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| jjesse | evening | 12:55 |
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| nosrednaekim | hello. | 12:56 |
| Riddell | hmm, no tonio with kaffeine | 01:05 |
| nosrednaekim | Riddell: you do work on guidance power manager, right? | 01:22 |
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| === Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Congratulations to Hobbsee | Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Merge! | Bugs! https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs | ||
| === Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by Riddell at Fri Jun 1 12:33:05 2007 | ||
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| === Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Congratulations to Hobbsee | Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Merge! | Bugs! https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs | ||
| === Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by Riddell at Fri Jun 1 12:33:05 2007 | ||
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| Hobbsee | did the kdesudo dialog ever get uploaded? | 07:50 |
| fdoving | i've hacked a littlebit on that. | 07:57 |
| fdoving | but i need to go to work. bye. :) | 07:57 |
| Hobbsee | cya | 07:57 |
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| === Jucato strangles kmail while nixternal hugs it... | ||
| Jucato | (at the same time) | 09:17 |
| === nixternal strangles funky cdbs love to get pkg correct | ||
| nixternal | that would be like one giant bear hug | 09:18 |
| Jucato | ;) | 09:18 |
| === nixternal hopes this build works..if not..sleep time... | ||
| Jucato | sleep first, build later :) | 09:19 |
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| nixternal | !hobbsee | 09:20 |
| ubotu | I phear the stick so shhhhh | 09:20 |
| nixternal | haha | 09:20 |
| Jucato | lol | 09:20 |
| Hobbsee | hahaha | 09:21 |
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| nixternal | !jucato | 09:25 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about jucato - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | 09:25 |
| Jucato | :) | 09:25 |
| nixternal | Hobbsee: I think he needs one :) | 09:25 |
| Jucato | good bot :) | 09:25 |
| nixternal | !nixternal | 09:25 |
| ubotu | Oh no! The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived! | 09:25 |
| Jucato | lol! | 09:25 |
| nixternal | gah | 09:25 |
| Jucato | I'm not that known amongst the wider -devel population to warrant one :) | 09:26 |
| nixternal | that's it, I am switching to Xandros! | 09:26 |
| Jucato | hahaha | 09:26 |
| Jucato | same thing :P | 09:26 |
| nixternal | Jucato: known as much as I am | 09:26 |
| nixternal | haha right | 09:26 |
| nixternal | I just got done reading the Xandros forums | 09:26 |
| Jucato | heheh | 09:26 |
| nixternal | all 15 of their users quit | 09:26 |
| Jucato | is Xandros that desperate for publicity or whatever? | 09:27 |
| nixternal | don't know..but that wouldn't warrant bedding with Microsoft | 09:27 |
| nixternal | one of the Xandros users said Ubuntu is next to strike a deal, and the only distro that would never cave is Debian | 09:27 |
| Jucato | yeah right :) | 09:27 |
| nixternal | someone said it best..Microsoft realizes that Vista isn't doing well and that Linux is taking off..so this is the way they fix the problem | 09:30 |
| Jucato | yeah, "dig a deeper hole" always fixes problems :) | 09:31 |
| nixternal | hehe | 09:31 |
| nixternal | alright...package didn't work...sleep time | 09:31 |
| nixternal | g'nite | 09:31 |
| Jucato | g'night! | 09:31 |
| Jucato | hm.. you sleep at this hour, while Admiral_Chicago eats... | 09:32 |
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| yveslu | hi | 09:51 |
| yveslu | http://dot.kde.org/1172617283/1172768274/1172773687/1172776025/ | 09:51 |
| yveslu | any plan to turn this feature on for gusty? it should greatly improve kdes startup speed | 09:51 |
| Hobbsee | yveslu: neat! | 09:51 |
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| === Hobbsee just saw that in +1 | ||
| yveslu | yes :) | 09:52 |
| yveslu | sorry for spamming ;) | 09:52 |
| Hobbsee | depends when the binutils is released, i guess | 09:52 |
| yveslu | as Fedora 7 is out, I guess they are already, or in the process of... | 09:53 |
| Hobbsee | yveslu: main is frozen for tribe 1 now. maybe after that | 09:54 |
| yveslu | ok... let's hope for it :-) | 09:55 |
| Hobbsee | upstream is saying it's causing bugs | 09:57 |
| Hobbsee | on the ML | 09:57 |
| yveslu | oh | 10:01 |
| yveslu | got a link? | 10:01 |
| Hobbsee | yveslu: third comment. http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-optimize&m=115867874021537&w=3 and continuing the thread | 10:02 |
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| yveslu | yes I have read about that. but it's a different thing than Thiago wrote about | 10:03 |
| yveslu | he wrote about the -reduce-relocations configure option of Qt... I have never seen any comment about so far | 10:03 |
| Hobbsee | oh wait | 10:03 |
| Hobbsee | right, yeha | 10:03 |
| Hobbsee | looks interesting - both of them | 10:04 |
| yveslu | yes | 10:05 |
| yveslu | also, I'm not sure whether it's a Qt4-only-thing | 10:07 |
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| yveslu | got to go... have a nice day | 10:09 |
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| Tonio_ | hey ;) | 10:15 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: kaffeine commited | 10:15 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: sorry for beeing late on that point, but as it only builds since yesterday, and I still don't have internet at home :'( | 10:15 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: btw you can ping pitti to approve | 10:16 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: main is frozen now - what's the change? | 10:16 |
| === Hobbsee can do it | ||
| Jucato | hah! exercising -core powers :) | 10:16 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: kaffeine plugin doesn't crash konqueror | 10:16 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: okay. have you uploaded it yet? | 10:16 |
| Tonio_ | 5 weeks without internet at home....... | 10:16 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: and is there anything else that we should have fixed pre-tribe1? | 10:16 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: nope, but Riddell asked me to upload | 10:17 |
| Tonio_ | so did I | 10:17 |
| Tonio_ | french providers technically are good, but the services are really really really bad reguarding to the customers | 10:17 |
| Hobbsee | ahhh | 10:17 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: ah right, it's already uploaded. asking | 10:20 |
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| Hobbsee | hi Lure! | 11:31 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: test failed | 11:31 |
| Jucato | Lure: thanks for the comment btw :) | 11:33 |
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| Riddell | anyone on gutsy able to confirm the new kdebase and system settings last night fixed kcontol and ss? | 11:46 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: it loads now | 11:47 |
| Riddell | which? | 11:48 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: system settings. and kcontrol, for the most part | 11:52 |
| Riddell | most part? | 11:52 |
| hunger | What was broken? | 11:53 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: seems to be some kdesudo breakage in kcontrol/system settings, though, whenever you hit hte administrator mode button | 11:53 |
| Hobbsee | not sure if that's happening with kdesu too - i think it was, prior to that patch | 11:53 |
| hunger | Switching to admin mode works for me. | 11:54 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: in gutsy? | 11:55 |
| Riddell | hunger rather ^^ | 11:57 |
| hunger | Riddell: Yeap. | 11:58 |
| hunger | Riddell: Last update was about 30min ago. | 11:58 |
| Riddell | ok, groovy, I'll see what happens on the CDs for kdesu then | 11:59 |
| Riddell | maybe kdesudo will fix this one day | 11:59 |
| hunger | Does that switch to admin thingy work for users not allowed to do sudo? Just curious. | 11:59 |
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| Riddell | no | 12:01 |
| Riddell | certainly better not anyway | 12:01 |
| hunger | Riddell: It could fall back to su:-) | 12:04 |
| hunger | Well, probably too much work anyway... | 12:04 |
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| Riddell | Hobbsee: have you played with seeds yet? | 12:47 |
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| Riddell | mhb: able to point Dominic Liche towards how to help with testing? | 12:48 |
| Riddell | (on kubuntu-devel list) | 12:48 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: if you want to try it out you can add dolphin and remove kmplayer from desktop | 12:51 |
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| Hobbsee | Riddell: no i havent, yes i want to, and damn my connection *sucks* | 01:15 |
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| Riddell | Hobbsee: bzr checkout sftp://jr@bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu.gutsy | 01:17 |
| Hobbsee | thanks | 01:17 |
| Riddell | emacs desktop; bzr diff; bzr commit | 01:17 |
| Hobbsee | will look in a min - want to check out kaffeine first | 01:17 |
| Riddell | other seeds listed on https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-seeds/ | 01:17 |
| Riddell | also (inside the kubuntu.gutsy directory) bzr merge sftp://jr@bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.gutsy | 01:18 |
| Riddell | fix any problems; bzr resolve foo (where foo is any file that had a conflict); bzr diff (to check it's all good); bzr commit | 01:19 |
| Hobbsee | right | 01:20 |
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| LongPointyStick | Riddell: my connection is terrible tonight | 01:41 |
| LongPointyStick | you may need to do this, if i cant get the checkout | 01:41 |
| LongPointyStick | if i stop responding on irc, i've been d/c'd again | 01:41 |
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| nosrednaekim | Lure: hello | 01:45 |
| Hobbsee | ooh yay, it downloaded | 01:45 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: did you happen to commit that already? | 01:46 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: nope | 01:46 |
| Riddell | well, you can use bzr log and see :) | 01:47 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: there's no kmplayer in the desktop seed, only kmplayer-konq-plugins | 01:47 |
| Riddell | yeah, that's the one we don't need any more | 01:47 |
| Hobbsee | ah right | 01:47 |
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| Riddell | if we wanted to keep it in main we could put it in supported, but there's no reason to keep it in main | 01:59 |
| LongPointyStick | aaaa | 01:59 |
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| Hobbsee | Riddell: okay...done the merge, attemtping to commit again | 02:09 |
| Hobbsee | right, committed. | 02:18 |
| === Hobbsee wonders if she needs to push too | ||
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| Hobbsee | Riddell: seeds pushed. | 02:22 |
| hunger | The new guidance-backends conflicts with the old kde-guidance on some files (e.g. /usr/share/apps/guidance/vesamodes). | 02:23 |
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| === ScottK posts pro-Kubuntu messages on the Xandros forums... | ||
| Hobbsee | mmm...bugger. | 02:45 |
| n8k99 | really? | 02:45 |
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| Riddell | ScottK: best not to troll | 03:09 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Didn't troll. Told the honest truth. I started with Xandros and moved to Kubuntu and have been happy. | 03:10 |
| ScottK | Actually, messages was wrong, it was just one. | 03:11 |
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| Hobbsee | hiya Jucato! | 03:36 |
| Jucato | hi Hobbsee! :) | 03:37 |
| === Jucato is having a slight headache, probably because of a toothache... | ||
| Hobbsee | :( | 03:39 |
| === Hobbsee removes Jucato's head. problem solved. | ||
| Jucato | oooh! that feels better :) | 03:39 |
| Hobbsee | that new volume dialog box rocks, btw | 03:43 |
| Jucato | kmilo? kewl | 03:43 |
| Jucato | er... kool | 03:43 |
| Hobbsee | yep | 03:47 |
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| apachelogger | is autoremoving old kernels planed for gutsy? | 03:51 |
| Jucato | is that advisable? I mean unless it leaves at least one other kernel | 03:52 |
| Hobbsee | you'd only need one old one | 03:52 |
| Jucato | so that autoremover would leave that old one? | 03:53 |
| apachelogger | yup | 03:53 |
| apachelogger | though | 03:53 |
| apachelogger | maybe just do a check | 03:53 |
| apachelogger | for example check at 3rd boot after upgrade whether old kernel has been booted at least once, if not just remove it | 03:54 |
| apachelogger | so if one notices strange behaviour with new kernel there is 3 boots time to try with old one | 03:54 |
| apachelogger | Hobbsee: in revu mood? | 03:56 |
| Hobbsee | apachelogger: hmm...not particularly, sorry, my connection is crap tonight | 03:56 |
| Hobbsee | means downloading anything, even to remote debsign, will be very painful | 03:56 |
| apachelogger | ok :) | 03:56 |
| === Hobbsee is getting 99.6% packet loss, it seems. | ||
| Hobbsee | that's what mtr is telling me, anyway | 03:57 |
| apachelogger | doesn't sound very funny :| | 03:58 |
| Hobbsee | not overly. i'm ssh'd into a friend's machine, so any time it drops, it doesnt take forever to reconnect to irc | 03:59 |
| apachelogger | :) | 03:59 |
| Hobbsee | also helpful for when i pull the cable | 04:01 |
| Hobbsee | fortunatley, $friend's machine is abotu 20km away, so the latency, even on a crap day, isnt too bad. | 04:01 |
| Lure | Riddell: I suspect this is known: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/python-support/kde-guidance/.version', which is also in package kde-guidance-powermanager | 04:06 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: someone's mentioned it earlier, but no ones' fixed it yet | 04:06 |
| Hobbsee | 22:24 < hunger> The new guidance-backends conflicts with the old kde-guidance on some files (e.g. /usr/share/apps/guidance/vesamodes). | 04:06 |
| Hobbsee | maybe there are 2, then. | 04:06 |
| === Hobbsee hasnt downloaded the source, and checked, for obvious reasons | ||
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| Riddell | Lure: nnarg | 04:08 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: this is probably caused by recent change of Riddell to split out guidance backend | 04:08 |
| Lure | Riddell: full log: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24240/ | 04:08 |
| === rouzic est ausente: Ausente por ahora. | ||
| === Hobbsee beats rouzic_ausente with a big stick. | ||
| Riddell | Hobbsee: if your connection too broken to update kubuntu-meta still? | 04:15 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: already uploaded, and accepted | 04:15 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: i've renamed it "the spiderweb" though | 04:16 |
| Riddell | oh, there it is on gutsy-changes, groovy | 04:17 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 04:17 |
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| nosrednaekim | Lure: your idea sounds good for guidance powermanager. | 04:32 |
| mhb | Riddell: will do | 04:34 |
| mhb | Riddell: oh, Lure was a few minutes faster ... thanks Lure | 04:38 |
| Riddell | Lure: it's python-central being strange. I don't understand why it does this now but didn't do it before when we already had two packages from the guidance source package | 04:41 |
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| Hobbsee | wow. my kubuntu devel logs go back to breezy, in december 05 | 05:05 |
| Hobbsee | no wonder kate dies a little when trying to open them | 05:05 |
| hunger | Hobbsee: Wow... you must be *old* ;-) | 05:05 |
| Hobbsee | hunger: *grin* | 05:05 |
| Hobbsee | i'm not that old | 05:06 |
| === hunger grins at Hobbsee | ||
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| Hobbsee | hunger: i've been using linux for a bit under 2 years | 05:06 |
| hunger | Hobbsee: I'd be surprised if you were older than me. | 05:06 |
| Hobbsee | actually, that wouldnt ahve been the earliest time i was in kubuntu-devel, either. | 05:06 |
| === Hobbsee is young. | ||
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| Hobbsee | that's just when i finished school, so actually looked to do some serious dev stuff on kubuntu | 05:07 |
| Hobbsee | hunger: how old are you? | 05:08 |
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| hunger | Hobbsee: 32. | 05:09 |
| Hobbsee | hunger: heh. you win the record for being older, then | 05:09 |
| === Hobbsee hands hunger the walking stick | ||
| hunger | Hobbsee: Yes, saw that comming... | 05:11 |
| === ScottK thinks you are both young. | ||
| Hobbsee | heh | 05:13 |
| Hobbsee | hah. my #kubuntu log is 19mb | 05:14 |
| Hobbsee | #ubuntu is 48.7mb | 05:14 |
| hunger | Hobbsee: And you did something with your young live.... being a kubuntu dev and all... I just wasted my youth on strange (and nowadays dead) projects:-) | 05:20 |
| Hobbsee | hunger: heh. my uni is suffering a lot, though | 05:20 |
| hunger | Hobbsee: So was mine:-) But then you learn lots of stuff here... I profited more from my project stuff than the uni stuff. | 05:21 |
| Hobbsee | unfortunately, this stuff doesnt correspond so much to my uni stuff | 05:21 |
| hunger | You are not doing CS? | 05:21 |
| Hobbsee | nope | 05:22 |
| Hobbsee | bachelor of technology in optoelectronics | 05:22 |
| hunger | Hobbsee: I see your problem then... | 05:23 |
| hunger | Is that electronic in glasses? like MP3 players and stuff ;-) | 05:23 |
| Hobbsee | lights, lasers, fibre optic cables, etc | 05:24 |
| hunger | Hobbsee: I see: stuff to attach to a computer only... nothing interesting ;-) | 05:26 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 05:26 |
| Hobbsee | oh it's interesting | 05:26 |
| Hobbsee | but so's the stuff i'm doing for kubuntu, especially the release stuff. | 05:26 |
| Hobbsee | so i've got no idea what will happen. | 05:26 |
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| hunger | Hobbsee: I'm sure everything will work out. | 05:33 |
| Hobbsee | yeah. i hope so :) | 05:33 |
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| Hobbsee | okay, i know a few of the things that *could* happen, but i dont know which will win. | 05:33 |
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| ScottK | Riddell: I think yazpp will be in good shape after the next upload. It's close now. | 05:56 |
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| Riddell | ScottK: asimon is here if you need to poke him :) | 05:59 |
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| asimon | ScottK: I'll upload a fixed version later, thanks for your review. | 06:01 |
| apacheLAGger | anyone ever saw a properly made tarball from kdevelop? | 06:03 |
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| mhb | is the kubuntu website available in bzr? I forgot... | 06:04 |
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| Riddell | yes | 06:05 |
| Riddell | https://code.launchpad.net/kubuntu-website/ | 06:05 |
| mhb | oh, just found it | 06:06 |
| Riddell | my main branch | 06:06 |
| ScottK | asimon: You're welcome. Thanks for contributing. | 06:06 |
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| mhb | why isn't the kubuntu-website (or a branch of it) available for Kubuntu members to hack? | 06:07 |
| mhb | Riddell: I think kubuntu members are a reliable sort, and the kubuntu website is along with k-d-s more-or-less the stuff we do, so I see no reason in preventing ourselves from commiting to it | 06:10 |
| Hobbsee | who can get to it now? | 06:11 |
| Riddell | mhb: well it is, branch away and I'll merge when it's good | 06:12 |
| Riddell | mhb: but we should get the whole kubuntu-website spec thing moving | 06:12 |
| mhb | Riddell: I agree, that's why I suggested that | 06:14 |
| ScottK | asimon: I'm good. I'm on my way out the door. I'll leave an advocating comment later today if someone else doesn't get it first. | 06:14 |
| mhb | Riddell: having a branch all members can commit to may speed up the innovation flow, even if the page becomes a bit unstable at first | 06:15 |
| mhb | kwwii, nixternal: you two seem to have branches for kubuntu website. I'm thinking perhaps a single branch we all (members and other interested people) could commit to would be nice. What do you think? | 06:17 |
| nixternal | that is up to the big man :) don't know why I would have 2 branches...should be just one | 06:18 |
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| nixternal | but then again, I am a bzr dummy | 06:18 |
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| mhb | Riddell: in order to get things moving, I'd suggest a shared branch for the ~kubuntu-website team. Kubuntu Members should be a part of that team so they can hack on it. (I hope indirect teams have access to the code.) | 06:24 |
| mhb | Riddell: do you know what that team is for? It currently has only Matthew Nuzum listed. | 06:24 |
| Riddell | mhb: which team? | 06:25 |
| nixternal | mhb: only Canonical employees can have access to the "official" one | 06:25 |
| Riddell | mhb: shared branch doesn't change anything much since it still needs to be merged in manually by me (only person with access to the server) | 06:25 |
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| mhb | Riddell: true | 06:26 |
| nixternal | the possibilities with cdbs are endless | 06:26 |
| mhb | Riddell: but I still think that if we open up the code this way, we will get more code | 06:27 |
| Hobbsee | ooh, this debate again? | 06:27 |
| mhb | no, not this one | 06:28 |
| mhb | the other one :o) | 06:28 |
| nixternal | haha | 06:28 |
| nixternal | nice comeback there mhb :) | 06:28 |
| nixternal | but you need to remeber one thing mhb... | 06:28 |
| nixternal | !hobbsee | 06:28 |
| ubotu | I phear the stick so shhhhh | 06:28 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: okay, I'll put it in a different way | 06:29 |
| Hobbsee | differnt topic, same subject. | 06:29 |
| Hobbsee | fun stuff | 06:29 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: what i've learned about this is that if you can do it in a way that's not going to hurt canonical, they'll probably say yes. | 06:30 |
| mhb | current situation: 1 jr (you can say stable) branch, 4 other branches for individuals | 06:30 |
| Hobbsee | but you might have to push a bit. | 06:30 |
| Hobbsee | i dunno how you apply that to a website, though | 06:30 |
| mhb | better solution: 1 jr branch, 1 trunk branch | 06:30 |
| nixternal | I will agree that is a better solution instead of having a bunch of personal branches | 06:31 |
| mhb | people have access to the trunk branch, but not the server itself | 06:31 |
| mhb | once the code is well and approved, jr branch merges and jr publishes it on the website | 06:31 |
| nixternal | just give access to ~kubuntu-members like with k-d-s | 06:31 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: I'm just talking about the code, not the site admin rights | 06:33 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: true that. i was talking in the general case | 06:33 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: oh, the other thing i've learned is that canonical may well want input from the community, but may not be asking for it. | 06:34 |
| Hobbsee | dunno if any of that's relevant - but it may help in this, or future tsuff. | 06:34 |
| nixternal | Hobbsee: another thing I learned, is that Canonical will do secret things w/o community cooperation, release it, and then want that cooperation ;) | 06:34 |
| === DaSkreech wants a factoid :-) | ||
| nixternal | and those secret things are to community projects | 06:35 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: in some cases, yeah | 06:35 |
| nixternal | DaSkreech: you can have mine :) | 06:35 |
| DaSkreech | I think as far as I'll go is a user :) | 06:36 |
| nixternal | !nixternal | 06:37 |
| ubotu | Oh no! The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived! | 06:37 |
| nixternal | that has Hobbsee's name written all over it | 06:37 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 06:37 |
| Jucato | !-nixternal | 06:37 |
| ubotu | nixternal has no aliases - added by Hobbsee on 2007-05-31 09:32:53 | 06:37 |
| === Hobbsee looks around innocently | ||
| Jucato | :D | 06:37 |
| nixternal | anything with "pointy" in it, well that is Hobbsee's fault | 06:37 |
| nixternal | ahhh | 06:37 |
| Hobbsee | hah | 06:37 |
| === Hobbsee is NOT POINTY | ||
| nixternal | Jucato: you just snitched! | 06:37 |
| DaSkreech | !hobbsee | 06:37 |
| ubotu | I phear the stick so shhhhh | 06:37 |
| nixternal | hahaha | 06:37 |
| === Jucato phears for his life | ||
| Jucato | !-hobbsee | 06:38 |
| ubotu | hobbsee has no aliases - added by ompaul on 2007-05-10 14:42:04 | 06:38 |
| Hobbsee | ooh, ompaul hey? | 06:38 |
| Jucato | heh :) | 06:38 |
| nixternal | thanks Jucato for teaching me how to find out who did what | 06:38 |
| Jucato | heheh let's all thank Seveas for that :D | 06:38 |
| DaSkreech | yeah seveas is great :) | 06:39 |
| mhb | Riddell: is your branch the best for branching off or is one of kwwii's better? | 06:39 |
| mhb | Riddell: for the "unstable" kubuntu website branch | 06:40 |
| Riddell | mhb: my main one is the one that's in use, the rest are merged or dead | 06:40 |
| mhb | okay, great | 06:40 |
| Riddell | mhb: main is actually a mirror of the branch at http://kubuntu.org | 06:40 |
| Riddell | you can also just branch directly from there | 06:40 |
| mhb | Riddell: Format <RepositoryFormat6> for http://kubuntu.org/.bzr/ is deprecated - please use 'bzr upgrade' to get better performance | 06:41 |
| mhb | Riddell: you might know that | 06:42 |
| Riddell | the server is still on breezy | 06:42 |
| mhb | Riddell: is is okay to upgrade the branch? | 06:45 |
| mhb | Riddell: won't you have trouble merging it later? | 06:45 |
| Riddell | mhb: not sure actually | 06:47 |
| Riddell | I'd recommend not upgrading incase it does cause problems | 06:47 |
| mhb | Riddell: okay | 06:47 |
| nixternal | oh Hobbsee, you have everyone and their mother doing the !nixternal thing :) | 06:53 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: *grin* | 06:53 |
| Hobbsee | surely not... | 06:53 |
| nixternal | hahaha, the chicagoans are going nuts with it | 06:53 |
| === Hobbsee should %deleditor nixternal | ||
| === nixternal isn't an editor, so it would return the "I am not a smart bot" thing | ||
| DaSkreech | Riddell: Do you have a IRL contact for Mez? | 06:55 |
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| mhb | Riddell: pushed, https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-website/trunk | 07:10 |
| mhb | Riddell: I'll just add the Experimental label and some necessary information | 07:10 |
| mhb | Riddell: one more thing - I remember a page which was set up for the experiments on kubuntu.org artwork. Does that server/page still exist? Can we tweak it so that it updates from the "trunk" bzr branch? | 07:24 |
| Hobbsee | night all | 07:24 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: nighty night | 07:24 |
| DaSkreech | Night Hobbsee | 07:25 |
| Hobbsee | :( | 07:25 |
| Hobbsee | * :) | 07:25 |
| Riddell | DaSkreech: whois thekatapult.org.uk has a postal address | 07:27 |
| DaSkreech | Riddell: thanks | 07:27 |
| Riddell | mhb: I don't remember such a page | 07:27 |
| mhb | no? hmm... ryanakca, do you remember? | 07:28 |
| mhb | how open do we want to be about creating a new look for kubuntu.org? | 07:29 |
| mhb | I remember people posting e-mails with suggestions for k.org | 07:30 |
| mhb | hmm, that question is probably for kwwii, as he is the artwork superman | 07:31 |
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| Riddell | he already has a possible design | 07:32 |
| Riddell | trying to remember where it is | 07:33 |
| DaSkreech | Looks like Fedora 8 will ship with KDE4 | 07:34 |
| apokryphos | like most others I think they'll end up having to wait and see how things are closer to the time | 07:36 |
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| DaSkreech | yeah theyship like 5 days after the proposed debut of KDE4 | 07:37 |
| apachelogger | lol | 07:39 |
| apachelogger | makes ultimate sense to me :P | 07:39 |
| apachelogger | AFK | 07:39 |
| nosrednaekim | yeah.... KDE4 is going to be released a couple days after gutsy. What are you going to use? | 07:39 |
| Riddell | kde 3 with 4 available | 07:40 |
| Tm_T | KDE3 until release and then as usual, kubuntu.org repository, is my guess | 07:40 |
| nosrednaekim | ah.. ok. makes sense. | 07:40 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: was there still any idea about kde4 enabled iso ? | 07:41 |
| Riddell | Tm_T: sure, we'll do that when 4.0 is out | 07:41 |
| Tm_T | lovely | 07:41 |
| nosrednaekim | cool. from what i've seen, kubuntu is one of the top distros for quickly delivering kde4. (only gentoo being faster) | 07:42 |
| Tm_T | gentoo is faster? | 07:43 |
| Tm_T | ah right, they got stuff available before release, those cheaters | 07:43 |
| nosrednaekim | quicker at getting the releases since its sourcebased | 07:43 |
| Tm_T | doesn't matter | 07:43 |
| === DaSkreech doesn't see kubuntu shipping with KDE4 default until 8.10 | ||
| DaSkreech | Unless of course that's LTS :) | 07:43 |
| Tm_T | DaSkreech: looks like it | 07:44 |
| DaSkreech | then it's futrther | 07:44 |
| nosrednaekim | wow.. really? that long? | 07:44 |
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| DaSkreech | nosrednaekim: note by default | 07:44 |
| nosrednaekim | why,because guidance has to be remade? | 07:44 |
| DaSkreech | having it as an option will come earlier | 07:44 |
| DaSkreech | maybe having two ISOs one with KDE4 and one with KDEOld | 07:45 |
| DaSkreech | With KDEold being the blessed one :) | 07:45 |
| DaSkreech | KDE4 is really young. Most apps won't make the jump | 07:45 |
| nosrednaekim | right. | 07:45 |
| Tm_T | nosrednaekim: KDE release sources are distributed before release to packagers IIRC so if Gentoo wait release, they are no faster than other distros | 07:45 |
| nosrednaekim | Tm_T: ok. | 07:46 |
| nosrednaekim | I'm just curious, is there a kdevelop for KDE4 that will run in KDE3? | 07:47 |
| nixternal | nosrednaekim: you use kdevelop3, but you set it to use kde4 source directories and qt4 | 07:49 |
| === nixternal grabs the link | ||
| nixternal | http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Set_up_KDE_4_for_development#KDevelop | 07:50 |
| nosrednaekim | nixternal: ah ok.. thanks. | 07:50 |
| nixternal | note that this tutorial requires you have have kde4 built according to the kde4 guidelines | 07:50 |
| nosrednaekim | nixternal: I have the kubuntu package. is that good enough? | 07:51 |
| nixternal | unfortunately it isn't | 07:51 |
| nixternal | http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4 | 07:51 |
| nixternal | that is how you want to build out kde4 for development | 07:51 |
| nosrednaekim | nixternal: well... i'm glad a have a dual core processor then :-D | 07:52 |
| nixternal | hehe, it isn't to bad, just open up konsole and let it go | 07:52 |
| nixternal | it isn't super intensive..I was able to compile and build accordingly | 07:52 |
| nosrednaekim | I'm tempted to say "if you can do it......" lol, but I don't know.;) | 07:53 |
| nixternal | it isn't all that difficult actually...you just need to read the directions thoroughly | 07:54 |
| nosrednaekim | ok. | 07:55 |
| nixternal | my only thing, is the .bashrc example source they show that you need to add to your new kde-devel user, the cmakekde section should add the -GKdevelop to the cmake line, that way there when you get kdevelop setup, you don't have to rebuild everything | 07:55 |
| nosrednaekim | i'll try. thanks. | 07:55 |
| nosrednaekim | ok. thanks for the tip. | 07:56 |
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| hunger | The user listing in kdm looks really ugly. How can I get rid of it again? | 08:19 |
| nixternal | how did you get the user listing? | 08:20 |
| nixternal | heh, I guess if you knew the answer to that, then you would be able to get rid of it I guess :) | 08:20 |
| Riddell | it was in today's update | 08:21 |
| nixternal | ahhhhh | 08:21 |
| hunger | nixternal: Today's update... | 08:21 |
| nixternal | shows you that I have yet turned on the gutsy box | 08:21 |
| === nixternal fires it up | ||
| Riddell | nixternal: are you going to do a tribe 1 page? | 08:23 |
| nixternal | Riddell: funny you should ask :) people from Ubuntu and Xubuntu just asked me the same, and how to do it | 08:24 |
| nixternal | I am working locally, as to avoide the /. and digg junk for the moment | 08:24 |
| nixternal | they seem to enjoy making it hard for me to edit the wiki pages when they post their stories | 08:24 |
| Riddell | doesn't Ubuntu know how to do it? | 08:24 |
| nixternal | well the marketing crowd does it, and they cut the worst non-default looking screenshots known to man | 08:25 |
| nixternal | then again, I think they dislike the Kubuntu pages looking better :) | 08:25 |
| Riddell | hunger: there's no easy way to turn it off, it's part of the theme. if we keep the user list we should probably have a second theme available without it | 08:26 |
| nixternal | that makes sense | 08:27 |
| nixternal | Riddell: OK, now that you brought up the release page, what do you want to see highlighted for tribe 1? | 08:27 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: they seem to complain anytime that kubuntu comes out looking good | 08:28 |
| nixternal | I have noticed..but hey, what can we say, we have a group of people who make kubuntu always look good :) | 08:28 |
| hunger | Riddell: It looks *really* ugly with lots of users. | 08:28 |
| DaSkreech | hunger: Maybe it can auto detect a threshhold and move to somethign else ? | 08:30 |
| === hunger thinks that it does not make sense with one user or with several. Only with 2 or 3, maybe 4. | ||
| rbrunhuber | Is there a list of version which should be included in gutsy? Like Kernel 2.6.22 and xorg 7.3? | 08:32 |
| nixternal | jeesh, todays update is a pita | 08:33 |
| nixternal | -f installs, --configure -a, dist-upgrade, -f install, and so on | 08:33 |
| hunger | rbrunhuber: Dunno. | 08:34 |
| nixternal | guidance doesn't update it seems | 08:34 |
| hunger | nixternal: Worked fine for me... apart from guidance and a couple of other things:-) | 08:34 |
| nixternal | ya, guidance is the one giving me problems | 08:35 |
| === nixternal restarts with fingers crossed | ||
| Riddell | new guidance is still compiling on i386 | 08:39 |
| yuriy | is there a good tutorial somewhere for using pyqt4 with designer? | 08:41 |
| Riddell | use designer same as normal, load the .ui as done by software-properties-kde for example | 08:42 |
| Riddell | no compiling necessary | 08:42 |
| yuriy | hmm oh that helps, i was looking for an example | 08:43 |
| Riddell | you need to create a widget then load the .ui file onto it (same in qt 4 for c++, a bit different from qt 3 style) | 08:44 |
| yuriy | do i still need to do that if the .ui is a main window? | 08:46 |
| nixternal | you need to convert the .ui file | 08:47 |
| nixternal | pyuic4 foo.ui > foo.py | 08:47 |
| yuriy | i do? i thought that happens at run time, as Riddell just said | 08:48 |
| Riddell | nixternal: naw, that's the old way to do it | 08:48 |
| nixternal | ahh, thanks | 08:48 |
| Riddell | you can if you want, but I don't see an advantage over just loading | 08:48 |
| nixternal | well that rocks then, I don't have to do that anymore..woohoo | 08:48 |
| yuriy | hehe | 08:48 |
| Riddell | yuriy: yes, even if it's a main window. software-properties has a widget which is an overloaded QWidget and in the constructor it loads the ui file into itself | 08:49 |
| yuriy | ok | 08:49 |
| Riddell | which does seem a bit more complex than qt 3's way that just gives you the object, but I'm sure they have a good reason | 08:49 |
| yuriy | now to figure out how to run this thing.. seems to be put together a little funny. i think i better try and ask again | 08:50 |
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| yuriy | for that matter, how do i run software-properties, from the source? | 09:07 |
| yuriy | nvm, figured it out | 09:08 |
| DaSkreech | hunger: what should it do with only one user? | 09:08 |
| hunger | DaSkreech: Either autologin for the lazy person or a normal non-information-leaky no-userlist login dialog for the security paranoid guy. | 09:11 |
| DaSkreech | Riddell: What's the idea behind the install? | 09:12 |
| DaSkreech | Riddell: as few questions as possible? | 09:12 |
| Riddell | DaSkreech: which install? | 09:13 |
| DaSkreech | Riddell: a (K)ubuntu install | 09:14 |
| DaSkreech | is there a reason that the desktop install doesn't pose any questions? | 09:14 |
| Riddell | it does ask questions | 09:15 |
| DaSkreech | or I guess is there a way to start it and configure something outside of the partitons? | 09:15 |
| DaSkreech | Well user name and such | 09:15 |
| Riddell | settings up the user account is the last step | 09:17 |
| DaSkreech | Would it be ok to put a selection on that step for a userlist or not? | 09:17 |
| DaSkreech | hunger: at that point I think that the user should make the choice :) | 09:17 |
| Riddell | jings no | 09:17 |
| yuriy | i don't think that's needed in the installation, but the option in the login manager kcm should work | 09:18 |
| hunger | DaSkreech: Yeap. But the user-list thingy is definitly what the user does not want... | 09:18 |
| DaSkreech | hunger: what your user does not want :) | 09:19 |
| hunger | DaSkreech: A userlist containing one user... it is OK if you are not interested in security and have a couple of users only. | 09:19 |
| DaSkreech | hunger: that may be what some people are interested in | 09:20 |
| DaSkreech | A computer for their children | 09:20 |
| DaSkreech | for example | 09:20 |
| hunger | DaSkreech: Yes, it is great for a family. But it sucks for a bigger environment and a single user workspace. | 09:20 |
| DaSkreech | hunger: no arguments there :) | 09:21 |
| hunger | DaSkreech: basically such a list only works well with 2-5 users or so. | 09:21 |
| hunger | DaSkreech: It sucks as soon as you need to scroll... | 09:21 |
| === hunger wonders how many kubuntu installations have 2-5 users. | ||
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| DaSkreech | People with a small family | 09:30 |
| === hunger shivers. | ||
| hunger | DaSkreech: The idea of sharing a computer... close to sharing a toothbrush... | 09:31 |
| yuriy | ugh he used tabs. this is going to be fun. | 09:34 |
| Riddell | yuriy: who does? | 09:35 |
| yuriy | Riddell: pete savage | 09:37 |
| DaSkreech | hunger: Ha ha :) | 09:37 |
| DaSkreech | hunger: I shiver at the thought of getting a computer for each person :) | 09:38 |
| hunger | DaSkreech: sharing a computer is unhygenic... just think of those dirty keyboards. | 09:40 |
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| yuriy | so i18n isn't available without kde? have to do this translate_widget thing? | 09:51 |
| yuriy | and the main window ends up being a QWidget? | 09:57 |
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| DaSkreech | hunger: think of buying a computer for each person! | 10:07 |
| DaSkreech | that's a good reason not to have children | 10:07 |
| hunger | DaSkreech: These computers tend to accumulate here... | 10:07 |
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| hunger | DaSkreech: I had the first real crisis with my wife when I tried to put up the 12th pc in the living room. | 10:08 |
| DaSkreech | ha ha :) | 10:09 |
| DaSkreech | I think you may need a Computer/Electronics Anon group | 10:13 |
| hunger | DaSkreech: well, I am pretty clean nowadays. Only have my laptop left. | 10:14 |
| hunger | DaSkreech: ... the servers and the other boxes now officially belong to my wife. | 10:15 |
| DaSkreech | the bonfire worked? | 10:15 |
| DaSkreech | oh ok :) | 10:15 |
| hunger | DaSkreech: we gave lots of boxes away to friends and family. We only kept a couple of boxes and we now have a cellar. | 10:16 |
| fdoving | yuriy: you can use tr() with qt. | 10:22 |
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| Lure_ | Riddell: new guidance is still not good: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24311/ | 10:52 |
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| Riddell | Lure_: works for me | 11:15 |
| Riddell | probably because I didn't have the old version installed | 11:16 |
| Lure_ | Riddell: will remove old version now | 11:16 |
| Riddell | I'll put in a replaces | 11:16 |
| Lure_ | Riddell: ype, it works now | 11:17 |
| Lure_ | Riddell: /usr/bin/guidance-power-manager: 2: /usr/share/python-support/guidance-power-manager/guidance-power-manager.py: not found | 11:21 |
| Lure_ | Riddell: if I start from command line :-( | 11:21 |
| Lure_ | Riddell: system settings modeles work properly | 11:22 |
| Lure_ | Riddell: new path is /usr/share/python-support/kde-guidance-powermanager/guidance-power-manager.py | 11:23 |
| xRaich[o] 2x | is there a package for the kde3 api in kubuntu? | 11:23 |
| lucky_lucas | xRaich[o] 2x: do you mean kde3 dev-packages ? | 11:23 |
| xRaich[o] 2x | i don't really know what to install am quite new to debian based systems. but kdevelop assistant is complaining that there are no files to show | 11:25 |
| lucky_lucas | ok | 11:25 |
| xRaich[o] 2x | that's what i am searching for : /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kdelibs-apidocs | 11:27 |
| lucky_lucas | xRaich[o] 2x: http://women.kde.org/articles/tutorials.php | 11:28 |
| lucky_lucas | this a good point to start | 11:28 |
| xRaich[o] 2x | ah ok so no package ;) ok that helps a lot | 11:29 |
| lucky_lucas | in fact kdelib-apidocs is a documentaion api and kdevelop complains of missing kde developement files | 11:30 |
| lucky_lucas | isn't is ? | 11:30 |
| xRaich[o] 2x | yep it's complaining | 11:30 |
| Riddell | Lure_: ok, let me fix | 11:31 |
| nixternal | wo0t...gutsy exceptions in vmware | 11:31 |
| lucky_lucas | xRaich[o] 2x: you may want to apt-get install some of the dev packages ? | 11:32 |
| xRaich[o] 2x | lucky_lucas: already did that but the files in question were not in them | 11:33 |
| lucky_lucas | ok so following the tuto will surely help you to figure out what you're mmissing | 11:34 |
| nixternal | anyone else have icons on the desktop for gutsy after a daily install? | 11:34 |
| Riddell | nixternal: what are you testing? | 11:35 |
| nixternal | I just installed the current daily alternate cd | 11:35 |
| Arby | nixternal: do you mean the home, system and trash icons? | 11:38 |
| Riddell | nixternal: please report on https://isotesting.stgraber.org/isotesting/iso/Kubuntu | 11:38 |
| Arby | I see those | 11:38 |
| nixternal | Arby: yes | 11:38 |
| nixternal | Riddell: will do | 11:38 |
| Arby | are they not supposed to be there? | 11:39 |
| Riddell | Arby: we shouldn't have any icons on the desktop (except install for live CD) | 11:39 |
| Arby | ah, well we do I didn't realise it was a bug | 11:39 |
| Arby | nixternal: if you file it I can confirm | 11:39 |
| ryanakca | mhb: the address for the test site? | 11:42 |
| ryanakca | oh, he isn't there | 11:43 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: d'you know if mhb was looking for the address to it? (I'm guessing, based on the conversation earlier) | 11:44 |
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| nixternal | Arby: do you get a different KDM theme as well? | 11:46 |
| Arby | KDM == login screen? | 11:46 |
| Arby | if yes, then yes I do | 11:46 |
| Arby | I assumed it was deliberate | 11:47 |
| Riddell | what do you get? | 11:47 |
| Arby | I have list of users each with an icon on the left and the the login and password boxes on the right | 11:48 |
| Arby | sorry can't describe it better than that | 11:48 |
| Riddell | and kubuntu theme? | 11:48 |
| DaSkreech | Riddell: did you give an answer on the userlist question? | 11:49 |
| Arby | default (I think, currently in the middle of another install test) | 11:49 |
| Riddell | DaSkreech: what was the question? | 11:49 |
| Arby | nixternal: what kubuntu theme do you get? | 11:50 |
| DaSkreech | Would it be acceptable for the user to select between a userlist KDM or a plain one on the screen where they input the username? | 11:50 |
| nixternal | I am not ruling out vmware being the issue..I get some default kdm block theme | 11:50 |
| nixternal | I gotta go...I am late | 11:50 |
| nixternal | later | 11:50 |
| Arby | vmware seems less likely, I get this on real hardware | 11:51 |
| Arby | Riddell: can I get a screenshot on the kdm screen? and how? | 11:52 |
| Riddell | DaSkreech: sure, of course, if we do keep the user list theme (which isn't certain) we'll include one without the list too | 11:52 |
| Riddell | Arby: no easy way that I know of | 11:52 |
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| Riddell | I've spent hours trying to screenshot kdm | 11:52 |
| Riddell | nixternal: what kdm theme do you get? | 11:53 |
| DaSkreech | Riddell: ok. methinks that's the easiest way. Might need some sort of preview though :( | 11:53 |
| Arby | OK I won't spend more hours then | 11:53 |
| Arby | [22:50] <nixternal> I am not ruling out vmware being the issue..I get some default kdm block theme | 11:53 |
| Arby | [22:50] <nixternal> I gotta go...I am late | 11:53 |
| Arby | Riddell: ^^ | 11:53 |
| Riddell | DaSkreech: the kdm theme module has a preview | 11:53 |
| Arby | he's gone I think | 11:53 |
| DaSkreech | Of course it's just to integrate it in the install script | 11:53 |
| Arby | when this install finishes I'll check it out and file a bug | 11:54 |
| Lure_ | Riddell: I still have some default kde theme for kdm (after todays updates) | 11:58 |
| Lure_ | Riddell: but this is upgrade from feisty and not clean install from daily cd | 11:59 |
| Lure_ | Riddell: and thanks for fixing syssettings crash and lost+found icons | 11:59 |
| Arby | rebooting now, lets see what we get :) | 12:00 |
| Arby | Riddell: kubuntu theme is the default as I thought | 12:02 |
| Arby | but with extra icons | 12:02 |
| Riddell | Arby: groovy | 12:04 |
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| Arby | Riddell: so should I file it as a bug against kdm? | 12:06 |
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| Arby | Riddell: also, should knetwork-manager appear in the systray automatically at login? | 12:10 |
| Arby | (because it doesn't) | 12:11 |
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