=== jpetso is now known as jpetso_away [12:55] evening [12:56] hello. [01:05] hmm, no tonio with kaffeine [01:22] Riddell: you do work on guidance power manager, right? === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@trider-g7.fabbione.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Congratulations to Hobbsee | Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Merge! | Bugs! https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs === Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by Riddell at Fri Jun 1 12:33:05 2007 === #kubuntu-devel [freenode-info] if you need to send private messages, please register: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg === Starting logfile irclogs/kubuntu-devel.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Congratulations to Hobbsee | Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Merge! | Bugs! https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs === Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by Riddell at Fri Jun 1 12:33:05 2007 === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-049-159.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tmske [n=thomas@d54C0D13F.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Bent [n=bent@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:50] did the kdesudo dialog ever get uploaded? [07:57] i've hacked a littlebit on that. [07:57] but i need to go to work. bye. :) [07:57] cya === _marseillais [n=marseill@195.200.176.77] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Knightlust [n=Dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii [n=kwwii@p54954756.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _marseillais_ [n=marseill@195.200.176.77] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf strangles kmail :( === nixternal hugs it === glatzor [n=sebi@p54967174.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato strangles kmail while nixternal hugs it... [09:17] (at the same time) === nixternal strangles funky cdbs love to get pkg correct [09:18] that would be like one giant bear hug [09:18] ;) === nixternal hopes this build works..if not..sleep time... [09:19] sleep first, build later :) === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:20] !hobbsee [09:20] I phear the stick so shhhhh [09:20] haha [09:20] lol [09:21] hahaha === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-049-159.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === yveslu [n=yves@217.31.69.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === yveslu [n=yves@217.31.69.98] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] [09:25] !jucato [09:25] Sorry, I don't know anything about jucato - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [09:25] :) [09:25] Hobbsee: I think he needs one :) [09:25] good bot :) [09:25] !nixternal [09:25] Oh no! The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived! [09:25] lol! [09:25] gah [09:26] I'm not that known amongst the wider -devel population to warrant one :) [09:26] that's it, I am switching to Xandros! [09:26] hahaha [09:26] same thing :P [09:26] Jucato: known as much as I am [09:26] haha right [09:26] I just got done reading the Xandros forums [09:26] heheh [09:26] all 15 of their users quit [09:27] is Xandros that desperate for publicity or whatever? [09:27] don't know..but that wouldn't warrant bedding with Microsoft [09:27] one of the Xandros users said Ubuntu is next to strike a deal, and the only distro that would never cave is Debian [09:27] yeah right :) [09:30] someone said it best..Microsoft realizes that Vista isn't doing well and that Linux is taking off..so this is the way they fix the problem [09:31] yeah, "dig a deeper hole" always fixes problems :) [09:31] hehe [09:31] alright...package didn't work...sleep time [09:31] g'nite [09:31] g'night! [09:32] hm.. you sleep at this hour, while Admiral_Chicago eats... === tmske [n=thomas@d54C0D13F.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_t [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_t is now known as hunger === yveslu [n=yves@217.31.69.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:51] hi [09:51] http://dot.kde.org/1172617283/1172768274/1172773687/1172776025/ [09:51] any plan to turn this feature on for gusty? it should greatly improve kdes startup speed [09:51] yveslu: neat! === asimon [n=asimon@dslb-084-058-253-109.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee just saw that in +1 [09:52] yes :) [09:52] sorry for spamming ;) [09:52] depends when the binutils is released, i guess [09:53] as Fedora 7 is out, I guess they are already, or in the process of... [09:54] yveslu: main is frozen for tribe 1 now. maybe after that [09:55] ok... let's hope for it :-) [09:57] upstream is saying it's causing bugs [09:57] on the ML [10:01] oh [10:01] got a link? [10:02] yveslu: third comment. http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-optimize&m=115867874021537&w=3 and continuing the thread === raphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:03] yes I have read about that. but it's a different thing than Thiago wrote about [10:03] he wrote about the -reduce-relocations configure option of Qt... I have never seen any comment about so far [10:03] oh wait [10:03] right, yeha [10:04] looks interesting - both of them [10:05] yes [10:07] also, I'm not sure whether it's a Qt4-only-thing === TheInfinity [n=TheInfin@WL-POOL02-10.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:09] got to go... have a nice day === yveslu [n=yves@217.31.69.98] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === meduxa [n=agustin@213.231.80.16.static.user.ono.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@194.187.225.87] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:15] hey ;) [10:15] Riddell: kaffeine commited [10:15] Riddell: sorry for beeing late on that point, but as it only builds since yesterday, and I still don't have internet at home :'( [10:16] Riddell: btw you can ping pitti to approve [10:16] Tonio_: main is frozen now - what's the change? === Hobbsee can do it [10:16] hah! exercising -core powers :) [10:16] Hobbsee: kaffeine plugin doesn't crash konqueror [10:16] Tonio_: okay. have you uploaded it yet? [10:16] 5 weeks without internet at home....... [10:16] Tonio_: and is there anything else that we should have fixed pre-tribe1? [10:17] Hobbsee: nope, but Riddell asked me to upload [10:17] so did I [10:17] french providers technically are good, but the services are really really really bad reguarding to the customers [10:17] ahhh [10:20] Tonio_: ah right, it's already uploaded. asking === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.97.165] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.107.124] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.97.165] has joined #kubuntu-devel === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Nightrose [n=lydia@port-87-234-150-228.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=Lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure is trying irc from phone [11:31] hi Lure! [11:31] Lure: test failed [11:33] Lure: thanks for the comment btw :) === froud [n=sean@dsl-242-145-109.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:46] anyone on gutsy able to confirm the new kdebase and system settings last night fixed kcontol and ss? [11:47] Riddell: it loads now [11:48] which? [11:52] Riddell: system settings. and kcontrol, for the most part [11:52] most part? [11:53] What was broken? [11:53] Riddell: seems to be some kdesudo breakage in kcontrol/system settings, though, whenever you hit hte administrator mode button [11:53] not sure if that's happening with kdesu too - i think it was, prior to that patch [11:54] Switching to admin mode works for me. [11:55] Hobbsee: in gutsy? [11:57] hunger rather ^^ [11:58] Riddell: Yeap. [11:58] Riddell: Last update was about 30min ago. [11:59] ok, groovy, I'll see what happens on the CDs for kdesu then [11:59] maybe kdesudo will fix this one day [11:59] Does that switch to admin thingy work for users not allowed to do sudo? Just curious. === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:01] no [12:01] certainly better not anyway [12:04] Riddell: It could fall back to su:-) [12:04] Well, probably too much work anyway... === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #kubuntu-devel === haggai [n=halls@credativ.bcnadsl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso [n=jpetso@v213-022.vps.tuwien.ac.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=Lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel === haggai [n=halls@credativ.bcnadsl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:47] Hobbsee: have you played with seeds yet? === xRaich[o] 2x [n=raichoo@i5387DA6C.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:48] mhb: able to point Dominic Liche towards how to help with testing? [12:48] (on kubuntu-devel list) [12:51] Hobbsee: if you want to try it out you can add dolphin and remove kmplayer from desktop === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tmske [n=thomas@d54C0D13F.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Arby [n=richard@shiny.york.ac.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:15] Riddell: no i havent, yes i want to, and damn my connection *sucks* === marseillai [n=mars@AMarseille-156-1-76-194.w90-28.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:17] Hobbsee: bzr checkout sftp://jr@bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu.gutsy [01:17] thanks [01:17] emacs desktop; bzr diff; bzr commit [01:17] will look in a min - want to check out kaffeine first [01:17] other seeds listed on https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-seeds/ [01:18] also (inside the kubuntu.gutsy directory) bzr merge sftp://jr@bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.gutsy [01:19] fix any problems; bzr resolve foo (where foo is any file that had a conflict); bzr diff (to check it's all good); bzr commit [01:20] right === haggai [n=halls@credativ.bcnadsl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:41] Riddell: my connection is terrible tonight [01:41] you may need to do this, if i cant get the checkout [01:41] if i stop responding on irc, i've been d/c'd again === apachelogger [n=me@N837P008.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nosrednaekim [n=michael@03-030.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:45] Lure: hello [01:45] ooh yay, it downloaded [01:46] Riddell: did you happen to commit that already? [01:46] Hobbsee: nope [01:47] well, you can use bzr log and see :) [01:47] Riddell: there's no kmplayer in the desktop seed, only kmplayer-konq-plugins [01:47] yeah, that's the one we don't need any more [01:47] ah right === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:59] if we wanted to keep it in main we could put it in supported, but there's no reason to keep it in main [01:59] aaaa === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === asimon [n=asimon@dslb-084-058-253-109.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ScottK2 [n=ScottK@ubuntu/member/scottk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === txwikinger [n=txwiking@sblug/member/txwikinger] has joined #kubuntu-devel === giangy_ [n=giangy@voyager.techtemple.org] has joined #kubuntu-devel === yuriy [n=yuriy@207-172-67-143.c3-0.frm-ubr3.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nosrednaekim [n=michael@03-030.200.popsite.net] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === nosrednaekim [n=michael@02-155.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LongPointyStick [n=user@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tmske [n=thomas@d54C0D13F.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LongPointyStick is now known as Hobbsee [02:09] Riddell: okay...done the merge, attemtping to commit again [02:18] right, committed. === Hobbsee wonders if she needs to push too === ScottK2 recalls mail from PItti saying the archive was frozen for main and on manual for universe. === ScottK2 is now known as ScottK [02:22] Riddell: seeds pushed. [02:23] The new guidance-backends conflicts with the old kde-guidance on some files (e.g. /usr/share/apps/guidance/vesamodes). === neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db44070.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@upstream/dev/RadiantFire] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ScottK posts pro-Kubuntu messages on the Xandros forums... [02:45] mmm...bugger. [02:45] really? === rouzic [n=rouzic@212.145.63.25] has joined #kubuntu-devel === yveslu [n=yves@217.31.69.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nosrednaekim [n=michael@02-155.200.popsite.net] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === yveslu [n=yves@217.31.69.98] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === tmske [n=thomas@d54C0D13F.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:09] ScottK: best not to troll [03:10] Riddell: Didn't troll. Told the honest truth. I started with Xandros and moved to Kubuntu and have been happy. [03:11] Actually, messages was wrong, it was just one. === Lure [n=lure@89-212-19-55.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === fdoving [n=frode@edge.lnix.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato_ [n=jucato@58.69.160.120] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:36] hiya Jucato! [03:37] hi Hobbsee! :) === Jucato is having a slight headache, probably because of a toothache... [03:39] :( === Hobbsee removes Jucato's head. problem solved. [03:39] oooh! that feels better :) [03:43] that new volume dialog box rocks, btw [03:43] kmilo? kewl [03:43] er... kool [03:47] yep === jonasp [i=jonas@i59F722E9.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.97.165] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:51] is autoremoving old kernels planed for gutsy? [03:52] is that advisable? I mean unless it leaves at least one other kernel [03:52] you'd only need one old one [03:53] so that autoremover would leave that old one? [03:53] yup [03:53] though [03:53] maybe just do a check [03:54] for example check at 3rd boot after upgrade whether old kernel has been booted at least once, if not just remove it [03:54] so if one notices strange behaviour with new kernel there is 3 boots time to try with old one [03:56] Hobbsee: in revu mood? [03:56] apachelogger: hmm...not particularly, sorry, my connection is crap tonight [03:56] means downloading anything, even to remote debsign, will be very painful [03:56] ok :) === Hobbsee is getting 99.6% packet loss, it seems. [03:57] that's what mtr is telling me, anyway [03:58] doesn't sound very funny :| [03:59] not overly. i'm ssh'd into a friend's machine, so any time it drops, it doesnt take forever to reconnect to irc [03:59] :) [04:01] also helpful for when i pull the cable [04:01] fortunatley, $friend's machine is abotu 20km away, so the latency, even on a crap day, isnt too bad. [04:06] Riddell: I suspect this is known: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/python-support/kde-guidance/.version', which is also in package kde-guidance-powermanager [04:06] Lure: someone's mentioned it earlier, but no ones' fixed it yet [04:06] 22:24 < hunger> The new guidance-backends conflicts with the old kde-guidance on some files (e.g. /usr/share/apps/guidance/vesamodes). [04:06] maybe there are 2, then. === Hobbsee hasnt downloaded the source, and checked, for obvious reasons === Jucato_ [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:08] Lure: nnarg [04:08] Hobbsee: this is probably caused by recent change of Riddell to split out guidance backend [04:08] Riddell: full log: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24240/ === rouzic est ausente: Ausente por ahora. === Hobbsee beats rouzic_ausente with a big stick. [04:15] Hobbsee: if your connection too broken to update kubuntu-meta still? [04:15] Riddell: already uploaded, and accepted [04:16] Riddell: i've renamed it "the spiderweb" though [04:17] oh, there it is on gutsy-changes, groovy [04:17] :) === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-90156.0x5734b54a.naenxx14.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nosrednaekim [n=michael@05-031.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === giangy_ is now known as giangy [04:32] Lure: your idea sounds good for guidance powermanager. [04:34] Riddell: will do [04:38] Riddell: oh, Lure was a few minutes faster ... thanks Lure [04:41] Lure: it's python-central being strange. I don't understand why it does this now but didn't do it before when we already had two packages from the guidance source package === lucky_lucas [n=lucas@227.107.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #kubuntu-devel === n8k99 [n=n8k99@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:05] wow. my kubuntu devel logs go back to breezy, in december 05 [05:05] no wonder kate dies a little when trying to open them [05:05] Hobbsee: Wow... you must be *old* ;-) [05:05] hunger: *grin* [05:06] i'm not that old === hunger grins at Hobbsee === asimon [n=asimon@dslb-084-059-031-031.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:06] hunger: i've been using linux for a bit under 2 years [05:06] Hobbsee: I'd be surprised if you were older than me. [05:06] actually, that wouldnt ahve been the earliest time i was in kubuntu-devel, either. === Hobbsee is young. === mEDUXa [i=agustin@84.Red-217-127-164.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:07] that's just when i finished school, so actually looked to do some serious dev stuff on kubuntu [05:08] hunger: how old are you? === apacheLAGger [n=me@M3122P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:09] Hobbsee: 32. [05:09] hunger: heh. you win the record for being older, then === Hobbsee hands hunger the walking stick [05:11] Hobbsee: Yes, saw that comming... === ScottK thinks you are both young. [05:13] heh [05:14] hah. my #kubuntu log is 19mb [05:14] #ubuntu is 48.7mb [05:20] Hobbsee: And you did something with your young live.... being a kubuntu dev and all... I just wasted my youth on strange (and nowadays dead) projects:-) [05:20] hunger: heh. my uni is suffering a lot, though [05:21] Hobbsee: So was mine:-) But then you learn lots of stuff here... I profited more from my project stuff than the uni stuff. [05:21] unfortunately, this stuff doesnt correspond so much to my uni stuff [05:21] You are not doing CS? [05:22] nope [05:22] bachelor of technology in optoelectronics [05:23] Hobbsee: I see your problem then... [05:23] Is that electronic in glasses? like MP3 players and stuff ;-) [05:24] lights, lasers, fibre optic cables, etc [05:26] Hobbsee: I see: stuff to attach to a computer only... nothing interesting ;-) [05:26] hehe [05:26] oh it's interesting [05:26] but so's the stuff i'm doing for kubuntu, especially the release stuff. [05:26] so i've got no idea what will happen. === tmske [n=thomas@d54C0D13F.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:33] Hobbsee: I'm sure everything will work out. [05:33] yeah. i hope so :) === manchicken_ [n=manchkn@74-134-94-223.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:33] okay, i know a few of the things that *could* happen, but i dont know which will win. === asimon [n=asimon@dslb-084-059-031-031.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === xRaich[o] 2x [n=raichoo@i5387EE0A.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DaSkreech [n=ubuntu@port0002-abm-static-adsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai [n=mars@AMarseille-156-1-76-194.w90-28.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:56] Riddell: I think yazpp will be in good shape after the next upload. It's close now. === tmske [n=thomas@d54C0D13F.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:59] ScottK: asimon is here if you need to poke him :) === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.97.165] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:01] ScottK: I'll upload a fixed version later, thanks for your review. [06:03] anyone ever saw a properly made tarball from kdevelop? === apacheLAGger is now known as apachelogger === nosrednaekim [n=michael@04-133.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nosrednaekim [n=michael@04-133.200.popsite.net] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [06:04] is the kubuntu website available in bzr? I forgot... === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-049-159.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:05] yes [06:05] https://code.launchpad.net/kubuntu-website/ [06:06] oh, just found it [06:06] my main branch [06:06] asimon: You're welcome. Thanks for contributing. === meven [n=meven@ARennes-357-1-157-20.w90-12.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:07] why isn't the kubuntu-website (or a branch of it) available for Kubuntu members to hack? [06:10] Riddell: I think kubuntu members are a reliable sort, and the kubuntu website is along with k-d-s more-or-less the stuff we do, so I see no reason in preventing ourselves from commiting to it [06:11] who can get to it now? [06:12] mhb: well it is, branch away and I'll merge when it's good [06:12] mhb: but we should get the whole kubuntu-website spec thing moving [06:14] Riddell: I agree, that's why I suggested that [06:14] asimon: I'm good. I'm on my way out the door. I'll leave an advocating comment later today if someone else doesn't get it first. [06:15] Riddell: having a branch all members can commit to may speed up the innovation flow, even if the page becomes a bit unstable at first [06:17] kwwii, nixternal: you two seem to have branches for kubuntu website. I'm thinking perhaps a single branch we all (members and other interested people) could commit to would be nice. What do you think? [06:18] that is up to the big man :) don't know why I would have 2 branches...should be just one === marseillai_ [n=mars@AMarseille-156-1-166-31.w90-37.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:18] but then again, I am a bzr dummy === marseillai_ is now known as marseillai === seele [i=seele@nayuki.caffeine.nu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:24] Riddell: in order to get things moving, I'd suggest a shared branch for the ~kubuntu-website team. Kubuntu Members should be a part of that team so they can hack on it. (I hope indirect teams have access to the code.) [06:24] Riddell: do you know what that team is for? It currently has only Matthew Nuzum listed. [06:25] mhb: which team? [06:25] mhb: only Canonical employees can have access to the "official" one [06:25] mhb: shared branch doesn't change anything much since it still needs to be merged in manually by me (only person with access to the server) === Bent [n=bent@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:26] Riddell: true [06:26] the possibilities with cdbs are endless [06:27] Riddell: but I still think that if we open up the code this way, we will get more code [06:27] ooh, this debate again? [06:28] no, not this one [06:28] the other one :o) [06:28] haha [06:28] nice comeback there mhb :) [06:28] but you need to remeber one thing mhb... [06:28] !hobbsee [06:28] I phear the stick so shhhhh [06:29] Hobbsee: okay, I'll put it in a different way [06:29] differnt topic, same subject. [06:29] fun stuff [06:30] mhb: what i've learned about this is that if you can do it in a way that's not going to hurt canonical, they'll probably say yes. [06:30] current situation: 1 jr (you can say stable) branch, 4 other branches for individuals [06:30] but you might have to push a bit. [06:30] i dunno how you apply that to a website, though [06:30] better solution: 1 jr branch, 1 trunk branch [06:31] I will agree that is a better solution instead of having a bunch of personal branches [06:31] people have access to the trunk branch, but not the server itself [06:31] once the code is well and approved, jr branch merges and jr publishes it on the website [06:31] just give access to ~kubuntu-members like with k-d-s [06:33] Hobbsee: I'm just talking about the code, not the site admin rights [06:33] mhb: true that. i was talking in the general case [06:34] mhb: oh, the other thing i've learned is that canonical may well want input from the community, but may not be asking for it. [06:34] dunno if any of that's relevant - but it may help in this, or future tsuff. [06:34] Hobbsee: another thing I learned, is that Canonical will do secret things w/o community cooperation, release it, and then want that cooperation ;) === DaSkreech wants a factoid :-) [06:35] and those secret things are to community projects [06:35] nixternal: in some cases, yeah [06:35] DaSkreech: you can have mine :) [06:36] I think as far as I'll go is a user :) [06:37] !nixternal [06:37] Oh no! The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived! [06:37] that has Hobbsee's name written all over it [06:37] hehe [06:37] !-nixternal [06:37] nixternal has no aliases - added by Hobbsee on 2007-05-31 09:32:53 === Hobbsee looks around innocently [06:37] :D [06:37] anything with "pointy" in it, well that is Hobbsee's fault [06:37] ahhh [06:37] hah === Hobbsee is NOT POINTY [06:37] Jucato: you just snitched! [06:37] !hobbsee [06:37] I phear the stick so shhhhh [06:37] hahaha === Jucato phears for his life [06:38] !-hobbsee [06:38] hobbsee has no aliases - added by ompaul on 2007-05-10 14:42:04 [06:38] ooh, ompaul hey? [06:38] heh :) [06:38] thanks Jucato for teaching me how to find out who did what [06:38] heheh let's all thank Seveas for that :D [06:39] yeah seveas is great :) [06:39] Riddell: is your branch the best for branching off or is one of kwwii's better? [06:40] Riddell: for the "unstable" kubuntu website branch [06:40] mhb: my main one is the one that's in use, the rest are merged or dead [06:40] okay, great [06:40] mhb: main is actually a mirror of the branch at http://kubuntu.org [06:40] you can also just branch directly from there [06:41] Riddell: Format for http://kubuntu.org/.bzr/ is deprecated - please use 'bzr upgrade' to get better performance [06:42] Riddell: you might know that [06:42] the server is still on breezy [06:45] Riddell: is is okay to upgrade the branch? [06:45] Riddell: won't you have trouble merging it later? [06:47] mhb: not sure actually [06:47] I'd recommend not upgrading incase it does cause problems [06:47] Riddell: okay [06:53] oh Hobbsee, you have everyone and their mother doing the !nixternal thing :) [06:53] nixternal: *grin* [06:53] surely not... [06:53] hahaha, the chicagoans are going nuts with it === Hobbsee should %deleditor nixternal === nixternal isn't an editor, so it would return the "I am not a smart bot" thing [06:55] Riddell: Do you have a IRL contact for Mez? === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Dinofly [n=dinofly@mar92-13-88-165-255-149.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === meven_ [n=meven@ARennes-357-1-158-240.w90-12.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:10] Riddell: pushed, https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-website/trunk [07:10] Riddell: I'll just add the Experimental label and some necessary information [07:24] Riddell: one more thing - I remember a page which was set up for the experiments on kubuntu.org artwork. Does that server/page still exist? Can we tweak it so that it updates from the "trunk" bzr branch? [07:24] night all [07:24] Hobbsee: nighty night [07:25] Night Hobbsee [07:25] :( [07:25] * :) [07:27] DaSkreech: whois thekatapult.org.uk has a postal address [07:27] Riddell: thanks [07:27] mhb: I don't remember such a page [07:28] no? hmm... ryanakca, do you remember? [07:29] how open do we want to be about creating a new look for kubuntu.org? [07:30] I remember people posting e-mails with suggestions for k.org [07:31] hmm, that question is probably for kwwii, as he is the artwork superman === mhb is silent [07:32] he already has a possible design [07:33] trying to remember where it is [07:34] Looks like Fedora 8 will ship with KDE4 [07:36] like most others I think they'll end up having to wait and see how things are closer to the time === nosrednaekim [n=michael@01-086.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:37] yeah theyship like 5 days after the proposed debut of KDE4 [07:39] lol [07:39] makes ultimate sense to me :P [07:39] AFK [07:39] yeah.... KDE4 is going to be released a couple days after gutsy. What are you going to use? [07:40] kde 3 with 4 available [07:40] KDE3 until release and then as usual, kubuntu.org repository, is my guess [07:40] ah.. ok. makes sense. [07:41] Riddell: was there still any idea about kde4 enabled iso ? [07:41] Tm_T: sure, we'll do that when 4.0 is out [07:41] lovely [07:42] cool. from what i've seen, kubuntu is one of the top distros for quickly delivering kde4. (only gentoo being faster) [07:43] gentoo is faster? [07:43] ah right, they got stuff available before release, those cheaters [07:43] quicker at getting the releases since its sourcebased [07:43] doesn't matter === DaSkreech doesn't see kubuntu shipping with KDE4 default until 8.10 [07:43] Unless of course that's LTS :) [07:44] DaSkreech: looks like it [07:44] then it's futrther [07:44] wow.. really? that long? === TheInfinity [n=TheInfin@p508F10A4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:44] nosrednaekim: note by default [07:44] why,because guidance has to be remade? [07:44] having it as an option will come earlier [07:45] maybe having two ISOs one with KDE4 and one with KDEOld [07:45] With KDEold being the blessed one :) [07:45] KDE4 is really young. Most apps won't make the jump [07:45] right. [07:45] nosrednaekim: KDE release sources are distributed before release to packagers IIRC so if Gentoo wait release, they are no faster than other distros [07:46] Tm_T: ok. [07:47] I'm just curious, is there a kdevelop for KDE4 that will run in KDE3? [07:49] nosrednaekim: you use kdevelop3, but you set it to use kde4 source directories and qt4 === nixternal grabs the link [07:50] http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Set_up_KDE_4_for_development#KDevelop [07:50] nixternal: ah ok.. thanks. [07:50] note that this tutorial requires you have have kde4 built according to the kde4 guidelines [07:51] nixternal: I have the kubuntu package. is that good enough? [07:51] unfortunately it isn't [07:51] http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4 [07:51] that is how you want to build out kde4 for development [07:52] nixternal: well... i'm glad a have a dual core processor then :-D [07:52] hehe, it isn't to bad, just open up konsole and let it go [07:52] it isn't super intensive..I was able to compile and build accordingly [07:53] I'm tempted to say "if you can do it......" lol, but I don't know.;) [07:54] it isn't all that difficult actually...you just need to read the directions thoroughly [07:55] ok. [07:55] my only thing, is the .bashrc example source they show that you need to add to your new kde-devel user, the cmakekde section should add the -GKdevelop to the cmake line, that way there when you get kdevelop setup, you don't have to rebuild everything [07:55] i'll try. thanks. [07:56] ok. thanks for the tip. === nosrednaekim [n=michael@01-086.200.popsite.net] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === hunger [n=tobias@p54A7256A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rbrunhuber [n=rbrunhub@highway.mvi.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Knightlust [n=Dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #kubuntu-devel === n8k99 [n=n8k99@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tmske [n=thomas@d54C0D13F.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:19] The user listing in kdm looks really ugly. How can I get rid of it again? [08:20] how did you get the user listing? [08:20] heh, I guess if you knew the answer to that, then you would be able to get rid of it I guess :) [08:21] it was in today's update [08:21] ahhhhh [08:21] nixternal: Today's update... [08:21] shows you that I have yet turned on the gutsy box === nixternal fires it up [08:23] nixternal: are you going to do a tribe 1 page? [08:24] Riddell: funny you should ask :) people from Ubuntu and Xubuntu just asked me the same, and how to do it [08:24] I am working locally, as to avoide the /. and digg junk for the moment [08:24] they seem to enjoy making it hard for me to edit the wiki pages when they post their stories [08:24] doesn't Ubuntu know how to do it? [08:25] well the marketing crowd does it, and they cut the worst non-default looking screenshots known to man [08:25] then again, I think they dislike the Kubuntu pages looking better :) [08:26] hunger: there's no easy way to turn it off, it's part of the theme. if we keep the user list we should probably have a second theme available without it [08:27] that makes sense [08:27]