added by other programs that need them
[09:26] <LepperMessiah> Having your xubuntu on your primary master will make it faster right?
[09:27] <LepperMessiah> Faster than in Secondary slave?
[09:28] <JerryMcFarts_> technically yes, but you probably wont notice a difference
[09:29] <LepperMessiah> I have 14gb hd on my primary
[09:29] <JerryMcFarts_> and what is on your primary?
[09:29] <LepperMessiah> JerryMcFarts, 40gb on my secondary slave
[09:29] <LepperMessiah> 3partition
[09:29] <LepperMessiah> Xp, xubuntu, and one for my files
[09:29] <LepperMessiah> But I messed up my xubuntu
[09:30] <JerryMcFarts_> gotcha
[09:30] <LepperMessiah> So I want to format it
[09:30] <LepperMessiah> But now I have 3hd's
[09:31] <LepperMessiah> Wat will I install first?
[09:31] <LepperMessiah> JerryMcFarts, Xp or xubuntu?
[09:31] <JerryMcFarts_> you have 3 hard drives?
[09:31] <JerryMcFarts_> or 1 harddrive 3 partitions
[09:32] <LepperMessiah> I have 3 harddrives
[09:32] <LepperMessiah> 80gb, 40gb, and my old 14gb
[09:33] <JerryMcFarts_> I didn't know you wanted to reformat Windows. but if that is the case I would do Windows first
[09:33] <LepperMessiah> I would install Xp on my 14gb
[09:33] <TheSheep> yeah, windows will overwrite whatever system it sees, so it's best to install it first
[09:33] <LepperMessiah> And xubuntu on my 40gb
[09:33] <JerryMcFarts_> Windows rewrites the masterboot record of the harddrive, so if you install linux first
[09:34] <JerryMcFarts_> you would have to go back with a live cd and edit the masterboot record
[09:34] <JerryMcFarts_> and the 80 for data
[09:34] <LepperMessiah> JerryMcFarts, can I install xp on a secondary slave?
[09:34] <LepperMessiah> Yeah, my mp3's
[09:34] <JerryMcFarts_> you can but you will may run into problems
[09:35] <JerryMcFarts_> windows likes to be partition #1
[09:35] <LepperMessiah> Damn xp
[09:35] <JerryMcFarts_> but you can fool XP in Grub/Lilo
[09:35] <JerryMcFarts_> by making it think that it is Partition #1
[09:35] <LepperMessiah> wait
[09:36] <LepperMessiah> I'll just make xp my primary
[09:36] <LepperMessiah> No, I want xubuntu to be my primary
[09:37] <LepperMessiah> Oh I forgot
[09:37] <LepperMessiah> I have separate OS in 2 separate HD
[09:38] <LepperMessiah> Then I'll have to set in the BIOS
[09:38] <LepperMessiah> To switch right?
[09:38] <JerryMcFarts_> umm? switch
[09:38] <JerryMcFarts_> ?
[09:38] <LepperMessiah> Choose OS
[09:39] <LepperMessiah> Will Grub do that for me?
[09:39] <JerryMcFarts_> you can tell bios to choose what hddrive to boot from
[09:39] <LepperMessiah> Yeah, but that's too technical for my mom
[09:39] <JerryMcFarts_> and I would make that your linux hddrive, then you just configure grub to boot linux or Windows
[09:39] <JerryMcFarts_> for the menu
[09:41] <LepperMessiah> Ok so wats my plan
[09:41] <JerryMcFarts_> yea you tell me
[09:42] <LepperMessiah> Install XP in my 14gb(primary master)
[09:42] <JerryMcFarts_> k
[09:42] <LepperMessiah> Then make my 14gb sa primary slave
[09:42] <LepperMessiah> *as
[09:42] <LepperMessiah> then
[09:42] <LepperMessiah> My 40gb to primary master, then install xubuntu
[09:42] <JerryMcFarts_> k
[09:43] <LepperMessiah> Then xubuntu will make things easier now
[09:43] <LepperMessiah> Will my battle plan work?
[09:43] <JerryMcFarts_> To my knowledge it will
[09:43] <JerryMcFarts_> hold on a sec
[09:45] <JerryMcFarts_> title Windows 98
[09:45] <JerryMcFarts_> 	map (hd0,0) (hd0,2)
[09:45] <JerryMcFarts_> 	map (hd0,2) (hd0,0)
[09:45] <JerryMcFarts_> 	rootnoverify (hd0,2)
[09:45] <JerryMcFarts_> 	chainloader +1
[09:45] <JerryMcFarts_> that is an example of maping windows in the grub.conf
[09:45] <JerryMcFarts_> I haven't done this in a while
[09:46] <JerryMcFarts_> but maybe xubuntu install will take care of this for you
[09:46] <JerryMcFarts_> but be aware that windows wont work until you map it correctly
[09:47] <JerryMcFarts_> in your case map (hd0,0) (hd1,0)
[09:47] <JerryMcFarts_> anyways yes that should work
[09:48] <JerryMcFarts_> LepperMessiah, could you email me after you get it done, my logic says it should work, but I have never installed an O/S on the primary slave
[09:49] <St> JerryMcFarts, got dc
[09:49] <St> So will my plan work?
 To my knowledge it will
 hold on a sec
 title Windows 98
  map (hd0,0) (hd0,2)
  map (hd0,2) (hd0,0)
  rootnoverify (hd0,2)
  chainloader +1
 that is an example of maping windows in the grub.conf
 I haven't done this in a while
 but maybe xubuntu install will take care of this for you
 but be aware that windows wont work until you map it correctly
 in your case map (hd0,0) (hd1,0)
 anyways yes that should work
[09:50] <JerryMcFarts_>  could you email me after you get it done, my logic says it should work, but I have never installed an O/S on the primary slave
[09:51] <LepperMessiah_> Ok, I'll disconnect my 80gb firsht
[09:51] <LepperMessiah_> *first
[09:51] <LepperMessiah_> Just to be safe
[09:51] <LepperMessiah_> Is that ok?
[09:52] <LepperMessiah_> Yeah it will, os will just detect it
[09:52] <LepperMessiah_> Ok, good luck to me
[10:10] <xjkx> what CD AUDIO PLAYER i install for gtk?
[10:11] <Catoptromancy> I use Kaffine
[10:11] <xjkx> OMG RUN
[10:11] <Catoptromancy> ?
[10:11] <xjkx> K~ is forbiden by god
[10:12] <Catoptromancy> well it doesnt crash
[10:12] <xjkx> But you are loading a many libraries for one application
[10:12] <xjkx> One single application
[10:12] <Catoptromancy> not really
[10:12] <Catoptromancy> I use ktorrent and k3b
[10:12] <Catoptromancy> and ktouch
[10:13] <Catoptromancy> Kaffiene K3b and ktorrent I think are some of the best
[10:13] <xjkx> And why the hell you chose xubuntu and not kubuntu?
[10:13] <Catoptromancy> well if KDE looks and works exactly like Xfce then probably
[10:13] <Catoptromancy> but this system is already perfecyt
[10:13] <Catoptromancy> a few libs wont hurt
[10:14] <Catoptromancy> have you tried xfmedia?
[10:14] <Catoptromancy> xfmedia!
[10:14] <Catoptromancy> !xfmedia
[10:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xfmedia - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:14] <xjkx> Will do :) but even the ubuntu website recommends you not do that
[10:14] <Catoptromancy> meh
[10:14] <xjkx> that = what you are doing
[10:14] <Catoptromancy> they work better than gtk programs
[10:14] <Catoptromancy> well the ones I tried
[12:15] <lunixman> hello
[12:15] <lunixman> i just switched from ubuntu to xubuntu
[12:15] <lunixman> problem  is
[12:15] <lunixman> when i rebooted
[12:15] <lunixman> the log-in screen was xubuntu
[12:15] <lunixman> but the desktop is still Ubuntu
[12:16] <lunixman> how do i correct his?
[12:16] <lunixman> *this
[12:21] <Merchelo> on the login screen you can set what window manager you want to use, xfce is the one normally used for xubuntu
[12:22] <lunixman> ok thanks
[12:22] <lunixman> it worked beautifully
[12:22] <lunixman> there's a problem though, when i was using Ubuntu, my speakers and headphones emitted a high pitched sound everytime i played videos and audio files
[12:22] <lunixman> this doesnt happen in my XP partition
[12:23] <lunixman> hm
[12:23] <lunixman> crap
[12:23] <lunixman> it's still happening in my xubuntu
[12:23] <Merchelo> open a Terminal, and type alsamixer
[12:24] <lunixman> whats the primary cause of the high pitch sound?
[12:25] <lunixman> should i minimize my volume?
[12:26] <lunixman> hm
[12:26] <lunixman> when i clicked on Front
[12:26] <lunixman> my audio went off
[01:07] <lunixman> why is it that my xubuntu doesnt have the Open Terminal Here option?
[01:07] <lunixman> i just switched from the gnome desktop
[01:07] <lunixman> did it have something to do with it?
[01:12] <Catoptromancy> when right clicking?
[01:13] <Catoptromancy> maybe in desktop settings, behavior
[01:18] <lunixman> ok thanks
[01:18] <Catoptromancy> worked?
[01:20] <lunixman> kinda
[01:20] <lunixman> i also used a command line
[01:26] <lunixman> xubuntu rocks!
[01:26] <lunixman> hehe
[01:26] <lunixman> hella fast
[01:42] <Merchelo> !k3b
[01:42] <ubotu> k3b is a feature-rich and user-friendly burning application for KDE (and, as all KDE applications, works fine on GNOME). For a guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/K3BHowto
[02:02] <thirdy> can I run beryl? 1.1duron, 256mb ram, 128vram
[02:17] <tenzind> hi .. does xubuntu run comfortably on a powerbook g3 with 64mb RAM and 5 gb hard disk?
[02:24] <Merchelo> tenzind: i wouldn't recommend it
[02:24] <Merchelo> !sys
[02:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sys - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:25] <Merchelo> aww
[02:26] <thirdy_> aside from automatix, wat else?
[02:26] <thirdy_> I saw something, 4got the name, but the logo was a dog
[02:34] <thirdy_> !EasyUbuntu
[02:34] <ubotu> easyubuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ - For help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu
[02:39] <tenzind> Merchelo: what would be the minimum memory requirement for xubuntu-6.06.1 on a g3?
[02:39] <Merchelo> 128meg
[02:41] <tenzind> awww.. so its cli forever on my g3 :(
[03:04] <grazie> tenzind: how much memory does your g3 have? xubuntu will run on less than 128m, but it will be slow.
[03:06] <grazie> tenzind: you also use one of the lighter gui's such as fluxbox
[03:06] <grazie> you couild*
[03:12] <thirdy_> http://digg.com/linux_unix/93_of_Linux_users_are_male
[04:03] <thirdy__> can't find the rectangle tool in GIMP!
[04:04] <cristina> hi
[04:04] <thirdy__> hello cristina
[04:04] <cristina> how i can change icons on xubuu?
[04:05] <cristina> i try to extract it on /usr/share/icons but i cant see
[04:05] <cristina> on the list
[04:07] <Merchelo> settings->appearence?
[04:08] <cristina> i have it in italian
[04:08] <cristina> on user interface
[04:08] <cristina> in the list i dont find
[04:19] <thirdy__> is there an app where you could browse themes from the net, then one click "apply theme"?
[04:24] <gnomefreak> thirdy__: gnome-art  is the closest thing
[04:25] <thirdy__> gnomefreak, for gnome?
[04:25] <thirdy__> I'm using xubuntu+xfce
[04:25] <gnomefreak> thirdy__: its gtk
[04:25] <gnomefreak> thirdy__: xfce using gtk
[04:25] <gnomefreak> thirdy__: you have gnome apps and libs installed
[04:26] <gnomefreak> if you didnt you would be using server or kde ;)
[04:26] <thirdy__> sorry, newb here
[04:26] <gnomefreak> its all good :)
[04:26] <thirdy__> no gtk in ALT+F2
[04:27] <thirdy__> so wats gtk?
[04:28] <gnomefreak> gtk are libs there isnt a package
[04:28] <gnomefreak> libgtk<something> would be the main lib
[04:28] <gnomefreak> cant think of name off hand
[04:29] <gnomefreak> thirdy__: those libs give you the windows/boarders/icons and so on
[04:29] <gnomefreak> thirdy__: if you open terminal and type apt-cache show gnome-art  it will list everything it will install (if its not already installed)
[04:30] <gnomefreak> most of it should be already installed
[04:30] <thirdy__> ok, I'll see
[04:30] <thirdy__> is it lib like lib in C?
[04:31] <gnomefreak> lib as in library
[04:31] <gnomefreak> libgtk2.0-0 - The GTK+ graphical user interface library
[04:32] <thirdy__> is there an app where you could browse themes from the net, then one click "apply theme"?
[04:32] <gnomefreak> thirdy__: gnome-art
[04:32] <gnomefreak> install it
[04:32] <gnomefreak> run it from menu
[04:32] <thirdy__> Installed-Size: 200
[04:32] <thirdy__> Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com>
[04:32] <thirdy__> Original-Maintainer: Mohammed Adnne Trojette <adn+deb@diwi.org>
[04:32] <thirdy__> Architecture: all
[04:32] <thirdy__> Version: 0.2-5
[04:32] <thirdy__> Depends: ruby (>= 1.8), ruby (<< 1.9), libglade2-ruby (>= 0.12.0), gnome-splashscreen-manager
[04:32] <thirdy__> Filename: pool/universe/g/gnome-art/gnome-art_0.2-5_all.deb
[04:32] <lunixman> will beryl be able to run properly on my system? its a p3 1 gig 256 mb ram system
[04:32] <thirdy__> Size: 27428
[04:32] <thirdy__> MD5sum: 1feba6e9e13c340c62f4a629f214433f
[04:32] <gnomefreak> thirdy__: stop pasting
[04:32] <thirdy__> SHA1: 6ff0c84df4a52cef263bb41788afb1498f102453
[04:32] <thirdy__> SHA256: 6273ff84e125edfaffd861364ef1499f4a000062c5170791a523c3077d5816b7
[04:32] <thirdy__> Description: install GNOME themes from art.gnome.org
[04:33] <Pumpernickel> ...
[04:33] <gnomefreak> i got him alreadyu
[04:33] <Pumpernickel> I was just going to +q.
[04:33] <Pumpernickel> Anyhoo...
[04:33] <thirdy__> sorry bout dat
[04:33] <Pumpernickel> !paste | thirdy__
[04:33] <ubotu> thirdy__: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:34] <gnomefreak> Pumpernickel: i hate trying to guess when user is done :)
[04:34] <Pumpernickel> gnomefreak: I figure by the time I'm back with coffee, they're done. ^^
[04:34] <gnomefreak> lol
[04:36] <thirdy__> how do I use paste?
[04:37] <thirdy__> oh
[04:38] <thirdy__> ok
[04:45] <asmith42a> Why am I having trouble finding spell check packages?
[04:45] <asmith42a> I would like to install gnome-spell so that I can spell check in Evolution.
[04:46] <asmith42a> Xubuntu seems to be lacking in any spell package.
[04:46] <asmith42a> -in
[04:47] <Jester45> try aspell
[04:49] <thirdy__> I installed that in windows
[04:49] <thirdy__> I think notepad++ demanded that
[04:49] <thirdy__> never really used it
[04:50] <thirdy__> plugin actually
[04:51] <thirdy__> Jester45, wat does tar.bz2 min?
[04:54] <Merchelo> it's a compression
[04:54] <Merchelo> like .zip
[04:58] <thirdy__> hmmm
[04:59] <thirdy__> I'll see wat wiki says
[04:59] <asmith42a> thirdy: aspell isn't listed in Add/Remove. Evolution is a gnome app.
[05:00] <thirdy__> asmith42a, sorry I'm a newbie
[05:00] <thirdy__> I had that problem too
[05:01] <asmith42a> thirdy: No problem. Thank you for wanting to help.
[05:02] <Pumpernickel> Use synaptic.
[05:02] <thirdy__> synaptic loads sloww
[05:02] <Pumpernickel> !info aspell
[05:02] <ubotu> aspell: GNU Aspell spell-checker. In component main, is optional. Version 0.60.4-4 (feisty), package size 124 kB, installed size 1052 kB
[05:03] <Pumpernickel> Then use apt-get or aptitude.
[05:03] <Pumpernickel> !info aspell-en
[05:03] <ubotu> aspell-en: English dictionary for GNU Aspell. In component main, is optional. Version 6.0-0-5.1 (feisty), package size 243 kB, installed size 548 kB
[05:04] <asmith42a> Pumpernickel: I understand that. What I am saying to you is that none of those packages are listed in Fiesty Xubuntu's repositories.
[05:05] <Pumpernickel> Yes they are.  You either have a broken mirror, or a broken sources configuration.
[05:05] <asmith42a> I'm using the default configuration.
[05:06] <Pumpernickel> Or you're looking in the wrong place.
[05:06] <asmith42a> I open Add/Remove, search on 'aspell' under "all available applications" and two packages that USE aspell are found.
[05:07] <asmith42a> Tea and hocr
[05:07] <asmith42a> What mirrors are you using?
[05:08] <Jester45> try running "apt-cache search aspell-en" in a terminal
[05:09] <asmith42a> It lists several dictionaries.
[05:10] <Jester45> does it show aspell-en ?
[05:10] <asmith42a> Yes.
[05:10] <asmith42a> Then it is there, but just not showing up in Add/Remove...?
[05:10] <Jester45> then run "sudo apt-get install aspell-en"
[05:11] <asmith42a> Thank you.
[05:11] <asmith42a> Aspell was already installed.
[05:13] <asmith42a> I still want to spell check in Evolution. From what I've read I need gnome-spell, so I'm apt-getting that.
[05:15] <asmith42a> That did the trick.
[05:15] <asmith42a> Pumpernickel, Jester45: Thank you for your help.
[05:17] <Pumpernickel> np
[05:32] <Deviad> I'm getting this problem when compiling on Xubuntu: checking for C compiler default output file name...
[05:32] <Deviad> configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[05:35] <Pumpernickel> Did you install 'build-essential'?
[05:36] <Deviad> yes
[05:36] <Deviad> :|
[05:36] <Deviad> that's the problem
[05:36] <Deviad> I used apt-get remove --purge gcc
[05:36] <Deviad> and did sudo apt-get auto-remove
[05:37] <Deviad> then I did sudo apt-get install build-essential
[05:37] <Deviad> I missed cc1
[05:37] <Deviad> now it's in place but I keep on having this kind of errors
[05:37] <Deviad> should I reboot?
[05:39] <Pumpernickel> There should be a logfile mentioned in the error message.
[05:39] <Pumpernickel> e.g; check 'filename' for more details.
[05:39] <Pumpernickel> That should have more details about the failed test.
[05:42] <Deviad> http://rafb.net/p/kzmhGb35.html
[05:42] <Deviad> here we go
[05:44] <Pumpernickel> gcc: error trying to exec 'ld': execvp: No such file or directory
[05:44] <Pumpernickel> Line 127
[05:44] <Pumpernickel> There's your problem.
[05:46] <thirdy> is there a one line quick install of java?
[05:47] <thirdy> sudo apt-get install java6.1
[05:47] <thirdy> ?
[05:47] <Jester45> yea, for the sun version run "sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre"
[05:47] <Jester45> replace jre with any other type if you need it
[05:48] <Deviad> Pumpernickel, how do I fix it?
[05:48] <Pumpernickel> Deviad: It looks like you're missing binutils, although that should've come with build-essential.
[05:50] <thirdy> sun-java6-jre is already the newest version.
[05:50] <thirdy> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 34 not upgraded.
[05:50] <thirdy> thirdy@thirdy-desktop:~$
[05:50] <thirdy> but java website says
[05:50] <thirdy> Oops! You don't have the recommended Java installed.
[05:50] <thirdy> Your Java version is 1.6.0. Please click the button below to get the recommended Java for your computer.
[05:51] <Jester45> do you need the sdk?
[05:52] <thirdy> nope
[05:53] <Jester45> i wonder if there is a plugin for firefox needed
[05:53] <thirdy> damn java, I wish they had a .deb install
[05:54] <thirdy> This is getting reaL annoying
[05:55] <Jester45> when will developers notice that deb are popular along with prm
[05:55] <thirdy> Why not include in the distro
[05:56] <thirdy> One big mistake in Linux
[05:56] <thirdy> NO xp imigrant support!
[05:57] <thirdy> synaptic shows so many download
[05:58] <Pumpernickel> !info sun-java6-plugin
[05:58] <ubotu> sun-java6-plugin: The Java(TM) Plug-in, Java SE 6. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 6-00-2ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 1 kB, installed size 72 kB
[05:59] <Pumpernickel> There ya go.
[05:59] <thirdy> it's in ubuntu?
[05:59] <thirdy> not xubuntu?
[06:00] <thirdy> I wished I downloaded ubuntu, instead of xubuntu
[06:01] <thirdy> I wish there's a distro named linux offline
[06:02] <Jester45> its the same thing thirdy xubuntu is ubuntu but it uses xfce not gnome
[06:03] <thirdy> oh, optional
[06:03] <thirdy> misread that one
[06:04] <Jester45> and i think there is java support out-of-the-box but its not sun's java becuase you have to agree to sun's lineses
[06:04] <thirdy> Jester45, but wats the good reason for making it OPTIONALLLL
[06:04] <Jester45> becuase IT IS OPTIONAL
[06:04] <thirdy> hmmm
[06:05] <Jester45> i dont have it installed on my server and it works fine... so its optional
[06:05] <thirdy> I have to agree wd dat
[06:05] <Jester45> just like flash and mp3 support you dont have to have them
[06:05] <Jester45> allmost every thing is optional to a degree after a new install i remove a lot of package from the main catagory becuase i dont use them
[06:05] <thirdy> automatix took care of that for me
[06:08] <Jester45> !automatix
[06:08] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[06:08] <Jester45> be carefull as that seem to break things
[06:09] <thirdy> yeah
[06:09] <thirdy> there's something wrong now
[06:09] <Jester45> you can get distros that have sun-java and flash installed by defualt but thats not the *buntu way
[06:09] <thirdy> How do I mount my hd's?
[06:09] <Jester45> "man mount"
[06:10] <TheSheep> !mount | thirdy
[06:10] <ubotu> thirdy: Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[06:10] <Jester45> TheSheep: i dont know if you read it before but i got mpd working
[06:11] <Jester45> i tried --create-db over and over again then it just worked
[06:13] <thirdy> ubotu: how bout feisty?
[06:13] <thirdy> Jester45, wats mpd
[06:13] <thirdy> ?
[06:13] <Jester45> music playing daemon
[06:16] <thirdy> Jester45, still can't mount my hd's
[06:16] <thirdy> !DiskMounter
[06:16] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[06:16] <Jester45> you might be wanting
[06:16] <Jester45> !fstab
[06:16] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[06:24] <thirdy> Jester45, how do I kill synaptic manager?
[06:24] <thirdy> It's taking way2 too long
[06:25] <thirdy> Oh
[06:26] <thirdy> I had to click detail
[06:26] <thirdy> s
[06:26] <thirdy> It was waiting for prompt
[06:27] <thirdy> DAmn, still no java applet
[06:28] <thirdy> Jester45, ok how do I install the sdk?
[06:32] <thirdy> now I have java 1.4.2
[06:32] <thirdy> an old one, thanx to synaptics COMPLETE apps
[06:39] <Jester45> for the 1.6 sdk run "sudo apt-get install sun-java6-sdk"
[06:40] <radioaktivstorm> hello, does anyone know why my icons fail to appear in such programs as rhythmbox and ooffice under Xubuntu?
[06:42] <Jester45> thirdy: for the 1.6 sdk run "sudo apt-get install sun-java6-sdk"
[06:43] <thirdy> ok good thing there uninstall in automatix
[06:43] <thirdy> Jester, how do I remove first the one's I installed
[06:43] <thirdy> java I min
[06:43] <Jester45> what ones did you install
[06:47] <thirdy> that
[06:47] <thirdy> a big prob
[06:48] <thirdy> I installed Debian Menu
[06:48] <thirdy> through Automatix2
[06:48] <thirdy> how can I run Debian Menu?
[06:48] <Jester45> not sure
[06:48] <thirdy> Why can't it just show a shortcut
[06:49] <Jester45> becuase your desktop would be overflowing with shortcuts
[06:51] <thirdy> any apps where you can see every installed app?
[06:52] <thirdy> mybe debian menu is for debian
[06:53] <thirdy> this is like, another application incompatibility within linux
[06:58] <TheSheep> thirdy: dpkg -l
[06:58] <TheSheep> thirdy: will list you all installed packages
[06:59] <Ramla> you can get a list of all available commands by hitting tab in console a few times
[07:00] <thirdy>  j2re1.4        1.4.2.02-1ubun Blackdown Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, St
[07:00] <thirdy> ii  j2re1.4-mozill 0ubuntu6       Java plugin for firefox
[07:00] <thirdy> ii  java-common    0.25ubuntu2    Base of all Java packages
[07:00] <thirdy> how do I remove those?
[07:02] <thirdy> hmm, infinite list
[07:04] <TheSheep> thirdy: that's why they are not put on the desktop as icons :)
[07:04] <TheSheep> thirdy: apt-get remove <name>
[07:06] <cellofellow> I know that there is an fdisk command to rearrange the partition numbers, but I can't remember what it is. Right now I have hda1, then hda4, then hda3. A little confusing.
[07:08] <TheSheep> cellofellow: m will show you help
[07:08] <cellofellow> I know now. I found it. :)
[07:08] <cellofellow> didn
[07:08] <cellofellow> t work though
[07:08] <TheSheep> xf
[07:10] <cellofellow> I don't know why it didn't work. I've done this before.
[07:15] <cellofellow> juggling with cfdisk worked. Now to reboot and see if everything worked.
[07:20] <thirdy> why won't copy paste work in Thunar?
[07:22] <thirdy> now I can't find a way do move a theme folder
[07:23] <thirdy> I can't move it!
[07:23] <thirdy> help
[07:23] <thirdy> please?
[07:24] <BFTD> thirdy its to injtensive on the CPU :P
[07:24] <BFTD> intensive
[07:25] <thirdy> I don't think so
[07:25] <BFTD> I know
[07:25] <BFTD> I was jsut kidding
[07:25] <BFTD> just
[07:26] <radioaktivstorm> thirdy, not sure why copy paste wont work, but i bet you could try cp from the terminal.
[07:26] <thirdy> ok how?
[07:26] <thirdy> I'd like to learn terminal
[07:26] <Merchelo> !cli
[07:26] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[07:26] <thirdy> for me it's MORE COnvinient
[07:27] <thirdy> !cp
[07:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:27] <Merchelo> cp is copy and paste
[07:27] <radioaktivstorm> lol umm if i remember right, its like cp [source]  [destination] 
[07:28] <Jester45> you are right
[07:28] <thirdy> dats long
[07:28] <radioaktivstorm> on that note, has anyone encountered the icon glitch that im having? my icons in some programs are missing and it instead shows text.....
[07:29] <Jester45> radioaktivstorm:  nope, maybe your missing the icons. but i wouldnt know where to look
[07:30] <radioaktivstorm> Jester45, im using the tango iconset, it works in ubuntu proper, but for some reason, my icons disappeared in in some apps under xubuntu
[07:31] <radioaktivstorm> which sucks a lot because i absolutely love the feel of xubuntu T_T
[07:32] <Jester45> hey cellofellow long time no see
[07:32] <cellofellow> hello
[07:32] <cellofellow> !uuid
[07:32] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[07:33] <cellofellow> hmmm
[07:35] <cellofellow> rothchild: as in Winston Rothchild on The Red Green Show?
[07:35] <rothchild> sorry no, I don't even know that show! :-)
[07:35] <cellofellow> ok
[07:36] <rothchild> can anyone tell me how to hide system icons from the desktop but still be able to see files I've put there?
[07:37] <Jester45> rothchild: like the filesystem ans home icons?
[07:38] <rothchild> jester45 yes those ones
[07:38] <cellofellow> go into the Behavior tab in the Desktop Settings dialog.
[07:38] <rothchild> I can't see a suitable setting in the behavior tab
[07:38] <rothchild> sorry ok I'm there
[07:39] <cellofellow> bunch of checkboxes near the bottom.
[07:39] <Jester45> uncheck them and i think you need to restart xfce
[07:39] <cellofellow> just xfdesktop
[07:39] <rothchild> desktop items only offers none. minimised applications or file / launcher icons (they were unchecked already)
[07:39] <godless> those checkboxes have never had any effect one way or the other for me
[07:40] <godless> I have to edit xfdesktop
[07:40] <cellofellow> hmm
[07:40] <rothchild> if I set it to none I can use the check boxes to turn the icons back on but then I'm missing my files
[07:40] <rothchild> and I want it the other way round
[07:41] <cellofellow> You actually store files on the Desktop?
[07:41] <rothchild> not for storage but just things I'm not gonna keep
[07:41] <rothchild> helps me keep things tidy
[07:41] <Jester45> like tmp downloads
[07:42] <rothchild> exactly
[07:42] <cellofellow> only thing I can see that will do what you want is the checkboxes, but they don't seem to work.
[07:43] <godless> rothchild:  Can you see the files on your desktop now?
[07:43] <godless> you just want to get rid of the launcher icons?
[07:44] <rothchild> hold up I think it's done it now
[07:44] <cellofellow> unchecking those checkboxes and then restarting xfdesktop worked here. Only my files in ~/Desktop show now.
[07:44] <rothchild> thanks all, it just wasn't immediate
[07:44] <godless> you can edit ~/.config/xfce4/desktop/xfdesktoprc as you please..
[07:45] <godless> but you seem to have it sorted so no worries :)
[07:45] <rothchild> just being impatient, thanks for the help
[07:45] <radioaktivstorm> thirdy, did the cp work for you
[07:46] <thirdy> nope
[07:46] <cellofellow> what's up?
[07:47] <thirdy> I installed
[07:47] <thirdy> krusader
[07:47] <cellofellow> when I copy huge amounts of stuff, I use cp -a. Did it like five times today.
[07:50] <thirdy> radioaktivstorm, now I have prob with write permission
[07:50] <thirdy> how do solve that once and for all?
[07:51] <thirdy> how do I tell xubuntu that I am the OWNER of this Computer
[07:51] <radioaktivstorm> thirdy... check your ownership
[07:51] <thirdy> how?
[07:52] <radioaktivstorm> i think if you want to change ownership, you can do it graphically by opening thunar under root
[07:52] <radioaktivstorm> like sudo thunar
[07:52] <radioaktivstorm> then go to the file and change the ownership under the properties
[07:52] <radioaktivstorm> or you could just use the chown command
[07:53] <radioaktivstorm> if youre trying to do it for a lot of files i think you use the recursive flag, something like -r ? dont remember; ill look it up
[07:54] <thirdy> Finally after a long2 dark night
[07:55] <thirdy> chown command?
[07:55] <radioaktivstorm> oh did you get it?
[07:55] <thirdy> sudo krusader
[07:55] <cellofellow> -R I think
[07:55] <thirdy> krusader, that's I'm talking about perfect
[07:55] <radioaktivstorm> thanks, cellofellow ^_^ i think youre right
[07:57] <radioaktivstorm> kde apps are usually really nice :P im not a fan of the loaded context menus though.
[07:57] <cellofellow> KDE is too messy, GNOME to sparse and slow.
[07:57] <cellofellow> Xubuntu fast.
[07:57] <cellofellow> XFCE rather
[07:58] <thirdy> Finally, I've managed to install a theme
[07:58] <thirdy> haha
[07:58] <radioaktivstorm> ^^ i love xfce
[07:58] <thirdy> 3hrs
[07:58] <radioaktivstorm> which desktop environment were you installing for?
[07:58] <thirdy> xfce
[07:59] <cellofellow> I don't know of bundled themes for xfce. I have my own "theme" pieced together with XFWM themes, GTK themes, and desktop wallpapers.
[07:59] <thirdy> is there a search the net theme for xfce, then 1 click "apply theme"
[07:59] <cellofellow> I don't think so.
[07:59] <rothchild> ww.xfce-look.org
[08:00] <rothchild> not one click
[08:00] <cellofellow> that's where I get all my goods.
[08:00] <cellofellow> :)
[08:00] <radioaktivstorm> ah....i use the gnome-theme-manager, drag and drop. then open the one for xfce and it appears there. if by theme you mean the GTK part
[08:00] <cellofellow> I just use GTK-Theme-Switch and the XFCE User Interface dialog.
[08:00] <thirdy> ok, how do I install gnome-theme-manager?
[08:01] <radioaktivstorm> i would assume you could get it with aptitude
[08:02] <thirdy> yeah, wats the syntax?
[08:02] <ablomen> ola
[08:02] <radioaktivstorm> sudo aptitude install gnome-theme-manager
[08:02] <radioaktivstorm> you could also try the gtk theme switch
[08:03] <radioaktivstorm> ive never used it before, so cellofellow might be of more use to you on this option
[08:03] <radioaktivstorm> i have ubuntu proper and xubuntu, so it comes with the package (excuse the pun).
[08:04] <thirdy> t
[08:04] <cellofellow> gtk-theme-switch writes .gtkrc-2.0 files, not setting the DE's GTK settings.
[08:04] <cellofellow> which makes it DE agnostic, but the DE settings override.
[08:05] <thirdy> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "gnome-theme-manager
[08:05] <ablomen> anybody here had any trouble with f-spot locking up the system while trying to get photos from a camera?
[08:05] <cellofellow> anything that is written in Mono is likely to lock up sometimes.
[08:05] <ablomen> (cam is canon eos d400)
[08:05] <ablomen> lol true
[08:07] <cellofellow> F-Spot uses gphoto right?
[08:07] <cellofellow> maybe try gtkam
[08:07] <radioaktivstorm> thirdy, prolly try gtk-theme-switch? ive never used it but it sound pretty useful
[08:07] <ablomen> ill try that, thanks :) or gthumb
[08:07] <cellofellow> !gtk-theme-switch
[08:08] <cellofellow> !info gtk-theme-switch
[08:08] <ubotu> gtk-theme-switch: GTK+ theme switching utility. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0.4 (feisty), package size 27 kB, installed size 144 kB
[08:09] <radioaktivstorm> oo, its small! i love small
[08:09] <cellofellow> teeny
[08:09] <ablomen> yay gthumb works :)
[08:10] <thirdy> how do I write scripts for xubuntu?
[08:10] <thirdy> wat language?
[08:10] <thirdy> phyton?
[08:10] <cellofellow> python, perl, bash, php, they all work
[08:10] <cellofellow> Python is good.
[08:10] <cellofellow> I have some Bash+zenity stuff I've written.
[08:10] <thirdy> wats the easiest? I know C
[08:11] <cellofellow> That's not scripts though, is it?
[08:11] <cellofellow> Python is nice. I haven't tried Perl or PHP.
[08:11] <ablomen> php works good too
[08:11] <thirdy> yeah that's wat I read too
[08:12] <thirdy> you can run php like .exe here in xubuntu?
[08:12] <ablomen> php ./script.php
[08:12] <radioaktivstorm> serious? thats awesome! did not know that.
[08:13] <ablomen> have a irc bot in php, so thats the proof :)
[08:14] <cellofellow> PHP even has GTK bindings.
[08:15] <radioaktivstorm> looks like i now have a lot of fun stuff i can play around with this summer :P
[08:16] <cellofellow> why do people always associate PHP with Apache and web stuff?
[08:16] <cellofellow> (although, that's all I have running on it)
[08:16] <ablomen> cellofellow, becouse its the most used way of using php :)
[08:17] <cellofellow> yeah
[08:19] <darrend_> any recommendations for something to play .AVI files?  (I tried avifile-player, it borked)
[08:19] <cellofellow> VLC, Mplayer.
[08:19] <ablomen> mplayer, totem etc
[08:20] <radioaktivstorm> lol, sorry, i havent much experience with languages outside of C++ and JavaScript....and spanish.
[08:24] <darrend> hmm.. totem won't even startup properly
[08:24] <cellofellow> VLC always works. (Except for some QT .mov files.)
[08:25] <darrend> ok, I'll try that..
[08:25] <thirdy> guys check this out
[08:25] <radioaktivstorm> what is the most effective media player for organizing a library with good ipod support (first generation shuffle) ive tried exaile, rhythmbox, and banshee.
[08:26] <thirdy> ctrl+v doesn't work
[08:26] <cellofellow> gpod maybe
[08:26] <cellofellow> no, wait
[08:26] <cellofellow> what about BMPx?
[08:26] <thirdy> http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2007/03/20/48-firefox-extensions-that-might-just-be-useful-to-you/
[08:26] <cellofellow> !find bmp
[08:26] <ubotu> Found: libmpcdec-dev, libmpcdec3, libmpfr-dev, libmpfr1, netpbm (and 34 others)
[08:26] <cellofellow> !bmpx
[08:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bmpx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:27] <cellofellow> bah
[08:27] <cellofellow> !beep-media-player2
[08:27] <darrend> grr.. totem plays the image without the sound.  Which is the opposite of what avifile-player did
[08:27] <darrend> maybe I could play the same file in both at the same time :)
[08:27] <ablomen> lol
[08:28] <ablomen> darrend, you installed all the gstreamer plugins (ffmpeg/good/bad/ugly) ?
[08:28] <darrend> (oops, not totem, VLC)
[08:28] <darrend> totem failed to run at all
[08:28] <ablomen> ah
[08:28] <ablomen> weird...
[08:28] <ablomen> they all work nice here
[08:29] <ablomen> well try mplayer then ;)
[08:29] <cellofellow> trouble with AVI is that it is a container like Ogg, and can have lots of codecs inside. Usually it's various MPEG streams like MP3 audio.
[08:30] <rothchild> radioaktivestorm amarok works well with ipod
[08:31] <darrend> cellofellow: right.. well VLC also crashes after playing a movie.  still better than totem which crashes before doing anything and the other one that plays sound but no vid.  Trying mplayer now *sigh*
[08:31] <cellofellow> mplayer plays ANYTHING. 'cept DVD menus (out of the box)
[08:32] <radioaktivstorm> rothchild: ok. ill check that out; is it lightweight?
[08:32] <rothchild> I don't know
[08:32] <rothchild> !amarok
[08:32] <ubotu> Amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.3 for Dapper and 1.4.5 for Edgy and packages are  available for Kubuntu at www.kubuntu.org See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Amarok
[08:33] <rothchild> doesn't look it i think its about 35meg
[08:33] <darrend> cellofellow: mplayer failed
[08:34] <cellofellow> AmaroK is massive.
[08:34] <Jester45>  you might have to install w32codecs for mplayer
[08:34] <cellofellow> I say dissect that AVI and see what sort of streams are in it.
[08:34] <Jester45> mplayer will tell you when you try to play it
[08:34] <radioaktivstorm> cellofellow, BMPx looks awesome
[08:35] <radioaktivstorm> i think ill try it
[08:37] <thirdy> how do I do transparency
[08:37] <thirdy> like the one in wikipedia?
[08:38] <ablomen> thirdy settings > settings manager > window manager tweaks
[08:38] <thirdy> nice
[08:38] <thirdy> activate focus stealing
[08:38] <Jester45> yuck, that transperancy is slow
[08:39] <rothchild> i get: These settings cannot work with your current window manager (unknown)
[08:39] <thirdy> nice
[08:39] <radioaktivstorm> lol, i like the shadows, but yeah i must say, im a fan of the fast ^^ its fun to use it to wow XP users though :P
[08:40] <rothchild> when i try the window manager
[08:40] <thirdy> streamtuner stoppped when I changed though
[08:40] <thirdy> is dat a bug?
[08:41] <radioaktivstorm> hmm....maybe? try restarting the app? i sometimes get funny thing s when i turn on compiz on ubuntu.
[08:42] <thirdy> can I have compiz or beryl?
[08:43] <thirdy> 1.1duron, 256ram, 128vram
[08:43] <thirdy> nice, xubuntu can now eat vista
[08:44] <thirdy> wat's the rat's name?
[08:45] <ablomen> xux? dunno
[08:45] <thirdy> haha
[08:45] <thirdy> radioaktivestorm, can I have beryl or compiz?
[08:46] <thirdy> I min, can I run it?
[08:46] <radioaktivstorm> umm beryl will probably not like your computer. compiz, i dunno, im not horribly versed in the hardware requirements.
[08:47] <thirdy> hhmm
[08:47] <ablomen> well it may, if you set the settings low
[08:47] <ablomen> friend of mine runs it with a lot less
[08:47] <thirdy> ow
[08:47] <thirdy> so how do I get it?>
[08:48] <ablomen> (pIII, 265mb ram and a geforce 3 tnt 2)
[08:48] <thirdy> sudo aptitude install compiz?
[08:48] <ablomen> thirdy, http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Main_Page
[08:48] <ablomen> your video card has to have 3d accel though
[08:49] <cellofellow> for most stuff, you'll need xserver-xgl too.
[08:49] <cellofellow> unless you have a really new nVidia card and the 9xxxx drivers.
[08:49] <rothchild> beryl runs well on intel 915 using i810 driver on my laptop
[08:52] <thirdy> cellofellow, ok installing xgl
[08:52] <ablomen> thirdy, what is your gfx card? (lspci)
[08:53] <thirdy> ablomen: geforce ?
[08:53] <thirdy> 128mb
[08:53] <radioaktivstorm> looks like its the gnome/ubuntu default applications that dont have icons! gedit, ooffice, rhythmbox etc. funky. anyone ever run into that?
[08:53] <ablomen> hehe there are a lot of geforce's
[08:54] <ablomen> could you copy the results of lspci | grep VGA ?
[08:54] <thirdy> I think there's command to show my specs
[08:54] <cellofellow> radioaktivstorm: what iconset you using?
[08:54] <radioaktivstorm> cellofellow: tango
[08:55] <radioaktivstorm> just the plain vanilla tango that sets up default with xubuntu.
[08:55] <thirdy> thirdy@thirdy-desktop:~$ lspci | grep VGA
[08:55] <thirdy> 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 4000 AGP 8x]  (rev c1)
[08:55] <cellofellow> that should have some icons for that stuff, even if it's just generic icons. The iconsets icons take precedence over the programs icons.
[08:55] <ablomen> ok yeah that wont run without xgl :)
[08:55] <cellofellow> I'm using Sun's Nimbus and Blueprint icons.
[08:55] <thirdy> ablomen, I used automatix2 to install drivers
[08:55] <ablomen> and nvidia-glx-legacy is needed too
[08:56] <ablomen> yug automatix :(
[08:56] <cellofellow> I have a RIVA TNT2 and I tried XGL. Not good.
[08:56] <cellofellow> Beryl just died on me.
[08:56] <ablomen> cellofellow, you did install the legacy drivers?
[08:56] <cellofellow> Yes
[08:56] <ablomen> hmm ok
[08:56] <cellofellow> It's always on my "after installation todo list".
[08:56] <ablomen> could be just to old
[08:57] <cellofellow> XGL actually ran, it was just a little too slow. I didn't like how everything had to be rendered twice.
[08:57] <thirdy> ok so how can I test xgl?
[08:57] <cellofellow> run it?
[08:57] <cellofellow> !xgl
[08:57] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[08:57] <ablomen> cellofellow, yeah xgl is quite nasty
[08:57] <thirdy> I can't
[08:58] <ablomen> damn via
[08:59] <thirdy> ALT+F2 xgl
[08:59] <cellofellow> some VIA GPU's can do half-decent 3D. Enough for like FrozenBubble.
[08:59] <ablomen> cellofellow, well xmoto doesnt even run here
[08:59] <thirdy> sudo apt-get install xserver-xgl
[08:59] <thirdy> that's wat I did
[09:00] <cellofellow> read the HowTo in the factoid above. ^^^^
[09:01] <frojnd> hello there
[09:01] <cellofellow> hi
[09:01] <ablomen> hi frojnd
[09:01] <frojnd> what's the default editor for text in xubuntu?
[09:01] <frojnd> like kate in kubuntu
[09:01] <cellofellow> Mousepad.
[09:01] <cellofellow> Nano or Vi for CLI.
[09:02] <ablomen> heh
[09:02] <Jester45> frojnd: youcan use kate in xubuntu but you will lose some of xubuntu's speed
[09:02] <cellofellow> scite rocks
[09:02] <cellofellow> or gvim
[09:03] <ablomen> cellofellow, oeh gtk1 :/
[09:03] <ablomen> (scite)
[09:04] <ablomen> at least, that's what the screenshot shows ;)
[09:04] <cellofellow> warning: mousepad is NOT a power editor like kate. It's more like Notepad.
[09:05] <cellofellow> scite is gtk2
[09:05] <ablomen> ah :)
[09:05] <ablomen> they need a new screenshot then :)
[09:05] <cellofellow> and lots of editors are Scintilla based. Dr. Python, Eric, Notepad++ (for windows).
[09:05] <cellofellow> SciTE == Scintilla Text Editor.
[09:05] <radioaktivstorm> cellofellow: http://server6.pictiger.com/img/233030/picture-hosting/no-icons%21%21-eek.php
[09:06] <radioaktivstorm> or oops http://server6.pictiger.com/img/233030/picture-hosting/no-icons%21%21-eek.png i guess either one works
[09:07] <radioaktivstorm> i mean...not that i use gedit a lot or anything, but its a bit unsettling to have icons missing from applications X_X
[09:08] <cellofellow> radioaktivstorm: I know what it is. You've got your more advanced settings set for Text Only instead of Icons. Try the User Interface settings dialog.
[09:08] <cellofellow> see Toolbar Style
[09:09] <ablomen> looks kinda nice btw, no icons ;)
[09:09] <radioaktivstorm> hah! brilliant!! now i know where it came from! thanks a million :D. must have brushed it when i was tweaking.
[09:10] <cellofellow> :D
[09:10] <radioaktivstorm> ...and now that i know i turn it off....i might just leave it :P i thought something broke
[09:11] <radioaktivstorm> ...maybe not. who knows
[09:11] <markku> you
[09:12] <markku> cc lol
[09:12] <markku> wrong channel ^
[09:12] <markku> btw
[09:12] <markku> I'm having problems with Wine
[09:16] <markku> I don't know how to run .exe files with it or install .exe files :/
[09:16] <cellofellow> wine thefile.exe
[09:16] <markku> in terminal?
[09:16] <ablomen> yup
[09:17] <markku> Wine: Could not load L "c:\\windows\\system32\\thefile.exe": Module not found
[09:18] <markku> any ideas?
[09:19] <thirdy> how to I restart xorg?
[09:19] <cjae> ok assuming that all cables and router and modem working correctly why won't ethernet catch an ip?
[09:20] <cjae> ethernet card ruined
[09:20] <radioaktivstorm> erm i think ctrl alt backspace does the trick thirdy
[09:20] <cellofellow> thirdy: logout, and then ctrl+alt+bksp
[09:20] <cellofellow> cjae: using DHCP?
[09:20] <cjae> cellofellow, yes
[09:21] <cellofellow> how about trying a static ip?
[09:21] <cjae> did the whole /etc/init.d/networking restart fails
[09:21] <cjae> $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
[09:21] <cellofellow> is there anything in dmesg?
[09:22] <cjae> also the module is in the list e100 so it loaded
[09:22] <cjae> and ifconfig up fails
[09:23] <cjae> but the device has a vaild mac address and in lspci
[09:23] <cellofellow> if dhcp isn't working, does a normal IP work?
[09:23] <cjae> cellofellow, ??
[09:23] <markku> hmm
[09:24] <markku> somebody needs help with ethernet setup?
[09:24] <cellofellow> you can set a static IP address, instead of using the automatic DHCP.
[09:24] <cjae> throught ISP
[09:24] <cjae> -r
[09:24] <markku> cello
[09:24] <cellofellow> no router?
[09:24] <markku> you need password and username for internet access?
[09:25] <cjae> router is working fine I am talking thought it right now
[09:25] <markku> and you have cable or adsl modem
[09:25] <cjae> adsl
[09:25] <cellofellow> ok, I'm not going to be able to help
[09:25] <cjae> and no
[09:25] <markku> open terminal
[09:25] <cjae> yep
[09:25] <markku> sudo pppoeconf
[09:25] <markku> then hit all yes :)
[09:25] <markku> and write username and password corretly
[09:26] <markku> should work fine then
[09:26] <cjae> sorry just once second anything I should looking for in particular in dmesg like to grep
[09:26] <markku> question in pppoeconf?
[09:27] <cjae> I don't think I use pppoe
[09:27] <markku> hmm
[09:27] <markku> tell me whatkind internet access you need then
[09:27] <cjae> not in europe
[09:28] <markku> hmm
[09:28] <markku> i odn't know outside europe connection settings :/
[09:28] <markku> dont*
[09:28] <cjae> I am not sure but I don't remeber having pppoe
[09:28] <markku> you have used windows before?
[09:29] <cjae> yes unfortunately
[09:29] <markku> how did you install internet connection in there
[09:29] <markku> manual?
[09:33] <cjae> xp does a lot for you I just have to set to auto dhcp
[09:33] <markku> aa
[09:33] <cjae> ??
[09:33] <markku> its not pppoe thing then
[09:33] <markku> hmm
[09:33] <markku> well it is hard for me to tell how to get it work because i'm cable modem user with username and password (pppoe)
[09:33] <cjae> when I type pppoe at terminal it asks to install it from apt-get
[09:33] <cellofellow> auto DHCP works if you have a good DHCP server. Is your router handling that?
[09:33] <cjae> so I don't believe I use it
[09:33] <markku> hmm
[09:33] <markku> Kubuntu and Ubuntu default internet connection is auto DCHP connection
[09:33] <markku> dunno about xubuntu
[09:33] <markku> i'm trying to get wine work
[09:33] <cjae> I had a problem similar to this with the machine I had to replace the eth card cause onboard failed
[09:33] <markku> well i just busted my better computer bios unrepairable ;)
[09:33] <cjae> but it had win on it before so I could not determine exactly the problem
[09:33] <markku> so have to get new motherboard :P
[09:34] <markku> well prolly it is better someone else help you with this matter
[09:34] <markku> i'm handless with DHCP
[09:34] <Pumpernickel> Most decent motherboards have a backup BIOS stored in rom.  The manual should tell you how to restore from that.
[09:35] <markku> well
[09:35] <markku> it is hard to get backup from any where
[09:36] <cjae> anyone else ????????????
[09:36] <markku> i mean it shut downs itself after 5 seconds and reruns itself and shutdowns itself again after 5 seconds... this happens about 10 times after that it just keeps running and makes error piip
[09:37] <cjae> well it doesn't woek in windows anymore either
[09:37] <markku> and my user manual... no idea where it is anymore lol
[09:38] <markku> well
[09:38] <markku> actually i don't know anymore which cable goes where on my motherboard
[09:38] <markku> i took it off from tower
[09:46] <thirdy> !beryl
[09:46] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[10:34] <thirdy> is there any command to restore?
[10:34] <thirdy> like system restore in xp?
[11:34] <cjae> have to replace on board ethernet with pci nic I have a realtek rtl8139D 10/100 or a SMCen5030c 10/100 which one should I use??
[11:53] <Pumpernickel> Try the Realtek one first.  They have pretty much universal support.
[11:53] <cjae> is smc supported by the kernel well??
[11:53] <Pumpernickel> Most ethernet cards are, but I have no experience with smc.
[11:53] <cjae> I think the realtek gave me porblems too but can't remember too long ago
[11:53] <cjae> is there a generic driver/module??
[11:53] <Pumpernickel> Not for ethernet cards, no.
[11:53] <cjae> ok thanks
[11:53] <Jester45> anyone have a suggestion for a lightweight 3d modeler that is VERY simple blender works well but i cant use it to good... and im not gonna be using it for to much of detailed work