[01:00] <aze> hi all
[01:18] <moquist> highvoltage: I just figured out that you mean ubiquity has *no* unattended feature right now, and I should hack the python to decide which questions to ask.
[01:19] <Burgundavia> moquist: you should use the unattended stuff in d-i for productoin installations
[01:19] <moquist> kickstart is really easy, but not very powerful.
[01:19] <moquist> At least, it's totally non-obvious to me how to make it just use the first hdd, whether that's hda or sda
[01:20] <Burgundavia> heh
[01:20] <moquist> Stuff like that. And when it doesn't like something, it wants to reboot instead of just back up and try again.
[01:20] <moquist> Burgundavia: can you give me more than 'd-i' for my google query? :)
[01:20] <Burgundavia> preseeding
[01:21] <moquist> last time I looked into preseeding I found nothing at all obvious about what I should *do*.
[01:22] <moquist> ah! https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/i386/appendix-preseed.html
[07:35] <highvoltage> moquist: yes, that's what I meant :)
[07:50] <moquist> highvoltage: you could send me what you've got since it sounds a lot like what I'm looking for. :)
[07:51] <jsgotangco> hey mr. highvoltage, mr. moquist
[07:51] <moquist> highvoltage: I've started playing with preseeding, but the kernel param I passed didn't seem to be taken into consideration by the installer.
[07:51] <moquist> jsgotangco: hey mr. jsgotangco :)
[07:55] <highvoltage> hey jsgotangco
[07:55] <highvoltage> moquist: the pre-seeding is currently only supported in d-i
[07:55] <highvoltage> moquist: ubiquity has some /very/ partial support for pre-seeding, it's something that it will only fully support some time in the feature
[07:56] <jsgotangco> man 3 laptops in front of me can be *hot*
[07:57] <highvoltage> geez. I only have 2 laptops and 3 PC's atm. (well, I am still in my bedroom, so that's probably fine)
[07:57] <jsgotangco> lol but having a 31C room temperature?
[09:05] <RichEd> cliebow: ping ... you there ?
[09:06] <pygi> morning RichEd
[12:01] <cliebow>  Riched:Pong..just got up
[12:01] <RichEd> cliebow: hi ... I have a meeting with my boss up now ... will ping you in an hour os so
[12:02] <RichEd> *or
[12:03] <cliebow> il,l bee a couple hours  before i can get back top  a machine
[12:03] <cliebow> 9 am edt
[12:03] <cliebow> have to do support for testing in a school first thing
[01:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> the 7.04 pressed cds arnt working in my laptop :(
[01:24] <cliebow> booking it for Lamoine school then trenton..then ellsworth
[01:43] <binks_work> hello peeps
[01:44] <binks_work> at what age do you think my son should start to learn to program
[01:46] <aze> hi all
[01:47] <binks_work> aze hi
[01:47] <aze> hi binks_work
[01:59] <ogra> binks_work, i think its the same as with foreign langs, the earlier the kid starts the better, but never unattended and only in short portions indeed
[01:59] <binks_work> cheers and any language best to start i was thinking pos python
[01:59] <binks_work> hes nearl 7 now btw
[01:59] <willvdl> binks_work, even things like squeak and great to start on
[01:59] <ogra> well, that depends ... python kis easy and all, but keeps you pretty much away from the basics
[01:59] <ogra> but might be good for a start
[01:59] <binks_work> never came across squeek will lokk at that
[01:59] <binks_work> im just starting c++ so will be fun for both us
[02:41] <dean_za> hi
[02:42] <dean_za> i was wondering if someone could give me some pointers on converting an alternate cd ubuntu instaltin into an edubuntu instaltion
[02:42] <dean_za> i used the alternate cd to be able to setup software raid
[02:44] <dean_za> i have then followed the quickinstall doc and setup ltsp
[02:44] <dean_za> now i want to have the thin clients see all the edubuntu sttuff because its for a school
[02:48] <juliux> check if you have edubuntu-desktop and edubuntu-server installed
[02:50] <dean_za> on the server or in the chroot
[02:50] <dean_za> i tried installing then in the chroot and it did not work
[02:51] <juliux> on the server
[02:51] <juliux> if an user on the thinclient log in he will see all the stuff which is installed at the server
[02:52] <dean_za> so what is gaied by installing stuff in the chroot ?
[02:53] <juliux> the chroot is the minimal system which runs on the client
[02:53] <juliux> but if you login you have a connection to the server
[02:53] <juliux> so don t install stuff into the chroot
[02:54] <dean_za> wasnt the muekow idea that stuff was installed in the chroot ?
[02:54] <juliux> i don t think so
[02:54] <juliux> but perhaps ogra can answer you your question
[02:55] <dean_za> yes maybe clarification of what must / should be installed in the chroot
[02:55] <ogra> the muecow idea was that you *can* install stuff in the chroot to tweak the thin client behavior if you want to, but you shouldnt do that unless you have a very valid reason and know exactly what you do, whats the problem ?
[02:56] <dean_za> i read in the roadmap that they want to develop a nice way to keep it updated
[02:56] <ogra> yes, it shall integrate with the servers update-manager
[02:56] <dean_za> also why copy the apt sources.list if you never really going to install stuff ?
[02:56] <dean_za> i was trying to get from alternate ubuntu to edubuntu
[02:57] <dean_za> thought i had to install in the chroot
[02:57] <ogra> nope
[02:57] <dean_za> but that didint work
[02:57] <ogra> just install edubuntu-desktop on the server
[02:57] <dean_za> not edubuntu-servre or any of the otthers ?
[02:57] <ogra> the stuff you can do tho the chroot isnt related in any way to the users desktop session
[02:58] <dean_za> because its tunneling evrything through ssh right ?
[02:58] <ogra> right
[02:59] <dean_za> what about the switches avilable when doing the ltsp-build-client
[02:59] <dean_za> --dist ?
[03:00] <dean_za> is that for architecture ? i386 / ppc etc
[03:01] <ogra> you could try to build an edgy chroot on feisty or so ... but i wouldn know why you want to do that :) its a historical swith we initially used for installs on debian vs ubuntu
[03:01] <ogra> so you could do --dist sarge
[03:01] <ogra> or --dist sid
[03:01] <dean_za> ok
[03:01] <ogra> instead of the default
[03:01] <ogra> all these switches are only to override defaults if you need that
[03:02] <dean_za> does it matter wether you build the ltsp before or after you install edubuntu-desktop ?
[03:02] <ogra> which is usually not the case for normal usage
[03:02] <ogra> yes, since feisty it matters for the usplash artwork
[03:03] <dean_za> so desktop first then build ltsp ?
[03:03] <ogra> ltsp-build-client checks if edubuntu-artwork is installed on the server, if so it switches the chroot to edubuntu artwork
[03:03] <ogra> yes
[03:03] <dean_za> thanks
[03:03] <dean_za> i can safely just delete my busted ltsp dir ?
[03:08] <ogra> yup
[03:09] <dean_za> any advice for setting up the vnc stuff
[03:09] <dean_za> i have not been able to use the share desktop feature
[03:10] <dean_za> i did manage before to get the vnc viewing working , but not full screen only in the little windows
[03:10] <ogra> you need to enable sharing for your desktop generllay first ...
[03:10] <ogra> look in the gnome settings
[03:10] <dean_za> what was the motivation for the small viewer
[03:11] <dean_za> will that work when the teacher is on a thin client to ?
[03:12] <ogra> yes
[03:12] <ogra> since it runs on the server :)
[03:12] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallX11VncOnLtspClients
[03:13] <dean_za> i read that to get the other part of the TCM working
[03:13] <ogra> thats one of the tweaks i mentioned above that muecow makes possible btw :)
[03:13] <cbx33> did I hear TCM?
[03:13] <cbx33> hey ogra dude!
[03:13] <cbx33> long time no see
[03:13] <dean_za> i didnt figure it was for the teacher as well
[03:13] <ogra> yeah
[03:13] <dean_za> i will try once my ltsp is rebuilt
[03:15] <cbx33> it's been so hectic here
[03:28] <tristan_> eya ppl
[03:29] <tristan_> question: how's the support for sound on edubuntu thin clients?
[03:29] <tristan_> and what happens when another user plays a vid for example?
[03:30] <tristan_> does it playback sound on the other clients as well?
[03:30] <tristan_> or what?
[03:30] <ogra> indeed
[03:31] <tristan_> hmmz
[03:31] <ogra> ltsp sound uses alsa
[03:31] <tristan_> so I have to remove all the users from the group sound?
[03:31] <tristan_> and only add myself to it?
[03:31] <ogra> with pulseaudio for the network transport to the client
[03:31] <tristan_> or audio or whatever that group is named
[03:31] <tristan_> :P
[03:31] <tristan_> ?
[03:32] <ogra> if you only want yourself to be able to hear sounds, ten yes, remove all others from the audio group
[03:32] <tristan_> ok :)
[03:32] <ogra> you can as well only enable sound on one terminal
[03:32] <tristan_> ohw.. that's nice :)
[03:32] <ogra> by adding an entry to the lts.conf file
[03:32] <ogra> and removing SOUND=True from the default entry
[03:33] <ogra> so the soundserver will only run on the client you defined
[03:33] <tristan_> maybe I want to configure this "mediapc" as thin client too
[03:33] <tristan_> since video is working fine on the thin clients
[03:33] <tristan_> and the server is more powerfull then this pc too
[03:33] <ogra> you can av multiple indiccvidual entries in that file
[03:33] <tristan_> and I also don't want to setup samba/LDAP to get the same users/files on this pc
[03:33] <ogra> but why dont you wnt your users to have sound ?
[03:34] <tristan_> I want them to have sound
[03:34] <tristan_> in the future ;p
[03:34] <ogra> then whats there should be perfect without tweaking
[03:34] <ogra> ah, ok
[03:34] <tristan_> but I don't want them to have sound in this internetcaf
[03:34] <tristan_> :P
[03:34] <ogra> right
[03:34] <tristan_> I have 2 thin clients and one old PC for mediafiles
[03:35] <tristan_> and I maybe want to install that mediapc as thin client to
[03:35] <ogra> so look at /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
[03:35] <tristan_> ok
[03:35] <ogra> there is a [default]  section ...
[03:35] <ogra> remove the sound entry there
[03:36] <ogra> look up the MAC address of your client you want to have sound on
[03:36] <ogra> add a line with the MAC address just like the default line in angled brackets
[03:36] <ogra> and add SOUND=True below it
[03:36] <tristan_> :)
[03:37] <tristan_> do you think it's a good choice to use a thinclient for playback media?
[03:37] <ogra> well
[03:38] <ogra> if you want it to be a mediapc, i'D instal the mythtv frontend in a special /opt/ltsp/mediapc chroot and make it boot that from the dhcpd.conf file
[03:38] <ogra> and run the mythtv backend on the server
[03:38] <ogra> thix way you can have a very low powered client (without fan etc) in your living room ... and use the storage power of the server
[03:38] <ogra> s/thix/this/
[03:39] <tristan_> do dualscreen setups work with thin clients?
[03:39] <tristan_> I use this one for internet as well
[03:42] <ogra> well, if you use a static xorg.conf
[03:43] <ogra> see /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/lts-parameters.txt.gz
[03:43] <ogra> and there is an example lts.conf in that dir as well
[03:44] <tristan_> it's possible to use normale a xorg.conf?
[03:44] <zek> Question about edubuntu
[03:44] <tristan_> *normal
[03:45] <tristan_> if a regular xorg.conf works I may use my old multiseat setup as well
[03:45] <zek> will install to the hard disk install a server version with a gui or not
[03:45] <tristan_> with gui
[03:45] <tristan_> if you're talking about edubuntu
[03:46] <tristan_> I didn't try ubuntu server yet
[03:46] <zek> so i can use it as a desktop? yes edubuntu
[03:46] <tristan_> it is a desktop install with some servercomponents as well
[03:46] <zek> it includes the ltsp correct?
[03:46] <tristan_> yep
[03:47] <tristan_> actually the thin clients are using the workstation environment on your server
[03:47] <tristan_> :P
[03:47] <zek> i have version 6.06 can i upgrade that or am i stuck with 6.06
[03:47] <zek> wait what do you mean
[03:47] <tristan_> you may upgrade..
[03:47] <tristan_> the thinclients use the environment on  your server
[03:48] <tristan_> the same one as you may use when you login on the server
[03:48] <zek> what is the difference between option 1 Install to the hard disk and option 2 Install a workstation
[03:48] <tristan_> workstation doesn't serve
[03:48] <zek> ok thanks i will begin installing immediately
[03:49] <zek> thank you very much. #ubuntu is very busy and was not getting back to me
[03:51] <zek> sorry what ip address should i use on the config the network settings?
[03:51] <zek> should i make one up or leave it blank?
[03:55] <tristan_> the networkinterface mentioned during the setup is the connection to the internet
[03:56] <zek> ok.  when i looked on the webpage it said that option 1 installed a terminal server.  Does it also install gnome or kde etc?
[04:03] <zek> Question.  Can a thin client use a wireless card?
[04:09] <ogra> no
[04:09] <ogra> well, it can but nor for booting from it ...
[04:09] <ogra> *not
[04:10] <ogra> i.e. you could build a special thin client by tweaking a lot to become an AP
[04:10] <ogra> but you cant use the wlan for your nfsroot to boot from
[04:11] <zek> ok i was installing it then the screen went blank during the chroot LTSP 50%. there are two small grey rectangles on the screen. Help?
[04:12] <ogra> it should come back, thats the xserver package being installed in your chroot
[04:12] <ogra> it defaults to probe the servers graphics card
[04:12] <ogra> but switches back afterwards
[04:13] <zek> how long ive install ubuntu (derivatives) before. It has never taken this long
[04:13] <zek> btw I have an integrated intel piece of crap
[04:14] <zek> wait its spinning the hd
[04:15] <ogra> dont say that
[04:16] <ogra> the intel graphics cards are the best out there if you are no hardcore gamer
[04:17] <ogra> they are teh only company that fully releases all specs for the 3D part of the chips ... the 3D support is the best ou can get with linux
[04:17] <zek> not the ones that come with the dell dimensions
[04:17] <ogra> classes better than nvidia or ati
[04:17] <ogra> indeed the HW is moot compared to nvidia or ati ...
[04:18] <ogra> but for desktop use with 3D effects there is nothing better than intel
[04:19] <tristan_> lala... my give-away-store is allmost finished :)
[04:19] <tristan_> after 4 months of work in this house
[04:20] <zek> good never tried it with linux.  On xp it wont run good games had to get a radeon 9250 (pci) to run anything because dell didn't put in an AGP slot
[04:20] <tristan_> pci-x maybe?
[04:20] <zek> nope
[04:21] <zek> 3-4 years old
[04:23] <zek> My comp hasn't displayed anything else in the last 10-20 minutes
[04:24] <tristan_> edubuntu server install takes a long time
[04:24] <zek> ok i need to work on patience anyways
[04:24] <tristan_> especially at that point
[04:24] <tristan_> well patience sux
[04:25] <tristan_> live is short
[04:25] <tristan_> life i mean
[04:25] <tristan_> and it doesn't kill you when you get tired of something slow
[04:25] <tristan_> :P
[04:26] <ogra> what video mode did you select at the beginning of the install ?
[04:26] <ogra> try some other ...
[04:26] <zek> Thank you all for your help. Everyone at my house wants to get the pc up incuding me because they use mine.  XP got some adware or something and my parents never removed the junkware dell puts on it
[04:34] <zek> just curious.  How long am i looking at? Roughly, i dont expect it in ticks
[04:37] <ogra> the ltsp setp in the installer ?
[04:37] <ogra> 10 mins or so
[04:37] <ogra> max 20 with a slow CDrom
[04:38] <zek> its been 30 at least but my cd drive is spinnins and hd is spinning. I just dont know where it is becaue the screen is screwed up. (to put it technically)
[04:38] <ogra> yes, see what i said above
[04:39] <ogra> some dells do weird things to the frambuffer from the BIOS
[04:39] <zek> what do u mean
 what video mode did you select at the beginning of the install ?
 try some other ...
[04:39] <ogra> ^^^^
[04:39] <zek> just end the install?
[04:40] <ogra> look if you can switch to console 4
[04:40] <zek> how?
[04:40] <ogra> (hit alt-f4)
[04:40] <zek> nothing
[04:40] <ogra> and then switch back with alt-f1
[04:40] <zek> is it ctrl atl or just alt
[04:41] <ogra> just alt
[04:41] <ogra> ctrl is only needed in X
[04:41] <zek> ok. nothing happend
[04:42] <ogra> well, if the cdrom doesnt spin even if you hit enter on console 1 then rather restart the install and choose a different video mode
[04:43] <zek> the cdrom spins and the hd activity light comes on. Could it just be installing without display?
[04:43] <zek> the keyboard numpad light works
[04:44] <ogra> you can just hit enter blindly indeed, but no promises yo dont allow weird things then :)
[04:45] <ogra> if the CD comes out the tray its done
[04:45] <zek> the hd started acting after i hit enter
[04:46] <zek> it worked
[04:46] <zek> the cd came out
[04:46] <ogra> ok, another enter and the machine should reboot
[04:46] <zek> thanks ive never done a blind install
[04:49] <zek> Wow Thanks it looks sweet
[04:49] <zek> is there an easy way to get the desktop effects
[04:51] <ogra> is that feisty ?
[04:51] <zek> no 6.06
[04:51] <ogra> then you can just check the checkbox in the desktop-settings tool
[04:52] <ogra> heh
[04:52] <ogra> thats ancient, there are no desktop effects
[04:52] <zek> can i upgrade
[04:52] <ogra> sure
[04:52] <ogra> but that taes a lot of bandwith
[04:53] <ogra> you can only upgrade release to release, not kip one inbetween
[04:53] <ogra> *skip
[04:53] <ogra> so that means 6.06 to 6.10 and then to 7.04
[04:53] <zek> my internet doesn't work
[04:53] <ogra> i suspect downloading feisty and installing from iso would be faster and easier
[04:54] <zek> it works on the pc im typing on but not on the new install
[04:59] <zek> any ideas?
[05:29] <tristan_> it's connected to a router?
[05:38] <ogra> :)
[05:38] <ogra> hope you'll make it
[05:38] <LaserJock> it's looking that way
[05:46] <ogra> edubuntu on german tv :)
[05:46] <ogra> http://www.linux4afrika.de/linuxtag_big.avi
[05:46] <LaserJock> really?
[05:47] <LaserJock> now I wish I could understand German
[05:47] <ogra> well, linux4africa uses edubuntu
[05:47] <ogra> its a report abut them, but also mentioning ubuntu
[06:02] <moquist> highvoltage: Ah; I didn't know enough about d-i to realize how completely ubiquity departs from it.
[06:03] <ogra> it doesnt ?
[06:03] <ogra> ubiquitiy is in 95% only a plain frontend to d-i
[06:03] <moquist> ogra: Well, highvoltage was telling me that ubiquity doesn't support preseeding.
[06:03] <ogra> there are 5% difference though
[06:03] <ogra> huh ?
[06:04] <moquist> I perhaps drew the wrong degree of conclusion...
[06:04] <moquist> or maybe highvoltage is wrong...
[06:04] <ogra> it does
[06:04] <moquist> Oh, good. :)
[06:04] <ogra> dont ask me how, but i'm sure it uses preseeding extensively since thats what ubuntu uses
[06:04] <ogra> for making the install comortable
[06:05] <moquist> That makes sense; I wonder why highvoltage thought it didn't?
[06:06] <moquist> ogra: I'm on to automated installs now that I have the LiveCDs booting happily via PXE.
[06:06] <moquist> (which was far, far easier than I made it)
[06:31] <LaserJock> ogra: do you happen to know how the applications.menu is created for the app-install directory on the Add-on CD?
[06:32] <ogra> LaserJock, by g-a-i-data or so
[06:32] <ogra> which is genrated from all -desktop files in main somehow
[06:32] <ogra> *.desktop
[06:33] <LaserJock> well, actually the existing applications.menu is just the same as what's on an installed system
[06:33] <LaserJock> it's basically the gnome default
[06:33] <LaserJock> we need to change it
[06:33] <LaserJock> but I'm wondering how it gets on the CD in the first place
[06:34] <ogra> mvo will know
[06:45] <ruivaldo> Hi, i tried to run gnome-orca from a ltsp thin client, but the sound dosent executes. But this same station plays music right. Somebody may help me fix this ?
[06:46] <ruivaldo> My friend is visually impaired and need help
[07:07] <LaserJock> ogra: I talked to mvo, he thought it might be in the ubuntu-cdimage bzr, but we couldn't find it. He said to ask pitti
[07:08] <LaserJock> who doesn't seem to be online right now
[07:08] <ogra> no, not even in the canonical network ... i think he finished the day
[07:10] <LaserJock> the other thing that needs to happen is for the .desktops of the add-on CD packages to be "good"
[07:11] <LaserJock> i.e. have enough Categories that I can sort them well
[07:12] <LaserJock> I think I'm going to write up a script that just goes through the .desktops and spits out a decent report on what Categories exist
[07:12] <LaserJock> if it doesn't look so good I can do one of two things
[07:12] <LaserJock> either patch the packages with better .desktops
[07:12] <LaserJock> or manually put the applications where I want them in the menu
[07:25] <ogra> LaserJock, i think the latter is more reasonable ...
[07:25] <ogra> using a script and list we maintain ourselves
[07:25] <ogra> patching all .desktop files will be a horible job
[07:25] <LaserJock> if it's only 1 or 2 that aren't great I think the former might be easier
[07:25] <ogra> oh, ok
[07:26] <LaserJock> but I think in the long run, from looking at .desktop and the .desktop spec
[07:26] <LaserJock> I just don't think we are going to have the flexibility we want
[07:26] <LaserJock> I think we'll *want* to create our own
[07:26] <LaserJock> so perhaps writing a script up now is a reasonable thing
[07:27] <LaserJock> like, if I want to split up preschool, primary, secondary
[07:27] <LaserJock> there's no way to do that with existing .desktop Categories
[07:27] <LaserJock> I'd have to do that manually
[07:27] <LaserJock> and given that we have to add new apps to seeds anyway
[07:28] <LaserJock> added new apps to a script shouldn't be much more work
[07:28] <LaserJock> in the future I'd like to think that the application review DB would help us with that
[08:01] <highvoltage> moquist, ogra: last when I customised ubiquity (Edgy), it didn't use d-i fully as a back-end yet, and it only had /very/ partial preseeding support (mostly insufficient for any real large-scale deployment)
[08:01] <ogra> hmm
[08:01] <highvoltage> moquist, ogra: that might have changed in feisty, but I doubt that there's that big a difference
[08:13] <sbalneav> ogra: Still about?
[08:14] <ogra> sure
[08:14] <ogra> sbalneav, LaserJock goes for core-dev tonight (TB meeitng in 45min)
[08:14] <ogra> indeed i'm attending
[08:14] <sbalneav> My users are constantly getting evolution bugzilla reports when they start up.  It's from the alarm notifier
[08:15] <sbalneav> Now, we're not running evolution, so how would I remove that globally from their startup?
[08:15] <sbalneav> It doesn't look like it's in /usr/share/gnome/default.session
[08:16] <ogra> form the startup ?
[08:17] <sbalneav> No, but the notifier starts up
[08:17] <sbalneav> to check for alarms
[08:18] <ogra> thats part of the panel
[08:18] <ogra> particulary of the calendar applet
[08:18] <sbalneav> ah, ok
[08:18] <ogra> that needs evolution-data-server and evolution-alarm-blah...
[08:44] <ogra> sbalneav, apt-cache rdepends evolution-data-server
[08:44] <ogra> shows binary packages that depend on e-d-s
[08:54] <moquist> it is pooooooouuuuuuuuuring here.
[08:55] <moquist> shoot - wrong channel. sorry.
[08:55] <cliebow_> moquist:thanks for heads up
[08:55] <ogra> *umbrella
[08:56] <cliebow_> i was wait ing for cinderelly to pass the mbreally
[08:56] <moquist> hehe
[08:56] <cliebow_> 8~)
[08:57] <ogra> :)
[08:58] <moquist> ogra: it's Xorg 7.3 that does away with xorg.conf, right?
[08:58] <ogra> yes
[08:58] <ogra> in gutsy you can run completely without config file
[08:58] <moquist> already?
[08:58] <ogra> (which is what i do everywhere now)
[08:58] <ogra> yep
[08:59] <ogra> the codedrop of the X detection in ltsp will happen on friday
[08:59] <moquist> So I could just upgrade a (test!) feisty edubuntu server to gutsy, and (separately?) upgrade the TC chroot, and try it out.
[08:59] <ogra> yes
[09:00] <cliebow_> moquist is Cookin'
[09:00] <ogra> moquist, from friday on all gutsy chroots will do that :)
[09:00] <moquist> With a 4.2 kernel and sdm (sorry, ldm) and a static xorg.conf I got those infernal laptops to present a login screen in 154s.
[09:00] <ogra> i have to find a proper way for the keymap setting though
[09:01] <moquist> ogra: should I upgrade by hand or just wait and do it next monday? I'm in no rush.
[09:01] <ogra> as you like :)
[09:01] <moquist> 6-1 half-dozen the other.
[09:03] <ogra> also the gutsy kernel seems to boot faster than feisty
[09:04] <ogra> you should try that one too on the slow clients
[10:12] <willvdl> highvolt1ge, petrol goes up at midnight! Fill up those spare barrels boetie
[10:20] <LaserJock> heh
[10:21] <LaserJock> it's gone down liek $0.04 here lately
[10:21] <LaserJock> *like
[10:21] <LaserJock> $0.04/gallon I should say
[10:31] <willvdl> LaserJock, send some over here. IF we do it in bulk then wecan split the profits
[10:31] <LaserJock> willvdl: how much does it cost there?
[10:31] <willvdl> erm, I don't know...
[10:31] <willvdl> I'll find out in the next hour when I fill my car
[10:32] <LaserJock> heh
[10:37] <willvdl> it's probably about 3 chickens, a handful of corn and friendly smile per litre
[10:39] <willvdl> brb
[11:42] <willvdl> LaserJock, it's just under a dollar
[11:42] <LaserJock> US dollar?
[11:44] <willvdl> yip
[11:44] <willvdl> R6.80
[11:44] <willvdl> going up to R7.oo
[11:45] <willvdl> ZAR:US$ = about 7ish:1
[11:45] <willvdl> http://www.despair.com/pessimistsmug.html <-- I want one
[11:57] <LaserJock> it's about R6.25 here then
[11:58] <LaserJock> man, I'm realizing today how much google runs my life
[12:12] <willvdl> I'm realising how much beryl runs my life
[12:13] <LaserJock> really?
[12:14] <LaserJock> I've yet to use it really
[12:14] <LaserJock> I did one 2 min test on my server machine at home
[12:14] <LaserJock> but that's the only computer I own that'll run it
[12:17] <crimsun> mayhap I'm simply unaware of its versatility, but I haven't found any plugins that "enhance my productivity"
[12:17] <crimsun> I find myself using whiteboards and dry erase markers more and more